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GreenCastle
19-04-2014, 08:51 PM
No wins in last 9 games.

1 win in last 15 games.

last 15 games scored 11 -

....conceded - 32 goals - roughly 2 a game.

Currently won 8 games in league ( 4 home / 4 away) only Partick have won less in total.

anyone remember a worse run of form? :rolleyes:

greenpaper55
19-04-2014, 08:57 PM
BBC said we are a team at crisis point, can't argue with that.

IWasThere2016
19-04-2014, 08:59 PM
I think Yogi holds the worst ever run record but TB must be close to taking it.

Golden Bear
19-04-2014, 09:01 PM
For my sins I've been a Hibby for over 50 years, and yes, the Class of the last 2 seasons has without a doubt been the worst in terms of ability and entertainment ( or the lack of it)

keep the faith
19-04-2014, 09:08 PM
Worst hibs side ever. Im being serious.

Pretty Boy
19-04-2014, 09:10 PM
Worst hibs side ever. Im being serious.

At nearly 28 it's definitely the worst I can remember.

I elaborated on why on another thread but I really can't remember a more pathetic Hibs team.

GreenCastle
19-04-2014, 09:12 PM
For my sins I've been a Hibby for over 50 years, and yes, the Class of the last 2 seasons has without a doubt been the worst in terms of ability and entertainment ( or the lack of it)

Im not as old as you but I have seen a decent amount of Hibs teams and idolised many a player but struggling to connect with any of the current group and the lack of quality of the last few years has been tragic.

You usually pay for what you get unless it's James Collins.

Loan signings can work but we have had too many duds who don't care about the club. Our other problem is too many players on short term contracts and constant turn around in players - we always seem to be in transition :rolleyes:

stevejordan
19-04-2014, 09:13 PM
I think Yogi holds the worst ever run record but TB must be close to taking it.

has to be Colin Calderwood or Jim Duffy TB must be above them need to show stats.

Sir David Gray
19-04-2014, 09:15 PM
has to be Colin Calderwood or Jim Duffy TB must be above them need to show stats.

Depends on what stats you're looking at.

weonlywon6-2
19-04-2014, 09:17 PM
Worst hibs side ever. Im being serious.

This,pains to say though

Ronniekirk
19-04-2014, 09:17 PM
No wins in last 9 games.

1 win in last 15 games.

last 15 games scored 11 -

....conceded - 32 goals - roughly 2 a game.

Currently won 8 games in league ( 4 home / 4 away) only Partick have won less in total.

anyone remember a worse run of form? :rolleyes:

It's not finished yet but it's the complete ineptitude and inability to create chances never mind look capable of taking one that is alarming .Failure to fork out for right striker at right time is coming back to bite us yet we all knew with griffiths gone that was the key area we needed to address.

stevejordan
19-04-2014, 09:20 PM
Depends on what stats you're looking at.

stats for last 15 games in charge to compare.

Sir David Gray
19-04-2014, 09:23 PM
stats for last 15 games in charge to compare.

You're looking to compare Butcher's last 15 games in charge with the last 15 games of every other Hibs manager's reign? :dunno:

stevejordan
19-04-2014, 09:30 PM
You're looking to compare Butcher's last 15 games in charge with the last 15 games of every other Hibs manager's reign? :dunno:

No v Yogi, Duffy Jim, and TB? Chuck in colin calderwood for a comparison last 15 games in charge

keep the faith
19-04-2014, 09:32 PM
That's quite a long time.
How old are you?
43 and seen some poor hibs teams. None have had as little ability and lack of creativity as this lot.

GreenCastle
19-04-2014, 09:34 PM
I was looking to see if we have ever had such a bad run of results during any managers reign?

how many games without a win etc? It's currently 9 without a win - that's a pretty dire run at any level of football.

stevejordan
19-04-2014, 09:38 PM
I was looking to see if we have ever had such a bad run of results during any managers reign?

how many games without a win etc? It's currently 9 without a win - that's a pretty dire run at any level of football.

Eddie Turnbull would be turning in his grave

GreenCastle
19-04-2014, 09:41 PM
Eddie Turnbull would be turning in his grave

what is happening currently at ER is criminal and if we lose next week (high possibility) then I wouldn't begrudge any fan protests after the game. A win next week would restore some pride but can't see it happening.

dmc1875
19-04-2014, 09:52 PM
I honestly thought Calderwoods team was as bad as it would get.

But that had Griffiths and an on song O'Connor...

This team has absolutely nothing.

Golden Bear
19-04-2014, 10:08 PM
Eddie Turnbull would be turning in his grave

Very true. The connection between the fans and the players has been lost. We've signed far too many football nomads in recent years who, quite frankly, couldn't care a tosser for this once great club.
Bring on the youngsters and restore some pride before it is too late.

Sir David Gray
19-04-2014, 10:24 PM
Longest runs without a victory in each season since returning to the SPL.

99-00 - 8 without a win -
00-01 - 7 without a win
01-02 - 18 without a win
02-03 - 7 without a win
03-04 - 8 without a win
04-05 - 3 without a win x 2
05-06 - 3 without a win x 3
06-07 - 7 without a win
07-08 - 10 without a win
08-09 - 6 without a win
09-10 - 7 without a win
10-11 - 10 without a win
11-12 - 9 without a win
12-13 - 8 without a win
13-14 - 9 without a win

GreenCastle
19-04-2014, 10:30 PM
Longest runs without a victory in each season since returning to the SPL.

99-00 - 8 without a win -
00-01 - 7 without a win
01-02 - 18 without a win
02-03 - 7 without a win
03-04 - 8 without a win
04-05 - 3 without a win x 2
05-06 - 3 without a win x 3
06-07 - 7 without a win
07-08 - 10 without a win
08-09 - 6 without a win
09-10 - 7 without a win
10-11 - 10 without a win
11-12 - 9 without a win
12-13 - 8 without a win
13-14 - 9 without a win

thanks for the stats

18 without a win? That's surely a mistake? Half a season nearly!

so 10 without a win is the worst in recent time - a loss this weekend would equal that :rolleyes:

Golden Bear
19-04-2014, 10:30 PM
Longest runs without a victory in each season since returning to the SPL.

99-00 - 8 without a win -
00-01 - 7 without a win
01-02 - 18 without a win
02-03 - 7 without a win
03-04 - 8 without a win
04-05 - 3 without a win x 2
05-06 - 3 without a win x 3
06-07 - 7 without a win
07-08 - 10 without a win
08-09 - 6 without a win
09-10 - 7 without a win
10-11 - 10 without a win
11-12 - 9 without a win
12-13 - 8 without a win
13-14 - 9 without a win

Stats can be both meaningful and misleading at the same time. Entertainment and value for money must come into the equation and the present mob are very close to being bottom of the class.

Sir David Gray
19-04-2014, 10:32 PM
18 without a win? That's surely a mistake? Half a season nearly!

so 10 without a win is the worst in recent time - a loss this weekend would equal that :rolleyes:

Nope, no mistake.

We beat Hearts on the 21st October 2001 and didn't win again until 2nd March 2002 when we beat St Johnstone 3-0.

GreenCastle
19-04-2014, 10:34 PM
Stats can be both meaningful and misleading at the same time. Entertainment and value for money must come into the equation and the present mob are very close to being bottom of the class.

:agree:

Don't forget this season is with the yams (r) youth team and no sevco! Makes it worse we can get a win!

stevejordan
20-04-2014, 09:08 AM
No wins in last 9 games.

1 win in last 15 games.

last 15 games scored 11 -

....conceded - 32 goals - roughly 2 a game.

Currently won 8 games in league ( 4 home / 4 away) only Partick have won less in total.

anyone remember a worse run of form? :rolleyes:

Not worst form Ever.

Duffy Jims last 15 Games. LLLWDLLDLDLLLLL = 6 points from last 15 Games prior to being Sacked.
Terry Buts last 15 Games. LLLLLDDLDWLLLLD= 7 points

But Close.

keep the faith
20-04-2014, 10:13 AM
:agree:

Don't forget this season is with the yams (r) youth team and no sevco! Makes it worse we can get a win!

Yep. We had a chance we could only have dreamed of for the last 25 years and history will show we bottled it

Onion
20-04-2014, 10:17 AM
Not worst form Ever.

Duffy Jims last 15 Games. LLLWDLLDLDLLLLL = 6 points from last 15 Games prior to being Sacked.
Terry Buts last 15 Games. LLLLLDDLDWLLLLD= 7 points

But Close.

No Rangers and worst Hearts team in a generation.

Onion
20-04-2014, 10:19 AM
Yep. We had a chance we could only have dreamed of for the last 25 years and history will show we bottled it

The fans haven't bottled it.

Our esteemed owner, club leaders, management and players have proved just how capable, visionary and ambitious they are.

SanFranHibs
20-04-2014, 10:33 AM
Worst hibs side ever. Im being serious.

There have been some dreadful performances in the past and long suffering seasons but never, in my memory and opinion, have Hibs been in such a shambles as a team. And I think everyone, no matter when they started watching Hibs, will agree that we have never seen a Hibs team being such push overs, week in, week out. Even the bad Hibs teams in previous decades would offer some resistance.

But we survive this year hopefully and I will expect improvement from the management team next year with some of their players. I admit I had hoped TB & Co to have at least improved the organization of the team but maybe we just have to admit that many of the players simply are not good enough and if they are not then no amount of coaching and encouragement will make them so. A good manger should be able to get good players to perform to their strengths but I really believe some of our players do not even make the grade as a good SPL player.

But if you have supported Hibs for ages and supported team like the Boston Red Sox (before their recent wins).........there's always next year !!

weonlywon6-2
20-04-2014, 10:43 AM
No wins in last 9 games.

1 win in last 15 games.

last 15 games scored 11 -

....conceded - 32 goals - roughly 2 a game.

Currently won 8 games in league ( 4 home / 4 away) only Partick have won less in total.

anyone remember a worse run of form? :rolleyes:

No sadly ,35 years following hibs and i cant remember things being so bad,even in relegation.

Onion
20-04-2014, 10:48 AM
There have been some dreadful performances in the past and long suffering seasons but never, in my memory and opinion, have Hibs been in such a shambles as a team. And I think everyone, no matter when they started watching Hibs, will agree that we have never seen a Hibs team being such push overs, week in, week out. Even the bad Hibs teams in previous decades would offer some resistance.

But we survive this year hopefully and I will expect improvement from the management team next year with some of their players. I admit I had hoped TB & Co to have at least improved the organization of the teambut maybe we just have to admit that many of the players simply are not good enough and if they are not then no amount of coaching and encouragement will make them so. A good manger should be able to get good players to perform to their strengths but I really believe some of our players do not even make the grade as a good SPL player.

But if you have supported Hibs for ages and supported team like the Boston Red Sox (before their recent wins).........there's always next year !!

6 months ago, many on this board were convinced the playing squad was one of the best in the Prem and that Fenlon was the problem. (.net Myth)
Many were convinced Collins just needs some decent service to be a top Prem striker (proving to be another .net Myth)

Fact is we've not a clue what the problem is at Hibs, except that there is something deeply unhealthly at the club and it's rotting from the inside out.

steviehibsleith
20-04-2014, 10:53 AM
Im sure we are in the top 4 player wage bills
We have a great training facility
18000 seater stadium

And a bunch of players who are losers and have no fight. Sorry to generalise for the couple who do try.

We have had numerous managers and turnaround of players but still with the same end result. This may sound harsh but i would be taking a look at all non playing staff at the academy/East mains/Easter road. There is something wrong with the attitude/confidence and IMO it is not down to RP or the board. Why do I say this well we pay good wages and have good facilities also we took OTJ and Liam Craig as 2 examples from teams who they had done well at and they come to us and are suddenly woeful .
We need a change and we've tried players and managers maybe its support staff as weird as it sounds ?

keep the faith
20-04-2014, 10:54 AM
The fans haven't bottled it.

Our esteemed owner, club leaders, management and players have proved just how capable, visionary and ambitious they are.

Thats obviously what I meant.

Steve-O
20-04-2014, 10:59 AM
Nope, no mistake.

We beat Hearts on the 21st October 2001 and didn't win again until 2nd March 2002 when we beat St Johnstone 3-0.

i.e. pretty much Sauzee's entire reign :agree:

That 3-0 win was the Blobster's first game IIRC.

Sir David Gray
20-04-2014, 12:35 PM
i.e. pretty much Sauzee's entire reign :agree:

That 3-0 win was the Blobster's first game IIRC.

All of Sauzee's reign plus the last 2 months of McLeish's reign.

Cropley10
20-04-2014, 01:10 PM
I honestly thought Calderwoods team was as bad as it would get.

But that had Griffiths and an on song O'Connor...

This team has absolutely nothing.

This.

And some will tell you we just needed Pat to stay and we'd be safe in mid table

Onion
20-04-2014, 04:34 PM
Im sure we are in the top 4 player wage bills
We have a great training facility
18000 seater stadium

And a bunch of players who are losers and have no fight. Sorry to generalise for the couple who do try.

We have had numerous managers and turnaround of players but still with the same end result. This may sound harsh but i would be taking a look at all non playing staff at the academy/East mains/Easter road. There is something wrong with the attitude/confidence and IMO it is not down to RP or the board. Why do I say this well we pay good wages and have good facilities also we took OTJ and Liam Craig as 2 examples from teams who they had done well at and they come to us and are suddenly woeful .
We need a change and we've tried players and managers maybe its support staff as weird as it sounds ?

Maybe it's this, maybe it's that. What it definitely is... is the Board's job to identify and address the problem. If they haven't tried, can't find it or cannot fix it, that is the Board's fault. In that case, we need a new Board.

stevejordan
20-04-2014, 07:14 PM
No wins in last 9 games.

1 win in last 15 games.

last 15 games scored 11 -

....conceded - 32 goals - roughly 2 a game.

Currently won 8 games in league ( 4 home / 4 away) only Partick have won less in total.

anyone remember a worse run of form? :rolleyes:

Good comparisons i found on fitbastats site hard to get proper comparisons as TB Not had that long in charge.

Bobby Williamson 91 W 34 D 20 L 37
Jim Duffy 48 W 10 D 15 L 23
Franck Sauzee 15 W 1 D6 L 8
Colin Calderwood 49 W 12 D11 L 26
Paddy Fenlon 87 W 31 D19 L 37
Terry Butcher 20 W 5 D 6 L 9
Terry ( Last 15 ) 15 W 1 D 4 L 10

Bobby and Paddy have a similar record.
Duffy and Calderwoods records are also close.
TB Only close Stat is Franck Sauzees Record.

patch1875
20-04-2014, 07:20 PM
The stats don't lie.

We're in deep do-do.

patch1875
20-04-2014, 07:21 PM
Also think it shows that after a decent start the players don't like butcher.

GreenCastle
20-04-2014, 07:25 PM
Stats don't obviously fully describe / explain the performance of each game.

My worry is the way we lose games - lack of shots on goal etc.

i also am struggling to see any improvement after the first few games - as many have realised we have become worse somehow (key injuries also).

It will be a miracle next season if he manages to turn this around if we are still playing top flight football.

Prepare for more transition and inconsistency.:rolleyes:

Hermit Crab
20-04-2014, 08:19 PM
Longest runs without a victory in each season since returning to the SPL.

99-00 - 8 without a win -
00-01 - 7 without a win
01-02 - 18 without a win
02-03 - 7 without a win
03-04 - 8 without a win
04-05 - 3 without a win x 2
05-06 - 3 without a win x 3
06-07 - 7 without a win
07-08 - 10 without a win
08-09 - 6 without a win
09-10 - 7 without a win
10-11 - 10 without a win
11-12 - 9 without a win
12-13 - 8 without a win
13-14 - 9 without a win


That at may be beaten by the way.

shagpile
20-04-2014, 09:00 PM
The fans haven't bottled it.

Our esteemed owner, club leaders, management and players have proved just how capable, visionary and ambitious they are.

For a club famous for its innovation & ambition it's quite sad to see what we have become. Inept, feckless & devoid of ideas.

fatbloke
20-04-2014, 09:04 PM
Eddie Turnbull would be turning in his grave

Correction - Will be turning

GreenLake
21-04-2014, 01:12 PM
I wonder if TB and Malpas have changed anything in training. Instead of one touch football (which in games only seems to happen for control touches) maybe they should try four or five touches and see if the players can develop an affinity for the ball. For the prematch exercise before the derby, instead of blowing up balloons maybe they could have "The Deer Hunter" style games of Russian Roulette.

Ronniekirk
21-04-2014, 02:30 PM
This.

And some will tell you we just needed Pat to stay and we'd be safe in mid table
We were safe in mid table but we wanted change and got it