God forbid this lot ever get into power

[Jonnyboy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/ukip-adhd-psychobabble-message-boards_n_4609441.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

[SHODAN]

Having studied mental health and ADHD at large in my undergraduate, I can assure you it is far, far from "psychobabble". It is absolutely infuriating that these bunch of ignorant, bigoted toffs dismiss it out of hand.

This country is mad if they gain even a single seat in the next election. Complete *****.

[Hibrandenburg]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/17/ukip-adhd-psychobabble-message-boards_n_4609441.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&ir=UK

A tick in the right box come referendum day should ensure that never happens in Scotland.

[Beefster]

A tick in the right box come referendum day should ensure that never happens in Scotland.

UKIP will never be in power so you'd be as well saying "vote indpendence to stop the Moon crashing into Earth".

[yeezus.]

UKIP will never be in power so you'd be as well saying "vote indpendence to stop the Moon crashing into Earth".

:agree: It seems like the pro-independence campaign are continuing to push the myth of "left-wing Scotland vs right-wing England". I hate it.

[Hibrandenburg]

UKIP will never be in power so you'd be as well saying "vote indpendence to stop the Moon crashing into Earth".

If I'm still alive in 20 years I'll buy you a pint if you're still right about that. However middle England are lapping this mob up and the nearer the Tories get to the centre the more votes they pick up. Nobody in Germany thought the Nazis would actually get in power but we all know how that ended.

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree: It seems like the pro-independence campaign are continuing to push the myth of "left-wing Scotland vs right-wing England". I hate it.

Here's the news, Scotland overwhelmingly votes left and England votes right. What's to discuss?

[Hibercelona]

If I'm still alive in 20 years I'll buy you a pint if you're still right about that. However middle England are lapping this mob up and the nearer the Tories get to the centre the more votes they pick up. Nobody in Germany thought the Nazis would actually get in power but we all know how that ended.

:agree:

All it takes is 1 complete mad man to seize control of millions. Propaganda is the strongest form of brain washing.

[yeezus.]

Here's the news, Scotland overwhelmingly votes left and England votes right. What's to discuss?

It's not as simple as that. Here's a good article written by Peter Russell (http://www.labourhame.com/archives/3933)

[Hibrandenburg]

It's not as simple as that. Here's a good article written by Peter Russell (http://www.labourhame.com/archives/3933)

That article is built on one man's opinions and only really holds relevance when you see Scotland's future as part of the UK, I don't so I can't agree with the Midlands/Scotland and south divide.

Also he's trying to suggest that SNP voters are traditionally Tory voters and that the SNP are in reality a right-wing party. Both assumptions are tosh because most voters who vote SNP vote for them because of their socialist polices or because the SNP are the only vehicle to independence.

Scotland will of course have a right-wing after independence, but to gain support in an independent Scotland they will have to be far more central than their Westminster counterparts. Vote yes, you know it makes sense. :o)

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358


A UKIP councillor has blamed the recent storms and heavy floods across Britain on the Government's decision to legalise gay marriage.





has UKIP been invaded by defections from the monster raving loony party

[(((Fergus)))]

:agree:

All it takes is 1 complete mad man to seize control of millions. Propaganda is the strongest form of brain washing.

There has to be some susceptibility there first for propaganda to work and the Germans were obviously far more susceptible to Hitler than Brits were to Mosley. We were more susceptible to the arguments (propaganda?) that we should fight the Nazis.

[Pretty Boy]

Here's the news, Scotland overwhelmingly votes left and England votes right. What's to discuss?

I think it's more a case of Scotland overwhelmingly doesn't vote Conservative.

Up until Thatcher turned the Tory brand toxic in Scotland 20-25 blue MPs from up here wasn't at all unusual in a General Election.

[Sylar]

Some gays must be getting freaky somewhere as the heavy rain is on in Surrey :rolleyes:

[yeezus.]

Some gays must be getting freaky somewhere as the heavy rain is on in Surrey :rolleyes:

I'm astounded at that tripe - its the sort of thing I expect to hear from far right American preacher's like the old nutter Rev. Falwell.

[Sylar]

I'm astounded at that tripe - its the sort of thing I expect to hear from far right American preacher's like the old nutter Rev. Falwell.

I hope you mean his article and not my post (which was entirely tongue in cheek :greengrin)

[yeezus.]

I hope you mean his article and not my post (which was entirely tongue in cheek :greengrin)

:agree: Yeah definitely meant the article! :greengrin

[Jones28]

An ancient school of thought from a bunch of dinosaurs. They come straight out of the "his parents didn't beat him hard enough" way of thinking.

The only common ground I share with these people is that we all breathe the same air...unfortunately.

Anybody think this sounds like a Jeremy Clarkson-ism?

[Phil D. Rolls]

One way to prevent UKIP coming to power is to leave the UK. Their increasing popularity in England should focus minds ahead of the referendum.

[SHODAN]

One way to prevent UKIP coming to power is to leave the UK. Their increasing popularity in England should focus minds ahead of the referendum.

If we remain in the UK and they somehow ascend to power, I'll be leaving. :rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

If we remain in the UK and they somehow ascend to power, I'll be leaving. :rolleyes:

Since the Labour Party overtook the Liberals in the 20s only 2 parties have held majority government.

Contemporary British politics has been dominated by 3 parties and since the 20s it's been to all intents and purposes a 2 party state.

I think you're safe to stay. The UKIP 'threat' is like the BNP hysteria that went around a few years back when they won a sizeable number of council seats and performed well in a few by elections. That particular party is dying on it's erse.

The same could even be said of Scotland, the SNP haven't been able to transfer their success in the Scottish Parliamentary elections to Westminster. The SNP vote at the last general election increased by 0.2% less than the Labour vote despite their hugely differing fortunes in the Scottish Parliament. The SNP vote had also dropped in the previous 2 elections despite the Labour votes dropping by almost 5% in 05 and 2.5% in 02. The Lib Dems being the main beneficiaries.

The way the UK elections are I'd be stunned if UKIP gain a seat.

[Glory Lurker]

I don't think UKIP need to be in power to have an effect. The Tories are reacting to UKIP's impact by adopting tougher stances on immigration and Europe just to stave off what - in reality - little UKIP has achieved electorally.

[heretoday]

As far as UKIP are concerned the unemployment line starts just after Mr Farage.

He is in fact the only notable thing about UKIP.

[Hibrandenburg]

Since the Labour Party overtook the Liberals in the 20s only 2 parties have held majority government.

Contemporary British politics has been dominated by 3 parties and since the 20s it's been to all intents and purposes a 2 party state.

I think you're safe to stay. The UKIP 'threat' is like the BNP hysteria that went around a few years back when they won a sizeable number of council seats and performed well in a few by elections. That particular party is dying on it's erse.

The same could even be said of Scotland, the SNP haven't been able to transfer their success in the Scottish Parliamentary elections to Westminster. The SNP vote at the last general election increased by 0.2% less than the Labour vote despite their hugely differing fortunes in the Scottish Parliament. The SNP vote had also dropped in the previous 2 elections despite the Labour votes dropping by almost 5% in 05 and 2.5% in 02. The Lib Dems being the main beneficiaries.

The way the UK elections are I'd be stunned if UKIP gain a seat.

That was probably the naive belief of the liberal party up until the status quo was broken in the 1920's.

[Pretty Boy]

That was probably the naive belief of the liberal party up until the status quo was broken in the 1920's.

Oranges and apples really.

The 1st election with anything resembling universal suffrage wasn't held until 1918. The 1st election with 'everyone' over 21 having the vote was 1929 and saw Labour claim their 1st majority victory. Since 1935 there have been 25 elections and no one has got close to breaking the duopoly.

If you take the 1987 election as an example the Labour vote totally collapsed whilst the Liberal SDP alliance performed well. There was less than 2.5% of the popular vote between their popular vote respectively yet Labour had 209 seats to the SDP/Liberals 23.

At the last election in 2010 UKIP polled considerably more of the popular vote than the Greens or the SNP yet those parties got 1 and 6 seats respectively whilst UKIP didn't even get close. UKIP actually saw a slightly smaller rise in their percentage of the popular vote than the BNP.

To put simply the Lib Dems currently get about 6 million more votes than UKIP, if the last 2 elections are used as a guide, yet get roughly 200 seats less than the 2nd placed party. So even of UKIP increase their vote by millions across the country and not just in their middle English heartland they would still be lucky to limp into 3rd place with about 20 seats.

[Pretty Boy]

It's probably also worth mentioning that according to YouGov the vast majority of UKIP voters are aged 50+ (71%) and are not university educated (87%). Only 46% actually place themselves right of centre.

To carry on their current upward trend they would have to see a massive shift in their voter demographic.

[RyeSloan]

UKIP is not a party in the traditional sense though...it's largely a collection if people with an anti EU stance but very disparate views on everything else.

There is no real party machine and it has very little funding. In someways it is doing surprisingly well considering.

That said I'm sure they are learning that spreading themselves far and wide is not going to get them far....I would expect a back room deal with the Tories in the few seats they have a realistic chance of winning next time around.

In reality they are just the most visible aspect of the fragmentation of the political landscape in the UK...if we has any sort of PR for Westminster the big 2 would be very much smaller.

[Jonnyboy]

UKIP is not a party in the traditional sense though...it's largely a collection if people with an anti EU stance but very disparate views on everything else.

There is no real party machine and it has very little funding. In someways it is doing surprisingly well considering.

That said I'm sure they are learning that spreading themselves far and wide is not going to get them far....I would expect a back room deal with the Tories in the few seats they have a realistic chance of winning next time around.

In reality they are just the most visible aspect of the fragmentation of the political landscape in the UK...if we has any sort of PR for Westminster the big 2 would be very much smaller.

Imagine the following :wink:

Next General Election, neither Labour nor Conservative have an outright majority. Coalition comes the cry. Lib Dems get trashed and lose most of their seats because of all their lies before the last election and failing to gain any credibility following the numerous sex scandal issues. UKIP win enough middle England seats to be in a position to go into coalition

Unlikely I know, but a scary thought nonetheless!

[Beefster]

Imagine the following :wink:

Next General Election, neither Labour nor Conservative have an outright majority. Coalition comes the cry. Lib Dems get trashed and lose most of their seats because of all their lies before the last election and failing to gain any credibility following the numerous sex scandal issues. UKIP win enough middle England seats to be in a position to go into coalition

Unlikely I know, but a scary thought nonetheless!

It's not just unlikely. There is no chance of UKIP winning more seats than any of the SNP, Northern Ireland parties, Plaid or Lib Dems. The probability of them having any meaningful role in any coalition is zero.

You could replace UKIP with BNP or Communist Party of Great Britian in your scenario and it would still be as likely.

[Jonnyboy]

It's not just unlikely. There is no chance of UKIP winning more seats than any of the SNP, Northern Ireland parties, Plaid or Lib Dems. The probability of them having any meaningful role in any coalition is zero.

You could replace UKIP with BNP or Communist Party of Great Britian in your scenario and it would still be as likely.

I know Beefy but I did say imagine :greengrin

[Sylar]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/24/nigel-farage-uk-gun-control-laws-relaxed

What a total trumpet!

[Pretty Boy]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/24/nigel-farage-uk-gun-control-laws-relaxed

What a total trumpet!

Some of the 'policies' in that manifesto are brilliant.

Bringing back proper dress at the theatre.
Making the Circle Line on the tube circular again.
Repaint trains in traditional colours.
Scrapping maternity leave.
Capping the number of foreigners in a football team.

Anyone who votes for these loonies needs their head examined. Just because someone hold interviews whilst downing pints in a 'traditional boozer' doesn't make him the voice of common sense.

[RyeSloan]

Some of the 'policies' in that manifesto are brilliant. Bringing back proper dress at the theatre. Making the Circle Line on the tube circular again. Repaint trains in traditional colours. Scrapping maternity leave. Capping the number of foreigners in a football team. Anyone who votes for these loonies needs their head examined. Just because someone hold interviews whilst downing pints in a 'traditional boozer' doesn't make him the voice of common sense.

To be fair to farange even he said they were drivel.

UKIP are effectively him tho...beyond that there is not very much.

That said I do feel that he deserves se credit for the way he has raised UKIPs profile while essentially working with nothing.

Even if you can't admire the fact that they have only one main policy and even that is somewhat muddled.

As ever in politics it's very easy to shout and lampoon from the sidelines...if and when UKIP ever had an MP elected or gain a local council or the like they would soon unravel pretty quickly I think.