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Waxy
27-05-2013, 08:32 PM
1887 Hibs 2-1 Dumbarton
1896 Hearts 3-1 Hibs
1902 Hibs 1-0 Celtic
1914 Celtic 0-0 Hibs
Replay Celtic 4-1 Hibs
1923 Celtic 1-0 Hibs
1924 Airdrie 2-0 Hibs
1947 Aberdeen 2-1 Hibs
1958 Clyde 1-0 Hibs
1972 Celtic 6-1 Hibs
1979 Rangers 0-0 Hibs
Replay Rangers 0-0 Hibs
2nd Replay Rangers 3-2 Hibs
2001 Celtic 3-0 Hibs
2012 Blah blah blah
2013 Celtic 3-0 Hibs


The complete list.
How did we no beat Clyde?
Also Airdries only ever win,v us.

Jonnyboy
27-05-2013, 08:37 PM
1887 Hibs 2-1 Dumbarton
1896 Hearts 3-1 Hibs
1902 Hibs 1-0 Celtic
1914 Celtic 0-0 Hibs
Replay Celtic 4-1 Hibs
1923 Celtic 1-0 Hibs
1924 Airdrie 2-0 Hibs
1947 Aberdeen 2-1 Hibs
1958 Clyde 1-0 Hibs
1972 Celtic 6-1 Hibs
1979 Rangers 0-0 Hibs
Replay Rangers 0-0 Hibs
2nd Replay Rangers 3-2 Hibs
2001 Celtic 3-0 Hibs
2012 Blah blah blah
2013 Celtic 3-0 Hibs


The complete list.
How did we no beat Clyde?
Also Airdries only ever win,v us.

We should have but don't forget that in the late 50's Clyde had a very good team

trev the hat
27-05-2013, 08:40 PM
I remember speaking to wee Andy Aitken many years ago in the pub & he made it clear to me his one regret in the game was not being able to win the cup for Hibs in 1958.
He was crunched in the first 15min of that final & carried off.(having to come back on & hobble for remainder of game as no subs were allowed)
He did however tell me a few stories of his time in England (think it was West Brom) & a few of the Gay Gordon himself :-)

PatHead
27-05-2013, 09:04 PM
Frightening to realise I have been at the last 5 finals we have lost. Makes you feel really old.

StevieT
27-05-2013, 09:18 PM
Frightening to realise I have been at the last 5 finals we have lost. Makes you feel really old.

You and me both

Sir David Gray
27-05-2013, 09:19 PM
Frightening to realise I have been at the last 5 finals we have lost. Makes you feel really old.

I've been at three and seen us score once and concede eleven. :rolleyes:

ginger_eejit
28-05-2013, 10:26 AM
I wonder if there is any other team in world sports that has lost 10 consecutive appearances in cup finals/grand finals/world series etc

Everyone goes on about the Boston Red Sox 80 odd years without a World Series - but how many finals were they in?

Are Hibs the worlds most "losingist"! team when it comes to finals?!?

Mister P
28-05-2013, 10:39 AM
7/13 have been against Celtc! That's quite unbelievable

SlickShoes
28-05-2013, 10:46 AM
The only one that hasn't been against strong opposition was last year's drubbing by Hearts, the one time we reach the final with a real chance of winning and it's probably the worst Hibs side I have ever seen.

jonny
28-05-2013, 10:48 AM
I've been at three and seen us score once and concede eleven. :rolleyes:

Me too. Won't stop me being there again next year though :wink:

southsider
28-05-2013, 10:52 AM
My Scottish Cup Final record is pretty poor. Goals For...4. Goals against...20. Perhaps i am a jinx !111111

JeMeSouviens
28-05-2013, 11:00 AM
1887 Hibs 2-1 Dumbarton
1896 Hearts 3-1 Hibs
1902 Hibs 1-0 Celtic
1914 Celtic 0-0 Hibs
Replay Celtic 4-1 Hibs
1923 Celtic 1-0 Hibs
1924 Airdrie 2-0 Hibs
1947 Aberdeen 2-1 Hibs
1958 Clyde 1-0 Hibs
1972 Celtic 6-1 Hibs
1979 Rangers 0-0 Hibs
Replay Rangers 0-0 Hibs
2nd Replay Rangers 3-2 Hibs
2001 Celtic 3-0 Hibs
2012 Blah blah blah
2013 Celtic 3-0 Hibs


The complete list.
How did we no beat Clyde?
Also Airdries only ever win,v us.

I looked at that last week. That season Clyde finished 4th, we were 9th. Also, they had won the cup in 1955. So not a bad side, Clyde.

Similarly, in 1924, Airdrie were 2nd in the league, Hibs 7th. We've never really had a final against a proper underdog.

Monts
28-05-2013, 11:12 AM
I was talking about this after the game on Sunday. In recent memory hearts, killie and united have all won the cup by playing weaker teams in the final. Looking at that list, we have never had that opportunity. We just need the rub of the green.

YehButNoBut
28-05-2013, 11:18 AM
If we are going to win the Scottish Cup I feel our best chance will be in the next few years. With Rangers severely weakened it has given all other teams more of a chance to get to finals and hopefully win.

This year we were unlucky that we faced a good Celtic side and were beaten by a better side on the day. However if we had faced Dundee Utd who came so close in the semi final then the outcome could have been so different.

If we can keep a strong side together over the next few years (as I believe we will) then we will surely have more opportunities to win it, would help our case if somebody else would knock out Celtic on the way. :greengrin

rcarter1
28-05-2013, 11:29 AM
Wow, didnt realise that Hibs were lower in the league against Clyde and Airdrie.

For what its worth, in the last 30 years of National Cup Competitions, 60 Finals played, I reckon only 4 were won by underdogs.

SC: St Mirren vs Dundee Utd 1987
SC: Dundee Utd vs Rangers 1994
LC: Raith Rovers vs Celtic 1994/5
LC: Kilmarnock vs Celtic 2011/12

22 of the Finals were probably too close to call, and 'the favourites' scooped up 34 wins.

Apart from 1991, and with the Clyde and Airdrie revelations, I cant think of another SC/LC Final in which we were clear favourites to win.

sbell1875
28-05-2013, 05:01 PM
I've been at three and seen us score once and concede eleven. :rolleyes:

Ditto. The 2001 final as 14 year old boy. It doesn't get any easier with time.

cabbageandribs1875
28-05-2013, 05:17 PM
1887 Hibs 2-1 Dumbarton
1896 Hearts 3-1 Hibs
1902 Hibs 1-0 Celtic
1914 Celtic 0-0 Hibs
Replay Celtic 4-1 Hibs
1923 Celtic 1-0 Hibs
1924 Airdrie 2-0 Hibs
1947 Aberdeen 2-1 Hibs
1958 Clyde 1-0 Hibs
1972 Celtic 6-1 Hibs
1979 Rangers 0-0 Hibs
Replay Rangers 0-0 Hibs
2nd Replay Rangers 3-2 Hibs
2001 Celtic 3-0 Hibs
2012 Blah blah blah
2013 Celtic 3-0 Hibs


The complete list.
How did we no beat Clyde?
Also Airdries only ever win,v us.


today is the 34th anniversary of THAT game, Arthur Duncan og to win it for the buns :grr: interesting to note that the combined attendance for the 3 games was just 114,876, and although i attended each game i remember the 1st replay was a Wednesday night but i've only just noticed that the 2nd replay was on a Monday night :greengrin

Spike Mandela
28-05-2013, 05:25 PM
In my entire lifetime Hibs have lost 5 Scotish cup finals and 5 league cup finals. Winning 3 league cup finals. A success rate of 3/13 or 23%. Pretty poor in all honesty.

Sir David Gray
28-05-2013, 06:25 PM
In my entire lifetime Hibs have lost 5 Scotish cup finals and 5 league cup finals. Winning 3 league cup finals. A success rate of 3/13 or 23%. Pretty poor in all honesty.

My success rate is slightly better.

Won two, lost five.

2/7=28%.

Part/Time Supporter
28-05-2013, 07:29 PM
I looked at that last week. That season Clyde finished 4th, we were 9th. Also, they had won the cup in 1955. So not a bad side, Clyde.

Similarly, in 1924, Airdrie were 2nd in the league, Hibs 7th. We've never really had a final against a proper underdog.

The 1924 Airdrie team had two all time great forwards (Hughie Gallacher and Bob McPhail).

Part/Time Supporter
28-05-2013, 07:38 PM
I wonder if there is any other team in world sports that has lost 10 consecutive appearances in cup finals/grand finals/world series etc

Everyone goes on about the Boston Red Sox 80 odd years without a World Series - but how many finals were they in?

Are Hibs the worlds most "losingist"! team when it comes to finals?!?

Not many. It was more the way the Red Sox lost finals or playoffs that got folk talking about a curse in their case. They lost World Series in 1967, 1975 and 1986 all in seven games. Particularly the last one they lost from a very winning position. But for long stretches in that period they weren't even close to winning the American League pennant, or later on their division, which is a pre-requisite of winning the World Series.

It does have to be remembered that it is "easier" for Scottish clubs outside the OF to have droughts in cup competition(s) because of the historic dominance of the OF.

eg1 St Johnstone have never been in a Scottish Cup Final or won the League Cup
eg2 Hearts haven't won the League Cup since 1962 and didn't win anything between 1962 and 1998
eg3 Aberdeen have won naff all since 1995 and haven't been in a final since 2000
eg4 Kilmarnock and St Mirren hadn't won the League Cup until they each won it in the last two seasons (60+ years)
eg5 Motherwell haven't won anything since 1991, despite having some very good teams since then

Jonnyboy
28-05-2013, 07:57 PM
The 1924 Airdrie team had two all time great forwards (Hughie Gallacher and Bob McPhail).

Fascinating and very moving article on Hughie Gallacher ..... http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/a-hero-who-died-of-shame-1124187.html

malcky
29-05-2013, 08:47 AM
I looked at that last week. That season Clyde finished 4th, we were 9th. Also, they had won the cup in 1955. So not a bad side, Clyde.

Similarly, in 1924, Airdrie were 2nd in the league, Hibs 7th. We've never really had a final against a proper underdog.

Does anyone know how many finals in which jobs have scored first? Apart from 79 we always appear to lose early goals.

JeMeSouviens
29-05-2013, 09:11 AM
Does anyone know how many finals in which jobs have scored first? Apart from 79 we always appear to lose early goals.

1947, we scored a very early goal but were 2-1 down by half time. We were 2nd in the league that year with most of the Famous 5 team in place (Aberdeen were 3rd though, so I doubt we were heavy favourites).

I guess the blow would've been softened by winning the league 3 out of the next 5 seasons! :wink:

Part/Time Supporter
29-05-2013, 09:21 AM
I think I might be right in saying that the only major cup final that Hibs were clear favourites for and lost would be the Coronation Cup. Arguably also the 1950/51 league cup final against Motherwell, although that depends on how prestiguous it was considered then (?). Damn the famous five and their underachievement in cup competitions.

:greengrin

JimBHibees
29-05-2013, 10:39 AM
I remember speaking to wee Andy Aitken many years ago in the pub & he made it clear to me his one regret in the game was not being able to win the cup for Hibs in 1958.
He was crunched in the first 15min of that final & carried off.(having to come back on & hobble for remainder of game as no subs were allowed)
He did however tell me a few stories of his time in England (think it was West Brom) & a few of the Gay Gordon himself :-)

That certainly puts into perspective why we didnt win that game. I also read Clyde had finished much higher in the league that season. To be honest there havent been that many finals that we have been clear favourites in however we have blown a number of semi finals such as Dunfermline, Dundee United and Aberdeen when playing teams way below us in the league. The Dunfermline was particularly galling as we had a decent team and Celtic were bang average IMO.

SPIDERS
11-06-2013, 04:24 PM
I`ve got every Hibs` Scottish Cup Final captain except 1896`s. Can anyone help? The only other one I`m not 100% sure of is 1947`s - Davie Shaw?

allezsauzee
11-06-2013, 04:26 PM
Dumbarton must be raging that they lost a cup final to us

Hibernia Na Eir
11-06-2013, 05:46 PM
I still want the 1902 game on DVD. anyone help?

Just_Jimmy
11-06-2013, 05:53 PM
Wow, didnt realise that Hibs were lower in the league against Clyde and Airdrie.

For what its worth, in the last 30 years of National Cup Competitions, 60 Finals played, I reckon only 4 were won by underdogs.

SC: St Mirren vs Dundee Utd 1987
SC: Dundee Utd vs Rangers 1994
LC: Raith Rovers vs Celtic 1994/5
LC: Kilmarnock vs Celtic 2011/12

22 of the Finals were probably too close to call, and 'the favourites' scooped up 34 wins.

Apart from 1991, and with the Clyde and Airdrie revelations, I cant think of another SC/LC Final in which we were clear favourites to win.

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SC them v oldco huns 1998.

As much as they fluked their way to the final it was an under dog win

Purple & Green
12-06-2013, 07:22 AM
I`ve got every Hibs` Scottish Cup Final captain except 1896`s. Can anyone help? The only other one I`m not 100% sure of is 1947`s - Davie Shaw?

I'll check this fir you. I think it was Shaw in 47 and one of the half backs in 1896

Part/Time Supporter
12-06-2013, 07:45 AM
5

SC them v oldco huns 1998.

As much as they fluked their way to the final it was an under dog win

Hearts weren't big underdogs in that game. They had pushed Rangers and Celtic quite hard in the league that year and only faded out in the last quarter.

Purple & Green
12-06-2013, 09:05 AM
Hearts weren't big underdogs in that game. They had pushed Rangers and Celtic quite hard in the league that year and only faded out in the last quarter.

But hadn't beaten rangers or Celtic in 8 attempts prior to the cup final that season if I mind right

Just_Jimmy
12-06-2013, 09:33 AM
Hearts weren't big underdogs in that game. They had pushed Rangers and Celtic quite hard in the league that year and only faded out in the last quarter.

They played an excellent rangers team in a cup final and as someone says had not beaten either the OF for ages.

I promise when you were in the bookies before the game you wouldnt have been lumping on the merricks. If you like a bet.

Broken Gnome
12-06-2013, 09:47 AM
Were we ahead at all in 1979? If not, we haven't lead in a Scottish Cup final since 1947?

Pretty Boy
12-06-2013, 10:08 AM
They played an excellent rangers team in a cup final and as someone says had not beaten either the OF for ages.

I promise when you were in the bookies before the game you wouldnt have been lumping on the merricks. If you like a bet.

The Rangers teams was pretty much dead on it's feet though. Failing to win 10 in a row took everything out of them. The Celti team that year wasn't particularly good, they lost and drew a lot of games, but Rangers seemed to age very quickly.

Whilst Hearts were underdogs there was definitely a feeling that if they could put aside the mental burden of a near 40 year trophy drought then they had a real chance.

JimBHibees
12-06-2013, 10:22 AM
Were we ahead at all in 1979? If not, we haven't lead in a Scottish Cup final since 1947?

Yes we were 1-0 up in the second replay.

The Leith Dutch
12-06-2013, 12:59 PM
How did we no beat Clyde?

Lawrie Reilly retired with a knee injury very shortly before that match - he's actually in the pre Cup Final team photo it was that close.
I have a really nice copy of the photo from that shop next to Vittoria that I got Lawrie Reilly to sign - easily my most prized Hibs possession.

I'm sure his retiring had a massive impact but I did look at the Hibs team for that final and we still had Ormond, Turnbull and Joe Baker.....

You'd have to have thought that a fit Lawrie Reilly would have tipped the balance but it looks like as far as Scottish Cup luck goes if we
didn't have bad luck we'd have no luck at all :(

Kato
12-06-2013, 03:20 PM
Lawrie Reilly retired with a knee injury very shortly before that match - he's actually in the pre Cup Final team photo it was that close.
I have a really nice copy of the photo from that shop next to Vittoria that I got Lawrie Reilly to sign - easily my most prized Hibs possession.

I'm sure his retiring had a massive impact but I did look at the Hibs team for that final and we still had Ormond, Turnbull and Joe Baker.....

You'd have to have thought that a fit Lawrie Reilly would have tipped the balance but it looks like as far as Scottish Cup luck goes if we
didn't have bad luck we'd have no luck at all :(

Joe Baker had a great chance to score from point blank range in that game, but for some reason he punched the ball in the net. Years later he said he still didn't know why he didn't lean down and header it in or even use his chest.

SPIDERS
13-06-2013, 07:43 PM
Any luck with the 1896 cup final captain? I can find no mention of a name in any of the newspapers i`ve consulted. Is this something that`s now disappeared forever?

Film of the 1958 final is inconclusive but photographs i`ve seen suggest the crossed ball was just out of joe baker`s legal reach and he just stuck up his hands to make some contact and palmed it into the net. If the hibees had had 11 fit players for the whole match the result might well have been different & remember johnny coyle`s winner took a dramatic deflection off john baxter - nae luck at a`!

Purple & Green
14-06-2013, 02:12 PM
I'm fairly sure Barney Breslin was captain, but I'll look into this more

hibbybrian
14-06-2013, 03:39 PM
I'm fairly sure Barney Breslin was captain, but I'll look into this more

Good shout B. :thumbsup:

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hibbybrian
14-06-2013, 03:44 PM
I`ve got every Hibs` Scottish Cup Final captain except 1896`s. Can anyone help? The only other one I`m not 100% sure of is 1947`s - Davie Shaw?

Davie Shaw is correct :agree:

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Part/Time Supporter
16-06-2013, 04:46 AM
Davie Shaw is correct :agree:

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Better value for money cup final programme than this year's absurd 3D effort (IMO anyway). At least last year's had a nice front cover.