Terry Butcher (3 Year Contract Confirmed)

[greenlex]

Aye - we just had to get training facilitites and finish the ground .. wee bit of patience .. and great things would happen! :rolleyes:

Reaping the 'rewards' from neglecting the team for infrastructure. Masterful decision.

Still 'least when we can be arsed going we're miserable in comfort.

Good luck to TB - by sounds of it he's gonna need buckets of it after today's low..The infrastructure was the correct way to do it. It has no bearing on where we are the moment. We have spent more than anyone else bar Celtic Rangers and Hearts so its nothing to do with spending elsewhere. Change the record dafty.

[rcarter1]

Aye - we just had to get training facilitites and finish the ground .. wee bit of patience .. and great things would happen! :rolleyes:

Reaping the 'rewards' from neglecting the team for infrastructure. Masterful decision.

Still 'least when we can be arsed going we're miserable in comfort.

Good luck to TB - by sounds of it he's gonna need buckets of it after today's low..

I was fan of East Mains at the beginning but seems a great training ground doesn't really make any difference. The stadium is looking sharp, but if other teams can get away with playing in lesser stadiums, what exactly is the point. If these clubs will be forced to cough up on stadia in the future then it will help us, but if they don't then we've wasted money. Hibs - :brickwall

[IWasThere2016]

The infrastructure was the correct way to do it. It has no bearing on where we are the moment. We have spent more than anyone else bar Celtic Rangers and Hearts so its nothing to do with spending elsewhere. Change the record dafty.

Ok then .. the actual situation is decline, decline, decline .. so I'm not sure how you can conclude this was the right way to go.

[rcarter1]

The infrastructure was the correct way to do it. It has no bearing on where we are the moment. We have spent more than anyone else bar Celtic Rangers and Hearts so its nothing to do with spending elsewhere. Change the record dafty.

Some of that money could have been spent on investing in a top manager a few years ago, someone to lead the club forward. Its hard to knock the infrastructure, but a different vision from the top might have pushed the football side of things as well. The club patted itself on the back and was complacent.

[IWasThere2016]

Some of that money could have been spent on investing in a top manager a few years ago, someone to lead the club forward. Its hard to knock the infrastructure, but a different vision from the top might have pushed the football side of things as well. The club patted itself on the back and was complacent.

:agree:

Playing in a lovely stadium with 60% of the seats empty - like today - seems to have motivated the players no end

[PapillonVert]

I hope and pray that Terry Butcher and co are the answer to our problems.

In my 46 years watching Hibs I can never recall being so pissed off as I am just now.

Seen two teams relegated and other dross teams but if this appointment fails then heaven help us.

Quite. My God, we know that being a Hibs fan ain't easy but recently it has been well beyond a joke and strained our tolerance well beyond breaking point.

There must be a level of player and play below which even we long-suffering fans cannot stomach and it has been reached and surpassed IMO.

The club must now start to take notice of the grumblings of discontent.

We are now being expected to pay to see total dross week after week, season after season. It is just no longer acceptable and the Board has to see this.

If this appointment doesn't work out, I really fear for the Club's future.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I wouldn't blame TB at all if he had a change of mind after that today. He's so settled in a safe job up there. Looks like it would take a miracle to turn us around right now. I really hope he watched today thinking 'that looks like a decent challenge'. Wouldn't blame him though if his thoughts were '**** that'.
I'm still in my 20's so can't judge everything but I remember our play off season then our relegation season really well and I don't ever remember feeling as low about us as I do now. At least we looked like scoring back then. At least we fought. I had to convince my mates to stay for the second half today-wish I hadn't bothered. Utterly grim times

[Aldo]

Youse just don't get it do you.... Rods 5 year plan... Need I say more??

[greenlex]

Some of that money could have been spent on investing in a top manager a few years ago, someone to lead the club forward. Its hard to knock the infrastructure, but a different vision from the top might have pushed the football side of things as well. The club patted itself on the back and was complacent.Might have. Might have not. The infrastructure will always be there 100% Guaranteed and the money wont need to be spent again.

[greenlex]

Ok then .. the actual situation is decline, decline, decline .. so I'm not sure how you can conclude this was the right way to go. My point is that the infrastructure spend has had no bearing on the decline. Is not really rocket science G. Spending on other things may have made a difference but might not. The infrastructure is there guaranteed and not at the expense of being able to compete. Whether we competed or not is not up for debate but we had the means to.

[mca]

Former England captain to be manager of Hibernian FC.

Who'd have thunk it?


Yup.. We Cant Forget The Guy is a Total England Legend !!! and That he Has Far Greater Repect and Numerous Contacts Down South.. ?? :greengrin



Lets Give The Guy a Chance.. :agree:

[Hibbyradge]

A brilliant 80's band from Norway who would probably be known for their biggest hit "Take on me", this was not only a great song but also a superb video which if i remember rightly won VH1's 100 greatest ever video award at some point in the mid 90's.

Tyvm.

[aunty joyce]

I have just been introduced to terry at ER - in hospitality. He was introduced to me as the new Hibs manager. He is at the game

Who introduced Terry as the new Hibs manager -a club representative or a random???

[silverhibee]

:agree:

Playing in a lovely stadium with 60% of the seats empty - like today - seems to have motivated the players no end


Heard a we story a few weeks ago, not to sure if the guy was right but he said if Hibs STs were to fall under the 6000 then it would cause serious problems at Hibs, possibility of closing down a stand, more cutbacks on the now cutbacks and it could even come to the closure of EM as it costs about £500,000 to maintain a year.

The stadium would have to be priority, ie maintaining the pitch, maybe new pitch depending on weather, under soil heating, managers budget and players wages, there would be nothing left to maintain EM and it may have to be sold, big question is who would want to buy it, don't think you are allowed to build on it so unless another team appears in the Lothians this year then can't see many buyers for it.

Just passing on what i was told.

[ekhibee]

The infrastructure was the correct way to do it. It has no bearing on where we are the moment. We have spent more than anyone else bar Celtic Rangers and Hearts so its nothing to do with spending elsewhere. Change the record dafty.

Well you're right about the infrastructure having no bearing on where we are at the moment, because I've seen very little improvement in the performances from the team since the training centre has been up and running. A new stand that has rarely, if ever been totally filled. Indeed, infrastructure has had no bearing on the performances of Motherwell, ICT or Dundee Utd who all consistently finish ahead of us in the table these days. Hope you're proved right though.

[Tom Hart RIP]

Interesting after match comments from Jimmy Nicholl regarding Terry Butcher and also yesterday's display. He says that he hates it when players are frightened to try something because of the crowd reaction. He also tells about how TB got back into the game after his time in England. http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2013/11/terry-butcher-given-some-food-for-thought-after-lacklustre-hibs-display/

[Salisbury Hibby]

Jimmy Nicholl seems to be a nice man. Maybe too nice.

[Greenworld]

I wonder if the stumbling block over TB might be if Malpas &co dont want to join him

How would everyone yhink of that.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Heard a we story a few weeks ago, not to sure if the guy was right but he said if Hibs STs were to fall under the 6000 then it would cause serious problems at Hibs, possibility of closing down a stand, more cutbacks on the now cutbacks and it could even come to the closure of EM as it costs about £500,000 to maintain a year.

The stadium would have to be priority, ie maintaining the pitch, maybe new pitch depending on weather, under soil heating, managers budget and players wages, there would be nothing left to maintain EM and it may have to be sold, big question is who would want to buy it, don't think you are allowed to build on it so unless another team appears in the Lothians this year then can't see many buyers for it.

Just passing on what i was told.

That would be a disaster, after all the time and expense put into East Mains, and would also be very embarrassing. It mustn't be allowed to happen.

[Davy Mac]

Heard a we story a few weeks ago, not to sure if the guy was right but he said if Hibs STs were to fall under the 6000 then it would cause serious problems at Hibs, possibility of closing down a stand, more cutbacks on the now cutbacks and it could even come to the closure of EM as it costs about £500,000 to maintain a year.

The stadium would have to be priority, ie maintaining the pitch, maybe new pitch depending on weather, under soil heating, managers budget and players wages, there would be nothing left to maintain EM and it may have to be sold, big question is who would want to buy it, don't think you are allowed to build on it so unless another team appears in the Lothians this year then can't see many buyers for it.

Just passing on what i was told.

Hi SH

Interesting point but I suppose this would apply to any business that's not performing and I don't think Hibs or a football club are any different. Closing a stand is actually quite a sensible idea or at least one of the top tiers.

To be fair the game in Scotland has gone to the dogs anyway and cutbacks are inevitable, also I think there will a tipping point with Petrie and it may be this or the blazer job in Glasgow he is currently being groomed for.

Worrying times indeed

[shagpile]

Well you're right about the infrastructure having no bearing on where we are at the moment, because I've seen very little improvement in the performances from the team since the training centre has been up and running. A new stand that has rarely, if ever been totally filled. Indeed, infrastructure has had no bearing on the performances of Motherwell, ICT or Dundee Utd who all consistently finish ahead of us in the table these days. Hope you're proved right though.

A training centre is just that. Somewhere to train. For senior pros at the club it really makes little or no difference to their skill level if they train there or on a public park.
Where the training centre should be of big benefit is in the coaching of youngsters.
Of course Scotland---& the rest of Britain for that matter ------is so far behind in its attitude to coaching of kids that it will make little difference if it is a high tech, state of the art training centre or a piece of waste ground covered in gravel.
We are in the dark ages still.

[joe breezy]

I wonder if the stumbling block over TB might be if Malpas &co dont want to join him

How would everyone yhink of that.

There is no way in the world that Rod Petrie would be introducing TB as the new Hibs manager yesterday if it wasn't a done deal

[Mikey]

Heard a we story a few weeks ago, not to sure if the guy was right but he said if Hibs STs were to fall under the 6000 then it would cause serious problems at Hibs, possibility of closing down a stand, more cutbacks on the now cutbacks and it could even come to the closure of EM as it costs about £500,000 to maintain a year.

The stadium would have to be priority, ie maintaining the pitch, maybe new pitch depending on weather, under soil heating, managers budget and players wages, there would be nothing left to maintain EM and it may have to be sold, big question is who would want to buy it, don't think you are allowed to build on it so unless another team appears in the Lothians this year then can't see many buyers for it.

Just passing on what i was told.

East Mains used to cost around £500k a year to run but it'll be nothing like that now. Probably nearer half.

Makes for a good scaremongering story though :greengrin

Presumably the answer is for more people to go to the games............... :wink:

[SMAXXA]

East Mains used to cost around £500k a year to run but it'll be nothing like that now. Probably nearer half.

Makes for a good scaremongering story though :greengrin

Presumably the answer is for more people to go to the games............... :wink:

:agree:

To be fair, if anyone's going to be the ones killing our club it is more Likely to be us fans if we decide not to attend games. Look over the road for evidence of how the other side of the coin is when fans all pull together and show unity.

If we were in the same position as them would our fans do the same, I'd like to think so but people need to keep attending games to prevent any future financial problems IMO.

[Eternal Hibbie]

Hi SH

Interesting point but I suppose this would apply to any business that's not performing and I don't think Hibs or a football club are any different. Closing a stand is actually quite a sensible idea or at least one of the top tiers.

To be fair the game in Scotland has gone to the dogs anyway and cutbacks are inevitable, also I think there will a tipping point with Petrie and it may be this or the blazer job in Glasgow he is currently being groomed for.

Worrying times indeed

C'mon, we are having a wee bad spell currently, some might say for a few seasons now, had we scored the goals our first thirty minutes against Hearts deserved we wouldn't be anywhere near this level of negativity.

We weren't happy with the style of football under PF, he's away now, it seems we have attracted a manager who plays a totally different type of football with hopefully all his backroom team who have worked minor miracles at a small highland club - why all the doom and gloom ?

We made a profit last season even though we were abysmal, why are we going to get worse ?

Closing stands, EM, season tickets falling below the six thousand mark is hypothetical nonsense, we are a forward thinking club, a big club - honest.

Please, let's just wait and see what develops over the next twenty-four hours or so and where we are at the end of the season before we cut our collective throats.

Rod never built four new stands with a view to closing one down, how many season ticket holders did we manage to hold onto when we were relegated, we're a million miles from that scenario.

[Mikey]

:agree:

To be fair, if anyone's going to be the ones killing our club it is more Likely to be us fans if we decide not to attend games. Look over the road for evidence of how the other side of the coin is when fans all pull together and show unity.

If we were in the same position as them would our fans do the same, I'd like to think so but people need to keep attending games to prevent any future financial problems IMO.

How well reinforced is your bunker? :greengrin

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Jimmy Nicholl seems to be a nice man. Maybe too nice.

Don't know if you heard his radio piece yesterday but it came across like that he knew what the issues were without perhaps being the right man to address them. That is not a pop at his abilities but more a comment that Jimmy Nic is half of a double act rather than a manager on his own.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'd hate to see a stand closed at ER. A capital city club shouldn't need to close a stand in a 20,000 capacity stadium. Yes, we're fed up, but such a move shouldn't be on the radar. Indeed, we should be discussing how to fill the place from time to time and how to have it three-quarters full the majority of the time. It isn't Camp Nou we're trying to fill.

[Hibbyradge]

Aye - we just had to get training facilitites and finish the ground .. wee bit of patience .. and great things would happen! :rolleyes:

Reaping the 'rewards' from neglecting the team for infrastructure. Masterful decision.

Still 'least when we can be arsed going we're miserable in comfort.

Good luck to TB - by sounds of it he's gonna need buckets of it after today's low..

You really need to change the record and the bit in bold isn't your strongest argument.

[The Modfather]

East Mains used to cost around £500k a year to run but it'll be nothing like that now. Probably nearer half.

Makes for a good scaremongering story though :greengrin

Presumably the answer is for more people to go to the games............... :wink:

Presumably the board have to put something on show for the fans to pay the vastly over inflated prices. Relying on blind loyalty isn't a workable business plan.

We stood up and were counted the last time (SUABC) and were rewarded with the last 6 years. Perhaps it's time for the board to Stand Up And Be Counted and actually deliver.

There's, apparently, a "5 year plan" with Petrie still at the helm who's to say it will be any different from the unmitigated failure of the last 6 years. Was there a plan for the last 6 years? Or, as I suspect, does Petrie make it up as he goes along.

I'm delighted Fenlon has gone, and cautiously optimistic should it be Butcher, but for me to really feel like it is a new dawn would take the resignation of Petrie. Fenlon had the integrity to accept responsibility and step aside when it wasn't working, If only Petrie could do likewise and not maintain his own ego and lack if accountability. "Unworkable legacies" indeed!

[Hibbyradge]

I wouldn't blame TB at all if he had a change of mind after that today.

I would blame him.

He would show himself to be as fickle as the fans with no bottle for a fight, if he ran away after a defeat over which he had no influence.

The Hibs job is about more than one game or even one season.

[Hibbyradge]

My point is that the infrastructure spend has had no bearing on the decline. Is not really rocket science G. Spending on other things may have made a difference but might not. The infrastructure is there guaranteed and not at the expense of being able to compete. Whether we competed or not is not up for debate but we had the means to.

Indeed.

The argument that the stand and training centre are the cause of our poor team is a straw man.

I would argue that the stand and training ground are the cause of our £6m debt.

[trev the hat]

Heard a we story a few weeks ago, not to sure if the guy was right but he said if Hibs STs were to fall under the 6000 then it would cause serious problems at Hibs, possibility of closing down a stand, more cutbacks on the now cutbacks and it could even come to the closure of EM as it costs about £500,000 to maintain a year.

The stadium would have to be priority, ie maintaining the pitch, maybe new pitch depending on weather, under soil heating, managers budget and players wages, there would be nothing left to maintain EM and it may have to be sold, big question is who would want to buy it, don't think you are allowed to build on it so unless another team appears in the Lothians this year then can't see many buyers for it.

Just passing on what i was told.

Interesting SH, I see no reason why top tiers in West & North as far as season books go could be sold only after the bottom tiers had sold out, this could even improve atmposphere with more crowd closer to the pitch. I'm sure they do this at murrayfield on occasion & the only stumbling block would be transition of season books so would need to be introduced at seasons end. Personally I'd much rather see full lower tiers than scattered attendance in whole stands, just my own opinion mind you & maybe guys with season books in upper tiers would disagree. Walk ups could use upper areas along with hospitality.

[clerriehibs]

Interesting SH, I see no reason why top tiers in West & North as far as season books go could be sold only after the bottom tiers had sold out, this could even improve atmposphere with more crowd closer to the pitch. I'm sure they do this at murrayfield on occasion & the only stumbling block would be transition of season books so would need to be introduced at seasons end. Personally I'd much rather see full lower tiers than scattered attendance in whole stands, just my own opinion mind you & maybe guys with season books in upper tiers would disagree. Walk ups could use upper areas along with hospitality.


So if you're currently a ST holder in an upper tier, and you like it there, you'd be better off giving up the ST and becoming a walk up to get your seat in the upper tier? Can't see the club liking a plan that deters ST holders.

[DaveF]

:agree:

To be fair, if anyone's going to be the ones killing our club it is more Likely to be us fans if we decide not to attend games. Look over the road for evidence of how the other side of the coin is when fans all pull together and show unity.

If we were in the same position as them would our fans do the same, I'd like to think so but people need to keep attending games to prevent any future financial problems IMO.

Did you fall asleep during Mercer?

Get it even half right on the park and the fans will turn up. We need look no further than Malmo to see that the fans are there, but it's the product which is boring them to death.

[clerriehibs]

Heard a we story a few weeks ago, not to sure if the guy was right but he said if Hibs STs were to fall under the 6000 then it would cause serious problems at Hibs, possibility of closing down a stand, more cutbacks on the now cutbacks and it could even come to the closure of EM as it costs about £500,000 to maintain a year.

The stadium would have to be priority, ie maintaining the pitch, maybe new pitch depending on weather, under soil heating, managers budget and players wages, there would be nothing left to maintain EM and it may have to be sold, big question is who would want to buy it, don't think you are allowed to build on it so unless another team appears in the Lothians this year then can't see many buyers for it.

Just passing on what i was told.

Sounds like a variation on the **** so many uninformed yams are coming up with.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Im told by a coach that Other clubs - Stranraer and Ayr united for example - run academies "separate" entities from the club (the club/other clubs pay fees for youth making the transition) so are "buffered" by the ups and downs of the club whereas Rangers and Hearts have suffered. Donno where Hibs stand on this.

EM is not just a training centre it seems to also becoming a hub for community fitness (possibly attracting grants?) indeed the healthy Hibees and football fans in training have played 7s there recently for more info check the community foundation Facebook page...

If anyone goes to see the facilities at EM they'll be impressed and wonder in disbelief that we can turn in such limp performance there is really no excuse the facilities are there for 100% focus on football and becoming the best you can. The rest is up to player attitude, mentality and coaching.

[trev the hat]

So if you're currently a ST holder in an upper tier, and you like it there, you'd be better off giving up the ST and becoming a walk up to get your seat in the upper tier? Can't see the club liking a plan that deters ST holders.

A financial % off their new book could be a strong persuader.

[Gettin' Auld]

Jimmy Nicholl seems to be a nice man. Maybe too nice.

Everytime i see him, he reminds me of Charlie Drake (you have to be beyond a certain age to remember that guy) :greengrin

[clerriehibs]

Indeed.

The argument that the stand and training centre are the cause of our poor team is a straw man.

I would argue that the stand and training ground are the cause of our £6m debt.
Any debt has a cause; that doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing.

Our ground was **** before. We now have a decent ground whereas we could be playing in something similar to the yamturds (although we'd obviously never have been looked on so favorably as the yamturds have by the council).

Our players used to trawl round Edinburgh looking for a public park to train on. That was unprofessional.

We are, support-wise, one of the top 4/5 teams in Scotland. We have to have the infrastructure in place to support the good times WHEN they come back.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Interestingly enough in Fergies blueprint for a football club he advocated burning all football academies :fibber:

[clerriehibs]

A financial % off their new book could be a strong persuader.

That's not going to happen. The club take their prices to the lower limit.

The correct thing to do to get the fans back is to get the product on the park right. The board are trying to do that with the latest expected appointment.

[SMAXXA]

Did you fall asleep during Mercer?

Get it even half right on the park and the fans will turn up. We need look no further than Malmo to see that the fans are there, but it's the product which is boring them to death.

So you don't follow your club unless the product is right on the park? :confused:

Yeah they are watching some Barca style football over the road right enough. We won't always like what we see but I guess that's part and parcel of being a supporter.

[SouthamptonHibs]

New manager needs to find away to win home games thats a football clubs main revenue stream. Hibs should be able to win ten out of 18/19 home games each season.

[jodjam]

Everytime i see him, he reminds me of Charlie Drake (you have to be beyond a certain age to remember that guy) :greengrin

It probably is the reason we are playing celebrity square balls :)

[Eternal Hibbie]

So you don't follow your club unless the product is right on the park? :confused:

Yeah they are watching some Barca style football over the road right enough. We won't always like what we see but I guess that's part and parcel of being a supporter.

That's the case with every club and not just Hibs.

The headless chickens across the road aren't only attending to watch their team, they are trying to keep them in existence, we would do the same.

Totally accurate post, a better product on the park equals better attendances.

[blackpoolhibs]

That's the case with every club and not just Hibs.

The headless chickens across the road aren't only attending to watch their team, they are trying to keep them in existence, we would do the same.

Totally accurate post, a better product on the park equals better attendances.

Thats always been the case, but its even more now with the cost of football these days. Like it or not, the cost of going to games now is a factor in weighing up whether they go or not.

And some people are not going because its just not worth it, they are looking for value. If the product on the park was better, then more folk will come because they think they are getting their moneys worth.

Blind loyalty has gone these days for a lot of fans, cost and value for money is right up there as the reason its gone.

[Eternal Hibbie]

Thats always been the case, but its even more now with the cost of football these days. Like it or not, the cost of going to games now is a factor in weighing up whether they go or not.

And some people are not going because its just not worth it, they are looking for value. If the product on the park was better, then more folk will come because they think they are getting their moneys worth.

Blind loyalty has gone these days for a lot of fans, cost and value for money is right up there as the reason its gone.


Spot on Blackpool but big Tel's gonnae fix it - we hope. :thumbup:

[Bishop Hibee]

There was never blind loyalty. When Hibs have a good team more people turn up.

Yesterday's performance was abject and most fans are despairing. Butcher or whoever takes over have a huge job.

[Eternal Hibbie]

There was never blind loyalty. When Hibs have a good team more people turn up.

Yesterday's performance was abject and most fans are despairing. Butcher or whoever takes over have a huge job.


See, I'm starting to sound like Hibs PR man but I really don't think things are that bad.

It's only three weeks back since we lost one game in nine and we are only a few weeks away from the window opening again, a couple of clever signings from our new boss giving us pace and width and everything could be tickety-boo, fickle game fitba.

[blackpoolhibs]

See, I'm starting to sound like Hibs PR man but I really don't think things are that bad.

It's only three weeks back since we lost one game in nine and we are only a few weeks away from the window opening again, a couple of clever signings from our new boss giving us pace and width and everything could be tickety-boo, fickle game fitba.

A couple of signings? Personally i think we need much more than that. :boo hoo:

[Craig_in_Prague]

See, I'm starting to sound like Hibs PR man but I really don't think things are that bad.

It's only three weeks back since we lost one game in nine and we are only a few weeks away from the window opening again, a couple of clever signings from our new boss giving us pace and width and everything could be tickety-boo, fickle game fitba.

Things are honking. 2 league wins at ER in 2013.

If and when new manager gets the team going somehow, crowds will sneak up and up. Until some pace/width/spark is in the side, you cant argue with anyone that avoids ER. Slow, turgid, losing football.

[steviehibsleith]

Thats always been the case, but its even more now with the cost of football these days. Like it or not, the cost of going to games now is a factor in weighing up whether they go or not.

And some people are not going because its just not worth it, they are looking for value. If the product on the park was better, then more folk will come because they think they are getting their moneys worth.

Blind loyalty has gone these days for a lot of fans, cost and value for money is right up there as the reason its gone.
Spot on a dad wants to treat his 2 kids to a game £46 just to get in ! This has been pointed out on numerous threads everytime we have a poor attendance but does anyone actually listen. The response is the same well season ticket holders pay a fee so we cant drop prices or we are penalising them.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Back page of the Sunday Mail....yes I know......saying Malpas in for the Caley job.

Of course, no comments or quotes to support this.

Hope it's unfounded - we need the fully Caley management teamat ER

GGTTH

[silverhibee]

East Mains used to cost around £500k a year to run but it'll be nothing like that now. Probably nearer half.

Makes for a good scaremongering story though :greengrin

Presumably the answer is for more people to go to the games............... :wink:


So is it 500k or 250k even your not sure Mikey.

As for the scaremongering, wasn't it mentioned at the last AGM that if STs were to drop for next season to around that figure then the club would have hard decisions to make and drastic actions would be taken with regards EM and more cutbacks.

ST holder just like you Mikey as you know and i think i have watched enough pish at ER this season, i gave them a chance you just gave up after a couple of games. :wink: :greengrin

Please tell me how the club plan to bring more punters to watch the pish on show at ER, folk won't come back and watch that crap and the people who do go along just now just might not renew for next season after the crap that has been served up to them as football under Fenlon, he killed footballl at Hibs and nobody likes it bar one or two folk on here.

The joys of being a Hibby eh..

[Mikey]

Sounds like a variation on the **** so many uninformed yams are coming up with.

That's exactly what it is. Made up rubbish that will become FACT if enough people say it often enough.

[silverhibee]

:agree:

To be fair, if anyone's going to be the ones killing our club it is more Likely to be us fans if we decide not to attend games. Look over the road for evidence of how the other side of the coin is when fans all pull together and show unity.

If we were in the same position as them would our fans do the same, I'd like to think so but people need to keep attending games to prevent any future financial problems IMO.

Yep, keep blaming the fans and it will soon become a .net fact. :faf:



F*** the h*****

[Hibercelona]

Yep, keep blaming the fans and it will soon become a .net fact. :faf:



F*** the h*****

:top marks

[Salisbury Hibby]

Don't know if you heard his radio piece yesterday but it came across like that he knew what the issues were without perhaps being the right man to address them. That is not a pop at his abilities but more a comment that Jimmy Nic is half of a double act rather than a manager on his own.
I think you're right. I have a lot of time for Jimmy Nicholl from listening to his interviews, but think that Hibs need a good Management Team. Jimmy could be part of that but not as Manager.

[heid the baw]

Thats always been the case, but its even more now with the cost of football these days. Like it or not, the cost of going to games now is a factor in weighing up whether they go or not.

And some people are not going because its just not worth it, they are looking for value. If the product on the park was better, then more folk will come because they think they are getting their moneys worth.

Blind loyalty has gone these days for a lot of fans, cost and value for money is right up there as the reason its gone.

I totally agree, Last season we had Claros, Griffiths, Harris and even the much maligned Wotherspoon all capable of skillful play, turning a game and that made attending games far more attractive.

The replacement players for the likes of Claros, Griffiths, Wotherspoon and Doyle have all been of a very poor standard and offer nothing in terms of skillful attractive football. Look at what is on offer at Dundee Utd, St Johnstone, ITC and Aberdeen for example and compare that to Hibs. We have no-one close to a Stevie May, Niall McGinn, Billy McKay Ryan Gauld to name but a few. Fans who don't just blindly follow out of a sense of duty, will pay to go to watch good players.

I am also sick of Hibs changing managers and writing off whole seasons in the process. Fenlon should have gone after the Malmo game. The almost total lack of communication from the club bosses as to their thoughts around his departure and the progress of replacing him just adds to my sense of apathy. If they can't be ersed sharing their vision of where the club is heading and what they want to achieve, why should I bother turning up every week and spending my cash.

Once they get it sorted or at least explain the short and long term plans, then I will be back.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

There is a good article in the SOS by Martin Hanning.

Talks about the three of them as a unit and the fact that Butcher, Malpas & Marsella are integral in the overall success.

I really hope tomorrow all three are officially announced as our new management team so we can begin to put this atrocious period behind us.

[Eternal Hibbie]

There is a good article in the SOS by Martin Hanning.

Talks about the three of them as a unit and the fact that Butcher, Malpas & Marsella are integral in the overall success.

I really hope tomorrow all three are officially announced as our new management team so we can begin to put this atrocious period behind us.

Agree - where's theCat ?

[silverhibee]

A couple of signings? Personally i think we need much more than that. :boo hoo:

Money will be needed to bring in more signings, where does that come from, search me, :greengrin our strikers are signed up on long contracts so i think who ever the manager is they will still have to work with the same players, more a case of can the new man get more out of these players and get them doing what there paid to do, stick the ball in the net.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Might have. Might have not. The infrastructure will always be there 100% Guaranteed and the money wont need to be spent again.

The direction Scottish football was/is heading in it didnae need to be spent on infrastructure then/now either.

[Eternal Hibbie]

The direction Scottish football was/is heading in it didnae need to be spent on infrastructure then/now either.

The new east is paying it's way as the ground is now looked on favourably as a semi-final venue, odd international etc, old east wasn't fit for purpose anyway and the new stand allowed other improvements to be made stadium wise.

Would suggest the new east is also the favoured stand of most supporters these days.

Long gone are the days of training at Wardie or Portobello surely but that's a debate we've had on here a thousand times . . . and counting.

[Geo_1875]

The spending on infrastructure has little or no effect on the football team. We wouldn't have taken out a mortgage to fund the player pool.

[DaveF]

So you don't follow your club unless the product is right on the park? :confused:

Yeah they are watching some Barca style football over the road right enough. We won't always like what we see but I guess that's part and parcel of being a supporter.

Thay are turning up in good numbers because the club is skint and near to going out of business. They have a small squad of mainly young lads who are giving absolutely everything they have for the jersey. The fans see that and respond.

We have a squad who are doing the exact opposite, so what are you expecting? It's only the ER diehards who will pay to watch the current incumbents in the green jersey. There is no incentive for the floating fan to pay right now. Give them something tangible in terms of progress and they will return.

[grunt]

Give them something tangible in terms of progress and they will return."Build it and they will come?"

[Franck Stanton]

The spending on infrastructure has little or no effect on the football team. We wouldn't have taken out a mortgage to fund the player pool.
Good point, very good point in fact.

[Pat 0-7]

Money will be needed to bring in more signings, where does that come from, search me, :greengrin our strikers are signed up on long contracts so i think who ever the manager is they will still have to work with the same players, more a case of can the new man get more out of these players and get them doing what there paid to do, stick the ball in the net.

Hopefully like Strachan has done with Scotland after the HP Jambo pr1ck debacle........:pray:

[silverhibee]

Hopefully like Strachan has done with Scotland after the HP Jambo pr1ck debacle........:pray:


:agree:


Something exactly like that.

[greenpaper55]

Looks like it's all done and dusted - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24880937

[Hermit Crab]

Looks like it's all done and dusted - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24880937

Doesn't look like it's done and dusted if compo has still to be agreed.

[greenpaper55]

He can still take over even if the fee is in dispute, that can be decided by tribunal at a later date.

[greenlex]

6 months left on his contract. Can't be too much. Announcement tomorrow unveiling him either way.

[chrisski33]

Apparently malpas doesnt want to come to hibs

[Cabbage East]

Apparently Tom Farmer has sold the club to David Murray.

Aye, I've posted nonsense without saying where it came from too.

[mcfly]

Apparently malpas doesnt want to come to hibs

Where are you getting this from??? Trust in rod. It's all done

[The_Horde]

I heard were no interested in butcher or his dug. Serious amount of yammery on here the day.

[Mikey]

;3804037']I heard were no interested in butcher or his dug. Serious amount of yammery on here the day.

They're Hibs fans.

I know it's often hard to believe, but they are!

[SteveHFC]

Hearing Craig Levein will be our new manager with Paul Hartley as his assistant:duck::greengrin

[chrisski33]

Where are you getting this from??? Trust in rod. It's all done

Sunday mail and the bbc but it could all be nonsense but yet again it might not be

[Haymaker]

Just got this email from my contact.

"Hi mate, I am hearing tonight that the sticking point isn't compo - it is Malpas has been offered the ICT job and is going for it and that Butchers preferred replacement is none other than Derek Riordan which the Chairman isn't too happy with from what I hear. Derek has been working on his badges and Butcher thinks he has what it takes with the added bonus that he "knows Hibs, knows the fans, knows the expectations and would get the players up for the big games." Butcher wants to bring him in as player assistant/coach, fitness isn't a problem."

[chrisski33]

Just got this email from my contact.

"Hi mate, I am hearing tonight that the sticking point isn't compo - it is Malpas has been offered the ICT job and is going for it and that Butchers preferred replacement is none other than Derek Riordan which the Chairman isn't too happy with from what I hear. Derek has been working on his badges and Butcher thinks he has what it takes with the added bonus that he "knows Hibs, knows the fans, knows the expectations and would get the players up for the big games." Butcher wants to bring him in as player assistant/coach, fitness isn't a problem."

Haha aye ok

[SteveHFC]

Haha aye ok

Heard the same mate :agree:

[TheFamous1875]

Haha aye ok

To be fair, I can't think of anyone better we cold get as a 'finishing' coach.


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[chrisski33]

Heard the same mate :agree:

Funny that u said u heard levein had got the job with hartley as assistant

[The_Horde]

They're Hibs fans.

I know it's often hard to believe, but they are!

You have to say that! :greengrin:

How many people have come out the woodwork as having a source in this thread? Where are these people with connections when there's nae rumours in the August/January transfer windows?

[Hermit Crab]

Just got this email from my contact.

"Hi mate, I am hearing tonight that the sticking point isn't compo - it is Malpas has been offered the ICT job and is going for it and that Butchers preferred replacement is none other than Derek Riordan which the Chairman isn't too happy with from what I hear. Derek has been working on his badges and Butcher thinks he has what it takes with the added bonus that he "knows Hibs, knows the fans, knows the expectations and would get the players up for the big games." Butcher wants to bring him in as player assistant/coach, fitness isn't a problem."


You're the second person to say this now. I was told this at the game yesterday but just laughed it of as nonsense. Seems like there could be something in this. Interesting times ahead. :hmmm:

[silverhibee]

You're the second person to say this now. I was told this at the game yesterday but just laughed it of as nonsense. Seems like there could be something in this. Interesting times ahead. :hmmm:

Strange that Alba did a piece at HT during the game yesterday about Riordan.

[Thecat23]

Fully expect all three at Hibs and Hibs hopefully will announce it.

Nothing changed from what I hear!

[Haymaker]

Strange that Alba did a piece at HT during the game yesterday about Riordan.
Believe Butcher was in attendance with Deeks agent.

[Craig_in_Prague]

GoC in as fitness coach with Deeks assistant. Fact.

[TheFamous1875]

So, based on what I've read here, it is at least plausible that we could potentially have Terry Butcher and his team, AND Kenny Miller AND Derek Riordan come january?


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[Haymaker]

So, based on what I've read here, it is at least plausible that we could potentially have Terry Butcher and his team, AND Kenny Miller AND Derek Riordan come january?


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Least our strikers will be good. :agree:

[ronaldo7]

So, based on what I've read here, it is at least plausible that we could potentially have Terry Butcher and his team, AND Kenny Miller AND Derek Riordan come january?


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Whatever happened to John Brownlie:greengrin

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?273625-John-Brownlie

[chrisski33]

Fully expect all three at Hibs and Hibs hopefully will announce it.

Nothing changed from what I hear!

Well I hope ur right cat. Cant see deeks at hibs as assistant yet.

[Hermit Crab]

Strange that Alba did a piece at HT during the game yesterday about Riordan.


Making sense now.

[Thecat23]

Well I hope ur right cat. Cant see deeks at hibs as assistant yet.

It would surprise me that's for sure.

[FranckSuzy]

Least our strikers will be good. :agree:

Well, TB will need someone to show him the ropes...........of George Street, the West End, the Omni Centre, etc, etc :agree: :greengrin

[Mikey]

;3804063']You have to say that! :greengrin:

How many people have come out the woodwork as having a source in this thread? Where are these people with connections when there's nae rumours in the August/January transfer windows?

Use the Report Post function and point them out. It's not difficult.

They'll be Hibs fans though, even the ones who think it's funny to make up stories about Riordan becoming assistant manager.

[Hermit Crab]

Whatever happened to John Brownlie:greengrin



I was under the impression he only works for Butcher as a scout and is not employed by ICT? :dunno:

[The_Horde]

Use the Report Post function and point them out. It's not difficult.

They'll be Hibs fans though, even the ones who think it's funny to make up stories about Riordan becoming assistant manager.

Woah! I agree with you that they're probably hibbies. It's still utter yammery though. Leave the pish rumours for the poppy pinchers boys and girls.

[TRC]

Use the Report Post function and point them out. It's not difficult.

They'll be Hibs fans though, even the ones who think it's funny to make up stories about Riordan becoming assistant manager.

whats the criteria for the yam test is it like a witch hunt do you burn them see if they catch fire and if they die they're not a witch? back on thread can't see the deek rumour being true however if he did has he done his badges? I'd rather if he couldn't get Malpas he asked Ian Murray to be his no 2, I know he might not come being his own man at Dumbarton but is hibs no 2 not still a bigger job?

[Callum_62]

Id be shocked if it was Riordan as #2

But, if thats who Butcher wants, and Rod wants Butcher, then its shouldnt be stopped

I stil think Malpas will be here - his interviews are coy enough to suggest he is keen to follow Tel if asked

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Alan O' Brien coming in as crossing coach. All players to be wearing gloves in time for the St. Mirren game

[hibees 7062]

Hearing Craig Levein will be our new manager with Paul Hartley as his assistant:duck::greengrin

Where are they :greengrin

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt72/LeonAllen/Forum%20GIF/bth_gunfight.gif

[chrisski33]

Making sense now.

Only makes sense because it was on during a hibs match amd deeks played for hibs

[hibees 7062]

Strange that Alba did a piece at HT during the game yesterday about Riordan.

:I'm waiti Get it telt :greengrin

[Eyemouth Hibby]

:faf: Brilliant mate, made me laugh out loud on a Sunday night that. Good luck to Mr Butcher. If he can keep Gazza under control in Italia 90 having Deek as a no 2 will be a walk in the park. Watched the interview yesterday, I'd get him into train and have a look at him. Ironically the amount we pay in compo would probably have bought Griffiths and kept Fenlon in a job. Funny old game at times.
GoC in as fitness coach with Deeks assistant. Fact.

[WellingtonHibby]

You're the second person to say this now. I was told this at the game yesterday but just laughed it of as nonsense. Seems like there could be something in this. Interesting times ahead. :hmmm:


Ive got some magic beans for sale, if you're interested? :wink:

[silverhibee]

Ive got some magic beans for sale, if you're interested? :wink:

Do they come with a settee. :confused::greengrin

[portycabbage]

GoC in as fitness coach with Deeks assistant. Fact.

He was interviewed for a similar position at St Johnstone, but unfortunately he was asked to spell it and replied "J-O-S...:offski:"!

[SteveHFC]

Do they come with a settee. :confused::greengrin

:tee hee:

[silverhibee]

Why is the Butcher story not being leaked by any of the media if it's a done deal.


Hopefully Sportscene will fill us in when it comes on. :rolleyes::greengrin

[Hermit Crab]

Do they come with a settee. :confused::greengrin


:sofa:

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Fully expect all three at Hibs and Hibs hopefully will announce it.

Nothing changed from what I hear!

Hope you're right, but I have a feeling Malpas wont come:(

[Thecat23]

Hope you're right, but I have a feeling Malpas wont come:(

Unless MM has been offered the ICT job, that would be the only way he wouldn't come. I expect the deal which is in place all to be sign sealed and delivered this week.

[sleeping giant]

Paul ***** Harley . Shirley Ye jest. Psul ***** Hartley

[trev the hat]

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/terry-butcher-poised-to-seal-hibs-switch-1-3183184?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

[Hibeesmad]

Believe Butcher was in attendance with Deeks agent.

Butcher was in attendance with former Hibs player Jim McArthur who I believe is both Butcher's and Riordan's agent....a return for Riordan in the near future perhaps?

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Unless MM has been offered the ICT job, that would be the only way he wouldn't come. I expect the deal which is in place all to be sign sealed and delivered this week.

Looking at the ICT forum and according to them, the Sunday mail is saying that Malpas wants the ICT job. There is also a bit in the Record Sport saying "You wont take Mo with you!"

I really do hope we get MM and Marsella too, as they are meant to be good tactitions. Hope yer info is spot on pal, do keep us updated regaring this:aok:

[Viva_Palmeiras]

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/terry-butcher-poised-to-seal-hibs-switch-1-3183184?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

Good to see Rods got him working already - as the pic shows, Tel wasn't expecting the vacuum initiation though ;)

[WestEndHibee]

Look guys, don't shoot the messenger here, I didn't want to post but my conscience made me. I've just seen John Collins on the number 7 bus. Make of that what you will...







(Ok so it wasn't JC exactly but the guy had a great jawline so still a valid candidate) .

[Torto7062]

I presume their will be one, just wonder if they will
do it this morning.

[Steven_Hibs]

What for :greengrin

[nribs]

I presume their will be one, just wonder if they will
do it this morning. nah they had it last Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday :)

[pampdahoosmoose]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inverness-caley-thistle-plan-sabotage-2719370

[Wheat Hound]

I still reckon he'll be at ER even if he is offered the ICT job

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

A negotiation tactic

[Mikey]

The report seems to be suggesting that they'll offer him the job just to spite Butcher and Hibs. No mention of whether he's the best guy for them!

And as it's nearly 10am on Monday morning it's clear that things aren't as far along the road as we thought!

[cabbageandribs1875]

wouldn't surprise me if caley offer MM a much bigger salary than they offered TB.......just so they can p@ss TB off

[cabbageandribs1875]

The report seems to be suggesting that they'll offer him the job just to spite Butcher and Hibs. No mention of whether he's the best guy for them!

And as it's nearly 10am on Monday morning it's clear that things aren't as far along the road as we thought!



my thoughts exactly

[smurf]

I wouldn't trust a word that that rag writes.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I wouldn't trust a word that that rag writes.

Indeed, even spelt Butcher wrong!

[Hibbyradge]

Hearing Craig Levein will be our new manager with Paul Hartley as his assistant:duck::greengrin

I'd settle for that.

At least I wouldn't have an agonising decision to make every time a home game clashed with golf, shopping, gardening, sleeping or going to the library.

[andrew70]

The report seems to be suggesting that they'll offer him the job just to spite Butcher and Hibs. No mention of whether he's the best guy for them!

And as it's nearly 10am on Monday morning it's clear that things aren't as far along the road as we thought!

We may hold off on announcing it until after the 11.11 rememberance. To do so before then and create an act of fanfare might be seen as an act of disrespect?

[Geo_1875]

We may hold off on announcing it until after the 11.11 rememberance. To do so before then and create an act of fanfare might be seen as an act of disrespect?

By who?

Surely if we stopped our fanfare at 11 that would be even more respectful.

[Greenworld]

This is now getting boring i dont know how everyone else feels but for me if it is not the complete management team coming then we should call it off.

I dont think anything else would work IE Terry and New assistants.

:na na::na na::na na::na na: To ICT

[Hibs90]

Malpas is playing silly buggers.

[Speedway]

There's still time for my Paul Gascoigne/Shane McGowan dream ticket to happen then?

[spike220]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inverness-caley-thistle-plan-sabotage-2719370

I fully expect Rod to play a blinder here, sow the seeds of discontent with ITC and step in and steel them for a song. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to pull one over Rod when it comes to stretching the pound.

Rod is a legend!

GGTTH

[greenpaper55]

I fully expect Rod to play a blinder here, sow the seeds of discontent with ITC and step in and steel them for a song. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to pull one over Rod when it comes to stretching the pound.

Rod is a legend!

GGTTH
Rod is a leg end.

[Jay]

His turning up was a publicity stunt? Well that worked! Any photos of him arriving, leaving or sitting in the stand? Reads to me like nothing's coming out of ICT or Hibs so I'll just make up a short story.


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[Onion]

Malpas is playing silly buggers.

I've never really liked Malpas. Not sure what it is about him and wouldn't surprise me if he code not to come to ER.

[cabbageandribs1875]

His turning up was a publicity stunt? Well that worked! Any photos of him arriving, leaving or sitting in the stand? Reads to me like nothing's coming out of ICT or Hibs so I'll just make up a short story.


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see post #1969

[hibs4thecup1988]

His turning up was a publicity stunt? Well that worked! Any photos of him arriving, leaving or sitting in the stand? Reads to me like nothing's coming out of ICT or Hibs so I'll just make up a short story.


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He was definetly in the stand on Saturday

[Andy74]

His turning up was a publicity stunt? Well that worked! Any photos of him arriving, leaving or sitting in the stand? Reads to me like nothing's coming out of ICT or Hibs so I'll just make up a short story.


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Yes, a few.

[Speedway]

He was definetly in the stand on Saturday

The Snotsman has plenty o' pics of Butcher at ER on Saturday and BBC Alba kept panning the camera to where he was sitting with his wife, Pat.

[SaulGoodman]

Thread titles a bit misleading no?

[Scottie]

Getting repetitive strain injury hitting the refresh button waiting to see if Butcher has been confirmed yet

FFS get a f***ing move on :grr:

The longer it goes on the nearer Potter is getting to the Hibs hot seat :worried:

[Hibtastic]

The Snotsman has plenty o' pics of Butcher at ER on Saturday and BBC Alba kept panning the camera to where he was sitting with his wife, Pat.

I really hope is wife is actually called Pat!! :thumbsup:

[scott7_0(Prague)]

His turning up was a publicity stunt? Well that worked! Any photos of him arriving, leaving or sitting in the stand? Reads to me like nothing's coming out of ICT or Hibs so I'll just make up a short story.


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11297 11298

found these to convince you.

[Hibercelona]

Is there actually anything in the papers quoting Malpas?

Or are people just getting on their high horse over nothing? :confused:

[greenlex]

11297 11298

found these to convince you.Looks like weve got a new Janitor. :faf: Dashing Bob will be Mortified. :greengrin

[Geo_1875]

11297 11298

found these to convince you.

That was just a guy delivering furniture.

[scott7_0(Prague)]

I really hope is wife is actually called Pat!! :thumbsup:

Rita.

Both very nice people, they were a customer of mine many years ago when they had there small hotel in Bridge of Allen.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Kevin Gallagher again saying success will only come if Backpass follows Terry down the road.

I'm of the opinion he won't come, neither will Marsella. I think ICT may dig their heels in and wee Mo will fancy his chances with quite a good team.

I sincerely hope TC is correct but I'd agree the snagging point will be when/if ICT offer the job to Malpas and Shearer.

[SaulGoodman]

Is there actually anything in the papers quoting Malpas?

Or are people just getting on their high horse over nothing? :confused:

The latter :agree:

[Sumner]

11297 11298

found these to convince you.

Those photos remind me of the late great Eric Morecambe when he would shuffle off at the end of Morecambe & Wise shows.. Hope Terry isn't considering walking..
"Bring Me Sunshine" (on Leith) ?

[Mark79]

11297 11298

found these to convince you.

Keep thinking fork handles/four candles

[greenlex]

Keep thinking fork handles/four candles :top marks

[Jay]

Apologies, I hadn't seen or heard that. Looks like we've got Eric Morecambe (if indeed we got him)


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Keep thinking fork handles/four candles


or the two ronnies even

[Aldo]

<img src="http://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11297"/> <img src="http://www.hibs.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11298"/> found these to convince you.

Is it no the Fish Man ??

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

I'd settle for that.

At least I wouldn't have an agonising decision to make every time a home game clashed with golf, shopping, gardening, sleeping or going to the library.

I could watch that thingy on your page all day Mr radge, how very soothing :agree:

[Geo_1875]

Keep thinking fork handles/four candles

It's not funny if you have to explain it.

[HibbySpurs]

I dont know if it's just me but this whole episode has shown up how bad an anti Hibs agenda there is at play in the Scottish media....

First off they were all urging Butcher not to even consider Hibs and almost implying that ICT are a biger club....

Now that angle appears to have failed theres a movement to prevent MM from coming with him...

All over the press today are stories about how he's not coming and still how Butcher is making a mistake anyway...

No ones denying he's done a fantstic job at ICT and they are in fact currently a better footballing team than Hibs but the very negative spin being put on everything with regards to Hibs by the media is actually becoming just a tad tiresome....

Why wouldnt anyone want to chose Hibs over ICT? Own training ground, a stadium nearly 3X the size with an average gate 3x the size, even in our current **** state........

Hidden agendas anyone?????

[DaveF]

I dont know if it's just me but this whole episode has shown up how bad an anti Hibs agenda there is at play in the Scottish media....

First off they were all urging Butcher not to even consider Hibs and almost implying that ICT are a biger club....

Now that angle appears to have failed theres a movement to prevent MM from coming with him...

All over the press today are stories about how he's not coming and still how Butcher is making a mistake anyway...

No ones denying he's done a fantstic job at ICT and they are in fact currently a better footballing team than Hibs but the very negative spin being put on everything with regards to Hibs by the media is actually becoming just a tad tiresome....

Why wouldnt anyone want to chose Hibs over ICT? Own training ground, a stadium nearly 3X the size with an average gate 3x the size, even in our current **** state........

Hidden agendas anyone?????

No, not really.

Just a very easy target therefore an easy story.

[HibbySpurs]

No, not really.

Just a very easy target therefore an easy story.

Fair enough.... I guess an ICT side riding high is an good story for them and a Hibs side in the **** is an equally good story for them...

Just think the entire negative spin towards Hibs over this has been nothing short of shocking....

[Part/Time Supporter]

I dont know if it's just me but this whole episode has shown up how bad an anti Hibs agenda there is at play in the Scottish media....

Hidden agendas anyone?????

No, it's another example of how Hibs pisspoor PR skills have a damaging effect. If a club won't talk to the media, then they (particularly the lower end of the market) will just make stuff up. Same also applies to sites like this, if you look at some of the dafter rumours over the last few days.

[GreenPJ]

No, it's another example of how Hibs pisspoor PR skills have a damaging effect. If a club won't talk to the media, then they (particularly the lower end of the market) will just make stuff up. Same also applies to sites like this, if you look at some of the dafter rumours over the last few days.

What do you expect the club to say before a deal is finallised?

[lyonhibs]

This is starting to have the regrettable hints of leading to a not so happy ending for Hibs I fear.

Hope I'm wrong, but ICT dicking about with MM is not a good thing in terms of TB ending up in the "poisoned chalice" hotseat. IMO of course.

[The Sea-gull]

Would prefer it if Butcher comes with MM and Marsella as they seem to be a bit of a team but if it is not to be then it is not to be.

Maybe Butcher could work with Jimmy Nic who is an expereinced manager and number 2.

Suspect Butcher will want his own men and if they don't come then that could scupper the deal but not necessarily.

I can see why ICT want to keep Malpass for continuity but maybe they should talk to some Motherwell fans about his time there. They are maybe just thinking that as that was years ago he'll be a better manager now with experience.

[SMAXXA]

No, it's another example of how Hibs pisspoor PR skills have a damaging effect. If a club won't talk to the media, then they (particularly the lower end of the market) will just make stuff up. Same also applies to sites like this, if you look at some of the dafter rumours over the last few days.

Doest make it right though. If people want to make things up they will do, nowt much we can do about it.

[LancsHibs]

It's now dragged on for 1 week since news broke from the BBC that Butcher was the man:I'm waiti

[Part/Time Supporter]

What do you expect the club to say before a deal is finallised?

They don't have to say anything publicly. They can give a steer to the media as to what issues are involved, how long these will take and the likelihood of their being resolved.

[SMAXXA]

They don't have to say anything publicly. They can give a steer to the media as to what issues are involved, how long these will take and the likelihood of their being resolved.

And then the media will just make it up as they go along :wink:

[HibbySpurs]

This is starting to have the regrettable hints of leading to a not so happy ending for Hibs I fear.

Hope I'm wrong, but ICT dicking about with MM is not a good thing in terms of TB ending up in the "poisoned chalice" hotseat. IMO of course.

For me I think ICT are now trying to hold Hibs to ransom a bit.... In fact it's starting to look like increasingly sour grapes from the biggest club in the Highlands..... You know with their 7,500 stadium and 3,500 average gates....

It's a bit of a ****ing joke that we are being dicked around by a club of this size to be honest....

[Beefster]

It's a bit of a ****ing joke that we are being dicked around by a club of this size to be honest....

No, it's not. ICT have every right to look after their own interests. I'd expect Hibs to do the same if a bigger club came calling for our manager.

[SMAXXA]

For me I think ICT are now trying to hold Hibs to ransom a bit.... In fact it's starting to look like increasingly sour grapes from the biggest club in the Highlands..... You know with their 7,500 stadium and 3,500 average gates....

It's a bit of a ****ing joke that we are being dicked around by a club of this size to be honest....

Disagree, why would the size of the cub matter? Bit disrespectful comment imo

[My_Wife_Camille]

@ScottBurns75: Terry Butcher to move to Hibs within 24 hours. http://t.co/pfyvGEWxma

[Bukta#8]

Really had hoped that after a press conference today team Terry Bathtub would hit the ground running at east mains tomorrow ,it's not like he is inheriting a squad playin free flowing attacking football scoring goals from all over the park ,come on time is of the essence

[s.a.m]

No, it's not. ICT have every right to look after their own interests. I'd expect Hibs to do the same if a bigger club came calling for our manager.

I was about to say the same thing. If we had a manager we wanted to keep, there would be an uproar if Hibs didn't try to prevent him being head-hunted, or to get the best deal possible.

[Andy74]

For me I think ICT are now trying to hold Hibs to ransom a bit.... In fact it's starting to look like increasingly sour grapes from the biggest club in the Highlands..... You know with their 7,500 stadium and 3,500 average gates....

It's a bit of a ****ing joke that we are being dicked around by a club of this size to be honest....

I don't think so.

I think we've had to agree that with playing themn at the weekend that we would leave their team alone for the weekend.

Buthcher has agreed to come, I think that's very clear. We will only this morning I'd imagine have had a chance to begin ght etalking over the rest of the team.

If they do actually want Malpas to stay as their manager then that adds a bit of complexity.

I don't think we will announce just Butcher until we get an idea who is coming with him.

Don't blame Inverness at all for trying to protect whatever position they want to end up with.

[matty_f]

Really had hoped that after a press conference today team Terry Bathtub would hit the ground running at east mains tomorrow ,it's not like he is inheriting a squad playin free flowing attacking football scoring goals from all over the park ,come on time is of the essence

Terry Bathtub :faf:

[HibbySpurs]

I was about to say the same thing. If we had a manager we wanted to keep, there would be an uproar if Hibs didn't try to prevent him being head-hunted, or to get the best deal possible.

Yes but we past the "head-hunting" stage several days ago (apparently).... My point is that ICT now seem to be deliberately dragging their heels and throwing "spanners in the works" when in reality it serves them very little purpose.....

From what we gather Butcher has made it clear he wants the Hibs job but now after being told this ICT continue to fart around rather than getting on with it and then in their own turn finidng a suitable replacement for their departed manager....

I get that they didnt want him in charge of Hibs against them on Saturday and thats fair enough but them dragging this out now just seems to hurt both ICT and Hibs, so whats the point:confused:

[matty_f]

@ScottBurns75: Terry Butcher to move to Hibs within 24 hours. http://t.co/pfyvGEWxma

This is last Wednesday and I claim my five pounds

[Viva_Palmeiras]

11297 11298

found these to convince you.

Pete (Tam McCourt) and Dud (TB) ?

actually hope TB isn't a dud!

[SteveHFC]

11297 11298

found these to convince you.

Does anyone know where I can get this jacket ;-)

[Geo_1875]

Does anyone know where I can get this jacket ;-)

Hanging on a peg on the back of the store-room door.

[Moon unit]

I dont know if it's just me but this whole episode has shown up how bad an anti Hibs agenda there is at play in the Scottish media....

First off they were all urging Butcher not to even consider Hibs and almost implying that ICT are a biger club....

Now that angle appears to have failed theres a movement to prevent MM from coming with him...

All over the press today are stories about how he's not coming and still how Butcher is making a mistake anyway...

No ones denying he's done a fantstic job at ICT and they are in fact currently a better footballing team than Hibs but the very negative spin being put on everything with regards to Hibs by the media is actually becoming just a tad tiresome....

Why wouldnt anyone want to chose Hibs over ICT? Own training ground, a stadium nearly 3X the size with an average gate 3x the size, even in our current **** state........

Hidden agendas anyone?????

Noticed an article from Talksports Alan Brazil(not Benny),saying that Hibs are too small a club for Terry Butcher.This is from a classic Scot whose arse has been planted in England for 3 decades plus and wishes to spout on about Scottish football without any up to date knowledge! Oh...except droning on about Celik'!

[carnoustiehibee]

If Butcher is struggling for an assistant I'll take it, seeing how I'm currently 5points clear at the top of hibs.net fantasy football league. Yeehaa !!

[Hibbyradge]

I dont know if it's just me but this whole episode has shown up how bad an anti Hibs agenda there is at play in the Scottish media....

First off they were all urging Butcher not to even consider Hibs and almost implying that ICT are a biger club....

Now that angle appears to have failed theres a movement to prevent MM from coming with him...

All over the press today are stories about how he's not coming and still how Butcher is making a mistake anyway...

No ones denying he's done a fantstic job at ICT and they are in fact currently a better footballing team than Hibs but the very negative spin being put on everything with regards to Hibs by the media is actually becoming just a tad tiresome....

Why wouldnt anyone want to chose Hibs over ICT? Own training ground, a stadium nearly 3X the size with an average gate 3x the size, even in our current **** state........

Hidden agendas anyone?????

Have a wee trawl through this thread.

There are loads of folk saying the same sort of stuff.

[Moon unit]

Does anyone know where I can get this jacket ;-)

On the set of Casablanca!....would look better with a Trilby! :)

[SunshineOnLeith]

Anti-hibs agenda, lol.

[Libby Hibby]

All Butcher was missing was the glasses and fake tash!!! Funny, I know I keep saying it, but this saga (will he, won't he) stinks of media interference and its yet another negative thing to print about Hibs!!!

[pacorosssco]

Noticed an article from Talksports Alan Brazil(not Benny),saying that Hibs are too small a club for Terry Butcher.This is from a classic Scot whose arse has been planted in England for 3 decades plus and wishes to spout on about Scottish football without any up to date knowledge! Oh...except droning on about Celik'!

Horrible horrible man.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Anti-hibs agenda, lol.

My thoughts too, some major knicker twisting going on.

[Gustavo Fring]

Petrie has played a blinder right enough. He's been stitched up by caley big time, id rather he just told caley either accept the offer or we look elsewhere - simples. Plenty other managers out there that would bite his arm off for this job. F#ck caley thistle

[Bostonhibby]

Noticed an article from Talksports Alan Brazil(not Benny),saying that Hibs are too small a club for Terry Butcher.This is from a classic Scot whose arse has been planted in England for 3 decades plus and wishes to spout on about Scottish football without any up to date knowledge! Oh...except droning on about Celik'!

Alan Brazil has been on Talk Sport and not much else for a long time for a reason. They need someone with thick skin to make generally provocative remarks to boost ratings whether it makes them sound like an erky or not. Big in Ipswich apparently, on radio anyway.

[smurf]

No, it's another example of how Hibs pisspoor PR skills have a damaging effect. If a club won't talk to the media, then they (particularly the lower end of the market) will just make stuff up. Same also applies to sites like this, if you look at some of the dafter rumours over the last few days.

Agreed. Yet we have a PR guy who sits beside Rod Petrie at every game in the directors box. I've often wondered to what extent his role is. Our PR is shocking. We all know how it works in the real world or in the Hibs world it doesn't work.

[Hibbyradge]

Petrie has played a blinder right enough. He's been stitched up by caley big time, id rather he just told caley either accept the offer or we look elsewhere - simples. Plenty other managers out there that would bite his arm off for this job. F#ck caley thistle

Caley don't want to lose their manager and their coaches so they're playing hardball.

I'm sure they would appreciate it if you were negotiating on Hibs behalf.

The whole thing would have been over satisfactorily days ago. Well, for them anyway.

We'd still be looking for a manager.

[Geo_1875]

Petrie has played a blinder right enough. He's been stitched up by caley big time, id rather he just told caley either accept the offer or we look elsewhere - simples. Plenty other managers out there that would bite his arm off for this job. F#ck caley thistle

Rod hasn't been stitched up by anyone.

He is, as far as anyone knows, still in negotiations with Butcher. He is not yet in a position to offer anything to Malpas or the other fella. When he is, he will.

Meanwhile, ICT are playing to the press and supporters by telling all and sundry what Hibs can and can't do, and who ICT will offer the job to. They'll be in some position if Butcher says he's staying.

If everybody kept their gob shut until they had something to say it would go a lot smoother.

[Hibbyradge]

Agreed. Yet we have a PR guy who sits beside Rod Petrie at every game in the directors box. I've often wondered to what extent his role is. Our PR is shocking. We all know how it works in the real world or in the Hibs world it doesn't work.

There is nothing Hibs could say to the press which would help the situation.

[southsider]

Alan Brazil has been on Talk Sport and not much else for a long time for a reason. They need someone with thick skin to make generally provocative remarks to boost ratings whether it makes them sound like an erky or not. Big in Ipswich apparently, on radio anyway.

Big EVERYWHERE, his heid is like a beach-baw.

[blackpoolhibs]

Horrible horrible man.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306MpG3YSyE

[Treadstone]

Big EVERYWHERE, his heid is like a beach-baw.

Same colour as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306MpG3YSyE

[Golden Bear]

There is nothing Hibs could say to the press which would help the situation.

" Negotiations with ITC are ongoing" would give us an indication whether the deal(s) are still alive or dead in the water.

[Hibbyradge]

" Negotiations with ITC are ongoing" would give us an indication whether the deal(s) are still alive or dead in the water.

If the deal was dead, we'd be told.

[chrisski33]

The problem is too many folk have come on saying it will be announced tomorrow lunch time last week! Noone knows tbh! Thecat said it was a done deal but doesnt look that way at all

[smurf]

There is nothing Hibs could say to the press which would help the situation.

They don't do off the record briefings. They should.

[jacomo]

This is getting a little ridiculous. Our players are now discussing Terry Butcher in the media, Jimmy Nicholl and Maurice Malpas are both sharing their thoughts on what the move means for them, yet all we know officially is that ICT 'reluctantly' gave permission for Hibs to speak to TB.

[Jim44]

Same colour as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306MpG3YSyE

If media reports are to be believed the situation is becoming a wee bit convoluted and messy. It appears that Butcher will be coming to Hibs but the Malpas situation is very muddy. They are suggesting that ICT will offer Malpas the manager's job in an attempt to kibosh the Butcher move. I find this hard to believe as they could possibly end up with the wrong man in the job. Furthermore, Malpas might not take lightly to being used as a pawn and tell them to stuff it.
I can't help feeling that, if wheels had been put into motion more swiftly last week, the situation might have been better resolved from Hibs point of view.

[E10 Rifle]

They don't do off the record briefings. They should.

No such thing as off-the-record nowadays

[cabbageandribs1875]

Same colour as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306MpG3YSyE


i've never watched him on the tellybox, but.........what a total grade A ****** kn&*ber, polisman was far too nice to him as well, when someone asks why is the test not completing it's because you aint ****** blowing, he obviously thought he would get away with it if he just opens his daft gub...without blowing, the t*t

[smurf]

No such thing as off-the-record nowadays

I don't accept that sorry. It is possible to give off the record briefings to trusted journalists. To give a steer and direction of your travel. Unfortunately our club just do not get the benefits of good media relations. And indeed the purpose of the media to our benefit...

[chrisski33]

If media reports are to be believed the situation is becoming a wee bit convoluted and messy. It appears that Butcher will be coming to Hibs but the Malpas situation is very muddy. They are suggesting that ICT will offer Malpas the manager's job in an attempt to kibosh the Butcher move. I find this hard to believe as they could possibly end up with the wrong man in the job. Furthermore, Malpas might not take lightly to being used as a pawn and tell them to stuff it.
I can't help feeling that, if wheels had been put into motion more swiftly last week, the situation might have been better resolved from Hibs point of view.
Malpas might not want to come to hibs though

[silverhibee]

Didn't even merit a mention on STV news.

[SaulGoodman]

It's times like these where I realise I'm at much ITK as anyone else :wink:

[Hibbyradge]

It's times like these where I realise I'm at much ITK as anyone else :wink:

I'm not.

[E10 Rifle]

I don't accept that sorry. It is possible to give off the record briefings to trusted journalists. To give a steer and direction of your travel. Unfortunately our club just do not get the benefits of good media relations. And indeed the purpose of the media to our benefit...

The club media policy is not to comment until the deal is done and that is what they are sticking by. In terms of general direction of travel I think that was given from the off...we're after Butcher. Therefore in between setting the general direction of travel and concluding the deal (and thereby sticking to club policy) what do you say? A press release each day saying 'nothing's happened'. Hardly news is it.

[carnoustiehibee]

It's times like these where I realise I'm at much ITK as anyone else :wink:

Very true, this whole Butcher drama has got their post count up abit tho!

[smurf]

The club media policy is not to comment until the deal is done and that is what they are sticking by. In terms of general direction of travel I think that was given from the off...we're after Butcher. Therefore in between setting the general direction of travel and concluding the deal (and thereby sticking to club policy) what do you say? A press release each day saying 'nothing's happened'. Hardly news is it.

At no point did I suggest a press release yet alone one each day. With respect you are obviously not aware how other football clubs, business, public organisations and individuals of office use journalists as a conduit to communicate with the public.

[JimBHibees]

At no point did I suggest a press release yet alone one each day. With respect you are obviously not aware how other football clubs, business, public organisations and individuals of office use journalists as a conduit to communicate with the public.

Of course it is possible that they might have tried that route and the press arent playing ball. You do get the impression that the club are probably still miffed and dont really have a relationship of any kind with rags like the Record due to past issues thus that paper are then able to sensationalize in any way they feel.

[Geo_1875]

At no point did I suggest a press release yet alone one each day. With respect you are obviously not aware how other football clubs, business, public organisations and individuals of office use journalists as a conduit to communicate with the public.

But Hibs do use journalists to communicate with the public. They have press calls each week where the manager and selected players answer questions about the upcoming game.

What they don't do is use pet reporters to prime punters for good/bad news on a daily/hourly basis.

When there is something to report you can be sure it will be issued through official channels.

[jdships]

But Hibs do use journalists to communicate with the public. They have press calls each week where the manager and selected players answer questions about the upcoming game.

What they don't do is use pet reporters to prime punters for good/bad news on a daily/hourly basis.

When there is something to report you can be sure it will be issued through official channels.


That is exactly what STF told me many moons ago albeit in slightly different terms :flag:

[hibs4thecup1988]

What is everyone going to say when Ian Murray is presented to the press tomorrow morning? :confused::greengrin:wink:

[Kato]

What is everyone going to say when Ian Murray is presented to the press tomorrow morning? :confused::greengrin:wink:

"He's an MP" ?

[hibs4thecup1988]

"He's an MP" ?

:na na:

You KNOW exactly what I mean :wink:

[SteveHFC]

Some sort of announcement would be nice at some point today :greengrin

[The Green Goblin]

His turning up was a publicity stunt? Well that worked! Any photos of him arriving, leaving or sitting in the stand? Reads to me like nothing's coming out of ICT or Hibs so I'll just make up a short story.


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I posted a photo of him there in the matchday thread

[hibees 7062]

What is everyone going to say when Ian Murray is presented to the press tomorrow morning? :confused::greengrin:wink:



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[Robinho08]

Seems to me ICT are being as awkward as possible and dragging this out for aslong as possible.

[E10 Rifle]

At no point did I suggest a press release yet alone one each day. With respect you are obviously not aware how other football clubs, business, public organisations and individuals of office use journalists as a conduit to communicate with the public.

With respect, what have they done so badly and how would you have improved the situation?

[jacomo]

What is everyone going to say when Ian Murray is presented to the press tomorrow morning? :confused::greengrin:wink:


"He's an MP" ?


:na na:

You KNOW exactly what I mean :wink:

:singing: There's only one Ian Murray, one Ian Mur-ray, there's only one Ian Murray.

[S.sct]

Brilliant :-)

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[RoxburghHibs]

Ok just been told by a very good source that Butcher deal is 100% done. As is Malpas and the goalkeeper coach.

My source is not Hibs related but is linked to our new manager.

He did say Butcher knows we need new players.

[SteveHFC]

Ok just been told by a very good source that Butcher deal is 100% done. As is Malpas and the goalkeeper coach.

My source is not Hibs related but is linked to our new manager.

He did say Butcher knows we need new players.

Source? :greengrin

[GloryGlory]

:singing: There's only one Ian Murray, one Ian Mur-ray, there's only one Ian Murray.

:singing: "There's only two Ian Murrays, two Ian Murrays..." :greengrin

[GloryGlory]

Ok just been told by a very good source that Butcher deal is 100% done. As is Malpas and the goalkeeper coach.

My source is not Hibs related but is linked to our new manager.

He did say Butcher knows we need new players.

Not trying to be funny, but if something is "100%" done, why can't it be announced right away?

:confused:

[RoxburghHibs]

Source? :greengrin


Lets just say he works for Butcher. But it's a done deal guys!

[Wilson]

What is everyone going to say when Ian Murray is presented to the press tomorrow morning? :confused::greengrin:wink:

I know you're joking but I'll bite.

I have been impressed with the odd result in his time with Dumbarton. Particularly the unlikely win over Patrick early on in his tenure. One of the results that saved them from the drop - also a great feat.

He has some ability. His team are holding their own in a division they aren't expected to win.

However, Hibs would be too big a job too soon. I'd need to see more from his Dumbarton side to believe otherwise. Possibly there is a move to be made to a slightly bigger first division club where greater expectation would be placed upon him in the mean time.

Other than that he would be the cheap option, ex-player, sacrificial lamb. One for the future, destroyed in the present.

[Purehibee_MYB]

Lets just say he works for Butcher. But it's a done deal guys!

:thumbsup:Now have a word with Hibs and tell them to make it official!

[RoxburghHibs]

Not trying to be funny, but if something is "100%" done, why can't it be announced right away?

:confused:

Sorted as far as Butcher, Malpas and the goalkeeper coach are concerned. But if I'm wrong then I apologise. I'm just passing on info from someone I know who is close to the deal. I can't say names as I don't want to get them in bother.

[chrisski33]

Lets just say he works for Butcher. But it's a done deal guys!

We heard this last week. Were told butcher wud be revealed after the game on sat or today at lunchtime neither has happened.

[SteveHFC]

Lets just say he works for Butcher. But it's a done deal guys!

I believe your info more than TheCat23's info :greengrin :faf:

[SteveHFC]

:thumbsup:Now have a word with Hibs and tell them to make it official!

We might aswell get the flags ready :cb

[Purehibee_MYB]

We might aswell get the flags ready :cb

I told you Steve, they are all packed up and ready to go.. just need the flares on your end :aok:

[SteveHFC]

I told you Steve, they are all packed up and ready to go.. just need the flares on your end :aok:

Got the flares mate :cb :aok: