Jonnyboy
25-12-2013, 08:45 PM
Anyone who lived through those halcyon days will agree that the line up of Herriot, Brownlie and Schaedler, Stanton, Black and Blackley, Edwards, O'Rourke, Gordon, Cropley and Duncan were the team christened Turnbull's Tornadoes. It's all the more surprising therefore that the eleven named only lined up 22 times as a team! With that in mind I thought it might be interesting to see the variations from their first game together on 23 August 1972 until the transfer out of Jim Herriot meant they would never line up as that eleven again.
Of course the leg break to John Brownlie and the absurdly long suspension handed down to Mickey Edwards meant that the eleven were not always available. Even then, however, Turnbull used other players even when some of the original eleven were still available for selection. Another factor is that after his horrendous performance in Split, Jim Herriot never played for Hibs again.
With apologies for the length of the post, I've detailed below all of Hibs' results from 23 August 1972 until the last game of that season on 28 April 1973. Those games in italics represent those the eleven played in. As a unit, that eleven won 18, drew 2 and lost 2 scoring 71 goals and conceding 22. All of this information came courtesy of the fantastic website http://www.fitbastats.com/hibs/
23/8/72 v Aberdeen at home in the league cup; won 2-1 Sub was Johnny Hamilton. Goals O’Rourke and Cropley
26/8/72 v Queens Park away in the league cup; won 1-0 Alan Gordon scored. John Hazel replaced Cropley in starting line up
30/8/72 v Queen of the South away in the league cup; won 3-1 Blackley, Gordon and Duncan. Tony Higgins replaced Jimmy O’Rourke in the starting line up.
2/9/72 v Aberdeen away in the league; lost 1-0. John Hazel replaced Jimmy O’Rourke in the starting line up. Billy McEwan was on the bench
9/9/72 v Hearts at home in the league; won 2-0 Stanton and Cropley
13/9/72 v Sporting Lisbon away in the cup winners cup; lost 2-1 Duncan
16/9/72 v East Fife away in the league; won 1-0 Gordon
20/9/72 v Dundee Utd away in the league cup; won 5-2 O’Rourke 3 Cropley 2
23/9/72 v Dundee Utd at home in the league; won 3-1 Gordon 2 + o.g. Johnny Hamilton on the bench
27/9/72 v Sporting Lisbon at home in the cup winners cup; won 6-1 O’Rourke 3, Gordon 2 and o.g.
30/9/72 v St Johnstone at home in the league; won 3-2 O’Rourke 2 Gordon. Billy McEwan replaced John Blackley in the starting line up. Johnny Hamilton was on the bench
4/10/72 v Dundee Utd at home in the league cup; drew 0-0. Johnny Hamilton replaced Blackley in the starting line up.
7/10/72 v Dundee away in the league; lost 1-0.
11/10/72 v Airdrie away in the league cup; won 6-2 Brownlie 2, Duncan 3 and O’Rourke pen.
14/10/72 v Airdrie at home in the league; won 5-2 O’Rourke 3 (1pen), Gordon and Duncan
21/10/72 v Partick Thistle away in the league; won 3-1 Gordon 2 and Duncan
25/10/72 v FC Besa at home in the cup winners cup; won 7-1 Brownlie, O’Rourke 3, Cropley and Duncan 2.
28/10/72 v Dumbarton away in the league; drew 2-2 Gordon and Duncan. Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
1/11/72 v Airdrie at home in the league cup; won 4-1 Stanton, Edwards and O’Rourke 2. Bobby Robertson replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
4/11/72 v Kilmarnock at home in the league; won 4-1 Stanton 2, O’Rourke and Duncan. Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
8/11/72 v FC Besa away in the cup winners cup; drew 1-1 Gordon. Bobby Robertson was on the bench and came on to replace Jim Herriot.
11/11/72 v Morton away in the league; won 3-0 O’Rourke 3 (2 pens). Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
18/11/72 v Rangers at home in the league; lost 2-1 Stanton. Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up and John Hazel replaced Alan Gordon
22/11/72 v Rangers at Hampden in league cup semi; won 1-0 Brownlie
25/11/72 v Arbroath away in the league; won 3-2 Gordon 2 and Duncan
2/12/72 v Falkirk at home in the league; won 3-0 Stanton, Gordon and Duncan
9/12/72 v Celtic at Hampden in the league cup final; won 2-1 Stanton and O’Rourke. Johnny Hamilton was on the bench.
16/12/72 v Ayr Utd at home in the league; won 8-1 Stanton, O’Rourke 3, Gordon 3 and Cropley
23/12/72 v Celtic away in the league; drew 1-1 Gordon
30/12/72 v Aberdeen at home in the league; won 3-2 Stanton, O’Rourke and Gordon
1/1/73 v Hearts away in the league; won 7-0 O’Rourke 2, Gordon 2, Duncan 2 and Cropley
6/1/73 v East Fife at home in the league; won 1-0 Gordon. Brownlie suffered a leg break and Johnny Hamilton came off the bench
13/1/73 v Dundee Utd away in the league; lost 1-0. Des Bremner replaced John Brownlie and Bobby Smith was on the bench
27/1/73 v Dundee at home in the league; drew 1-1 Gordon. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Tony Higgins replaced Stanton and Johnny Hamilton replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench
3/2/73 v Morton at home in the Scottish cup; won 2-0 Higgins and Cropley. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Higgins replaced Stanton and Hamilton replaced O’Rourke.
10/2/73 v Airdrie away in the league; won 4-0 Gordon 4. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced O’Rourke
21/02/73 v St Johnstone away in the league; won 3-1 Schaedler, Gordon and Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Hamilton replaced Edwards
24/2/73 v Rangers away in the Scottish cup; drew 1-1 Gordon. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Hamilton replaced Edwards
28/2/73 v Rangers at home in Scottish cup replay; lost 2-1 Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Hamilton replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
3/3/73 v Dumbarton at home in the league; won 5-0 Hamilton, Gordon, Cropley 2 and Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Hamilton replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench.
7/3/73 v Hajduk Split at home in the cup winners cup; won 4-2 Gordon 3 and Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
10/3/73 v Kilmarnock away in the league, drew 2-2 Stanton and Higgins. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Hamilton replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
13/3/73 v Partick Thistle at home in the league; won 2-0 O’Rourke and Cropley pen. Billy McEwan replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced Edwards
17/3/73 at home to Morton in the league; won 2-1 Higgins and Gordon. Billy McEwan replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced Edwards
21/3/73 away to Hajduk Split in the cup winners cup; lost 3-0. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench alongside Bobby Smith
24/3/73 away to Rangers in the league; lost 1-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, McEwan replaced Schaedler, Smith replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
31/3/73 at home to Arbroath in the league; drew 0-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, McEwan replaced Schaedler, Smith replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench.
7/4/73 away to Falkirk in the league; lost 1-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, and Higgins replaced Edwards.
10/4/73 away to Motherwell in the league; drew 1-1 Higgins. McArthur replaced Herriot, McEwan replaced Brownlie, Higgins replaced Blackley and Smith replaced O’Rourke.
14/4/73 v Motherwell at home in the league; lost 1-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Tam Stevens replaced Brownlie, Higgins replaced Blackley, Smith replaced O’Rourke and Hazel replaced Duncan.
21/4/73 away to Ayr Utd in the league; drew 1-1 O’Rourke. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, Derek Spalding replaced Blackley and Smith replaced Cropley.
28/4/73 at home to Celtic in the league; lost 3-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie and Spalding replaced Blackley.
Of course the leg break to John Brownlie and the absurdly long suspension handed down to Mickey Edwards meant that the eleven were not always available. Even then, however, Turnbull used other players even when some of the original eleven were still available for selection. Another factor is that after his horrendous performance in Split, Jim Herriot never played for Hibs again.
With apologies for the length of the post, I've detailed below all of Hibs' results from 23 August 1972 until the last game of that season on 28 April 1973. Those games in italics represent those the eleven played in. As a unit, that eleven won 18, drew 2 and lost 2 scoring 71 goals and conceding 22. All of this information came courtesy of the fantastic website http://www.fitbastats.com/hibs/
23/8/72 v Aberdeen at home in the league cup; won 2-1 Sub was Johnny Hamilton. Goals O’Rourke and Cropley
26/8/72 v Queens Park away in the league cup; won 1-0 Alan Gordon scored. John Hazel replaced Cropley in starting line up
30/8/72 v Queen of the South away in the league cup; won 3-1 Blackley, Gordon and Duncan. Tony Higgins replaced Jimmy O’Rourke in the starting line up.
2/9/72 v Aberdeen away in the league; lost 1-0. John Hazel replaced Jimmy O’Rourke in the starting line up. Billy McEwan was on the bench
9/9/72 v Hearts at home in the league; won 2-0 Stanton and Cropley
13/9/72 v Sporting Lisbon away in the cup winners cup; lost 2-1 Duncan
16/9/72 v East Fife away in the league; won 1-0 Gordon
20/9/72 v Dundee Utd away in the league cup; won 5-2 O’Rourke 3 Cropley 2
23/9/72 v Dundee Utd at home in the league; won 3-1 Gordon 2 + o.g. Johnny Hamilton on the bench
27/9/72 v Sporting Lisbon at home in the cup winners cup; won 6-1 O’Rourke 3, Gordon 2 and o.g.
30/9/72 v St Johnstone at home in the league; won 3-2 O’Rourke 2 Gordon. Billy McEwan replaced John Blackley in the starting line up. Johnny Hamilton was on the bench
4/10/72 v Dundee Utd at home in the league cup; drew 0-0. Johnny Hamilton replaced Blackley in the starting line up.
7/10/72 v Dundee away in the league; lost 1-0.
11/10/72 v Airdrie away in the league cup; won 6-2 Brownlie 2, Duncan 3 and O’Rourke pen.
14/10/72 v Airdrie at home in the league; won 5-2 O’Rourke 3 (1pen), Gordon and Duncan
21/10/72 v Partick Thistle away in the league; won 3-1 Gordon 2 and Duncan
25/10/72 v FC Besa at home in the cup winners cup; won 7-1 Brownlie, O’Rourke 3, Cropley and Duncan 2.
28/10/72 v Dumbarton away in the league; drew 2-2 Gordon and Duncan. Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
1/11/72 v Airdrie at home in the league cup; won 4-1 Stanton, Edwards and O’Rourke 2. Bobby Robertson replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
4/11/72 v Kilmarnock at home in the league; won 4-1 Stanton 2, O’Rourke and Duncan. Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
8/11/72 v FC Besa away in the cup winners cup; drew 1-1 Gordon. Bobby Robertson was on the bench and came on to replace Jim Herriot.
11/11/72 v Morton away in the league; won 3-0 O’Rourke 3 (2 pens). Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up.
18/11/72 v Rangers at home in the league; lost 2-1 Stanton. Jim McArthur replaced Jim Herriot in the starting line up and John Hazel replaced Alan Gordon
22/11/72 v Rangers at Hampden in league cup semi; won 1-0 Brownlie
25/11/72 v Arbroath away in the league; won 3-2 Gordon 2 and Duncan
2/12/72 v Falkirk at home in the league; won 3-0 Stanton, Gordon and Duncan
9/12/72 v Celtic at Hampden in the league cup final; won 2-1 Stanton and O’Rourke. Johnny Hamilton was on the bench.
16/12/72 v Ayr Utd at home in the league; won 8-1 Stanton, O’Rourke 3, Gordon 3 and Cropley
23/12/72 v Celtic away in the league; drew 1-1 Gordon
30/12/72 v Aberdeen at home in the league; won 3-2 Stanton, O’Rourke and Gordon
1/1/73 v Hearts away in the league; won 7-0 O’Rourke 2, Gordon 2, Duncan 2 and Cropley
6/1/73 v East Fife at home in the league; won 1-0 Gordon. Brownlie suffered a leg break and Johnny Hamilton came off the bench
13/1/73 v Dundee Utd away in the league; lost 1-0. Des Bremner replaced John Brownlie and Bobby Smith was on the bench
27/1/73 v Dundee at home in the league; drew 1-1 Gordon. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Tony Higgins replaced Stanton and Johnny Hamilton replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench
3/2/73 v Morton at home in the Scottish cup; won 2-0 Higgins and Cropley. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Higgins replaced Stanton and Hamilton replaced O’Rourke.
10/2/73 v Airdrie away in the league; won 4-0 Gordon 4. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced O’Rourke
21/02/73 v St Johnstone away in the league; won 3-1 Schaedler, Gordon and Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Hamilton replaced Edwards
24/2/73 v Rangers away in the Scottish cup; drew 1-1 Gordon. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Hamilton replaced Edwards
28/2/73 v Rangers at home in Scottish cup replay; lost 2-1 Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Hamilton replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
3/3/73 v Dumbarton at home in the league; won 5-0 Hamilton, Gordon, Cropley 2 and Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Hamilton replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench.
7/3/73 v Hajduk Split at home in the cup winners cup; won 4-2 Gordon 3 and Duncan. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
10/3/73 v Kilmarnock away in the league, drew 2-2 Stanton and Higgins. Bremner replaced Brownlie, Hamilton replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
13/3/73 v Partick Thistle at home in the league; won 2-0 O’Rourke and Cropley pen. Billy McEwan replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced Edwards
17/3/73 at home to Morton in the league; won 2-1 Higgins and Gordon. Billy McEwan replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced Edwards
21/3/73 away to Hajduk Split in the cup winners cup; lost 3-0. Bremner replaced Brownlie and Higgins replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench alongside Bobby Smith
24/3/73 away to Rangers in the league; lost 1-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, McEwan replaced Schaedler, Smith replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke.
31/3/73 at home to Arbroath in the league; drew 0-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, McEwan replaced Schaedler, Smith replaced Edwards and Higgins replaced O’Rourke who was on the bench.
7/4/73 away to Falkirk in the league; lost 1-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, and Higgins replaced Edwards.
10/4/73 away to Motherwell in the league; drew 1-1 Higgins. McArthur replaced Herriot, McEwan replaced Brownlie, Higgins replaced Blackley and Smith replaced O’Rourke.
14/4/73 v Motherwell at home in the league; lost 1-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Tam Stevens replaced Brownlie, Higgins replaced Blackley, Smith replaced O’Rourke and Hazel replaced Duncan.
21/4/73 away to Ayr Utd in the league; drew 1-1 O’Rourke. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie, Derek Spalding replaced Blackley and Smith replaced Cropley.
28/4/73 at home to Celtic in the league; lost 3-0. McArthur replaced Herriot, Bremner replaced Brownlie and Spalding replaced Blackley.