Hibs and Ireland

[Jonny1875]

I'm simply looking for some answers to questions and some information, i do not want this thread to turn into anything its not meant to be such as Hibs Irishness etc. :thumbsup:

I started supporting Hibs when i was 4 or 5 simply due to our strip as i loved it, i never based my support on religion or nationality and my dad is not a fan of Scottish football and has never been a part-time Celtic or Rangers fan like many are so i was not pushed in any direction.

Now that I have got all that out of the way i can ask what i want to know, 'was their a period in Hibs history or is there a faction in Hibs support that are anti-Irish?'

I am simply asking this due to some serious googling in the past week, i have come across many Celtic fans accusing us of being "soup-takers" "worse than huns" and Hibs fans boring the Irish national anthem at the Scottish cup final? But on the other hand i have come across Rangers and Hearts fans saying we are almost as bad as Celtic? Im also wondering about the badge changes which contained nothing of the original harp or erin go bragh till the latest change just over 10 years ago.

Thanks GGTTH :aok:

[monktonharp]

I've never heard any anti-Irish comments from a Hibs fan in my life. up until the mid-seventies, many used to sing some of the "tamer" rebel songs, but this died off eventually after some of the atrocities, be it in mainland uk or indeed Irish soil. some Celtic fans may like to assoiate us with everything anti-celtic . the thing about us being anti-celtic is more to do with the facts, from history when they stole our players, and from more recent times when they "enticed" a lot of our players to make the short journey to East Glasgow. most of my friends(Hibs folk) are definitely not anti-irish and lots of them have family history of Ireland, we also have great friends and marriage relatives in Eire and the North, many of which are keen fans of Hibernian. a friend's wife,Dublin born actually despises Celtic and hates the fact that they sing the Irish anthem in English! most of them probably don't even know the first line,in Irish Gaelic.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZWaSIQcuuo

[Jonny1875]

I've never heard any anti-Irish comments from a Hibs fan in my life. up until the mid-seventies, many used to sing some of the "tamer" rebel songs, but this died off eventually after some of the atrocities, be it in mainland uk or indeed Irish soil. some Celtic fans may like to assoiate us with everything anti-celtic . the thing about us being anti-celtic is more to do with the facts, from history when they stole our players, and from more recent times when they "enticed" a lot of our players to make the short journey to East Glasgow. most of my friends(Hibs folk) are definitely not anti-irish and lots of them have family history of Ireland, we also have great friends and marriage relatives in Eire and the North, many of which are keen fans of Hibernian. a friend's wife,Dublin born actually despises Celtic and hates the fact that they sing the Irish anthem in English! most of them probably don't even know the first line,in Irish Gaelic.
Thanks for that mate, always good to hear from a slightly older im guessing and wiser hibee!

[Jonny1875]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZWaSIQcuuo


Would have loved a productive response,thanks for your insightful opinion. :aok:

[GlenrothesHibee]

I cant recall the Irish national anthem being played at the Scottish cup final? Why would it be? If the Celtic fans were singing it, the Hibs fans would have booed in the same way we do when Rangers fans sing God save the Queen etc. I cant remember this at the cup final although i do remember them singing pro Irish rebel songs when trying to compete with our singing

[Jonny1875]

I cant recall the Irish national anthem being played at the Scottish cup final? Why would it be? If the Celtic fans were singing it, the Hibs fans would have booed in the same way we do when Rangers fans sing God save the Queen etc. I cant remember this at the cup final although i do remember them singing pro Irish rebel songs when trying to compete with our singing
I seen It on talkceltic probably talking *****.

[hibbytam]

I cant recall the Irish national anthem being played at the Scottish cup final? Why would it be? If the Celtic fans were singing it, the Hibs fans would have booed in the same way we do when Rangers fans sing God save the Queen etc. I cant remember this at the cup final although i do remember them singing pro Irish rebel songs when trying to compete with our singing

I don't remember Celtc fans singing at the final....

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Would have loved a productive response,thanks for your insightful opinion. :aok:

Fair enough the cat amongst the pigeons/Can of worms vids weren't working didn't mean to offend but accept a smiley wouldn't have gone a-miss... :agree:.

I hadn't heard the term "soup-takers" until I put up a respectful "Dreaming in Green" thread on the Shamrock Rovers forum around the time we were to play Celtic in the SC Final. To be fair I think it was called correctly by the regulars as an OF poster which they were fed up of.

I like to consider myself reasonably culturally aware but that one passed me by - then again perhaps an East Coast upbringing removes you from a lotta that bile...

Since I've been going ('87) I've never heard of an anti-Irish faction. As a club we've embraced diversity and that is in part reflected in the current badge which is diplomacy personified :) not too sure about the origins of the Ball/Crown incantation but change was necessitated due to the unapproved use of the crown. The Duff and Gray era dreamed up the bizarre beer label design and thankfully after the take over STF and co rightly decided a new chapter was in order. So perhaps this move away from the original Harp was perceived as the result of an anti-Irish "faction"?

[JimBHibees]

Seems to have been quite a number of these sort of threads recently. Sniff. :greengrin

[Jack]

I cant recall the Irish national anthem being played at the Scottish cup final? Why would it be? If the Celtic fans were singing it, the Hibs fans would have booed in the same way we do when Rangers fans sing God save the Queen etc. I cant remember this at the cup final although i do remember them singing pro Irish rebel songs when trying to compete with our singing

Do we not go through all the national anthems of all the players, staff of the clubs and staff at Hampden and the burger vans outside, all the countries taking the TV pictures and individual supporters?

I dont normally turn up till about 15 minutes before KO so I may have missed it.

Bloody ridiculously thread - I'm away to finish my heinz tomato soup.

[Killiehibbie]

What's a soup taker?

[Dashing Bob S]

What's a soup taker?

I'm not sure, but if it involves taking soup from charities, I think they might have confused us with another Edinburgh club...

[Keith_M]

What most Celtc (sic) fans object to is the fact that Hibs supporters admit we follow a Scottish club, whilst they're in denial that their club is Scottish as well.

Apparently, if you don't sing Irish rebel songs at games, drape 3,000 tricolours in your stadium and parade the teams onto the pitch with a troop of dancing Leprechauns, it makes you 'anti-irish'.

[Kato]

I'm simply looking for some answers to questions and some information, i do not want this thread to turn into anything its not meant to be such as Hibs Irishness etc. :thumbsup:

I started supporting Hibs when i was 4 or 5 simply due to our strip as i loved it, i never based my support on religion or nationality and my dad is not a fan of Scottish football and has never been a part-time Celtic or Rangers fan like many are so i was not pushed in any direction.

Now that I have got all that out of the way i can ask what i want to know, 'was their a period in Hibs history or is there a faction in Hibs support that are anti-Irish?'

I am simply asking this due to some serious googling in the past week, i have come across many Celtic fans accusing us of being "soup-takers" "worse than huns" and Hibs fans boring the Irish national anthem at the Scottish cup final? But on the other hand i have come across Rangers and Hearts fans saying we are almost as bad as Celtic? Im also wondering about the badge changes which contained nothing of the original harp or erin go bragh till the latest change just over 10 years ago.

Thanks GGTTH :aok:

A clue is in your own post, mate.

If drivel were traded on the stock market Celtic fans would all be self-made millionaires and the ones who write such stuff on the internet, billionaires.

[Vini1875]

What's a soup taker?

Catholics who during the famine etc would take soup from Protestant soup kitchens and be enticed to convert. Throughout history in Ireland and Scotland there has been a lot of this convert for a bowl of soup and some bread "Christian help". Funny comment about us given that we helped many charities to provide food for the poor.

It has always been in celtc interest to put down Hibernian, which has them as the only true paragons of integrity for Irish people in the UK, but the truth is that they are no more quintessentially Irish than the huns are quintessentially British. They portray a very narrow view of Ireland and as we don't fit with their view we in their opinion have somehow betrayed the cause.

Bizarrely I do think there are Hibs fans who don't like Irishness of any kind, but I also know plenty celtc fans who also don't like it and huns who don't like their Protestant nonsense.

Personally I have always loved the connection to Ireland for family and personal reasons. To me it has a certain romance. Singing rebel songs in pubs in Scotland but not actually being prepared to get involved holds no integrity for me at all.

[Glesgahibby]

Most of my family are Celtic fans and used to take delight in telling me that,hibs fans would sing Celtic songs and we were there cousins in the east:confused:
I would always point out that it was them who would sing our songs and inform them of the stealing of our players from 1888 and also the theft of our original strip:wink:
Until the birth of the Internet,I was ridiculed and told this was rubbish,now they can't hide from these facts as i send them these historical facts on a regular basis.
1.they took our players
2.they took our strip
3.the one thing they would have loved to take but never could is our name
HIBERNIAN FOOTBALL CLUB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :na na:
:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Vinni, thanks for the Soup Takers explanation.


Could I ask you what you meant in the part above about 'getting involved'?

Too busy getting tanked with buckie before games to bother going to mass... :wink:

[Jonny1875]

Thanks for all the replys folks as I said some serious googling recently had put me under a slight impression but the souptakers explanation just shows Celtic fans for what they are.

[Niffy]

I mind getting back to the pub after beating Celtic (Pat McGinlay scored afaicr) and stopped them qualifying for Europe I think... and within 5 minutes being called dirty orange ******* by Celtic fans along with "you'r supposed to be on our side" ... then "fenian bass" by Rangers fans in the same pub.

[Keith_M]

Thanks for all the replys folks as I said some serious googling recently had put me under a slight impression but the souptakers explanation just shows Celtic fans for what they are.


Good on you for supporting the correct team. When did you start supporting Hibs?

[Jonny1875]

About 2002 when I was 6 and surronded by Celtic fans.

[Capt Mainwaring]

look no further than the current Hibs badge to learn all about the 3 components of our history, who we are and what we stand for

[LancsHibs]

Wouldn't take any notice of anything from Celtic fans mate, a bigger bunch of twonks you'll never meet!

[basehibby]

I'm simply looking for some answers to questions and some information, i do not want this thread to turn into anything its not meant to be such as Hibs Irishness etc. :thumbsup:

I started supporting Hibs when i was 4 or 5 simply due to our strip as i loved it, i never based my support on religion or nationality and my dad is not a fan of Scottish football and has never been a part-time Celtic or Rangers fan like many are so i was not pushed in any direction.

Now that I have got all that out of the way i can ask what i want to know, 'was their a period in Hibs history or is there a faction in Hibs support that are anti-Irish?'

I am simply asking this due to some serious googling in the past week, i have come across many Celtic fans accusing us of being "soup-takers" "worse than huns" and Hibs fans boring the Irish national anthem at the Scottish cup final? But on the other hand i have come across Rangers and Hearts fans saying we are almost as bad as Celtic? Im also wondering about the badge changes which contained nothing of the original harp or erin go bragh till the latest change just over 10 years ago.

Thanks GGTTH :aok:

I think there may have been a time when our entrepeneur-ish and inspirational off the park leader - Harry Swan - swayed a bit away from the Irish identity in an attempt to be more all inclusive - but anti-Irish??? Don't think so - you hardly go about with a green strip and calling yourself Hibernian FC if you hold some sort of antipathy to the emerald isle do you?!?

[superbam]

There is some crazy nonsense about hibs perpetuated by celtic fans, it never ceases to amaze me.

Have watched a good few hibs v celtic matches over here with celtic fans in the pub (Galbraith last minute winner was particularly satisfying) - its incredible how the patter can change from nauseating, patronizing brothers in arms ***** when we pose no threat to them to "dirty orange HIV junkie *******s" when we take the lead. Its also pretty entertaining watching Scottish celtic fans come to Dublin and gradually realize that they are not universally worshiped in Ireland.

The most disturbing chat I have heard from them (only on a couple of occasions I should add) is stuff about "hardly any catholics in the hibs support, its mostly protestant" and such like - as an accusation. Questioning the ethnic purity of our support! I know where i have heard that kind of chat before and they dont need to look too far from home. And from a support that sometimes claim to be antifascist...

However, tend to find Irish celtic fans slightly more bearable than the Scottish ones, seem to be able to discuss football with them more often without getting the boak.

[weonlywon6-2]

Wouldn't take any notice of anything from Celtic fans mate, a bigger bunch of twonks you'll never meet!



Never known fans with such a chip on their shoulder.Majority are just phanies

[NAE NOOKIE]

I cant say I've ever noticed any anti Irish element in the Hibs support. There are a few like me who get a bit bent out of shape when we see certain elements trying to push us too far in certain directions. If thats viewed as anti Irish in some quarters ... tough.

I reckon I'm a pretty typical Hibby and for what its worth heres how I view the club and its supporters.

1) Proud of the clubs heritage and they way in which it was born out of poverty and adversity. That appeals to my socialist leanings anyway :greengrin

2) More than happy with the way the club has managed to marry its Irish roots to its Scottish present. There is no doubt that Hibs are a Scottish football club, but in no way embarrassed by, in fact proud of, where it came from.

3) Most of all. I am delighted with the fact that your average Hibs fan couldnt give a Rats ass what nationality or religion his fellow Hibby is or even if he / she has no religion at all. At kick off time there is no religion and there is only one colour and thats the way it should be.


GGTTH

[Pretty Boy]

Proud of our past, proud of our present and see no reason not to be proud of our future.

Hibs are for everybody.

I was raiser a Catholic and have Irish ancestry, if the guy next to me is Protestant and of English ancestry i couldn't care less.

It will be a cold day in hell before i start worrying about what Celtic fans think about me or Hibs.

[nonshinyfinish]

I cant say I've ever noticed any anti Irish element in the Hibs support. There are a few like me who get a bit bent out of shape when we see certain elements trying to push us too far in certain directions. If thats viewed as anti Irish in some quarters ... tough.

I reckon I'm a pretty typical Hibby and for what its worth heres how I view the club and its supporters.

1) Proud of the clubs heritage and they way in which it was born out of poverty and adversity. That appeals to my socialist leanings anyway :greengrin

2) More than happy with the way the club has managed to marry its Irish roots to its Scottish present. There is no doubt that Hibs are a Scottish football club, but in no way embarrassed by, in fact proud of, where it came from.

3) Most of all. I am delighted with the fact that your average Hibs fan couldnt give a Rats ass what nationality or religion his fellow Hibby is or even if he / she has no religion at all. At kick off time there is no religion and there is only one colour and thats the way it should be.


GGTTH

Well put.

[Hal Jordan]

As I recall, the crown badge came about after we beat Real Madrid in a friendly in 1964, copying their club crest. It was dropped as we didn't have approval from the Court of the Lord Lyon to use a heraldic crown emblem in the club crest or some such. The Planet Saturn/Doon the Slope/beer bottle one was awful, and thankfully shortlived.

[Davy Mac]

I cant say I've ever noticed any anti Irish element in the Hibs support. There are a few like me who get a bit bent out of shape when we see certain elements trying to push us too far in certain directions. If thats viewed as anti Irish in some quarters ... tough.

I reckon I'm a pretty typical Hibby and for what its worth heres how I view the club and its supporters.

1) Proud of the clubs heritage and they way in which it was born out of poverty and adversity. That appeals to my socialist leanings anyway :greengrin

2) More than happy with the way the club has managed to marry its Irish roots to its Scottish present. There is no doubt that Hibs are a Scottish football club, but in no way embarrassed by, in fact proud of, where it came from.

3) Most of all. I am delighted with the fact that your average Hibs fan couldnt give a Rats ass what nationality or religion his fellow Hibby is or even if he / she has no religion at all. At kick off time there is no religion and there is only one colour and thats the way it should be.

Great post and share your sentiments and thoughts.

GGTTH


Proud of our past, proud of our present and see no reason not to be proud of our future.

Hibs are for everybody.

I was raiser a Catholic and have Irish ancestry, if the guy next to me is Protestant and of English ancestry i couldn't care less.

It will be a cold day in hell before i start worrying about what Celtic fans think about me or Hibs.

Correct, I'm not interested in what Celtic fans have to say about us, they are a confused and needy bunch stuck in the past. Proud to be Hibs through and through.

[Jonnyboy]

As I recall, the crown badge came about after we beat Real Madrid in a friendly in 1964, copying their club crest. It was dropped as we didn't have approval from the Court of the Lord Lyon to use a heraldic crown emblem in the club crest or some such. The Planet Saturn/Doon the Slope/beer bottle one was awful, and thankfully shortlived.

:agree: to all your points :aok:

[Sir David Gray]

If we annoy Celtic fans with our outlook then we must be doing something right.

[Jonny1875]

If we annoy Celtic fans with our outlook then we must be doing something right.

Without Rangers we are the ones they seem to gravitate to.

[snooky]

I cant say I've ever noticed any anti Irish element in the Hibs support. There are a few like me who get a bit bent out of shape when we see certain elements trying to push us too far in certain directions. If thats viewed as anti Irish in some quarters ... tough.

I reckon I'm a pretty typical Hibby and for what its worth heres how I view the club and its supporters.

1) Proud of the clubs heritage and they way in which it was born out of poverty and adversity. That appeals to my socialist leanings anyway :greengrin

2) More than happy with the way the club has managed to marry its Irish roots to its Scottish present. There is no doubt that Hibs are a Scottish football club, but in no way embarrassed by, in fact proud of, where it came from.

3) Most of all. I am delighted with the fact that your average Hibs fan couldnt give a Rats ass what nationality or religion his fellow Hibby is or even if he / she has no religion at all. At kick off time there is no religion and there is only one colour and thats the way it should be.


GGTTH
What he said. :agree:

Jeez, I'm beginning to think we're cloned, Bovril.
That's two posts in 24 hrs that I've agreed with your every word.

[Miguel]

Agree with all that's been said above. I always think Hibs have judged thinks perfectly on what can be a vexed question. We haven't forgotten our Irish roots, unlike say Dundee United, but we don't allow them to consume us, as in the case of Celtic.
Having said all that, I have experienced Hibs fans having a pop, always in matches against Celtic. I have heard the odd fan say things like 'get into these tattie munchers' and what have you, but it's pretty much the morons who shout all sorts of stuff.
One interesting historical aside is that Scotland's most successful sectarian political party were found not in Glasgow, but in Edinburgh. During the 1930s, Protestant Action were a real force in the city. They had a lot of support in Leith, and many activists saw no conflict of interest in being Hibs fans.
Hibs mean different things to different people. I'm a fully paid up member of the 'my family have supported Hibs from day one', but I have a mate who grew up in an Orange family who just loves Hibs cause they're Hibs. Not trying to be PC, but we are open to all.
I find that Celtic fans either regard us as being east coast cousins, or feel we aren't 'Irish' enough. I feel a certain amount of understanding about the siege mentality of some Celtic fans. Glasgow and parts of west central Scotland wasn't a good place to be if you were of Catholic/Irish descent for most of the 19th/20th century and in parts still isn't. This has given some Celtic fans a very distorted view of Irish history, a combination of 'Quiet Man' type 'Oirishness' and Republican extremism which is in no way shared by most Irish people. It's basically an Irish version of 'Brigadoon'.

[Bill Milne]

If anti-Irish sentiment exists at all, I'm confident it is only a reaction to the "plastic paddy" nonsense we get from Celtic fans and not anti-Irish per se.

[Keith_M]

I cant say I've ever noticed any anti Irish element in the Hibs support. There are a few like me who get a bit bent out of shape when we see certain elements trying to push us too far in certain directions. If thats viewed as anti Irish in some quarters ... tough.

I reckon I'm a pretty typical Hibby and for what its worth heres how I view the club and its supporters.

1) Proud of the clubs heritage and they way in which it was born out of poverty and adversity. That appeals to my socialist leanings anyway :greengrin

2) More than happy with the way the club has managed to marry its Irish roots to its Scottish present. There is no doubt that Hibs are a Scottish football club, but in no way embarrassed by, in fact proud of, where it came from.

3) Most of all. I am delighted with the fact that your average Hibs fan couldnt give a Rats ass what nationality or religion his fellow Hibby is or even if he / she has no religion at all. At kick off time there is no religion and there is only one colour and thats the way it should be.


GGTTH

Bovril, you've just been appointed the official spokeperson for Hibernian fans worldwide.

:thumbsup:

----

When I lived in Paisley and then Glasgow, I used to love telling Celtc/Rangers supporting friends and colleagues about my wider family and its religious and football leanings, as it used to confuse the hell out of them (given their own prejudices). I thought it worth repeating here.......


My great-great-grandfather (mother's side) was the founder of an Orange Lodge in Airdrie. His son wanted nothing to do with sectarianism and moved away (to Prestonpans) and decided to stop supporting Rangers. He picked one of the local teams, Hearts and that's the team his son (my Grandfather) supported all his life.

His eldest daughter married into a Hearts supporting family from Edinburgh. The family all supported Hearts and were all Roman Catholic, descended from Irish immigrants and with an Irish surname. So, my Grandad (descended from Orangemen) used to sit with his Roman Catholic in-laws at Tynecastle cheering on the Hearts every second week. When Hearts were away and Hibs at home, he went to Easter Road and watched Hibs.

My father's side of the family are all staunch Presbyterian East Lothianers and, almost to man, Hibs supporters. Quite a number of them are also Masons.

So, imagine the scene at Edinburgh derbys when they used to meet up. The Irish Roman Catholic Hearts supporting family and their relative who was descended from Orangemen with the maroon scarves on one side and the Presbyterian masons in green and white scarves cheering on the 'enemy' on the other. Then all back to the pub together for a p*ss up :greengrin

[BH Hibs]

I've never heard any anti-Irish comments from a Hibs fan in my life. up until the mid-seventies, many used to sing some of the "tamer" rebel songs, but this died off eventually after some of the atrocities, be it in mainland uk or indeed Irish soil. some Celtic fans may like to assoiate us with everything anti-celtic . the thing about us being anti-celtic is more to do with the facts, from history when they stole our players, and from more recent times when they "enticed" a lot of our players to make the short journey to East Glasgow. most of my friends(Hibs folk) are definitely not anti-irish and lots of them have family history of Ireland, we also have great friends and marriage relatives in Eire and the North, many of which are keen fans of Hibernian. a friend's wife,Dublin born actually despises Celtic and hates the fact that they sing the Irish anthem in English! most of them probably don't even know the first line,in Irish Gaelic.

What a great idea for a wind up. Wait until they finish singing it then belt out our version in Gaelic.:cb


On second thoughts maybe no :greengrin

[LancashireHibby]

I cant say I've ever noticed any anti Irish element in the Hibs support. There are a few like me who get a bit bent out of shape when we see certain elements trying to push us too far in certain directions. If thats viewed as anti Irish in some quarters ... tough.

I reckon I'm a pretty typical Hibby and for what its worth heres how I view the club and its supporters.

1) Proud of the clubs heritage and they way in which it was born out of poverty and adversity. That appeals to my socialist leanings anyway :greengrin

2) More than happy with the way the club has managed to marry its Irish roots to its Scottish present. There is no doubt that Hibs are a Scottish football club, but in no way embarrassed by, in fact proud of, where it came from.

3) Most of all. I am delighted with the fact that your average Hibs fan couldnt give a Rats ass what nationality or religion his fellow Hibby is or even if he / she has no religion at all. At kick off time there is no religion and there is only one colour and thats the way it should be.


GGTTH

:top marks:top marks:top marks:top marks:top marks:not worth:not worth:not worth

[Kato]

[/B]

What a great idea for a wind up. Wait until they finish singing it then belt out our version in Gaelic.:cb


On second thoughts maybe no :greengrin

I've an Irish pal who spent time in London, where he supported Millwall, and on moving up to Glasgow went to one Celtic game and came away disgusted at their portrayal of "Irishness". In the boozer afterwards he heard them sing the anglicised version of the Soldier's Song and mentioned that this was the first time he had ever heard the song sung like that and that the actual Anthem was sung in gaelic and that the words had a different meaning. Celtic fans were'nt too pleased when he sang them the real version - felt left out on not being Irish enough I suppose. He's now been Hibby for around 20 years and said after a few Hibs games that he felt Hibs fans had the correct balance between their history and what they grew to be.



They had a lot of support in Leith, and many activists saw no conflict of interest in being Hibs fans.

I reckon the Conservative and Unionist Party might have been a bit more successful although not in reecent years.


They had a lot of support in Leith, and many activists saw no conflict of interest in being Hibs fans.

Which activist's in Protestant Action were Hibs fans?

[Johnny Clash]

Here's a pretty good song by the Wolftones called Hibernia.

They mention the Hibs of Edinburgh - plenty Hibs images - decent tune as well.


http://youtu.be/yj-2VYeUHxs


http://youtu.be/yj-2VYeUHxs

[Dashing Bob S]

Here's a pretty good song by the Wolftones called Hibernia.

They mention the Hibs of Edinburgh - plenty Hibs images - decent tune as well.


http://youtu.be/yj-2VYeUHxs


http://youtu.be/yj-2VYeUHxs

I like this one. Sort of gave up on the Wolfetones when then de-evolved from a balladeers of Irish freedom into a sectarian Celtic FC social club band. I can't see many Celtic fans signing this song though, and I can see a few getting upset about it!

[Kato]

Here's a pretty good song by the Wolftones called Hibernia.

They mention the Hibs of Edinburgh - plenty Hibs images - decent tune as well.


http://youtu.be/yj-2VYeUHxs


http://youtu.be/yj-2VYeUHxs

Andy Goram (both of them) will delighted that he's appearing in that.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Fair enough the cat amongst the pigeons/Can of worms vids weren't working didn't mean to offend but accept a smiley wouldn't have gone a-miss... :agree:.

I hadn't heard the term "soup-takers" until I put up a respectful "Dreaming in Green" thread on the Shamrock Rovers forum around the time we were to play Celtic in the SC Final. To be fair I think it was called correctly by the regulars as an OF poster which they were fed up of.

I like to consider myself reasonably culturally aware but that one passed me by - then again perhaps an East Coast upbringing removes you from a lotta that bile...

Since I've been going ('87) I've never heard of an anti-Irish faction. As a club we've embraced diversity and that is in part reflected in the current badge which is diplomacy personified :) not too sure about the origins of the Ball/Crown incantation but change was necessitated due to the unapproved use of the crown. The Duff and Gray era dreamed up the bizarre beer label design and thankfully after the take over STF and co rightly decided a new chapter was in order. So perhaps this move away from the original Harp was perceived as the result of an anti-Irish "faction"?

I think the one with the crown was from Tom Hart, based on Real Madrid's.

[khib70]

I've an Irish pal who spent time in London, where he supported Millwall, and on moving up to Glasgow went to one Celtic game and came away disgusted at their portrayal of "Irishness". In the boozer afterwards he heard them sing the anglicised version of the Soldier's Song and mentioned that this was the first time he had ever heard the song sung like that and that the actual Anthem was sung in gaelic and that the words had a different meaning. Celtic fans were'nt too pleased when he sang them the real version - felt left out on not being Irish enough I suppose. He's now been Hibby for around 20 years and said after a few Hibs games that he felt Hibs fans had the correct balance between their history and what they grew to be.




I reckon the Conservative and Unionist Party might have been a bit more successful although not in reecent years.



Which activist's in Protestant Action were Hibs fans?
:agree:Agree with you completely. But can never resist the urge towards pedantry....

The Irish national anthem was written in English in 1907. The Irish version didn't appear until 1926. Not that the unwashed hordes would actually know that! See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_national_anthem

[Miguel]

I've an Irish pal who spent time in London, where he supported Millwall, and on moving up to Glasgow went to one Celtic game and came away disgusted at their portrayal of "Irishness". In the boozer afterwards he heard them sing the anglicised version of the Soldier's Song and mentioned that this was the first time he had ever heard the song sung like that and that the actual Anthem was sung in gaelic and that the words had a different meaning. Celtic fans were'nt too pleased when he sang them the real version - felt left out on not being Irish enough I suppose. He's now been Hibby for around 20 years and said after a few Hibs games that he felt Hibs fans had the correct balance between their history and what they grew to be.




I reckon the Conservative and Unionist Party might have been a bit more successful although not in reecent years.



Which activist's in Protestant Action were Hibs fans?

Don't think, strictly speaking, the Tories were a sectarian party, although they drew on the 'Orange' vote, particularly in the west of Scotland. I can't recall the names of the PA activists, but the reference is from 'Edinburgh Divided', Tom Gallagher's study of the period.
Also remember reading a letter to the 'Evening News' about the time the current Leith Athletic formed that the old club drew on supporters from the area who didn't feel comfortable at Hibernian.

[khib70]

Don't think, strictly speaking, the Tories were a sectarian party, although they drew on the 'Orange' vote, particularly in the west of Scotland. I can't recall the names of the PA activists, but the reference is from 'Edinburgh Divided', Tom Gallagher's study of the period.
Also remember reading a letter to the 'Evening News' about the time the current Leith Athletic formed that the old club drew on supporters from the area who didn't feel comfortable at Hibernian.
PA, shamefully, had quite a following at one time, even winning seats on the council. The top man was one John Cormack, equally shamefully, a councillor for South Leith. There's a bit in this Evening News article about him....
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/life-style/crossing-the-great-divide-1-1187031

[superbam]

I find that Celtic fans either regard us as being east coast cousins, or feel we aren't 'Irish' enough. I feel a certain amount of understanding about the siege mentality of some Celtic fans. Glasgow and parts of west central Scotland wasn't a good place to be if you were of Catholic/Irish descent for most of the 19th/20th century and in parts still isn't. This has given some Celtic fans a very distorted view of Irish history, a combination of 'Quiet Man' type 'Oirishness' and Republican extremism which is in no way shared by most Irish people. It's basically an Irish version of 'Brigadoon'.

I agree with this - I think it is a characteristic of most diaspora communities - holding on to one romanticized, exaggerated and narrow expression of the nation and holding it as static and unchanging. I have a lot of Irish American family and some of their patter on "Irishness" is rather similar to elements of the Celtic support (and indeed some of our own). And a lot of folks over here find Celtic's chat as cringeworthy as Riverdance. The dynamics of sectarianism (or more specifically anti-Irish racism) that you mention above in parts of the central belt, and our proximity to the conflict in the north, have exacerbated the political dimension to this in Scotland's case.

[Miguel]

I agree with this - I think it is a characteristic of most diaspora communities - holding on to one romanticized, exaggerated and narrow expression of the nation and holding it as static and unchanging. I have a lot of Irish American family and some of their patter on "Irishness" is rather similar to elements of the Celtic support (and indeed some of our own). And a lot of folks over here find Celtic's chat as cringeworthy as Riverdance. The dynamics of sectarianism (or more specifically anti-Irish racism) that you mention above in parts of the central belt, and our proximity to the conflict in the north, have exacerbated the political dimension to this in Scotland's case.

Agree. Think we also have to take poverty into account. This sort of nonsense thrives on it. As well as ignorance.

[Paisley Hibby]

If anti-Irish sentiment exists at all, I'm confident it is only a reaction to the "plastic paddy" nonsense we get from Celtic fans and not anti-Irish per se.

I think you're right about that mate. Their "we're so Irish it's unbelievable" shenanigans certainly annoys me. So does the ulster unionist crap that the other lot come out with. So to follow the logic of Celtic Fans that must make me anti Irish AND anti Unionist :rolleyes:

[surreyhibbie]

I cant say I've ever noticed any anti Irish element in the Hibs support. There are a few like me who get a bit bent out of shape when we see certain elements trying to push us too far in certain directions. If thats viewed as anti Irish in some quarters ... tough.

I reckon I'm a pretty typical Hibby and for what its worth heres how I view the club and its supporters.

1) Proud of the clubs heritage and they way in which it was born out of poverty and adversity. That appeals to my socialist leanings anyway :greengrin

2) More than happy with the way the club has managed to marry its Irish roots to its Scottish present. There is no doubt that Hibs are a Scottish football club, but in no way embarrassed by, in fact proud of, where it came from.

3) Most of all. I am delighted with the fact that your average Hibs fan couldnt give a Rats ass what nationality or religion his fellow Hibby is or even if he / she has no religion at all. At kick off time there is no religion and there is only one colour and thats the way it should be.


GGTTH
:top marks couldn't agree more.