In Summation

[Speedway]

- PF is a nice guy

- PF has worked hard

- PF steadied the ship after Calderfud

- PF has brought in a decent standard of player

- PF has presided over too many embarrassments to be able to remain in the Hibs job

- Kenny 'Maturity' Shiels is thought by a number of our support as a good idea to replace PF

- The Board's job is nothing beyond ensuring that the owner does not need to put money in each year to carry on keeping the club afloat and yet we're looking for 'ambition' to be shown.

- The Board, the Management and many of the supporters are now conditioned to accepting defeat - thus becoming actual 'losers'

- What we need is a new manager as if a slow unbalanced squad will suddenly become a faster balanced one.

- No-one is prepared to give PF, Lexo-style time to build a side.

- People want PF out but will neither protest nor boycott games, just write some emails instead.

- After being cheated on several times, fans have been enticed back into the relationship by being flirted with a big pair of cup finals only to be cheated on once again by their green and white girlfriend.

Does that surmise the position fairly accurately?

[scuttle]

Pretty much sums it up for me too, except i dont want sheils at Hibs [Kenny that is]

[Unseen work]

Sacking fenlon and bringing in shiels would be a awful idea imo, Sheils has done nothin to merit being linked with the job. Either stick it out with fenlon to see if he comes good, or line up a very good replacement that they think will deffinetley improve us. None of this sack him with nothing up our sleeves and end up getting a run of the mill manager that will be just as bad if not worse.

Today was poor, especially against that hearts team but we never looked like conceding then we did do to a lucky break of the ball and a great cross. We missed a good 4 odd chances. When everyone is fit we have a very good team

[MotherSuperior]

Sacking fenlon and bringing in shiels would be a awful idea imo, Sheils has done nothin to merit being linked with the job. Either stick it out with fenlon to see if he comes good, or line up a very good replacement that they think will deffinetley improve us. None of this sack him with nothing up our sleeves and end up getting a run of the mill manager that will be just as bad if not worse.

Today was poor, especially against that hearts team but we never looked like conceding then we did do to a lucky break of the ball and a great cross. We missed a good 4 odd chances. When everyone is fit we have a very good team

Shiels won the league cup, beating Celtic in the final. He also had killie playing the kind of football we haven't seen from hibs side since TM.

[Billychaotic182]

I'd rather bring back Mixu

[Hibercelona]

Today was poor, especially against that hearts team but we never looked like conceding then we did do to a lucky break of the ball and a great cross. We missed a good 4 odd chances. When everyone is fit we have a very good team

Funny how it's always the opposition teams that get the lucky break of the balls, but not us. You'd think that being a "very good team", we'd be capable of creating our own luck...

[Unseen work]

Shiels won the league cup, beating Celtic in the final. He also had killie playing the kind of football we haven't seen from hibs side since TM.

Where did Kilmarnock finish last season?

[Unseen work]

Funny how it's always the opposition teams that get the lucky break of the balls, but not us. You'd think that being a "very good team", we'd be capable of creating our own luck...

I said when everyone is fit. Most of the time the team most confident and willing to go that extra yard get the luck, today that was hearts. We had plenty of breaks last season when we were doing very well. In the position were in right now even if we did get a lucky break I wouldn't be convinced of us scoring from it.

[Speedway]

If Fenlon looks like he's missing the top six he'll be sacked.

If he hangs on to mediocrity in the meantime he'll be safe.

Jimmy Nicholl doesn't seem to have made a difference and 'strugglin' strugglin' Brown beat us today.

We've taken enough now. Hibs winning their next three matches...ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, sorry couldn't finish that sentence.

[londonhibby]

Even though Stuart Bathgate's a Jambo, he talks sense here:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/stuart-bathgate-pat-fenlon-s-time-has-run-out-1-3040813

[Purehibee_MYB]

Even though Stuart Bathgate's a Jambo, he talks sense here:

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/stuart-bathgate-pat-fenlon-s-time-has-run-out-1-3040813

Would usually dismiss anything he says, and usually still would. But he says a lot of things that I have been saying today, most notably the lack of football from the team and the blame ultimately having to fall at Fenlon's feet.

[francobaresi]

- PF is a nice guy

-- The Board's job is nothing beyond ensuring that the owner does not need to put money in each year to carry on keeping the club afloat and yet we're looking for 'ambition' to be shown.

- The Board, the Management and many of the supporters are now conditioned to accepting defeat - thus becoming actual 'losers'

-Does that surmise the position fairly accurately?

Well said, 100% as it is...

[truehibernian]

And that sadly even the Edinburgh pandas appear to have hit the target more than Hibs this season.

Very depressing times at Hibernian Football Club I'm afraid.

[The Sea-gull]

- PF is a nice guy

- PF has worked hard

- PF steadied the ship after Calderfud

- PF has brought in a decent standard of player

- PF has presided over too many embarrassments to be able to remain in the Hibs job

- Kenny 'Maturity' Shiels is thought by a number of our support as a good idea to replace PF

- The Board's job is nothing beyond ensuring that the owner does not need to put money in each year to carry on keeping the club afloat and yet we're looking for 'ambition' to be shown.

- The Board, the Management and many of the supporters are now conditioned to accepting defeat - thus becoming actual 'losers'

- What we need is a new manager as if a slow unbalanced squad will suddenly become a faster balanced one.

- No-one is prepared to give PF, Lexo-style time to build a side.

- People want PF out but will neither protest nor boycott games, just write some emails instead.

- After being cheated on several times, fans have been enticed back into the relationship by being flirted with a big pair of cup finals only to be cheated on once again by their green and white girlfriend.

Does that surmise the position fairly accurately?

Take a look at the attendances - people have been boycotting games for a while now.

[gegs70]

We were lucky last year as Griffiths scored a load of goals, so did doyle....we havent really replaced them we brought one decent forward who we hve been told will score goals? He has brought in a few duds over the seasons Done and Kuqi to name a few also.

[Speedway]

Take a look at the attendances - people have been boycotting games for a while now.

Are we not just down to our normal level again now?

[steakbake]

Funny how it's always the opposition teams that get the lucky break of the balls, but not us. You'd think that being a "very good team", we'd be capable of creating our own luck...

A manager who begins to regularly bemoan their luck, as if Dame Fortune takes it in turns to bestow it on other teams has begun to lose the cause. Before they got the bullet, both Hughes and Calderwood would talk of getting the rub of the green or a change in fortunes and all would be well.

It takes me back to my casino-going days where those down to their last few chips would hit the ATM in the belief that luck is some kind of cyclical commodity which returns as long as you ride out the bad streak.

I'd rather rely on a manager's good judgement than the wheel of fortune.

[Treadstone]

Pat Fenlon didn't steady the ship after CC. That season his points per game was worse than Calderclowns. Even the disaster that was Calderwood would have avoided relelgation by virtue of the fact that the Pars were so poor. Fenlon should have left us in May '12.
This is not to be taken as a defence of Calderwood rather an illustration of Fenlons shortcomings.

[Speedway]

Is it unrealistic to want a manager to tell his players that all opposition teams are human evil and any time they get the ball, it should be taken as a personal insult and to not stop scoring when you get to seven?

Then to finish by saying that if they dare come back into the dressing room without a win, they'll be fined a week's wages.

[IWasThere2016]

Pat Fenlon didn't steady the ship after CC. That season his points per game was worse than Calderclowns. Even the disaster that was Calderwood would have avoided relelgation by virtue of the fact that the Pars were so poor. Fenlon should have left us in May '12.
This is not to be taken as a defence of Calderwood rather an illustration of Fenlons shortcomings.

Yup - we were higher up the league under CC (albeit in an unnacceptable position and playing poor football also). Pat's time is up..

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Where did Kilmarnock finish last season?

If Shiels got the job, would you anticipate him bringing in all the players that he had at Kilmarnock? If not, I don't see the point in your post.

[Speedway]

I've never called for a manager to be sacked. I defended Alex Miller till the end and I stayed loyal to Bobby Williamson in the hope that he'd turn things around.

Even with Calderwood, although my patience was threadbare, I always gave him another chance.

But, I've finally had enough.

Yesterday's result was no surprise. I expected Hearts to be ultra fired up in their first home game after the summer they've had and I expected them to win. They've adopted a siege mentality, rightly so, and they'll feel that they've got plenty of points to prove. The fact that their first game in administration was against us, just increased their determination.

It's 11 v 11 regardless of age and those young players will do relatively well at the beginning of the season. We won't be the only team they beat, but they'll burn out as the season wears on. Injuries will mount up, heavy grounds will arrive and the early season enthusiasm and energy will wane.

Even the goal was as a result of a stupid and unnecessary challenge by McGivern which let the boy skip down the line and fire in a speculative cross. Bullet finish by Paterson, tbf.

So the result itself hasn't tipped the scales for me, but the performance has. There are good players in that Hibs team, but they look like they don't know what they're doing.

There's no obvious system, no movement and, apart from hopeful long balls, no service to the front players. It's horrible.

I don't know who we can afford to bring in, but for the first time in my life, I do believe the manager should go. I WANT him to go. There, I said it.

He really should resign, but no one does that anymore. They all believe they can turn it around.

I don't believe Fenlon can.

There are a few posters on here who, like me, have always backed the manager, but I've noticed their attitudes changing this time.

When you lose folk like that, things must be very bad.

Time for (another) change.

Time for (another) change.

:agree:

If the manager isn't a complete walking stick then you want them to sort it out.

I think Pat's done a lot of good but it's impossible to suggest that he's not out of his depth when results, performances and players signed for being good at the same level become crap under him.

[JeMeSouviens]

He really should resign, but no one does that anymore. They all believe they can turn it around.

Do they really? Or do they just stand to lose the outstanding value of their contracts?

Mutually consented = sacked but paid off.

[Hibbyradge]

Do they really? Or do they just stand to lose the outstanding value of their contracts?

Mutually consented = sacked but paid off.

There's that too. :agree:

[Treadstone]

What about gardening leave ? Just pay him his salary as normal till contract runs down at end of the season and relieve him of his duties.

Simples.

[NOLA]

silence coming out of ER is deafening, tells us all we need to know :rolleyes: