England v Poland

[Hibby Bairn]

About 30,000 Poles at Wembley. Like an away game for Engerland. Booing everytime England have the ball.

Brilliant. 10/1 to win Polska btw.

[Onceinawhile]

What's the implications tonight? Draw enough for England?

[Hibby Bairn]

Not sure. Think they need to win.

[QMU-1875]

Need to win if ukraine beat San Marino

[The Green Goblin]

Draw guarantees the playoff, I think. A win guarantees a place next year. Pretty sure anyway

[Baldy Foghorn]

A win for England sees them qualify, a draw for play-offs (as Ukraine playing San Marino, who have lost all 9, are a cert to win).....

[johnbc70]

Now 7/1 Poland - still worth a punt?

[Hibby Bairn]

Now 7/1 Poland - still worth a punt?

Very open game. Poland looking dangerous every time they go forward. Roared on by 30,000.

[Onceinawhile]

England need to win. Confirmed by the itv boffins. Looking at the England team, I Wouldn't say they have anyone in their Team who is the best in the world in their position. Except potentially baines/a Cole. The rest are probably lucky to get top 5.

[Sergey]

Very open game. Poland looking dangerous every time they go forward. Roared on by 30,000.

Half of them built the bleedin' stadium :agree:

[Hibby Bairn]

What a miss by Lewandeski (sp).

[Onceinawhile]

Lewandowski misses a very good chance. Poland should be winning. If poland win are they in the play offs at England's expense?

[HH81]

Lewandowski misses a very good chance. Poland should be winning. If poland win are they in the play offs at England's expense?

No.

[TRC]

England need to win. Confirmed by the itv boffins. Looking at the England team, I Wouldn't say they have anyone in their Team who is the best in the world in their position. Except potentially baines/a Cole. The rest are probably lucky to get top 5.

Lahm might have something to say about that even if he is a right back is still a better left back than those two.

[Onceinawhile]

England knocking on the door. Townsend rattled the bar from 20 yards.

[Hibby Bairn]

Great game so far.

[Onceinawhile]

Lahm might have something to say about that even if he is a right back is still a better left back than those two.

The spanish boy too, is it alba? I'm not saying either of them are the best only That you could make an argument for them.

[HH81]

Welbeck is crap :agree:

[Onceinawhile]

Welbeck is crap :agree:

Him and sturridge are doing their best to mess up any sort of half chance. England definitely settled now and looking likely.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Welbeck is crap :agree:

I've thought that for a long time - quite a lot of folk seem to disagree though.

[kdhibees1]

1-0 tattie heid

[David_D]

:grr: nice goal though. Damn Shrek

[Onceinawhile]

1-0 Rooney. Text book cross from baines and text book headee

[Gus]

Goaaaaaaaaaal

[Jonnyboy]

What a fantastic game and fantastic atmosphere.

Leighton Baines for me is a better player than Ashley Cole

[Mon Dieu4]

What a fantastic game and fantastic atmosphere.

Leighton Baines for me is a better player than Ashley Cole

Absolutely, he is a great wee player Baines

[kdhibees1]

2-0 Gerrard

[Aldo]

Well that'll be them winning the 2014 World Cup then.

[Mon Dieu4]

Glad they are going through, will give me something to look forward to next year ;)

[eastterrace]

Glad they are going through, will give me something to look forward to next year ;)

yes will get a laugh next year so better they are through.

[Spike Mandela]

The English build up to the World Cup in all it's jingoistic glory will have Alex Salmond rubbing his hands with pleasure on the run up to the referendum.:cb

[PatHead]

At least I know who I am supporting next summer- ABE!

[monktonharp]

The English build up to the World Cup in all it's jingoistic glory will have Alex Salmond rubbing his hands with pleasure on the run up to the referendum.:cbgot something there Spike, luvvly jubbly. need another war though, to even things up. Falklands2.

[Scouse Hibee]

Oh how I love a world cup.

[weecounty hibby]

Oh how I love a world cup.

Me too! Must be crap for you guys to only have one team to support whereas we have every team except one to support ;-)

[Onion]

Me too! Must be crap for you guys to only have one team to support whereas we have every team except one to support ;-)

:greengrin Scotland qualified last night, too.

[Deansy]

Well that'll be them winning the 2014 World Cup then.

Aye, didn't take long -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/weve-chance-says-roy-hodgson-2450383

“We’ve got a chance. If you want to win the lottery, buy a lottery ticket. We have our ticket"


Oh Goody - same chance as me of actually winning it, then !!

[Danderhall Hibs]

Aye, didn't take long -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/weve-chance-says-roy-hodgson-2450383

“We’ve got a chance. If you want to win the lottery, buy a lottery ticket. We have our ticket"


Oh Goody - same chance as me of actually winning it, then !!

I think "we" make more of it. They've definitely got more if a chance than you of winning it.

[Hibbyradge]

Aye, didn't take long -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/weve-chance-says-roy-hodgson-2450383

“We’ve got a chance. If you want to win the lottery, buy a lottery ticket. We have our ticket"


Oh Goody - same chance as me of actually winning it, then !!

That reply is very measured. In fact, winning the lottery is a 1:14000000 chance.

If Scotland ever qualify again, what would you expect the manager to say?

"No, we have no chance"?

[matty_f]

I think "we" make more of it. They've definitely got more if a chance than you of winning it.

:agree:

[Scouse Hibee]

Me too! Must be crap for you guys to only have one team to support whereas we have every team except one to support ;-)

It's more more enjoyable watching the tournament when you have your own country's team to support though. :wink:

[Scouse Hibee]

Aye, didn't take long -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/weve-chance-says-roy-hodgson-2450383

“We’ve got a chance. If you want to win the lottery, buy a lottery ticket. We have our ticket"


Oh Goody - same chance as me of actually winning it, then !!


I love these type of posts :greengrin

[Posh Swanny]

Aye, didn't take long -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/weve-chance-says-roy-hodgson-2450383

“We’ve got a chance. If you want to win the lottery, buy a lottery ticket. We have our ticket"


Oh Goody - same chance as me of actually winning it, then !!

Seven one-off football matches and you don't even need to win any of them if you're good at taking penalties. Everyone has a "chance" - although England would clearly need to win all of their games. :wink:

Obviously the likelihood is that England will not win the tournament but the "one game at a time" nature of a World Cup (or any knock out competition) means the excitement at a possible win is there for every game. Of course we'll probably lose against Spain/Germany/Brazil/Italy if we were to meet them at any point - but much like a Hibs trip to Celtic Park or Ibrox, I'd be absolutely buzzing in the build up to the game and hope for a win! I'd probably even spout things like "let's get into these *****, they're not all that!".

You merely need to apply that mentality to seven matches to see why people will probably answer "yes" when asked if England CAN win the World Cup. But that is very different to being asked if England WILL win the World Cup.

[lapsedhibee]

Seven one-off football matches and you don't even need to win any of them if you're good at taking penalties. Everyone has a "chance" - although England would clearly need to win all of their games. :wink:

Obviously the likelihood is that England will not win the tournament but the "one game at a time" nature of a World Cup (or any knock out competition) means the excitement at a possible win is there for every game. Of course we'll probably lose against Spain/Germany/Brazil/Italy if we were to meet them at any point - but much like a Hibs trip to Celtic Park or Ibrox, I'd be absolutely buzzing in the build up to the game and hope for a win! I'd probably even spout things like "let's get into these *****, they're not all that!".

You merely need to apply that mentality to seven matches to see why people will probably answer "yes" when asked if England CAN win the World Cup. But that is very different to being asked if England WILL win the World Cup.

Hasn't Greg Dyke, or someone else entirely, already said that Engerlund won't win before 2022? Which means of course that they will win in 2022. It's only a matter of time. Winning next year would be like Greece or Denmark or some other no-mark country winning a major championship - no gonnae happen.

[Scouse Hibee]

Hasn't Greg Dyke, or someone else entirely, already said that Engerlund won't win before 2022? Which means of course that they will win in 2022. It's only a matter of time. Winning next year would be like Greece, Denmark or some other no-mark country like Scotland winning a major championship - no gonnae happen.

Fixed that for you.

[Hibbyradge]

Fixed that for you.

I'm surprised you think England are as poor as Scotland.

Everyone to their own, I suppose.

[Scouse Hibee]

I'm surprised you think England are as poor as Scotland.

Everyone to their own, I suppose.

At winning major championships they certainly are!

[ZS DOOM]

Hasn't Greg Dyke, or someone else entirely, already said that Engerlund won't win before 2022? Which means of course that they will win in 2022. It's only a matter of time. Winning next year would be like Greece or Denmark or some other no-mark country winning a major championship - no gonnae happen.

Imagine Greece winning a major tournament. Just cant see it happening

[Hibernia Na Eir]

thought the Polish fans were brilliant last night. Never heard such a racket! They certainly drowned out the English Anthem too :-)

[Posh Swanny]

Imagine Greece winning a major tournament. Just cant see it happening

I imagined that was his point - hence Denmark as well! :wink:

[brian6-2]

Had a wee chuckle at this. Cant wait to hear the reaction from the english.............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24562306

[magpie1892]

Had a wee chuckle at this. Cant wait to hear the reaction from the english.............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24562306

Well, here's one reaction from an Englishman: England are ***** and will be lucky to get out of our group.

I think you'll find that the 'reaction from the english' will be pretty muted.

[brian6-2]

Well, here's one reaction from an Englishman: England are ***** and will be lucky to get out of our group.

I think you'll find that the 'reaction from the english' will be pretty muted.

doubt that very much.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

They are already bumping their gums on SSN and I see that the knives are out for Hodgson already about the alleged "feed the monkey" comment he made at half time during the Poland game.

I couldn't give two hoots about them but it seems the English press are hell bent on disrupting any preparations they have before they have even started :rolleyes:

Keep up the good work lads! :wink:

[Scottie]

They are already bumping their gums on SSN and I see that the knives are out for Hodgson already about the alleged "feed the monkey" comment he made at half time during the Poland game.

I couldn't give two hoots about them but it seems the English press are hell bent on disrupting any preparations they have before they have even started :rolleyes:

Keep up the good work lads! :wink:

Just heard the reporter who broke the story on Talk Sport this morning

Said the English player phoned him directly to break the story yesterday morning

Turns out the reporter works for the Sun newspaper and is of course is a Scotsman :na na: Magic

[Onion]

Had a wee chuckle at this. Cant wait to hear the reaction from the english.............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24562306

They reported that yesterday and were pretty relaxed about it. Makes no diff, the English Press have them winning it anyway, which is interesting as this is probably the WORST England team in 40 years. Almost as deluded as the Yams.

This bit I found interesting ...

"Scotland have climbed 28 places to 35th..."

[Posh Swanny]

Looking at the teams who didn't get seeded, it's pretty balanced from a "wouldn't want to play against them" point of view anyway. We might draw Brazil but we won't draw Holland. We might play Spain, but we won't play Italy. And I'd probably take Switzerland over the other European nations expected to be in the "Euro" pot.

[Andy74]

They are already bumping their gums on SSN and I see that the knives are out for Hodgson already about the alleged "feed the monkey" comment he made at half time during the Poland game.

I couldn't give two hoots about them but it seems the English press are hell bent on disrupting any preparations they have before they have even started :rolleyes:

Keep up the good work lads! :wink:

Just caught up with this one. Mental. Any racism groups or whatever making an issue out of this need to have a word. He was talking about an actual monkey. It's the people putting that together with race who need to think about their own views.

[lapsedhibee]

Just caught up with this one. Mental. Any racism groups or whatever making an issue out of this need to have a word. He was talking about an actual monkey. It's the people putting that together with race who need to think about their own views.

:hmmm:

[Andy74]

:hmmm:

What's up? The animal in the story was a monkey.

[lapsedhibee]

What's up? The animal in the story was a monkey.

I don't think it was an actual monkey.

[Andy74]

I don't think it was an actual monkey.

Okay I'm lost now.

[blackpoolhibs]

What colour was the monkeys laces?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Sounds to me like he was telling a story about an actual monkey then turned to Townsend and said "no offence pal"?

[Mon Dieu4]

Just read up on all this, the media will twist anything to meet their agenda

Id be hard pressed to think of a less likely person to come out with something like that, he seems a well mannered and well spoken gent who wouldn't want to cause offense to anyone

[Mikey]

Hodgson should find out who leaked the "monkey" story and give him the chance to watch the World Cup at home on TV.

As for their seeding, when have England ever ended up in the Group Of Death? They'll get the weakest top seed, third seed and fourth seed!

Where's McGlashan when you need him..............

[Keith_M]

Sounds to me like he was telling a story about an actual monkey then turned to Townsend and said "no offence pal"?


Then you're wrong.


He used a humorous story made up by members of NASA in the 60s to make a point about 'feeding' a particular player with he ball. He's apparently used that in club football, referring to various players whether black or white.

The only time race was brought into this was when some idiot at The Sun decided to splash it on their Front Page, leading 'Kick it Out' to take it at face value.


The player in question, Andros Townsend, tweeted this today...

"I don't know what all this fuss is about.
No offence was meant and none was taken!
It's not even news worthy!"

Guardian Article (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/17/roy-hodgson-fa-greg-dyke-space-monkey)

[Danderhall Hibs]

Then you're wrong.


He used a humorous story made up by members of NASA in the 60s to make a point about 'feeding' a particular player with he ball. He's apparently used that in club football, referring to various players whether black or white.

The only time race was brought into this was when some idiot at The Sun decided to splash it on their Front Page, leading 'Kick it Out' to take it at face value.


The player in question, Andros Townsend, tweeted this today...

"I don't know what all this fuss is about.
No offence was meant and none was taken!
It's not even news worthy!"

Guardian Article (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/17/roy-hodgson-fa-greg-dyke-space-monkey)

Cheers for the full story.

Why did he feel the need to apologise immediately after saying it?

[(((Fergus)))]

Strangely, I hope the England team do well with their supposed no-hoper of a manager and get it right up the english ********s who're trying to undermine them

[Sir David Gray]

These sorts of stories really wind me up.

Anti-racism groups who are reacting to this story and demanding investigations to take place are, in my opinion, undermining the work that is being done to battle against genuine cases of racism in this country, where people are being denied jobs because of the colour of their skin, are being physically and verbally abused because of the colour of their skin and are being bullied in schools because of the colour of their skin. Cases like this are extremely damaging to the anti-racism campaign because it detracts from the serious nature of actual racism.

People who are saying that they are offended by what Hodgson said honestly need to get a life. It was a joke, there was absolutely no offence intended and the person who was the subject of the joke has publicly said that he did not take offence.

That should be the end of the matter but I guess in this country, it will be anything but.

Discussions surrounding the subject of race are a massive problem in this country. People are far too sensitive and far too quick to take "offence" at harmless and innocent comments and it's really quite sad.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't know much about Roy Hodgson tbh.

However i've always thought he comes across as a decent, relatively intelligent and pleasant enough man. He would be pretty low on my list of people i'd expect to make a racist comment and this has been taken way out of context.

Mountain out of a molehole imho.

[lapsedhibee]

Sounds to me like he was telling a story about an actual monkey then turned to Townsend and said "no offence pal"?

Really don't think this is an actual monkey:

“NASA decided they’d finally send a man up in a capsule after sending only monkeys in the earlier missions,” the joke goes.

“They fire the man and the monkey into space.

“The intercom crackles, 'Monkey, fire the retros.'

“A little later, 'Monkey, check the solid fuel supply.'

“Later still, “Monkey, check the life support systems for the man.'

“The astronaut takes umbrage and radioes NASA, 'When do I get to do something?'

“NASA replies, 'In 15 minutes - feed the monkey.'


Cheers for the full story.

Why did he feel the need to apologise immediately after saying it?

Did he do that? :hmmm:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Really don't think this is an actual monkey:

“NASA decided they’d finally send a man up in a capsule after sending only monkeys in the earlier missions,” the joke goes.

“They fire the man and the monkey into space.

“The intercom crackles, 'Monkey, fire the retros.'

“A little later, 'Monkey, check the solid fuel supply.'

“Later still, “Monkey, check the life support systems for the man.'

“The astronaut takes umbrage and radioes NASA, 'When do I get to do something?'

“NASA replies, 'In 15 minutes - feed the monkey.'



Did he do that? :hmmm:

That's what they said in SSN.

Is this just the Sun trying to get Roy out and 'Arry in?

[Andy74]

These sorts of stories really wind me up.

Anti-racism groups who are reacting to this story and demanding investigations to take place are, in my opinion, undermining the work that is being done to battle against genuine cases of racism in this country, where people are being denied jobs because of the colour of their skin, are being physically and verbally abused because of the colour of their skin and are being bullied in schools because of the colour of their skin. Cases like this are extremely damaging to the anti-racism campaign because it detracts from the serious nature of actual racism.

People who are saying that they are offended by what Hodgson said honestly need to get a life. It was a joke, there was absolutely no offence intended and the person who was the subject of the joke has publicly said that he did not take offence.

That should be the end of the matter but I guess in this country, it will be anything but.

Discussions surrounding the subject of race are a massive problem in this country. People are far too sensitive and far too quick to take "offence" at harmless and innocent comments and it's really quite sad.

That's not right though. No one was the subject of the joke. The astronaut maybe.

[lapsedhibee]

That's what they said in SSN.

Is this just the Sun trying to get Roy out and 'Arry in?

Not much reason to suppose the MSM in Englandland is any better than here. They don't have an Old Firm to fawn over so the objects of their affection are more diverse - but 'arry's definitely one of them. Jolly good laugh that his dug had a bank account, and nothing suspicious or fraudulent about it at all. And how his halfwit son makes a living there as a fitba pundit is a mystery of really quite large proportions.

[lapsedhibee]

That's not right though. No one was the subject of the joke. The astronaut maybe.

I think maybe Smalling was the astronaut analogue, and Townsend the monkey analogue.

If you're suggesting the joke's on the astronaut, shouldn't Hodgson now be apologising to Smalling for implying that he's a thick **** ? :devil:

[Sir David Gray]

That's not right though. No one was the subject of the joke. The astronaut maybe.

OK, I should have said the perceived subject of the joke.

The people who are taking this seriously are implying that Hodgson's comments were derogatory towards Andros Townsend.

[blackpoolhibs]

OK, I should have said the perceived subject of the joke.

The people who are taking this seriously are implying that Hodgson's comments were derogatory towards Andros Townsend.

They are the ones who are wrong, Hodgson made no bigoted remark. He mentioned a monkey while making a comment on how the game was panning out.

Maybe we need a list of words that are now banned for footballers and managers during the football season?

These new initiatives we are all supposed to adhere to, seem to be coming back to bite folk right on the arse. :thumbsup:

[Treadstone]

Looks like 'our own' Gordon Smart is being implicated in the story.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10386615/England-camp-has-been-let-down-by-anonymous-player-who-leaked-Roy-Hodgsons-space-monkey-joke.html

Apparently now the attention seeking Peter Herbert (The Society of Black Lawyers) is getting involved. Thought he would have learned his lesson over the Clattenburg debacle.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Looks like 'our own' Gordon Smart is being implicated in the story.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/10386615/England-camp-has-been-let-down-by-anonymous-player-who-leaked-Roy-Hodgsons-space-monkey-joke.html

Apparently now the attention seeking Peter Herbert (The Society of Black Lawyers) is getting involved. Thought he would have learned his lesson over the Clattenburg debacle.

If the sun's involved I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up.

Which paper did Redknapp's book serialisation run in last week?

[Haymaker]

Roy Hodgson has cause more controversy after describing Ashley Young as a "Football player".

[silverhibee]

Roy Hodgson has cause more controversy after describing Ashley Young as a "Football player".

:greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

If the sun's involved I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up.

Which paper did Redknapp's book serialisation run in last week?

More likely that Frank Lampard, 'Arry's nephew and dropped the other night, is the dressing room mole who leaked the 'story'.

I really can't believe that anyone is still trying to make this out to be racism. It's only going to dicredit that organisation in future. Thankfully Kick It Out have declared the matter closed as far as they are concerned.

[blackpoolhibs]

If England were to go on and win the world cup, would it be a black or white person who would be first to say thank god that monkey is off our back? :confused: