Salmond at Wimbledon

[Glory Lurker]

I'm not bothered by what he did yesterday. That might be because I'm a nat. However, even then, I am not clear on why he might have caused offence in certain quarters by holding up the saltire. Objection seems to be ranging from it being undignified (are we that easily offended?), to being a breach of Wimbledon rules (oh, come on!), to being a political stunt (what political point exactly is he making?). As you'll tell, I'm not persuaded by any of these. Is it just a case of folk who don't like Salmond taking the opportunity to bash him without there being any great problem in what he did? Or is that just me with my nat-specs on? Fire away!

[Jonnyboy]

I'm not bothered by what he did yesterday. That might be because I'm a nat. However, even then, I am not clear on why he might have caused offence in certain quarters by holding up the saltire. Objection seems to be ranging from it being undignified (are we that easily offended?), to being a breach of Wimbledon rules (oh, come on!), to being a political stunt (what political point exactly is he making?). As you'll tell, I'm not persuaded by any of these. Is it just a case of folk who don't like Salmond taking the opportunity to bash him without there being any great problem in what he did? Or is that just me with my nat-specs on? Fire away!

I suspect 'Call me Dave' was miffed at Eck's actions and had a word with the Wimbledon officials. They then said waving a flag in such close proximity to the court was a breach of their rules. The fact that loads of folk were much closer and waving all sorts of things AND the fact that the match was finished didn't seem to influence their statement at all :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm not bothered by what he did yesterday. That might be because I'm a nat. However, even then, I am not clear on why he might have caused offence in certain quarters by holding up the saltire. Objection seems to be ranging from it being undignified (are we that easily offended?), to being a breach of Wimbledon rules (oh, come on!), to being a political stunt (what political point exactly is he making?). As you'll tell, I'm not persuaded by any of these. Is it just a case of folk who don't like Salmond taking the opportunity to bash him without there being any great problem in what he did? Or is that just me with my nat-specs on? Fire away!

It's not PC to be a Nat. Saltire waving is tantamount to bigotry dontcha know.

[heretoday]

I dunno. Politicians waving flags is suspect at any time I reckon.

[marinello59]

I thought it was pretty funny seeing a politician behave like an undignified ass. And fair dos to Eck, my money would have been on Cameron to win the smuggest looking man in Centre Court award but he managed to steal it at the end. Lets face it both of them were there to try and bask in the reflected glory of sporting success. Surely nobody is fooled by that?
The faux outrage from both sides has been depressing. Was anybody actually offended? Hopefully no matter which way Scotland votes next year the humourless *******s on both sides are silenced. If Salmond had painted his face blue and rampaged through SW19 waving a broadsword and screaming 'Freedom' then I can see why he would be worth talking about. Actually that might have been a vote winner. All any of them really deserve though is the mickey ripped out of them.

[Scouse Hibee]

A tough crowd to please you Scots, there's always something that seems to get your goat................................relax take a chill pill and celebrate one of the greatest sporting achievements in your lifetime.

[Jonnyboy]

I thought it was pretty funny seeing a politician behave like an undignified ass. And fair dos to Eck, my money would have been on Cameron to win the smuggest looking man in Centre Court award but he managed to steal it at the end. Lets face it both of them were there to try and bask in the reflected glory of sporting success. Surely nobody is fooled by that?
The faux outrage from both sides has been depressing. Was anybody actually offended? Hopefully no matter which way Scotland votes next year the humourless *******s on both sides are silenced. If Salmond had painted his face blue and rampaged through SW19 waving a broadsword and screaming 'Freedom' then I can see why he would be worth talking about. Actually that might have been a vote winner. All any of them really deserve though is the mickey ripped out of them.

I might actually pay to see that :greengrin

[Corstorphine Hibby]

I'm not bothered by what he did yesterday. That might be because I'm a nat. However, even then, I am not clear on why he might have caused offence in certain quarters by holding up the saltire. Objection seems to be ranging from it being undignified (are we that easily offended?), to being a breach of Wimbledon rules (oh, come on!), to being a political stunt (what political point exactly is he making?). As you'll tell, I'm not persuaded by any of these. Is it just a case of folk who don't like Salmond taking the opportunity to bash him without there being any great problem in what he did? Or is that just me with my nat-specs on? Fire away!

I found it ironic that the fat oaf was waving the saltire given his football teams fondness for waving the union flag.

[Matty_Jack04]

On one hand I think he has shown himself up for a classless yam tube, but then I don't doubt for a second that DC would play the 'Scotsman achieving great things as part of Great Britain' card just as swiftly, the sad thing is that neither could just watch the game enjoy the victory and trot of home via the boozer like everyone else instead of trying desperately to latch on to the coat tails for some kind of political advantage

[LioNeilMessi]

I found it ironic that the fat oaf was waving the saltire given his football teams fondness for waving the union flag.

Hmm well that's certainly one way to look at it. The Scottish National Party leader waving the Scottish flag makes more sense than him proudly sporting a Union Jack :greengrin

[LeighLoyal]

Salmo looked quite at home sat amongst the London elite. A wee discreet and slightly rebellious saltire to show he's still a man of the people of course.

[Just_Jimmy]

I'm not pro independance nor anti. I voted SNP in the last Scottish elections and whilst I don't really like Salmond I think he is generally a good politician.

However, the politicisation of Murrays win yesterday, which, lets face it, was what Salmond was trying to achieve was crass. He should have kept the flag under wraps and simply released a statement in behalf of the scottish government congratulating Murray on his achievement today.

I'd like to think it was simply a Scotmans who loves his country who was rightly proud of his fellow scot and got carried away. I suspect we all know it was more than that.

That moment belonged to Andy Murray and to the many die hard tennis fans who have backed him from day one. Salmond tried to get in on that for his own gains.

Crass and unwelcome.

[brian6-2]

i actually found it really surprising considering he's a jambo. they normally wave the union jack do they not?

[Beefster]

Given his media-whoring in the last week, I'm just surprised that the fat tit didn't take the opportunity to show off his Hearts season tickets whilst his missus did the 1-5. They would have pished their frillies on Sickbag at that one.

[heretoday]

Given his media-whoring in the last week, I'm just surprised that the fat tit didn't take the opportunity to show off his Hearts season tickets whilst his missus did the 1-5. They would have pished their frillies on Sickbag at that one.

Then Andy would have had to take a slight detour into the posh seats to sort him out! Imagine Salmond scrambling undignifiedly up the steps to get away......


Actually, that's just daft.

[yeezus.]

I'm not bothered by what he did yesterday. That might be because I'm a nat. However, even then, I am not clear on why he might have caused offence in certain quarters by holding up the saltire. Objection seems to be ranging from it being undignified (are we that easily offended?), to being a breach of Wimbledon rules (oh, come on!), to being a political stunt (what political point exactly is he making?). As you'll tell, I'm not persuaded by any of these. Is it just a case of folk who don't like Salmond taking the opportunity to bash him without there being any great problem in what he did? Or is that just me with my nat-specs on? Fire away!

I think you are spot on, as far as I can see no harm was caused and waving the Scottish flag when a Scot wins Wimbledon isn't making a political point.

[marinello59]

I think you are spot on, as far as I can see no harm was caused and waving the Scottish flag when a Scot wins Wimbledon isn't making a political point.
Exactly.
Cameron should have turned up wearing a Rule Brittania tee shirt and Union Jack shorts. Anybody that thinks those two were hoping some of the Murray magic would rub of on their political careers is mental. They are both massive tennis fans.

[Northernhibee]

Exactly.
Cameron should have turned up wearing a Rule Brittania tee shirt and Union Jack shorts. Anybody that thinks those two were hoping some of the Murray magic would rub of on their political careers is mental. They are both massive tennis fans.

I don't believe for a second that one second goes past Fat Eck where he's not scrabbling about for publicity.

[.Sean.]

Salmond is a cringeworthy fat Jambo embarrassment and he can stick his nonsense independence notion up his arse.

[Northernhibee]

Salmond is a cringeworthy fat Jambo embarrassment and he can stick his nonsense independence notion up his arse.

He's also absolutely clueless. His campaign so far has shown him up for pushing back of a fag packet calculations, shown him to be a liar. He gave the vote to 16 and 17 year olds who have promptly realised that Salmond has no ****ing clue what he's talking about and a recent poll showed the majority will be voting no.

It's no coincidence that the date of the referendum is right after the Commonwealth games and for one time only I hope we have a disasterously poor performance at the games just to see his face drop when he realises his grand plan to become President of Scotland collapses in front of him.

If he had half a brain he'd be a dangerous man.

[green glory]

10493

What's good for the goose etc.

Independence isn't about Alex Salmond. If you've seen the news today you'll be aware Westminster is privatising the Royal Mail. The NHS is also at risk from privatisation.

According to the UK government's own figures Scotland has contributed £222 billion more to the exchequer than it's received back.

We have some of the worst child poverty in the developed world. The poor and the disabled are suffering under the bedroom tax. The disabled employees at Remploy last week found out they're all losing their jobs, and will then have to deal with the new benefits regime including the bedroom tax.

But we're better together.

[Future17]

What political point is made by waving a soltiare when a Scottish person is playing sport?

[green glory]

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2013/jul/cable-should-apologise-royal-mail-scaremongering

[marinello59]

What political point is made by waving a soltiare when a Scottish person is playing sport?

Ask Green Glory. Salmond's non-political act has inspired him to tell us just how ***** this country is. I'm emigrating now.:greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

10493

What's good for the goose etc.

Independence isn't about Alex Salmond. If you've seen the news today you'll be aware Westminster is privatising the Royal Mail. The NHS is also at risk from privatisation.

According to the UK government's own figures Scotland has contributed £222 billion more to the exchequer than it's received back.

We have some of the worst child poverty in the developed world. The poor and the disabled are suffering under the bedroom tax. The disabled employees at Remploy last week found out they're all losing their jobs, and will then have to deal with the new benefits regime including the bedroom tax.

But we're better together.

I thought health was a devolved matter. Can Westminster privatise the Scottish NHS.

[marinello59]

I thought health was a devolved matter. Can Westminster privatise the Scottish NHS.

No.

[Phil D. Rolls]

No.

What affect will Salmond looking silly at Wimbledon have on this?

[Bad Martini]

Murray wins, he's British and classed as so by every ****er who wants some press.
Murray loses and he's Scottish and thats that.

Facts. Murray won. Cameron is a cantankerous little thatcherite weasel. Fact. Salmond is a pugnacious little yam. Fact Salmond will also do anything for independence. Fact. Many of us who voted for the snp do so for a chance at independence and indeed, will have a say next year and the voting for independence doesn't mean Salmond and snp thereafter, if a yes is carried.

Fact. No sane person ever fought hard to remained married to someone who leached of them and brought them down, particularly when offered a free divorce rapido. Ask Ask and ask again why call me Dave really wants the Scots in the UK?

And fact, it is possible for Murray to win, Salmond and Cameron to both be ***** and everyone to agree on this :beer:

No more 'facts'.

ENDOF? FACT :D

[Scouse Hibee]

Murray wins, he's British and classed as so by every ****er who wants some press.
Murray loses and he's Scottish and thats that.

Facts. Murray won. Cameron is a cantankerous little thatcherite weasel. Fact. Salmond is a pugnacious little yam. Fact Salmond will also do anything for independence. Fact. Many of us who voted for the snp do so for a chance at independence and indeed, will have a say next year and the voting for independence doesn't mean Salmond and snp thereafter, if a yes is carried.

Fact. No sane person ever fought hard to remained married to someone who leached of them and brought them down, particularly when offered a free divorce rapido. Ask Ask and ask again why call me Dave really wants the Scots in the UK?

And fact, it is possible for Murray to win, Salmond and Cameron to both be ***** and everyone to agree on this :beer:

No more 'facts'.

ENDOF? FACT :D

:tsk tsk: Your posts are normally good too!

[marinello59]

:tsk tsk: Your posts are normally good too!

No, he's right. On the internet repeating the same MYTH over and over and over and over again eventually converts it in to FACT. :greengrin

[Scouse Hibee]

No, he's right. On the internet repeating the same MYTH over and over and over and over again eventually converts it in to FACT. :greengrin


:agree: My mistake, I completely forget about the bull****- rumour- myth -internet FACT rule :greengrin

[Bad Martini]

Your posts are good!

FACT :D

see just what the Internet can do to reality :beer:

:D

[Bad Martini]

On the internet repeating over and over and over and over again eventually converts it in to FACT. :greengrin


Agrees. Fact :D

[marinello59]

Agrees. Fact :D

END OF. :greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

Murray wins, he's British and classed as so by every ****er who wants some press.
Murray loses and he's Scottish and thats that.


I actually did some research on that last year.

Right up to the final, Murray was being referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

After he lost, he was referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

I posted as much, with links to media outlets such as The Mail, the Telegraph and the BBC which showed that. I may also have posted similar on here.

This year, on his way to the final, when even more people thought he would win, the BBC mentioed his Scottishness more often than his Britishness.

It's myth which people use to fuel their downtrodden victim complexes.

[Scouse Hibee]

I actually did some research on that last year.

Right up to the final, Murray was being referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

After he lost, he was referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

I posted as much, with links to media outlets such as The Mail, the Telegraph and the BBC which showed that. I may also have posted similar on here.

This year, on his way to the final, when even more people thought he would win, the BBC mentioed his Scottishness more often than his Britishness.

It's myth which people use to fuel their downtrodden victim complexes.

:top marks

[Future17]

I actually did some research on that last year.

Right up to the final, Murray was being referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

After he lost, he was referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

I posted as much, with links to media outlets such as The Mail, the Telegraph and the BBC which showed that. I may also have posted similar on here.

This year, on his way to the final, when even more people thought he would win, the BBC mentioed his Scottishness more often than his Britishness.

It's myth which people use to fuel their downtrodden victim complexes.

I agree but to be fair, as with most myths, it has its basis in reality as this did used to be the case. I can't remember this ever happening with Murray but it certainly happened with other Scottish athletes who could also be considered to be representing Great Britain.

I think what has probably happened is that it was noticed and survived as a sort of "in-joke" for a while before finally being scrapped altogether.

It's similar to the perception that English journos and media pundits continually big-up their national football team. That is definitely no longer the case and, if anything, they are becoming increasingly negative. Whether that is the result of over-compensation or just years without success I'm not sure.

[RyeSloan]

10493

What's good for the goose etc.

Independence isn't about Alex Salmond. If you've seen the news today you'll be aware Westminster is privatising the Royal Mail. The NHS is also at risk from privatisation.

According to the UK government's own figures Scotland has contributed £222 billion more to the exchequer than it's received back.

We have some of the worst child poverty in the developed world. The poor and the disabled are suffering under the bedroom tax. The disabled employees at Remploy last week found out they're all losing their jobs, and will then have to deal with the new benefits regime including the bedroom tax.

But we're better together.

Ahh the Royal Mail...the perfect example of a nationalised industry...it's been so efficient that the governemnt has had to take on it's £37bn pension fund liability and £9bn projected shortfall just to make the business in any way viable. Strange the CWU had no problems with that part of the arrangement.....

As for child poverty...not denying there is an issue but it's worth remembering that these stats are based on relative poverty. For Scotland that means children living in a 2 parent 2 child household where the income is less than about £1500 pm or below 60% of average income.

As for Remploy...the closure programme was started under Labour who wanted to close half the factories and proceeded to close about 25% of them in 2008...the concept of government subsidy of 'sheltered' disabled employment has been losing ground for a long time even amongst disabled groups. Blind craft was another example where the size of the subsidy simply couldn't be justified no matter how beneficial it was to those that were employed by it. Not saying the government will support those that lose their jobs correctly or that Access to Work will do what it needs to but that also doesn't mean the state should just carry on regardless no matter the cost.

Finally the bedroom tax....well it's not a tax. FACT. ;-)

[Bad Martini]

I actually did some research on that last year.

Right up to the final, Murray was being referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

After he lost, he was referred to as Britain's number one" and "The Scot" in equal measure.

I posted as much, with links to media outlets such as The Mail, the Telegraph and the BBC which showed that. I may also have posted similar on here.

This year, on his way to the final, when even more people thought he would win, the BBC mentioed his Scottishness more often than his Britishness.

It's myth which people use to fuel their downtrodden victim complexes.

:what:

Ok then. I'll just amble off with my alleged downtrodden victim complex then and I thank you for sharing your tried and tested research practices; with your media sampling covering the entire industry (beeb, mail and telegraph) and indeed covering all corners of society and demographics, I feel very stupid now.
And you accused me of presenting facts and confusing myths.... Assumedly facts, research and myths are all controlled centrally by your good self??

If you can just let us know what we can comment on and what is off limits due to your research, we can then work on our downtrodden victim complexes on a more full time basis :rolleyes:

[Scouse Hibee]

:what:

Ok then. I'll just amble off with my alleged downtrodden victim complex then and I thank you for sharing your tried and tested research practices; with your media sampling covering the entire industry (beeb, mail and telegraph) and indeed covering all corners of society and demographics, I feel very stupid now.
And you accused me of presenting facts and confusing myths.... Assumedly facts, research and myths are all controlled centrally by your good self??

If you can just let us know what we can comment on and what is off limits due to your research, we can then work on our downtrodden victim complexes on a more full time basis :rolleyes:

Calm down, calm down :greengrin

[easty]

:what:

Ok then. I'll just amble off with my alleged downtrodden victim complex then and I thank you for sharing your tried and tested research practices; with your media sampling covering the entire industry (beeb, mail and telegraph) and indeed covering all corners of society and demographics, I feel very stupid now.
And you accused me of presenting facts and confusing myths.... Assumedly facts, research and myths are all controlled centrally by your good self??

If you can just let us know what we can comment on and what is off limits due to your research, we can then work on our downtrodden victim complexes on a more full time basis :rolleyes:

Oh dear, a wee but touchy there BM! Remember to change your tampax, if you leave it in too long you get toxic shock syndrome (I would insert smiley here, but can't on my phone)

[Bad Martini]

Oh dear, a wee but touchy there BM! Remember to change your tampax, if you leave it in too long you get toxic shock syndrome (I would insert smiley here, but can't on my phone)

In this life everyone has two things.... An opinion and an erse. Unfortunately you have demonstrated the ability to use both in one go (would insert a smiley here but I canny be arsed)

[Beefster]

In this life everyone has two things.... An opinion and an erse. Unfortunately you have demonstrated the ability to use both in one go (would insert a smiley here but I canny be arsed)

Not everyone has an arse. I know a guy who had his removed.

[RyeSloan]

Not everyone has an arse. I know a guy who had his removed.

Did it leave a big hole? :-)

[Future17]

Oh dear, a wee but touchy there BM! Remember to change your tampax, if you leave it in too long you get toxic shock syndrome (I would insert smiley here, but can't on my phone)

I doubt "inserting easty's smiley" is the recommended treatment for toxic shock syndrome. :greengrin