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Waxy
26-07-2013, 05:26 PM
For the last while i watched us warm up with that wee fast game the players play. Almost the whole team inside a small area doing short passes running around like headless chickens. Talk about wasting energy. No wonder we get papped. We are knackered before we start.use it to get the muscles ready, not to waste valuable energy.we need a body science expert at the club.

Brooster
26-07-2013, 05:29 PM
Malmo did the same. It didn't do them any harm.

Danderhall Hibs
26-07-2013, 05:31 PM
As well as a stretch the warm-up's supposed to get the lungs going.

Now, where's the thread about the colour of the warm-up tops not being the right shade?

Pretty Boy
26-07-2013, 05:36 PM
When I used to watch Barcelona regularly a quick short sharp possession game was the only warm up they did on the park.

They would come out abour 20 minutes before kick off, ping the ball about for a couple of minutes then go into a 5-10 minute passing game. In, changed then back out again.

Obviously they would have stretched and what not inside beforehand but not sure our warm ups are the problem.

Waxy
26-07-2013, 05:37 PM
A body specialist might be a decent idea. Get the players to eat the right stuff at the right times n all that. Get an image of James Mcpake passing round a 2ltr bottle of cola in the dressing room.or irn bru

ionahibby
26-07-2013, 05:45 PM
A body specialist might be a decent idea. Get the players to eat the right stuff at the right times n all that. Get an image of James Mcpake passing round a 2ltr bottle of cola in the dressing room.or irn bru

Didn't Collins try that which in turn caused Greggs profits to sky rocket!

Dunderhall
26-07-2013, 05:50 PM
A body specialist might be a decent idea. Get the players to eat the right stuff at the right times n all that. Get an image of James Mcpake passing round a 2ltr bottle of cola in the dressing room.or irn bru
Is that not Frank Nuttall's job already?

jacomo
26-07-2013, 05:52 PM
As well as a stretch the warm-up's supposed to get the lungs going.

Now, where's the thread about the colour of the warm-up tops not being the right shade?

It's not just the training tops that are the problem. We've lost our bottle.

Andy74
26-07-2013, 05:53 PM
For the last while i watched us warm up with that wee fast game the players play. Almost the whole team inside a small area doing short passes running around like headless chickens. Talk about wasting energy. No wonder we get papped. We are knackered before we start.use it to get the muscles ready, not to waste valuable energy.we need a body science expert at the club.

Wondered when the warm up would start to get the blame again!

Franck Stanton
26-07-2013, 05:55 PM
Christ, we have had almost every excuse/moan about why it went so terribly wrong last night, now we are moaning about the warm up. My god, the words "barrel, scraping and bottom" come to mind. Get a life ffs

Onion
26-07-2013, 05:57 PM
For the last while i watched us warm up with that wee fast game the players play. Almost the whole team inside a small area doing short passes running around like headless chickens. Talk about wasting energy. No wonder we get papped. We are knackered before we start.use it to get the muscles ready, not to waste valuable energy.we need a body science expert at the club.

Of course, that explains why we be invariably crap for 6 seasons - it has been our warm up routine :ostrich:

Waxy
26-07-2013, 06:27 PM
Of course, that explains why we be invariably crap for 6 seasons - it has been our warm up routine :ostrich:No It's because we buy Cack defenders.i'm saying that this warm up maybe ok for Barca,but for fish supper eating cola swigging,lager drinking hibs players it maybe not the best idea.

The_Exile
26-07-2013, 07:14 PM
Would be great to be able to try and persuade a world renowed fitness and conditioning expert to give some of his time to our cause, what an absolute priviledge that would be for any pro football player wanting to improve that side of there game and reach there full potential, someone like Roger Propos.........oh wait.......

eastterrace
26-07-2013, 07:28 PM
For the last while i watched us warm up with that wee fast game the players play. Almost the whole team inside a small area doing short passes running around like headless chickens. Talk about wasting energy. No wonder we get papped. We are knackered before we start.use it to get the muscles ready, not to waste valuable energy.we need a body science expert at the club.

i was early in the ground and was watching vine and few other players hitting shots at goal, there were more shots over the bar our past the post than hit the target, and that was the ball being lined up and nobody in front of them, just pure crap, football players bunch o wasters.

Baldy Foghorn
26-07-2013, 07:39 PM
i was early in the ground and was watching vine and few other players hitting shots at goal, there were more shots over the bar our past the post than hit the target, and that was the ball being lined up and nobody in front of them, just pure crap, football players bunch o wasters.

That's why we have so many latecomers, it's actually dangerous to be behind the goals during shooting practice:rolleyes:

MWHIBBIES
26-07-2013, 07:42 PM
Most teams I see at ER have a coach out with the players(subs) at HT putting them through their paces, always wondered why we didn't do that but instead had them just aimlessly kicking the ball to each other. Probably not a big deal, just curious.

Unseen work
26-07-2013, 08:00 PM
I play football at a reasonably good level and trust me if you think a light run and stretch before a game is what's needed your well wrong. They need the possession games to get their brain and feet working sharp hence the tight areas and alot of bodies, that intensity gets you switched on for the game your away to play and has a massive effect, if they never they would go into the game so flat footed and slow it would be unreal.

Also with the amount of coaches we have it's ridiculous the players are doing static stretching before a game, any coach/ Physio etc knows and should be going mental at a player doing them before a game, it should all be dynamic motions similar to what youl be making in a game, I beleive these static stretches are reasons for so many of our muscle Injuries we see at hibs

Largshibby
26-07-2013, 09:01 PM
Of course, that explains why we be invariably crap for 6 seasons - it has been our warm up routine :ostrich:

Don't know if our warm ups are any better or worse than other teams but for me our pre-season preparations and games took the description "pointless" to a whole new level. We start off with Dumbarton, probably a favour to Ian Murray, and finish with the might of Raith Rovers. Aggregate score an impressive 1 - 1. I thought these games were supposed to get tougher as they went on. In between we have the holiday camp of Gibralter (give me strength) and Portugal. I really wish Hibs wouldn't patronise me with statements about how hard the boys are working out there because its garbage. They are having a good time. Maybe its a reward for the previous seasons efforts after all we have a bit of extra cash from the cup final to waste. We've known since the Falkirk game that we would be playing in Europe. I could have come up with a better preparation schedule than the so-called professionals at the club who are supposed to know about these things. So whats the answer? How about this? Option 1. We play friendlies against teams that are already into their season. There's no shortage of them. Obviously we would get hammered (no change there) but we're always told "the result doesn't matter its about fitness and match sharpness". Whats the point of playing teams who are as unfit and crap as we are. If we can't get anyone then Option 2. Pick a couple of junior sides (Largs Thistle and Auchinleck Talbot would be my suggestions). They could play a half each against us to keep it high tempo. Would our guys get injured? Possibly. Some of the blokes that play for these teams look like they're on day release from Carstairs but that's the point. Our guys would be "encouraged" to demonstrate the skills and speed required to keep them out of trouble that we might reasonably expect from professional players. At the very least it would toughen them up a bit. Just one final point. At half time our guys were "warming up" with a kick about that was nothing more than a bit of a laugh (remember Gibralter) in front of thousands of supporters who were hurting, embarrassed and bitterly disappointed. God knows how serious they are about their work in the sanctuary of East Mains.

nonshinyfinish
26-07-2013, 09:03 PM
The warm-up. :faf:

Unseen work
26-07-2013, 09:05 PM
Don't know if our warm ups are any better or worse than other teams but for me our pre-season preparations and games took the description "pointless" to a whole new level. We start off with Dumbarton, probably a favour to Ian Murray, and finish with the might of Raith Rovers. Aggregate score an impressive 1 - 1. I thought these games were supposed to get tougher as they went on. In between we have the holiday camp of Gibralter (give me strength) and Portugal. I really wish Hibs wouldn't patronise me with statements about how hard the boys are working out there because its garbage. They are having a good time. Maybe its a reward for the previous seasons efforts after all we have a bit of extra cash from the cup final to waste. We've known since the Falkirk game that we would be playing in Europe. I could have come up with a better preparation schedule than the so-called professionals at the club who are supposed to know about these things. So whats the answer? How about this? Option 1. We play friendlies against teams that are already into their season. There's no shortage of them. Obviously we would get hammered (no change there) but we're always told "the result doesn't matter its about fitness and match sharpness". Whats the point of playing teams who are as unfit and crap as we are. If we can't get anyone then Option 2. Pick a couple of junior sides (Largs Thistle and Auchinleck Talbot would be my suggestions). They could play a half each against us to keep it high tempo. Would our guys get injured? Possibly. Some of the blokes that play for these teams look like they're on day release from Carstairs but that's the point. Our guys would be "encouraged" to demonstrate the skills and speed required to keep them out of trouble that we might reasonably expect from professional players. At the very least it would toughen them up a bit. Just one final point. At half time our guys were "warming up" with a kick about that was nothing more than a bit of a laugh (remember Gibralter) in front of thousands of supporters who were hurting, embarrassed and bitterly disappointed. God knows how serious they are about their work in the sanctuary of East Mains.

Getting a team to play us when their already in their season would b difficult imo

Waxy
26-07-2013, 09:16 PM
Perhaps every pre season from now we should do a small tour of Sweden?

KinchHibee
26-07-2013, 10:33 PM
Don't know if our warm ups are any better or worse than other teams but for me our pre-season preparations and games took the description "pointless" to a whole new level. We start off with Dumbarton, probably a favour to Ian Murray, and finish with the might of Raith Rovers. Aggregate score an impressive 1 - 1. I thought these games were supposed to get tougher as they went on. In between we have the holiday camp of Gibralter (give me strength) and Portugal. I really wish Hibs wouldn't patronise me with statements about how hard the boys are working out there because its garbage. They are having a good time. Maybe its a reward for the previous seasons efforts after all we have a bit of extra cash from the cup final to waste. We've known since the Falkirk game that we would be playing in Europe. I could have come up with a better preparation schedule than the so-called professionals at the club who are supposed to know about these things. So whats the answer? How about this? Option 1. We play friendlies against teams that are already into their season. There's no shortage of them. Obviously we would get hammered (no change there) but we're always told "the result doesn't matter its about fitness and match sharpness". Whats the point of playing teams who are as unfit and crap as we are. If we can't get anyone then Option 2. Pick a couple of junior sides (Largs Thistle and Auchinleck Talbot would be my suggestions). They could play a half each against us to keep it high tempo. Would our guys get injured? Possibly. Some of the blokes that play for these teams look like they're on day release from Carstairs but that's the point. Our guys would be "encouraged" to demonstrate the skills and speed required to keep them out of trouble that we might reasonably expect from professional players. At the very least it would toughen them up a bit. Just one final point. At half time our guys were "warming up" with a kick about that was nothing more than a bit of a laugh (remember Gibralter) in front of thousands of supporters who were hurting, embarrassed and bitterly disappointed. God knows how serious they are about their work in the sanctuary of East Mains.

Was very much the other way about. Murray and Dumbarton agreeing to a friendly to help us prepare for the Euro tie.

Hibeescott
27-07-2013, 10:15 AM
For the last while i watched us warm up with that wee fast game the players play. Almost the whole team inside a small area doing short passes running around like headless chickens. Talk about wasting energy. No wonder we get papped. We are knackered before we start.use it to get the muscles ready, not to waste valuable energy.we need a body science expert at the club.

Complete nonsense! The possession games are designed to get the players able to receive the ball and pass to a team mate under pressure, its a great thing to practice before a game. As has been posted already, Malmo did exactly the same in their warm up, as will just about every professional team! The difference is that Malmo, and other clubs, then have the ability and confidence to replicate exactly what they do in this warm up, in the game. We, as with most Scottish players/teams, go into a game and revert back to the 'punt it' idea that children in this country are used to doing for an early age as soon as they are put under any kind of pressure. If children were coached in these types of drills to improve their control and decision making under pressure from an early age then we might actually see Scottish football improve!

BarneyK
27-07-2013, 10:31 AM
Complete nonsense! The possession games are designed to get the players able to receive the ball and pass to a team mate under pressure, its a great thing to practice before a game. As has been posted already, Malmo did exactly the same in their warm up, as will just about every professional team! The difference is that Malmo, and other clubs, then have the ability and confidence to replicate exactly what they do in this warm up, in the game. We, as with most Scottish players/teams, go into a game and revert back to the 'punt it' idea that children in this country are used to doing for an early age as soon as they are put under any kind of pressure. If children were coached in these types of drills to improve their control and decision making under pressure from an early age then we might actually see Scottish football improve!

:agree: :top marks

jdships
27-07-2013, 10:47 AM
For the last while i watched us warm up with that wee fast game the players play. Almost the whole team inside a small area doing short passes running around like headless chickens. Talk about wasting energy. No wonder we get papped. We are knackered before we start.use it to get the muscles ready, not to waste valuable energy.we need a body science expert at the club.


"body science expert "
It's not theroists we want it is simply application by the Manager and Players .
For what its worth this type of warm up is the one most used on the Continent and pesronall see nothing wrong with it
:rolleyes:

number 27
27-07-2013, 10:58 AM
Complete nonsense! The possession games are designed to get the players able to receive the ball and pass to a team mate under pressure, its a great thing to practice before a game. As has been posted already, Malmo did exactly the same in their warm up, as will just about every professional team! The difference is that Malmo, and other clubs, then have the ability and confidence to replicate exactly what they do in this warm up, in the game. We, as with most Scottish players/teams, go into a game and revert back to the 'punt it' idea that children in this country are used to doing for an early age as soon as they are put under any kind of pressure. If children were coached in these types of drills to improve their control and decision making under pressure from an early age then we might actually see Scottish football improve!

To be fair I don't think that is a fair reflection of how kids are being coached now. The idea that children are being taught to "punt it" is a bit of an outdated one from what I have seen.

Largshibby
27-07-2013, 11:14 AM
Was very much the other way about. Murray and Dumbarton agreeing to a friendly to help us prepare for the Euro tie.

If Murray hadn't been there we wouldn't have gone anywhere near Dumbarton. In terms of preparation for a Euro tie this is about as much use as a jog up Arthur's seat.

Largshibby
27-07-2013, 11:17 AM
Perhaps every pre season from now we should do a small tour of Sweden?

There's no need to go that far and I wouldn't give the players the benefit of another expensive holiday camp. A couple of games in Perth would do. They seem to have if sussed.

Hibercelona
27-07-2013, 03:26 PM
The difference in our warm up methods compared to any opposition we come across is staggering.

And if you've never noticed, pay attention to the warm ups before the game next time. We look nothing short of lazy. The "warm up" attempts consist of nothing more than players attempting to make 2 yard passes to one another. Compare that to what the opposition are doing.

I noticed this right away before the game the other night and new we were in for a hammering before the whistle had even been blown.

silverhibee
27-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Are they still getting pizza after the games. :greengrin

Hibercelona
27-07-2013, 03:46 PM
Are they still getting pizza after the games. :greengrin

They're turning more and more into a pizza. They're getting sliced apart just as easily.

Keith_M
27-07-2013, 04:05 PM
I'm not so sure, I think it's the colour of the socks that the main problem.

We should be passing to feet but when the players look at pitch level, all they see is green. IMHO, we need the correct colour of socks that stand out so there's no problem working out which is our player.

I'd recommend luminous pink.

Jonnyboy
27-07-2013, 04:07 PM
It's not the warm up that's the problem. It's the players walking out of the tunnel at a snails pace. They simply carry that on into their play.

Famous Five, Tornadoes etc ran out of the tunnel at the start of games

I rest my case :wink:

Dunderhall
27-07-2013, 04:47 PM
We need to get our huddle sorted.

Our boys were all over the place, too much space and they didn't seem to know what to do.
I didn't see anyone being the leader, others going through the motions.
Compare it to theirs, tight format, coordinated, everyone had a place, decent communication and well executed.

Set the tone if you ask me.
warm up out, huddle in.