Pat Fenlon - What will it take for him to finally get punted?

[Emerald]

Plenty folk giving their opinion of fenlon walking out after yesterdays game, probably the most negative ive heard. I would be surprised if we havent lost more supporters.

The people still backing Fenlon could well be in your avatar :agree:

[Beefster]

How long did it take Derek McInnes to sort out Aberdeen, and have them pinging it about on the deck?

Aye but he's not had more experienced managers, teams who have played more games or injuries to contend with. He's also benefiting from the 'new manager bounce'.

[hibbymick]

The people still backing Fenlon could well be in your avatar :agree:

:greengrin

[Hibercelona]

Aye but he's not had more experienced managers, teams who have played more games or injuries to contend with. He's also benefiting from the 'new manager bounce'.

The new manager bounce?

Is that like the Hibees bounce, but something that managers do to improve results? :cb

[greenlex]

Perfectly reasonable question. If Fenlon is saying (to paraphrase) the players didn't turn up/ get started - he has said that 2 or 3 times this season. So the question is why does that situation continue?

He's not got an answer because its a pathetic excuse and can't see that actually he is responsible.


Exactly, the reason folk get upset or embarrassed by questions is usually when it exposes a weakness. Reporter only asking the obvious, Prob what I would have asked myself. Pat just admit you get it wrong most weeks and can't do the job. Then we can all get back to our normal lives :D
Totally disagree. Every team (even the best more than a few times a season) don't turn up. To make that a question after our recent run of results was poor. Pat and a good few Hibs supporters are rightly pissed off that the media seem to have a go at us whilst other clubs in a poorer state or a win or so better are lauded and receive some sort if credit while they appear to be putting the boot in at worse or highlighting anything negative. Credit is rarely if ever readily dished out. He was rightly cheesed off.

[Hibercelona]

Totally disagree. Every team (even the best more than a few times a season) don't turn up. To make that a question after our recent run of results was poor. Pat and a good few Hibs supporters are rightly pissed off that the media seem to have a go at us whilst other clubs in a poorer state or a win or so better are lauded and receive some sort if credit while they appear to be putting the boot in at worse highlighting anything negative. Credit is rarely if ever readily dished out. He was rightly cheesed off.

We don't appear to turn up majority of the time though. Even when we do scrape a 1-0, it's like we weren't even in the game.

Teams that get the most credit are teams that are the best to watch. We're probably the worst club next to Hearts at the moment in the league to watch. That doesn't deserve any credit.

During the TM era, we probably got more praise than any other club in the league, for the style of football we were putting on display.

The media don't have any agenda against us, why on earth would they?

[Beefster]

Totally disagree. Every team (even the best more than a few times a season) don't turn up. To make that a question after our recent run of results was poor. Pat and a good few Hibs supporters are rightly pissed off that the media seem to have a go at us whilst other clubs in a poorer state or a win or so better are lauded and receive some sort if credit while they appear to be putting the boot in at worse or highlighting anything negative. Credit is rarely if ever readily dished out. He was rightly cheesed off.

The majority of the support criticises the football we're producing so I wouldn't expect the media to be any different.

[greenlex]

We don't appear to turn up majority of the time though. Even when we do scrape a 1-0, it's like we weren't even in the game.

Teams that get the most credit are teams that are the best to watch. We're probably the worst club next to Hearts at the moment in the league to watch. That doesn't deserve any credit.

During the TM era, we probably got more praise than any other club in the league, for the style of football we were putting on display.

The media don't have any agenda against us, why on earth would they?

I don't know why they would it be honest but the whole BBC team seem to take great delight in getting stuck into us of late. We were level with points with Aberdeen just a few weeks ago and according to them we were struggling and they were off to a flyer. Why do you think that is. I repeat we have rarely had if any credit fir turning the results and season so far round after the horrible start we had. Yesterday's question was another example of that. What was wrong with " why do you think that is the case today" instead of harping back to the poor start.
Fenlon isn't the man going forward. I think we can all see that. I just wish we as fans wouldn't put the boot into him more than is needed. That interview was putting the boot in in a general sense when at this moment in time there is absolutely no need.

[greenlex]

The majority of the support criticises the football we're producing so I wouldn't expect the media to be any different.
The media were having a go at the result not the style. He was rightly pissed off yesterday.

[Hibercelona]

I don't know why they would it be honest but the whole BBC team seem to take great delight in getting stuck into us of late. We were level with points with Aberdeen just a few weeks ago and according to them we were struggling and they were off to a flyer. Why do you think that is. I repeat we have rarely had if any credit fir turning the results and season so far round after the horrible start we had. Yesterday's question was another example of that. What was wrong with " why do you think that is the case today" instead of harping back to the poor start.
Fenlon isn't the man going forward. I think we can all see that. I just wish we as fans wouldn't put the boot into him more than is needed. That interview was putting the boot in in a general sense when at this moment in time there is absolutely no need.

Because a team can still be struggling despite a few winning results.

Ok, Aberdeen were about on par with us in terms of results. But I can guarentee you that they've at least tried to play some football and entertain their fans.

We may just about manage a 6th or 7th place finish this season. But is such a small improvement honestly worth the eye bleeding torture we're being subjected to?

The media aren't bashing our results. They're bashing our style of play, just as most of the fans are as well.

[greenlex]

Because a team can still be struggling despite a few winning results.

Ok, Aberdeen were about on par with us in terms of results. But I can guarentee you that they've at least tried to play some football and entertain their fans.

We may just about manage a 6th or 7th place finish this season. But is such a small improvement honestly worth the eye bleeding torture we're being subjected to?

The media aren't bashing our results. They're bashing our style of play, just as most of the fans are as well.
Are we really struggling though? A win yesterday however achieved would make the table look a lot different.I haven't seen the media having a go at the style of any club to be honest. Only results. Can you point me in the direction of some of this?

[Thecat23]

Totally disagree. Every team (even the best more than a few times a season) don't turn up. To make that a question after our recent run of results was poor. Pat and a good few Hibs supporters are rightly pissed off that the media seem to have a go at us whilst other clubs in a poorer state or a win or so better are lauded and receive some sort if credit while they appear to be putting the boot in at worse or highlighting anything negative. Credit is rarely if ever readily dished out. He was rightly cheesed off.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the press have just highlighted what most are saying on here or in the pubs. Talk to most fans they are fed up with the style. 2 home wins in 2013 with crowds getting worse. Sorry Lex but why should the press praise us? We were getting told after the bad start not to judge just a few games. But when we win the same folk tell us about this glorious 1 in 9 loss. Double standards. Until we start to prove we are a good side the press can say what the hell they like. I personally don't read Red top rags. Or take anything the Beeb say to heart. But what that guy said sits fine with me.

[Golden Bear]

We don't appear to turn up majority of the time though. Even when we do scrape a 1-0, it's like we weren't even in the game.

Teams that get the most credit are teams that are the best to watch. We're probably the worst club next to Hearts at the moment in the league to watch. That doesn't deserve any credit.

During the TM era, we probably got more praise than any other club in the league, for the style of football we were putting on display.

The media don't have any agenda against us, why on earth would they?

Excellent post.

[seven nowt]

How long did it take Derek McInnes to sort out Aberdeen, and have them pinging it about on the deck?

Agree. Just shows the difference a good manager makes. One transfer window and already invested in stronger players than Fenlon did in 3.

[greenlex]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the press have just highlighted what most are saying on here or in the pubs. Talk to most fans they are fed up with the style. 2 home wins in 2013 with crowds getting worse. Sorry Lex but why should the press praise us? We were getting told after the bad start not to judge just a few games. But when we win the same folk tell us about this glorious 1 in 9 loss. Double standards. Until we start to prove we are a good side the press can say what the hell they like. I personally don't read Red top rags. Or take anything the Beeb say to heart. But what that guy said sits fine with me.
Again. Are the press criticising the style? They criticise results. Rightly so. Yesterday was poor but the question wasn't about yesterday. It was a general dig at Hibs. Judging by results whilst not setting the heather on fire they sure as he'll could be a whole lot worse particularly after the start. Fenlon only pointed out that recent form was decent enough and thought the tone and question was poor. I agree.

[Hibercelona]

Are we really struggling though? A win yesterday however achieved would make the table look a lot different.I haven't seen the media having a go at the style of any club to be honest. Only results. Can you point me in the direction of some of this?

And if we had won every game so far this season, we'd be top of the table. There's no real point talking about what ifs through, is there?

We never really looked like taking anything from the game yesterday. As soon as you seen the lineup Pat was putting out, you could tell right away that he was seeking out a hard fought draw.

That's why Pat is getting so much stick from the fans and the media. I hate to say it, but he's everything thats wrong with football. He's like one of those youth managers thats more concerned about getting young boys winning, rather than getting them to express themselves and show off their talents.

[Thecat23]

Again. Are the press criticising the style? They criticise results. Rightly so. Yesterday was poor but the question wasn't about yesterday. It was a general dig at Hibs. Judging by results whilst not setting the heather on fire they sure as he'll could be a whole lot worse particularly after the start. Fenlon only pointed out that recent form was decent enough and thought the tone and question was poor. I agree.

It's fair dos you agree with Pat I've no problem with that. It's the way you think the press don't give us credit when we were winning. Sportscene did. They talked about how the pressure was on Danny Lennon etc..

Also BBC sports Scotland have discussed how we set up to play and it's not easy on the eye for the fans and that those fans have emailed or called about this.

[Hibhibhooray]

Pat clearly had an eye on Wednesdays game by giving Vine and Collins half an hour but you have to focus on the game your playing. Should have left Heff on....poor from Pat.

Heff had a pull in his groin

[snooky]

If we lose on Wednesday, at least there will be one positive outcome. A win only prolongs his time as manager before he is eventually sacked. The sooner the better - his cagey press conference really showed how under pressure he was. Pats been here for a long time now, had his transfer windows, his time to revive the club and only very marginal progress has been made. If we had another manager I believe a much bigger improvement would have been made. He's scraped through his time here and never has he had us playing football we really would look forward to seeing - yes we get results now and then but more often than not, we're embarrassing. And it's these cup runs that keeps him his job but realistically, I can't see us winning any cup even if we beat Hearts who we should be taking care of no problem but how can you feel confident with this *****? Tony Mowbray unemployed - a great manager and has proved it. At least we'd know to expect effective free flowing football.

Aaah...opinions, eh. :coffee:

[matty_f]

The concerning thing for me (amongst other concerning things) is that there is absolutely no indication coming from the manager that he wants us to be playing differently. There is no talk of wanting a more expansive style, of being more creative or cutting, of taking the game to teams. There is no hint that tomorrow will be any different, or the day after, and so on.
That is one of the overriding factors why I think Fenlon's time is up. As if the performances and several embarrassing defeats aren't enough, the thought that this style of play is deliberate and planned, is downright demoralising.

[greenlex]

It's fair dos you agree with Pat I've no problem with that. It's the way you think the press don't give us credit when we were winning. Sportscene did. They talked about how the pressure was on Danny Lennon etc..

Also BBC sports Scotland have discussed how we set up to play and it's not easy on the eye for the fans and that those fans have emailed or called about this.
Fairy nuff. The question yesterday was still poor IMO.

[Aldo]

The concerning thing for me (amongst other concerning things) is that there is absolutely no indication coming from the manager that he wants us to be playing differently. There is no talk of wanting a more expansive style, of being more creative or cutting, of taking the game to teams. There is no hint that tomorrow will be any different, or the day after, and so on. That is one of the overriding factors why I think Fenlon's time is up. As if the performances and several embarrassing defeats aren't enough, the thought that this style of play is deliberate and planned, is downright demoralising.

Matty that's the problem - PF thinks he's doing ok and that's that. His sort of line up would be ok in the lower leagues but sorry he us tactically inept and for me his time is up regardless of what he does over the remainder of the season.