Muslims - Winterval - Christmas no more

[Hibbyradge]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/08/winterval-modern-myth-christmas

[Phil D. Rolls]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/08/winterval-modern-myth-christmas

There was a horrendous thread, on here a couple of Yuletides ago, about Dundee Muslims banning Christmas.

[Onceinawhile]

So they didn't really hold the council up with their muslamic ray guns and force them to change it?

Stunned.

[Aldo]

There was a horrendous thread, on here a couple of Yuletides ago, about Dundee Muslims banning Christmas.

The banning of Xmas/Easter etc or any other festival in this country for fear of upsetting people because of their religion/beliefs is totally and utterly disgraceful IMHO.

I respect other religions and cultures but right now across Europe and the rest of the world towns and cities are preparing for the Xmas festivities. Just back from Berlin and markets being erected everywhere.

We need to get a grip... What next banning showing Xmas trees at your window incase it upsets passersby.

Sorry but this subject really gets my blood boiling.

[Jack]

The banning of Xmas/Easter etc or any other festival in this country for fear of upsetting people because of their religion/beliefs is totally and utterly disgraceful IMHO.

I respect other religions and cultures but right now across Europe and the rest of the world towns and cities are preparing for the Xmas festivities. Just back from Berlin and markets being erected everywhere.

We need to get a grip... What next banning showing Xmas trees at your window incase it upsets passersby.

Sorry but this subject really gets my blood boiling.

I would ban the abbreviation Xmas.

[Aldo]

I would ban the abbreviation Xmas.


Ha ha couldn't be bothered writing Xmas properly. :-)

[Sylar]

There was a horrendous thread, on here a couple of Yuletides ago, about Dundee Muslims banning Christmas.

:agree:

It was 'rebranded' to Winter Light Nights, which was simply an extension of the festival and featured the illumination of some of the buildings with projections, in addition to the turning on of the Christmas Lights and the usual torchlit procession, market etc.

Amazing how easily people's knickers can bunch these days.

[Phil D. Rolls]

The banning of Xmas/Easter etc or any other festival in this country for fear of upsetting people because of their religion/beliefs is totally and utterly disgraceful IMHO.

I respect other religions and cultures but right now across Europe and the rest of the world towns and cities are preparing for the Xmas festivities. Just back from Berlin and markets being erected everywhere.

We need to get a grip... What next banning showing Xmas trees at your window incase it upsets passersby.

Sorry but this subject really gets my blood boiling.

I think that was the whole point of the OPs post. Nobody is banning anything, yet the media and a gullible public are recycling, and adding to old myths, every year.

I mean, what about that fantasy about some Jewish kid having to be born in a stable, because the Muslim hoteliers kept turning his parents away?



:agree:

It was 'rebranded' to Winter Light Nights, which was simply an extension of the festival and featured the illumination of some of the buildings with projections, in addition to the turning on of the Christmas Lights and the usual torchlit procession, market etc.

Amazing how easily people's knickers can bunch these days.

What was horrendous was that it turned out they hadn't banned Christmas at all. A piece of bad reporting failed to mention the big sign at the Caird Hall that said Merry Christmas. It was a prime example of how people don't gather enough facts, or ignore facts that don't support their argument.


Here's how it happens:

Event: Mad woman complains about golly on a mural, gets told to sling her hook by everybody.

Daily Mail : PC goes mad by investigating complaint of possible crime.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2511561/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-If-diversity-squad-dont-elfnsafety-will.html

FFS there is no diversity squad! Nobody agreed with the woman.

[Hibbyradge]

The banning of Xmas/Easter etc or any other festival in this country for fear of upsetting people because of their religion/beliefs is totally and utterly disgraceful IMHO.

I respect other religions and cultures but right now across Europe and the rest of the world towns and cities are preparing for the Xmas festivities. Just back from Berlin and markets being erected everywhere.

We need to get a grip... What next banning showing Xmas trees at your window incase it upsets passersby.

Sorry but this subject really gets my blood boiling.

That's the point of the article, though, Aldo.

It's a myth.

I have never seen Christmas described as anything else than Xmas.

If you think about it, I bet you haven't either, apart from when journalists or politicians complain about it.

[Sylar]

What was horrendous was that it turned out they hadn't banned Christmas at all. A piece of bad reporting failed to mention the big sign at the Caird Hall that said Merry Christmas. It was a prime example of how people don't gather enough facts, or ignore facts that don't support their argument.



Exactly - the programme still had a 'Christmas Light Switch on' and the signs/festivities were all clear in their celebration of the Christian festival.

I found it amusing, in the early stages of the furore, that the Muslim and Jewish representatives of Dundee were perhaps the most vocal in rubbishing the stories and highlighting that they'd be offended if that HAD actually been the case.

[Hibbyradge]

And there's more...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/08/religion.communities

[Phil D. Rolls]

And there's more...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/dec/08/religion.communities

The writers name is Burkeman, surely you can see how much that sounds like burkha man?

[Hibbyradge]

The writers name is Burkeman, surely you can see how much that sounds like burkha man?

:hilarious

[Northernhibee]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/08/winterval-modern-myth-christmas

I've always been of the viewpoint that certain newspaper editors should be charged with inciting racial hatred - there have been so many lies on this subject (and downright, blatant lies) designed to create division between people that IMO it's an open and shut case.

[Betty Boop]

There was a horrendous thread, on here a couple of Yuletides ago, about Dundee Muslims banning Christmas.

One of the classics. :greengrin

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?166817-Christmas-Light-Switch-on-in-Dundee&highlight=Xmas+lights

[Phil D. Rolls]

One of the classics. :greengrin

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?166817-Christmas-Light-Switch-on-in-Dundee&highlight=Xmas+lights

Ashen faced after reading that one. Not a particularly pleasant interchange at all.

[Sylar]

One of the classics. :greengrin

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?166817-Christmas-Light-Switch-on-in-Dundee&highlight=Xmas+lights

That's a mutually consented graveyard :greengrin

Some truly odious exchanges on there.

[Pretty Boy]

One of the classics. :greengrin

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?166817-Christmas-Light-Switch-on-in-Dundee&highlight=Xmas+lights

Jeezo.

Glad i missed that one at the time.

[hibsbollah]

One of the classics. :greengrin

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?166817-Christmas-Light-Switch-on-in-Dundee&highlight=Xmas+lights

How did I miss that one? I'd forgotten about Woody and Arab. What a nice couple of lads.

[Sylar]

How did I miss that one? I'd forgotten about Woody and Arab. What a nice couple of lads.

I don't think she'd have thanked you for that :greengrin

[Betty Boop]

How did I miss that one? I'd forgotten about Woody and Arab. What a nice couple of lads.

Indeed ! :faf: Remember this ? http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?163469-Casual-Racism&highlight=casual+racism Another cracker.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Indeed ! :faf: Remember this ? http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?163469-Casual-Racism&highlight=casual+racism Another cracker.

One of the most enlightening things I heard recently was from Billy Bragg. He was talking about Rock Against Racism and the Anti Nazi League.

In the 70s we weren't fighting to defend a multi cultural Britain, we were fighting to stop repatriation of legal immigrants.

Because so much headway has been made, we sometimes forget why people started to stand up against racism. It's all very well saying that words can't hurt people. In the old days paki and coon, were definitely used to offend.

[Hibrandenburg]

About bloody time too! We'd been celebrating the start of the end of winter for centuries in this part of the world until the bloody Christians came along and spoilt our wee shindig!

:duck:

[hibsbollah]

About bloody time too! We'd been celebrating the start of the end of winter for centuries in this part of the world until the bloody Christians came along and spoilt our wee shindig!

:duck:

:agree: Damn those Christians, coming over here and swamping our local ways with their middle eastern religions.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

One of the most enlightening things I heard recently was from Billy Bragg. He was talking about Rock Against Racism and the Anti Nazi League.

In the 70s we weren't fighting to defend a multi cultural Britain, we were fighting to stop repatriation of legal immigrants.

Because so much headway has been made, we sometimes forget why people started to stand up against racism. It's all very well saying that words can't hurt people. In the old days paki and coon, were definitely used to offend.

.......and honky

[Phil D. Rolls]

.......and honky

Well, that's alright then.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

Well, that's alright then.

Not really.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Not really.

How can we fix this?

[Corstorphine Hibby]

How can we fix this?

Vote for UKIP ?

[Phil D. Rolls]

Vote for UKIP ?

:greengrin

[Scott Allan Key]

I was at the Scotch Malt Whisky society for my father's 65th birthday, there was some hooing and haaing about what food we could eat, because we were Muslim, it was simple that we could eat fish, so there was of course, no problem.

What was funny, was that, we had to change our son in the office there, and there was a memo on the desk, questioning the menu. 'Will they be offended if Jerusalem artichokes are on the menu?' It WAS on the menu I have to say, and I'm grateful they weren't silly enough to ask or take it off. Funny, but it does show how some ordinary people are unrealistic or ignorant about the relaxed sensibilities of Muslims.

There is a lot of unjustified paranoia and silliness about this. I know of no Muslims who want to impose their beliefs on people who celebrate Christmas. Indeed, if they did so, it would automatically take away any justification for them to build masjids, celebrate 'Eid publicly, etc. The tragedy is, is that some people do believe these lies, lies that are part of a communication industry to fuel antipathy against fellow citizens. It works both ways too.

[hibsbollah]

I was at the Scotch Malt Whisky society for my father's 65th birthday, there was some hooing and haaing about what food we could eat, because we were Muslim, it was simple that we could eat fish, so there was of course, no problem.

What was funny, was that, we had to change our son in the office there, and there was a memo on the desk, questioning the menu. 'Will they be offended if Jerusalem artichokes are on the menu?' It WAS on the menu I have to say, and I'm grateful they weren't silly enough to ask or take it off. Funny, but it does show how some ordinary people are unrealistic or ignorant about the relaxed sensibilities of Muslims.

There is a lot of unjustified paranoia and silliness about this. I know of no Muslims who want to impose their beliefs on people who celebrate Christmas. Indeed, if they did so, it would automatically take away any justification for them to build masjids, celebrate 'Eid publicly, etc. The tragedy is, is that some people do believe these lies, lies that are part of a communication industry to fuel antipathy against fellow citizens. It works both ways too.

Id imagine the Jerusalem artichoke thing was either someone trying to be funny or someone really REALLY stupid. That level of paranoia just doesnt exist, in my experience anyway.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Id imagine the Jerusalem artichoke thing was either someone trying to be funny or someone really REALLY stupid. That level of paranoia just doesnt exist, in my experience anyway.

You never know. After all, they banned Eggs Benedict at Ibrox.

[(((Fergus)))]

I was at the Scotch Malt Whisky society for my father's 65th birthday, there was some hooing and haaing about what food we could eat, because we were Muslim, it was simple that we could eat fish, so there was of course, no problem.

What was funny, was that, we had to change our son in the office there, and there was a memo on the desk, questioning the menu. 'Will they be offended if Jerusalem artichokes are on the menu?' It WAS on the menu I have to say, and I'm grateful they weren't silly enough to ask or take it off. Funny, but it does show how some ordinary people are unrealistic or ignorant about the relaxed sensibilities of Muslims.

There is a lot of unjustified paranoia and silliness about this. I know of no Muslims who want to impose their beliefs on people who celebrate Christmas. Indeed, if they did so, it would automatically take away any justification for them to build masjids, celebrate 'Eid publicly, etc. The tragedy is, is that some people do believe these lies, lies that are part of a communication industry to fuel antipathy against fellow citizens. It works both ways too.


You must have heard what is happening to Christians in the Arab world, Pakistan, etc., no? If people are unjustifiably paranoid and silly about this issue it is because they don't hear enough from muslims such as yourself who would speak out against Islamist supremacism and its intolerance of other world views.

[heretoday]

I'm not prejudiced.

After going round Tesco when it's busy I hate everybody, regardless of race, creed or colour.

[Hibbyradge]

Certain people are conspicuous by their absence on this thread.

Pity that.

[Hibbyradge]

Any evidence of Christmas being eradicated so far?

I found this little lot.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/christmas-picture-galleries/9680759/The-War-on-Christmas-Alan-Sailers-high-speed-photos-of-exploding-toys.html?frame=2399304

[heretoday]

I can't see Muslims or anyone else being remotely offended by the term Christmas because it has ceased to be a religious festival anyway.

It's just a jamboree for the TV advertisers and traders - many of whom are Muslims!

:tree

[Phil D. Rolls]

Not many stories this year.

[Pretty Boy]

Not many stories this year.

Don't think Muslims are the 'in' bogey men this year.

I expect a few scare stories about Bulgarians and Romanians to start appearing in the Mail, Sun and Telegraph soon enough though.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Don't think Muslims are the 'in' bogey men this year.

I expect a few scare stories about Bulgarians and Romanians to start appearing in the Mail, Sun and Telegraph soon enough though.

Best they can do is "woman refuses to serve alcohol so someone else does it instead". Ridiculous, we really need a higher standard of intolerance at this time of year.

[steakbake]

Don't think Muslims are the 'in' bogey men this year.

I expect a few scare stories about Bulgarians and Romanians to start appearing in the Mail, Sun and Telegraph soon enough though.

Do you get Muslim Bulgarian and Romanian gypsies? If so, can't wait for more hysteria, headlines and folk feeling the world is closing in.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Statement: Last night, Marks & Spencer said the advice had been given in error and was not consistent with its national policy.

Headline: M&S faces boycott as it lets Muslim staff refuse to sell alcohol or pork


Go figure.