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archiebald
11-08-2013, 01:00 PM
McCall ?

Alfred E Newman
11-08-2013, 01:02 PM
Somebody cheap.

easty
11-08-2013, 01:04 PM
Richard and Judy could come in and do a better job!

PatHead
11-08-2013, 01:05 PM
Butcher, should have got the job 3 managers ago.

John_the_angus_hibby
11-08-2013, 01:06 PM
Tango man. Shiels. Butcher. McCall. All would improve this bunch. But why would the latter two even touch us with a barge pole?

Sweep
11-08-2013, 01:06 PM
Terry butcher

1two
11-08-2013, 01:06 PM
McLeish

Franck Stanton
11-08-2013, 01:09 PM
Would it really matter, would have to be an improvement. Fenlon has proved YET AGAIN that he just can't cut it at this level. GO NOW PAT

pontius pilate
11-08-2013, 01:09 PM
No chance of getting McCall or Butcher so we can put that to bed they both turned down bigotry moves down south so they won't come to us. We will get some-one out of contract or cheap. Kenny shiels probably

Sweep
11-08-2013, 01:10 PM
Terry butcher

Kaff
11-08-2013, 01:11 PM
McCall ?

Sheils for me, don't care what he talks about but his teams play football

PatHead
11-08-2013, 01:13 PM
Butcher, should have got the job 3 managers ago.

hibsmad
11-08-2013, 01:14 PM
With the exception of CC I would literally take any manager on the planet right now.

One thing I would say is that I don't believe we are a shambles. We have a decent squad by Scottish standards and I think an average manager would have seen us take the game to hearts today and probably run out comfortable winners.

It will be an attractive job for a lot of managers.

Danderhall Hibs
11-08-2013, 01:14 PM
Can we just do any man in? Or do weekly guest managers.

spike220
11-08-2013, 01:18 PM
Can we just do any man in? Or do weekly guest managers.perhaps we could pay a small fee to run the team for the week, it would be a nice fundraiser for the club too.

kevo1875
11-08-2013, 01:18 PM
Anybody who realises football is about trying to score goals

Jim44
11-08-2013, 01:19 PM
Butcher has outgrown the Hibs job and wouldn't take it if we begged him.

CalgaryHibs
11-08-2013, 01:21 PM
Somebody cheap.

This is the problem everything is done on the cheap

sleeping giant
11-08-2013, 01:22 PM
McLeish

I agree.

SaulGoodman
11-08-2013, 01:23 PM
Although he's not gone yet I'd like to thank PF on being the most recent hopeless tool to have a shot on the Merry-Go-Round.

Any thoughts on who's next then?

Post your rumours/stories in here.

Tango? Kenny Shiels? :cb

QMU-1875
11-08-2013, 01:24 PM
For me shiels will do a job

PatHead
11-08-2013, 01:24 PM
Butcher has outgrown the Hibs job and wouldn't take it if we begged him.

How? Inverness bigger than us, that is just plain stupid.

God Petrie
11-08-2013, 01:24 PM
Shiels. Let's get someone with a bit of banter about them.

Pretty Boy
11-08-2013, 01:25 PM
Anyone but Fenlon

Shiels as a stop gap with Jimmy Nicholl would do me.

Let him have the season, see how we do and how he behaves then make a decision.

Waxy
11-08-2013, 01:25 PM
Maybe a foriegn boss this time.

haagsehibby
11-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Richard and Judy could come in and do a better job!

Punch and Judy would do better.

Keith_M
11-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Don't get your hopes up. By his after match comments, he doesn't intend going anywhere.

gackohibs
11-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Kenny Shiels on an interim basis. If he does well keep him. While searching for someone permanent.

AFKA5814_Hibs
11-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Kenny Shiels is the most realistic.

Heisenberg
11-08-2013, 01:28 PM
He wont resign. Petrie wont sack him as it'll make him look bad (again). We're stuck with him.

SaulGoodman
11-08-2013, 01:29 PM
He'll get hounded out if he doesn't leave.

Jim44
11-08-2013, 01:31 PM
How? Inverness bigger than us, that is just plain stupid.

Really?

jiggerman
11-08-2013, 01:31 PM
How? Inverness bigger than us, that is just plain stupid.

Completely agree with Jim 44. An extra few K a week wouldn't tempt allot off managers to join our utterly s*it show

The Leith Dutch
11-08-2013, 01:32 PM
How? Inverness bigger than us, that is just plain stupid.

They got promoted 3 seasons ago and have finished above us every single one of those seasons.
We may have bigger attendances and budget but football wise - yes.... bigger than us.

HibbiesandtheBaddies
11-08-2013, 01:32 PM
No more cheap options.

Petrie must get in a decent, experienced name. Someone with a track record of being able to set up a team at a decent level as he'll have to work with what is already at the club.
Can't see there being too much cash left to splash.

loanheadhibby
11-08-2013, 01:33 PM
Punch and Judy would do better.

mike Bassett? Or failing that terry butcher

Keith_M
11-08-2013, 01:33 PM
Nobody, he doesn't intend to leave.

Fenlon seems to think that losing to the worst Hearts team in over 30 years was just bad luck. He's looking forward to next week.


The guy's not leaving voluntarily, we need to get him out!!

hfc rd
11-08-2013, 01:35 PM
Kenny Shiels is the most realistic.


This. I would love to get someone like Stuart McCall or Terry Butcher. But why on earth would they leave to come and take over this pile of p***.

Yuillsy
11-08-2013, 01:36 PM
He wont resign. Petrie wont sack him as it'll make him look bad (again). We're stuck with him.

This worries me. As long as we're not relegation candidates I think the board may just let Fenlon see out the remaining year of his contract.

SaulGoodman
11-08-2013, 01:36 PM
PF "We were unlucky"

**** right ****ing off, we were ****. Played for a draw AGAIN and you say we were unlucky.

Take your negative, boring tactics to ****.

CraigHibee
11-08-2013, 01:39 PM
Punch and Judy could come in and do a better job!

Fixed that mate :wink:

Billychaotic182
11-08-2013, 01:39 PM
I fear we will never score again

JimBHibees
11-08-2013, 01:40 PM
Anyone but Fenlon

Shiels as a stop gap with Jimmy Nicholl would do me.

Let him have the season, see how we do and how he behaves then make a decision.

Agree though I almost get the impression that this was the plan all along. At least with Shiels the team will try and pass the ball and will be much more entertaining to watch. Would be good if he brought his son also.

The Gorf
11-08-2013, 01:46 PM
Agree though I almost get the impression that this was the plan all along. At least with Shiels the team will try and pass the ball and will be much more entertaining to watch. Would be good if he brought his son also.

Was he not at ER with his son last week?
If so. why?

YehButNoBut
11-08-2013, 01:46 PM
No more cheap options.

Petrie must get in a decent, experienced name. Someone with a track record of being able to set up a team at a decent level as he'll have to work with what is already at the club.
Can't see there being too much cash left to splash.

What makes you think someone of that calibre would want to come to Hibs.

If Fenlon does go it will probably be Shiels or someone similar we'll not be getting anyone from a decent level anytime soon.

PatHead
11-08-2013, 01:48 PM
Can't believe anyone seriously thinks Inverness is a bigger club than Hibs. Yes they have finished above us for 2 seasons, but on the park Hibs are seriously underperforming . Any manager of a Scottish club (outwith Celtic, Rangers and possibly Aberdeen) with any ambition would have to consider Hibs as a step up. The infrastructure is there, a budget allowing him to spend money and a number of decent players. The only things lacking are leadership on and off the park. Butcher would solve that problem and have us playing attractive football.

BH Hibs
11-08-2013, 01:51 PM
Unlikely we'd get him but Stuart McCall for me. In fact don't think there's any chance he'd come

RickyS
11-08-2013, 01:52 PM
They got promoted 3 seasons ago and have finished above us every single one of those seasons.
We may have bigger attendances and budget but football wise - yes.... bigger than us.

he turned down a championship job to stay there, we have no chance

Gatecrasher
11-08-2013, 01:53 PM
I'd like us to try and get butcher, I think I've said this nearly every time we change managers though.

LeithBoozy
11-08-2013, 01:54 PM
Nobody, he doesn't intend to leave.

Fenlon seems to think that losing to the worst Hearts team in over 30 years was just bad luck. He's looking forward to next week.


The guy's not leaving voluntarily, we need to get him out!!

The fans will get him out by not attending, He has already cost us around 4,000 regulars, I hate to think what the next home attendance will be.

fishybeaver
11-08-2013, 02:01 PM
The fans will get him out by not attending, He has already cost us around 4,000 regulars, I hate to think what the next home attendance will be.
Peter Houston....

NOLA
11-08-2013, 02:01 PM
Kenny Shiels, knows how to tactically attack teams, knows how to win cup finals ;). Seriously he couldn't be any worse than fenlon

NorthNorfolkHFC
11-08-2013, 02:03 PM
Can't believe the love in for Shiels.

Poor choice. Another manager who cannot set up a team properly. Can't talk sense.

Listened to Butcher yesterday talk astutely about balance of a team and having players plying him correct positions.

What I'd give for a bit of sense like that.

JimBHibees
11-08-2013, 02:05 PM
Was he not at ER with his son last week?
If so. why?

Watching a game or watching his future players given his previous assistant is already here.

1875STEVE
11-08-2013, 02:05 PM
McCall ?

Ive said this with our past 4 apponitments, sturrock for me, he has an incredible record in england, knows the spl, and builds attacking sides, and has loads of experience.

1875STEVE
11-08-2013, 02:06 PM
The fans will get him out by not attending, He has already cost us around 4,000 regulars, I hate to think what the next home attendance will be.

They had left long before pf arrived.

Northernhibee
11-08-2013, 02:07 PM
Ian Murray.

Devilstorment
11-08-2013, 02:08 PM
Bring Back Big Eck!

ackeygraham
11-08-2013, 02:09 PM
Kenny sheils, no thanks and tango can gtf too.

If anyone I'd get big eck back if possible.

Aldo
11-08-2013, 02:10 PM
Put it this way there is no way McCall or Butcher will take possession of the poison chalice.

If PF doesn't go then guess what rodders expect another relegation battle with our Edinburgh rivals this season.

They will look at today and use it to motivate themselves and know how bad we are.

PS someone that will come in and kick some ass.

davieh
11-08-2013, 02:13 PM
We shouldn't be limiting ourselvesmto the likes of Butcher, McCall, Tangoman etc...

Some of teh best managerial apppointments have been left-field - like Laudrup at Swansea or Lomas at Saints. We need to find someone who has a vision for positive football, not a retread of SPL usual suspects

SteveHFC
11-08-2013, 02:13 PM
Daffy Duck

Beefster
11-08-2013, 02:14 PM
This thread won't be needed until around AGM-time. Attendances should be around 7000 by then.

Aldo
11-08-2013, 02:16 PM
McLeish for me tbh.

portyhibernian
11-08-2013, 02:16 PM
Gotta be McLeish for me, although Butcher is a good shout.

Aldo
11-08-2013, 02:17 PM
This thread won't be needed until around AGM-time. Attendances should be around 7000 by then.

You think. I have a feeling we will be lucky to get that at our next game??

PS. Is that before or after the next AGM?

Steve20
11-08-2013, 02:18 PM
Gotta be McLeish for me, although Butcher is a good shout.

Butcher would be mad to leave Inverness for this bunch of impostors.

patch1875
11-08-2013, 02:18 PM
Tommy Brown for me

AndyM_1875
11-08-2013, 02:19 PM
Kenny sheils, no thanks and tango can gtf too.

If anyone I'd get big eck back if possible.

Big Eck is a great guy and he was a successful Hibs manager but he sees his future in England.

Much more likely to be Kenny Shiels. Tactically he's pretty sharp, he likes attacking football and he beats turgid outfits like Hertz for fun. He outmanoeuvred Lennon in a cup final too.
With a team like Hibs that would be a wonderful achievement, withKillie it was nigh on miraculous.

LancsHibs
11-08-2013, 02:19 PM
McLeish for me tbh.

Agree:agree:

Godsahibby
11-08-2013, 02:22 PM
Casaba Lasslo is still in Edinburgh!

Leighonel
11-08-2013, 02:26 PM
Gus Poyet

Onion
11-08-2013, 02:27 PM
He wont resign. Petrie wont sack him as it'll make him look bad (again). We're stuck with him.

Not true. This Hibs team, with these performances and results, are relegation candidates and easy fodder for other SPL teams. As the crowds collapse, we turn on the team, even Petrie will have to take action - as he eventually had to with Calderdud.

Any self-respecting Board doing their job would have started the recruitment process for Fenlon's replacement at least 2 weeks ago. Unfortunately this a Hibs Board, so it will be a knee jerk reaction as always.

Notahappyhibee
11-08-2013, 02:30 PM
Was he not at ER with his son last week?
If so. why?

Was he not a pundit

Onion
11-08-2013, 02:33 PM
He'll get hounded out if he doesn't leave.

:agree: This. Fenlon should walk away now and forego any compensation for the remaining months of his contract. He's been well paid for 2 years for a job that he really should never have been given and was well beyond him. He's had his his days in the sun and is becoming a comedy figure at Hibs.

1875STEVE
11-08-2013, 02:46 PM
Paul Sturrock.

Viva_Palmeiras
11-08-2013, 03:11 PM
Paul Sturrock.

No thanks just ask the pilgrims...

Pretty Boy
11-08-2013, 03:18 PM
Ian Murray?

Done a great job at Dumbarton and didn't take years to do it.

Stewboy
11-08-2013, 03:19 PM
Sack another manager and have this debate in a years time???

Board need to lead by example and go as well. Success rate for managers must be the worst in the land

Onceinawhile
11-08-2013, 03:33 PM
Ian Murray?

Done a great job at Dumbarton and didn't take years to do it.

Think the job is possibly a year too early for him, he's not even got a full seasons experience. Would be my choice for a 18 months from now when petries latest failure gets the boot.

WhileTheChief..
11-08-2013, 03:36 PM
He will resign. Or Petrie will sack him.

This cant go on. We'll be in a relegation struggle with Them all season if we don't act pronto.

Falling crowds will force Petrie's hand if results dont.

CorrieHibs
11-08-2013, 03:37 PM
Gotta be McLeish for me, although Butcher is a good shout.

You think we could afford McLeish?

weonlywon6-2
11-08-2013, 03:38 PM
Ian Murray?

Done a great job at Dumbarton and didn't take years to do it.

Too much pressure in the hibs job compared to dumbarton.one for the future.
Petrie still has a good relationship with mcleish and he was at east mains a couple of weeks ago.

I would prefer butcher but cant see it happening

jax67
11-08-2013, 03:42 PM
Shield for me. I think we have some good players at Hibs, and Shiels' brand of football would suit. If he could rein in the nutty boy inside we could be on to a winner.

scuttle
11-08-2013, 03:44 PM
Paul Daniels couldnt do any magic with this lot

West hamBERNIAN
11-08-2013, 03:44 PM
You think we could afford McLeish?

Or that he'd be at all interested. He left forest because the budget was smaller than promised and they've just spent 2-2.5 million on a defender. No chance. If pat does go, we need somebody who trains with the ball. Passing today as always was clueless.

E10 Rifle
11-08-2013, 03:54 PM
Paul Sturrock is washed up as a manager and a man, if you're looking for managers kicking around the lower leagues in England then Dean Smith and Russell Slade are the two operating on the smallest budgets, playing the best football, and getting the best results.

E10 Rifle
11-08-2013, 03:56 PM
Or that he'd be at all interested. He left forest because the budget was smaller than promised and they've just spent 2-2.5 million on a defender. No chance. If pat does go, we need somebody who trains with the ball. Passing today as always was clueless.

It's al relative though - you don't need that sort of money to be successful up here. He was just wanting to be competitive.

Paisley Hibby
11-08-2013, 03:57 PM
Or that he'd be at all interested. He left forest because the budget was smaller than promised and they've just spent 2-2.5 million on a defender. No chance. If pat does go, we need somebody who trains with the ball. Passing today as always was clueless.

Yeah - we've been like that for a while. What puzzles me is that professional footballers should be able to pass the ball regardless of who the manager is. Yet regardless of who our manager is we have this problem. What on earth is going on at East Mains?

Onion
11-08-2013, 04:04 PM
He will resign. Or Petrie will sack him.

This cant go on. We'll be in a relegation struggle with Them all season if we don't act pronto.

Falling crowds will force Petrie's hand if results dont.

The final indignity would be getting overtaken by Hearts who started at -15. That might even trump 5-1. And Fenlon is just the type of man who could achieve that. He's a weak manager who is tactically inept and has all the making of becoming a figure of fun at ER.

Has he not resigned yet ?

edwards
11-08-2013, 04:07 PM
Terry Butcher or Paul Sturrock who has been one of the most successful managers in the lower leagues in England.

The Falcon
11-08-2013, 04:10 PM
Butcher, should have got the job 3 managers ago.

This may come as a sesmic shock to lots of people but he is not sitting by the phone waiting on a call from Hibs, nor does he want one.

If Fenlon is replaced it will be by someone curently not working, or from a club in a lower division.

AK86
11-08-2013, 04:13 PM
Craig Levein

i know I know , but he is the best option out there. He had Utd playing well.

certainly better option than Kenny gobsheet Sheils

Gordy M
11-08-2013, 04:16 PM
Neil warnock?

stoneyburn hibs
11-08-2013, 04:22 PM
Craig Levein

i know I know , but he is the best option out there. He had Utd playing well.

certainly better option than Kenny gobsheet Sheils


Good shout, Levein would have the crowds flocking back to ER.

neil7908
11-08-2013, 04:23 PM
Would like to see McLeish back at ER but just cant see it happening. Having said that he wasn't exactly known for playing great football during his spell in England and he'd be coming back to Scottish football with a vastly reduced budget than he had previously.

Butcher would be my ideal choice. Would also be happy to see us recruit from outside the Scottish leagues, must be plenty of good managers down in the English lower leagues or in Europe.

AK86
11-08-2013, 04:25 PM
Good shout, Levein would have the crowds flocking back to ER.
Ok, who then?

KingFranck
11-08-2013, 04:27 PM
Tbh anyone including Yogi!!!

500miles
11-08-2013, 04:28 PM
I'd take Kenny Sheils in a heartbeat. Give me something worth watching at ER.

Black Kyle
11-08-2013, 04:32 PM
Realistically, Shiels or dare I say, Paul Hartley.........

Dunderhall
11-08-2013, 04:33 PM
Would like to see McLeish back at ER but just cant see it happening. Having said that he wasn't exactly known for playing great football during his spell in England and he'd be coming back to Scottish football with a vastly reduced budget than he had previously.

Butcher would be my ideal choice. Would also be happy to see us recruit from outside the Scottish leagues, must be plenty of good managers down in the English lower leagues or in Europe.

Europe maybe, the Portuguese league is financially struggling for example.
You can see the current available LMA registered managers on their website (http://www.leaguemanagers.com/index.html), towards the bottom.
not an inspiring list once you rule out the ones we couldn't afford.

I doubt we can afford to pay off Fenlon and also compensation for a replacement.
I get the cant afford not to argument, but doubt Petrie would sanction it.
Thats part of the problem in finding a replacement.

johnrebus
11-08-2013, 04:39 PM
Craig Levein

i know I know , but he is the best option out there. He had Utd playing well.

certainly better option than Kenny gobsheet Sheils


Why would Levein be a better appointment than Kenny Sheils?

:confused:

West hamBERNIAN
11-08-2013, 04:40 PM
Europe maybe, the Portuguese league is financially struggling for example.
You can see the current available LMA registered managers on their website (http://www.leaguemanagers.com/index.html), towards the bottom.
not an inspiring list once you rule out the ones we couldn't afford.

I doubt we can afford to pay off Fenlon and also compensation for a replacement.
I get the cant afford not to argument, but doubt Petrie would sanction it.
Thats part of the problem in finding a replacement.

Doubt he will go for a while actually, I reckon we'll get a winger this week and pat will get another game or two to turn it around. Just what I think will happen.

stoneyburn hibs
11-08-2013, 04:43 PM
Ok, who then?


I really don't know who but certainly not any yam fud.

Unseen work
11-08-2013, 04:46 PM
Wouldn't be shocked if they looked at Ian Murray and keep Nichol as assistant. Murray has experience as a player and from what iv heard has had Dumbarton looking good and jimmy Nichol will be there keeping him in check offering advice

God Petrie
11-08-2013, 04:47 PM
Craig Levein

i know I know , but he is the best option out there. He had Utd playing well.

certainly better option than Kenny gobsheet Sheils

Jesus Christ what the **** are you on

Cameron1875
11-08-2013, 04:48 PM
Is it unrealistic to maybe look towards a Danish or Swedish manager? The British and Irish route obviously doesn't work for us.

marinello59
11-08-2013, 04:50 PM
Is it unrealistic to maybe look towards a Danish or Swedish manager? The British and Irish route obviously doesn't work for us.

It didn't go to well for the last Scandinavian manager did it?:greengrin

lord bunberry
11-08-2013, 04:50 PM
Craig Levein

i know I know , but he is the best option out there. He had Utd playing well.

certainly better option than Kenny gobsheet Sheils

If craig levein ever gets the hibs job i won't be back.

AK86
11-08-2013, 04:50 PM
Why would Levein be a better appointment than Kenny Sheils?

:confused:
because Sheils is a nut job


I really don't know who but certainly not any yam fud.

Jim McLean , who took utd to glory years was a Dundee man. It won't happen anyway, but for me he is the best we could expect to get.he produced an entertaining Utd side, and brought through a few youngsters and guys from the lower leagues

BOB MARLEYS DUG
11-08-2013, 04:54 PM
I would like McCall or Butcher, but can't see them leaving their current jobs...

Houston, Shiels or Sturrock is more realistic. Or even Nicholl on a temporary basis.

Unseen work
11-08-2013, 04:56 PM
I don't see the obsession with Sheils at all? And if anything is a poor manager???

Sir David Gray
11-08-2013, 05:02 PM
If craig levein ever gets the hibs job i won't be back.

Ditto.

Viva_Palmeiras
11-08-2013, 05:06 PM
Craig Levein

i know I know , but he is the best option out there. He had Utd playing well.

certainly better option than Kenny gobsheet Sheils

When you lobbed the granade was the pin in or out?

PatHead
11-08-2013, 05:06 PM
This may come as a sesmic shock to lots of people but he is not sitting by the phone waiting on a call from Hibs, nor does he want one.

If Fenlon is replaced it will be by someone curently not working, or from a club in a lower division.

I have never said he is sitting by the phone but how do you know he would not be interested? What inside knowledge do you have? Maybe it is you who is about to have a seismic shock? He did go down to England to speak to Barnsley so he is interested in considering options.

YehButNoBut
11-08-2013, 05:06 PM
I don't see the obsession with Sheils at all? And if anything is a poor manager???

Don't think there is an obsession with Shiels, the vast majority of us want rid of Pat and are just being realistic, Butcher or McCall would be better but doubt that we will get either at this stage of the season, Shiels is available has worked with Jimmy Nicholl & surely couldn't do any worse than Fenlon, if we gave him till the end of the season to show what he could do.

If by then he has done well give him a longer contract if not, maybe then Butcher or McCall would be available.

Please god not Levein, but of the young up & coming managers I would have no problem with Murray or even Hartley.

Going the foreign route may pay dividends but I don't know enough about who may be available & would do a job for us to make any comment.

Gordy M
11-08-2013, 05:08 PM
I don't see the obsession with Sheils at all? And if anything is a poor manager???
Absolutely, he would not bring anything to hibs. I know we want a change but lets not our urgency for that to happen cloud our judgement.

InterviewLoI
11-08-2013, 05:10 PM
why not give it to October and bring in Sligo Rovers boss Ian Baraclough? Has managed in the championship and won the LoI recently

AK86
11-08-2013, 05:11 PM
If craig levein ever gets the hibs job i won't be back.
That is up to you of course if CL was manager I bet5-1 and 7-0 would not have happened. And he certainly wouldn't lose to hearts youth team.

it dosent really matter because anyone will be an improvement on the dae as your telt we have just now.

God Petrie
11-08-2013, 05:12 PM
why not give it to October and bring in Sligo Rovers boss Ian Baraclough? Has managed in the championship and won the LoI recently

Heard PF was barry in LOI.

Hibs90
11-08-2013, 05:13 PM
Some of the names on here are amazing. Butcher or McCall would come nowhere near us. Get over it.

Gordy M
11-08-2013, 05:18 PM
Some of the names on here are amazing. Butcher or McCall would come nowhere near us. Get over it.
I think mccall wont have anywhere near as good a season as previous. The only reason that butcher wouldn't come is his personal circs, hibs are much bigger club than both their respective teams. If the right offer is made then BOTH would come.

I keep hearing butcher turned down a champ job? What team was that?

Stuarty27
11-08-2013, 05:19 PM
Butcher turned down Barnsley

PatHead
11-08-2013, 05:21 PM
Some of the names on here are amazing. Butcher or McCall would come nowhere near us. Get over it.
If you don't ask you will never know. What right do you have to decide who would or would not come near us? Believe it or not Hibs, in the Scottish perspective, are a big club. If either of these guys want to stay in Scotland the job is attractive.

bigwheel
11-08-2013, 05:21 PM
As we are seeing the same old names put forward , i thought i would re-post my views from an earlier thread ...the thought of a Butcher , Shiels, Calderwood and please no Warnock ! fills me with dread - there must be better options out there ...


When you look at the managers that are setting new standards now, they are a new bread. They work deeply with sports science as well as football coaching. Their regimes have modern training, deep interval based fitness regimes, high focus on nutrition and recovery. They also use new thinking in the technical side of the game introduce new formations based around possession and deep awareness in their players of what to do in the game. They literally have learned behaviour that the know where to be and what to do.



Im talking about the Mourinho, AVB, Guardiola, Wenger, Martinez, Klopp, Bento. The reason Ferguson lasted so long was that he was incredibly open to learning and changed his approach notable over his 30 years as a boss. He brought in people around him who brought in new approaches.



There are a new bread emerging again. Martinez, Olli Solskjaer



Now we can obviously not get any of these guys, but when Fenlon goes, we should replace with someone who has these new methods and beliefs . Joh Collins did, unfortunately it would appear his man management skills didn't match his coaching philosophies. Great leaders need both technical capability and highly developed people skills. Mowbray was the nearest we had.



I've no desire to see us heading back the way Collins, Mcleish et al have moved on. So should we. Equally though, I've don't believe we should go for a Scottish "football man" e.g. Jimmy Calderwood. These are people versed in the past. We should be scouting to find the next Mourinho, AVB before the get their big break. Let us be their first success story.



So I'm not advocating for a foreign coach, I arguing for the right coach. Irrespective of where they come from. One that brings with them modern, and now proven ways, of maximising performance in players and teams.





These guys are starting to be well known in the game.



Paul Clements - english ex PE teacher, has now worked with Ancelotti at Chelsea, PSG and now in the first team coaching set up at Real Madrid.



Ian Cathro - youngest ever Scottish academy coach in Scotland - with Levein at United at the age of 22. He is now assistant at Rio Avenue in Portugal. He moved as he couldn't see Scottish teams being open minded enough to let him develop his career.



Ross Wilson - Head of Football at Huddersfield Town ( again Scottish - comes from Falkirk)



Dan Ashworth - He is now head of Elite football development at the FA - obviously we cant hire him, too expensive, but let's go and speak to him and get his view of who the next AVB, Mourinho's etc are...They will know them..



It takes real vision and guts at the top of a football club to do something different and against common opinion. Such as Arsenal did when the brought in Wenger. Remember the headlines - "Arsene Who". The same reaction that most us gave when Mowbray arrived. We need new vision and a new philosophy. Perhaps one that this message board will rebel against at first. I don't see the way forward in a name that we recognise, it should be one of the new bread, who bring a new approach the game, and help us reach standards that for now seem unattainable.



I'd love to think our current board are capable of such imagination. I'm not hopeful though.

Gordy M
11-08-2013, 05:22 PM
Butcher turned down Barnsley
Cheers, just found the article, which he quoted as saying "It's a good job for someone and perhaps in the future that could be me. "
Doesnt sound like he would rule moving from ict??

Gordy M
11-08-2013, 05:28 PM
As we are seeing the same old names put forward , i thought i would re-post my views from an earlier thread ...the thought of a Butcher , Shiels, Calderwood and please no Warnock ! fills me with dread - there must be better options out there ...


When you look at the managers that are setting new standards now, they are a new bread. They work deeply with sports science as well as football coaching. Their regimes have modern training, deep interval based fitness regimes, high focus on nutrition and recovery. They also use new thinking in the technical side of the game introduce new formations based around possession and deep awareness in their players of what to do in the game. They literally have learned behaviour that the know where to be and what to do.



Im talking about the Mourinho, AVB, Guardiola, Wenger, Martinez, Klopp, Bento. The reason Ferguson lasted so long was that he was incredibly open to learning and changed his approach notable over his 30 years as a boss. He brought in people around him who brought in new approaches.



There are a new bread emerging again. Martinez, Olli Solskjaer



Now we can obviously not get any of these guys, but when Fenlon goes, we should replace with someone who has these new methods and beliefs . Joh Collins did, unfortunately it would appear his man management skills didn't match his coaching philosophies. Great leaders need both technical capability and highly developed people skills. Mowbray was the nearest we had.



I've no desire to see us heading back the way Collins, Mcleish et al have moved on. So should we. Equally though, I've don't believe we should go for a Scottish "football man" e.g. Jimmy Calderwood. These are people versed in the past. We should be scouting to find the next Mourinho, AVB before the get their big break. Let us be their first success story.



So I'm not advocating for a foreign coach, I arguing for the right coach. Irrespective of where they come from. One that brings with them modern, and now proven ways, of maximising performance in players and teams.





These guys are starting to be well known in the game.



Paul Clements - english ex PE teacher, has now worked with Ancelotti at Chelsea, PSG and now in the first team coaching set up at Real Madrid.



Ian Cathro - youngest ever Scottish academy coach in Scotland - with Levein at United at the age of 22. He is now assistant at Rio Avenue in Portugal. He moved as he couldn't see Scottish teams being open minded enough to let him develop his career.



Ross Wilson - Head of Football at Huddersfield Town ( again Scottish - comes from Falkirk)



Dan Ashworth - He is now head of Elite football development at the FA - obviously we cant hire him, too expensive, but let's go and speak to him and get his view of who the next AVB, Mourinho's etc are...They will know them..



It takes real vision and guts at the top of a football club to do something different and against common opinion. Such as Arsenal did when the brought in Wenger. Remember the headlines - "Arsene Who". The same reaction that most us gave when Mowbray arrived. We need new vision and a new philosophy. Perhaps one that this message board will rebel against at first. I don't see the way forward in a name that we recognise, it should be one of the new bread, who bring a new approach the game, and help us reach standards that for now seem unattainable.



I'd love to think our current board are capable of such imagination. I'm not hopeful though.


You make a lot of good points mate, and i would like us to try something different. It was me who suggested warnock but it was more about thinking outside the usual suspects. The issue with the names you mention is that it would be a real gamble, and we wouldn't know if they could handle being manager of, in scottish terms, a big football club. With no record to speak off, the fans would give them even less time.... And we would be here again in a year. Im not saying i wouldnt welcome the change of direction but it def would be a gamble, and in our position can we afford to??

joebakerforever
11-08-2013, 05:31 PM
Heard PF was barry in LOI.

A Dublin based friend who follows LOI, without having an affiliation to any particular club, is genuinely shocked at how bad PF is doing with Hibs.

He rated him highly, as btw Dundee Utd must have, when they tried to sign him up before us.

Given that we have now had a succession of previously promising managers who have bombed out, maybe it's the chemistry between Petrie and his managers which is the problem.

I would not be surprised that whoever is next through the revolving will follow the same downward spiral, as long as RP is still stalking the corridors at Easter Road.

Dunderhall
11-08-2013, 05:34 PM
Doubt he will go for a while actually, I reckon we'll get a winger this week and pat will get another game or two to turn it around. Just what I think will happen.
You might well be right, I wouldn't rule that scenario out.
Trouble is it could turn into a tailspin out of control.

He's lost the fans, questionable about the players, the board can't be happy but the power is with one person really.

Atmosphere will be awful for Utd, there will be unrest in the stands, probably shouts for Fenlon to go,
boo boys will have a field day, performance on the pitch will suffer. Then repeat.

I hope it comes sooner than later to minimise the damage.

johnrebus
11-08-2013, 05:36 PM
[QUOTE=AK86;3714520]because Sheils is a nut job



A nut job who knows how to get a team playing attractive passing attacking football and has won a trophy as a manager with a financial basket case of a club.

And what would be Levein's qualifications?



:confused:

Gala Foxes
11-08-2013, 05:37 PM
4 competitive games, 4 defeats, no goals scored, 11 conceded and then we bring a young midfielder on with 10 minutes left when it was crying out for a presence up front - just not good enough.

There is never a change of tactics from Fenlon, its just another Hughes/Calderwood situation - no strategy, no ability to change things - no idea

PatHead
11-08-2013, 05:53 PM
To be fair Hibs have thought out of the box, Fenlon, Calderwood, Mixu, Collins and Mowbray were all candidates who weren't part of the Scottish Mafia. We need to have someone to improve things on the park who is experienced and knows the Scottish market and game.

Hermit Crab
11-08-2013, 05:55 PM
McCall ?

Going to Huns

scuttle
11-08-2013, 05:56 PM
As we are seeing the same old names put forward , i thought i would re-post my views from an earlier thread ...the thought of a Butcher , Shiels, Calderwood and please no Warnock ! fills me with dread - there must be better options out there ...


When you look at the managers that are setting new standards now, they are a new bread. They work deeply with sports science as well as football coaching. Their regimes have modern training, deep interval based fitness regimes, high focus on nutrition and recovery. They also use new thinking in the technical side of the game introduce new formations based around possession and deep awareness in their players of what to do in the game. They literally have learned behaviour that the know where to be and what to do.



Im talking about the Mourinho, AVB, Guardiola, Wenger, Martinez, Klopp, Bento. The reason Ferguson lasted so long was that he was incredibly open to learning and changed his approach notable over his 30 years as a boss. He brought in people around him who brought in new approaches.



There are a new bread emerging again. Martinez, Olli Solskjaer



Now we can obviously not get any of these guys, but when Fenlon goes, we should replace with someone who has these new methods and beliefs . Joh Collins did, unfortunately it would appear his man management skills didn't match his coaching philosophies. Great leaders need both technical capability and highly developed people skills. Mowbray was the nearest we had.



I've no desire to see us heading back the way Collins, Mcleish et al have moved on. So should we. Equally though, I've don't believe we should go for a Scottish "football man" e.g. Jimmy Calderwood. These are people versed in the past. We should be scouting to find the next Mourinho, AVB before the get their big break. Let us be their first success story.



So I'm not advocating for a foreign coach, I arguing for the right coach. Irrespective of where they come from. One that brings with them modern, and now proven ways, of maximising performance in players and teams.





These guys are starting to be well known in the game.



Paul Clements - english ex PE teacher, has now worked with Ancelotti at Chelsea, PSG and now in the first team coaching set up at Real Madrid.



Ian Cathro - youngest ever Scottish academy coach in Scotland - with Levein at United at the age of 22. He is now assistant at Rio Avenue in Portugal. He moved as he couldn't see Scottish teams being open minded enough to let him develop his career.



Ross Wilson - Head of Football at Huddersfield Town ( again Scottish - comes from Falkirk)



Dan Ashworth - He is now head of Elite football development at the FA - obviously we cant hire him, too expensive, but let's go and speak to him and get his view of who the next AVB, Mourinho's etc are...They will know them..



It takes real vision and guts at the top of a football club to do something different and against common opinion. Such as Arsenal did when the brought in Wenger. Remember the headlines - "Arsene Who". The same reaction that most us gave when Mowbray arrived. We need new vision and a new philosophy. Perhaps one that this message board will rebel against at first. I don't see the way forward in a name that we recognise, it should be one of the new bread, who bring a new approach the game, and help us reach standards that for now seem unattainable.



I'd love to think our current board are capable of such imagination. I'm not hopeful though.

Totally agree excellent post .......as long as he is attack minded though ive had enough of hoofball

1875STEVE
11-08-2013, 06:01 PM
Sturrock washed up??

Yer joking, im sure I read somewhere he was the 2nd most successful manager in English lower leagues.

The Pilgrims? Is that Plymouth?? he won them 2 titles, and then went back took them to there highest league position in 20 years, I thought he was a bit of a legend down there.

Left Southend at the end of last season, iirc, with them in the play offs, and in a cup final.

Also won the play offs/gained promotions with Sheff Wed (Took over with in 14th, won the play offs), Swindon (won the play offs in 1st season, had them sitting top half of table in 2nd, but went back to Plymouth)

He promoted St Johnstone, and had Dundee Utd sitting third.

Only time it didn't work was 3 months with Southampton in the prem.

bigwheel
11-08-2013, 06:04 PM
You make a lot of good points mate, and i would like us to try something different. It was me who suggested warnock but it was more about thinking outside the usual suspects. The issue with the names you mention is that it would be a real gamble, and we wouldn't know if they could handle being manager of, in scottish terms, a big football club. With no record to speak off, the fans would give them even less time.... And we would be here again in a year. Im not saying i wouldnt welcome the change of direction but it def would be a gamble, and in our position can we afford to??


Any appointment comes with risks (as we know very well! ) The Warnock suggestion, just brings back memories of his huge horrible ego..he could cause a fight in an empty room. I'd rather not have him anywhere near our club. I take your point about taking risks, my view is that the names we are hearing are by and large the same scottish football names being regurgitated. And come with similar mindsets as those that we have had recently.I'm suggesting appointing someone who has finished their apprenticeship and are now being considered as the best of the next generation...as we won't be able to afford anyone of that quality once they have success under their belt...with the right research risks can be reduced..

The Falcon
11-08-2013, 06:09 PM
Paul Sturrock is washed up as a manager and a man, .

Paul Sturrock is battling Parkinsons disease.

Why would anybody come here when we have people who are as disrespectful as this. Atrocious comment IMO.

Godsahibby
11-08-2013, 06:15 PM
As we are seeing the same old names put forward , i thought i would re-post my views from an earlier thread ...the thought of a Butcher , Shiels, Calderwood and please no Warnock ! fills me with dread - there must be better options out there ...


When you look at the managers that are setting new standards now, they are a new bread. They work deeply with sports science as well as football coaching. Their regimes have modern training, deep interval based fitness regimes, high focus on nutrition and recovery. They also use new thinking in the technical side of the game introduce new formations based around possession and deep awareness in their players of what to do in the game. They literally have learned behaviour that the know where to be and what to do.



Im talking about the Mourinho, AVB, Guardiola, Wenger, Martinez, Klopp, Bento. The reason Ferguson lasted so long was that he was incredibly open to learning and changed his approach notable over his 30 years as a boss. He brought in people around him who brought in new approaches.



There are a new bread emerging again. Martinez, Olli Solskjaer



Now we can obviously not get any of these guys, but when Fenlon goes, we should replace with someone who has these new methods and beliefs . Joh Collins did, unfortunately it would appear his man management skills didn't match his coaching philosophies. Great leaders need both technical capability and highly developed people skills. Mowbray was the nearest we had.



I've no desire to see us heading back the way Collins, Mcleish et al have moved on. So should we. Equally though, I've don't believe we should go for a Scottish "football man" e.g. Jimmy Calderwood. These are people versed in the past. We should be scouting to find the next Mourinho, AVB before the get their big break. Let us be their first success story.



So I'm not advocating for a foreign coach, I arguing for the right coach. Irrespective of where they come from. One that brings with them modern, and now proven ways, of maximising performance in players and teams.





These guys are starting to be well known in the game.



Paul Clements - english ex PE teacher, has now worked with Ancelotti at Chelsea, PSG and now in the first team coaching set up at Real Madrid.



Ian Cathro - youngest ever Scottish academy coach in Scotland - with Levein at United at the age of 22. He is now assistant at Rio Avenue in Portugal. He moved as he couldn't see Scottish teams being open minded enough to let him develop his career.



Ross Wilson - Head of Football at Huddersfield Town ( again Scottish - comes from Falkirk)



Dan Ashworth - He is now head of Elite football development at the FA - obviously we cant hire him, too expensive, but let's go and speak to him and get his view of who the next AVB, Mourinho's etc are...They will know them..



It takes real vision and guts at the top of a football club to do something different and against common opinion. Such as Arsenal did when the brought in Wenger. Remember the headlines - "Arsene Who". The same reaction that most us gave when Mowbray arrived. We need new vision and a new philosophy. Perhaps one that this message board will rebel against at first. I don't see the way forward in a name that we recognise, it should be one of the new bread, who bring a new approach the game, and help us reach standards that for now seem unattainable.



I'd love to think our current board are capable of such imagination. I'm not hopeful though.

Really interesting post and makes ou realise there are lots of options out there. Top managers rave about the co aching system in place in Scotland with Mourinho to name a few who have been part of that. We should be looking long term, a mix of the barca and Swansea system, promote from within and only appoint those who believe in the system.

The Sea-gull
11-08-2013, 06:15 PM
Butcher has outgrown the Hibs job and wouldn't take it if we begged him.

Yet so many have mocked and scoffed at the recent suggestion we should have got him in to replace Fenlon. Mind you, we would turn him in to a shight manager.

The Falcon
11-08-2013, 06:16 PM
I have never said he is sitting by the phone but how do you know he would not be interested? What inside knowledge do you have? Maybe it is you who is about to have a seismic shock? He did go down to England to speak to Barnsley so he is interested in considering options.

I think I am safe.

The Falcon
11-08-2013, 06:18 PM
To be fair Hibs have thought out of the box, Fenlon, Calderwood, Mixu, Collins and Mowbray were all candidates who weren't part of the Scottish Mafia. We need to have someone to improve things on the park who is experienced and knows the Scottish market and game.

I agree :greengrin

.Sean.
11-08-2013, 06:23 PM
Disgrace.

No doubt I'll bump into a couple of the younger players tonight. No doubt off tomorrow after such a hard Sunday.

Steven_Hibs
11-08-2013, 06:31 PM
Gus Poyet

Funny you mention that. Wonder why he was in Edinburgh the other week.

joe breezy
11-08-2013, 06:43 PM
They got promoted 3 seasons ago and have finished above us every single one of those seasons.
We may have bigger attendances and budget but football wise - yes.... bigger than us.

Bigger budget and support = bigger

More trophies in history = bigger

Played in Europe more often = bigger

ICT are not bigger than Hibs

Disco Dave
11-08-2013, 06:46 PM
I would take Butcher in a heart beat, sadly there's not a hope in hell that he would come. The hibs job is a poisoned chalice and has been for quite a few years now, it doesn't matter who's in charge they've pretty much failed after we've had a few bad results and the fans are on their back. Up until today I backed Fenlon, and maybe my emotions are running high but what I just watched at Tynecastle was unacceptable and at this moment in time I think he should leave. But seriously I think we all have to take a look at ourselves, we can kid ourselves on that we're great fans but when you look at the cold reality we're a nightmare, if I was a manager I wouldn't come near hibs. Whoever we get next will have already failed in 50% of our eyes before we've kicked a ball. Rant over.

joe breezy
11-08-2013, 06:47 PM
As we are seeing the same old names put forward , i thought i would re-post my views from an earlier thread ...the thought of a Butcher , Shiels, Calderwood and please no Warnock ! fills me with dread - there must be better options out there ...


When you look at the managers that are setting new standards now, they are a new bread. They work deeply with sports science as well as football coaching. Their regimes have modern training, deep interval based fitness regimes, high focus on nutrition and recovery. They also use new thinking in the technical side of the game introduce new formations based around possession and deep awareness in their players of what to do in the game. They literally have learned behaviour that the know where to be and what to do.



Im talking about the Mourinho, AVB, Guardiola, Wenger, Martinez, Klopp, Bento. The reason Ferguson lasted so long was that he was incredibly open to learning and changed his approach notable over his 30 years as a boss. He brought in people around him who brought in new approaches.



There are a new bread emerging again. Martinez, Olli Solskjaer



Now we can obviously not get any of these guys, but when Fenlon goes, we should replace with someone who has these new methods and beliefs . Joh Collins did, unfortunately it would appear his man management skills didn't match his coaching philosophies. Great leaders need both technical capability and highly developed people skills. Mowbray was the nearest we had.



I've no desire to see us heading back the way Collins, Mcleish et al have moved on. So should we. Equally though, I've don't believe we should go for a Scottish "football man" e.g. Jimmy Calderwood. These are people versed in the past. We should be scouting to find the next Mourinho, AVB before the get their big break. Let us be their first success story.



So I'm not advocating for a foreign coach, I arguing for the right coach. Irrespective of where they come from. One that brings with them modern, and now proven ways, of maximising performance in players and teams.





These guys are starting to be well known in the game.



Paul Clements - english ex PE teacher, has now worked with Ancelotti at Chelsea, PSG and now in the first team coaching set up at Real Madrid.



Ian Cathro - youngest ever Scottish academy coach in Scotland - with Levein at United at the age of 22. He is now assistant at Rio Avenue in Portugal. He moved as he couldn't see Scottish teams being open minded enough to let him develop his career.



Ross Wilson - Head of Football at Huddersfield Town ( again Scottish - comes from Falkirk)



Dan Ashworth - He is now head of Elite football development at the FA - obviously we cant hire him, too expensive, but let's go and speak to him and get his view of who the next AVB, Mourinho's etc are...They will know them..



It takes real vision and guts at the top of a football club to do something different and against common opinion. Such as Arsenal did when the brought in Wenger. Remember the headlines - "Arsene Who". The same reaction that most us gave when Mowbray arrived. We need new vision and a new philosophy. Perhaps one that this message board will rebel against at first. I don't see the way forward in a name that we recognise, it should be one of the new bread, who bring a new approach the game, and help us reach standards that for now seem unattainable.



I'd love to think our current board are capable of such imagination. I'm not hopeful though.

Good post - the next manager shouldn't be picked by football fans with extremely limited knowledge - 99% of people that post here, including me

sesoim
11-08-2013, 06:52 PM
People I would consider:

Darren Ferguson (does well on a small budget, plays exciting football)

McCall (almost certainly too late for him - we should have gotten in there in March when his contract was running out)

Butcher (great record on small budgets, but would he "fit" at Hibs?)

Shiels (exciting football, good on small budget, but risky and controversial)

McLeish (maybe he'd look down on the idea of Hibs now, but who knows?)

Nicholls (try him short term?)

Jimmy Calderwood (great record in Scotland, but for some reason most fans aren' keen)

Definite NOTS:

Billy Stark, Willie McStay (both linked continually in the past with us, both would be awful)

John Collins (too risky and abrasive, and hasn't done anything of note since he left us)

"Highly rated" assistants/coaches who haven't actually done a managerial job yet

Anyone who doesn't know the SPL well (we can't afford to waste time waiting for them to get used to the League)

Anyone from the Irish League (nothing personal, but stats speak for themselves)

And not NOWS:

Ian Murray (needs to prove himself over a longer period)

Baldy
11-08-2013, 06:54 PM
I think we should be going for someone like Uwe Rosler at Brentford ... you ambitious manager who would see Hibs as a step up and higher profile

bigwheel
11-08-2013, 06:56 PM
Really interesting post and makes ou realise there are lots of options out there. Top managers rave about the co aching system in place in Scotland with Mourinho to name a few who have been part of that. We should be looking long term, a mix of the barca and Swansea system, promote from within and only appoint those who believe in the system.

I agree....get a system modelled on the right way to do things and someone to lead it that is about our long term future - playing great technical football with good profrssional young athletes being helped to be their best......Become a great place to learn your trade..

sesoim
11-08-2013, 07:00 PM
Some of the names on here are amazing. Butcher or McCall would come nowhere near us. Get over it.



Amazing? Hibs aren't some wee team with 2,000 fans. I agree about McCall - we missed any chance we had when he signed a new contract. I think he'll be watching the Rangers situation closely.

But as for Butcher - he'll be on, what, £1k a week at Inverness. His playing budget will only be about £1M a year. So why wouldn't he be interested in Hibs when he could certainly double, possibly triple his wages, and have a budget that is three or four times bigger than Inverness? He's done a great job at Inverness, and I'll bet there's few players he's been annoyed at missing out on because their budget wouldn't stretch that far, but at Hibs he could probably afford them.

I still have slight doubts that Butcher would fit in at Hibs, because he always seems to do better with "wee" teams (yes, I know how cr*p we've been lately) but his record has been so good with Inverness and Motherwell that he has to be near the top of our list, and I think he'd be interested because of our potential and fanbase.

carnoustiehibee
11-08-2013, 07:01 PM
People I would consider:

Darren Ferguson (does well on a small budget, plays exciting football)

McCall (almost certainly too late for him - we should have gotten in there in March when his contract was running out)

Butcher (great record on small budgets, but would he "fit" at Hibs?)

Shiels (exciting football, good on small budget, but risky and controversial)

McLeish (maybe he'd look down on the idea of Hibs now, but who knows?)

Nicholls (try him short term?)

Jimmy Calderwood (great record in Scotland, but for some reason most fans aren' keen)

Definite NOTS:

Billy Stark, Willie McStay (both linked continually in the past with us, both would be awful)

John Collins (too risky and abrasive, and hasn't done anything of note since he left us)

"Highly rated" assistants/coaches who haven't actually done a managerial job yet

Anyone who doesn't know the SPL well (we can't afford to waste time waiting for them to get used to the League)

Anyone from the Irish League (nothing personal, but stats speak for themselves)

And not NOWS:

Ian Murray (needs to prove himself over a longer period)

give it a rest with your ****y posts.

PatHead
11-08-2013, 07:09 PM
Amazing? Hibs aren't some wee team with 2,000 fans. I agree about McCall - we missed any chance we had when he signed a new contract. I think he'll be watching the Rangers situation closely.

But as for Butcher - he'll be on, what, £1k a week at Inverness. His playing budget will only be about £1M a year. So why wouldn't he be interested in Hibs when he could certainly double, possibly triple his wages, and have a budget that is three or four times bigger than Inverness? He's done a great job at Inverness, and I'll bet there's few players he's been annoyed at missing out on because their budget wouldn't stretch that far, but at Hibs he could probably afford them.

I still have slight doubts that Butcher would fit in at Hibs, because he always seems to do better with "wee" teams, but his record has been so good with Inverness and Motherwell that he has to be near the top of our list, and I think he'd be interested because of our potential and fanbase.

He also did well at Coventry, ok at Sunderland and well at Well and ICT. Failed at Brentford. I think McCall will be the next The Rangers manager so wouldn't want what could end up to be a short term appointment.

krobertson12
11-08-2013, 07:10 PM
As we are seeing the same old names put forward , i thought i would re-post my views from an earlier thread ...the thought of a Butcher , Shiels, Calderwood and please no Warnock ! fills me with dread - there must be better options out there ...


When you look at the managers that are setting new standards now, they are a new bread. They work deeply with sports science as well as football coaching. Their regimes have modern training, deep interval based fitness regimes, high focus on nutrition and recovery. They also use new thinking in the technical side of the game introduce new formations based around possession and deep awareness in their players of what to do in the game. They literally have learned behaviour that the know where to be and what to do.



Im talking about the Mourinho, AVB, Guardiola, Wenger, Martinez, Klopp, Bento. The reason Ferguson lasted so long was that he was incredibly open to learning and changed his approach notable over his 30 years as a boss. He brought in people around him who brought in new approaches.



There are a new bread emerging again. Martinez, Olli Solskjaer



Now we can obviously not get any of these guys, but when Fenlon goes, we should replace with someone who has these new methods and beliefs . Joh Collins did, unfortunately it would appear his man management skills didn't match his coaching philosophies. Great leaders need both technical capability and highly developed people skills. Mowbray was the nearest we had.



I've no desire to see us heading back the way Collins, Mcleish et al have moved on. So should we. Equally though, I've don't believe we should go for a Scottish "football man" e.g. Jimmy Calderwood. These are people versed in the past. We should be scouting to find the next Mourinho, AVB before the get their big break. Let us be their first success story.



So I'm not advocating for a foreign coach, I arguing for the right coach. Irrespective of where they come from. One that brings with them modern, and now proven ways, of maximising performance in players and teams.





These guys are starting to be well known in the game.



Paul Clements - english ex PE teacher, has now worked with Ancelotti at Chelsea, PSG and now in the first team coaching set up at Real Madrid.



Ian Cathro - youngest ever Scottish academy coach in Scotland - with Levein at United at the age of 22. He is now assistant at Rio Avenue in Portugal. He moved as he couldn't see Scottish teams being open minded enough to let him develop his career.



Ross Wilson - Head of Football at Huddersfield Town ( again Scottish - comes from Falkirk)



Dan Ashworth - He is now head of Elite football development at the FA - obviously we cant hire him, too expensive, but let's go and speak to him and get his view of who the next AVB, Mourinho's etc are...They will know them..



It takes real vision and guts at the top of a football club to do something different and against common opinion. Such as Arsenal did when the brought in Wenger. Remember the headlines - "Arsene Who". The same reaction that most us gave when Mowbray arrived. We need new vision and a new philosophy. Perhaps one that this message board will rebel against at first. I don't see the way forward in a name that we recognise, it should be one of the new bread, who bring a new approach the game, and help us reach standards that for now seem unattainable.



I'd love to think our current board are capable of such imagination. I'm not hopeful though.

Ross Wilson is an administrator, not a coach. He works at finding talent and providing the set up to improve teams. A Petrie replacement perhaps!

PatHead
11-08-2013, 07:10 PM
give it a rest with your ****y posts.

bit harsh.

bigwheel
11-08-2013, 07:28 PM
Ross Wilson is an administrator, not a coach. He works at finding talent and providing the set up to improve teams. A Petrie replacement perhaps!

...he has a role that includes players recruitment and performance analysis , he runs their whole football development activity from top to bottom

carnoustiehibee
11-08-2013, 07:30 PM
bit harsh.

not really, hes always taking *****

crash
11-08-2013, 07:34 PM
I guy I have been impressed with is Johan Mjallby. I saw(and heard!) him at close hand in the cup final, and he was running the show for Celtic that day(Lennon sat in the stand mostly), it was like chalk and cheese in comparison with a clueless Fenlon in our technical area. He has impressed me when I have heard him interviewed,you listen to him and he is a winner, someone who could command a dressing room. He would maybe take some persuasion to leave Celtic, but then again he may feel that he is ready to go it alone. Sadly I cant see Petrie actively sourcing someone like this it will be the usual(failed)application/shortlist process with many of the usual suspects. Anyway, Johann Mjallby would be my choice.

Famous Fiver
11-08-2013, 07:42 PM
Four games in and not a goal, and have hardly looked like scoring one. On any level it's not good enough. Ian Murray should be brought in as a matter of urgency. We just have to start scoring goals. I think he will reorganise Hibs into an ATTACKING force.

krobertson12
11-08-2013, 07:46 PM
...he has a role that includes players recruitment and performance analysis , he runs their whole football development activity from top to bottom

You may know more about his role now than I do, but I was lucky enough to meet with him when he was at Falkirk FC. He was very able with regards to the admin of their academy set up, and was responsible for how it was run (and had a say in the spotting of players). However the coaching side and technical aspects were dealt with by Craig McPherson including the whole academy coaching ethos. I believe he also had a similar role at Watford before taking up his role with Huddersfield (where he may as you say have an extended role).

I know McPherson wouldn't be a name people would consider, but he has a reputation for coaching young players in an attractive style of play and is completing his UEFA pro badge this year (along with a few other possible candidates for our manager)

EDIT: basically bigwheel we agree, get a good coach in with the right qualifications that is up and coming. Doesn't need to be a known name :greengrin

stu in nottingham
11-08-2013, 08:02 PM
Or that he'd be at all interested. He left forest because the budget was smaller than promised and they've just spent 2-2.5 million on a defender. No chance. If pat does go, we need somebody who trains with the ball. Passing today as always was clueless.

Forest's owners weren't releasing that kind of money to McLeish. It's only now that Davies as his successor is seeing the colour of their money

Kaiser1962
11-08-2013, 08:12 PM
He also did well at Coventry, ok at Sunderland and well at Well and ICT. Failed at Brentford. I think McCall will be the next The Rangers manager so wouldn't want what could end up to be a short term appointment.

His win stats at Coventry, Sunderland and Motherwell are worse than Fenlon's at Hibs.

eastmainsmsh
11-08-2013, 08:16 PM
Peter Grant :hide:

PatHead
11-08-2013, 08:27 PM
His win stats at Coventry, Sunderland and Motherwell are worse than Fenlon's at Hibs.

Statistics, damned lies and statistics. Surely it is harder to win games with smaller clubs in the EPL than it should be to win games with Hibs in the SPL? With Motherwell he took over a team that had paid off their best players and had just come out of administration.

Time For Heroes
11-08-2013, 08:34 PM
not really, hes always taking *****

So nobody is allowed an opinion if it differs from yours?

Kaiser1962
11-08-2013, 08:42 PM
Statistics, damned lies and statistics. Surely it is harder to win games with smaller clubs in the EPL than it should be to win games with Hibs in the SPL? With Motherwell he took over a team that had paid off their best players and had just come out of administration.

Motherwell were in administration for the first two years of Butchers tenure there.

Fenlon didnt exactly inherit a silk purse from Caldwerwood who was, statistically the 3nd worst Hibs manager ever. And that includes Francks ill fated term or he would be second.

The Green Goblin
11-08-2013, 08:48 PM
"Craig Levein"...just wow.

Imagine the games we'll win when we move from 4-5-1 to 4-6-0...

1875Sean
11-08-2013, 08:54 PM
Mark Venus? Knows the club and may want a crack as number one?

Gordy M
11-08-2013, 09:00 PM
Below is the current betting for the swindon job, just gives a rough guide as to would be available. Obviously there would be different names because of geography. Eg hoddle. Not sure who i would have out that list??

Mark Cooper 2/1
Paul Tisdale 7/2
Dennis Wise 10/1
Steven Pressley 14/1
Paul Hartley 14/1
Karl Robinson 16/1
Glenn Hoddle 16/1
Tim Sherwood 16/1
Les Ferdinand 16/1
Carl Fletcher 20/1
Paul Trollope 25/1
Kenny Shiels 28/1
Martin Ling 33/1
Michael Appleton 33/1
Stuart Pearce 33/1
Peter Taylor 33/1
Neil Warnock 40/1

The Green Goblin
11-08-2013, 09:02 PM
Below is the current betting for the swindon job, just gives a rough guide as to would be available. Obviously there would be different names because of geography. Eg hoddle. Not sure who i would have out that list??

Mark Cooper 2/1
Paul Tisdale 7/2
Dennis Wise 10/1
Steven Pressley 14/1
Paul Hartley 14/1
Karl Robinson 16/1
Glenn Hoddle 16/1
Tim Sherwood 16/1
Les Ferdinand 16/1
Carl Fletcher 20/1
Paul Trollope 25/1
Kenny Shiels 28/1
Martin Ling 33/1
Michael Appleton 33/1
Stuart Pearce 33/1
Peter Taylor 33/1
Neil Warnock 40/1

Warnock.

YehButNoBut
11-08-2013, 09:04 PM
Just some names of the top of my head, probably mostly unobtainable but different names to consider, as far as I know none of them are currently employed. (maybe with good reason :greengrin)

George Burley

Alan Shearer

Henning Berg

Paul Jewell

Roy Keane

Steve Cotterill

Gustavo Fring
11-08-2013, 09:09 PM
henrik larsson

offshorehibby
11-08-2013, 09:23 PM
There are a new bread emerging again. Martinez, Olli Solskjaer

These guys are starting to be well known in the game.


Dan Ashworth - He is now head of Elite football development at the FA - obviously we cant hire him, too expensive, but let's go and speak to him and get his view of who the next AVB, Mourinho's etc are...They will know them..





Some good points made by bigwheel. Speak to somebody ITK who the best up and coming talent is.

There was an interesting snippet in one of the papers today. Billy McKinlay 1st team coach at fulham is in the frame for England U21 job. Worked with and rated by Hodgson.

heid the baw
11-08-2013, 10:50 PM
Michael O'Neill

Billychaotic182
11-08-2013, 10:56 PM
Don't shoot me down on this one as its just a thought but how about paulo Sergio?

Ticks all the right boxes could we look past the ex yam thing for the greater good?

Unseen work
11-08-2013, 10:59 PM
Mark Venus? Knows the club and may want a crack as number one?

Has he not done it before for a couple of games or am I thinking of someone else??

RickyS
11-08-2013, 11:01 PM
Don't shoot me down on this one as its just a thought but how about paulo Sergio?

Ticks all the right boxes could we look past the ex yam thing for the greater good?

managing in the champions league with a cypriot team

Billychaotic182
11-08-2013, 11:02 PM
managing in the champions league with a cypriot team

Aw I thought I read somewhere that he was sacked

gerry
11-08-2013, 11:07 PM
my no 1 choice would be McLeish get him back in sort out this mess . everyone knows pat is not the guy to sort this out need someone like McLeish been too long without real authrority in charge of players they need to know there jobs are on the line . would u work harder faster longer to keep yourself in a well paid job if u knew someone like McLeish was in charge ? dont post much but just my thoughts . also think there has to be change at board level now they have done a good job with the club but need new ideas and fresh approach to our football club . look at the passion today at hearts ? dont mean there fans we all passionate about our repected clubs reaction from there staff they are struggling but still they rise above where is our passion gone ?? need change from top to bttm or it going to stay the same . havent been entertained in yrs at easter road but i believe one day we will get the team board and passion around the place again ggtth

jamieross
12-08-2013, 01:44 AM
Why not promote from within? Who's the lad that coaches the youth team? James McDonaugh? Seems to have the young lads playing well.

Would know our youth setup inside out and whos worth promoting to first team games too.

DH1875
12-08-2013, 11:33 AM
Anyone who reckons Butcher or McCall would come to us is living in cuckoo land.

Treadstone
12-08-2013, 11:36 AM
Some good points made by bigwheel. Speak to somebody ITK who the best up and coming talent is.

There was an interesting snippet in one of the papers today. Billy McKinlay 1st team coach at fulham is in the frame for England U21 job. Worked with and rated by Hodgson.

That is probably the best post I have read since the final whistle blew yesterday. A tremendous shout.

JCHibby
12-08-2013, 11:40 AM
Got to be Terry Butcher for me, proven success in the SPL with good contacts down south.

YehButNoBut
12-08-2013, 11:41 AM
Anyone who reckons Butcher or McCall would come to us is living in cuckoo land.

I must be in cuckoo land then, don't know if either are the answer but would certainly be better than current manager.

Don't think either of these 2 can take their clubs much further whilst Hibs can improve dramatically & the potential is greater than either Motherwell or ICT.

Both would probably be considered for the Rangers job in the future but otherwise think they could be tempted to ER for the right offer.

MADE IN LEITH
12-08-2013, 11:49 AM
Got to be Terry Butcher for me, proven success in the SPL with good contacts down south.

Gotta agree with you, Terry Butcher would be the obvious choice for us :agree:

DH1875
12-08-2013, 11:50 AM
I must be in cuckoo land then, don't know if either are the answer but would certainly be better than current manager.

Don't think either of these 2 can take their clubs much further whilst Hibs can improve dramatically & the potential is greater than either Motherwell or ICT.

Both would probably be considered for the Rangers job in the future but otherwise think they could be tempted to ER for the right offer.


McCall was offered the Sheff Utd job (a club he has close ties to) in the summer and knocked it back. Butcher also had the chance to go back south and said no. I don't know what sort of wages they were offered but I'll bet they were a hell of a lot more than what we'd offer. We are a total mess and honestly see no way they'd give up their current jobs to join us, which really is a sad state of affairs. Nope, I reckon our manager will be someone who's currently out of work.

Also, Butcher is a cert for the rangers job if he wants it.

YehButNoBut
12-08-2013, 11:58 AM
McCall was offered the Sheff Utd job (a club he has close ties to) in the summer and knocked it back. Butcher also had the chance to go back south and said no. I don't know what sort of wages they were offered but I'll bet they were a hell of a lot more than what we'd offer. We are a total mess and honestly see no way they'd give up their current jobs to join us, which really is a sad state of affairs. Nope, I reckon our manager will be someone who's currently out of work.

Also, Butcher is a cert for the rangers job if he wants it.

So if both were offered more money and turned it down it shows it's not about the cash.

If either were to come to Hibs and succeed (a big ask I know) it would do their careers no harm at all.

Mind you if either did come and failed it would prove once and for all that it's not the manager but something else wrong at Hibs.

Agree that one of them will likely be the next Rangers manager, but they can't both do it.

PatHead
12-08-2013, 02:26 PM
McCall was offered the Sheff Utd job (a club he has close ties to) in the summer and knocked it back. Butcher also had the chance to go back south and said no. I don't know what sort of wages they were offered but I'll bet they were a hell of a lot more than what we'd offer. We are a total mess and honestly see no way they'd give up their current jobs to join us, which really is a sad state of affairs. Nope, I reckon our manager will be someone who's currently out of work.

Also, Butcher is a cert for the rangers job if he wants it.

Funny, someone told me McCall was a cert for The Rangers job if he wants it.

Hermit Crab
12-08-2013, 02:30 PM
Funny, someone told me McCall was a cert for The Rangers job if he wants it.

Heard the same also.

The Leith Dutch
12-08-2013, 02:39 PM
So if both were offered more money and turned it down it shows it's not about the cash.

If either were to come to Hibs and succeed (a big ask I know) it would do their careers no harm at all.

Mind you if either did come and failed it would prove once and for all that it's not the manager but something else wrong at Hibs.

Agree that one of them will likely be the next Rangers manager, but they can't both do it.

Looking at it from a gambling perspective and you take risk vs reward.

Turning Hibs around would enhance Butcher's CV but only slightly unless he works absolute miracles and lands us some silverware.

Reputation wise that equates to minor reward with a very slim chance of good but not incredible reward.

Given the expectations of the support, the average length of time in the manager's job at Hibs and the lengthy list of problems you'd have to say it was high risk - he's finished 4th with ICT last season so finishing below that with a bigger club could at best be seen as treading water and he'd certainly need to be top 3 the season after to look good.

steakbake
12-08-2013, 02:49 PM
Looking at it from a gambling perspective and you take risk vs reward.

Turning Hibs around would enhance Butcher's CV but only slightly unless he works absolute miracles and lands us some silverware.

Reputation wise that equates to minor reward with a very slim chance of good but not incredible reward.

Given the expectations of the support, the average length of time in the manager's job at Hibs and the lengthy list of problems you'd have to say it was high risk - he's finished 4th with ICT last season so finishing below that with a bigger club could at best be seen as treading water and he'd certainly need to be top 3 the season after to look good.

Does Butcher want or need his CV enhanced? By all accounts he loves where he lives, enjoys his life near Inverness and does his job well. I don't think Butcher is in the managerial game to climb a career ladder.

The Leith Dutch
12-08-2013, 03:04 PM
Does Butcher want or need his CV enhanced? By all accounts he loves where he lives, enjoys his life near Inverness and does his job well. I don't think Butcher is in the managerial game to climb a career ladder.

Wasn't that I thought he was and would certainly have a lot of respect for the man if that is how he looks at it.

From a Hibs perspective I'm just concerned that we as fans think the Hibs managers job is a bigger deal than it is. Personally think it's a poisoned chalice at the minute that no decent manager in their right mind would touch.

Not that a decent manager is on our shopping list mind :wink:

blackpoolhibs
12-08-2013, 03:11 PM
Appointing the right manager is the most important thing our board can do, i remember when Mowbray was given the job.

Pre season we could see a change of philosophy and style, we played from the back with pace and purpose.

The crowds could see something was happening, and i remember travelling back from our first league game where we lost 1-0 at home to Killie.

We were buzzing, we all to a man couldn't wait for the next game because we were entertained and knew we were on the right track.

Crowds grew and we regularly had 13k home crowds at Easter Road.

Who is looking forward to next Saturday?

Beefster
12-08-2013, 03:13 PM
Who is looking forward to next Saturday?

Dundee Utd?

hibees 7062
12-08-2013, 03:25 PM
Eric Black and Ian Murray

bingo70
12-08-2013, 03:30 PM
Eric black is a good shout, what's he doing now?

YehButNoBut
12-08-2013, 03:32 PM
Eric black is a good shout, what's he doing now?

Don't think he's in a job just now, last position was caretaker manager at Blackburn last year.

hibees 7062
12-08-2013, 03:36 PM
Eric black is a good shout, what's he doing now?

Out of work . Even him and JN

bingo70
12-08-2013, 03:55 PM
Out of work . Even him and JN

On reflection I take back my 'good shout' comment, I've no idea if he'd be any good as I've no idea what his philosophies on football are, I think he's probably just been mentioned as he's Scottish and working in England.

Johnny foreigner for me please (not Irish though)

Black Kyle
12-08-2013, 04:21 PM
Difficult one. We won't get Butcher for all the reasons stated elsewhere - our expectations may be a bit higher than reality.

Let me think, bit of experience and a football playing philosophy with a degree of success, possibly in the lower leagues and a cheaper option.

Paul Hartley anyone? :duck:

steakbake
12-08-2013, 04:25 PM
Id take Paul Hartley.

edinburghhibee
12-08-2013, 04:36 PM
When are we going to start the Fenlon get tae **** song??? I haven't heard it since olie was between the sticks!

Makaveli
12-08-2013, 04:38 PM
When are we going to start the Fenlon get tae **** song??? I haven't heard it since olie was between the sticks!

It was sung at FT yesterday in the lower section. He saw/heard the reaction and didn't walk over to offer the usual token applause.

bingo70
12-08-2013, 04:40 PM
Gus poyet still out of work? Wonder if he could be tempted?

skoop
12-08-2013, 04:49 PM
anybody who can get us playing with flair again.

Aldo
12-08-2013, 04:50 PM
Gus poyet still out of work? Wonder if he could be tempted?

He would do. But would he come? Did really well at Brighton.

truehibernian
12-08-2013, 05:22 PM
Hypothetically - signing McCourt, a Zemmama type midfielder and another winger would be a start.

In the real world, knowing Hibs, they'll sign an 'exciting winger' and a 'creative playmaker' in the mould of Alan O'Brien and Joe Keenan.......or knowing our club bloody sign them and hail their return :greengrin

Anyone see how well Aberdeen played the last two weeks with 4 pacy wingers in their side - we don't even have one !

edinburghhibee
12-08-2013, 05:32 PM
It was sung at FT yesterday in the lower section. He saw/heard the reaction and didn't walk over to offer the usual token applause.

I was at the back of the stand and couldn't hear it. Think me an my old man were the only ones booing at full time as we walked down the stairs folk were actually clapping the team off the park!!!

I mean **** me when I clap hibs of the park at Tynie after being beaten like that its time for me to give up. Clubs a joke, fenlon's a joke, his tactics are a joke and the players who we are paying to perform to a decent standard are a joke.

Get your finger out your ***** and sort this mess out before we lose our support forever!!!

And this is me calmed down from yesterday!! :D

Keith_M
12-08-2013, 05:40 PM
It didn't go to well for the last Scandinavian manager did it?:greengrin


As far as I'm aware, we've never had a Scandinavian manager. The nearest we had was Mixu, but Finland isn't in Scandinavia. :wink:

pacorosssco
12-08-2013, 06:02 PM
As far as I'm aware, we've never had a Scandinavian manager. The nearest we had was Mixu, but Finland isn't in Scandinavia. :wink:

Hartley if hed take it, looks a prospect as gaffer, when he does well all will be forgiven and get it right roond them

marinello59
12-08-2013, 06:04 PM
As far as I'm aware, we've never had a Scandinavian manager. The nearest we had was Mixu, but Finland isn't in Scandinavia. :wink:

We could probably waste several pages on here debating whether Finland is Scandinavian or not. Is there a definitive answer? :greengrin

CropleyWasGod
12-08-2013, 06:15 PM
We could probably waste several pages on here debating whether Finland is Scandinavian or not. Is there a definitive answer? :greengrin

It's in Fenno-Scandinavia :agree:

MinceAndTatties
12-08-2013, 06:19 PM
Some interesting names but surely we need a model which helps to ensure we have consistency rather than lurch from one manager to the next, some playing direct, some building from the back.

What Hibs have lacked is a coherent football style and philosophy which pervades throughout the club from boys teams upwards. Ideally we would have a Dario Gradi figure who ensures that all players of whatever age are coached in this style and no players are acquired who cannot play the Hibs way. He would also ensure that we are never short of cover in certain positions. The first team coach should do just that, coach the team. The lack of a football director who handles appointments and acquisitions has cost us dearly. Hands up anyone who trusts Petrie to make the next managerial appointment.

BTW I still think PF should go. Jimmy Nichol would do ok in the short term, while we get the right man at Director level.

YehButNoBut
12-08-2013, 06:22 PM
We could probably waste several pages on here debating whether Finland is Scandinavian or not. Is there a definitive answer? :greengrin

Finland is not a part of Scandinavia, Sweden, Norway and Denmark are.

However, Finland, together with Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland form the Nordic countires, known in Finnish as Pohjoismaat. :aok:

YehButNoBut
12-08-2013, 07:09 PM
Put together a list of out of work/possible managers who may give us something different from the usual names that come up.

Mostly probably unobtainable but shows there is a lot of other potential managers out there instead of the usual suspects.

Tony Adams

Roy Aitken

David O'Leary

Nick Barmby

Henning Berg

Paul Dalglish

Steve Kean

Alan Irvine

Henrik Larsson

Gary McAllister

Billy McKinlay

Gary Megson

Rene Meulensteen

Alexei Mikhailichenko

Andy Morrell

Alex Rae

Ole Gunnar Solskjar

Raymond Verheijen

Morten Wieghorst

Danny Wilson

Dennis Wise

Gordy M
12-08-2013, 07:12 PM
Put together a list of out of work/possible managers who may give us something different from the usual names that come up.

Mostly probably unobtainable but shows there is a lot of other potential managers out there instead of the usual suspects.

Tony Adams

Roy Aitken

David O'Leary

Nick Barmby

Henning Berg

Paul Dalglish

Steve Kean

Alan Irvine

Henrik Larsson

Gary McAllister

Billy McKinlay

Gary Megson

Rene Meulensteen

Alexei Mikhailichenko

Andy Morrell

Alex Rae

Ole Gunnar Solskjar

Raymond Verheijen

Morten Wieghorst

Danny Wilson

Dennis Wise

was alan irvine not heavily touted on here before pf or was it before cc?

BOB MARLEYS DUG
13-08-2013, 12:35 PM
What about Boozy? :wink::greengrin

Badge
13-08-2013, 01:31 PM
What about Boozy? :wink::greengrin
As first team coach with Ian Murray as Manager.

hibees 7062
14-08-2013, 03:16 PM
As first team coach with Ian Murray as Manager.

And Stanton as DOF