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Badabing
10-05-2014, 05:30 PM
We're back to hoping a bunch of loanees and players on the way out the door to perform in the biggest games for a long time. I'm not sure how you motivate players who look like they have been on the beach for the past 2 weeks and quite frankly probably resent working "overtime" over the next few weeks. Butcher and Malpas have their work cut out. I know it goes against the grain for Rod but the only way I can see us getting anything out of these impostors would be to offer sizeable win bonuses. I personally would find it galling to reward these clowns but I'm not sure how else we get something out of them.

Going down is a financial disaster and even though they don't deserve it Rod may be wise to make it worth their while. To that end even a season ticket holder I'd be happy to pay for my ticket to the play off games.

HibeeDave
10-05-2014, 05:39 PM
I feel Rid will be of the opinion that there will be more revenue in the championship next season with bumper home crowds against hertz, gers and Dunfermline and more focus from Sky than the premiership will get

hibsbollah
10-05-2014, 05:43 PM
I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone :dunno: tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.

Nailrod
10-05-2014, 05:47 PM
I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone :dunno: tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.IF my Auntie had baws she'd be my uncle...

Onceinawhile
10-05-2014, 05:49 PM
I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone :dunno: tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.

Fairly sure rangers will boycott and We've seen recently that a derby isn't always a big draw.

Hibercelona
10-05-2014, 05:53 PM
I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone :dunno: tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.

Relegation is a total disaster. I really hope we don't get to the point where we're trying rationalize it in some way.

Pete
10-05-2014, 05:56 PM
Relegation is a total disaster. I really hope we don't get to the point where we're trying rationalize it in some way.

Why would it be a "total disaster"?

The man has given reasons why he thinks it might not be...can you put some meat on the bones of your comment?

Ronniekirk
10-05-2014, 05:59 PM
I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone :dunno: tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.

But the key is your word if .If we get out the championship .If we don't and hear7s and Sevco do and we don't ? The problem just now is T B is not filling anyone with any confidence he knows what he is doing Kept referring to log jams and if one log moves the others will .So maybe he is thinking of hiring a Lumberjack .
His three loanees have really not done a lot so you are left wondering apart from the first few games when he picked up some points what has he done to make us believe he can take us forward ..
His substitutions compared to Killie just kept giving them the edge and he seemed unable to get the team a change of shape that would allow us to do anything different than aimless punts forward ..
But will be there for second leg of play off just in case

Beefster
10-05-2014, 06:03 PM
Why would it be a "total disaster"?

The man has given reasons why he thinks it might not be...can you put some meat on the bones of your comment?

We'd lose out on most TV money and at least £400k in league prize money. Rangers games would compensate for the loss of Celtic games and 2 Hearts home games might make a large chunk of the lost prize money back. Overall, attendances will likely drop though.

However, football isn't just about money. We'll struggle to attract the players we need in the summer. There's also the fact that Hibs won't be playing in the top division in the country and we might not get back at the first opportunity.

I'd rather we didn't start dealing with the situation by pretending that relegation might actually not be that bad after all.

WhileTheChief..
10-05-2014, 06:03 PM
Relegation is a total disaster. I really hope we don't get to the point where we're trying rationalize it in some way.

Totally agree. Give it a week or 2 and there will be plenty on here saying they're looking forward to games against hearts and rangers.

Waxy
10-05-2014, 06:05 PM
Disaster. If we go down we could be down for years and never fully recover. Like Dundee.

The Harp
10-05-2014, 06:11 PM
Can't understand how some are thinking relegation may not be the bad with the Yams being down there and whatever that Govan mob are called these days (they'll always be the Huns to me).
As far as I'm concerned relegation could be a possible death knell for Hibs because it's unlikely, with the management set up we have, that we'd get back up any time soon. Hopefully, it won't come to that.

weonlywon6-2
10-05-2014, 06:15 PM
Why would it be a "total disaster"?

The man has given reasons why he thinks it might not be...can you put some meat on the bones of your comment?

Attracting players will be hard enough without being in the championship.
Gers and jambos are there because of money issues,we would be there cause we are rubbish,if thats not a disaster then what is??

DaveF
10-05-2014, 06:16 PM
Why would it be a "total disaster"?

The man has given reasons why he thinks it might not be...can you put some meat on the bones of your comment?

We struggle to break even as we are in the SPFL. Relegation and the good possibility of not returning at the 1st attempt would IMO be financial disaster.

Craig_in_Prague
10-05-2014, 06:17 PM
Can we sell EM at all? much could we get?
Sell it if possible and sign footballers.

Glory Lurker
10-05-2014, 06:18 PM
We'd lose out on most TV money and at least £400k in league prize money. Rangers games would compensate for the loss of Celtic games and 2 Hearts home games might make a large chunk of the lost prize money back. Overall, attendances will likely drop though.

However, football isn't just about money. We'll struggle to attract the players we need in the summer. There's also the fact that Hibs won't be playing in the top division in the country and we might not get back at the first opportunity.

I'd rather we didn't start dealing with the situation by pretending that relegation might actually not be that bad after all.


:agree:

Pete
10-05-2014, 06:25 PM
We would definitely have to start promoting youth. I don't know if that would be a good or a bad thing right now.

Of course relegation wouldn't be good but talk of the club never recovering is OTT.

Onion
10-05-2014, 06:25 PM
Can't understand how some are thinking relegation may not be the bad with the Yams being down there and whatever that Govan mob are called these days (they'll always be the Huns to me).
As far as I'm concerned relegation could be a possible death knell for Hibs because it's unlikely, with the management set up we have, that we'd get back up any time soon. Hopefully, it won't come to that.

Even Petrie must realise that this will be no "Adventure". Last time, gates held up well, we had a fantastic team incl sauzee, Latas, Mcleish etc and won the league at a canter. It was a season to remember.

This time it would be an unmitigated disaster. IMO a lot of Hibs fans would abandon the club, gates would be down to 5-6000 and we'd have no chance of getting out of the league in 1 season. Petrie/Farmer would not invest a penny to try.

It's a Right Royal ****-up by Butcher and Petrie. They must be held to account for this, when its all over.

GreenLake
10-05-2014, 06:26 PM
We need to stay up and rebuild this squad from the inside out in the summer and next two seasons.

There is only one good outcome from going down into the Championship so I don't want it to happen.

The one good outcome would be us Champions, THE rangers second losing the playoff then entering admin2.

I'll be cheering for that if we go down, but only if.

Onion
10-05-2014, 06:28 PM
Can we sell EM at all? much could we get?
Sell it if possible and sign footballers.

Sell ER for flats ? Maybe we can ask Alex Salmon to speak to the SPFL and get us dispensation from relegation this season - a quick restructure ?

wookie70
10-05-2014, 06:35 PM
I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone :dunno: tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.

The prize money is substantially less. I imagine our average gate would hold up reasonably well if we were winning most weeks. I'm not sure we would though given the way we are finishing the season. Season ticket sales will be hit and if we find ourselves 3rd or 4th then the crowds could drop off badly. We saw at the last Derby that playing Hearts doesn't mean a full house. If we say that we will lose £0.5M on prizemoney then that would be 20K on the gate at £25 a head. Hearts and Rangers help if we are relegated but then you miss out on the Celtic games. You only win two games against Hearts net. If recent history is used that would mean an extra 8K tickets(Difference between recent Hearts and Partick T home games x2) At best I think we would be worse off by about £300K but that would be looking at a glass half full imo. If we don't win games in the lower division then it would be fortunes less.

Another imponderable is on whether we try to buy ourselves out of the league. It worked with McLeish but I doubt it would with The Rangers and Hearts in the same league.

Petrie/Butcher made a massive mistake not hitting the gamble button in the January window. Speculate to accumulate then and it may have been a net gain. Failure to invest may cost us millions and years on the scrapheap.

In summing up I think it will cost us fortunes as my guess will be we won't put a credible fight for promotion. Crowds will then plummet and won't have the foundation of a large season ticket base. As has been said by another poster I would offer a very good bonus to the players for staying up. It sticks in the craw but we have to start realising that sometimes you have to spend to make or protect income.
SPL
1: £2,405,514 (13.39%, -£314,487)
2: £1,717,454 (9.56%, -£682,546)
3: £1,460,555 (8.13%, -£59,446)
4: £1,288,629 (7.17%, -£71,371)
5: £1,202,757 (6.7%, -£77,243)
6: £1,116,884 (6.22%, -£83,116)
7: £1,056,701 (5.88%, -£63,299)
8: £1,005,142 (5.6%, -£34,858)
9: £987,895 (5.5%, +£27,895)
10: £902,023 (5.02%, +£22,023)
11: £816,150 (4.54%, +£16,150)
12: £730,277 (4.07%, +£10,277)
First Division
1: £386,248 (2.15%, +£318,248)
2: £343,132 (1.91%, +£276,132)
3: £300,016 (1.67%, +£234,016)
4: £256,900 (1.43%, +£191,900)
5: £240,731 (1.34%, +£176,731)
6: £188,633 (1.05%, +£126,633)
7: £172,464 (0.96%, +£111,464)
8: £154,499 (0.86%, +£94,499)
9: £138,331 (0.77%, +£79,331)
10: £120,366 (0.67%, +£63,366)

Famous Fiver
10-05-2014, 06:55 PM
If we are relegated sell East Mains, train in Holyrood Park and invest the money saved in the team.

hibsbollah
10-05-2014, 06:56 PM
The prize money is substantially less. I imagine our average gate would hold up reasonably well if we were winning most weeks. I'm not sure we would though given the way we are finishing the season. Season ticket sales will be hit and if we find ourselves 3rd or 4th then the crowds could drop off badly. We saw at the last Derby that playing Hearts doesn't mean a full house. If we say that we will lose £0.5M on prizemoney then that would be 20K on the gate at £25 a head. Hearts and Rangers help if we are relegated but then you miss out on the Celtic games. You only win two games against Hearts net. If recent history is used that would mean an extra 8K tickets(Difference between recent Hearts and Partick T home games x2) At best I think we would be worse off by about £300K but that would be looking at a glass half full imo. If we don't win games in the lower division then it would be fortunes less.

Another imponderable is on whether we try to buy ourselves out of the league. It worked with McLeish but I doubt it would with The Rangers and Hearts in the same league.

Petrie/Butcher made a massive mistake not hitting the gamble button in the January window. Speculate to accumulate then and it may have been a net gain. Failure to invest may cost us millions and years on the scrapheap.

In summing up I think it will cost us fortunes as my guess will be we won't put a credible fight for promotion. Crowds will then plummet and won't have the foundation of a large season ticket base. As has been said by another poster I would offer a very good bonus to the players for staying up. It sticks in the craw but we have to start realising that sometimes you have to spend to make or protect income.
SPL
1: £2,405,514 (13.39%, -£314,487)
2: £1,717,454 (9.56%, -£682,546)
3: £1,460,555 (8.13%, -£59,446)
4: £1,288,629 (7.17%, -£71,371)
5: £1,202,757 (6.7%, -£77,243)
6: £1,116,884 (6.22%, -£83,116)
7: £1,056,701 (5.88%, -£63,299)
8: £1,005,142 (5.6%, -£34,858)
9: £987,895 (5.5%, +£27,895)
10: £902,023 (5.02%, +£22,023)
11: £816,150 (4.54%, +£16,150)
12: £730,277 (4.07%, +£10,277)
First Division
1: £386,248 (2.15%, +£318,248)
2: £343,132 (1.91%, +£276,132)
3: £300,016 (1.67%, +£234,016)
4: £256,900 (1.43%, +£191,900)
5: £240,731 (1.34%, +£176,731)
6: £188,633 (1.05%, +£126,633)
7: £172,464 (0.96%, +£111,464)
8: £154,499 (0.86%, +£94,499)
9: £138,331 (0.77%, +£79,331)
10: £120,366 (0.67%, +£63,366)

Well that at least gives some facts, cheers.

Im not saying it would be great to be relegated. I just want to how much it would cost, if we went straight back up again, because the figures to my knowledge have never been put out there.

I'm surprised to be getting mocked for posing the question :dunno:

jacomo
10-05-2014, 07:00 PM
If we are relegated sell East Mains, train in Holyrood Park and invest the money saved in the team.

Great long term plan there.

Hibercelona
10-05-2014, 07:09 PM
If we go down, we won't be getting straight back up again. With ST sales at such a low and a huge reduction in walk up fans, we won't have the cash available to replace what we already have.

It will be nothing like the last time we went down.

hibsbollah
10-05-2014, 07:13 PM
If we go down, we won't be getting straight back up again. With ST sales at such a low and a huge reduction in walk up fans, we won't have the cash available to replace what we already have.

It will be nothing like the last time we went down.

This is just the kind of post that pisses me right off.
1. You dont KNOW whether we'd stay down or not.
2. You don't KNOW what the fall in attendances would be
3. Hence you dont know what the income fall would be.

So unless you're willing to give some facts or evidence its just hot, negative air.

Hibercelona
10-05-2014, 07:18 PM
This is just the kind of post that pisses me right off.
1. You dont KNOW whether we'd stay down or not.
2. You don't KNOW what the fall in attendances would be
3. Hence you dont know what the income fall would be.

So unless you're willing to give some facts or evidence its just hot, negative air.

But you're talking about relegation as if we'll just come straight back up again. What facts do you base that on?

I KNOW that current ST sales are going very poorly. I also KNOW that because currently ST sales are going very poorly, we won't be able to replace much of what we have. Which is how I KNOW that walk up attendances will also be reduced.

Sometimes you only need to know what 1 fact is in order to work out the other facts. Simply by using logic.

Pete
10-05-2014, 07:21 PM
But you're talking about relegation as if we'll just come straight back up again. What facts do you base that on?

I KNOW that current ST sales are going very poorly. I also KNOW that because currently ST sales are going very poorly, we won't be able to replace much of what we have. Which is how I KNOW that walk up attendances will also be reduced.

Sometimes you only need to know what 1 fact is in order to work out the other facts. Simply by using logic.

Maybe people are waiting to see what division we will be in before they buy. I am.

Michael
10-05-2014, 07:24 PM
If we are relegated sell East Mains, train in Holyrood Park and invest the money saved in the team.

Why don't you sell your house, live in a cardboard box and invest the money saved in fine dining?

Hibercelona
10-05-2014, 07:24 PM
Maybe people are waiting to see what division we will be in before they buy. I am.

Indeed. But if we end up in the championship, why would people suddenly decide to buy them?

If the sales are poor now, how would they suddenly improve if we end up in the championship?

Famous Fiver
10-05-2014, 07:26 PM
Jacomseven

I think short term is a bit more important than the long term, given present situation. What has East Mains brought to the table? Real Madrid sold their training ground and are doing not too badly.

Michael
10-05-2014, 07:28 PM
Jacomseven

I think short term is a bit more important than the long term, given present situation. What has East Mains brought to the table? Real Madrid sold their training ground and are doing not too badly.

Real Madrid are a financial disaster waiting to happen.

Pete
10-05-2014, 07:29 PM
Indeed. But if we end up in the championship, why would people suddenly decide to buy them?

If the sales are poor now, how would they suddenly improve if we end up in the championship?

Because we have a hard-core that will buy regardless of the division.

It's really about how much they will go down. You'd be a mug to pay £400 for something that you might get for £325 a few weeks later. The seats are held until the end of may so theres no panic.

Speedy
10-05-2014, 07:29 PM
Can't understand how some are thinking relegation may not be the bad with the Yams being down there and whatever that Govan mob are called these days (they'll always be the Huns to me).
As far as I'm concerned relegation could be a possible death knell for Hibs because it's unlikely, with the management set up we have, that we'd get back up any time soon. Hopefully, it won't come to that.

Some people wanted bottom 6 rather than top 6 not that long ago.

People are weird.

Hibercelona
10-05-2014, 07:31 PM
Because we have a hard-core that will buy regardless of the division.

It's really about how much they will go down. You'd be a mug to pay £400 for something that you might get for £325 a few weeks later. The seats are held until the end of may so theres no panic.

The club can't do that though.

They can't charge fans £400 right now, then decide that they're going to reduce their prices for everybody else if the championship is confirmed.

Shields Hibee
10-05-2014, 07:32 PM
We've not heard anyone say how many ST's have been sold up to now though I along with the others I go with have renewed out of habit & hope more than anything.

Last time we went down we got back up because we had decent players, this time i'm not sure whether it would happen & whether we'd get big gates against Sevco & the mob from Gorgie is debatable.

If I was RP, I'd be offering sizable bonuses to that lot to stay up & hope it motivates them to get the right result over the 2 legs.

hibsbollah
10-05-2014, 07:34 PM
Sometimes you only need to know what 1 fact is in order to work out the other facts. Simply by using logic.

Brilliant. So im asking for some quantification of how relegation would affect us financially and why it would necessarily be a disaster, and your answer is a) cos so far we haven't sold that many season tickets as yet four months before the new season starts. Cheers for the 'logic' :aok:

Hibercelona
10-05-2014, 07:36 PM
Brilliant. So im asking for some quantification of how relegation would affect us financially and why it would necessarily be a disaster, and your answer is a) cos so far we haven't sold that many season tickets as yet four months before the new season starts. Cheers for the 'logic' :aok:

I'm not going to waste my time arguing this point with you. You'll see for yourself as it all unfolds.

Pete
10-05-2014, 07:37 PM
The club can't do that though.

They can't charge fans £400 right now, then decide that they're going to reduce their prices for everybody else if the championship is confirmed.

They can offer partial refunds surely?

Walk-up prices will go down so surely season tickets will have to as well. People aren't going to buy a season ticket for four ton if it's cheaper to simply walk up every game.

hibsbollah
10-05-2014, 07:38 PM
I'm not going to waste my time arguing this point with you. You'll see for yourself as it all unfolds.

You're not 'arguing the point' at all.

emerald green
10-05-2014, 07:39 PM
We would definitely have to start promoting youth. I don't know if that would be a good or a bad thing right now.

Of course relegation wouldn't be good but talk of the club never recovering is OTT.

How do you know it's OTT? What do you base that on? Have a look at some huge clubs (much bigger than Hibs) who were relegated from the top flight in England. Leeds United, Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, the Bristol clubs, just off the top of my head. See how long they have languished in the lower leagues, with the consequent financial and reputational damage to these clubs. Surely people are not going to try to start putting a positive spin on getting relegated now. Jeez.

Sir David Gray
10-05-2014, 07:43 PM
I've heard so many times that 'relegation would be a financial disaster', but ive not had this quantified or qualified by anyone :dunno: tv deal relative peanuts anyway, attendances might hold up, bumper gates vs Hearts and Rangers...IF we manage to get out of the championship quickly it might not be a total disaster.

How do you suppose we manage to get out quickly?

We don't have the money to throw at the problem like we had in 1998 when we last went down and brought in the likes of Paatelainen, Sauzee and Latapy. If it's actually possible, our squad is likely to be even weaker than it is just now.

With Hearts and Sevco in the league next year, yes we will have a few home matches with high attendances but what's going to happen the season after that if they both get promoted and we're stuck playing the likes of Alloa and Queen of the South every other week.

If we go down, I don't believe that we are in any way equipped to come back up any time soon and staying in the Championship for two or three years would cripple the club financially.

Shields Hibee
10-05-2014, 07:45 PM
I'd be surprised if the club reduced the prices of ST's but they may extend the payment scheme long into the summer & hope that entices people to sign up.

I know someone who went to Sunderland ticket office & demanded to have a refund when they were relegated last time only to be told "we dont sell season tickets based on the league we'll be in, we sell for you to come & watch the team on the park!" No doubt Hibs will use a line such as "back Butcher's boys back to the big time by buying your ST now" or something like that.

Pete
10-05-2014, 07:45 PM
How do you know it's OTT? What do you base that on? Have a look at some huge clubs (much bigger than Hibs) who were relegated from the top flight in England. Leeds United, Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, the Bristol clubs, just off the top of my head. See how long they have languished in the lower leagues, with the consequent financial and reputational damage to these clubs. Surely people are not going to try to start putting a positive spin on getting relegated now. Jeez.

Why don't you come back with some Scottish examples or similar sized clubs within a similar structure.

You can't make comparisons with English clubs.

HH81
10-05-2014, 07:49 PM
I am convinced Hibs want an Edinburgh derby next season.

emerald green
10-05-2014, 07:59 PM
Why don't you come back with some Scottish examples or similar sized clubs within a similar structure.

You can't make comparisons with English clubs.

You seem to have missed the point. I'm not making comparisons with English clubs. I'm using them as examples to make the point that relegation would be a disaster for Hibs, and what the consequences of being relegated can be. What decent player would want to sign for Hibs and play in that league? There will be no Sauzee or Latapy to the rescue this time I wouldn't have thought. The often quoted example of a "big" Scottish club going down, and staying down, is Dundee FC. Heart of Midlothian went down in the late 70s and stayed down for two seasons and there was no Rangers down there then. If Hibs go down, they could be down for maybe three or four seasons IMO. Do you think it would be a good idea to be relegated? Ask the players, manager and directors of HFC if they think it would be a good thing for the club.

hibsbollah
10-05-2014, 09:27 PM
How do you know it's OTT? What do you base that on? Have a look at some huge clubs (much bigger than Hibs) who were relegated from the top flight in England. Leeds United, Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday, the Bristol clubs, just off the top of my head. See how long they have languished in the lower leagues, with the consequent financial and reputational damage to these clubs. Surely people are not going to try to start putting a positive spin on getting relegated now. Jeez.
Its not about putting a 'positive spin' on it. I'm just questioning the 'disaster' and 'the club might never recover' chat. And although the English comparison isn't that helpful because of the different rewards on offer, I can tell you that my cousins are Sheffield Wednesday season ticket holder s and yeah, theyd rather be playing in the top league, but they still get big crowds and they're enjoying attending games as much as ever. Being stuck in the lower league hasnt 'killed them as a club', to borrow a phrase.

Sammy7nil
11-05-2014, 08:54 AM
We're back to hoping a bunch of loanees and players on the way out the door to perform in the biggest games for a long time. I'm not sure how you motivate players who look like they have been on the beach for the past 2 weeks and quite frankly probably resent working "overtime" over the next few weeks. Butcher and Malpas have their work cut out. I know it goes against the grain for Rod but the only way I can see us getting anything out of these impostors would be to offer sizeable win bonuses. I personally would find it galling to reward these clowns but I'm not sure how else we get something out of them.

Going down is a financial disaster and even though they don't deserve it Rod may be wise to make it worth their while. To that end even a season ticket holder I'd be happy to pay for my ticket to the play off games.

I agree but it sticks in the throat to reward a season of failure but we simply have to. At least 50% of the team do not give a hoot what happens to Hibs or what league we are in next season.

emerald green
11-05-2014, 11:29 AM
Its not about putting a 'positive spin' on it. I'm just questioning the 'disaster' and 'the club might never recover' chat. And although the English comparison isn't that helpful because of the different rewards on offer, I can tell you that my cousins are Sheffield Wednesday season ticket holder s and yeah, theyd rather be playing in the top league, but they still get big crowds and they're enjoying attending games as much as ever. Being stuck in the lower league hasnt 'killed them as a club', to borrow a phrase.

As I said in my earlier post, I am not making comparisons with English clubs. Read my post again. I'm not sure I fully understand your point about "the English comparison isn't that helpful because of the different rewards on offer". I note your cousins support Wednesday & would rather be playing in the top league. Same her as far as Hibs are concerned. How long have SW been out of the top league now? I would guess their crowds are nowhere near as big as they would be if they were in the Premiership, and the financial knock-on effect. Do you think Hibs would survive in its present format if we were out of the SPFL for as long as Wednesday have been out of the premiership?

NOLA
11-05-2014, 11:31 AM
We support the club no matter what league we play in, for sure we want to be in the top league but being in the championship isn't going to kill us. I'm a hibs fan, not just a hibs fan cause we play in the top league ;)

emerald green
11-05-2014, 11:37 AM
We support the club no matter what league we play in, for sure we want to be in the top league but being in the championship isn't going to kill us. I'm a hibs fan, not just a hibs fan cause we play in the top league ;)

We don't all support the club, "no matter what league we play" in I'm afraid. Relegation often means lower attendances. Before anyone says it, yes we will play HOMFC & Huns but possibly only for one season if they both get promoted. Yes, we got good crowds last time we went down, but that was simply because we were winning most weeks due to Sauzee, Latapy, Mixu, Zitelli etc coming to the rescue. It aint gonna happen next time.