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Ozyhibby
05-01-2014, 05:10 PM
Wasn't at the game but sounds like the lack of the full three days rest that footballers need is what has hurt us today.
Hopefully we have not picked up the muscle injuries that usually happen when players are not rested properly.
Still a decent away point.
TBGAWA

Keith_M
05-01-2014, 05:13 PM
Let's not become all Ally McCoist here.

:wink:

Just poor defending at the end

Del Boy
05-01-2014, 05:14 PM
Think the fact utd had an extra days rest would have had an impact in last 20 mins.

cabbageandribs1875
05-01-2014, 05:14 PM
i mentioned yesterday about the united players having an extra 24 hours rest :agree: i think we lost our puff the last 10 mins

Ozyhibby
05-01-2014, 05:25 PM
Let's not become all Ally McCoist here.

:wink:

Just poor defending at the end

I'm not really complaining as Xmas is always a difficult schedule and there is a good chance Rod was happy to move the yams game to the 2nd to save money.
It happens all across Europe when teams play midweek they usually perform at a lower level on the following weekend.

HiBremian
05-01-2014, 05:28 PM
Of the 4 teams that played on Thursday, we were the only one to take any points today. :agree:

StarMan10
05-01-2014, 05:38 PM
Robertson's injury against Hearts was cramp. Whilst i'm glad we have a settled lineup, can see how a few of the players would be feeling a bit leggy.

Ozyhibby
05-01-2014, 05:56 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/dropped-points-the-true-price-of-a-european-place-revealed-7723277.html

Article here.

TheFamous1875
05-01-2014, 06:45 PM
Could've maybe went a bit more defensive, especially after they scored. Tudor Jones for Heffernan wasn't a good shout, I don't think. He's a constant threat, and although he must've been tiring, there's the back four which is more important when you're holding on to a victory in the nigh minutes of a match. Maybe Tudor Jones for Cairney, going to a midfield 3? Might have been a shout to take either McGivern or Nelson off for Maybury, shuffle Forster back into CB to have some fresh legs at the back for stability.

The team was bound to tire, but maybe Butcher wanted to see if his men still had it in them to take it all the way. From the sounds of it, they nearly did!

Onwards and upwards. The change so far has been night and day!


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Itsnoteasy
05-01-2014, 07:28 PM
Wasn't at the game but sounds like the lack of the full three days rest that footballers need is what has hurt us today.
Hopefully we have not picked up the muscle injuries that usually happen when players are not rested properly.
Still a decent away point.
TBGAWA

What a load of tosh. These guys are professional athletes. Dinnae hear andy murray moaning after a 3 hour match then having to play 2/3 days later

TheFamous1875
05-01-2014, 07:38 PM
What a load of tosh. These guys are professional athletes. Dinnae hear andy murray moaning after a 3 hour match then having to play 2/3 days later

You're quite right, but unfortunately being a world class athlete at the pinnacle of your sport, and being a Scottish football player are miles apart when it comes to attitudes towards fitness.

Andy Murray has his own training base in Miami, whereas we've got a no bad hut in East Lothian, and we're lucky to have that. Andy Murray will have his own dieticians, psychologists and personal trainers. His level of sport requires much more dedication and application, whereas our game in this country hasn't yet evolved in tandem with the rest of world sports.

Hopefully Butcher can make moves in this direction, as he's at a bigger club now, and we can always do better. Maybe not to Murray's level, but we can always be fitter, we can always be more dedicated.


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Billy Whizz
05-01-2014, 07:41 PM
Terry actually spoke about this on his post match interview. He said that the United game worried him the most, as it had just come a derby a few days earlier, and all that emotion that possibly drained the players

Mikey09
05-01-2014, 07:45 PM
Pretty much my 1st proper post. Its no excuse in my opinion. Ice hockey team I watch, after tonights game will have played 6 games in 11 days. Over the busy festive period it simply comes down to strength of squad. just my opinion tho!!! :aok:

Seveno
05-01-2014, 07:47 PM
Our players work incredibly hard and, for me, they clearly tired with 10 minutes to go. Collins, for instance, ran his legs off but was completely done at the end.

People that compare tennis with football are talking nonsense. For a start, when did Andy Murray ever have to ride a sliding tackle ?

Eternal Hibbie
05-01-2014, 07:51 PM
Our game now under TB is all about effort as the man himself says, probably more so than any other team.

They have done well over the festive period, most of us would have settled for a draw before the game today, five days before our next game to give them a wee breather and hopefully a win.

Haymaker
05-01-2014, 07:53 PM
What a load of tosh. These guys are professional athletes. Dinnae hear andy murray moaning after a 3 hour match then having to play 2/3 days later

Not tosh at all. In fact it is very well documented and you can make a decent wedge betting on draws/defeats because of it.

Top tennis stars are locked into a competition. The moment they step off the court their recovery program starts and everything is set out to take the athlete down, recover and build up for the next game. They then have time off between tournaments - footballers are locked in from August to May with a varying schedule which makes it even more difficult to plan for.

Todays result simply shows we needed to rotate our squad for the next game.

davhibby
05-01-2014, 07:54 PM
Everyone ran themselves into the ground today and in the last 10/15 mins many were tiring, the slightly fresher legs of United helped them over the line to grab a point which they didn't really deserve. Saying that, we maybe should have had the game over by then

RoYO!
05-01-2014, 07:55 PM
What a load of tosh. These guys are professional athletes. Dinnae hear andy murray moaning after a 3 hour match then having to play 2/3 days later

You actually do hear tennis players make reference to this. The way they alternate matches during a slam, the top rank player will get an extra days rest prior to a final. Recovery time will affect all athletes at all levels

Mikey09
05-01-2014, 08:31 PM
Not tosh at all. In fact it is very well documented and you can make a decent wedge betting on draws/defeats because of it.

Top tennis stars are locked into a competition. The moment they step off the court their recovery program starts and everything is set out to take the athlete down, recover and build up for the next game. They then have time off between tournaments - footballers are locked in from August to May with a varying schedule which makes it even more difficult to plan for.

Todays result simply shows we needed to rotate our squad for the next game.

I just think pro football players dont take recovery seriously enough. You are spot on when you say Andy Murray for example starts his recovery asap. And not just rest.... Ice baths, intense massage, stretching and so on. His training program is designed for him to cope with lots of matches in a short time period. Personally I think footballers do the minimum required to get them through.

JimBHibees
05-01-2014, 08:36 PM
I just think pro football players dont take recovery seriously enough. You are spot on when you say Andy Murray for example starts his recovery asap. And not just rest.... Ice baths, intense massage, stretching and so on. His training program is designed for him to cope with lots of matches in a short time period. Personally I think footballers do the minimum required to get them through.

Tennis and football are massively different sports. Players are playing on soft pitches and muscles are getting battered in challenges. United had a physical advantage however we should have held out.

O'Rourke3
05-01-2014, 08:39 PM
I just think pro football players dont take recovery seriously enough. You are spot on when you say Andy Murray for example starts his recovery asap. And not just rest.... Ice baths, intense massage, stretching and so on. His training program is designed for him to cope with lots of matches in a short time period. Personally I think footballers do the minimum required to get them through.

I agree with this up to a point - that footballers don't take it as seriously especially in Scotland. Today the Hibs team would have been in a small uncomfortable dressing room and then have to make a 60 mile bus journey home. Tennis players will live within a 10 minute cab ride straight to a 5 star hotel when the recovery will start. Ice baths in the away dressing room for 14 players? Unlikely. Be surprised if the Hibs team weren't doing warm downs though or have they fallen out of fashion?

Haymaker
05-01-2014, 08:40 PM
I just think pro football players dont take recovery seriously enough. You are spot on when you say Andy Murray for example starts his recovery asap. And not just rest.... Ice baths, intense massage, stretching and so on. His training program is designed for him to cope with lots of matches in a short time period. Personally I think footballers do the minimum required to get them through.

I agree to some extent however I would say that the lack of facilities is a major problem - Your example of an Ice Bath, they are expensive to run and you would need several for a full football team. Places like United, City or Barcelona etc can have them no problem but could you see Dundee Utd, Killie or even Hibs spend that much on ice baths? Again with massages you would need a few fully qualified people who cost a bloody fortune... Its another expense most clubs cant or wont pay for.

Andy Murray et al would need one personal physio and he is away. To get the dedicated treatment like that to a football team would cost a fortune!

Money, money, money.

Mikey09
05-01-2014, 09:01 PM
I agree to some extent however I would say that the lack of facilities is a major problem - Your example of an Ice Bath, they are expensive to run and you would need several for a full football team. Places like United, City or Barcelona etc can have them no problem but could you see Dundee Utd, Killie or even Hibs spend that much on ice baths? Again with massages you would need a few fully qualified people who cost a bloody fortune... Its another expense most clubs cant or wont pay for.

Andy Murray et al would need one personal physio and he is away. To get the dedicated treatment like that to a football team would cost a fortune!

Money, money, money.

You are spot on my friend. It comes down to money. And I agree Murray and other individual elite athletes can afford this as its only them but surely clubs could prepare for this over the busy festive period?? They get the fixtures in the summer. Wouldnt it even be worth a shot??I for one would love to hear that Terry had the players in doing a Murrayesque type of recovery over this busy time. But you are right, its an expense most clubs wouldnt contemplate. Shame.

Haymaker
05-01-2014, 09:08 PM
You are spot on my friend. It comes down to money. And I agree Murray and other individual elite athletes can afford this as its only them but surely clubs could prepare for this over the busy festive period?? They get the fixtures in the summer. Wouldnt it even be worth a shot??I for one would love to hear that Terry had the players in doing a Murrayesque type of recovery over this busy time. But you are right, its an expense most clubs wouldnt contemplate. Shame.

I would expect we would have someone in, IIRC didn't JC have a specialist come in every month or so? If we cant have a permanent one then this might be the way forward.

heretoday
05-01-2014, 09:17 PM
I'm not complaining. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Mikey09
05-01-2014, 09:23 PM
I would expect we would have someone in, IIRC didn't JC have a specialist come in every month or so? If we cant have a permanent one then this might be the way forward.

Im a massive fan of Andy Murray. Read a lot about him and I honestly think our club should be looking at this kid and the way he has worked for his success and adapt it, tweak it, do whatever it takes and implicate this to the academy. Cant do any harm. Speak to his brother as he has a role at Hibs just now.