Verdict tomorrow

[theonlywayisup]

What will it be? Points deduction and relegation or not?

[Sylar]

With restructuring and the fallout from The Rangers still fresh, the SPL will want to avoid putting themselves in a potential legal situation to end this season.

I can't see it, despite all of the very good reasons why it should happen.

A little of that is based on their [Hearts'] history of wiggling out of such situations and I fear it'll happen again.

Hope I'm wrong as I believe all clubs who cheat and live well beyond their means should be hammered accordingly. Not just Hearts.

[Part/Time Supporter]

You've missed the obvious third option, defer the decision until further action is taken in Lithuania to clarify UBIG's status.

[Hero76]

Nothing will happen, they will be deducted points for next season.

[danhibees1875]

You've missed the obvious third option, defer the decision until further action is taken in Lithuania to clarify UBIG's status.

:agree:

I don't think anything will happen tomorrow, but that won't be the end of it.

[Spike Mandela]

No decision will be made. You need to alter your poll.

This time tomorrow night Hearts will be carrying on as if nothing is wrong and no doubt making statements about how bright the future is.

[theonlywayisup]

You've missed the obvious third option, defer the decision until further action is taken in Lithuania to clarify UBIG's status.

Oops! Did wonder about putting an "Other" option!

Is it easy to change?

[Leithenhibby]

Nothing will happen, they will be deducted points for next season.


So something will happen!!....... :wink:

[Sir David Gray]

As much as I would love to see them deducted points and subsequently relegated, I can't see them coming to a decision of this magnitude only a few days after UBIG announced their troubles.

There will be further talks held over the next month or so as the bigger picture unfolds and I fully expect any points deduction to be applied next season.

Hope I'm wrong though. :pray:

[#FromTheCapital]

Can't see them getting a points deduction but il take comfort from the fact that they are screwed no matter what.

[Geo_1875]

As much as I would love to see them deducted points and subsequently relegated, I can't see them coming to a decision of this magnitude only a few days after UBIG announced their troubles.

There will be further talks held over the next month or so as the bigger picture unfolds and I fully expect any points deduction to be applied next season.

Hope I'm wrong though. :pray:

UBIG didn't recently announce their troubles. It has been known that they were up ****-creek since Ukio went bust. What they've done is thrown in the towel and HoMFC should now suffer the consequences.

[Sir David Gray]

UBIG didn't recently announce their troubles. It has been known that they were up ****-creek since Ukio went bust. What they've done is thrown in the towel and HoMFC should now suffer the consequences.

I think everyone knows that they are in financial trouble but the SPL will require certain criteria to be met before they're going to issue them with a points deduction.

They won't just deduct points on the back of some media reports, no matter how plausible they seem.

These things have a legal aspect to them as well and I'm sure the lawyers of both the SPL and Hearts will be involved in discussions over the coming days and weeks.

I'm sure that they will get a points deduction at some stage because they do seem to be very close to going bust now but I'm not sure that it will be tomorrow.

[silverhibee]

Verdict tomorrow


Die h***** Die

[Sean1875]

As hilarious as it would be to see Hearts relegated this season, im starting to think maybe a points deduction next season would be of greater comical value.. They'll have to clear everyone out from their squad in the summer and spending a season seeing Hearts getting pumped week in week out and knowing that they are more or less guaranteed relegation could be very entertaining :agree:

[Saorsa]

IMO they'll be eliminated by events outside Scotland anyway so we winnae have tae worry about the SPL no having the bottle tae do the right thing. Be good tae see them getting relegated before they get liquidated but liquidation only would do just as well.

[EdinMike]

My heart *Pun intended ?* says they will get the point reduction and relegation.

My head says nothing will happen and they will be given a point deduction next season... If they survive the Summer that is ! :wink:

[Hibercelona]

Hearts to get off scott-free as Jambo Edinburgh Council devise clever scheme to use tax payers money to slash off all the debt.


Nothing would shock me now in all honesty. :rolleyes:

[brydekirk]

The problem I see, is, if they are still in Spl next season, will they be able to last the whole season ?

[stokesmessiah]

Nothing is going to happen today to Hearts. Not enough has happened with UBIG for the SPL to make such a big decision and be confident enough to argue it away strongly enough in court. Doesn't mean we are not seeing the beginning of the end game though.

[SuperTortolano]

My money is on a points deduction but not enough to see them relegated!

[Onion]

Nothing will happen, they will be deducted points for next season.

IMHO the points thing is really just a bit of fun, as Yams will be in no position to play in any league next season once the loans are called in by the Lith Admins and the truth about where the dirty money came from. The SPL would do well to relegate them now and remove the problem from our top league.

[hibbeedavid]

I'd still be surprised if we get any concrete decision from the SPL today, will probably conclude that they will wait to see if insolvency is granted or not by Lithuanian court, there's no way in my eyes we'll be celebrating a Hearts relegation today

Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but if they did get deducted 18 points would it have turned out that we relegated them? As I'm sure if they had beaten us and Aberdeen they'd have been more than 18 points clear of Dundee

[lucky]

The yams to be given a European place according to the investigative journalism of Barry Anderson after he discovered they owe the money to themselves

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

We all know what they are like and they're arrogance could see them squirm out of any punishment and if they do then a full head on protest to the SPL must be made, not just by us but by all clubs who abide by the rules.

I want them dead and buried and couldn't care less about derbies to be honest, just to be rid of that club and not have to listen to endless boasting and bull from they're fans would be heaven.

[Saorsa]

My money is on a points deduction but not enough to see them relegated!The rules state what the point deduction is, they cannae just make that up and pick a number.

[ronaldo7]

I think an 18 point penalty should be awarded and reduced to 15 on appeal:greengrin


Dee Day

[Saorsa]

I think an 18 point penalty should be awarded and reduced to 15 on appeal:greengrindinnae think they'll appeal much tae anybody :sick: 18 points it is :greengrin

[1two]

Today will be disappointing, they won't be deducted points now.
Worst they'll get is a warning that if the parent company insolvency event, club administration is confirmed in court they'll get a points deduction, probably next season.

Lets not get concerned if nothing happens today. It is only delaying the inevitable.

[Saorsa]

what a lot of miserable gits on here today.

[Just Alf]

Today will be disappointing, they won't be deducted points now.
Worst they'll get is a warning that if the parent company insolvency event, club administration is confirmed in court they'll get a points deduction, probably next season.

Lets not get concerned if nothing happens today. It is only delaying the inevitable.

I'm almost with you on this, although I do take comfort from the fact that the SPL have already said that if Admin is confirmed in, say 3 weeks time, then the relevant trigger date for any punishment is set at last Thursday as that's the date UBIG themselves drew the proverbial line in the sand..... I'm thinking that the management that's left don't want to fall foul of any trading while insolvent rules hence the announcement.

From a Yam perspective, this is all a side show at the moment. The big question is what's happening with their own finances as a result of all this!

[Just Alf]

what a lot of miserable gits on here today.

Morning DD! :D

[Saorsa]

Morning DD! :DMorning :greengrin

[CraigHibee]

Even if the **** don't get a points deduction today, they are still in a pretty nasty position, they cannot service the debt they have and the chances are they will hit the wall at some point leading to bankruptcy (hopefully) and then going the same route as their Glasgow brothers! difference being, they won't have an owner who can throw money into the team to buy their way out the bottom tier!

[Niffy]

No points deducted either season at today's meeting. As by SPL's rules, they are not in administration yet.
Whether they will be will be dealt with then.

[Caversham Green]

As I understand it a points deduction next season isn't an option at the moment. The relevant questions are whether or not UBIG's declaration of insolvency constitutes an insolvency event (I strongly believe it does) and whether or not UBIG were sufficiently involved with HoMFC to trigger the Board's discretion on the group company provision of the rules (I strongly believe they were. The declaration of insolvency happened during the season so the choice is either 18 points off this season or nothing yet.

However, the points deduction issue looks more and more like being a sideshow anyway. The circumstances are such that other events are likely to take place in the next week or two that will make a points deduction irrelevant.

[Saorsa]

As I understand it a points deduction next season isn't an option at the moment. The relevant questions are whether or not UBIG's declaration of insolvency constitutes an insolvency event (I strongly believe it does) and whether or not UBIG were sufficiently involved with HoMFC to trigger the Board's discretion on the group company provision of the rules (I strongly believe they were. The declaration of insolvency happened during the season so the choice is either 18 points off this season or nothing yet.

However, the points deduction issue looks more and more like being a sideshow anyway. The circumstances are such that other events are likely to take place in the next week or two that will make a points deduction irrelevant.Much better :greengrin :thumbsup:

[Steve20]

They should get a points deduction. But they won't.

[matty_f]

Relegation is the very least of their problems at the minute.

[Saorsa]

Relegation is the very least of their problems at the minute.:agree: Relegation or not they will be taken out by events elsewhere anyway.

[Sylar]

:agree: Relegation or not they will be taken out by events elsewhere anyway.

I love your zeal for justice :greengrin

[bingo70]

:agree: Relegation or not they will be taken out by events elsewhere anyway.

Which is why the decision needs to be made now to relegate them and I'm sure the SPL board will be aware of that.

[BigKev]

They're such a lucky shower of ***** they might escape punishment today however death and destruction are not far away.

If we need to wait a week, month or year they're dead. Everyone knows it. The SPL would be doing them a favour relegating them today which may save them a death by a thousand cuts.

**** em, let them burn in hell.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Let justice prevail.

Bin the bassas.

[EdinMike]

I've just finished a night shift, when should I set my alarm in preparation for the news.. :greengrin

[Sanger]

Relegation is the very least of their problems at the minute.


Agree relegation least of worries. Ukio Bankas losing bankruptcy appeal, UBIG being UB main debtor being declared bankrupt and UB them going after the assets of UBIG and HMFC to fill some of the £300 million hole left by UB that the Lithuanian state had to fill. Will be an interesting summer in Edinburgh.

[Hibercelona]

They're such a lucky shower of ***** they might escape punishment today however death and destruction are not far away.

If we need to wait a week, month or year they're dead. Everyone knows it. The SPL would be doing them a favour relegating them today which may save them a death by a thousand cuts.

**** em, let them burn in hell.

Quit being so impartial and let your feelings be known. :greengrin

[grunt]

However, the points deduction issue looks more and more like being a sideshow anyway. The circumstances are such that other events are likely to take place in the next week or two that will make a points deduction irrelevant.
Other events, Cav?

[Sanger]

Had contact with Bryan Bradley the Bloomberg reporter in Lithuania and he believes a court would have to declare UBIG insolvent but the important thing is that the official insolvency process has began which is good enough according to the SPL rule book to have the points deduction.

[Caversham Green]

Other events, Cav?

:greengrin Nothing specific necessarily, but the progress of the two insolvency processes is likely to cast up some very unpleasant truths for our pink chums.

[Saorsa]

I love your zeal for justice :greengrin:greengrin


Time tae pay the piper :agree:

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

SPL should have an obligation to the clubs that have stuck to the rules.

[TheMentalHibees]

No decision will be made. You need to alter your poll.

This time tomorrow night Hearts will be carrying on as if nothing is wrong and no doubt making statements about how bright the future is.

+1
Hee-haw is going to happen.

[IWasThere2016]

The SPL could delay/defer etc., but frankly that's like leaving a starving fat lass in a room with a huge chocolate gateaux and expecting yer cake to be intact when you return 4 hours later.

[Hibernian Verse]

"Sporting Integrity" (Petrie, 2012)

[J-C]

I've a funny feeling it's more complicated than it looks and it'll be a deduction starting from next season. Thing is it's the parent company that's bust not actually the club itself, unlike Rangers where they themselves went bust.

[Saorsa]

I've a funny feeling it's more complicated than it looks and it'll be a deduction starting from next season. Thing is it's the parent company that's bust not actually the club itself, unlike Rangers where they themselves went bust.The rules apply tae the parent company going bust as well as the club.

[J-C]

The rules apply tae the parent company going bust as well as the club.

I know but think there's a few legal wrangles that may happen