Lets not beat around the bush....

[Cameron1875]

That was bloody murder! One of the worst performances under Terry. I know Butcher says it is baby steps but surely tonight proved there are a few that just aren't cut out to play for us?

Edit: The defence played well to be fair.

[lord bunberry]

That was bloody murder! One of the worst performances of the season easily. I know Butcher says it is baby steps but surely tonight proved there are a few that just aren't cut out to play for us?!

Stop it

[ManBearPig]

Really?! That bad? Either that or your drunk and angry?

[GreenLake]

I saw this differently.

[spike220]

I was pleased how well we competed. This was a high flying Aberdeen team, I thought we could have nicked it and in six months we will be a different prospect again. Aberdeen were kept very quiet. Thought there were a few lovely touches too, Colin's flick on to heff was as good as anything I have seen in the epl this week. Cairney double nutmeg was class too. I am not happy with final score but we stopped them playing their game for 90 mins .

[adhibs]

I thought we were brutal. Not too fussy though, bound to have bad games now and again. if we lose again next week will be a different story though

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Some kind on mechanical wind up mechanism?

[7062]

Thought hibs played well and the game could have went either way. Looked like we were on the verge of picking up a good point before Gollum smashed that shot in.

Even though we got beat I'm encouraged by the performance.

Edit: first half hour they were hardly in our half, should have made that count.

[Hibs07p]

We were good for the first 20 minutes, let aberdeen back into it, and it was pretty even after that. The last 20, we reverted to Fenlon style defending, where the defence were punting the ball out anywhere, and it was landing at the feet of the aberdeen midfield, who then put it back in. At least thats not happening on a regular basis anymore, and I think Butcher wont tolerate it either. It was a game where the teams cancelled each other out for most of the game, with neither keeper being too busy. 53% possession to Aberdeen, 11 shots to 8 on goal, 2 shots to 3 on target, 12 corners to 1.

GGTTH

[BroxburnHibee]

Trolls are out in force eh?

[steakbake]

Simply: we need to improve in front of goal so our chances are actually taken.

[7062]

We were good for the first 20 minutes, let aberdeen back into it, and it was pretty even after that. The last 20, we reverted to Fenlon style defending, where the defence were punting the ball out anywhere, and it was landing at the feet of the aberdeen midfield, who then put it back in. At least thats not happening on a regular basis anymore, and I think Butcher wont tolerate it either. It was a game where the teams cancelled each other out for most of the game, with neither keeper being too busy. 53% possession to Aberdeen, 11 shots to 8 on goal, 2 shots to 3 on target, 12 corners to 1.

GGTTH

Yeah, agree with that. I think we need to keep in mind they'd won 7 out of 8 going into the game and that they're essentially where we want to be in the league. Considering how shan we were earlier in the season and although we left with no points my head isn't down on the back of the result.

When we sign Özil it'll all slot into place...

[Juice-Terry]

We weren't THAT bad. 6/10 performance from the team. Big question though: What's happened with McGivern? He's been awful for months now.... :confused:

[Waxy]

First 20 mins we were really good, after that the sheep took a bit more control. Even game overall, no great chances but won by a freak shot.

[Golden Bear]

It was a step back in time to the pre Butcher era but only a very short one.

The good thing is that the Manager was equally disappointed and there will be no hiding place for players who don't perform.

[Ronniekirk]

That was bloody murder! One of the worst performances under Terry. I know Butcher says it is baby steps but surely tonight proved there are a few that just aren't cut out to play for us?

Edit: The defence played well to be fair.
In the sense that it wasn't an attacking exciting game yes but we weren't out played and we are only a few good players away from being able to push for top 4 I think Whetether we get these players in this month is another question Petrie has to back tell as he was frustrated last night after the game .i always said it was how we reacted after our next defeat that would mark our progress so st mirren game is vital to win and we need to stay in top six .Brining three youngsters on to try and see out the game 0. 0 was always dangerous

[MrSmith]

Trolls are out in force eh?

Exactly what I was thinking ...

[Aldo]

That was bloody murder! One of the worst performances under Terry. I know Butcher says it is baby steps but surely tonight proved there are a few that just aren't cut out to play for us? Edit: The defence played well to be fair.

Did you actually watch the game. We weren't that bad. My opinion mind

[One Day Soon]

Exactly what I was thinking ...

I was thinking that too but with greater acronym use.....

[clerriehibs]

I was pleased how well we competed. This was a high flying Aberdeen team, I thought we could have nicked it and in six months we will be a different prospect again. Aberdeen were kept very quiet. Thought there were a few lovely touches too, Colin's flick on to heff was as good as anything I have seen in the epl this week. Cairney double nutmeg was class too. I am not happy with final score but we stopped them playing their game for 90 mins .

I thought it would play out to a 0-0, which would have been decent up there just now. Unfortunately, Flood fluked it.

However, if you're going to highlight Collins's flick as a sign of quality play, you have to balance that with his fresh-air swipe and his shot in the box that was, quite frankly, brutal.

I wonder if he's ever tried a stint at centre-half? Worked for Gordon Rae.

[Bobo]

It's early days in Butchers tenure but he'll know better than anyone what is needed to get Hibs competing regularly for a top 3 spot.

The squad have improved but there are still some who don't cut it and will be shipped out during the next two transfer windows.

The lack of quality in the wide areas and at fullback positions are pretty obvious but this is not a new thing, it's been the case for some time. We need proven players in these positions not players played out of position or stop-gaps. Can't fault their effort but we need and should be aiming for better.

Terry & Mo will get us sorted but it won't be overnight.

[bandylegs_jLeighton]

I agree that it was one of our poorer performances under Butcher - he said so himself.

In all honesty though I thought it was a decent performance against the 2nd best team in the country, on an amazing run of form, who had a decent home backing.

The fact we nearly got a point playing relatively poorly , and only conceded to a unstoppable strike shows progress in my mind.

We need more quality in attack, and Butcher thankfully realises this and is looking to address that both now and in the summer - whilst trying to get rid of our excess of sitting midfielders.

[DAVE1875]

For me it was summed up quite well by a the guy on 810 MW right after the game: both teams had spells of domination in the first half but the second half belonged to Aberdeen


Hopefully we can sign a striker that isn't **** scared of shooting

[ColintonHibs]

We weren't THAT bad. 6/10 performance from the team. Big question though: What's happened with McGivern? He's been awful for months now.... :confused:

Ive noticed he always overlaps stevenson but his cross into the box is shocking every time and leaves us exposed at the back. Lucky the rest of the back 4 have been solid

[clerriehibs]

It's early days in Butchers tenure but he'll know better than anyone what is needed to get Hibs competing regularly for a top 3 spot.

The squad have improved but there are still some who don't cut it and will be shipped out during the next two transfer windows.

The lack of quality in the wide areas and at fullback positions are pretty obvious but this is not a new thing, it's been the case for some time. We need proven players in these positions not players played out of position or stop-gaps. Can't fault their effort but we need and should be aiming for better.

Terry & Mo will get us sorted but it won't be overnight.

I'm liking Forster at right back. No idea what's up with McGivern, doesn't look half the player he was when he was a loan signing.

[Ray_]

I agree that it was one of our poorer performances under Butcher - he said so himself.

In all honesty though I thought it was a decent performance against the 2nd best team in the country, on an amazing run of form, who had a decent home backing.

The fact we nearly got a point playing relatively poorly , and only conceded to a unstoppable strike shows progress in my mind.

We need more quality in attack, and Butcher thankfully realises this and is looking to address that both now and in the summer - whilst trying to get rid of our excess of sitting midfielders.

The fact we almost got a point doesn't disguise that we played poorly after the first twenty minutes. hearts have gotten six points of Aberdeen. The unstoppable strike was totally avoidable as it was sloppy in the extreme that he was allowed the time to get the shot away.

That said, I have never been so delighted after a defeat and this is because of the reaction of the manager. TB has set certain standards that, after the initial grounding and last night he was far from happy that the team failed to reach those standards after that initial 20 minutes, his body language during the interview, the interview itself and the fact he locked the players in to the dressing room told us that.

To me this bodes extremely well for the future and I am more optimistic than I have been in years. Even the great teams under ET & TM had at times a soft underbelly and we would get defeated from teams that we never should have. I think under TB, once he gets his team as he wants it, the players will be too scared of the consequences should such defeats happen and they will be doing their upmost to prevent it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I didnt see the game, but a 1 - 0 loss away to the the leagues form team aint the end of the world and I'm sure that TB is well aware of what he needs to do to turn near run things into positive results.

I think that understandably folk are reacting to last night more out of frustration than anger at the result. Its a fact that if you take the last 10 minutes out of our last two matches which are traditionally two of the hardest away fixtures in the league we would have a win and a draw and we would all have been delighted at what would have been a frankly unthinkable run of results 6 months ago.

I would agree that we need a quick specialist right back and a proven goal scorer.

The RB position is something we have needed to sort for ages and its time to get the finger out with that TBH.

Proven, in form, strikers cost a fortune so I'm not sure what we can do about that situation. I have high hopes for Cummings, but a bit too soon perhaps.

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think the OP is far of the mark regarding the performance last night. Even Butcher said on BT Sport that he felt last night was a small step back.

Last night highlighted how thin our squad is with the subs we had to make as well.

[Bobo]

I'm liking Forster at right back. No idea what's up with McGivern, doesn't look half the player he was when he was a loan signing.

He's done alright but isn't a fullback and was caught out of position a few times last night. The amount of time and space the Dons had to cross from both sides of the park wasn't good and led to us conceding far too many corners!

[Itsnoteasy]

I'm liking Forster at right back. No idea what's up with McGivern, doesn't look half the player he was when he was a loan signing.

It was the same with Mcpake. When on loan outstanding at times. Sign a contract both have been mediocre IMHO.

[Itsnoteasy]

The fact we almost got a point doesn't disguise that we played poorly after the first twenty minutes. hearts have gotten six points of Aberdeen. The unstoppable strike was totally avoidable as it was sloppy in the extreme that he was allowed the time to get the shot away.

That said, I have never been so delighted after a defeat and this is because of the reaction of the manager. TB has set certain standards that, after the initial grounding and last night he was far from happy that the team failed to reach those standards after that initial 20 minutes, his body language during the interview, the interview itself and the fact he locked the players in to the dressing room told us that.

To me this bodes extremely well for the future and I am more optimistic than I have been in years. Even the great teams under ET & TM had at times a soft underbelly and we would get defeated from teams that we never should have. I think under TB, once he gets his team as he wants it, the players will be too scared of the consequences should such defeats happen and they will be doing their upmost to prevent it. :thumbsup:



Harris should have prevented flood from shooting. TB winnae do a PF and sit in dugoot wi heid in his hans, will say it as it is. Collins is never a striker. We need more pace. When Dons attack they do it at pace and get plenty forward to support. I think we will have to be happy with a top 6 finish this season and kick on for next season.

[judas]

It always pleases me when people with even less footballing knowledge than me make posts.

I think you need to learn more about the game. So, taking baby steps, there's this ball right?!?!........

[Deansy]

'Butcher snaps at 'naughty Hibs'

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/english/butcher-snaps-at-naughty-hibs-after-flood-winner-1-3264538

' Not for the first time in his career Butcher vented his rage inside the away dressing room at Pittodrie'


Lovely stuff, Tel - just what we've needed for years, a manager that boots erchies !!!

[ginger_rice]

The fact we almost got a point doesn't disguise that we played poorly after the first twenty minutes. hearts have gotten six points of Aberdeen. The unstoppable strike was totally avoidable as it was sloppy in the extreme that he was allowed the time to get the shot away.

That said, I have never been so delighted after a defeat and this is because of the reaction of the manager. TB has set certain standards that, after the initial grounding and last night he was far from happy that the team failed to reach those standards after that initial 20 minutes, his body language during the interview, the interview itself and the fact he locked the players in to the dressing room told us that.

To me this bodes extremely well for the future and I am more optimistic than I have been in years. Even the great teams under ET & TM had at times a soft underbelly and we would get defeated from teams that we never should have. I think under TB, once he gets his team as he wants it, the players will be too scared of the consequences should such defeats happen and they will be doing their upmost to prevent it.

:agree::agree: Saved me a lot of time typing that Ray agree totally, remember Montrose for instance??

[Hibercelona]

We gave the ball away too easily, because we tried to get the ball forward too quickly whenever we had possession and surrendered the ball away time and time again.

You can't play that way against Aberdeen at the moment. They're too good defensively to be caught out by long balls and rushed passes.

They may not have had many chances and our defense did well to keep them quiet. But we allowed them to have far too much of the ball in our final 3rd, which ultimately cost us.

What Aberdeen don't like is when a team doesn't rush forward and they spread the ball around in defense and midfield. This forces them to commit more men foward in an attempt to win possession back. That's when you attack them.

[Keith_M]

After many months of patience, I've sadly come to the conclusion that Collins is not, at any point, going to 'come good'. I realise he has actually scored a goal but it hasn't transformed him into a player that looks like solving our striker problems.

I'm sure TB knows this, though, so I hope he can at least find somebody to fit in until the summer transfer window.

[mutley]

You can only play the hand you are dealt. IMHO Butcher has managed to turn around a team that he inherited, a s do far has done a damn fine job in doing so. I still think that it is a slow work in progress( baby steps as RB himself says) and it will take a bit more than the January window to solve.

If we can keep the spot we have in the top 6, I'll see that as an improvement. Lets just see what bit of business is conducted by the end if this window followed by the rest of this season ( with a bit of luck a decent cup run) a d let TB MM and SM see what try can set up for next season.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

From what i saw i thought hibs played very well ....it was just a case of 2 teams cancelling each other out...it was a game that only a wonder goal would win and unfortunately it wasn't for us

[Brightside]

Collins works hard but when he is getting a sniff he's not sharp enough. Heff also struggling for fitness. We don't get many chances and we really need someone who can put them away.

[Ray_]

After many months of patience, I've sadly come to the conclusion that Collins is not, at any point, going to 'come good'. I realise he has actually scored a goal but it hasn't transformed him into a player that looks like solving our striker problems.

I'm sure TB knows this, though, so I hope he can at least find somebody to fit in until the summer transfer window.

To me he causes a lot of problems for the opposition and our problem has been in and around him when in the opposition box, our players are too frantic and too eager to pull the trigger, an accurate finisher with calm head will work wonders, having such a player would help the team in general by taking the pressure off and allowing the others to relax a bit more when they get in to positions.

[silverhibee]

We weren't THAT bad. 6/10 performance from the team. Big question though: What's happened with McGivern? He's been awful for months now.... :confused:

Never been the same since he picked up a injury at the end of last season.

[Bishop Hibee]

The interview for Hibs tv on youtube with Butcher summed it up perfectly. The defence ws good but not enough quality in the decision making, crossing etc from midfield and forwards.

As I've posted before, I'm not a big fan of Butcher's tactics but they are effective and will be more so when he brings his own players in.

[silverhibee]

Did you actually watch the game. We weren't that bad. My opinion mind

We matched them for work rate i thought, and worked very hard in the 2nd half of the game, lost the game to a good strike from Flood, got to say the clearance wasn't the best and we should have tried to close down Flood a bit quicker before he got his shot away.

Hanlon is a different player, outstanding so he was last night, Big Tel has got a bit nastiness in to Paul already, something he has lacked in the past but the manager will show him some tricks of the trade as a CB and he will only get better.

Goal scorer needed, hopefully Boyd if we can get him.

[Aldo]

We matched them for work rate i thought, and worked very hard in the 2nd half of the game, lost the game to a good strike from Flood, got to say the clearance wasn't the best and we should have tried to close down Flood a bit quicker before he got his shot away. Hanlon is a different player, outstanding so he was last night, Big Tel has got a bit nastiness in to Paul already, something he has lacked in the past but the manager will show him some tricks of the trade as a CB and he will only get better. Goal scorer needed, hopefully Boyd if we can get him.

Well said that man. Paul Hanlon was immense last nite and as I mention the game had nil nil written all over it until Floods strike. We got caught a bit flat footed after the clearance. That aside we lacked in the final 3rd and need another Striker and some pace.

We will hopefully see 1or 2 in before the window slams shut.