Abu Qatada deported

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Enjoy your time in Jordan! (No, not her!)

[Scouse Hibee]

About ****** time, has made a mockery of this country for far too long, if ever anyone merited a black op assassination by our own security services it was this ******.

[Glory Lurker]

I still can't hear his name without thinking of this:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=marc_v4FaT8

[steakbake]

About ****** time, has made a mockery of this country for far too long, if ever anyone merited a black op assassination by our own security services it was this ******.

I wouldn't like to live in a country where people are killed in secret by security services in an extra-judicial way.

No doubt it happens in some way. The idea that a civilized state should just murder people it considers a threat or not conducive to the public good is the kind of carry on you'd expect from the countries we forcibly try to import democracy to. Or indeed places like Putin's Russia where we turn a blind eye to it because they couldn't care less what the UK thinks anyway.

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I wouldn't like to live in a country where people are killed in secret by security services in an extra-judicial way.

No doubt it happens in some way. The idea that a civilized state should just murder people it considers a threat or not conducive to the public good is the kind of carry on you'd expect from the countries we forcibly try to import democracy to. Or indeed places like Putin's Russia where we turn a blind eye to it because they couldn't care less what the UK thinks anyway.




What makes you think you don't already?

It's very easy to become melodramatic and super-conspiratorial about subjects like this, but I would imagine that very few (if any) regimes in this world survive without the occasional judicial murder or two.

"It is better that one man should die than that the whole people perish ..." - the problem is, who decides who deserves to die? And if the answer to THAT question isn't open to public scrutiny - if we tolerate "black ops" and quiet assassination as legitimate instruments of state, we're none of us safe.

[(((Fergus)))]

What makes you think you don't already?

It's very easy to become melodramatic and super-conspiratorial about subjects like this, but I would imagine that very few (if any) regimes in this world survive without the occasional judicial murder or two.

"It is better that one man should die than that the whole people perish ..." - the problem is, who decides who deserves to die? And if the answer to THAT question isn't open to public scrutiny - if we tolerate "black ops" and quiet assassination as legitimate instruments of state, we're none of us safe.

You think we'd be safer if the public were involved in the targeting process? Not only would there be no more paedophiles in this country, there would be no more paediatricians. :greengrin

[hibby rae]

What makes you think you don't already?

It's very easy to become melodramatic and super-conspiratorial about subjects like this, but I would imagine that very few (if any) regimes in this world survive without the occasional judicial murder or two.

"It is better that one man should die than that the whole people perish ..." - the problem is, who decides who deserves to die? And if the answer to THAT question isn't open to public scrutiny - if we tolerate "black ops" and quiet assassination as legitimate instruments of state, we're none of us safe.

An example may be the murder of Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane in 1989. The Stevens inquiry ruled that the security forces had colluded in his assassination.

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You think we'd be safer if the public were involved in the targeting process? Not only would there be no more paedophiles in this country, there would be no more paediatricians. :greengrin


Pay attention, please.

I'm not suggesting we have regular votes on who gets it in the neck this week. I'm saying that the government, security services, police, judiciary, armed forces should be answerable to the people through parliament and the democratic process. I'm totally against "targeting" anyone - justify the unlawful killing of someone whom YOU think deserves to die, and you can justify the killing of anyone.

As Francis Bacon said, "Revenge is a kind of wild justice; which the more man's nature runs to, the more ought law to weed it out. For as for the first wrong, it doth but offend the law; but the revenge of that wrong, putteth the law out of office."

Our safety as individuals within society depends on the law. throw out law and justice not merely administered but seen openly to be administered as fairly as possible, and society crumbles and no one is safe.

[Hibrandenburg]

Pay attention, please.

I'm not suggesting we have regular votes on who gets it in the neck this week. I'm saying that the government, security services, police, judiciary, armed forces should be answerable to the people through parliament and the democratic process. I'm totally against "targeting" anyone - justify the unlawful killing of someone whom YOU think deserves to die, and you can justify the killing of anyone.

As Francis Bacon said, "Revenge is a kind of wild justice; which the more man's nature runs to, the more ought law to weed it out. For as for the first wrong, it doth but offend the law; but the revenge of that wrong, putteth the law out of office."

Our safety as individuals within society depends on the law. throw out law and justice not merely administered but seen openly to be administered as fairly as possible, and society crumbles and no one is safe.


**** that. Let's just have all those that are seen to be a burden to society compete in "Rollerball" competitions. I've been waiting since puberty for these to begin.

[Phil D. Rolls]

See ya pal (shall we cancel your milk)?

[Phil D. Rolls]

I wouldn't like to live in a country where people are killed in secret by security services in an extra-judicial way.

No doubt it happens in some way. The idea that a civilized state should just murder people it considers a threat or not conducive to the public good is the kind of carry on you'd expect from the countries we forcibly try to import democracy to. Or indeed places like Putin's Russia where we turn a blind eye to it because they couldn't care less what the UK thinks anyway.

: Jean Charles de Menezes :, Baader Meinhoff gang, Red Army Faction. Sometimes it's closer to home than you think.

[(((Fergus)))]

Pay attention, please.

I'm not suggesting we have regular votes on who gets it in the neck this week. I'm saying that the government, security services, police, judiciary, armed forces should be answerable to the people through parliament and the democratic process. I'm totally against "targeting" anyone - justify the unlawful killing of someone whom YOU think deserves to die, and you can justify the killing of anyone.

As Francis Bacon said, "Revenge is a kind of wild justice; which the more man's nature runs to, the more ought law to weed it out. For as for the first wrong, it doth but offend the law; but the revenge of that wrong, putteth the law out of office."

Our safety as individuals within society depends on the law. throw out law and justice not merely administered but seen openly to be administered as fairly as possible, and society crumbles and no one is safe.

Thank you for the lesson but I thought they were - are they not?

As for government hits on selected individuals, revenge doesn't have to be the motive.