Clarkson and the N Word

[Phil D. Rolls]

Seems like a bit of nasty stirring to me. He didn't say the word, in fact he went out of his way to avoid saying it, and then it wasn't even broadcast.

Doesn't help anybody to make an issue out of this.

[marinello59]

I quite liked James May's defence.
''Jeremy Clarkson is not a racist. He is a monumental bellend.''

[easty]

I dont see why he even should have apologised, he didnt say the word he was accused of saying.

He's a fud though.

Love Stewart Lee's Top Gear routine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc

[lapsedhibee]

Seems like a bit of nasty stirring to me. He didn't say the word, in fact he went out of his way to avoid saying it, and then it wasn't even broadcast.

Doesn't help anybody to make an issue out of this.

I think venturing as far as the first line of "eeny meeny miney mo" probably makes you a racist in the current climate. It's a 'racist rhyme'. I wouldn't be surprised if mumbling the expression "teeny weeny" was banned quite soon, in case anyone mishears it as eeny meeny.

If LG's ever caught on camera in a pub choosing which of two equally offensive songs he prefers - say, the FTB and The Nose ditties - the meeja will probably explode.

[easty]

I think venturing as far as the first line of "eeny meeny miney mo" probably makes you a racist in the current climate. It's a 'racist rhyme'. I wouldn't be surprised if mumbling the expression "teeny weeny" was banned quite soon, in case anyone mishears it as eeny meeny.

If LG's ever caught on camera in a pub choosing which of two equally offensive songs he prefers - say, the FTB and The Nose ditties - the meeja will probably explode.

Ruining thousands of people across the countries chances of covering Timmy Mallet on karaoke on a Friday night. :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

I think we're getting close to appointing someone to be head of the Thought Police. I'm away to check that none of my old reggae albums have anything sexist on them. I have to confess now that I listened to Judge Dread, but hit the mute button when anything dodgy was about to be sung.

I can only imagine how Randy Newman is feeling right now. Apparently you can't say the word "Redkneck" in America now, in case you offend the KKK.

I miss the old days when you could call Bernard Manning a fat racist get. It's all so confusing now.

[Judas Iscariot]

Pathetic stuff from the Daily Mail, I like Clarkson, hopefully he takes them to the cleaners

[Beefster]

I think venturing as far as the first line of "eeny meeny miney mo" probably makes you a racist in the current climate. It's a 'racist rhyme'.

https://warosu.org/data/fa/img/0081/60/1398663061992.jpg

Given that the majority of kids in the country use a variant to make a choice....


Pathetic stuff from the Daily Mail, I like Clarkson, hopefully he takes them to the cleaners

Daily Mirror. The Daily Mail would probably applaud him for it.

[lapsedhibee]

Seems like a bit of nasty stirring to me. He didn't say the word, in fact he went out of his way to avoid saying it, and then it wasn't even broadcast.

If he was trying not say a word he must have been thinking of the word. Racist.


https://warosu.org/data/fa/img/0081/60/1398663061992.jpg
Given that the majority of kids in the country use a variant to make a choice....

:tsk tsk: Changing the words won't save them from litigation.

A jocular use of a form of the rhyme by a Southwest Airlines flight attendant, encouraging passengers to sit down so the plane could take off, led to a 2003 lawsuit charging the airline with intentional infliction of emotional distress and negligent infliction of emotional distress. Two versions of the rhyme were attested in court; both "Eeny meeny miny mo, Please sit down it's time to go" and "Pick a seat, it's time to go". The passengers in question were African American and stated that they were humiliated due to what they called the "racist history" of the rhyme.

[(((Fergus)))]

If he was trying not say a word he must have been thinking of the word. Racist.


:tsk tsk: Changing the words won't save them from litigation.

A jocular use of a form of the rhyme by a Southwest Airlines flight attendant, encouraging passengers to sit down so the plane could take off, led to a 2003 lawsuit charging the airline with intentional infliction of emotional distress and negligent infliction of emotional distress. Two versions of the rhyme were attested in court; both "Eeny meeny miny mo, Please sit down it's time to go" and "Pick a seat, it's time to go". The passengers in question were African American and stated that they were humiliated due to what they called the "racist history" of the rhyme.

Southwest Airlines is a comedy club


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9zMaErkPA

[Hibbyradge]

I dont see why he even should have apologised, he didnt say the word he was accused of saying.

He's a fud though.

Love Stewart Lee's Top Gear routine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc

That's great! Thanks!

[Beefster]

Changing the words won't save them from litigation.

A jocular use of a form of the rhyme by a Southwest Airlines flight attendant, encouraging passengers to sit down so the plane could take off, led to a 2003 lawsuit charging the airline with intentional infliction of emotional distress and negligent infliction of emotional distress. Two versions of the rhyme were attested in court; both "Eeny meeny miny mo, Please sit down it's time to go" and "Pick a seat, it's time to go". The passengers in question were African American and stated that they were humiliated due to what they called the "racist history" of the rhyme.

I was ready to give mini-Beefster a swift slap around the head and order him to cease his nursery rhyming japes. However, I discovered that you forgot to add the crucial result of the said litigation....

"A jury returned a verdict in favor of Southwest and the plaintiffs' appeal was denied."

As a result, mini-Beefster shall be continuing to catch a tiger by the toe when a difficult decision presents itself (e.g., yoghurt or banana?).

[easty]

I was ready to give mini-Beefster a swift slap around the head and order him to cease his nursery rhyming japes. However, I discovered that you forgot to add the crucial result of the said litigation....

"A jury returned a verdict in favor of Southwest and the plaintiffs' appeal was denied."

As a result, mini-Beefster shall be continuing to catch a tiger by the toe when a difficult decision presents itself (e.g., yoghurt or banana?).

Thats not a difficult decision, thats a delicious combination..:greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

I was ready to give mini-Beefster a swift slap around the head and order him to cease his nursery rhyming japes. However, I discovered that you forgot to add the crucial result of the said litigation....

"A jury returned a verdict in favor of Southwest and the plaintiffs' appeal was denied."

As a result, mini-Beefster shall be continuing to catch a tiger by the toe when a difficult decision presents itself (e.g., yoghurt or banana?).

True, the court case (in that instance) eventually went the right way. But to be litigated against is unpleasant enough, even if you don't end up behind bars.

(Since tigers don't really have toes, probably Clarkson's broadcast version makes more technical sense.)

[RyeSloan]

Total ignorance on my part but until today I actually had no idea the Tigger had replaced the N word.

Kids to this day still use that rhyme.

[heretoday]

It'd be good to have a telly programme about cars that most people can afford - instead of one about laddish presenters driving cars that few can afford.

[Hibs Class]

True, the court case (in that instance) eventually went the right way. But to be litigated against is unpleasant enough, even if you don't end up behind bars.

(Since tigers don't really have toes, probably Clarkson's broadcast version makes more technical sense.)

Tigers have 5 toes in front and 4 at the back. (Actually the fifth front toe is a dew claw.) :nerd:

That said, it is still inadvisable to try to catch a tiger, by its toes or any other part of its body.

[Beefster]

True, the court case (in that instance) eventually went the right way. But to be litigated against is unpleasant enough, even if you don't end up behind bars.

(Since tigers don't really have toes, probably Clarkson's broadcast version makes more technical sense.)

I intend to let Mini-Beefster continue with his decision-making process. However, if he gets litigated against, he's on his own.

Mini-Beefster also says that you're wrong about tigers.

[Beefster]

It'd be good to have a telly programme about cars that most people can afford - instead of one about laddish presenters driving cars that few can afford.

Wheeler Dealers is on Discovery most nights.

[Pete]

I just asked my son, who is in primary school, to say the rhyme and he used "tigger". I asked him if he knew what a tigger was and he didn't have a clue. Nobody in my family taught him it so he must have learnt it at school or in the playground. It's the same version I used to use and I didn't have a clue what a tigger was either. I just assumed it was that thing from Winnie the pooh.

I'm not sure when tigers came into the equation. That's a new one. Maybe they joined with the rainbow sheep.

[One Day Soon]

Wheeler Dealers is on Discovery most nights.

Wheeler Dealers is absolutely the business.

And mini ODS also uses said stripey choice making mechanism. I was pretty concerned for a while that I might have to give him his first lesson in reality meets childhood innocence, but thanks to the legal team defending Southwest my son can continue to be Calvin to his own Hobbes.

[Sergey]

Seems like a bit of nasty stirring to me. He didn't say the word, in fact he went out of his way to avoid saying it, and then it wasn't even broadcast.

Doesn't help anybody to make an issue out of this.

:agree:

How is it that Snoop Dogg can have a million selling album containing 300 references to the 'N' word and be showered with MOBO awards, and yet I use the word just ONCE at my son's Sunday league match last weekend and am immediately ordered to leave the park. This smacks of discrimination of the worst kind.

[lucky]

Clarkson is a right wing bigot, who probably has went too far once too often. The BBC will have to get rid. Sad really as I like Top Gear but he is a bellend as James May said.

[sleeping giant]

I had no idea that "tigger" was a substitute for ******.

I always felt sorry for the poor tiger getting his toes pulled.

It was the same with the Sergio Garcia fried chicken thing. I thought he just meant Americans were fat :faf:

[Sir David Gray]

I had no idea that "tigger" was a substitute for ******.

I always felt sorry for the poor tiger getting his toes pulled.

It was the same with the Sergio Garcia fried chicken thing. I thought he just meant Americans were fat :faf:

:agree: Neither did I.

I had no idea that nursery rhyme had any such connotations.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

This will just be another way for the folk that went out of their way to take offence at the Andrew Sachs phonecall without actually hearing it to get the pitchforks out again.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I always bought g word tigger was so out of place , it just raised the question about why it was there in the first place. They could have substituted any word, but instead it just drew more attention to the issue.


:agree:

How is it that Snoop Dogg can have a million selling album containing 300 references to the 'N' word and be showered with MOBO awards, and yet I use the word just ONCE at my son's Sunday league match last weekend and am immediately ordered to leave the park. This smacks of discrimination of the worst kind.

I suppose context is a factor. When Alf Garnett used the word coon, it was in the context of showing an ignorant racist at work. When snoop uses the N word, it's in the context of showing anger at white people's attitude. When Clarkson used the same word, it was in the context of acting the wideo, making out he thinks its stupid you can't us the word.

iI think he needs mocked for being an idiot, but I think sacking him would just make him a martyr for racists. That said, Top Gear is one of the biggest TV shows.....in the world. If the story grows legs, he could be in trouble.

[Pretty Boy]

Total ignorance on my part but until today I actually had no idea the Tigger had replaced the N word.

Kids to this day still use that rhyme.

Same here.

I was genuinely shocked to hear there was a racist element to that rhyme. I always used tigger as a child. Had no idea that has replaced another word.

[oregonhibby]

Today that language is totally unacceptable. On some TV shows coming out of the USA there is language warnings now covering these types of remarks.


At the Ross County game I witnessed and challenged a group from hospitality who used the terms darkies and referred to Richard Brittain as the only poof in the village. They thought I was an arse and carried on stating that the darkies were keeping good scots out of both teams.

It was shocking.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Today that language is totally unacceptable. On some TV shows coming out of the USA there is language warnings now covering these types of remarks.


At the Ross County game I witnessed and challenged a group from hospitality who used the terms darkies and referred to Richard Brittain as the only poof in the village. They thought I was an arse and carried on stating that the darkies were keeping good scots out of both teams.

It was shocking.

These people exist, and I've no doubt Clarkson is a hero to them. Hate to say it, but I've come across it more in small towns than the cities, maybe a reflection on the lack of diversity in these places?

The worst thing about your intervention, is that these fools will probably see it as confirming what wags they are. They probably see being offensive to others as funny, and clever. In fact, the joke is on them the first time one of their kids takes up with someone outside their parents' narrow peer group.

It's worth saying though, that he did ask for his idiotic behaviour to be left out of the final show. That's why I've got a bit of sympathy for him, and a bit of contempt for whoever let this story out.

Reminds me of the time Jo Brand went telling tales on Carole Thatcher. It kind of confirms Middle Britain's view that its all about sneaks getting ordinary people into trouble.

[judas]

[QUOTE=Filled Rolls;3992008]I think we're getting close to appointing someone to be head of the Thought Police. I'm away to check that none of my old reggae albums have anything sexist on them. I have to confess now that I listened to Judge Dread, but hit the mute button when anything dodgy was about to be sung.

I can only imagine how Randy Newman is feeling right now. Apparently you can't say the word "Redkneck" in America now, in case you offend the KKK.

I miss the old days when you could call Bernard Manning a fat racist get. It's all so confusing now.[/QUOTE

yeh, we need colourful people in the media and a bit of verbal latitude should be extended to all, but I found his comments about truckers murdering prostitutes genuinely nauseating. For me, that should have represented instant dismissal.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Sincere thanks to Ofcom, and the two people who complained, for reaffirming what a nob Clarkson is.

The slippery slope of racism. (http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/28/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-racial-term-ofcom-bbc)

Thanks also, for teaching me a new racist term, and fuelling Clarkson (and many of his fans) sense of injustice, and feelings of persecution. That is sure to stop them doing it.

[Sylar]

Sincere thanks to Ofcom, and the two people who complained, for reaffirming what a nob Clarkson is.

The slippery slope of racism. (http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/28/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-racial-term-ofcom-bbc)

Thanks also, for teaching me a new racist term, and fuelling Clarkson (and many of his fans) sense of injustice, and feelings of persecution. That is sure to stop them doing it.

It certainly wasn't a term I was familiar with!

[Gatecrasher]

Down the slope.

[RyeSloan]

Sincere thanks to Ofcom, and the two people who complained, for reaffirming what a nob Clarkson is. The slippery slope of racism. (http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/28/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-racial-term-ofcom-bbc) Thanks also, for teaching me a new racist term, and fuelling Clarkson (and many of his fans) sense of injustice, and feelings of persecution. That is sure to stop them doing it.

I'm just amazed that two, yes a whole two, people complaining is enough to justify an Ofcom investigation. Those guys must be rushed if their feet, not.

That said there was no real denial from the BBC so can only assume Clarkson and the editing team found their wee comment hilarious..

[Phil D. Rolls]

I'm just amazed that two, yes a whole two, people complaining is enough to justify an Ofcom investigation. Those guys must be rushed if their feet, not.

That said there was no real denial from the BBC so can only assume Clarkson and the editing team found their wee comment hilarious..

I can see why he's on his final warning. I reckon he's getting bored and is seeing how far he can push things.