Harriet Harman

[Hibbyradge]

As well as working for the National Council for Civil Liberties in the late 70's, I wonder if Harriet Harman ever met Thatcher...

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[CropleyWasGod]

As well as working for the National Council for Civil Liberties in the late 70's, I wonder if Harriet Harman ever met Thatcher...

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:tsk tsk:

[CropleyWasGod]

Being serious about the Harriet Harman stuff, this is quite revealing:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

It's the conflation of homosexuality and paedophilia that is scary. "On at least two occasions the Campaign for Homosexual Equality conference passed motions in PIE's favour."

[Future17]

Being serious about the Harriet Harman stuff, this is quite revealing:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

It's the conflation of homosexuality and paedophilia that is scary. "On at least two occasions the Campaign for Homosexual Equality conference passed motions in PIE's favour."

I read that article earlier and thought along similar lines. Even the opening section is troubling:

"A gay rights conference backs a motion in favour of paedophilia. The story is written up by a national newspaper as "Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib".

It sounds like a nightmarish plotline from dystopian fiction. But this happened in the UK."

[lucky]

But the point is Hariett Harmon had nothing to do with the vote or who Civil Liberities allowed to affiliate to them. I find the whole story disgusting and also no real surprise given the attitude towards equality in the 1970s

[Phil D. Rolls]

John Tusa interviewed two members of the PIE, on Newsnight, circa 1979. Does this point to more sinister goings on at the BBC. Or is it just another case of getting all sides of the story before passing judgement?

If we agree that we need to know what we are condemning before condemning it, then is there not an argument that it was right for the Civil Liberties people to give them a platform?

It was a different time. Once again we are mismatching what we know and understand now, with how people acted then.

[Mr White]

It was a different time. Once again we are mismatching what we know and understand now, with how people acted then.

to some degree perhaps but from what I've read they were given a platform for far longer than it should have taken to spot them for the deviants they clearly were. Either way I don't see how it's relevant now as Harriet harman doesn't seem to be directly to blame it looks like it's just ****-stirring by the media. Certainly an interesting insight iinto how things were seen and condoned in the 1970's though.

[Phil D. Rolls]

to some degree perhaps but from what I've read they were given a platform for far longer than it should have taken to spot them for the deviants they clearly were. Either way I don't see how it's relevant now as Harriet harman doesn't seem to be directly to blame it looks like it's just ****-stirring by the media. Certainly an interesting insight iinto how things were seen and condoned in the 1970's though.

My recall of it is the disgust that was evident in John Tusa's face. That said he tried his hardest to play fair. I also remember thinking what strange men the PIE were. For me, definitely a case of showing them for what they were and letting people make their minds up.

People also have to remember that discussing any form if sex was still dangerous territory. People, on the whole, were naive about what went on. Nowadays these things are spoken about much more openly.

[Mr White]

For me, definitely a case of showing them for what they were and letting people make their minds up.

People also have to remember that discussing any form if sex was still dangerous territory. People, on the whole, were naive about what went on. Nowadays these things are spoken about much more openly.
fair enough, seems remarkable that it took 10 years but as you say it was a very different time.

[heretoday]

My recall of it is the disgust that was evident in John Tusa's face. That said he tried his hardest to play fair. I also remember thinking what strange men the PIE were. For me, definitely a case of showing them for what they were and letting people make their minds up.

People also have to remember that discussing any form if sex was still dangerous territory. People, on the whole, were naive about what went on. Nowadays these things are spoken about much more openly. We're certainly not so naive now about lots of things. We used to trust MPs, churchmen, teachers, doctors and even DJs without question.

[(((Fergus)))]

I seem to recall the PIE had their number in the phonebook in the late 70s/early 80s. I was a kid at the time and we used to phone them now and again to give them dog's abuse. A rare case of children abusing paedophiles.