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easty
14-02-2014, 04:15 PM
Well said Jose :top marks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26188451

Bostonhibby
14-02-2014, 04:18 PM
Well said Jose :top marks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26188451

And an absolute whinger as well. Don't see the gooners ever winning much until he moves on.

jacomo
14-02-2014, 04:19 PM
Wenger is a fine manager but not great at the old 'mind games', as they call them.

He'd be better served trying to rise above the fray and leave the bickering to Mourinho (to be fair, he excels at it).

Bostonhibby
14-02-2014, 04:22 PM
Wenger is a fine manager but not great at the old 'mind games', as they call them.

He'd be better served trying to rise above the fray and leave the bickering to Mourinho (to be fair, he excels at it).

:agree: He was is a specialist in failing at the mind games as well, never could get past Fergie on them and never will outsmart Josie, its a great pity as I always liked Arsenal until whinger came along.

Fergus52
14-02-2014, 04:23 PM
I've never seen Mourinho go unbeaten in the league for a whole season...

3pm
14-02-2014, 04:24 PM
I like Jose but he's a bit of a trumpet with those remarks.

B.H.F.C
14-02-2014, 04:25 PM
I've never seen Mourinho go unbeaten in the league for a whole season...

Never seen him go 8 years without a trophy either

easty
14-02-2014, 04:26 PM
:agree: He was is a specialist in failing at the mind games as well, never could get past Fergie on them and never will outsmart Josie, its a great pity as I always liked Arsenal until whinger came along.

Same for me.

Bostonhibby
14-02-2014, 04:32 PM
I've never seen Mourinho go unbeaten in the league for a whole season...

Fair comment, that was then, there were quite a few George Graham defenders in an excellent defence then if I recall correctly, since then they have at best seen success as scraping into the Champions league ever since, on similar turnovers and often greater than many he has achieved not much else and had a few slumps along the way.

They are normally out of contention for most of the big ones by the end of February / early March so their league position is a bit of a bonus this time around though recently they have been against the teams around them in the league and managed a draw at home against a poor Man U for their troubles. Interesting spell for them as winter sets in and they have a record signing who doesn't seem to be firing on all cylinders.

Fergus52
14-02-2014, 04:33 PM
Never seen him go 8 years without a trophy either

since porto I've never seen him have the financial constraints that have been on Arsenal post emirates.

Pretty much an unlimited budget at Chelsea and Real, plenty of cash when he was at inter too.

easty
14-02-2014, 04:40 PM
since porto I've never seen him have the financial constraints that have been on Arsenal post emirates.

Pretty much an unlimited budget at Chelsea and Real, plenty of cash when he was at inter too.

Arsene Wenger has spent plenty money.

Fergus52
14-02-2014, 04:42 PM
Arsene Wenger has spent plenty money.

between leaving highbury and the emirates being paid off?

don't think so.

Fergus52
14-02-2014, 04:45 PM
between 06/07 and 12/13 Wenger's spending was at a 40million profit :aok:

Shrekko
14-02-2014, 04:47 PM
Jose Mourinho is an obnoxious absolute bore. The English media love him so he can say what he wants and it's him being a genius. The Italians and Spanish who are more sophisticated and knowledgable, could see right through him.

Wenger is at least his equal as a coach.

easty
14-02-2014, 04:49 PM
between leaving highbury and the emirates being paid off?

don't think so.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html

435m.....thats quite a lot.

easty
14-02-2014, 04:50 PM
Jose Mourinho is an obnoxious absolute bore. The English media love him so he can say what he wants and it's him being a genius. The Italians and Spanish who are more sophisticated and knowledgable, could see right through him.

Wenger is at least his equal as a coach.

I'll agree with you on one part.....the English are totally unsophisticated. :greengrin

Fergus52
14-02-2014, 04:56 PM
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html

435m.....thats quite a lot.

it's really not when it's been over 2 decades with only a net spend of 60mil.

Keeping Arsenal in the top 4 every season since leaving highbury whilst needing to make a profit each season is a feat that Mourinho could not have achieved.

Bostonhibby
14-02-2014, 04:58 PM
between leaving highbury and the emirates being paid off?

don't think so.

Its a moot point, but its fair to say the gunners have one of the highest incomes in Europe, their 2 biggest shareholders do enjoy handsome dividends though :wink:

I actually think whinger is at his best when he is not spending big - for example he got Anelka, Song, RVP and a few others for less than he sold them on for and there have been others who left for "bigger clubs" like Nasri, Clichy and Cole.

They have spent big but its mostly been bad news - Reyes for 27m - a near British record at the time - shipped back to Spain for next to nothing a couple of years later, Anyone remember "the fox in the box" Jeffers? a 10m disaster at a time when there weren't many 10m signings around, Arshavin - enough said?

I don't think Ozil looks a 47m player but at those figures who know who is!

My mate is a big gooner and he has always said Wenger can't pick a centre half - he has never forgiven him for Senderos - Drogbas' favourite defender was what he called him!.

ekhibee
14-02-2014, 05:00 PM
Wenger was a superb manager, but he's been too long at Arsenal IMO. That Arsenal team that went through the season unbeaten wasn't just a good defensive unit, they were great to watch, unlike George Graham's tactics which were effective but extremely boring. Mourinho must be bored and looking for another manager to wind up now that Ferguson's retired. Don't know why so many people thought winding up opposing managers was so great, if it was the OF managers doing up here the majority of people would, and did, find it childish and pathetic, but it seems to be ok to do it down there where there's millions at stake through tv deals and sponsorship.

Fergus52
14-02-2014, 05:01 PM
Mourinho's total spending is 563mil in a much shorter career, around a third of which was in portugal where he won't have spent much.

Bostonhibby
14-02-2014, 05:03 PM
I'll agree with you on one part.....the English are totally unsophisticated. :greengrin

I will add my agreement to that, Not a fan of all that he does, I think that in years to come chelski will be seen to balance the books a bit more on transfers - the main reason being that for the foreseeable future they have a pretty strong looking young squad with decent strength in depth, one decent Centre forward and they will be a real handful. I think they will win the EPL.

Fergus52
14-02-2014, 05:05 PM
Its a moot point, but its fair to say the gunners have one of the highest incomes in Europe, their 2 biggest shareholders do enjoy handsome dividends though :wink:

I actually think whinger is at his best when he is not spending big - for example he got Anelka, Song, RVP and a few others for less than he sold them on for and there have been others who left for "bigger clubs" like Nasri, Clichy and Cole.

They have spent big but its mostly been bad news - Reyes for 27m - a near British record at the time - shipped back to Spain for next to nothing a couple of years later, Anyone remember "the fox in the box" Jeffers? a 10m disaster at a time when there weren't many 10m signings around, Arshavin - enough said?

I don't think Ozil looks a 47m player but at those figures who know who is!

My mate is a big gooner and he has always said Wenger can't pick a centre half - he has never forgiven him for Senderos - Drogbas' favourite defender was what he called him!.

Arshavin and Reyes were by no means failure.

This is only Ozil's first season in the prem, he'll be better next year, no doubt about it. Did you watch him at Real? he was unreal.

and about the centre-halfs... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2539232/Laurent-Koscielny-Per-Mertesacker-not-lost-match-two-years.html albeit Liverpool did ruin their record a bit since that article.

The Sea-gull
14-02-2014, 05:06 PM
In fairness Arsenal are still in with a chance of winning three competitions and while 8 years without a trophy is pretty shocking, and a trophy win won't remove that from AW's CV it seems harsh to cast it up just now as they haven't lost anything this season, yet.

That is the trouble with Arsenal, too many times at this point in the season they have blown it. I doubt they will progress in Europe but to be fair, losing to Bayern Munich would be no disgrace. I still think they have a decent chance in the league and FA cup.

Jose knows what he is doing though - cranking up the mind games in the hope that they blow the FA cup this weekend, which wrecks their confidence for going to Bayern and going out of two competitions would wreck their confidence for the league leaving Chelsea and Man City to fight it out for the league. I actually have a wee sneaking suspicion that Liverpool could sneak up and put in a title challenge too.

Arsenal could really do with not having their usual Feb/March collapse and as we go into April or even May if they can still be in the FA cup and/or Champions League plus make even a faint title challenge until then, even if they don't win anything they could take something to build on next season.

I'm starting to think it could be 1.Chelsea, 2. Liverpool, 3. Man City and 4. Arsenal though who knows, any one of them could win it. The end of the English top league is a lot more interesting than the end of the top league in Scotland this season anyway!

joe breezy
14-02-2014, 05:15 PM
You have to wonder what on earth Man U were thinking when they could have had Mourinho but went fir Moyes. I think loyalty etc but do they have the time they did first time around with SAF? Right now I'd rather Mourinho was with Man U


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Sir David Gray
14-02-2014, 05:17 PM
Don't know why people are reacting so much to these kind of comments.

Mourinho is clearly not being serious and is just trying to wind Wenger up and throw him off course in the final few weeks of the season in order to try and gain an advantage.

Alex Ferguson used to be the master at that kind of thing and now Mourinho's at it.

I'm sure he doesn't really see Wenger as a failure and if you were to ask him for an honest answer, I'm sure he would admit that he respects Wenger in terms of what he's done at Arsenal.

B.H.F.C
14-02-2014, 05:17 PM
Mourinho's total spending is 563mil in a much shorter career, around a third of which was in portugal where he won't have spent much.

He still won everything there was to win when he was in Portugal as well. Without spending much.

jacomo
14-02-2014, 05:24 PM
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html

435m.....thats quite a lot.

Arsenal have also consistently had one of the top 4 wage budgets too.

hibsbollah
14-02-2014, 05:31 PM
Arshavin and Reyes were by no means failure.

This is only Ozil's first season in the prem, he'll be better next year, no doubt about it. Did you watch him at Real? he was unreal.

and about the centre-halfs... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2539232/Laurent-Koscielny-Per-Mertesacker-not-lost-match-two-years.html albeit Liverpool did ruin their record a bit since that article.

:agree: most of the top teams were after Arshavin after his brilliant displays for Zenit in winning a European trophy. He lost his way in his final season at Arsenal but a class player without a doubt and a good signing.

Keith_M
14-02-2014, 05:33 PM
He still won everything there was to win when he was in Portugal as well. Without spending much.


In Portugal, you are guaranteed that one of the same two teams will win the league. His achievements there are on a par with Walter Smith at Rangers or Martin O'Neil at Celtc.

AngusHibby
14-02-2014, 05:41 PM
In Portugal, you are guaranteed that one of the same two teams will win the league. His achievements there are on a par with Walter Smith at Rangers or Martin O'Neil at Celtc.
plus a champions league and a uefa cup...

don't think martin o'neil and walter smith's achievements are on a par with that

Michael
14-02-2014, 05:55 PM
Mourinho has a strange definition of failure. Construction of the Emirates cost over 400m. I think that the only other manager in the world that could have kept Arsenal in the champions league every year since construction began is Sir Alex.

B.H.F.C
14-02-2014, 05:59 PM
In Portugal, you are guaranteed that one of the same two teams will win the league. His achievements there are on a par with Walter Smith at Rangers or Martin O'Neil at Celtc.

No comparison at all. He won the Uefa cup and Champions League in consecutive years with Porto.

easty
14-02-2014, 06:02 PM
Mourinho has a strange definition of failure. Construction of the Emirates cost over 400m. I think that the only other manager in the world that could have kept Arsenal in the champions league every year since construction began is Sir Alex.

Did Wenger build the stadium and manage the team? Fair play to him. Must have been shattered at the end of the day.

Hibercelona
14-02-2014, 06:24 PM
Mourinho's a gob*****, who just happens to be an extremely talented manager, albeit with some of the biggest budgets to work with.

johnrebus
14-02-2014, 06:34 PM
I know which team I would rather watch.

And it isn't Chelsea.

Pete
14-02-2014, 07:03 PM
Pellegrini makes it clear he isn't interested in stupid slanging matches and what happens a few days later? Surpise surprise, he moves onto someone else.

He's the best self-publicist. You have to give him that.

silverhibee
14-02-2014, 07:10 PM
Fulham sack Rene Meulensteen.

Scouse Hibee
14-02-2014, 07:27 PM
Pellegrini makes it clear he isn't interested in stupid slanging matches and what happens a few days later? Surpise surprise, he moves onto someone else.

He's the best self-publicist. You have to give him that.


Like a school bully moving on to someone he thinks he can get at.

down-the-slope
14-02-2014, 07:48 PM
I know that Jose is great at the mind games - but many missing that Wenger was the one that made veiled comments about him being feared to fail...bit of an open goal that Jose could not miss.

Arsene makes teams that are great to watch and a joy when they click - but soft as putty when the going gets tough. Fergy and Jose both could create teams that had steel for the difficult moments as well as being great to watch on their day .

Arsene - no point greeting like school girl until you toughen up your team.

Tyler Durden
14-02-2014, 07:50 PM
I think some posters are exaggerating the restrictions Wenger worked under for last 3/4 years. He's still had one of the biggest budgets helping him get in the top 4. Numerous questionable signings (25m combined for Podolski and Gervinho for example) continually fails to address problem positions.

Just focusing on this season, he appears unwilling to spend when the money is there. Have to agree with Piers Morgan that his failure to buy a top striker will cost them a serious shot at the title.

Fantastic manager over the years but he should move on.

Mourinho has played a blinder this year but I'd love to see his old protege Rodgers get the better of him.

Scouse Hibee
14-02-2014, 07:56 PM
I think some posters are exaggerating the restrictions Wenger worked under for last 3/4 years. He's still had one of the biggest budgets helping him get in the top 4. Numerous questionable signings (25m combined for Podolski and Gervinho for example) continually fails to address problem positions.

Just focusing on this season, he appears unwilling to spend when the money is there. Have to agree with Piers Morgan that his failure to buy a top striker will cost them a serious shot at the title.

Fantastic manager over the years but he should move on.

Mourinho has played a blinder this year but I'd love to see his old protege Rodgers get the better of him.


So would I

MWHIBBIES
14-02-2014, 08:03 PM
I think some posters are exaggerating the restrictions Wenger worked under for last 3/4 years. He's still had one of the biggest budgets helping him get in the top 4. Numerous questionable signings (25m combined for Podolski and Gervinho for example) continually fails to address problem positions.

Just focusing on this season, he appears unwilling to spend when the money is there. Have to agree with Piers Morgan that his failure to buy a top striker will cost them a serious shot at the title.

Fantastic manager over the years but he should move on.

Mourinho has played a blinder this year but I'd love to see his old protege Rodgers get the better of him.Arsenals problem right now is up front, those players both play there. Arsenals defense isn't a problem anymore, Koscielny and Mert have only lost once when they have played 90 minutes together.

These comments from Mourinho are pathetic to say the least, should really focus on his own team who ''failed'' to beat West Brom on Tuesday.

lapsedhibee
14-02-2014, 08:11 PM
Fergy and Jose both could create teams that had steel for the difficult moments as well as being great to watch on their day.

I don't really mind Mourinho but I never think of his teams as being great to watch. Never.

Col2
14-02-2014, 08:24 PM
Totally disrespectful. Hope Wenger laughs it off or ignores. Childish dig from a guy who is used to buying his way to success.

May2116
14-02-2014, 09:20 PM
I don't really mind Mourinho but I never think of his teams as being great to watch. Never.

How can a team that consists of attacking players like Oscar Hazard Willian etc not be great to watch? Guessing you missed them totally outplaying City the other week.

blackpoolhibs
14-02-2014, 09:39 PM
Fulham sack Rene Meulensteen.

They punted him because he was gazumped by Alloa for Derek. :wink:

lapsedhibee
14-02-2014, 09:42 PM
How can a team that consists of attacking players like Oscar Hazard Willian etc not be great to watch? Guessing you missed them totally outplaying City the other week.

I think at the beginning of this season Mourinho wanted to play more attractive football but results didn't go so well and he gave an interview saying that if people wanted his teams to win 1-0 all the time he could easily make that happen - and he's carried out his threat. Would personally rather watch any of the other top 7 teams in the EPL - Liverpuddle and City best at the moment imo, though I admit I don't watch every game.

Drogba and Robben were also attacking players, in his last spell, but they weren't great to watch then either.

johnrebus
14-02-2014, 10:47 PM
How can a team that consists of attacking players like Oscar Hazard Willian etc not be great to watch? Guessing you missed them totally outplaying City the other week.


Saw Chelsea lose 2-0 at St James Park earlier in the season and thought they were very poor. Had over 100m of talent on the bench and the three who did came on contributed nothing but fall over their feet.

Liverpool are by far the best I've seen - 2-2 draw - but the problem is the defense - always liable to give away stupid goals. Suarez and Sturridge are fantastic obviously, but Gerrard maybe an old carthorse now, but he can sure pass a football.

If it's not going to be Arsenal then I hope the red side of Scouseland can do it.


:agree:

mmmmhibby
14-02-2014, 11:04 PM
I think some posters are exaggerating the restrictions Wenger worked under for last 3/4 years. He's still had one of the biggest budgets helping him get in the top 4. Numerous questionable signings (25m combined for Podolski and Gervinho for example) continually fails to address problem positions.

Just focusing on this season, he appears unwilling to spend when the money is there. Have to agree with Piers Morgan that his failure to buy a top striker will cost them a serious shot at the title.

Fantastic manager over the years but he should move on.

Mourinho has played a blinder this year but I'd love to see his old protege Rodgers get the better of him.

Arsenal blew it big time when the offered Liverpool 1 over 40m for Saurez. If they had met liverpools 50m demands at the time, and signed saurez, they would've hosed that league. Wenger or the board clearly thought 50m was too much to pay. What a huge mistake that's turned out to be!!!

mmmmhibby
14-02-2014, 11:10 PM
Saw Chelsea lose 2-0 at St James Park earlier in the season and thought they were very poor. Had over 100m of talent on the bench and the three who did came on contributed nothing but fall over their feet.

Liverpool are by far the best I've seen - 2-2 draw - but the problem is the defense - always liable to give away stupid goals. Suarez and Sturridge are fantastic obviously, but Gerrard maybe an old carthorse now, but he can sure pass a football.

If it's not going to be Arsenal then I hope the red side of Scouseland can do it.


:agree:

Chelsea have come a long way since that game at Newcastle, Man city have the best squad on paper. Its a coin flip between these two who wins it. IMO I think Jose will inspire Chelsea to win the EPL. He's been there an done it previously.

Dashing Bob S
14-02-2014, 11:29 PM
It's all about spending at that level. Over the last eight years Arsenal have been planning to move to the Emirates, then paying for the move. Thus Wenger has had less to spend than the managers of the Manchester clubs and Chelsea. It's no surprise that his trophy drought has come over this period.

In my opinion, he's had them punching above their weight. Liverpool and Spurs have easily spent comparable amounts over the last few years, and still haven't qualified for the CL as regularly as Arsenal.

I think they could win a cup soon, but can't see them as League or CL contenders until they match the spending power of Chelsea and City.

May2116
15-02-2014, 01:57 AM
Saw Chelsea lose 2-0 at St James Park earlier in the season and thought they were very poor. Had over 100m of talent on the bench and the three who did came on contributed nothing but fall over their feet.

Liverpool are by far the best I've seen - 2-2 draw - but the problem is the defense - always liable to give away stupid goals. Suarez and Sturridge are fantastic obviously, but Gerrard maybe an old carthorse now, but he can sure pass a football.

If it's not going to be Arsenal then I hope the red side of Scouseland can do it.


:agree:

You can pick out individual games that Chelsea were poor in, just as you can City Arsenal and Liverpool... Of course teams will have off days... But you cannot play long ball or poor football with attacking players like those mentioned in your side IMO.

Oscar and Hazard have been worlds apart from any others in there position in the league and the pace and skill Willian has shown since breaking into the side is unreal.

They also now have Matic, Lampard, Ramires etc who are brilliant ball players and anything but boring to watch... Liverpool have Sturridge and Suarez.. Chelsea don't get the credit they deserve because not only does Mourinho have the tactical nous to suss teams out he also has the flair to damage sides... The rest only have the flair sides without the managerial ability!!

HibernianJK
15-02-2014, 03:26 AM
I would rather have all the trophies that Mourinho has than the pretty football Wenger has. He has failed to take one of the worlds biggest clubs to silverware in 8 years. That is failure.

Everyone is scared of failure thats what drives them on to be the best there is. No matter what Joses budget has been at Madrid or Chelsea this time around he hasn't had the best team in the league yet he has managed to get the better of the best teams in the league.

MWHIBBIES
15-02-2014, 04:12 AM
I would rather have all the trophies that Mourinho has than the pretty football Wenger has. He has failed to take one of the worlds biggest clubs to silverware in 8 years. That is failure.

Everyone is scared of failure thats what drives them on to be the best there is. No matter what Joses budget has been at Madrid or Chelsea this time around he hasn't had the best team in the league yet he has managed to get the better of the best teams in the league.His achievements with them in his previous 8 years made them that big club.

SkintHibby
15-02-2014, 05:48 AM
In Portugal, you are guaranteed that one of the same two teams will win the league. His achievements there are on a par with Walter Smith at Rangers or Martin O'Neil at Celtc.

Not a fair comparison. There are 3 big clubs in Portugal - Sporting Lisbon, Benfica and Porto and the rest of the teams in that league are of a decent standard.

MWHIBBIES
15-02-2014, 06:34 AM
Not a fair comparison. There are 3 big clubs in Portugal - Sporting Lisbon, Benfica and Porto and the rest of the teams in that league are of a decent standard.I could have won that league with Deco, Maniche, Carvalho, Ferreira and Costinha. Achievements in Europe were brilliant though.

Danderhall Hibs
15-02-2014, 07:44 AM
Like a school bully moving on to someone he thinks he can get at.

Didn't Wenger start the mind games this time and has now effectively been clamped?

lapsedhibee
15-02-2014, 08:05 AM
Didn't Wenger start the mind games this time and has now effectively been clamped?
No. Wenger commented on other managers repeatedly saying that their teams were not contenders for the league title. Mourinho has been doing that, and so has Rodgers until very recently. So Wenger was responding to their games.

Joe6-2
15-02-2014, 08:43 AM
Jose Mourinho is an obnoxious absolute bore. The English media love him so he can say what he wants and it's him being a genius. The Italians and Spanish who are more sophisticated and knowledgable, could see right through him.

Wenger is at least his equal as a coach.

Totally agree with this!

Matty_Jack04
15-02-2014, 08:44 AM
No. Wenger commented on other managers repeatedly saying that their teams were not contenders for the league title. Mourinho has been doing that, and so has Rodgers until very recently. So Wenger was responding to their games.

Rodgers is the only one to have a point in all that, he's building a team too challenge and having a good season no need to add extra pressure by saying there going for it when a couple of key injuries/suspensions could see them drop out, the whole little horse thing was a shambles IMO Jose's spent 105m to then say there not contenders after beating city away was laughable but the English media love him and his ways when anybody else would have been hung out to dry

May2116
15-02-2014, 10:22 AM
Rodgers is the only one to have a point in all that, he's building a team too challenge and having a good season no need to add extra pressure by saying there going for it when a couple of key injuries/suspensions could see them drop out, the whole little horse thing was a shambles IMO Jose's spent 105m to then say there not contenders after beating city away was laughable but the English media love him and his ways when anybody else would have been hung out to dry

Mourinho had said since day one that this season was about building towards next season as city still have far and away the best squad in the league. Why would Jose change his tune now? Exactly the same as Rodgers spending money building for next season and saying there not contenders after beating arsenal and Everton with loads to spare!

lapsedhibee
15-02-2014, 10:52 AM
Mourinho had said since day one that this season was about building towards next season as city still have far and away the best squad in the league. Why would Jose change his tune now? Exactly the same as Rodgers spending money building for next season and saying there not contenders after beating arsenal and Everton with loads to spare!

"Events, dear boy, events." :wink: They've beaten the best squad away from home, are top of the league and have probably the easiest last twelve games in the three-horses-and-a-Chihuahua race. Will he not change his tune even if they're top with two games to go? Will it still make sense to say they're building towards next season and aren't contenders this? :confused:

Matty_Jack04
15-02-2014, 11:27 AM
Mourinho had said since day one that this season was about building towards next season as city still have far and away the best squad in the league. Why would Jose change his tune now? Exactly the same as Rodgers spending money building for next season and saying there not contenders after beating arsenal and Everton with loads to spare!

Chelsea finished 3rd last year 3points behind city in 2nd compared to liverpools 7th to then spend 105m and claim not to be contenders or a 'little horse' is ridiculous if he was Everton manager he'd have a point, my bet would be liverpools target at the start of the season would have been cup runs and a serious challenge for 4th place, now they find themselves in the mix Rodgers has very recently started changing his tune

Baader
15-02-2014, 11:48 AM
Mourinho may be a good manager but he is not to be taken seriously when he opens his mouth. He is a joker.

Who's the only other manager to have won the title in that league? Wenger. Three times and one of them undefeated all season. Four FA Cups. How in anyones terms can that count as failure?

There's absolutely no doubt which manager plays the better football as well and anyone who claims otherwise is just lying!

lord bunberry
15-02-2014, 12:03 PM
If football had more Arsene Venger's and less Jose Mourinho's it would be a whole lot more entertaining to watch, Vengers a decent man who conducts himself with class and dignity, two features lacking in mourinho.

jonty
15-02-2014, 05:17 PM
If football had more Arsene Venger's and less Jose Mourinho's it would be a whole lot more entertaining to watch, Vengers a decent man who conducts himself with class and dignity, two features lacking in mourinho.

Arsene "I Didn't see it" Wenger? Sorry, you're having a laugh. :greengrin.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/mirror-football-blog/I-did-not-see-the-incident-Arsene-Wenger-s-Top-10-myopic-moments-article159159.html

As for Mourinhos quote, he was replying to Wenger claiming Mourinho was afraid to fail. OG By Wenger.

Slow news day :agree:

johnrebus
15-02-2014, 07:32 PM
You can pick out individual games that Chelsea were poor in, just as you can City Arsenal and Liverpool... Of course teams will have off days... But you cannot play long ball or poor football with attacking players like those mentioned in your side IMO.

Oscar and Hazard have been worlds apart from any others in there position in the league and the pace and skill Willian has shown since breaking into the side is unreal.

They also now have Matic, Lampard, Ramires etc who are brilliant ball players and anything but boring to watch... Liverpool have Sturridge and Suarez.. Chelsea don't get the credit they deserve because not only does Mourinho have the tactical nous to suss teams out he also has the flair to damage sides... The rest only have the flair sides without the managerial ability!!



Yup, good on the, 'Special One' and his half billion pound team.

Not a single shot on target.



:rolleyes:

emerald green
15-02-2014, 07:38 PM
Well done City. GIRUY Jose. Hope Arsenal or Liverpool go on to win the title but I suspect neither of them will.

gunnerhibee
15-02-2014, 08:15 PM
Well done City. GIRUY Jose. Hope Arsenal or Liverpool go on to win the title but I suspect neither of them will.

I second that....the special one isn't so special tonight...big heeded eejit:na na: