Fenlon wants hibs player to have mental fortitude

[WestStandMoaner]

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM TODAY'S SCOTSMAN-A man under pressure thanks to a poor start to the season, he says he is thick skinned enough to cope with that but he wants his players to prove they also have the mental fortitude to cope with the weight of match day expectations.
“I think we’ve got good players but they’ve got to go and show that now. Because when you come to a big club, as Hibs is, you’ve got to be prepared to handle the pressure of that. That’s something you’ve got to stand up and do, whether that’s as a player or a coach or a manager. We’ve got to make sure we get the best out of everybody and drive each other on but it’s about finding that balance and getting a bit of confidence and then I think they’ll kick on.”

[Northernhibee]

Fair enough.

[PeterboroHibee]

I agree with what he is saying, but I dont understand why they arent able to cope with match day expectations? The majority of them are more than capable footballers as we have seen in the past, and at the moment I think all the fans want to see is them play the game properly (ie not booting it long), which we have also seen them do in patches - if they can do that we will at least be competitive, and it will get a lot of the fans back on side.

[WestStandMoaner]

I agree with what he is saying, but I dont understand why they arent able to cope with match day expectations? The majority of them are more than capable footballers as we have seen in the past, and at the moment I think all the fans want to see is them play the game properly (ie not booting it long), which we have also seen them do in patches - if they can do that we will at least be competitive, and it will get a lot of the fans back on side.
Correct you will never win any sport without having a strong mind, unfortunately Hibs have had their fair share of weak minded players in the past, hopefully Pat can install some belief, because it sounds to me he is concerned

[Brooster]

Just as Jimmy Nichol said to that geezer on George Street the other night.

[Hibercelona]

I agree with what he says. But I don't agree with his ability to make it happen.

Players can go out there with all the confidence in the world. But if there's no proper game plan in place, it counts for nothing.

When was the last time players looked as if they had a clue what they were doing on the pitch?

[silverhibee]

They should be fine tomorrow then playing infront of a couple of thousand fans against Killie.

No pressure.

[Stevie Reid]

I agree with what he says. But I don't agree with his ability to make it happen.

Players can go out there with all the confidence in the world. But if there's no proper game plan in place, it counts for nothing.

When was the last time players looked as if they had a clue what they were doing on the pitch?

I think the first 50% of both halves against Motherwell we were fine (without creating many clear cut chances), there was a pattern to our play and we got the ball to Harris regularly - sadly he had a mare in the 1st half, but was our most threatening player in the 2nd up til his injury.

However, we have been completely flat and hopeless since then, as we have no creative outlet, nor anyone with pace in the team.

[WestStandMoaner]

Just as Jimmy Nichol said to that geezer on George Street the other night. That geezer was me and I was shot down from many on the Hibs net for mentioning it, it seems this is the general feeling of the Hibs Management

[Hibercelona]

I think the first 50% of both halves against Motherwell we were fine, there was a pattern to our play and we got the ball to Harris regularly - sadly he had a mare in the 1st half, but was our most threatening player in the 2nd up til his injury.

However, we have been completely flat and hopeless since then, as we have no creative outlet, nor anyone with pace in the team.

The problem I have with this Stevie is that we always seem very reliant on one player to perform in a game, when there should be multiple attacking options.

As you say, we look completely flat and appear to lack any real creativety or game plan. We had a player last season who could pick the ball up at the half way line and run up and score a goal. Harris certainly won't do that for us (when fit to play) and I don't think it would be fair to place such expectations on him.

Every player needs to dig in and be on the same wavelength. We look very disjointed all over the park. It's the managers job to fix this.

He can talk about confidence and effort all he wants. But he has to have some sort of game plan. Something we're seriously lacking.

[blackpoolhibs]

Is this not part of the managers job, making sure he signs the right types, not weak shy players frightened of their own shadows? :confused:

The excuses are getting more ridiculous each season. :rolleyes:

[Captain Trips]

Is this not part of the managers job, making sure he signs the right types, not weak shy players frightened of their own shadows? :confused:

The excuses are getting more ridiculous each season. :rolleyes:

This

All that has been mentioned by PF I would fully expect a pro player signing on at not just Hibs but any SPL club to do as standard.

[Stevie Reid]

The problem I have with this Stevie is that we always seem very reliant on one player to perform in a game, when there should be multiple attacking options.

As you say, we look completely flat and appear to lack any real creativety or game plan. We had a player last season who could pick the ball up at the half way line and run up and score a goal. Harris certainly won't do that for us (when fit to play) and I don't think it would be fair to place such expectations on him.

Every player needs to dig in and be on the same wavelength. We look very disjointed all over the park. It's the managers job to fix this.

He can talk about confidence and effort all he wants. But he has to have some sort of game plan. Something we're seriously lacking.

I don't disagree with much of that, whilst Cairney and Harris' injuries are unfortunate, we should still have other focal points in the side, and a discernible pattern to our play, and I'm in no way trying to excuse Fenlon as the blame lies squarely with him.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Correct you will never win any sport without having a strong mind, unfortunately Hibs have had their fair share of weak minded players in the past, hopefully Pat can install some belief, because it sounds to me he is concerned

Name some.

[silverhibee]

Is this not part of the managers job, making sure he signs the right types, not weak shy players frightened of their own shadows? :confused:

The excuses are getting more ridiculous each game. :rolleyes:

Changed that for you. :greengrin

[WestStandMoaner]

Name some.
You just have to look at how many times over the last few years a Hibs team have bottled it in front of big crowds to no know. Assuming you go to the games

[Scouse Hibee]

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM TODAY'S SCOTSMAN-A man under pressure thanks to a poor start to the season, he says he is thick skinned enough to cope with that but he wants his players to prove they also have the mental fortitude to cope with the weight of match day expectations.
“I think we’ve got good players but they’ve got to go and show that now. Because when you come to a big club, as Hibs is, you’ve got to be prepared to handle the pressure of that. That’s something you’ve got to stand up and do, whether that’s as a player or a coach or a manager. We’ve got to make sure we get the best out of everybody and drive each other on but it’s about finding that balance and getting a bit of confidence and then I think they’ll kick on.”

Players that have come from other SPL teams who have out performed Hibs, a player that scored a hat trick against Stoke in the FA cup and others who have played in England in front of bigger crowds are suddenly feeling the pressure at Hibs! I don't buy any of that at all.

[blackpoolhibs]

You just have to look at how many times over the last few years a Hibs team have bottled it in front of big crowds to no know. Assuming you go to the games

I couldn't name anyone in this lot who are frightened of playing in front of a big crowd? I wonder when a small crowd turns into a bigger one for them, and is it the same number for all?

I wonder if some are frightened at 7k some at 8k some at 9k and the rest at 12k. If only our fans could cause a wee bit of trouble and get the ground closed for a while, we could quite easily win the league if only our fans cared enough?

[Hibercelona]

I couldn't name anyone in this lot who are frightened of playing in front of a big crowd? I wonder when a small crowd turns into a bigger one for them, and is it the same number for all?

I wonder if some are frightened at 7k some at 8k some at 9k and the rest at 12k. If only our fans could cause a wee bit of trouble and get the ground closed for a while, we could quite easily win the league if only our fans cared enough?

:agree:

I care enough not to turn up for games these days. I'm happy knowing that i'm helping the players out by reducing the attendance figure.

[Hibrandenburg]

Wish some of our fans had more mental fortitude.

[Hibercelona]

Wish some of our fans had more mental fortitude.

Personally, I think its a miracle that over 9,000 still turn up for games.

[Brightside]

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM TODAY'S SCOTSMAN-A man under pressure thanks to a poor start to the season, he says he is thick skinned enough to cope with that but he wants his players to prove they also have the mental fortitude to cope with the weight of match day expectations.
“I think we’ve got good players but they’ve got to go and show that now. Because when you come to a big club, as Hibs is, you’ve got to be prepared to handle the pressure of that. That’s something you’ve got to stand up and do, whether that’s as a player or a coach or a manager. We’ve got to make sure we get the best out of everybody and drive each other on but it’s about finding that balance and getting a bit of confidence and then I think they’ll kick on.”

I'll say this for the last time. ITS HIS JOB! If he thinks they are letting him down he should drop them and let a boy take their place. Stop cuddling the little shiyites. Im sick to death of the rubbish that he continues to spout. Its the SPL not the ****** World Cup!

[Hibrandenburg]

Personally, I think its a miracle that over 9,000 still turn up for games.

Hope eternal! What being a fan is about, come rain come hail!

[GreenCastle]

Wish some of our fans had more mental fortitude.

You can't blame the fans at all -the team getting the following it's had over the last few years considering we have been terrible - many teams crowds would have seriously dropped more than us.

Fenlon talked when he arrived about signing players with a better mentality and Hibs used the slogan - team with more bottle.

Surely when identifying a player this is a key consideration ?

Some strange things coming out of his mouth recently - if all else fails go off on complete tangents and try and blame someone / something. :confused:

[Saorsa]

That geezer was me and I was shot down from many on the Hibs net for mentioning it, it seems this is the general feeling of the Hibs Managementor another excuse for their failure?

[Hibercelona]

Hope eternal! What being a fan is about, come rain come hail!

So you think being a fan is about being taken for a ride?

Because that's what the clubs doing. I don't believe the board value the fans, unless it involves how much money they have in thier back pocket on match day.

I'm all for following the team through thick and thin. But we actually need a team first.

[Hibrandenburg]

You can't blame the fans at all -the team getting the following it's had over the last few years considering we have been terrible - many teams crowds would have seriously dropped more than us.

Fenlon talked when he arrived about signing players with a better mentality and Hibs used the slogan - team with more bottle.

Surely when identifying a player this is a key consideration ?

Some strange things coming out of his mouth recently - if all else fails go off on complete tangents and try and blame someone / something. :confused:

Not blaming the fans, just suggesting that the expectations might be a bit high. With the exception of a few blips of sunshine it's been pretty dire being a Hibby the last 40 or so years and the recent manager revolving door hasn't changed that and I see no reason why another change will make any difference.

[Hibercelona]

Not blaming the fans, just suggesting that the expectations might be a bit high. With the exception of a few blips of sunshine it's been pretty dire being a Hibby the last 40 or so years and the recent manager revolving door hasn't changed that and I see no reason why another change will make any difference.

How can expectations be too high? Nobodies asking Hibs to win the league.

Top 6 should be standard. Top 3 should be expected. That's not high expectations, that's simply where we should be.

[Golden Bear]

THIS IS A QUOTE FROM TODAY'S SCOTSMAN-A man under pressure thanks to a poor start to the season, he says he is thick skinned enough to cope with that but he wants his players to prove they also have the mental fortitude to cope with the weight of match day expectations.
“I think we’ve got good players but they’ve got to go and show that now. Because when you come to a big club, as Hibs is, you’ve got to be prepared to handle the pressure of that. That’s something you’ve got to stand up and do, whether that’s as a player or a coach or a manager. We’ve got to make sure we get the best out of everybody and drive each other on but it’s about finding that balance and getting a bit of confidence and then I think they’ll kick on.”

Aye well Pat that was one of your stated objectives when you were first appointed so it seems as though you've failed miserably up until now.

[Hibrandenburg]

So you think being a fan is about being taken for a ride?

Because that's what the clubs doing. I don't believe the board value the fans, unless it involves how much money they have in thier back pocket on match day.

I'm all for following the team through thick and thin. But we actually need a team first.

Aye, a rollercoaster ride. Football's like that, you spend much more time going up than you actually spend up.

[Hibercelona]

Aye, a rollercoaster ride. Football's like that, you spend much more time going up than you actually spend up.

Aye, but roller coasters actually go up at some point. We've just been going down, followed by more down, folowed by even more down. We must be well below the Earths crust by now.

[Hibrandenburg]

How can expectations be too high? Nobodies asking Hibs to win the league.

Top 6 should be standard. Top 3 should be expected. That's not high expectations, that's simply where we should be.

**** me if everything was a foregone conclusion then there'd be no point going to the games. How did you ever survive us getting relegated.

[Hibrandenburg]

Aye, but roller coasters actually go up at some point. We've just been going down, followed by more down, folowed by even more down. We must be well below the Earths crust by now.

Wow, what a dark world you live in. We'll rise again.

[Stringer]

This is Wenger's mental strength stuff. Pat will trot out this quote in every post match loss.

[Hibercelona]

Wow, what a dark world you live in. We'll rise again.

And in this dark word, the darkest place is Easter Road at the moment. :rolleyes:

[Hibercelona]

**** me if everything was a foregone conclusion then there'd be no point going to the games. How did you ever survive us getting relegated.

I was quite young when we got relegated and never really bothered with football at the time. I would have been devastated though. Just as i'll be devastated if we get relegated this season.

But you make it sound as if relegation is ok for a club like Hibs?

[GreenCastle]

Not blaming the fans, just suggesting that the expectations might be a bit high. With the exception of a few blips of sunshine it's been pretty dire being a Hibby the last 40 or so years and the recent manager revolving door hasn't changed that and I see no reason why another change will make any difference.

Glass half empty ?

Expectations too high ? No don't think so - as someone else said -For a capital city club with the resources and fan base we have. Top 6 should be standard. Top 3 should be expected. I would be expecting that even with a stronger Hearts team and Rangers in the league!

Pretty dire being a Hibby - maybe it has been for all those years...I'm not as old as you but been around long enough to have seen the potential - some good times and some terrible times (like relegation).

However I consider Hibs to have the infrastructure and potential to improve and grow and not be dire any longer.

Easy - no

Possible -yes - so rather than us moaning about the past - when don't we as fans try and improve the future and change the face of the club for the next 40 years so we have something positive to talk about.

It's not just as simple as changing the manager - the problem is deeper but the bottom line is what's happening right now isn't good enough and as fans we need to stick together to affect change.

[Captain Trips]

Aye, but roller coasters actually go up at some point. We've just been going down, followed by more down, folowed by even more down. We must be well below the Earths crust by now.

Things are that bad we passed Doug McClure on the way.

[GreenCastle]

**** me if everything was a foregone conclusion then there'd be no point going to the games. How did you ever survive us getting relegated.

Strangely after we were relegated we actually played more attractive football and entertained the fans with players like Latapy.

However we shouldn't even be contemplating such a position with the competition in this league (no rangers and a weakened Hearts!).

[Stringer]

I was quite young when we got relegated and never really bothered with football at the time. I would have been devastated though. Just as i'll be devastated if we get relegated this season.

But you make it sound as if relegation is ok for a club like Hibs?

This Killie game is a 6 pointer.:cb

The relegation chat is awful. This won't be a good season but there is no way we will get relegated.

[Hibercelona]

Things are that bad we passed Doug McClure on the way.

Was that before or after Mercer? :dunno:

[Hibercelona]

This Killie game is a 6 pointer.:cb

The relegation chat is awful. This won't be a good season but there is no way we will get relegated.

I hope you're right mate. But just remember that there is the play off format this season for the team that finishes 11th.

If we do happen to finish 11th, I wouldn't put any money on Hibs winning the play off!

[Brightside]

Can we find out who these players are who are scared of the BIG CROWD. and playing for a BIG team like HIBS. It can only be one or two of the new players...so its Craig and OTJ? The rest have all played for BIG clubs or have been here a while. Craig isnt scared he's just bloody confused.

[silverhibee]

I couldn't name anyone in this lot who are frightened of playing in front of a big crowd? I wonder when a small crowd turns into a bigger one for them, and is it the same number for all?

I wonder if some are frightened at 7k some at 8k some at 9k and the rest at 12k. If only our fans could cause a wee bit of trouble and get the ground closed for a while, we could quite easily win the league if only our fans cared enough?


Is this why we do so well in closed door games.

[blackpoolhibs]

Is this why we do so well in closed door games.

:greengrin

[Captain Trips]

Is this why we do so well in closed door games.

Why don't we see if Arsenal still have this and we could buy it see how we get on:

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/aug_11/gun__1312808211_125picture_003.jpg

[silverhibee]

Wow, what a dark world you live in. We'll rise again.


2018

[Hibercelona]

2018

:agree:

2018 will come about Hibs greatest achievement when Petrie finally realises that he had no plan all along and decides to walk out.

Rejoyce!

[silverhibee]

Why don't we see if Arsenal still have this and we could buy it see how we get on:

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/aug_11/gun__1312808211_125picture_003.jpg

Think this is the way ahead for HFC.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/29/article-2180579-1446695B000005DC-466_964x622.jpg

[Hibercelona]

Think this is the way ahead for HFC.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/29/article-2180579-1446695B000005DC-466_964x622.jpg

http://oi42.tinypic.com/23v1e95.jpg

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I agree with what he had said in the article and also with the fact that he includes himself in it as well.
Which ever way you peel and boil it though, if we don't get a performance this weekend it will surely be..:bye:

[Golden Bear]

This Killie game is a 6 pointer.:cb

The relegation chat is awful. This won't be a good season but there is no way we will get relegated.

Really! In reality if you don't score goals or create opportunities then you'll find yourselves in deep merde before very long.

[Leith Green]

So basically some of Fenlons signings lack mental strength. Or maybe they arent playing for him?? Either he is at fault for signing a bunch of fairys or he has lost sections of the dressing room is my take on it..

[Sammy7nil]

Wish some of our fans had more mental fortitude.

The team gets the fans it deserves. :agree:

[Saorsa]

Was that before or after Mercer? :dunno:Definitely efter, Mercer is only 6 ft. under :wink:

[Sammy7nil]

**** me if everything was a foregone conclusion then there'd be no point going to the games. How did you ever survive us getting relegated.

Look at the league winners over the past 30 years some things are a foregone conclusion. No one outside the OF wins the league.
Look at the top 6 in EPL not many break in that.

Hibs should consistantly finish in top 6 this gives room for improvement or decline. We should expect the odd blip with us dropping occasionally out of the top 6 not the other way round.

[LeithBoozy]

Well now I know what went wrong in our home game with Malmo, they came out the tunnel and shi$t themselves at the size of the crowd. If it was not so funny Id greet, I will soon be looking forward to the full time excuses than the game. :rolleyes:

[silverhibee]

http://oi42.tinypic.com/23v1e95.jpg

:greengrin

[Captain Trips]

Hopefully this will put players ay ease for an easy 3pts:

http://www.nathanandbecky.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Tumbleweed_rolling_2.jpg

[Jonnyboy]

Just as Jimmy Nichol said to that geezer on George Street the other night.

Not really S. The geezer reported that JN had said some players were unable to deal with the big crowds. Not the same as being unable to deal with big crowd expectations. :agree:

[Hiber-nation]

2018

Behave, our crowd will never be as bad as that :wink:

[jodjam]

I'll say this for the last time. ITS HIS JOB! If he thinks they are letting him down he should drop them and let a boy take their place. Stop cuddling the little shiyites. Im sick to death of the rubbish that he continues to spout. Its the SPL not the ****** World Cup!

Totally agree. Maybe cos when coming thru the ranks from 7 a side footy these lads were standouts. Always being praised by coaches/teachers/parents. Now that they can be criticised they may go into their shell tho as you say PF should be capable of addressing this.

[MADE IN LEITH]

I agree with what he had said in the article and also with the fact that he includes himself in it as well.
Which ever way you peel and boil it though, if we don't get a performance this weekend it will surely be..:bye:
Don't bet on it mate.... I think he will last at least until December and by then it will be too late :rolleyes:

[Beefster]

Fenlon does love to blame the players.

[down-the-slope]

Fenlon does love to blame the players.

:confused: Hearts match was the first time in 20 months I remember him 'blaming' players. Always we/us etc before that. Do you not think the players deserve a bit of a kick up the erchie?

[Beefster]

:confused: Hearts match was the first time in 20 months I remember him 'blaming' players. Always we/us etc before that. Do you not think the players deserve a bit of a kick up the erchie?

I can't do anything about your memory.

I find it a bit rich that the biggest barrier to success at Hibs is complaining about others.