What a Disgusting and Sordid End (Lostprophets)

[Sylar]

I'll confess to being a little bit gutted today at the news that Ian Watkins has now plead guilty to 13 charges of sex offenses, including attempting to rape a baby.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25108439

I grew up during the era when the Lostprophets were emerging and from when The Fake Sound of Progress was released (2000), I'd been a huge fan ever since.

I own all of their records, I've seen them live countless times and I've met them post-concert (minus Watkins himself and now I hate to think why).

When these charges were initially announced, I (like most Prophets fans probably) was quite stunned and hoped it was all false or part of some horrible smear campaign. When the trial started, he was vocally very strong in his maintaining of innocence and I still listened to them, clinging to the hope that it was false.

However, today, the odious ******* has admitted his guilt and now awaits sentencing, almost 2 months after the rest of the band announced their separation. It wouldn't surprise me in all honesty if he's found dead in his cell or is on the end of an extremely violent assault as people like him won't get it easy on the inside.

Whist I'm aware the loss of the band is the smallest of consequences and considerations in this whole sordid affair, I'm gutted that this completely heinous individual, who was behind some of the albums which defined my growing up, has now rendered me unable to listen to them anymore without feeling downright filthy.

Guess I know how the Gary Glitter generation felt now.

[Jonnyboy]

I'll confess to being a little bit gutted today at the news that Ian Watkins has now plead guilty to 13 charges of sex offenses, including attempting to rape a baby.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25108439

I grew up during the era when the Lostprophets were emerging and from when The Fake Sound of Progress was released (2000), I'd been a huge fan ever since.

I own all of their records, I've seen them live countless times and I've met them post-concert (minus Watkins himself and now I hate to think why).

When these charges were initially announced, I (like most Prophets fans probably) was quite stunned and hoped it was all false or part of some horrible smear campaign. When the trial started, he was vocally very strong in his maintaining of innocence and I still listened to them, clinging to the hope that it was false.

However, today, the odious ******* has admitted his guilt and now awaits sentencing, almost 2 months after the rest of the band announced their separation. It wouldn't surprise me in all honesty if he's found dead in his cell or is on the end of an extremely violent assault as people like him won't get it easy on the inside.

Whist I'm aware the loss of the band is the smallest of consequences and considerations in this whole sordid affair, I'm gutted that this completely heinous individual, who was behind some of the albums which defined my growing up, has now rendered me unable to listen to them anymore without feeling downright filthy.

Guess I know how the Gary Glitter generation felt now.

Couldn't believe what I was reading when I caught this on the BBC website.

Lock him up and throw away the key

[brian6-2]

Horrible and vile man. Death penalty is to good for folk like this.

[lapsedhibee]

Horrible and vile man. Death penalty is to good for folk like this.

He's a bad man. What sort of fate do you think would be more appropriate than the death penalty?

[brian6-2]

He's a bad man. What sort of fate do you think would be more appropriate than the death penalty?

Probably torturing the rat before subjecting him to the death penalty.

[lapsedhibee]

Probably torturing the rat before subjecting him to the death penalty.

What sort though? Waterboarding or something more offence-specific, like electrodes on the goolies? :dunno:

[brian6-2]

What sort though? Waterboarding or something more offence-specific, like electrodes on the goolies? :dunno:

Im sure there would be a decent sized line of folk waiting to give him any kind of treatment.

the guys a ****bag who deserves the worst.

instead he will be handed a pishy jail term in a cushy cell with 24hr protection with all mod cons only to be let back onto the streets in a few years time to spend his fortunes.

[Aldo]

What sort though? Waterboarding or something more offence-specific, like electrodes on the goolies? :dunno:

Start by castrating the ****er. Dirty filthy lowlife **** of the earth.... Hopefully he'll be 'Got At' in the jail.

[brian6-2]

Start by castrating the ****er. Dirty filthy lowlife **** of the earth.... Hopefully he'll be 'Got At' in the jail.

fingers well and trully crossed that happens. :agree:

[yeezus.]

I'll confess to being a little bit gutted today at the news that Ian Watkins has now plead guilty to 13 charges of sex offenses, including attempting to rape a baby.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25108439

I grew up during the era when the Lostprophets were emerging and from when The Fake Sound of Progress was released (2000), I'd been a huge fan ever since.

I own all of their records, I've seen them live countless times and I've met them post-concert (minus Watkins himself and now I hate to think why).

When these charges were initially announced, I (like most Prophets fans probably) was quite stunned and hoped it was all false or part of some horrible smear campaign. When the trial started, he was vocally very strong in his maintaining of innocence and I still listened to them, clinging to the hope that it was false.

However, today, the odious ******* has admitted his guilt and now awaits sentencing, almost 2 months after the rest of the band announced their separation. It wouldn't surprise me in all honesty if he's found dead in his cell or is on the end of an extremely violent assault as people like him won't get it easy on the inside.

Whist I'm aware the loss of the band is the smallest of consequences and considerations in this whole sordid affair, I'm gutted that this completely heinous individual, who was behind some of the albums which defined my growing up, has now rendered me unable to listen to them anymore without feeling downright filthy.

Guess I know how the Gary Glitter generation felt now.

Felt a bit gutted as well mate, listened to them quite a bit growing up.

[Aldo]

fingers well and trully crossed that happens. :agree:

Yip I really hope he suffers BUT (and there's always a BUT) **** like that are usually kept in their own special wing.

The guy better make the most of his surroundings cos when he gets out his life will be hell on earth. (That's if he can handle the pokie and doesn't do himself in!)

[brian6-2]

Yip I really hope he suffers BUT (and there's always a BUT) **** like that are usually kept in their own special wing.

The guy better make the most of his surroundings cos when he gets out his life will be hell on earth. (That's if he can handle the pokie and doesn't do himself in!)

Thats the sad thing he'll get all the protection going. :agree:

[MyJo]

An absolutely vile human being, the fact that he is well kent face means he will never get away from this and rightly so. He will get hell in prison and will have nowhere to hide if he does survive.

What makes me shudder to think about is what kind of things he has been getting away with or what his record label have buried for him in the last 10 years while he was more famous and the band making money for them.

[southfieldhibby]

What about the parents who 'gave' him their kids?From brief reading they not allowed him to rape their small children, but did so themselves too, plus made them take heroin and crack and meth.I really do hope they don't take their lifes and suffer years of suffering inside.

My heart goes out to the wee kids, but also the jurors, who must have witnessed some horrific images on that dvd.

[lapsedhibee]

My heart goes out to the wee kids, but also the jurors, who must have witnessed some horrific images on that dvd.

Guilty plea before trial started, I think, so jurors would not have been exposed to that evidence.

[JohnStephens91]

Horrific band, but I feel sorry for the other 5 members who now have a career in music gone down the toilet. It really was a disgusting thing to read, some places have publicised what hasn't been reported: http://www.metalinjection.net/former-lostprophets-frontman-ian-watkins-pleads-guilty-to-attempting-to-rape-a-baby-this-story-gets-weird.html

[Aldo]

What about the parents who 'gave' him their kids?From brief reading they not allowed him to rape their small children, but did so themselves too, plus made them take heroin and crack and meth.I really do hope they don't take their lifes and suffer years of suffering inside. My heart goes out to the wee kids, but also the jurors, who must have witnessed some horrific images on that dvd.


Nowt a ****ing bullet or two would sort IMHO.

They should be sterilised in order to prevent them from having anymore children. They deserve to hang or suffer for a very very long time before they die.

What chance do kids have with so called parents like that.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Horrific band, but I feel sorry for the other 5 members who now have a career in music gone down the toilet. It really was a disgusting thing to read, some places have publicised what hasn't been reported: http://www.metalinjection.net/former-lostprophets-frontman-ian-watkins-pleads-guilty-to-attempting-to-rape-a-baby-this-story-gets-weird.html

I really wish I hadnae clicked on that link. Effin' sad excuses for human beings.:furious:

[Pretty Boy]

I really wish I hadnae clicked on that link. Effin' sad excuses for human beings.:furious:

This. Genuinely felt ill after reading it.

I'm not normally one for advocating vigilante justice but in this instance i can see why people do.

Absolutely vile and disgusting people.

[Sylar]

Horrific band, but I feel sorry for the other 5 members who now have a career in music gone down the toilet. It really was a disgusting thing to read, some places have publicised what hasn't been reported: http://www.metalinjection.net/former-lostprophets-frontman-ian-watkins-pleads-guilty-to-attempting-to-rape-a-baby-this-story-gets-weird.html

This is obviously not the place to debate the merits of how good they were/weren't as a band but like you, I feel sorry for the other members. However, they're all excellent musicians and they should be able to resurrect their own careers in new ventures. Having said that, they might be totally scunnered by music after this whole, sorry saga.

Having read that, much like HutchyHibby, I wish I could unread it. No wonder the mainstream reports are being coy with the details. Some of that is truly nauseating.

I deleted their entire catalog today from my music collection. I tried to listen to my favourite Prophets song last night to see if I could dissociate him from them but being the lead vocalist makes the ****bag so prominent. Totally ruined for me but as I said a bit further up, that's a minimal consequence in this horrible mess.

[Hibbyradge]

Are you advising me not to read that article?

Genuine question.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Its a lot more detailed than anything I'd heard about the case before.

Some horrendous behaviour employed by the "people" at the centre of the trial, its not a pleasant read, but, I'm sure you'll cope.

[Jones28]

Disgusting.

[JJP]

That is probably the most horrific thing I have ever read. I feel sorry for the rest of his band, who's careers, and possibly their lives, are now ruined because of this animal's actions. I felt sorry for his family too until I read his father's concerns that his son may be remembered as "some sort of Jimmy Savile character." I think the most disturbing aspect of this whole story is how low some of these vile women would go in order to please their favourite pop star. Absolutely mental.

[Pete]

Are you advising me not to read that article?

Genuine question.

I wouldn't read it if you were a fan of theirs. It's pretty sick stuff and while you know that there people out there capable of that, I would find it even more disturbing if it involved someone I admired in some respect.

Your probably best not to. I was warned about the Mexican beheading video and after a few cans I watched a few of them. Thats coming to the grave.

[lapsedhibee]

That is probably the most horrific thing I have ever read. I feel sorry for the rest of his band, who's careers, and possibly their lives, are now ruined because of this animal's actions. I felt sorry for his family too until I read his father's concerns that his son may be remembered as "some sort of Jimmy Savile character." I think the most disturbing aspect of this whole story is how low some of these vile women would go in order to please their favourite pop star. Absolutely mental.

Agree and hope that there's much more general focus in the media on the power of celebrity because of this case. There's whole generations of people now growing up in an atmosphere where popular music and what would until recently have been considered soft porn are inextricably linked, for example. Not good.

[Aldo]

Have been aware of the case but not the full ins and outs.....

For me a crime like that.... Especially against a baby/child..... There should be only one outcome..... Death... A bullet or the **%#er hangs.

Absolute lowlife.... O and the parents deserve the exact same thing. This makes me very very angry.

[Beefster]

Are you advising me not to read that article?

Genuine question.

I read what he (and the two mothers) were up to last night. It's appalling and a bit upsetting. IMHO none of them should ever be getting out.

[jodjam]

Are you advising me not to read that article?

Genuine question.

I stopped reading it part of the way through. Truly horrendous

[stoneyburn hibs]

Based on the comments about the link, I won't click it as it sounds disgusting .

[lapsedhibee]

Based on the comments about the link, I won't click it as it sounds disgusting .

I read it and didn't think it was of a significantly higher level of disgustingness than what had already been reported or hinted at in the mainstream media. A higher level of disgustingness than 'attempted baby rape' would be hard to reach, and I don't think the extra detail included in the link does accomplish that. JMO, obviously.

[Future17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25145096

What a ******* idiot.

[lapsedhibee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25145096

What a ******* idiot.

Celebrity brat does something stupid - not at all surprising. Deeply depressing, however, that she has 160,000 followers. This cult of celebrity thing has got just a tad out of hand.

[Jones28]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25145096

What a ******* idiot.

Doesn't she realise the only people she would hurt are the victims?

[Northernhibee]

It's clearly going to affect the rest of the bands lives as well, lots of comments of "They must have known about it" comments on the web - lots of peoples lives ruined through this.

Hope he never gets out of prison.

[MyJo]

It's clearly going to affect the rest of the bands lives as well, lots of comments of "They must have known about it" comments on the web - lots of peoples lives ruined through this.

Hope he never gets out of prison.

One of the guys in the band has a couple of young kids i believe. Can you imagine how that guy must been feeling knowing what he knows now and thinking back on times where this monster has probably had contact with his kids.

I highly doubt anyone in the band would have turned a blind eye to this kind of depravity.

[lapsedhibee]

One of the guys in the band has a couple of young kids i believe. Can you imagine how that guy must been feeling knowing what he knows now and thinking back on times where this monster has probably had contact with his kids.

I highly doubt anyone in the band would have turned a blind eye to this kind of depravity.

Though hundreds seem to have done with Jimmy Savile's, so you never can tell.

[Northernhibee]

Though hundreds seem to have done with Jimmy Savile's, so you never can tell.

Even still people who aren't linked to the crime in any way should not be facing a lifetime of accusations. Innocent until proven guilty every time.

[Sir David Gray]

I'd rather not read that link. I read the articles on the mainstream media such as Sky and BBC and they were bad enough.

Those alone were some of the most disturbing and sickening things I've ever read.

I don't generally support capital punishment but I'm slowly coming round to the idea that people like him really ought to be put down for crimes like this.

How anyone could seriously think about attempting to rape a baby is beyond my comprehension.

As for the mothers involved, in many ways their crimes are actually worse.

Sadly, due to our liberal sentencing laws, all those involved will be given a minimum sentence to serve and will be eligible for parole after a certain number of years.

People who are capable of committing acts like this barely deserve to breathe, never mind be given the hope of one day being free.

Anything less than life without parole is not enough in my book.

[Pete]

I simply don't agree with these extreme punishments that people deem to be appropriate. What will torture, castration or death for this guy achieve? He suffers and nothing is learned.

This is evil in it's purest and most disturbing form and when faced with it we have to get to the bottom of it. Nobody knows how his mind operates but apparently he used to be a normal guy with normal social habits but years of drugs and power have somehow produced a monster. He became increasingly insular and detached from his band as his "urges" took over.

Looking back, he had the world at his feet and people throwing themselves at him. To go from that to wanting to violate babies must take some leap. Maybe his situation is unique but maybe something about this subject can be learned by finding out the reasons behind his crimes.

I have a certain faith in humanity and I therefore want to find a reason behind this mans way of thinking to maintain it. As a father, I simply don't want to believe that this type of evil spontaneously manifests itself wherever it chooses to.

[Betty Boop]

I simply don't agree with these extreme punishments that people deem to be appropriate. What will torture, castration or death for this guy achieve? He suffers and nothing is learned.

This is evil in it's purest and most disturbing form and when faced with it we have to get to the bottom of it. Nobody knows how his mind operates but apparently he used to be a normal guy with normal social habits but years of drugs and power have somehow produced a monster. He became increasingly insular and detached from his band as his "urges" took over.

Looking back, he had the world at his feet and people throwing themselves at him. To go from that to wanting to violate babies must take some leap. Maybe his situation is unique but maybe something about this subject can be learned by finding out the reasons behind his crimes.

I have a certain faith in humanity and I therefore want to find a reason behind this mans way of thinking to maintain it. As a father, I simply don't want to believe that this type of evil spontaneously manifests itself wherever it chooses to.

:top marks

[Sylar]

I simply don't agree with these extreme punishments that people deem to be appropriate. What will torture, castration or death for this guy achieve? He suffers and nothing is learned.

This is evil in it's purest and most disturbing form and when faced with it we have to get to the bottom of it. Nobody knows how his mind operates but apparently he used to be a normal guy with normal social habits but years of drugs and power have somehow produced a monster. He became increasingly insular and detached from his band as his "urges" took over.

Looking back, he had the world at his feet and people throwing themselves at him. To go from that to wanting to violate babies must take some leap. Maybe his situation is unique but maybe something about this subject can be learned by finding out the reasons behind his crimes.

I have a certain faith in humanity and I therefore want to find a reason behind this mans way of thinking to maintain it. As a father, I simply don't want to believe that this type of evil spontaneously manifests itself wherever it chooses to.

Very eloquent and astute post PD and I agree wholeheartedly :agree:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Study him then put him down, job done.

[Aldo]

Study him then put him down, job done.

Sounds bout right to me.

[Sir David Gray]

I simply don't agree with these extreme punishments that people deem to be appropriate. What will torture, castration or death for this guy achieve? He suffers and nothing is learned.

This is evil in it's purest and most disturbing form and when faced with it we have to get to the bottom of it. Nobody knows how his mind operates but apparently he used to be a normal guy with normal social habits but years of drugs and power have somehow produced a monster. He became increasingly insular and detached from his band as his "urges" took over.

Looking back, he had the world at his feet and people throwing themselves at him. To go from that to wanting to violate babies must take some leap. Maybe his situation is unique but maybe something about this subject can be learned by finding out the reasons behind his crimes.

I have a certain faith in humanity and I therefore want to find a reason behind this mans way of thinking to maintain it. As a father, I simply don't want to believe that this type of evil spontaneously manifests itself wherever it chooses to.

Serious and genuine questions here.

What do you want to get to the bottom of? How are you going to find out the reasons behind why he's done these things?

As I said in my previous post, I am generally opposed to the use of capital punishment and if a vote was held tomorrow as to whether or not it should be reintroduced in this country, I would probably vote against it.

However if someone told me that the people involved in this case were being put to death, I don't think I could honestly form any serious argument against it.

I don't particularly care about understanding his state of mind or trying to find a way of explaining how he turned into the kind of person who would attempt to rape infants.

At the very least, all those involved in this sickening case should be given a sentence which ensures that they are imprisoned for the rest of their natural lives and let the rest of us continue with our lives, safe in the knowledge that the world is a safer place with them locked up.

Ohio had the right idea when they sentenced Ariel Castro earlier this year.

[Pete]

Serious and genuine questions here.

What do you want to get to the bottom of? How are you going to find out the reasons behind why he's done these things?

As I said in my previous post, I am generally opposed to the use of capital punishment and if a vote was held tomorrow as to whether or not it should be reintroduced in this country, I would probably vote against it.

However if someone told me that the people involved in this case were being put to death, I don't think I could honestly form any serious argument against it.

I don't particularly care about understanding his state of mind or trying to find a way of explaining how he turned into the kind of person who would attempt to rape infants.

At the very least, all those involved in this sickening case should be given a sentence which ensures that they are imprisoned for the rest of their natural lives and let the rest of us continue with our lives, safe in the knowledge that the world is a safer place with them locked up.

Ohio had the right idea when they sentenced Ariel Castro earlier this year.

I'm not sure how the medical profession analyses criminals like this but they simply have to. Finding out if there are reasons behind his behaviour will determine what type of punishment is meted out and how, or if, his rehabilitation can begin.
There's also the bigger picture. If factors can be identified they can maybe prevent crimes happening in the future by recognising certain signs or patterns of behaviour. You never know, they might even come across some kind of cure.

These are disgusting crimes and while it's human nature to want appropriate punishment, it's also in us to want to find out what the problem is and how we can fix it. Some might say that is unnecessarily compassionate but it's also self preservation...wanting to make sure we do all we can to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I agree that sentences in general are too soft and I think this is where a lot of the clamour for the death penalty comes from. People say he shouldn't see the light of day again and if he didn't respond to any treatment then I would agree. If he was deemed fit for release then it should only be after a long sentence and under strict supervision for the rest of his life.

I'm not sure anybody gains anything by executing criminals. What do people actually want from a justice system?

[Betty Boop]

I'm not sure how the medical profession analyses criminals like this but they simply have to. Finding out if there are reasons behind his behaviour will determine what type of punishment is meted out and how, or if, his rehabilitation can begin.
There's also the bigger picture. If factors can be identified they can maybe prevent crimes happening in the future by recognising certain signs or patterns of behaviour. You never know, they might even come across some kind of cure.

These are disgusting crimes and while it's human nature to want appropriate punishment, it's also in us to want to find out what the problem is and how we can fix it. Some might say that is unnecessarily compassionate but it's also self preservation...wanting to make sure we do all we can to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I agree that sentences in general are too soft and I think this is where a lot of the clamour for the death penalty comes from. People say he shouldn't see the light of day again and if he didn't respond to any treatment then I would agree. If he was deemed fit for release then it should only be after a long sentence and under strict supervision for the rest of his life.

I'm not sure anybody gains anything by executing criminals. What do people actually want from a justice system?
Going by the comments on this thread, most want revenge.

[Beefster]

[/B]Going by the comments on this thread, most want revenge.

I would imagine most folk want to stop babies being raped.

[Sylar]

29 years behind bars and 6 years extended license was the sentence levied at him today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

Could still be extended further as investigations into further abuse in the UK, USA and Germany are ongoing.

"Mega lolz" indeed Ian, eh?

[Pretty Boy]

Apparently denied being a paedophile in court. Said he only pled guilty so as to avoid a trial.

A hefty sentence that is well deserved imo.

[yeezus.]

29 years behind bars and 6 years extended license was the sentence levied at him today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

Could still be extended further as investigations into further abuse in the UK, USA and Germany are ongoing.

"Mega lolz" indeed Ian, eh?

Did he issue a statement saying that?!?

[Sylar]

Did he issue a statement saying that?!?


He said: "I'm going to put out a statement on the 18th just to say it was mega lolz. I do not know what everybody is getting so freaked out about."Watkins explains in the conversation that he was faced with a choice before pleading guilty. "It was like either I go up there and say: 'Come on it was not that bad. Nobody got hurt,'" or "try to win them over with my charm" and end up saying: "I was off my head and do not remember anything."
Clee said that in a second conversation with the same woman the following day he claimed a lot of what he had said in online conversations was "bull**** chat that I did to shock when I was off my head".

Courtesy of The Guardian.

[Sir David Gray]

29 years behind bars and 6 years extended license was the sentence levied at him today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

Could still be extended further as investigations into further abuse in the UK, USA and Germany are ongoing.

"Mega lolz" indeed Ian, eh?

I suppose that was as much as could have been hoped for.

I still don't see why life without parole isn't an option in cases such as this.

Disappointed in the sentences that the two mothers received. As I said earlier in this thread, to do something like that to your own child is absolutely despicable and in many ways, their crimes are actually worse to contemplate.

I hope the three of them rot in Hell.

[yeezus.]

Courtesy of The Guardian.

Bloody hell, it get's worse. Was listening to Wake Up earlier on, had to turn it off I just feel so let down and disgusted.

[Aldo]

Have been listening to 5 live whilst out and about and his computer had a memory capacity of 27 terra bytes. The retired cop expert put it into perspective and said that it could equate to 27 million images, if they were all approximately 1mega byte.

They are now in touch with homeland security (USA) and other agencies worldwide in an attempt to see/Trace any other victims or the distributors of the images.

Lowlife dirty ******* and **** of the earth.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not sure how the medical profession analyses criminals like this but they simply have to. Finding out if there are reasons behind his behaviour will determine what type of punishment is meted out and how, or if, his rehabilitation can begin.
There's also the bigger picture. If factors can be identified they can maybe prevent crimes happening in the future by recognising certain signs or patterns of behaviour. You never know, they might even come across some kind of cure.

These are disgusting crimes and while it's human nature to want appropriate punishment, it's also in us to want to find out what the problem is and how we can fix it. Some might say that is unnecessarily compassionate but it's also self preservation...wanting to make sure we do all we can to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I agree that sentences in general are too soft and I think this is where a lot of the clamour for the death penalty comes from. People say he shouldn't see the light of day again and if he didn't respond to any treatment then I would agree. If he was deemed fit for release then it should only be after a long sentence and under strict supervision for the rest of his life.

I'm not sure anybody gains anything by executing criminals. What do people actually want from a justice system?

Agreed. The research perspective is, IMO, one of the biggest arguments against the death penalty.

[Pretty Boy]

The metal injection website that was linked on here previously has an update today.

I'm not even linking it because it is honestly the worst thing i have ever read.

Absolute ****.

[yeezus.]

The metal injection website that was linked on here previously has an update today.

I'm not even linking it because it is honestly the worst thing i have ever read.

Absolute ****.

The guy who posted the story on that site said he had to stop reading the report for his "Own sanity". I completely understand why, disgusting doesn't begin to cover it.

[s.a.m]

I heard a woman on the radio who says she was an ex-girlfriend to whom he confessed his intention to rape babies, and that he had had sex with underage fans. She says she went to the police with the information (including, I think she said, names and details), on a number of occasions over several years and none of he allegations were followed up. That's extremely worrying. The failure of various police forces to investigate him is now being investigated.

[Aldo]

I heard a woman on the radio who says she was an ex-girlfriend to whom he confessed his intention to rape babies, and that he had had sex with underage fans. She says she went to the police with the information (including, I think she said, names and details), on a number of occasions over several years and none of he allegations were followed up. That's extremely worrying. The failure of various police forces to investigate him is now being investigated.

The Independant Police Commission are looking into these current allegations/complaints. Absolutely shocking if true and those who neglected to take the appropriate actions should be dealt with in the most serious terms.

They could of prevent the most recent events.

Someone also alluded that the matter wasn't dealt with accordingly due to who he was.

If this is proved to be the case they have failed to protect the vulnerable.

Shocking

[jodjam]

Can't work out why the two mothers still cannot be named. Guessing its to protect their kids in later life.

This whole story is truly horrendous.

[s.a.m]

Can't work out why the two mothers still cannot be named. Guessing its to protect their kids in later life.

This whole story is truly horrendous.

Presumably because it would identify the children, and they have a right to anonymity, both as children and as victims of sexual offences.

[Steve-O]

Can't work out why the two mothers still cannot be named. Guessing its to protect their kids in later life.

This whole story is truly horrendous.

It is 100% to protect the child victims, yes.

[hibsbollah]

In years gone by the media and police would keep the sordid details of a really extremely depraved case like this one away from the headlines. I wish that was still the case. There's really no public interest from some of the graphic detail we've all been exposed to. Sometimes censorship is a good thing, discuss.

[MyJo]

In years gone by the media and police would keep the sordid details of a really extremely depraved case like this one away from the headlines. I wish that was still the case. There's really no public interest from some of the graphic detail we've all been exposed to. Sometimes censorship is a good thing, discuss.

I think because of this monsters profile and his argument that he was just wasted when he did these things making public what he has done including the level of organisation involved and the prolonged periods in which he was carrying out this abuse is to reinforce the fact that he is a dangerous peadophile

[steve75]

Decided to read the report, disgusting stuff in there but not much more than I assumed on original reports.

If you want to read it I will put the link at the bottom of the post.

Pages 1-5 contain the main details of the crimes and are best bypassed as there is nothing extra you need to know here unless you just want to top up your anger towards these individuals.

Page 6 onward is however a fairly interesting read. Presents a lot of detail on the decision behind the sentences given and the character of Watkins and the mothers. However point 25 on page 11 does state one sordid detail.


Interestingly also states that this case would justify an "indeterminate sentence" for Watkins, and with the investigations still ongoing the 35 year sentence could just be a starting point.


Trial report - ONLY CLICK IF YOU REALLY WANT TO (http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-watkins-and-others.pdf)

[.Sean.]

He's the kind of prisoner the wardens will turn a blind eye to when it comes to retribution and rightly so. He's in for a loooooong 30 years. He'll be done in every day. Hopefully it's absolute torture for him. Worse than a murderer. I predict he'll do himself in.

[Steve-O]

Possibly been watching too much TV if you think prison guards do that Sean.

[Allant1981]

Possibly been watching too much TV if you think prison guards do that Sean.

I can assure you some of them do

[Judas Iscariot]

Possibly been watching too much TV if you think prison guards do that Sean.

Or you quite possibly live in a cosy sugary dream world if you think it doesn't happen

The beast will get an absolute hiding in the pokey, nowhere near what he deserves though

[MSK]

Possibly been watching too much TV if you think prison guards do that Sean.And you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think they don't ..

[Steve-O]

I can assure you some of them do


Or you quite possibly live in a cosy sugary dream world if you think it doesn't happen

The beast will get an absolute hiding in the pokey, nowhere near what he deserves though


And you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think they don't ..

Ok then...evidence?

[Judas Iscariot]

Ok then...evidence?

Seen it 1st hand for myself

[MrRobot]

Sickened by the case. Always liked LP. Hadn't made great music recently, just the off song but their first 3 albums were amazing.

First band I ever saw live and I only saw them last year at Warped. Disgusting man. I give him a year tops.