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dangermouse
13-02-2013, 08:46 AM
Looks like I forgot to click on the submit new thread button yesterday.

I'm not one for castigating the team or the manager. I have stood by and offered my support to both the players and the management team more in blind faith than anything else.

However, last night finally tipped me over the edge and I questioned myself if I should renew my season ticket later this year. Once my anger at the way we were beaten subsided I sent this to the board. I'll post the reply when I get one.

Dear board members,

I attended Easter Road last night for the visit of St Johnstone to once again watch my team get bossed and bullied all over the park with the game ending in a humiliating defeat. Not so long ago we were proudly sitting top of the league and scoring goals for fun but since our visit to Dens Park it has all gone horribly wrong (with the odd exception).

The team used to fight for each other when up against it now the body language of the players shows they are looking for a team mate to blame when things go wrong. Last night was no exception as the defence stood like statues to allow St Johnstone to open the scoring. You would think the penalty save would give the team the lift they needed but it wasn't long before they were back to chasing shadows.

Where has it all gone wrong? My son was with me last night and after the game said the most exciting part of the evening was the 10 second challenge but even that was a shambles as the fourth lad in the group never got to take his third attempt to score. My son also said of the result he was embarrassed to be a Hibs fan last night, strong words from a 15 year old.

As our game had been moved to Monday night, I took the opportunity of going along to Meadowbank on Saturday to watch Edinburgh City against Edinburgh University. Night and day compared to what was on offer last night. Four excellent goals, passing football, a joy to watch and only a fiver to get in.

I am a Hibs fan and when season ticket renewal comes round I always take advantage of the early bird offer for two reasons. Firstly it offers me and my son very good value for money and secondly always answers you call for our manager to know well in advance what his budget for the coming year will be.

My question to the board is after last night's debacle, why should I bother to renew my season ticket?

Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see.


I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,

lyonhibs
13-02-2013, 08:58 AM
Looks like I forgot to click on the submit new thread button yesterday.

I'm not one for castigating the team or the manager. I have stood by and offered my support to both the players and the management team more in blind faith than anything else.

However, last night finally tipped me over the edge and I questioned myself if I should renew my season ticket later this year. Once my anger at the way we were beaten subsided I sent this to the board. I'll post the reply when I get one.

Dear board members,

I attended Easter Road last night for the visit of St Johnstone to once again watch my team get bossed and bullied all over the park with the game ending in a humiliating defeat. Not so long ago we were proudly sitting top of the league and scoring goals for fun but since our visit to Dens Park it has all gone horribly wrong (with the odd exception).

The team used to fight for each other when up against it now the body language of the players shows they are looking for a team mate to blame when things go wrong. Last night was no exception as the defence stood like statues to allow St Johnstone to open the scoring. You would think the penalty save would give the team the lift they needed but it wasn't long before they were back to chasing shadows.

Where has it all gone wrong? My son was with me last night and after the game said the most exciting part of the evening was the 10 second challenge but even that was a shambles as the fourth lad in the group never got to take his third attempt to score. My son also said of the result he was embarrassed to be a Hibs fan last night, strong words from a 15 year old.

As our game had been moved to Monday night, I took the opportunity of going along to Meadowbank on Saturday to watch Edinburgh City against Edinburgh University. Night and day compared to what was on offer last night. Four excellent goals, passing football, a joy to watch and only a fiver to get in.

I am a Hibs fan and when season ticket renewal comes round I always take advantage of the early bird offer for two reasons. Firstly it offers me and my son very good value for money and secondly always answers you call for our manager to know well in advance what his budget for the coming year will be.

My question to the board is after last night's debacle, why should I bother to renew my season ticket?

Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see.


I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,

An open letter to the board ending in a veiled threat.

Isn't this all a bit Jambo-tastic?

And, as all your concerns are football related and relate to the past few weeks, and you were happy with the football that this same group (indeed, I'd say the playing pool has - granted, very much theoretically at the moment - improved since the January window) produced earlier in the season, shouldn't your letter be addressed to Pat Fenlon and the playing squad?

If in doubt, blame Rod Petrie I guess.

SMAXXA
13-02-2013, 08:58 AM
Good luck with that. I'm personally not a fan of all these letters to the board stuff but each to their own.

Hiber-nation
13-02-2013, 09:09 AM
We must have the most patient fans in the league after what has been served up this last few years. Why shouldn't fans make their feelings known to the board, far better than simply voting with your feet.

MWHIBBIES
13-02-2013, 09:11 AM
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down-the-slope
13-02-2013, 09:14 AM
An open letter to the board ending in a veiled threat.

Isn't this all a bit Jambo-tastic?

And, as all your concerns are football related and relate to the past few weeks, and you were happy with the football that this same group (indeed, I'd say the playing pool has - granted, very much theoretically at the moment - improved since the January window) produced earlier in the season, shouldn't your letter be addressed to Pat Fenlon and the playing squad?

If in doubt, blame Rod Petrie I guess.

:agree: the Board could respond....

Dear Mr Dangermouse

While understanding your frustration The Board, even with less than anticipated numbers attending ER have supported the manager and tied up his stated priority of retaining 3 loanees during last transfer window....additionally the board made funds available for the signing of 2 additional players (1 loan 1 permanent)....further to the immediate situation we have supported the ongoing overhaul of the squad with the pre-contract signing of another player for the next season. We will continue to support the manger to the greatest extent we can based on resources available from income received - your continued attendance along with fellow supporters can be part of that......

While recent results have been disappointing we fully support the manager as he continues to make the wide ranging changes that were required from the situation he inherited from his predecessor

The Board

spike220
13-02-2013, 09:30 AM
Looks like I forgot to click on the submit new thread button yesterday.

I'm not one for castigating the team or the manager. I have stood by and offered my support to both the players and the management team more in blind faith than anything else.

However, last night finally tipped me over the edge and I questioned myself if I should renew my season ticket later this year. Once my anger at the way we were beaten subsided I sent this to the board. I'll post the reply when I get one.

Dear board members,

I attended Easter Road last night for the visit of St Johnstone to once again watch my team get bossed and bullied all over the park with the game ending in a humiliating defeat. Not so long ago we were proudly sitting top of the league and scoring goals for fun but since our visit to Dens Park it has all gone horribly wrong (with the odd exception).

The team used to fight for each other when up against it now the body language of the players shows they are looking for a team mate to blame when things go wrong. Last night was no exception as the defence stood like statues to allow St Johnstone to open the scoring. You would think the penalty save would give the team the lift they needed but it wasn't long before they were back to chasing shadows.

Where has it all gone wrong? My son was with me last night and after the game said the most exciting part of the evening was the 10 second challenge but even that was a shambles as the fourth lad in the group never got to take his third attempt to score. My son also said of the result he was embarrassed to be a Hibs fan last night, strong words from a 15 year old.

As our game had been moved to Monday night, I took the opportunity of going along to Meadowbank on Saturday to watch Edinburgh City against Edinburgh University. Night and day compared to what was on offer last night. Four excellent goals, passing football, a joy to watch and only a fiver to get in.

I am a Hibs fan and when season ticket renewal comes round I always take advantage of the early bird offer for two reasons. Firstly it offers me and my son very good value for money and secondly always answers you call for our manager to know well in advance what his budget for the coming year will be.

My question to the board is after last night's debacle, why should I bother to renew my season ticket?

Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see.


I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,

Dear Danger,

Keep the mouse in the house.

Hugs and kisses

Rod. x

jeffers
13-02-2013, 09:38 AM
I think your points are all valid, Monday was the first game this season I walked out before the final whistle. I'm still 99% decided I will renew next season, but Monday was the first time this season I even gave it a 2nd thought. In saying all that I think the recipient of your letter should have been Paddy Fenlon.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 09:38 AM
Good luck with that. I'm personally not a fan of all these letters to the board stuff but each to their own.

Indeed Sir I agree, I would much prefer the board do important board related stuff than waste days reading and responding to this kind of p**h just sayin

adhibs
13-02-2013, 10:04 AM
Indeed Sir I agree, I would much prefer the board do important board related stuff than waste days reading and responding to this kind of p**h just sayin

Like apoint ***** manager after ***** manager and run the club further into the ground?

adhibs
13-02-2013, 10:06 AM
Indeed Sir I agree, I would much prefer the board do important board related stuff than waste days reading and responding to this kind of p**h just sayin

Like apoint ***** manager after ***** manager and run the club further into the ground? Seems to be all there good for when theve got a bit time on their hands

Tha Cabbage Kid
13-02-2013, 10:14 AM
wouldnt say his letter is p1$h mate.

i think its important that the board see how people feel. if there is no changes then we will end up with very low attendances.

Elephant Stone
13-02-2013, 10:16 AM
Cool letter, bro.

hibee92
13-02-2013, 10:16 AM
Like apoint ***** manager after ***** manager and run the club further into the ground? Seems to be all there good for when theve got a bit time on their hands

http://warriorfitness.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/confused.jpg

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 10:25 AM
Like apoint ***** manager after ***** manager and run the club further into the ground? Seems to be all there good for when theve got a bit time on their hands

So good you said it twice, so were you against the appointment of Yogi, Mixu, Calderwood or Fenlon ? How would you make sure our next interview process yields better results ? Do you think we are in a position to hire proven quality ? Can you name someone who has been in the running for any of the last 5 positions that would have been less of a risk or better option (not using hindsight) would Alex ferguson do better given our budget ?

Sect43
13-02-2013, 10:34 AM
Knee jerk.

adhibs
13-02-2013, 10:37 AM
http://warriorfitness.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/confused.jpg

Very funny

MB62
13-02-2013, 10:42 AM
Indeed Sir I agree, I would much prefer the board do important board related stuff than waste days reading and responding to this kind of p**h just sayin

So a season ticket holder's opinion is P**h?

It's not p**h when the club start sending out their begging letters to renew season tickets for the coming season, or to spend money in the shop or buy bricks or whatever.
Just saying!

MB62
13-02-2013, 10:47 AM
Knee jerk.

could you let us know how many more crap, boring performances and results we need to put up with before it doesn't become knee jerk anymore?
I have been desperate to write to the board for a long time but didn't want to be accused of my actions being knee jerk :wink:

adhibs
13-02-2013, 10:51 AM
So good you said it twice, so were you against the appointment of Yogi, Mixu, Calderwood or Fenlon ? How would you make sure our next interview process yields better results ? Do you think we are in a position to hire proven quality ? Can you name someone who has been in the running for any of the last 5 positions that would have been less of a risk or better option (not using hindsight) would Alex ferguson do better given our budget ?

I wasnt against any of they appointments and was willong to give them my support. Cant say I was particularly excited by them although I understand that with the limitations a club like ours has were not goin to get anyone exciting.
As for who we shouldve and couldve got it isw my job to pick the Hibernian manager, thats down to some highly paid the acountant or whoever we have running football matters at our club. Its pretty obvious their doing a miserable job of it

marinello59
13-02-2013, 10:53 AM
Dear DangerMouse

We understand that much like Brian Kerr you are a fictional character and as such your views hold little sway with us. Keep buying the season tickets though.

Regards

The Board

PS. Tell Penfold we think he's a ****.

Sect43
13-02-2013, 10:58 AM
could you let us know how many more crap, boring performances and results we need to put up with before it doesn't become knee jerk anymore?
I have been desperate to write to the board for a long time but didn't want to be accused of my actions being knee jerk :wink:

We were never going to be transformed over night. It's a work in progress. Next season will be PFs biggest challenge to show what he has got.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 11:00 AM
So a season ticket holder's opinion is P**h?

It's not p**h when the club start sending out their begging letters to renew season tickets for the coming season, or to spend money in the shop or buy bricks or whatever.
Just saying!

Answer to your 1st point no his opinion is not P**h as its his opinion:wink:
My point is does said season ticket holder believe the Board dont actually know all these things ? Lets say we have 7000 season ticket holders and even 10% felt compelled to write a letter every time things got sticky would they have time to do anything Practical ? how much does a Lawyer Take to read and reply to a letter ? These guys time is of value to us in other ways not reading and replying to letters in my opinion.

Also on your "Begging Letters" statement I call them information about the Club i "Support" :wink: Just Sayin

Gatecrasher
13-02-2013, 11:04 AM
I Don't see why Dangermouse is getting a hard time here, we are pissed off after Monday and we all deal with it in different ways. I'm not a fan of contacting the club everytime I feel angry at the way things are going but the OP obviously felt that it was time to let the club know they could lose a valuble fan. With ST renewal time around the corner I'm sure many of us are weighing up the options and its up to Fenlon and the team to convince us renewing is the way to go.

IWasThere2016
13-02-2013, 11:10 AM
I Don't see why Dangermouse is getting a hard time here, we are pissed off after Monday and we all deal with it in different ways. I'm not a fan of contacting the club everytime I feel angry at the way things are going but the OP obviously felt that it was time to let the club know they could lose a valuble fan. With ST renewal time around the corner I'm sure many of us are weighing up the options and its up to Fenlon and the team to convince us renewing is the way to go.

This. After Monday, I am not going to Paisley as planned - and for the first time since moving up here in 2000, I am planning to watch the DUFC-Hibs game on the 24th in the golf club rather than attending.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 11:11 AM
I wasnt against any of they appointments and was willong to give them my support. Cant say I was particularly excited by them although I understand that with the limitations a club like ours has were not goin to get anyone exciting.
As for who we shouldve and couldve got it isw my job to pick the Hibernian manager, thats down to some highly paid the acountant or whoever we have running football matters at our club. Its pretty obvious their doing a miserable job of it

But thats my point its a roll of the dice, We are not in a position to hire top Proven Quality (even if we did would that work out) we got lucky with Tony Mowbray and to a lesser extent Alex McLeish (really heavily backed) and have hired some guys very much in that mould in Collins, Calderwood, And the others they have not worked out My contention is we will have to keep throwing the dice or Hire a Jimmy Calderwood, Jumbo Jim or a Bobby Williamson where you know exactly what you are getting

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 11:17 AM
I Don't see why Dangermouse is getting a hard time here, we are pissed off after Monday and we all deal with it in different ways. I'm not a fan of contacting the club everytime I feel angry at the way things are going but the OP obviously felt that it was time to let the club know they could lose a valuble fan. With ST renewal time around the corner I'm sure many of us are weighing up the options and its up to Fenlon and the team to convince us renewing is the way to go.

I would have had more respect for the whole letter situation had it not have been posted on here :agree: i feel the same as everyone and am gutted but the way we seem to contstantly under perform but cant see why a letter telling them what the know will help and i really cant see what the Board had to do with Mondays shambles or for that matter any of the last 10 games. I believe the Board have very much delivered in terms of signings and this can only fall at the feet of Pat and the Players who i still believe in

SunshineOnLeith
13-02-2013, 11:55 AM
I would have had more respect for the whole letter situation had it not have been posted on here :agree: i feel the same as everyone and am gutted but the way we seem to contstantly under perform but cant see why a letter telling them what the know will help and i really cant see what the Board had to do with Mondays shambles or for that matter any of the last 10 games. I believe the Board have very much delivered in terms of signings and this can only fall at the feet of Pat and the Players who i still believe in

Agree with this. If you want a write a letter, fine. Appointing yourself as some kind of fans' spokesperson though is just a bit pathetic.

jeffers
13-02-2013, 12:04 PM
Agree with this. If you want a write a letter, fine. Appointing yourself as some kind of fans' spokesperson though is just a bit pathetic.

I think that's a bit unfair on DM. He's sent a letter (I've already said I believe should have gone to PF instead) but I'd like to hear what response he gets. Surely this board is about discussion and information sharing on our club ? I certainly don't see him as a fans' spokesperson, he's one of us frustrated at recent results and performances.

7Hero
13-02-2013, 12:07 PM
Listen Pal, we really don't care what you or any of the fans think. Its OUR football club not yours.

We'll run it as we see fit



Tom and Rod

Thecat23
13-02-2013, 12:08 PM
Agree with this. If you want a write a letter, fine. Appointing yourself as some kind of fans' spokesperson though is just a bit pathetic.

Where did he say he was speaking on behalf of the fans? It's his view and he's shared it with us as this is a Hibs fan forum is it not? Honestly some folk on here are unreal. To call him pathetic for it is just harsh.

Golden Bear
13-02-2013, 12:10 PM
Where did he say he was speaking on behalf of the fans? It's his view and he's shared it with us as this is a Hibs fan forum is it not? Honestly some folk on here are unreal. To call him pathetic for it is just harsh.

:agree:

Absolutely correct.

Hiber-nation
13-02-2013, 12:13 PM
:agree:

Absolutely correct.

:agree:

Quite incredible the stick the guy's getting. What's wrong with him posting it on here? Is there something I'm missing?

Emerald
13-02-2013, 12:25 PM
:agree:

Quite incredible the stick the guy's getting. What's wrong with him posting it on here? Is there something I'm missing?

:agree:

Exactly. If this type of play continues to the end of the season when we will most likely loose our only goal threat and with the prospect of having to watch another season like this, how many more will think twice about renewing. It may not do him any good writing to the board but it can't do any harm. I'm sure they will be aware already that the fans are at their wits end but he has the right to let them know and share his views on here. We're all after the same thing at the end of the day and that is a great Hibs team on the park. At the moment we are heading in the wrong direction IMHO.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 12:28 PM
Where did he say he was speaking on behalf of the fans? It's his view and he's shared it with us as this is a Hibs fan forum is it not? Honestly some folk on here are unreal. To call him pathetic for it is just harsh.

That's sunshine on leith expressing his view though about something on a Hibs fan forum so you getting on his case is just the same (winking smiley)

Thecat23
13-02-2013, 12:39 PM
That's sunshine on leith expressing his view though about something on a Hibs fan forum so you getting on his case is just the same (winking smiley)

Well It's not really is it? He came out with a direct comment to DM saying "it's pathetic". That for me was low. I understand not everyone agrees with letters to the board and that's fine. But I don't get why folk want to abuse someone else for it. He's not giving us it tight for not writting to them!!!!! :wink:

MrSmith
13-02-2013, 12:41 PM
It is a shame you feel compelled enough to write a letter in the first instance.The only issue I have with your letter, is the end bit about showing it here and the bounce. However, Hibs need to take cognisance of season ticket holders and walk up fan views. Good quality customer service is vital in this recession! Simply put, if you don't listen to your customer base then you are left with nothing to offer!

To me it appears the gulf is widening between club and fans again. We keep getting the talk of it being up to us to provide necessary funds through supporting the club however, something is truly amiss at our club! I can't help but dwell on a point made by a member here earlier on about the mindset within the club itself. We seem unable to breed a sustainable winning/fighting mentality to see us through. Why is this? Pat comes across as a hard man who demands much from his teams, in my view, Ben Williams, James McPake and Gary Deegan are the spine of our team and give us our steel - well at least big Ben does! But what else is going on from the board? Are they monitoring team participation and engagement (quality control) or are they happy to just sit on their backsides in a nice warm office? I don't know so, what is it that is so intrinsically wrong at Hibs? And, where do we go from here? Attacking a fellow fan for acting on his frustrations is hardly a place to start!

SunshineOnLeith
13-02-2013, 12:41 PM
Where did he say he was speaking on behalf of the fans? It's his view and he's shared it with us as this is a Hibs fan forum is it not? Honestly some folk on here are unreal. To call him pathetic for it is just harsh.

"Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see."

Nae need.

Thecat23
13-02-2013, 01:10 PM
"Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see."

Nae need.

He's being honest though and not being sneaky. He's telling them that instead of maybe firing out the standard reply they may want to actually think about what they send out as other fans will be interested in what they say. Hence the reply to be posted here and the bounce. I get it's not everyone's cup of tea but it was a bit harsh calling it pathetic.

Beefster
13-02-2013, 01:14 PM
I Don't see why Dangermouse is getting a hard time here, we are pissed off after Monday and we all deal with it in different ways. I'm not a fan of contacting the club everytime I feel angry at the way things are going but the OP obviously felt that it was time to let the club know they could lose a valuble fan. With ST renewal time around the corner I'm sure many of us are weighing up the options and its up to Fenlon and the team to convince us renewing is the way to go.

Because, just as there are some on here who do nothing but criticise the team and club, there are some who feel threatened by any attempt to criticise the club or engage with the club in anything other than a cheer-leading fashion.

The OP is perfectly entitled to write to the club but all he's doing is opening himself up to criticism by copying it onto here.

Beefster
13-02-2013, 01:17 PM
"Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see."

Nae need.

It would be worse if he didn't make them aware that the letter and any response would be made public.

marinello59
13-02-2013, 01:17 PM
When a loyal long term ST holder such as the OP feels moved to take action like this it's not him we should be directing our fire at.

Ray_
13-02-2013, 01:19 PM
So good you said it twice, so were you against the appointment of Yogi, Mixu, Calderwood or Fenlon ? How would you make sure our next interview process yields better results ? Do you think we are in a position to hire proven quality ? Can you name someone who has been in the running for any of the last 5 positions that would have been less of a risk or better option (not using hindsight) would Alex ferguson do better given our budget ?

Petrie was quick enough to claim the credit for appointing Mowbray with his tick boxes, why then shouldn't he attract the flak when it goes, as it has with a large majority his appointments, t1ts up?

Our budget is what it is because our board has squandered shed loads of money, making some ridicules decisions & stubbornly and unprofessionally refusing to yield, when obvious mistakes have been made, adding 100 of K’s to the losses.

Our budget has been undermined by the above and by the fact we have been close to being the worst performing SPL team over the last three years, both in terms of results and style, therefore we offer little to attract custom. Again, that is within the boards remit. its not too difficult to see where the blame for the constant upheaval lays.

matty_f
13-02-2013, 01:32 PM
When a loyal long term ST holder such as the OP feels moved to take action like this it's not him we should be directing our fire at.

:agree:

Nothing wrong with the letter, imho.

gegs70
13-02-2013, 01:34 PM
I think DM is right ti air his views to the board. The last 3 years or si has been spent rebuilding a squad but I have not been totally impressed with whats being played a few good results celtic and hearts game With money being tight this year, I may decide that this year it will be too much to pay £300-400 in advance (hoping that they get it right AGAIN:rolleyes:)!

Mondays result has been coming, its been a poor 2013 and I wasnt greatly excited by the players pat beought in....we seem to still have issues thru the middle of the team which after all this time is still a problem. Is it that we pay less money in wages where ICT , Ross County, StJohnstone etc do? Or are good players not being identified. ps I m not a fan of all these longterm loan deals!

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 01:42 PM
Petrie was quick enough to claim the credit for appointing Mowbray with his tick boxes, why then shouldn't he attract the flak when it goes, as it has with a large majority his appointments, t1ts up?

Our budget is what it is because our board has squandered shed loads of money, making some ridicules decisions & stubbornly and unprofessionally refusing to yield, when obvious mistakes have been made, adding 100 of K’s to the losses.

Our budget has been undermined by the above and by the fact we have been close to being the worst performing SPL team over the last three years, both in terms of results and style, therefore we offer little to attract custom. Again, that is within the boards remit. its not too difficult to see where the blame for the constant upheaval lays.
Agree the amount of money we have is down to this however I still don't think we are in a position to bring in assured success when we appoint a manager, so what do you propose ?

The Modfather
13-02-2013, 01:45 PM
Because, just as there are some on here who do nothing but criticise the team and club (Hibcerlona??), there are some who feel threatened by any attempt to criticise the club or engage with the club in anything other than a cheer-leading fashion (Mickey?? Blackpool Hibs??).

Name and shame Beefster!!:devil:

gegs70
13-02-2013, 01:48 PM
I tjink the only way forward is to put decent players in core positions then play the youngsters time to settle in. If they do well over 3-4 years magic and the club may get a transfer fee for them!

Baldy Foghorn
13-02-2013, 01:51 PM
This. After Monday, I am not going to Paisley as planned - and for the first time since moving up here in 2000, I am planning to watch the DUFC-Hibs game on the 24th in the golf club rather than attending.

So is the pre-requisite only going to matches if we are winning?

Whatever happened to through thick and thin:rolleyes:

hibeedonald
13-02-2013, 02:00 PM
Jesus Christ. Can't believe you wrote to the board over a defeat? Everyone was raving after we beat Aberdeen last week. Get over it, seriously, we will probably win against St Mirren.

Humo
13-02-2013, 02:08 PM
Jesus Christ. Can't believe you wrote to the board over a defeat? Everyone was raving after we beat Aberdeen last week. Get over it, seriously, we will probably win against St Mirren.

I think what the OP is getting at is that this entire season we have been winning down to luck and sparky, and now our luck has ran out and at the end of the season we wont have sparky and our only choice for forwards are youngsters with little experience (i think they need someone experienced as a partner if they are to be utilised) Paddy's pet Irish man Doyle who scores from luck and misses easy chances (e.g Monday and against hearts and Celtic) and an old waster who's shot slowly rolls across the floor slower than him!

Thecat23
13-02-2013, 02:19 PM
Jesus Christ. Can't believe you wrote to the board over a defeat? Everyone was raving after we beat Aberdeen last week. Get over it, seriously, we will probably win against St Mirren.

yeah lets forget about the tactics deployed, the way we were ran over, the lack of fire power, the worst we played in ages. Because we "might" beat St. Mirren. The OP concerns are all valid ones and it goes back a lot longer than the St Johnston game.

3pm
13-02-2013, 02:25 PM
So is the pre-requisite only going to matches if we are winning?

Whatever happened to through thick and thin:rolleyes:

Got a hotel ready for 'the final' though.

gegs70
13-02-2013, 02:32 PM
I tjink the only way forward is to put decent players in core positions then play the youngsters time to settle in. If they do well over 3-4 years magic and the club may get a transfer fee for them!

adhibs
13-02-2013, 02:35 PM
But thats my point its a roll of the dice, We are not in a position to hire top Proven Quality (even if we did would that work out) we got lucky with Tony Mowbray and to a lesser extent Alex McLeish (really heavily backed) and have hired some guys very much in that mould in Collins, Calderwood, And the others they have not worked out My contention is we will have to keep throwing the dice or Hire a Jimmy Calderwood, Jumbo Jim or a Bobby Williamson where you know exactly what you are getting

Apointing a manager is always a roll of the dice but it doesnt escape the fact that the board is guilty of making terrible decisions. Fenlon looked good on paper with the success he had in ireland, seeing if he can replicate that here is a gamble but due to previous disasterous apointments theres no room for error this time. I wasnt against previous apointments but if id known at the time falkirks fans feelings towards Hughes and Forrest fans against Calderwood I would have been. Both were massive mistakes that should never have happend and the board must take full blame. Id say Pataleinan lies between gamble/mistake. The fact we apointed 3 ex players in a row to me stinks of people who have no idea what there doing taking the easy option.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 02:41 PM
Apointing a manager is always a roll of the dice but it doesnt escape the fact that the board is guilty of making terrible decisions. Fenlon looked good on paper with the success he had in ireland, seeing if he can replicate that here is a gamble but due to previous disasterous apointments theres no room for error this time. I wasnt against previous apointments but if id known at the time falkirks fans feelings towards Hughes and Forrest fans against Calderwood I would have been. Both were massive mistakes that should never have happend and the board must take full blame. Id say Pataleinan lies between gamble/mistake. The fact we apointed 3 ex players in a row to me stinks of people who have no idea what there doing taking the easy option.

All easy to say if you dont know the other candidates though Surely ? There are always folk who seem to think making an appointment is a doddle, and just out of interest are you judging Fenlon as a mistake at this stage ?

Golden Bear
13-02-2013, 02:42 PM
Apointing a manager is always a roll of the dice but it doesnt escape the fact that the board is guilty of making terrible decisions. Fenlon looked good on paper with the success he had in ireland, seeing if he can replicate that here is a gamble but due to previous disasterous apointments theres no room for error this time. I wasnt against previous apointments but if id known at the time falkirks fans feelings towards Hughes and Forrest fans against Calderwood I would have been. Both were massive mistakes that should never have happend and the board must take full blame. Id say Pataleinan lies between gamble/mistake. The fact we apointed 3 ex players in a row to me stinks of people who have no idea what there doing taking the easy option.

But at the same time they were all popular appointments with "the fans."

St Johnstone are a club who seem to be fairly successful with their Managerial appointments, maybe we should be looking to them for future advice.

hibeedonald
13-02-2013, 02:50 PM
I think what the OP is getting at is that this entire season we have been winning down to luck and sparky, and now our luck has ran out and at the end of the season we wont have sparky and our only choice for forwards are youngsters with little experience (i think they need someone experienced as a partner if they are to be utilised) Paddy's pet Irish man Doyle who scores from luck and misses easy chances (e.g Monday and against hearts and Celtic) and an old waster who's shot slowly rolls across the floor slower than him!

Doyle scores from luck? I think you should go onto YouTube and watch his goals so far this season. I disagree with us being lucky to win all the time... 2-0 up v Inverness and Motherwell, I would say that's unlucky. Not to mention that game v Ross county where they scored there only attempt, and the game where Aberdeen beat us at home when we were by far the better team. Even the Hearts game at the start of the season we really should of taken all 3. It works both ways.

gegs70
13-02-2013, 02:55 PM
Apointing a manager is always a roll of the dice but it doesnt escape the fact that the board is guilty of making terrible decisions. Fenlon looked good on paper with the success he had in ireland, seeing if he can replicate that here is a gamble but due to previous disasterous apointments theres no room for error this time. I wasnt against previous apointments but if id known at the time falkirks fans feelings towards Hughes and Forrest fans against Calderwood I would have been. Both were massive mistakes that should never have happend and the board must take full blame. Id say Pataleinan lies between gamble/mistake. The fact we apointed 3 ex players in a row to me stinks of people who have no idea what there doing taking the easy option.

Patelainen did well after he left hibs, Collins left hibs under a cloud when he realised it was always going to be bargain basemnt player Collins aspirations were above hibs aspirations! So where do hibs want to be good run in the cup and top six is that what they are aiming at? Is that what we all want...perhaps that in its self is reason enough not to get a season ticket no ambition???

adhibs
13-02-2013, 03:00 PM
All easy to say if you dont know the other candidates though Surely ? There are always folk who seem to think making an appointment is a doddle, and just out of interest are you judging Fenlon as a mistake at this stage ?

I wouldnt say hes a mistake but hes got a lot to prove. I thought we'd kick on a bit from the cup win but monday just raised massive doubts and im losing hope to be honest. I dont think its a doddle but 3 failures in a row is bad enough, i just hope fenlon doesnt make it 4. How many failures should accept for every success? just now to me the ratios no good at all

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 03:07 PM
Patelainen did well after he left hibs, Collins left hibs under a cloud when he realised it was always going to be bargain basemnt player Collins aspirations were above hibs aspirations! So where do hibs want to be good run in the cup and top six is that what they are aiming at? Is that what we all want...perhaps that in its self is reason enough not to get a season ticket no ambition???

To be fair to Hibs on the Collins thing His Aspirations were pretty OTT :agree:

marinello59
13-02-2013, 03:15 PM
This. After Monday, I am not going to Paisley as planned - and for the first time since moving up here in 2000, I am planning to watch the DUFC-Hibs game on the 24th in the golf club rather than attending.

:hmmm:

LTYF.


:greengrin

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 03:15 PM
I wouldnt say hes a mistake but hes got a lot to prove. I thought we'd kick on a bit from the cup win but monday just raised massive doubts and im losing hope to be honest. I dont think its a doddle but 3 failures in a row is bad enough, i just hope fenlon doesnt make it 4. How many failures should accept for every success? just now to me the ratios no good at all

I agree its not good, But the question is how does that change ? the board are doing their best in the interest of the club/fans the biggest problem is We the fans all agree when looking for a manager we need to give a manager Time to make the big changes yet within months of getting the job there are "Fenlon out Butcher in" posts

Its my feeling that pat has done pretty much everything asked of him
1. Kept us up in the League we should be in
2. Progress in cup comps (ok didnt do great in the "Diddy Cup"
3. Move us forward which surely he has done the points tally for this season proves this
:agree:

Beefster
13-02-2013, 03:22 PM
I agree its not good, But the question is how does that change ? the board are doing their best in the interest of the club/fans the biggest problem is We the fans all agree when looking for a manager we need to give a manager Time to make the big changes yet within months of getting the job there are "Fenlon out Butcher in" posts

Its my feeling that pat has done pretty much everything asked of him
1. Kept us up in the League we should be in
2. Progress in cup comps (ok didnt do great in the "Diddy Cup"
3. Move us forward which surely he has done the points tally for this season proves this
:agree:

Whilst I agree with the other ones, when Fenlon took over we were 9th and the aim was getting into the top six. His performance in the league last season was as bad, if not worse, than Calderwood's.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 03:25 PM
Whilst I agree with the other ones, when Fenlon took over we were 9th and the aim was getting into the top six. His performance in the league last season was as bad, if not worse, than Calderwood's.

Was kinda giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one :greengrin

The Green Goblin
13-02-2013, 04:14 PM
What's unusual this year is how close everyone is in the table. A single result or goal difference final tally could be the difference between (eg) third and eighth place in the table come the end of the season. It's such a tiny margin, yet it will be how we and other clubs judge our season at the end. My point is we could yet end up in 3rd or 4th place (which would be a good result but doesn't mean we had a good season or that all is well) and equally we could end up in 9th place (which would be a bad result but we would actually be only very marginally worse than the teams above us, almost nothing in it). Strange really, and a bit frustrating, and I suspect that wherever we end up, the debate will rumble on as inconclusively as it has been so far.

IWasThere2016
13-02-2013, 04:16 PM
So is the pre-requisite only going to matches if we are winning?

Whatever happened to through thick and thin:rolleyes:

Of course - that's why I am a lifeling supporter of Hibs :greengrin

IWasThere2016
13-02-2013, 04:18 PM
Got a hotel ready for 'the final' though.

Positive thinking :wink:

3pm
13-02-2013, 04:39 PM
Positive thinking :wink:

It doesnae bother me one way or another whether you go mate. It's ironic though that Monday means you won't go to Paisley when you are quite open about going to a game that we are unlikely to be in!

IWasThere2016
13-02-2013, 04:42 PM
It doesnae bother me one way or another whether you go mate. It's ironic though that Monday means you won't go to Paisley when you are quite open about going to a game that we are unlikely to be in!

I will only be going if we are there - and I think most of us thought we were unlikely to be there last season! :pfgwa:

Ray_
13-02-2013, 04:43 PM
Agree the amount of money we have is down to this however I still don't think we are in a position to bring in assured success when we appoint a manager, so what do you propose ?

I don't sit in on the interviews, so why ask me? However, if my rate of appointed dud managers was as prolific as Hibs have been and they brought the same shambolic business performance results, I would have been needing to have taken an interview myself long before now.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 05:20 PM
I don't sit in on the interviews, so why ask me? However, if my rate of appointed dud managers was as prolific as Hibs have been and they brought the same shambolic business performance results, I would have been needing to have taken an interview myself long before now.

As i have said to others its fine slagging off the Tash/Our Boards record then Pulling "well its no my job to do it so i dinnie have to have ideas" its S*ite chat, Its no my job to do a lot of things but still have opinions (right or wrong) as to how i would go about making them better. As for the second part you wouldnt be going to interviews if the owner of the company you work for wants you AND ONLY YOU in charge of his company :wink:

I'm_cabbaged
13-02-2013, 05:35 PM
Jesus Christ. Can't believe you wrote to the board over a defeat? Everyone was raving after we beat Aberdeen last week. Get over it, seriously, we will probably win against St Mirren.

Raving last week? I certainly wasn't, we were pish then as well.

Barney McGrew
13-02-2013, 05:57 PM
I am planning to watch the DUFC-Hibs game on the 24th in the golf club rather than attending.

Is hospitality already full that day?

Beefster
13-02-2013, 08:38 PM
As i have said to others its fine slagging off the Tash/Our Boards record then Pulling "well its no my job to do it so i dinnie have to have ideas" its S*ite chat, Its no my job to do a lot of things but still have opinions (right or wrong) as to how i would go about making them better. As for the second part you wouldnt be going to interviews if the owner of the company you work for wants you AND ONLY YOU in charge of his company :wink:

I watched a documentary a few days ago about the Air France flight that crashed into the Atlantic a few years back. At the end, I thought "that pilot was ****ing useless" but I can't fly a plane.

Ray_
13-02-2013, 09:51 PM
As i have said to others its fine slagging off the Tash/Our Boards record then Pulling "well its no my job to do it so i dinnie have to have ideas" its S*ite chat, Its no my job to do a lot of things but still have opinions (right or wrong) as to how i would go about making them better. As for the second part you wouldnt be going to interviews if the owner of the company you work for wants you AND ONLY YOU in charge of his company :wink:

A big part of employing any manager for a key position would be research and interviews, giving an opinion without proper access to both is as relevant as believing you are the real deal after being successful playing football manager!

As for the second part, yes we all know Farmer wants Petrie and his defence for him during the 2011 shareholders meeting was clear enough, however, it doesn't make him right and it doesn't detract from the fact that if I had made so many poor decisions on key appointments I'd have been out of a job.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 10:20 PM
A big part of employing any manager for a key position would be research and interviews, giving an opinion without proper access to both is as relevant as believing you are the real deal after being successful playing football manager!

As for the second part, yes we all know Farmer wants Petrie and his defence for him during the 2011 shareholders meeting was clear enough, however, it doesn't make him right and it doesn't detract from the fact that if I had made so many poor decisions on key appointments I'd have been out of a job.

But you are giving an opinion :wink: you just are not saying how you feel hibs going forward could improve the process of getting a manager (i would have take something as simple as bringing in a consultant to sit in on Interviews) I understand that the track record has not been great i do actually get that But i still feel we have been unlucky as on a whole we the fans have been fairly happy with the Appointments at the time
As for the second point if regardless of your record of success at work if the money man believes you are the man to take the company forward YOU WILL HAVE A JOB, Sir Tom Loves Rod (so to speak) So Rod wont be going anywhere, Should he retire we will likely get Rod mark2

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 10:33 PM
I watched a documentary a few days ago about the Air France flight that crashed into the Atlantic a few years back. At the end, I thought "that pilot was ****ing useless" but I can't fly a plane.

Beefster I have not seen the Doc you speak of but, Though i can not fly a plane and trust your opinion the was "****ing Useless" i probably would have thought maybe they should train the pilots more/Have more testing/Better systems in place for problems ?
Just saying Rod's got it wrong 5 times get rid does not really deal with the issue what should we do to improve our interview process? Outsource it maybe ? im happy to hear ideas/or thoughts about how this could be improved but very few people on here give them just fire out throwaway lines, My favorite being "its time for STF to sell up" to Which i always ask To Who ?
Also there is the unknown factor of Maybe we have actually hired the best available each time

The Modfather
13-02-2013, 10:48 PM
But you are giving an opinion :wink: you just are not saying how you fell hibs going forward could improve the process of getting a manager (i would have take something as simple as bringing in a consultant to sit in on Interviews) I understand that the track record has not been great i do actually get that But i still feel we have been unlucky as on a whole we the fans have been fairly happy with the Appointments at the time


Petrie is paid, very handsomely, to make the right choices not the popular choices. Otherwise why don't we just save his wage and have a vote on the official site.

None of us know the intricacies of the recruitment process, other than whatever he's doing hasn't/isn't working. My best guess, given the common denominator, is that Petrie is the problem rather than the process. He is the only untouchable at Hibs and my opinion is that he's actually one of (if not the) main problems.

CropleyWasGod
13-02-2013, 10:48 PM
Petrie is paid, very handsomely, to make the right choices not the popular choices. Otherwise why don't we just save his wage and have a vote on the official site.

None of us know the intricacies of the recruitment process, other than whatever he's doing hasn't/isn't working. My best guess, given the common denominator, is that Petrie is the problem rather than the process. He is the only untouchable at Hibs and my opinion is that he's actually one of (if not the) main problems.

Don't think he is.

cocopops1875
13-02-2013, 10:53 PM
Don't think he is.

and certainly not handsomely :greengrin

down-the-slope
14-02-2013, 09:22 AM
Petrie is paid, very handsomely, to make the right choices not the popular choices. Otherwise why don't we just save his wage and have a vote on the official site.

None of us know the intricacies of the recruitment process, other than whatever he's doing hasn't/isn't working. My best guess, given the common denominator, is that Petrie is the problem rather than the process. He is the only untouchable at Hibs and my opinion is that he's actually one of (if not the) main problems.

if its said often enough it will become true :rolleyes:

while thread seems to have gone of piste ......regarding appointments / process etc. I do know that respected people in the game were consulted as part of the appointment of CC - their perceived wisdom was that it would be a coup getting him to come to the SPL as he was so highly regarded.....

Ray_
14-02-2013, 09:34 AM
if its said often enough it will become true :rolleyes:

while thread seems to have gone of piste ......regarding appointments / process etc. I do know that respected people in the game were consulted as part of the appointment of CC - their perceived wisdom was that it would be a coup getting him to come to the SPL as he was so highly regarded.....

And when it became obvious to all [bar one] that it wasn't much of a coup after all & the individual wasn't as dedicated as you would expect and we could actually get cash rather than paying him off...............

dangermouse
14-02-2013, 09:52 AM
An open letter to the board ending in a veiled threat.

Isn't this all a bit Jambo-tastic?

And, as all your concerns are football related and relate to the past few weeks, and you were happy with the football that this same group (indeed, I'd say the playing pool has - granted, very much theoretically at the moment - improved since the January window) produced earlier in the season, shouldn't your letter be addressed to Pat Fenlon and the playing squad?

If in doubt, blame Rod Petrie I guess.

This is most certainly NOT an open letter and the Jambo reference is uncalled for


Indeed Sir I agree, I would much prefer the board do important board related stuff than waste days reading and responding to this kind of p**h just sayin

So convincing potential non renewals to renew isn't important?


Knee jerk.

Hardly, in case you haven't noticed we've gone from a team topping the league to one who can't take their chances to regain ground and now playing like relegation fodder.


Dear DangerMouse

We understand that much like Brian Kerr you are a fictional character and as such your views hold little sway with us. Keep buying the season tickets though.

Regards

The Board

PS. Tell Penfold we think he's a ****.

Made me smile


I would have had more respect for the whole letter situation had it not have been posted on here :agree: i feel the same as everyone and am gutted but the way we seem to contstantly under perform but cant see why a letter telling them what the know will help and i really cant see what the Board had to do with Mondays shambles or for that matter any of the last 10 games. I believe the Board have very much delivered in terms of signings and this can only fall at the feet of Pat and the Players who i still believe in

I'd hope the board make the manager aware of fans feelings when they get these sort of letters. The reason I sent it was I want to hear the boards views on how we have become what appears to be the worst team in the league recently. I want them to convince me to sign up for next season


Agree with this. If you want a write a letter, fine. Appointing yourself as some kind of fans' spokesperson though is just a bit pathetic.

I'm not a fans spokesperson just letting the board know that it was in the public domain as I'm pretty sure there are many more fans out there feeling the same way. I want a considered reply not a stock "thanks for the letter but give me your money" one.


Jesus Christ. Can't believe you wrote to the board over a defeat? Everyone was raving after we beat Aberdeen last week. Get over it, seriously, we will probably win against St Mirren.

Our win over Aberdeen was hardly convincing and although the goal was something special it could have also ended up in row Z. We are shooting from that distance because teams have sussed us out and don't give us any room to play. We are hassled and harried off the ball closed down quickly and the team don't know how to come other than hoofing up to our "giant" striker in the vain home he'll work a bit of magic with it.

I'm glad you think we'll beat St Mirren, I'll be there but not expecting to come home with 3 points.


Despite being so pissed off on Monday night my son persuaded me to go to Newtongrange to watch the under 20 match. Although the final score was 4 - 1 in Motherwell's favour the team played reasonably well and should have scored more and won the game. Pa Kujabi was in the team at left midfield and it saddens me to see a player who was a fans favourite when he first arrived to have stooped so low. Constantly being told where to play by young laddies he looked like a fish out of water. His confidence must be at an all time low. Here is hoping that never happens to a Hibs player again.

Captain Trips
14-02-2013, 09:53 AM
Beefster I have not seen the Doc you speak of but, Though i can not fly a plane and trust your opinion the was "****ing Useless" i probably would have thought maybe they should train the pilots more/Have more testing/Better systems in place for problems ?
Just saying Rod's got it wrong 5 times get rid does not really deal with the issue what should we do to improve our interview process? Outsource it maybe ? im happy to hear ideas/or thoughts about how this could be improved but very few people on here give them just fire out throwaway lines, My favorite being "its time for STF to sell up" to Which i always ask To Who ?
Also there is the unknown factor of Maybe we have actually hired the best available each time

After 10 years RP should be getting better at picking managers not worse, he has done good early on in his time but for me a lot of that work is getting undone with more football decisions he has got wrong. The good times under Eck and later Mowbray when we did throw a bit more money than most and were lucky enough to have a good bunch of players come through. Since those times things have levelled off and Hibs have came right back into a lot of the same restrictions just about all the SPL club have probably since 2007 and TBH we have been found wanting since.

I expect Hibs to have an off season here and there but not off to an 11th place and a 10th, the crowds are dropping the results though better this term are still dropping from his early tenure. He really should have walked with CC he made to massive errors in judgement that have cost Hibs time, money and support and left PF a far harder task than what he should or could have. I do not know the inner workings of board etc all I know is RP is/was involved in selecting managers this has been a massive issue over last five years and to many mistakes for me have been made. He shouldnt need a consultant etc he should be able to select people correctly, he hasnt and shouldnt have anymore to do with us.

Captain Trips
14-02-2013, 10:01 AM
And when it became obvious to all [bar one] that it wasn't much of a coup after all & the individual wasn't as dedicated as you would expect and we could actually get cash rather than paying him off...............

Nutshell, yes fine on day one maybe folk did think it was a coup however it wasnt that way in summer though, we got to see CC for 6/7 mths and it at that juncture looked like it was anything other than a coup the fact that RP after what we saw that season thought he was still fit for job shows something in him not fit for purpose. Not letting CC leave was a monumental mistake and IMHO was down to RP not wanting to look stupid and hoping he turned it round, it was a disaster of a gamble and should have met with resignation.

Speedway
14-02-2013, 10:07 AM
Dear Dm,

You of all people should know that writing a letter to Baron Greenback is futile in the extreme.

cocopops1875
14-02-2013, 11:05 AM
And when it became obvious to all [bar one] that it wasn't much of a coup after all & the individual wasn't as dedicated as you would expect and we could actually get cash rather than paying him off...............

On this Ray I completely agree

sesoim
16-02-2013, 12:53 AM
would Alex ferguson do better given our budget ?


Erm, yes.

And considering probably 10 of the other 11 managers in the SPL have already got a similar or smaller budget, I think most of them would as well.

sesoim
16-02-2013, 12:58 AM
Don't think he is.



If he (Petrie) isn't (paid well), why doesn't he do us all a favour?

Then maybe we might get someone in charge who knows how to pick good managers (Mowbray excepted).

NAE NOOKIE
16-02-2013, 05:52 AM
4:49 A.M. ........... Insomnia rocks !!!!

Anyway:

I suppose if guys like Dangermouse post their thoughts on here it lays them open to criticism from those who think that after watching a performance like Monday night its better just to shut up and say nothing.

If the idea behind that is to ensure that the club we support continues in its decades long journey of underachievement and for the most part abject failure, then thats fine.

I went to my first match in 1975 and have tried my best to follow the club ( I mean by attending matches ) since then. Especially in the last 15 to 20 years. During which time I have probably missed about 5 of Hibs home matches. Even through a number of tragic events in my personal life and a lot of the folk I used to go with no longer going to ER for different reasons I have stuck by the club.

As usual last Monday night me and 4 other folk drove from the Borders up to ER in the hope that Hibs ( to put it kindly ) stuttering performances of the last 2 to 3 months could be overcome .... especially with the incentive of going joint second and the fear of entering a real slide if defeated to spur the lads on.

I dont have to say anything else about that apart from to say that at half time ( we were playing St Johnstone, not Celtic ) we were 28/1 to win the game 3 - 2 ........ Unbelievable odds for a team at home ....... even then I kept my money in my pocket.

In my opinion ... some folk on here and some folk running ( and owning ) the Hibs appear to be buying into the old 'we are a work in progress' bollox.

That ship hasnt just sailed ... it has outlived its useful life and was broken up for razor blades months ago.

Wake up folks ...... a lot of supporters of this club just dont want to hear the same tired old tat trotted out time after time after time .... I and by the look of it a hell of a lot of other Hibs supporters just dont want to hear it any more. Its time to stop talking and start winning.

Even after Hampden an amazing number of fans stuck by this club ..... Our efforts on the park in the last few months have been poor at best .... our efforts ( ha ha ) last Monday night were nothing short of an insult to the long suffering folk who have stuck by the club.

I would consider myself a die hard supporter ...... I have scolded folk on this site before for being too quick to give in when the going got tough and for ( it seemed to me ) trying to encourage folk to stop going.

My incentive for supporting Hibs was never, and is not now, to follow a club who win sacks full of titles and cups and qualify for Europe every season ........... But c'mon folks !!! ......... 2 league cups in 37 years from arguably the 4th biggest club in Scotland is nothing short of pathetic.

No ...... sorry folks ........ but as I walked away from ER last Monday night I really began to question my commitment to the club. At the end of this month I will be 53 years old ... I'm overweight, not very fit and frankly a bit tired. Can I really see myself driving a round trip of 75 odd miles on a freezing cold Monday night a few years from now, just to once again watch the team I love be outmatched and out fought by a club who theoretically they should be streets ahead of. ...... Thats the question I am now asking myself.

I would never say to anybody " stop watching the Hibs " and this is not a rant trying to tell people they are daft for going to watch the club.

But last season following the new year derby ( and not a few Jaeger Bombs I admit ) my partner picked me up from the pub in Gala to find me in floods of tears in a drunken rant about why the F do Hibs continually let me down in derby matches ... this from a ( at that time ) 51 year old man. How was I to know that just over a year later the club I have given so much time, effort, money and devotion to over 37 odd years would deliver me ( and you ) the ultimate kick in the nads ever delivered by any sports team to its followers.

Nah .... sorry, but if the club and certain sections of its support think that now is the time to be patient and forgiving with results and performances like last Monday night .... then they are frankly mental.

STF ..... As a saviour of football clubs ............................... 10/10

As an owner of a football club ................ 2/10 ...... the 2 is for the nice stadium which our opponents seem to like playing in so much.

Rant over .... posted through sadness ..... not anger.

Hibrandenburg
16-02-2013, 06:23 AM
4:49 A.M. ........... Insomnia rocks !!!!

Anyway:

I suppose if guys like Dangermouse post their thoughts on here it lays them open to criticism from those who think that after watching a performance like Monday night its better just to shut up and say nothing.

If the idea behind that is to ensure that the club we support continues in its decades long journey of underachievement and for the most part abject failure, then thats fine.

I went to my first match in 1975 and have tried my best to follow the club ( I mean by attending matches ) since then. Especially in the last 15 to 20 years. During which time I have probably missed about 5 of Hibs home matches. Even through a number of tragic events in my personal life and a lot of the folk I used to go with no longer going to ER for different reasons I have stuck by the club.

As usual last Monday night me and 4 other folk drove from the Borders up to ER in the hope that Hibs ( to put it kindly ) stuttering performances of the last 2 to 3 months could be overcome .... especially with the incentive of going joint second and the fear of entering a real slide if defeated to spur the lads on.

I dont have to say anything else about that apart from to say that at half time ( we were playing St Johnstone, not Celtic ) we were 28/1 to win the game 3 - 2 ........ Unbelievable odds for a team at home ....... even then I kept my money in my pocket.

In my opinion ... some folk on here and some folk running ( and owning ) the Hibs appear to be buying into the old 'we are a work in progress' bollox.

That ship hasnt just sailed ... it has outlived its useful life and was broken up for razor blades months ago.

Wake up folks ...... a lot of supporters of this club just dont want to hear the same tired old tat trotted out time after time after time .... I and by the look of it a hell of a lot of other Hibs supporters just dont want to hear it any more. Its time to stop talking and start winning.

Even after Hampden an amazing number of fans stuck by this club ..... Our efforts on the park in the last few months have been poor at best .... our efforts ( ha ha ) last Monday night were nothing short of an insult to the long suffering folk who have stuck by the club.

I would consider myself a die hard supporter ...... I have scolded folk on this site before for being too quick to give in when the going got tough and for ( it seemed to me ) trying to encourage folk to stop going.

My incentive for supporting Hibs was never, and is not now, to follow a club who win sacks full of titles and cups and qualify for Europe every season ........... But c'mon folks !!! ......... 2 league cups in 37 years from arguably the 4th biggest club in Scotland is nothing short of pathetic.

No ...... sorry folks ........ but as I walked away from ER last Monday night I really began to question my commitment to the club. At the end of this month I will be 53 years old ... I'm overweight, not very fit and frankly a bit tired. Can I really see myself driving a round trip of 75 odd miles on a freezing cold Monday night a few years from now, just to once again watch the team I love be outmatched and out fought by a club who theoretically they should be streets ahead of. ...... Thats the question I am now asking myself.

I would never say to anybody " stop watching the Hibs " and this is not a rant trying to tell people they are daft for going to watch the club.

But last season following the new year derby ( and not a few Jaeger Bombs I admit ) my partner picked me up from the pub in Gala to find me in floods of tears in a drunken rant about why the F do Hibs continually let me down in derby matches ... this from a ( at that time ) 51 year old man. How was I to know that just over a year later the club I have given so much time, effort, money and devotion to over 37 odd years would deliver me ( and you ) the ultimate kick in the nads ever delivered by any sports team to its followers.

Nah .... sorry, but if the club and certain sections of its support think that now is the time to be patient and forgiving with results and performances like last Monday night .... then they are frankly mental.

STF ..... As a saviour of football clubs ............................... 10/10

As an owner of a football club ................ 2/10 ...... the 2 is for the nice stadium which our opponents seem to like playing in so much.

Rant over .... posted through sadness ..... not anger.
Wow, no wonder you can't sleep, that was passionate. Don't agree with a lot of what you said but certainly felt it.

Me, I'm awake due to an EMH that would cut diamonds.

cocopops1875
16-02-2013, 06:29 AM
Wow, no wonder you can't sleep, that was passionate. Don't agree with a lot of what you said but certainly felt it.

Me, I'm awake due to an EMH that would cut diamonds.

What the f*** is a diamond cutting EMH ? Sounds sair

cocopops1875
16-02-2013, 06:38 AM
Erm, yes.

And considering probably 10 of the other 11 managers in the SPL have already got a similar or smaller budget, I think most of them would as well.
You lost the point at "think" also just out of point only 5 other managers are above us in the table as we speak

CRAZYHIBBY
16-02-2013, 08:28 AM
You can write as many letters as you like but if fans dont go to the games then there wont be money to buy players..........hence why we sign the ***** we do

Ray_
16-02-2013, 09:09 AM
You can write as many letters as you like but if fans dont go to the games then there wont be money to buy players..........hence why we sign the ***** we do

It wasn't that long ago that the fans were spending record amounts of cash, not only through the gates, but also with merchandising and hospitality, they were rewarded with five years of dramatic decline and some of the most mind numbing boring football ever witnessed inside ER. we still bring in more than a vast majority of the clubs in the SPL, where has it got us?

hibsmad
16-02-2013, 09:21 AM
You can write as many letters as you like but if fans dont go to the games then there wont be money to buy players..........hence why we sign the ***** we do

Average attendance this season:

Hibs - 10,692
St Johnstone - 3,791

Maybe crowds of 10-11k don't allow us to sign the kind of players that we would all love to see but at the very least, if we are resorted to buying *****, then it should be far better ***** than teams like St Johnstone.

We should be consistently beating teams like St Johnstone, Inverness, St Mirren, Ross County etc. To struggle in matches against sides like this for so long is a sign of massive underachievement for a club like ours.

Phil D. Rolls
16-02-2013, 09:27 AM
Looks like I forgot to click on the submit new thread button yesterday.

I'm not one for castigating the team or the manager. I have stood by and offered my support to both the players and the management team more in blind faith than anything else.

However, last night finally tipped me over the edge and I questioned myself if I should renew my season ticket later this year. Once my anger at the way we were beaten subsided I sent this to the board. I'll post the reply when I get one.

Dear board members,

I attended Easter Road last night for the visit of St Johnstone to once again watch my team get bossed and bullied all over the park with the game ending in a humiliating defeat. Not so long ago we were proudly sitting top of the league and scoring goals for fun but since our visit to Dens Park it has all gone horribly wrong (with the odd exception).

The team used to fight for each other when up against it now the body language of the players shows they are looking for a team mate to blame when things go wrong. Last night was no exception as the defence stood like statues to allow St Johnstone to open the scoring. You would think the penalty save would give the team the lift they needed but it wasn't long before they were back to chasing shadows.

Where has it all gone wrong? My son was with me last night and after the game said the most exciting part of the evening was the 10 second challenge but even that was a shambles as the fourth lad in the group never got to take his third attempt to score. My son also said of the result he was embarrassed to be a Hibs fan last night, strong words from a 15 year old.

As our game had been moved to Monday night, I took the opportunity of going along to Meadowbank on Saturday to watch Edinburgh City against Edinburgh University. Night and day compared to what was on offer last night. Four excellent goals, passing football, a joy to watch and only a fiver to get in.

I am a Hibs fan and when season ticket renewal comes round I always take advantage of the early bird offer for two reasons. Firstly it offers me and my son very good value for money and secondly always answers you call for our manager to know well in advance what his budget for the coming year will be.

My question to the board is after last night's debacle, why should I bother to renew my season ticket?

Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see.


I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,

Nice try, you need to be putting a few more phrases in CAPITAL LETTERS. Also, you are not running enough sentences together. What has really led to you failing this time: is the absence of any sort of death threat; failure to refer to our "famous and glorious club"; not telling them you KNOW WHERE THEY LIVE; and a disappointing lack of pretending to respect humbly the thoughts of someone you are ordering to do something.

Nice touch with the forelock tugging close though.

LTYF :greengrin

Newhaven
16-02-2013, 09:38 AM
Average attendance this season:

Hibs - 10,692
St Johnstone - 3,791

Maybe crowds of 10-11k don't allow us to sign the kind of players that we would all love to see but at the very least, if we are resorted to buying *****, then it should be far better ***** than teams like St Johnstone.

We should be consistently beating teams like St Johnstone, Inverness, St Mirren, Ross County etc. To struggle in matches against sides like this for so long is a sign of massive underachievement for a club like ours.

:top marks

MrSmith
16-02-2013, 10:23 AM
We should be consistently beating teams like St Johnstone, Inverness, St Mirren, Ross County etc. To struggle in matches against sides like this for so long is a sign of massive underachievement for a club like ours.

Or maybe its down to poor preperation and identification of/for decent players before/during transfer window time. Always last option at last minute! Need to do better with this!

gegs70
16-02-2013, 10:25 AM
We were trying to work where the problem is...is it Pat for buying crap players like Kuqi? Is there something up with his training or tactics?

Are we not investing enough money in good professionals who can mentor our young players?

Is the fans fault should we be paying more and should we accept this maybe wont get much better?

Is next season going to be any better?

MrSmith
16-02-2013, 10:34 AM
We were trying to work where the problem is...is it Pat for buying crap players like Kuqi? Is there something up with his training or tactics?

Are we not investing enough money in good professionals who can mentor our young players?

Is the fans fault should we be paying more and should we accept this maybe wont get much better?

Is next season going to be any better?


Maybe for expecting better but absolutely not!

Pat still learning how the SPL works so, for me, he's done a reasonable job thus far and will continue to get my support for the foreseeable. As I said in my previous post, a lot of it, in my view, is down to how we do business during the transfer windows.

Beefster
16-02-2013, 10:47 AM
Maybe for expecting better but absolutely not!

Pat still learning how the SPL works so, for me, he's done a reasonable job thus far and will continue to get my support for the foreseeable. As I said in my previous post, a lot of it, in my view, is down to how we do business during the transfer windows.

You have a point with the rest but the SPL works like football everywhere. Fenlon has been watching Celtic for years too so its not like he'd never seen the SPL before becoming our manager.

MrSmith
16-02-2013, 10:58 AM
You have a point with the rest but the SPL works like football everywhere. Fenlon has been watching Celtic for years too so its not like he'd never seen the SPL before becoming our manager.


Yep I get that and should have been more specific. I mean player types and how other teams in the SPL engage. Watching Celtic in isolation wouldn't give him much of a realistic heads up considering their budget, scouting network and player type.

Emerald
16-02-2013, 10:59 AM
Maybe for expecting better but absolutely not!

Pat still learning how the SPL works so, for me, he's done a reasonable job thus far and will continue to get my support for the foreseeable. As I said in my previous post, a lot of it, in my view, is down to how we do business during the transfer windows.

This is the point. A club like Hibs should never be in a position where they appoint a manager who after 14 months is still learning how the SPL works. They should be appointing someone who can hit the ground running on day one and improve us.

smurf
16-02-2013, 11:19 AM
Average attendance this season:

Hibs - 10,692
St Johnstone - 3,791

Maybe crowds of 10-11k don't allow us to sign the kind of players that we would all love to see but at the very least, if we are resorted to buying *****, then it should be far better ***** than teams like St Johnstone.

We should be consistently beating teams like St Johnstone, Inverness, St Mirren, Ross County etc. To struggle in matches against sides like this for so long is a sign of massive underachievement for a club like ours.

Great post. Exposes the nonsense that it's fans not buying season tickets holding us back.

lord bunberry
16-02-2013, 11:25 AM
You have a point with the rest but the SPL works like football everywhere. Fenlon has been watching Celtic for years too so its not like he'd never seen the SPL before becoming our manager.

Maybe that's why we are unbeaten against celtic. I wish he had watched the other teams as much

Hibeesforever
16-02-2013, 11:28 AM
Thread author's comments are totally correct. The Hibs support wants success today- it suits the board perfectly to always promise that things will be better in the future.
As one of the posters said Sir Tom Farmer is anuundeniable legend but what is the point of building state of the art facilities if they are only for visiting teams to embarrass us.
Big game in Paisley, I will be there because I care and am looking for success today not sometime into the yet to be determined future.

Brizo
16-02-2013, 11:39 AM
Average attendance this season:

Hibs - 10,692
St Johnstone - 3,791

Maybe crowds of 10-11k don't allow us to sign the kind of players that we would all love to see but at the very least, if we are resorted to buying *****, then it should be far better ***** than teams like St Johnstone.

We should be consistently beating teams like St Johnstone, Inverness, St Mirren, Ross County etc. To struggle in matches against sides like this for so long is a sign of massive underachievement for a club like ours.

:agree:

This makes economic sense to me anyway. While a number of SPL clubs are punching above their financial weight we are punching below ours and have been for a number of seasons.

Dont pretend to know what the solution is but the problem predates Fenlon and extends back to previous managers. Is it that all managers from JC onwards have either "bought" poorly or when "buying " well failed to get the best out of their resources. Ive genuinely been optimistic with all our managerial appointments but as im sure another poster said you can only have so many works in progress/ transitional periods.

i feel we need to stick with PF for consistency and stability reasons altho appreciate thats not much of an endorsement. Another three months of Bertie Auld / Alex Miller (the bad years) fitba however and if ST renewals tumble i think we all know the outcome for PF.

As for the OP he seems to be getting a lot of stick for telling the Board he was posting his letter on here. Without having read the thread in full maybe hes seen so many other threads on here and the bounce where people have complained about getting stock identikit replies to their letters.

Many previous Chairmen like Dougie Cromb and Tom O'Malley would give fans specific replies to letters. In the current Boards defence maybe their fear is that in this social media era any private reply to a fan can easily become public and can then be cherrypicked and misconstrued by others including the media... or maybe all they care about is getting our ST or walk up cash :rolleyes:

Emerald
16-02-2013, 11:51 AM
:agree:

This makes economic sense to me anyway. While a number of SPL clubs are punching above their financial weight we are punching below ours and have been for a number of seasons.

Dont pretend to know what the solution is but the problem predates Fenlon and extends back to previous managers. Is it that all managers from JC onwards have either "bought" poorly or when "buying " well failed to get the best out of their resources. Ive genuinely been optimistic with all our managerial appointments but as im sure another poster said you can only have so many works in progress/ transitional periods.

i feel we need to stick with PF for consistency and stability reasons altho appreciate thats not much of an endorsement. Another three months of Bertie Auld / Alex Miller (the bad years) fitba however and if ST renewals tumble i think we all know the outcome for PF.

As for the OP he seems to be getting a lot of stick for telling the Board he was posting his letter on here. Without having read the thread in full maybe hes seen so many other threads on here and the bounce where people have complained about getting stock identikit replies to their letters.

Many previous Chairmen like Dougie Cromb and Tom O'Malley would give fans specific replies to letters. In the current Boards defence maybe their fear is that in this social media era any private reply to a fan can easily become public and can then be cherrypicked and misconstrued by others including the media... or maybe all they care about is getting our ST or walk up cash :rolleyes:

Pat Fenlon HAS to improve the performances from now until the end of the season. I don't know how he will do that but it HAS to be done. Supporters need to see a plan and style of play that will get them to part with their money. If the team plods on in the same vein for the rest of the season, I can see a massive drop in ST sales and that would be a disaster. Whatever he's been trying to do to stabilise our position will have to evolve into a much better product quickly, he needs to get it right in the next few months or we really will have a problem. Folk can find other ways to spend their cash in these tight times. We live in hope.

Sammy7nil
16-02-2013, 12:20 PM
4:49 A.M. ........... Insomnia rocks !!!!

Anyway:

I suppose if guys like Dangermouse post their thoughts on here it lays them open to criticism from those who think that after watching a performance like Monday night its better just to shut up and say nothing.

If the idea behind that is to ensure that the club we support continues in its decades long journey of underachievement and for the most part abject failure, then thats fine.

I went to my first match in 1975 and have tried my best to follow the club ( I mean by attending matches ) since then. Especially in the last 15 to 20 years. During which time I have probably missed about 5 of Hibs home matches. Even through a number of tragic events in my personal life and a lot of the folk I used to go with no longer going to ER for different reasons I have stuck by the club.

As usual last Monday night me and 4 other folk drove from the Borders up to ER in the hope that Hibs ( to put it kindly ) stuttering performances of the last 2 to 3 months could be overcome .... especially with the incentive of going joint second and the fear of entering a real slide if defeated to spur the lads on.

I dont have to say anything else about that apart from to say that at half time ( we were playing St Johnstone, not Celtic ) we were 28/1 to win the game 3 - 2 ........ Unbelievable odds for a team at home ....... even then I kept my money in my pocket.

In my opinion ... some folk on here and some folk running ( and owning ) the Hibs appear to be buying into the old 'we are a work in progress' bollox.

That ship hasnt just sailed ... it has outlived its useful life and was broken up for razor blades months ago.

Wake up folks ...... a lot of supporters of this club just dont want to hear the same tired old tat trotted out time after time after time .... I and by the look of it a hell of a lot of other Hibs supporters just dont want to hear it any more. Its time to stop talking and start winning.

Even after Hampden an amazing number of fans stuck by this club ..... Our efforts on the park in the last few months have been poor at best .... our efforts ( ha ha ) last Monday night were nothing short of an insult to the long suffering folk who have stuck by the club.

I would consider myself a die hard supporter ...... I have scolded folk on this site before for being too quick to give in when the going got tough and for ( it seemed to me ) trying to encourage folk to stop going.

My incentive for supporting Hibs was never, and is not now, to follow a club who win sacks full of titles and cups and qualify for Europe every season ........... But c'mon folks !!! ......... 2 league cups in 37 years from arguably the 4th biggest club in Scotland is nothing short of pathetic.

No ...... sorry folks ........ but as I walked away from ER last Monday night I really began to question my commitment to the club. At the end of this month I will be 53 years old ... I'm overweight, not very fit and frankly a bit tired. Can I really see myself driving a round trip of 75 odd miles on a freezing cold Monday night a few years from now, just to once again watch the team I love be outmatched and out fought by a club who theoretically they should be streets ahead of. ...... Thats the question I am now asking myself.

I would never say to anybody " stop watching the Hibs " and this is not a rant trying to tell people they are daft for going to watch the club.

But last season following the new year derby ( and not a few Jaeger Bombs I admit ) my partner picked me up from the pub in Gala to find me in floods of tears in a drunken rant about why the F do Hibs continually let me down in derby matches ... this from a ( at that time ) 51 year old man. How was I to know that just over a year later the club I have given so much time, effort, money and devotion to over 37 odd years would deliver me ( and you ) the ultimate kick in the nads ever delivered by any sports team to its followers.

Nah .... sorry, but if the club and certain sections of its support think that now is the time to be patient and forgiving with results and performances like last Monday night .... then they are frankly mental.

STF ..... As a saviour of football clubs ............................... 10/10

As an owner of a football club ................ 2/10 ...... the 2 is for the nice stadium which our opponents seem to like playing in so much.

Rant over .... posted through sadness ..... not anger.

I recognise and agree with a lot of what you say (same age group) Hibs have disappointed me for nearly 50 years with the exception of maybe 7 or 8 seasons. I too am a sad man :greengrin about Hibs that is.

I would never have thought it would be easy missing Hibs games but in the last 2 years I seldom go along. Prior to that I was season ticket holder longer than I can remember I also went to more away games than I missed during Millers time went to every away game and never saw a win.

The poor quality has driven me away I don't mind losing a few games we should have won so long as you can see efffort, teamwork and some skill. When I do go now I am simply reminded why I dont have a season ticket. When Mowbray was the manager there was about 18 in our group going to ER all ST holders of that 18 currently 4 have ST's.

Hibs are losing long standing fans and the youngsters are not so keen to goalong. Something has to change. I think the club should make a clear vision statement about style of play and our long term aims in an attempt to get fans the fans to start caring about the team again.

Hibs should always aim to play "football" and win games none of this trying to avoid defeat and hoping to scramble a win. That alone would bring some fans back the current team is murder to watch everyone is shackled and scared or incapable of creativity.

Don't know what am trying to say other than lets get back to playing football even a losing Hibs team that tried to play football would attract more fans.

Golden Bear
16-02-2013, 02:03 PM
4:49 A.M. ........... Insomnia rocks !!!!

Anyway:

I suppose if guys like Dangermouse post their thoughts on here it lays them open to criticism from those who think that after watching a performance like Monday night its better just to shut up and say nothing.

If the idea behind that is to ensure that the club we support continues in its decades long journey of underachievement and for the most part abject failure, then thats fine.

I went to my first match in 1975 and have tried my best to follow the club ( I mean by attending matches ) since then. Especially in the last 15 to 20 years. During which time I have probably missed about 5 of Hibs home matches. Even through a number of tragic events in my personal life and a lot of the folk I used to go with no longer going to ER for different reasons I have stuck by the club.

As usual last Monday night me and 4 other folk drove from the Borders up to ER in the hope that Hibs ( to put it kindly ) stuttering performances of the last 2 to 3 months could be overcome .... especially with the incentive of going joint second and the fear of entering a real slide if defeated to spur the lads on.

I dont have to say anything else about that apart from to say that at half time ( we were playing St Johnstone, not Celtic ) we were 28/1 to win the game 3 - 2 ........ Unbelievable odds for a team at home ....... even then I kept my money in my pocket.

In my opinion ... some folk on here and some folk running ( and owning ) the Hibs appear to be buying into the old 'we are a work in progress' bollox.

That ship hasnt just sailed ... it has outlived its useful life and was broken up for razor blades months ago.

Wake up folks ...... a lot of supporters of this club just dont want to hear the same tired old tat trotted out time after time after time .... I and by the look of it a hell of a lot of other Hibs supporters just dont want to hear it any more. Its time to stop talking and start winning.

Even after Hampden an amazing number of fans stuck by this club ..... Our efforts on the park in the last few months have been poor at best .... our efforts ( ha ha ) last Monday night were nothing short of an insult to the long suffering folk who have stuck by the club.

I would consider myself a die hard supporter ...... I have scolded folk on this site before for being too quick to give in when the going got tough and for ( it seemed to me ) trying to encourage folk to stop going.

My incentive for supporting Hibs was never, and is not now, to follow a club who win sacks full of titles and cups and qualify for Europe every season ........... But c'mon folks !!! ......... 2 league cups in 37 years from arguably the 4th biggest club in Scotland is nothing short of pathetic.

No ...... sorry folks ........ but as I walked away from ER last Monday night I really began to question my commitment to the club. At the end of this month I will be 53 years old ... I'm overweight, not very fit and frankly a bit tired. Can I really see myself driving a round trip of 75 odd miles on a freezing cold Monday night a few years from now, just to once again watch the team I love be outmatched and out fought by a club who theoretically they should be streets ahead of. ...... Thats the question I am now asking myself.

I would never say to anybody " stop watching the Hibs " and this is not a rant trying to tell people they are daft for going to watch the club.

But last season following the new year derby ( and not a few Jaeger Bombs I admit ) my partner picked me up from the pub in Gala to find me in floods of tears in a drunken rant about why the F do Hibs continually let me down in derby matches ... this from a ( at that time ) 51 year old man. How was I to know that just over a year later the club I have given so much time, effort, money and devotion to over 37 odd years would deliver me ( and you ) the ultimate kick in the nads ever delivered by any sports team to its followers.

Nah .... sorry, but if the club and certain sections of its support think that now is the time to be patient and forgiving with results and performances like last Monday night .... then they are frankly mental.

STF ..... As a saviour of football clubs ............................... 10/10

As an owner of a football club ................ 2/10 ...... the 2 is for the nice stadium which our opponents seem to like playing in so much.

Rant over .... posted through sadness ..... not anger.


Excellent, absolutely excellent and sums up exactly why I'm on Hibs net at 2.05 on a Saturday afternoon as opposed to following my team to Paisley.

The Green Goblin
16-02-2013, 02:34 PM
4:49 A.M. ........... Insomnia rocks !!!!

Anyway:

I suppose if guys like Dangermouse post their thoughts on here it lays them open to criticism from those who think that after watching a performance like Monday night its better just to shut up and say nothing.

If the idea behind that is to ensure that the club we support continues in its decades long journey of underachievement and for the most part abject failure, then thats fine.

I went to my first match in 1975 and have tried my best to follow the club ( I mean by attending matches ) since then. Especially in the last 15 to 20 years. During which time I have probably missed about 5 of Hibs home matches. Even through a number of tragic events in my personal life and a lot of the folk I used to go with no longer going to ER for different reasons I have stuck by the club.

As usual last Monday night me and 4 other folk drove from the Borders up to ER in the hope that Hibs ( to put it kindly ) stuttering performances of the last 2 to 3 months could be overcome .... especially with the incentive of going joint second and the fear of entering a real slide if defeated to spur the lads on.

I dont have to say anything else about that apart from to say that at half time ( we were playing St Johnstone, not Celtic ) we were 28/1 to win the game 3 - 2 ........ Unbelievable odds for a team at home ....... even then I kept my money in my pocket.

In my opinion ... some folk on here and some folk running ( and owning ) the Hibs appear to be buying into the old 'we are a work in progress' bollox.

That ship hasnt just sailed ... it has outlived its useful life and was broken up for razor blades months ago.

Wake up folks ...... a lot of supporters of this club just dont want to hear the same tired old tat trotted out time after time after time .... I and by the look of it a hell of a lot of other Hibs supporters just dont want to hear it any more. Its time to stop talking and start winning.

Even after Hampden an amazing number of fans stuck by this club ..... Our efforts on the park in the last few months have been poor at best .... our efforts ( ha ha ) last Monday night were nothing short of an insult to the long suffering folk who have stuck by the club.

I would consider myself a die hard supporter ...... I have scolded folk on this site before for being too quick to give in when the going got tough and for ( it seemed to me ) trying to encourage folk to stop going.

My incentive for supporting Hibs was never, and is not now, to follow a club who win sacks full of titles and cups and qualify for Europe every season ........... But c'mon folks !!! ......... 2 league cups in 37 years from arguably the 4th biggest club in Scotland is nothing short of pathetic.

No ...... sorry folks ........ but as I walked away from ER last Monday night I really began to question my commitment to the club. At the end of this month I will be 53 years old ... I'm overweight, not very fit and frankly a bit tired. Can I really see myself driving a round trip of 75 odd miles on a freezing cold Monday night a few years from now, just to once again watch the team I love be outmatched and out fought by a club who theoretically they should be streets ahead of. ...... Thats the question I am now asking myself.

I would never say to anybody " stop watching the Hibs " and this is not a rant trying to tell people they are daft for going to watch the club.

But last season following the new year derby ( and not a few Jaeger Bombs I admit ) my partner picked me up from the pub in Gala to find me in floods of tears in a drunken rant about why the F do Hibs continually let me down in derby matches ... this from a ( at that time ) 51 year old man. How was I to know that just over a year later the club I have given so much time, effort, money and devotion to over 37 odd years would deliver me ( and you ) the ultimate kick in the nads ever delivered by any sports team to its followers.

Nah .... sorry, but if the club and certain sections of its support think that now is the time to be patient and forgiving with results and performances like last Monday night .... then they are frankly mental.

STF ..... As a saviour of football clubs ............................... 10/10

As an owner of a football club ................ 2/10 ...... the 2 is for the nice stadium which our opponents seem to like playing in so much.

Rant over .... posted through sadness ..... not anger.

That's one hell of an honest, heartfelt and passionate post Bovril. Respect to you for posting it. I suspect your story is similar to more than a few others who are questionning things. Maybe you should turn the post into a letter to the board? (Genuine suggestion) No need to share on here or anything but if nothing else, you might feel better for having your say to the powers that be. All the best mate.

markom127
16-02-2013, 03:11 PM
Hibs under PF will challenge the league in 2 years time

Beefster
16-02-2013, 03:16 PM
Hibs under PF will challenge the league in 2 years time

Didn't you tip Kuqi to score a hat-trick in a previous game?

Sammy7nil
16-02-2013, 03:25 PM
Hibs under PF will challenge the league in 2 years time

Which League ?

cocopops1875
16-02-2013, 03:35 PM
Hibs under PF will challenge the league in 2 years time

you left out "FACT" :greengrin

markom127
16-02-2013, 06:09 PM
Which League ?

Going by what he has done in less than 12 months, whats stopping him challenging Celtic

Andy74
16-02-2013, 06:50 PM
Looks like I forgot to click on the submit new thread button yesterday.

I'm not one for castigating the team or the manager. I have stood by and offered my support to both the players and the management team more in blind faith than anything else.

However, last night finally tipped me over the edge and I questioned myself if I should renew my season ticket later this year. Once my anger at the way we were beaten subsided I sent this to the board. I'll post the reply when I get one.

Dear board members,

I attended Easter Road last night for the visit of St Johnstone to once again watch my team get bossed and bullied all over the park with the game ending in a humiliating defeat. Not so long ago we were proudly sitting top of the league and scoring goals for fun but since our visit to Dens Park it has all gone horribly wrong (with the odd exception).

The team used to fight for each other when up against it now the body language of the players shows they are looking for a team mate to blame when things go wrong. Last night was no exception as the defence stood like statues to allow St Johnstone to open the scoring. You would think the penalty save would give the team the lift they needed but it wasn't long before they were back to chasing shadows.

Where has it all gone wrong? My son was with me last night and after the game said the most exciting part of the evening was the 10 second challenge but even that was a shambles as the fourth lad in the group never got to take his third attempt to score. My son also said of the result he was embarrassed to be a Hibs fan last night, strong words from a 15 year old.

As our game had been moved to Monday night, I took the opportunity of going along to Meadowbank on Saturday to watch Edinburgh City against Edinburgh University. Night and day compared to what was on offer last night. Four excellent goals, passing football, a joy to watch and only a fiver to get in.

I am a Hibs fan and when season ticket renewal comes round I always take advantage of the early bird offer for two reasons. Firstly it offers me and my son very good value for money and secondly always answers you call for our manager to know well in advance what his budget for the coming year will be.

My question to the board is after last night's debacle, why should I bother to renew my season ticket?

Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see.


I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,

Do you have another letter ready tonight?

IWasThere2016
16-02-2013, 07:35 PM
Average attendance this season:

Hibs - 10,692
St Johnstone - 3,791

Maybe crowds of 10-11k don't allow us to sign the kind of players that we would all love to see but at the very least, if we are resorted to buying *****, then it should be far better ***** than teams like St Johnstone.

We should be consistently beating teams like St Johnstone, Inverness, St Mirren, Ross County etc. To struggle in matches against sides like this for so long is a sign of massive underachievement for a club like ours.

7,000 punters @ £15 (average?) = 105,000 x 18 games is getting onto c.£2m a season or c.£40,000 a week in wages - does make you wonder.. I don't think St make the losses we have recently either

Hibeesforever
16-02-2013, 08:10 PM
Thread author's comments are totally correct. The Hibs support wants success today- it suits the board perfectly to always promise that things will be better in the future.
As one of the posters said Sir Tom Farmer is an undeniable legend but what is the point of building state of the art facilities if they are only for visiting teams to embarrass us.
Big game in Paisley, I will be there because I care and am looking for success today not sometime into the yet to be determined future.

Fantastic result. It has been a long time since I have seen a Hibernian midfield play so well. Stevenson at right back was a masterstroke (Man of the Match IMO)! Although one footed his extra footballing skills helped build many attacks. Tawio pushed further up meant that Claros was able to pass forward rather than sideways.

Keeping the faith big time after that result. I trust Pat- looking forward now to the rest of the season.:pfgwa

TrickyNicky
16-02-2013, 09:07 PM
Do you have another letter ready tonight?

Did you forget to put a " wink " at the end of your question?

cocopops1875
16-02-2013, 09:36 PM
Erm, yes.

And considering probably 10 of the other 11 managers in the SPL have already got a similar or smaller budget, I think most of them would as well.

Thats now only 3 of the other 11 managers above us :wink:

The Green Goblin
16-02-2013, 10:55 PM
Do you have another letter ready tonight?

I don't think one away win in Paisley counts for that much, does it? Good result, but it doesn't wash away poor results and performances like the other day's against St. Johnstone. Some of the concerns the op mentions are still entirely valid and he is entitled to voice them. There's nothing wrong with that Andy.

Andy74
16-02-2013, 11:14 PM
I don't think one away win in Paisley counts for that much, does it? Good result, but it doesn't wash away poor results and performances like the other day's against St. Johnstone. Some of the concerns the op mentions are still entirely valid and he is entitled to voice them. There's nothing wrong with that Andy.

The letter was pretty much based on the game on Monday wasn't it?

blackpoolhibs
16-02-2013, 11:41 PM
I don't think one away win in Paisley counts for that much, does it? Good result, but it doesn't wash away poor results and performances like the other day's against St. Johnstone. Some of the concerns the op mentions are still entirely valid and he is entitled to voice them. There's nothing wrong with that Andy.

That would be true if we'd won our first game of the season today, but we have 37 points, a very reasonable amount for this time of the season and considering where we were this time last year?

We have more than our fair share of panic merchants this season, and while i'd like us to play silky football and win every week, any reasonable supporter would not.

ronaldo7
17-02-2013, 12:08 AM
:whistle:Ye can stick yer ***** letter up yer arse, Oh ye can stick yer ***** letter up yer arse, oh ye can stick yer ***** letter, stick yer ***** letter, stick yer ***** letter up yer arse. RIGHT UP.:greengrin

Ray_
17-02-2013, 12:19 AM
That would be true if we'd won our first game of the season today, but we have 37 points, a very reasonable amount for this time of the season and considering where we were this time last year?

We have more than our fair share of panic merchants this season, and while i'd like us to play silky football and win every week, any reasonable supporter would not.

Where were we six short years ago, compared to today, a different world altogether. That is not having a go at the manager, but the clown who ran the club down to the depth of the last two to three years and as a consequence chased the paying customer away in droves & its not panic to say that we were garbage on Monday, it was the truth and no, it shouldn't be expected at this stage of our development, that level of performance should never be accepted by the manager, players, fans or board or anybody connected to Hibernian FC.

The Green Goblin
17-02-2013, 12:52 AM
The letter was pretty much based on the game on Monday wasn't it?


It was a reaction to it, yes, but it represented a tipping point for them. I can just see where he's coming from, that's all. I agree with Ray-in-Ireland that fans should not ever accept a sub-standard effort from the team, no matter how the rest of the season is going, and they should be criticised for that if it happens, just as they are rightly praised and applauded when they get it right, like they did today.

Personally, I agree with BH that there's been a dramatic move in the right direction overall so far this year. I do believe that, just to be clear, but there are still some things to be addressed and many fans feel frustrated about them. Nights like Monday just highlight them. It's fair to say that from your posts, you pretty much maintain an unfailingly positive view of things, don't you? (Not having a go in saying that) But not everyone sees it that way, and their concerns and point of view are just as valid as yours or mine.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 01:52 AM
Where were we six short years ago, compared to today, a different world altogether. That is not having a go at the manager, but the clown who ran the club down to the depth of the last two to three years and as a consequence chased the paying customer away in droves & its not panic to say that we were garbage on Monday, it was the truth and no, it shouldn't be expected at this stage of our development, that level of performance should never be accepted by the manager, players, fans or board or anybody connected to Hibernian FC.

What a pile of crap, Where have you read anyone accepting that defeat, never mind the manager? Who the **** do you think we are, Barca? Of course we will lose games like Monday, if Celtic can lose to us and St Mirren, we can lose to St Johnstone.

Other than moan about the past, something nobody can change, and that is all you do Ray, what have you got to say about THIS SEASONS PROGRESS?

hibeedonald
17-02-2013, 04:37 AM
Wonder what letter you sent tonight then! And I did say we would probably beat St Mirren before earlier on in this thread. Total Knee Jerk Thread. Just look at the league table.

Nailrod
17-02-2013, 04:48 AM
Pat still learning how the SPL works so, for me, he's done a reasonable job thus far and will continue to get my support for the foreseeable. As I said in my previous post, a lot of it, in my view, is down to how we do business during the transfer windows. This kind of guff should be left to the media pundits, desperately trying to convince themselves and the world that there is some 'hidden depth' to the game that is somehow concealed from lesser mortals. It's meaningless. It's right up there with Brian Kerr and his 'unseen work'.

The idea that there is some unique, opaque property to the SPL that only becomes apparent after years of study is just daft. The SPL works in exactly the same way as any other football league on the planet, and thousands of other competitions in hundreds of other sports. Two teams play a game. As a result of a combination of who has the best players and tactics, and who performs best on the day, one team wins and the other team loses. Pat Fenlon has been a manager for more than ten years. In comparison with the League of Ireland, (some) SPL players are perhaps (marginally) better, and the crowds are a little bigger, and that's it.

Fair play to Pat if he can get away with it though. "Er... I know I've been in the job for fifteen months now, and I know I have the biggest budget in the SPL bar Celtic, and I know that for three months my team has been performing worst in the SPL bar Dundee, but that's because I'm still learning how the SPL works..."

Nailrod
17-02-2013, 05:01 AM
:whistle:Ye can stick yer ***** letter up yer arse, Oh ye can stick yer ***** letter up yer arse, oh ye can stick yer ***** letter, stick yer ***** letter, stick yer ***** letter up yer arse. RIGHT UP.:greengrin

This is infantile. :rolleyes:

Nailrod
17-02-2013, 05:15 AM
What a pile of crap, Where have you read anyone accepting that defeat, never mind the manager? Who the **** do you think we are, Barca? Of course we will lose games like Monday, if Celtic can lose to us and St Mirren, we can lose to St Johnstone.

Other than moan about the past, something nobody can change, and that is all you do Ray, what have you got to say about THIS SEASONS PROGRESS?

Even before PF turned us into the team of world beaters we are today, we would occasionally sneak a flukey 1-0 away victory thanks to a soft penalty against the team second bottom of the league.

THIS SEASON'S PROGRESS, as you scream it, ground to a halt more than half the season ago. Since then, we've been the second worst team in the league after Dundee, and we've won three league matches out of fourteen, scoring nine goals in the process. That's not poor form over a couple of games. It's prolonged rubbish, and it's ongoing.

Mr White
17-02-2013, 06:53 AM
Even before PF turned us into the team of world beaters we are today, we would occasionally sneak a flukey 1-0 away victory thanks to a soft penalty against the team second bottom of the league.

THIS SEASON'S PROGRESS, as you scream it, ground to a halt more than half the season ago. Since then, we've been the second worst team in the league after Dundee, and we've won three league matches out of fourteen, scoring nine goals in the process. That's not poor form over a couple of games. It's prolonged rubbish, and it's ongoing.
but on a more positive note we have beaten hearts and the Dons in that time in the cup leaving us 90 minutes from a return to hampden. just saying likes :greengrin:

jeffers
17-02-2013, 08:02 AM
I can't believe the stick DM is getting. Well actually I can, while I may not have been posting long I've been a member here long enough.

Of course we've made progress from last season (let's face it we had to) but from some posters that's the response we get every time someone, rightly in my opinion, raises concerns at our recent league form. It is shocking, great result yesterday aside, both in terms of results and entertainment. We had gone backwards from our early season form and it had gone on lomg enough for fans to have genuine concerns. Can't there be a middle ground with fans like me who agree we have made progress but who have concerns about our recent league form ?

Beefster
17-02-2013, 08:28 AM
I like it when folk that care about the club get mocked/criticised/dismissed for demonstrating that care. Makes me feel all warm and gooey about being a Hibs supporter.

ronaldo7
17-02-2013, 09:13 AM
This is infantile. :rolleyes:

I know, just like the thread:na na:

MrSmith
17-02-2013, 09:22 AM
This kind of guff should be left to the media pundits, desperately trying to convince themselves and the world that there is some 'hidden depth' to the game that is somehow concealed from lesser mortals. It's meaningless. It's right up there with Brian Kerr and his 'unseen work'.

The idea that there is some unique, opaque property to the SPL that only becomes apparent after years of study is just daft. The SPL works in exactly the same way as any other football league on the planet, and thousands of other competitions in hundreds of other sports. Two teams play a game. As a result of a combination of who has the best players and tactics, and who performs best on the day, one team wins and the other team loses. Pat Fenlon has been a manager for more than ten years. In comparison with the League of Ireland, (some) SPL players are perhaps (marginally) better, and the crowds are a little bigger, and that's it.

Fair play to Pat if he can get away with it though. "Er... I know I've been in the job for fifteen months now, and I know I have the biggest budget in the SPL bar Celtic, and I know that for three months my team has been performing worst in the SPL bar Dundee, but that's because I'm still learning how the SPL works..."

like you say - what a load of guff!

TrickyNicky
17-02-2013, 09:27 AM
I like it when folk that care about the club get mocked/criticised/dismissed for demonstrating that care. Makes me feel all warm and gooey about being a Hibs supporter.


Hear Hear!

It's just plain old mean sometimes round here.

Kaiser1962
17-02-2013, 09:37 AM
and I know I have the biggest budget in the SPL bar Celtic, ..."


Thats not true

Andy74
17-02-2013, 09:47 AM
It was a reaction to it, yes, but it represented a tipping point for them. I can just see where he's coming from, that's all. I agree with Ray-in-Ireland that fans should not ever accept a sub-standard effort from the team, no matter how the rest of the season is going, and they should be criticised for that if it happens, just as they are rightly praised and applauded when they get it right, like they did today.

Personally, I agree with BH that there's been a dramatic move in the right direction overall so far this year. I do believe that, just to be clear, but there are still some things to be addressed and many fans feel frustrated about them. Nights like Monday just highlight them. It's fair to say that from your posts, you pretty much maintain an unfailingly positive view of things, don't you? (Not having a go in saying that) But not everyone sees it that way, and their concerns and point of view are just as valid as yours or mine.
Okay bit to go into it a bit more the letter was centred on the lack of fight in the team on Monday and suggesting there was some issue that the Bosrd needed to concern themselves with.

Fact is the effort has been excellent this year and in that respect the game was unusual.

I think letters like that when we are,when you look at the season on the whole, improving is a bit pathetic.

The season is full of ups and downs for every team and the game yesterday illustrates it. There's not a lot wrong just now that isn't fixable with a bit of work and another option or two. Letters to the board are a bit OTT for our current situation.

hibee_nation
17-02-2013, 10:01 AM
Maybe it was the open letter that drove Hibs to victory yesterday. The yams might be onto something here. I'm off to ebay to see if i can bag a yellow cardigan and 3.5 lt Rover. :aok:

greenlex
17-02-2013, 10:07 AM
Okay bit to go into it a bit more the letter was centred on the lack of fight in the team on Monday and suggesting there was some issue that the Bosrd needed to concern themselves with.

Fact is the effort has been excellent this year and in that respect the game was unusual.

I think letters like that when we are,when you look at the season on the whole, improving is a bit pathetic.

The season is full of ups and downs for every team and the game yesterday illustrates it. There's not a lot wrong just now that isn't fixable with a bit of work and another option or two. Letters to the board are a bit OTT for our current situation.
I agree with all of that Andy. In the interest of balance can someone fire of a letter of praise for yesterdays performance and result? :greengrin

Ray_
17-02-2013, 11:10 AM
What a pile of crap, Where have you read anyone accepting that defeat, never mind the manager? Who the **** do you think we are, Barca? Of course we will lose games like Monday, if Celtic can lose to us and St Mirren, we can lose to St Johnstone.

Other than moan about the past, something nobody can change, and that is all you do Ray, what have you got to say about THIS SEASONS PROGRESS?

What rubbish, try reading some of the posts and you will find that for quite a number of long standing fans, the problem is not just here and now but what brought us to here and now and that is in the past and very relevant to what is happening now.

It is a pile of crap that we have spent around 85% of the last twelve years rebuilding and that is very very relevant to now. People are understandably p'd off with the "crap" decisions that has put us in the position where we are constantly "work in progress". The missing crowds are very much a problem here and now.

As for losing games, we all know that everybody loses games, it was the manner of the defeat that got everyone and the fact is that, that performance isn't isolated and that is what the concern shown on here was all about. You clearly know that, as its what everybody, including me and the post you replied to, was on about, but you deliberately ignored that fact, your agenda dictates that fact is better omitted.

You have done enough "moaning" on here, but you [who obviously feels their opinion is worth more than anybody else's] "had a reason", the people who's doing the moaning now feel they "have reason", live with it, we had to with you.


As for the "all I can do" bit, what have you done to sort the problems at ER? All I can see you do on here is start and contribute to stupid threads aimed at antagonising other fans when we get an [recently] odd decent result, do you really believe that is helpful? Will it change attitudes and get more people back? Of course it won't, people should vent, let them get it off their chest and there is more chance they will get it out of their system and there is more chance they will come back sooner than if it is left to fester.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 11:15 AM
Even before PF turned us into the team of world beaters we are today, we would occasionally sneak a flukey 1-0 away victory thanks to a soft penalty against the team second bottom of the league.

THIS SEASON'S PROGRESS, as you scream it, ground to a halt more than half the season ago. Since then, we've been the second worst team in the league after Dundee, and we've won three league matches out of fourteen, scoring nine goals in the process. That's not poor form over a couple of games. It's prolonged rubbish, and it's ongoing.

So we are sneaking the odd 1-0 win against the 2nd bottom club now, I suppose both 1-0 wins against Hearts and Celtic were sneaked, and the 37 points we have accumulated THIS season is just down to luck?

Nobody who is happy with the progress we have made but you seem incapable of congratulating is saying we are the finished article.

Yes we were awful on Monday, yet according to you we are on a prolonged run of poor games and are rubbish? I dont see it, we won yesterday and for me we are on a 1 game winning streak.

What gives us the right to not have poor games or a poor run of form, who do you think we are?

Stevie Reid
17-02-2013, 11:33 AM
I'll post this again: -

On 19 February 2012 we were beaten 5-0 at home by Celtic and we were 11th in the SPL on 19 points, the same as Dunfermline in bottom place, and 8 points off 10th. In 26 games we had won 4 times and lost 15, and had a goal difference of - 26.

Motherwell were 26 points above us in 3rd, and Hearts and St. Johnstone had 17 points more than us in 4th and 5th respectively. Kilmarnock had 13 more points, and Dundee Utd and Aberdeen 12.

With all of their wage bill, Hearts were in 4th with 36 points from 27 games, one point worse off than we are now.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 11:54 AM
Apart from Celtic, which other clubs have not had a poor run of form, and why should we be any different?

3pm
17-02-2013, 12:13 PM
Apart from Celtic, which other clubs have not had a poor run of form, and why should we be any different?

We shoudn't be any different but there is nothing wrong with aspiring to have less bad runs than the next club.

Things are better because the points on the board say so. We've played some good stuff more so in the earlier parts of the season. Latterly, it's been poor....and results have reflected that, yesterday apart.

Progress has been made but we won't truly know to what extent til the end of the season. Between now and then though, it'd be nice to produce a better level of football. Yesterday sounded encouraging.

marinello59
17-02-2013, 12:24 PM
Apart from Celtic, which other clubs have not had a poor run of form, and why should we be any different?

I would hope that those running our club are working towards us having much longer runs of good form in the future rather than meekly accepting that long periods of indifferent form should be the norm.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 12:36 PM
I would hope that those running our club are working towards us having much longer runs of good form in the future rather than meekly accepting that long periods of indifferent form should be the norm.

So would i, but THIS season we have are made of better/harder stuff, not the finished article but better. The aim should be to win as many games as possible and lose less, i'm hoping next season will be even better.

As for meekly accepting long periods of indifferent form, i don't see anyone doing that? The team and management are giving their all, results have not been as good as we want, but they are trying? :confused:

jeffers
17-02-2013, 12:37 PM
OK so we've made progress, but latterly the football has been dire (as well as the results.) Serious question, do those who keep going on about the progress and (seem to be) ignoring the recent results and performances think the football we have been playing will get those who have stopped attending Hibs games to return ?

RIP
17-02-2013, 12:45 PM
Happy with points accumulation and points total

However I'd like to see the occasional turn of pace with a style that involves running at the opposition and putting them under pressure. Fir Park is a distant memory now.

Griffiths apart - that style of play isn't on the menu for Hibs fans at the moment. Our brand of football is like porridge. It does the job of keeping hunger at bay but if you had to eat it for breakfast, lunch and dinner you would soon hanker for something more stimulating.

It will soon be season ticket campaign time and Pat will have to promise to deliver supporters a more enterprising product for next season before some waverers will part with their hard earned.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 12:50 PM
OK so we've made progress, but latterly the football has been dire (as well as the results.) Serious question, do those who keep going on about the progress and (seem to be) ignoring the recent results and performances think the football we have been playing will get those who have stopped attending Hibs games to return ?

Those who have stopped coming to easter road DO need to be enticed back. My gripe with them is THIS team is trying to rectify 3 years of decline, probably a lot more, but the last 2 seasons have been relegation battles, and they are deserting them when they are on the way back?

Of course people will be pissed off, and for some they have had enough. Thats their choice and thats fine, but when you stop going to games and give up on the club, why come on here and moan about things, seems pretty pointless to me?

lord bunberry
17-02-2013, 12:58 PM
OK so we've made progress, but latterly the football has been dire (as well as the results.) Serious question, do those who keep going on about the progress and (seem to be) ignoring the recent results and performances think the football we have been playing will get those who have stopped attending Hibs games to return ?

There's far to many hibs fans who no matter how we are doing will always find a excuse not to go to games unless there's a cup final coming up of course

jeffers
17-02-2013, 01:00 PM
Those who have stopped coming to easter road DO need to be enticed back. My gripe with them is THIS team is trying to rectify 3 years of decline, probably a lot more, but the last 2 seasons have been relegation battles, and they are deserting them when they are on the way back?

Of course people will be pissed off, and for some they have had enough. Thats their choice and thats fine, but when you stop going to games and give up on the club, why come on here and moan about things, seems pretty pointless to me?

I can only speculate that as the quality of play has dropped so have the attendances. You'll get no arguments from me about progress being made and Monday aside we have a team who put a shift in every game. Personally I'm not looking for Barcelona in Hibs shirts but I'd like to be entertained as I was earlier in the season.

I can't disagree at all, if you can go but choose not to, then I think you have no real right in posting, especially if its just negative. The only reason I now post is because I started going back this season.

GlenrothesHibee
17-02-2013, 01:08 PM
Those who have stopped coming to easter road DO need to be enticed back. My gripe with them is THIS team is trying to rectify 3 years of decline, probably a lot more, but the last 2 seasons have been relegation battles, and they are deserting them when they are on the way back?

Of course people will be pissed off, and for some they have had enough. Thats their choice and thats fine, but when you stop going to games and give up on the club, why come on here and moan about things, seems pretty pointless to me?

100% agree. I think a lot of people have become tired of the lack of effort from Hibs the last 2-3-4 seasons. That is certainly not the case now and every Hibs fan should get down to ER if they can and support this group and help them get more points on the board. We should all be rebuilding this great club together.

MrSmith
17-02-2013, 01:09 PM
I can only speculate that as the quality of play has dropped so have the attendances. You'll get no arguments from me about progress being made and Monday aside we have a team who put a shift in every game. Personally I'm not looking for Barcelona in Hibs shirts but I'd like to be entertained as I was earlier in the season.

I can't disagree at all, if you can go but choose not to, then I think you have no real right in posting, especially if its just negative. The only reason I now post is because I started going back this season.

Think that is a bit unfair. Many fans simply cannot afford going at this point. However, for me, I get to a few games per season but consider that for me, the missus and three boys it is the best part of £120 per game. All my kids get a new home and away kit for each new season so there is nearly £300 into the club right away! However, there are many more reason why fans don't attend anymore, some have just had enough, fed up with the board, style of play, constant changes etc. However, you cannot discount another fans view or opinion just because they don't go anymore. For all you know they may have been attending ER for the best part of 50 years or more or less, dependent on age of course. It is a fans forum therefore, all views should be welcome and debated appropriately.

marinello59
17-02-2013, 01:21 PM
So would i, but THIS season we have are made of better/harder stuff, not the finished article but better. The aim should be to win as many games as possible and lose less, i'm hoping next season will be even better.

As for meekly accepting long periods of indifferent form, i don't see anyone doing that? The team and management are giving their all, results have not been as good as we want, but they are trying? :confused:

I was actually suggesting that you were meekly accepting it, not the club.:greengrin
I have just re read the post. I commented on and that's what it looked like.

jeffers
17-02-2013, 01:21 PM
Think that is a bit unfair. Many fans simply cannot afford going at this point. However, for me, I get to a few games per season but consider that for me, the missus and three boys it is the best part of £120 per game. All my kids get a new home and away kit for each new season so there is nearly £300 into the club right away! However, there are many more reason why fans don't attend anymore, some have just had enough, fed up with the board, style of play, constant changes etc. However, you cannot discount another fans view or opinion just because they don't go anymore. For all you know they may have been attending ER for the best part of 50 years or more or less, dependent on age of course. It is a fans forum therefore, all views should be welcome and debated appropriately.

Sorry mate, badly worded on my part. I'm not having a go at anyone who is finacially unable to attend. And I can sympathise with anyone who has had enough (that was me 'til this season.) I was just trying to say if there is nothing stopping you going I don't think you should be coming on here just to post negative stuff.

Golden Bear
17-02-2013, 01:24 PM
There's far to many hibs fans who no matter how we are doing will always find a excuse not to go to games unless there's a cup final coming up of course

There's a distinct difference between an excuse and a reason and the REASON why fans are not turning up for games COULD be the style of play rather than the string of poor results. In my humble opinion of course.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 01:24 PM
Think that is a bit unfair. Many fans simply cannot afford going at this point. However, for me, I get to a few games per season but consider that for me, the missus and three boys it is the best part of £120 per game. All my kids get a new home and away kit for each new season so there is nearly £300 into the club right away! However, there are many more reason why fans don't attend anymore, some have just had enough, fed up with the board, style of play, constant changes etc. However, you cannot discount another fans view or opinion just because they don't go anymore. For all you know they may have been attending ER for the best part of 50 years or more or less, dependent on age of course. It is a fans forum therefore, all views should be welcome and debated appropriately.

I think you can, especially if its only negativity they are spouting, and harking back to the good old days all the time.

Hibs have only had the occasional good side, most of us who are alive have only seen 10 good seasons at most. If you are at easter road to see a fantastic team, playing like the Tornadoes, then Hibs are the wrong team for you? Thats not to say we should not aspire to be in that league, but those seasons are few and far between.

We have an element of our support who seem incapable of getting behind the club at this minute in time, and i find that baffling considering the upturn in fortunes we are currently experiencing. It seems to me we cant wait to rip into the team whenever there is a bad result, yet when we win it goes relatively quiet on the message board, and we call ourselves supporters?

jeffers
17-02-2013, 01:30 PM
There's far to many hibs fans who no matter how we are doing will always find a excuse not to go to games unless there's a cup final coming up of course

Of course there are but we are not unique in that, it's the ones who were going up until recently we should be concerned about tho' and if its for football rather than financial reasons taking steps to address that.

Ray_
17-02-2013, 02:33 PM
Those who have stopped coming to easter road DO need to be enticed back. My gripe with them is THIS team is trying to rectify 3 years of decline, probably a lot more, but the last 2 seasons have been relegation battles, and they are deserting them when they are on the way back?

Of course people will be pissed off, and for some they have had enough. Thats their choice and thats fine, but when you stop going to games and give up on the club, why come on here and moan about things, seems pretty pointless to me?

It may seem pointless to you now, but it didn't when you were doing the very same thing not too long ago!

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 02:36 PM
It may seem pointless to you now, but it didn't when you were doing the very same thing not too long ago!

1 game Ray 1 game. :faf: I did not stay away for years, then moan like **** how sheite we are while contributing he haw towards the managers funds? :rolleyes:

HibeeMassive
17-02-2013, 02:42 PM
OK so we've made progress, but latterly the football has been dire (as well as the results.) Serious question, do those who keep going on about the progress and (seem to be) ignoring the recent results and performances think the football we have been playing will get those who have stopped attending Hibs games to return ?

Do you think it would be possible to go from playing how we did last year to good to watch, consistent football in a season?

Ray_
17-02-2013, 02:45 PM
1 game Ray 1 game. :faf: I did not stay away for years, then moan like **** how sheite we are while contributing he haw towards the managers funds? :rolleyes:

Who contributes he haw to the managers fund? I would think that a vast majority on here do, even the ones who moan about the standard of play.

What about this myth you are trying to put about, about the tornadoes?

The tornadoes do get mentioned a lot, on the appropriate threads; god knows, the fans need something positive about the club to keep them going.

If anything, it is you that keeps mentioning them on those types of threads, as I have seen very little, if anything, comparing today with the early seventies era.

Captain Trips
17-02-2013, 02:56 PM
1 game Ray 1 game. :faf: I did not stay away for years, then moan like **** how sheite we are while contributing he haw towards the managers funds? :rolleyes:

Well BH myself and you moaned and criticsed CC a hell of alot while others told us to get behind team moaning will not help, we said what we said as we believed we were right and that was what we thought best for club but it was deemed negative.

Maybe you are on other side this time but I am sure those with "negative" views believe they are positive views foir what they think is best.

MrSmith
17-02-2013, 03:01 PM
I think you can, especially if its only negativity they are spouting, and harking back to the good old days all the time.

Hibs have only had the occasional good side, most of us who are alive have only seen 10 good seasons at most. If you are at easter road to see a fantastic team, playing like the Tornadoes, then Hibs are the wrong team for you? Thats not to say we should not aspire to be in that league, but those seasons are few and far between.

We have an element of our support who seem incapable of getting behind the club at this minute in time, and i find that baffling considering the upturn in fortunes we are currently experiencing. It seems to me we cant wait to rip into the team whenever there is a bad result, yet when we win it goes relatively quiet on the message board, and we call ourselves supporters?

Sometimes it is diffcult to position your sarcasm! Harking back to the good old days isn't the point I was making though was it? I'm saying for whatever reason people won't attend their view is still important because they have previously put money into the club - how much for how long? Who knows! However, let's not start making assumptions.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 03:03 PM
Who contributes he haw to the managers fund? I would think that a vast majority on here do, even the ones who moan about the standard of play.

What about this myth you are trying to put about, about the tornadoes?

The tornadoes do get mentioned a lot, on the appropriate threads; god knows, the fans need something positive about the club to keep them going.

If anything, it is you that keeps mentioning them on those types of threads, as I have seen very little, if anything, comparing today with the early seventies era.

As usual you avoid whats said and go off in a tangent about the past, anyone who does not go to the games does not contribute towards the managers funds.

What myth about the tornadoes? They were superb for about 3 seasons, add that to the other 7 seasons in my life when we have been good, the myth is just how good we actually have been ever?

I see you and the others who are critical of anything thats good about the club today, are all absent from any of the threads on yesterdays win, a win that keeps us in 4th and adds to the progress we have made this season?

Its very strange how you only appear, along with a few others on threads like this, anyone would think you were living in the past? :rolleyes:

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 03:07 PM
Sometimes it is diffcult to position your sarcasm! Harking back to the good old days isn't the point I was making though was it? I'm saying for whatever reason people won't attend their view is still important because they have previously put money into the club - how much for how long? Who knows! However, let's not start making assumptions.

I disagree, they can comment on the past, but their views on something they no longer can be bothered supporting is not important, its only important to them.

MrSmith
17-02-2013, 03:14 PM
I disagree, they can comment on the past, but their views on something they no longer can be bothered supporting is not important, its only important to them.

OK, but how can you square that off if someone buys a strip, programme, attends a game, buys merchandise in the shop or online albeit occassionally? The point for me is that these fans have sustained the club in one way or another allowing it to continue to exist, surely you cannot deny them a say on that premise alone?

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 03:31 PM
OK, but how can you square that off if someone buys a strip, programme, attends a game, buys merchandise in the shop or online albeit occassionally? The point for me is that these fans have sustained the club in one way or another allowing it to continue to exist, surely you cannot deny them a say on that premise alone?

Buying that stuff gives the manager nothing in his transfer fund, i buy these items also but dont expect any thanks for it?

I dont mind them commenting on the quality of the garments, or the standard of writing in the programme after all they have bought these items and are entitled to comment on the goods? Someone who goes occasionally can also comment on those games, but those who do not go anymore, have given up their right to any real input, as there opinions are worthless in my opinion.

Its always negative, its always about how its not good enough or as good as the past, and does no real good for the team they say they support, especially when we are on the up? :rolleyes:

Ray_
17-02-2013, 03:31 PM
As usual you avoid whats said and go off in a tangent about the past, anyone who does not go to the games does not contribute towards the managers funds.

What myth about the tornadoes? They were superb for about 3 seasons, add that to the other 7 seasons in my life when we have been good, the myth is just how good we actually have been ever?

I see you and the others who are critical of anything thats good about the club today, are all absent from any of the threads on yesterdays win, a win that keeps us in 4th and adds to the progress we have made this season?

Its very strange how you only appear, along with a few others on threads like this, anyone would think you were living in the past? :rolleyes:

So you are saying it is only the money taken through the gates benefits Hibs and the manager's fund?

Regarding the tornadoes, the only part that has any relevance to this subject is that I was talking about the myth that your trying to create that people compare today with the early seventies era, that is what I wrote and that is what I meant.

We do have threads relating to that era, which have got nothing to do with todays predicament. Are you saying that it is wrong for fans to contribute or read those types of threads, if so, you better start a movement to get all the books relating to Hibs deleted as they happen to be about the past, as does a lot of the Hibs Interactive.

I didn't comment on any threads relating to yesterdays game, I was also absent on any of the critical threads that initially followed Monday's game, I very rarely comment on individual game threads. It wasn't the game or the performance on Monday that made me respond to this thread, just some of the stupid remarks that were made on it.

Golden Bear
17-02-2013, 03:35 PM
I disagree, they can comment on the past, but their views on something they no longer can be bothered supporting is not important, ]its only important to them.

Absolute nonsense and I'm sure RP will agree that it is nonsense.

It's important to listen to the views of all supporters and if they have legitimate grievances then only a fool would not listen. There are many and varied reasons why fans stop attending games but it would be financial suicide for the Club to turn a blind eye in the hope that one day everything will be bright and shiny once again. Thankfully the Club itself at least seem to be listening.

Ray_
17-02-2013, 03:41 PM
Buying that stuff gives the manager nothing in his transfer fund, i buy these items also but dont expect any thanks for it?

I dont mind them commenting on the quality of the garments, or the standard of writing in the programme after all they have bought these items and are entitled to comment on the goods? Someone who goes occasionally can also comment on those games, but those who do not go anymore, have given up their right to any real input, as there opinions are worthless in my opinion.

Its always negative, its always about how its not good enough or as good as the past, and does no real good for the team they say they support, especially when we are on the up? :rolleyes:

So has it not occured to you that if the club didn't get money from that avenue they would have to rob the managers fund, to get the running costs of the club? Therefore, of course that money makes a difference to the managers fund.

You are somewhat obsessed with that bold word are you not?

For all the boards faults, I don't think they would be stupid enough to think lapsed fans views and opinions are worthless, as a business, we would be well and truely goosed.

MrSmith
17-02-2013, 03:47 PM
BP you are at it! effin' devils advocate or agent provocateur who knows but you are just at it!

Golden Bear
17-02-2013, 03:51 PM
BP you are at it! effin' devils advocate or agent provocateur who knows but you are just at it!

I'm honestly not convinced that it is BH! I'm sure someone else has hacked his computer as it's not so long ago that the REAL Blackpool Hibs was definitely the doomest of the doom and gloomers on this Board!

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 03:53 PM
BP you are at it! effin' devils advocate or agent provocateur who knows but you are just at it!

I'm not as you say at it, i'm sick to the back teeth of the ersholes who wont back the team when it show promise and results. The same thing happened when Hughes was manager, we were getting good results and playing some good stuff, but there was an element of our support who would not back the club, and were predicting doom and gloom after every result.

We are on the up, we are getting some decent results and performances, its up to us to support them not hinder them. FFS look where we were, look were we are now, back the ****in team they deserve it more now than for years.

MrSmith
17-02-2013, 03:58 PM
I'm not as you say at it, i'm sick to the back teeth of the ersholes who wont back the team when it show promise and results. The same thing happened when Hughes was manager, we were getting good results and playing some good stuff, but there was an element of our support who would not back the club, and were predicting doom and gloom after every result.

We are on the up, we are getting some decent results and performances, its up to us to support them not hinder them. FFS look where we were, look were we are now, back the ****in team they deserve it more now than for years.

I don't disagree with any of that! Still believe those who have paid previously and not so much now still deserve a say! Because, by your logic, you could be discounting a 50 year veteran agianst a significant newbie! I.E, one has paid 50 years worth of season ticket money against another who has paid only one season's ticket money thus far! Balance no? Just sayin likes!

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 04:07 PM
I don't disagree with any of that! Still believe those who have paid previously and not so much now still deserve a say! Because, by your logic, you could be discounting a 50 year veteran agianst a significant newbie! I.E, one has paid 50 years worth of season ticket money against another who has paid only one season's ticket money thus far! Balance no? Just sayin likes!

We will just have to disagree, if you have given up watching TODAYS team because you are fed up with whats on offer, then any of your comments are going to be negative, no matter how we perform and indeed worthless. As i said before, they can comment all they like on the past, but i say thank you for your support but we move on without you.

You are welcome back at any time, but keep your negativety to yourself.

Beefster
17-02-2013, 04:11 PM
Apart from Celtic, which other clubs have not had a poor run of form, and why should we be any different?

If there is one, Mrs blackpoolhibs is a lucky lady. "Aye, my performance has been pretty poor lately but it's to be expected. Give it a year or two".

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 04:18 PM
If there is one, Mrs blackpoolhibs is a lucky lady. "Aye, my performance has been pretty poor lately but it's to be expected. Give it a year or two".

:greengrin To be fair Hibs are like a marriage, a bit of up and down. :wink: Does every marriage or partnership run smoothly, are they always on top form and getting it right, or do they have to work at things and build a solid relationship? :wink:

PS any women would be very lucky to have me, i have plenty to give. :wink:

MrSmith
17-02-2013, 04:28 PM
We will just have to disagree, if you have given up watching TODAYS team because you are fed up with whats on offer, then any of your comments are going to be negative, no matter how we perform and indeed worthless. As i said before, they can comment all they like on the past, but i say thank you for your support but we move on without you.

You are welcome back at any time, but keep your negativety to yourself.

Talk about missing the point! I am not being negative and I support Pat and the team completely! I also recognise when progress has been made and it bloody well has! However, we need to look at the collective to entice fans back ensuring to listen to those who attended regularly but may not now!

I was miffed at John walking out, pissed that fan pressure made Mixu leave, pissed that Yogi got the boot, supported CC but relieved he was ejected in the end and now, as always, support the club but can understand why others have had enough! I'm definitely no happy clapper, maybe a more doom and gloomer but I always try to remain objective and positive.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 04:37 PM
Talk about missing the point! I am not being negative and I support Pat and the team completely! I also recognise when progress has been made and it bloody well has! However, we need to look at the collective to entice fans back ensuring to listen to those who attended regularly but may not now!

I was miffed at John walking out, pissed that fan pressure made Mixu leave, pissed that Yogi got the boot, supported CC but relieved he was ejected in the end and now, as always, support the club but can understand why others have had enough! I'm definitely no happy clapper, maybe a more doom and gloomer but I always try to remain objective and positive.

Sorry,that post looks like it was but it was not aimed at you, it was aimed at those who choose to no longer go? My wording could have been better. :doh:

Sammy7nil
17-02-2013, 05:00 PM
I'm not as you say at it, i'm sick to the back teeth of the ersholes who wont back the team when it show promise and results. The same thing happened when Hughes was manager, we were getting good results and playing some good stuff, but there was an element of our support who would not back the club, and were predicting doom and gloom after every result.

We are on the up, we are getting some decent results and performances, its up to us to support them not hinder them. FFS look where we were, look were we are now, back the ****in team they deserve it more now than for years.

And they were proved correct we have had year after year of dross the Hughes era was fantastic in comparrison to the last 3 years. Yet we all knew Yogis team was riding it's luck and got many more points than their play deserved. A wee bit like Pats team this year.

I used to think you talked sense but this thread confirms I missed judged you. ALL Hibs fans past and present should enter the debate on how the club can improve and increase crowds generate more income etc.

Anyone imho who thinks different does not have the clubs best interests at heart.

lord bunberry
17-02-2013, 05:01 PM
There's a distinct difference between an excuse and a reason and the REASON why fans are not turning up for games COULD be the style of play rather than the string of poor results. In my humble opinion of course.

In my opinion that's an excuse not to go. A reason not to go is financial or health. All in my humble opinion of course

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 05:08 PM
And they were proved correct we have had year after year of dross the Hughes era was fantastic in comparrison to the last 3 years. Yet we all knew Yogis team was riding it's luck and got many more points than their play deserved. A wee bit like Pats team this year.

I used to think you talked sense but this thread confirms I missed judged you. ALL Hibs fans past and present should enter the debate on how the club can improve and increase crowds generate more income etc.

Anyone imho who thinks different does not have the clubs best interests at heart.

Well done those who couldnt get behind the club, and thanks for undermining what the club were trying to do. As usual you fall into the trap of any win we get is luck, dear me. :rolleyes: And again Fenlons team have not been lucky this season, although if you say it often enough it does stick? :rolleyes:

And again you are putting words into my mouth, i have no qualms about anyone entering into disscussions on how we can improve and increase our support, even from those who no longer choose to go along to easter road.

What i dont want to hear from them is how great we used to be, because we were not. And how sheite we are now, when they dont even bother their erse to go?

jeffers
17-02-2013, 05:12 PM
Do you think it would be possible to go from playing how we did last year to good to watch, consistent football in a season?

I don't expect us to be consistent, I only hope we are, but I do expect us to at least try to play attractive football. And let me be clear here I am only disappointed in the football we have been playing latterly. Our recent formations look as if they have been set up with their primary aim to not lose the game, rather than to go out and win it.

Captain Trips
17-02-2013, 06:02 PM
I'm not as you say at it, i'm sick to the back teeth of the ersholes who wont back the team when it show promise and results. The same thing happened when Hughes was manager, we were getting good results and playing some good stuff, but there was an element of our support who would not back the club, and were predicting doom and gloom after every result.

We are on the up, we are getting some decent results and performances, its up to us to support them not hinder them. FFS look where we were, look were we are now, back the ****in team they deserve it more now than for years.

People thought as you did about what we said under CC, like it ir not everyone believes what they are doing is what is best for club. You have done quite a lot of what you are moaning about when you felt that way.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 06:40 PM
People thought as you did about what we said under CC, like it ir not everyone believes what they are doing is what is best for club. You have done quite a lot of what you are moaning about when you felt that way.

when did I stop going and moan like **** when we were doing well?

Mikey
17-02-2013, 06:50 PM
People thought as you did about what we said under CC, like it ir not everyone believes what they are doing is what is best for club. You have done quite a lot of what you are moaning about when you felt that way.

So what have you achieved then?

Captain Trips
17-02-2013, 07:28 PM
So what have you achieved then?

I didnt acheive anything I said what I thought best and the club made their decision, I believe I was correct in wanting him out but ultimatly I do not decide. What did backing CC achieve for those that thought ok.

Nobody on here achieves stuff we have opinions the club decide.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 07:38 PM
I didnt acheive anything I said what I thought best and the club made their decision, I believe I was correct in wanting him out but ultimatly I do not decide. What did backing CC achieve for those that thought ok.

Nobody on here achieves stuff we have opinions the club decide.

while its true we don't decide we do put pressure on the club, and the pressure we are putting on them at the minute is ridiculous.

3pm
17-02-2013, 07:51 PM
while its true we don't decide we do put pressure on the club, and the pressure we are putting on them at the minute is ridiculous.

Pressure?

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 08:13 PM
people on streets dedadedaday.

3pm
17-02-2013, 08:39 PM
People on streets?

Andy74
17-02-2013, 08:47 PM
People on streets?

These are the days it never rains but it pours.

Captain Trips
17-02-2013, 08:50 PM
while its true we don't decide we do put pressure on the club, and the pressure we are putting on them at the minute is ridiculous.

In your opinion of course, as I said before it was ok for you to go down a a similar course as did I when I or you thought was best. Some folk do not think we have made progress as much as you and that is what the argument should be on. I think we have made some progess as do you others do not so think like we did under CC, you can say what you like that you think we are better off I think we are too but some don't.

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 08:54 PM
In your opinion of course, as I said before it was ok for you to go down a a similar course as did I when I or you thought was best. Some folk do not think we have made progress as much as you and that is what the argument should be on. I think we have made some progess as do you others do not so think like we did under CC, you can say what you like that you think we are better off I think we are too but some don't.

Nowt to do with my opinion, the facts back up everything I am saying about this season.

The Modfather
17-02-2013, 09:01 PM
while its true we don't decide we do put pressure on the club, and the pressure we are putting on them at the minute is ridiculous.

Pressure? As in pressure for the board to deliver a product that people enjoy in conjunction with a competitive team? We have not had both for a very long time. Mowbray's team were the last to achieve this, and the record crowds reflected this.

I've only been to the new year derby this season despite having gone halfers with a mate last season on renewing so as to get a cup final ticket. Our season ticket goes unused most weeks as we don't have much interest in going and can't give it away. If we were set up to try and win games rather than simply not to lose our season ticket might have had more use.

Ray_
17-02-2013, 09:23 PM
Pressure? As in pressure for the board to deliver a product that people enjoy in conjunction with a competitive team? We have not had both for a very long time. Mowbray's team were the last to achieve this, and the record crowds reflected this.

I've only been to the new year derby this season despite having gone halfers with a mate last season on renewing so as to get a cup final ticket. Our season ticket goes unused most weeks as we don't have much interest in going and can't give it away. If we were set up to try and win games rather than simply not to lose our season ticket might have had more use.


Only half a season ticket, help ma boab, you have absolutely no right to have a full opinion on this, take one of those paragraphs away immediately. :greengrin

The Modfather
17-02-2013, 09:29 PM
Only half a season ticket, help ma boab, you have absolutely no right to have a full opinion on this, take one of those paragraphs away immediately. :greengrin

It could be worse, it could have been a 50% stake in a half season ticket. The baying mob would be at my door in that case :greengrin

Ray_
17-02-2013, 09:39 PM
It could be worse, it could have been a 50% stake in a half season ticket. The baying mob would be at my door in that case :greengrin

Now that is close to not worthy of an opinion :fenlon :greengrin

Captain Trips
17-02-2013, 11:14 PM
Nowt to do with my opinion, the facts back up everything I am saying about this season.

Regardless of the fact we have more points some folk disagree that we have made progress, so feel like you have in past.

lord bunberry
17-02-2013, 11:28 PM
These are the days it never rains but it pours.

I prefered the vanilla ice version

gegs70
17-02-2013, 11:48 PM
If Pats remit is top 6 and he achieves that...will he get a bigger budget to get some better players in? Or is that dependant on season ticket sales?

blackpoolhibs
17-02-2013, 11:58 PM
Regardless of the fact we have more points some folk disagree that we have made progress, so feel like you have in past.

Well they are idiots, the facts do no lie, read the bit i highlighted, the proof is actually in the words you typed.

Captain Trips
18-02-2013, 12:18 AM
Well they are idiots, the facts do no lie, read the bit i highlighted, the proof is actually in the words you typed.

Its a fact from my POV as is yours, CC was a joke that was also from my POV a fact but not others. People have different ideas of what progress is to them and are not idiots, thats my opinion.

blackpoolhibs
18-02-2013, 12:23 AM
Its a fact from my POV as is yours, CC was a joke that was also from my POV a fact but not others. People have different ideas of what progress is to them and are not idiots, thats my opinion.

I'm not having that, we were pish under CC, we said so. The only arguments were about the length of time he should get?

We HAVE improved under Fenlon, the facts prove it, its not an opinion.

Captain Trips
18-02-2013, 12:36 AM
I'm not having that, we were pish under CC, we said so. The only arguments were about the length of time he should get?

We HAVE improved under Fenlon, the facts prove it, its not an opinion.

As I said some have different ideas on progress, we were pish under CC but not everyone agreed I thought that was a fact. Statiscally last season PFs results were no better than CCs that was a fact but folk saw progress, statiscally we are far better off points wise but some do not think we have made progress.

For me we have made progress but seemed to have halted that progress, I just hope this isnt as far as PF can go.

monktonharp
18-02-2013, 01:11 AM
not read any of the previous posts,but, message to the board. awrite board? right, dinnae muck aboot. in fact,it's a bit late to try and enhance the playing staff in anyway for the remnainder of the season so,go into the changing room collectively exactly 30 minutes before the team heads out to the pitch for the upcoming scottish cup game.appoint a spokesman, and tell the team to get oot there, win this game at all costs and explain how much it really means to the huge amount of Hibernian fans that have turned up, because they deserve it. Also, expain that this club have had no end of bad luck, poor performances in the past, dozens of reasons why they have underperformed in this particular competion in the past but this has to stop. this year, our fans will be driven on to helping this club getting to where we want to be, and where we deserve to be with your help.get out there and prove that you are worthy of it.

monktonharp
18-02-2013, 01:44 AM
Looks like I forgot to click on the submit new thread button yesterday.

I'm not one for castigating the team or the manager. I have stood by and offered my support to both the players and the management team more in blind faith than anything else.

However, last night finally tipped me over the edge and I questioned myself if I should renew my season ticket later this year. Once my anger at the way we were beaten subsided I sent this to the board. I'll post the reply when I get one.

Dear board members,

I attended Easter Road last night for the visit of St Johnstone to once again watch my team get bossed and bullied all over the park with the game ending in a humiliating defeat. Not so long ago we were proudly sitting top of the league and scoring goals for fun but since our visit to Dens Park it has all gone horribly wrong (with the odd exception).

The team used to fight for each other when up against it now the body language of the players shows they are looking for a team mate to blame when things go wrong. Last night was no exception as the defence stood like statues to allow St Johnstone to open the scoring. You would think the penalty save would give the team the lift they needed but it wasn't long before they were back to chasing shadows.

Where has it all gone wrong? My son was with me last night and after the game said the most exciting part of the evening was the 10 second challenge but even that was a shambles as the fourth lad in the group never got to take his third attempt to score. My son also said of the result he was embarrassed to be a Hibs fan last night, strong words from a 15 year old.

As our game had been moved to Monday night, I took the opportunity of going along to Meadowbank on Saturday to watch Edinburgh City against Edinburgh University. Night and day compared to what was on offer last night. Four excellent goals, passing football, a joy to watch and only a fiver to get in.

I am a Hibs fan and when season ticket renewal comes round I always take advantage of the early bird offer for two reasons. Firstly it offers me and my son very good value for money and secondly always answers you call for our manager to know well in advance what his budget for the coming year will be.

My question to the board is after last night's debacle, why should I bother to renew my season ticket?

Before you send out a stock answer, please be aware I'll be posting this letter and your reply on both hibs.net and hibees bounce for the wider Hibernian support to see.


I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards, I like, and agree with your letter. I am like you. a Hibs fan, and find it very hard to accept the apparent lack of urgency and effort on Monday. delighted at the result on Saturday, obviously but we need a definate 100% effort, at all times as we are not Barca,we're not Brasil. we are perfectly capable of matching any team in the SPL which has already been proved but lack of effort and urgency in any match is totally unacceptable.

dangermouse
18-02-2013, 09:24 AM
Do you have another letter ready tonight?

One swallow does not a summer make! A good result with a much better performance. Did forced changes to the line up make a difference? From my point of view yes as I think Tiawo offers more than Deegan, however, if Spoony can't get a game ahead of Done then he should give up altogether although to be fair to Matt he did win the penalty for us.


I don't think one away win in Paisley counts for that much, does it? Good result, but it doesn't wash away poor results and performances like the other day's against St. Johnstone. Some of the concerns the op mentions are still entirely valid and he is entitled to voice them. There's nothing wrong with that Andy.

Agreed. I still don't like the 451 formation as Sparky is not a target man. Play the ball to his feet and he'll score more goals.


Wonder what letter you sent tonight then! And I did say we would probably beat St Mirren before earlier on in this thread. Total Knee Jerk Thread. Just look at the league table.

No letter sent tonight. A better performance but still nothing to really shout about or entice lost fans back to the game. They need to keep it up and improve to progress in the cup and move further up the league.


I like, and agree with your letter. I am like you. a Hibs fan, and find it very hard to accept the apparent lack of urgency and effort on Monday. delighted at the result on Saturday, obviously but we need a definate 100% effort, at all times as we are not Barca,we're not Brasil. we are perfectly capable of matching any team in the SPL which has already been proved but lack of effort and urgency in any match is totally unacceptable.

I came away from Paisley happier than I did on Monday night. Lets hope this is a kick start to the rest of the season (how often have we heard that phrase in the last few years).

As for a response from the board they are doing one of two things, mulling over a well worded response on their plans to take the club forward in a fashion that will have fans flocking back to Easter Road or they are completely ignoring me. I hope it's the former.

The Modfather
18-02-2013, 09:28 AM
while its true we don't decide we do put pressure on the club, and the pressure we are putting on them at the minute is ridiculous.

What pressure are we putting on the club? Pressure to do what?

Lets not lose sight of the fact the club owe us an awfull lot given the last 5 or so years.

lord bunberry
18-02-2013, 09:37 AM
One swallow does not a summer make! A good result with a much better performance. Did forced changes to the line up make a difference? From my point of view yes as I think Tiawo offers more than Deegan, however, if Spoony can't get a game ahead of Done then he should give up altogether although to be fair to Matt he did win the penalty for us.



Agreed. I still don't like the 451 formation as Sparky is not a target man. Play the ball to his feet and he'll score more goals.



No letter sent tonight. A better performance but still nothing to really shout about or entice lost fans back to the game. They need to keep it up and improve to progress in the cup and move further up the league.



I came away from Paisley happier than I did on Monday night. Lets hope this is a kick start to the rest of the season (how often have we heard that phrase in the last few years).

As for a response from the board they are doing one of two things, mulling over a well worded response on their plans to take the club forward in a fashion that will have fans flocking back to Easter Road or they are completely ignoring me. I hope it's the former.

I will be surprised if you get a response tbh. Your last sentence of your letter stating that you were posting the letter and the response on here means that any response they give you effectively becomes an official statement from the club. There is no way the board will comment officially on our style of play or our perceived lack of effort as it would undermine the manager. So you may be waiting for a long time if you think you will get a meaningful response

blackpoolhibs
18-02-2013, 09:41 AM
What pressure are we putting on the club? Pressure to do what?

Lets not lose sight of the fact the club owe us an awfull lot given the last 5 or so years.

Like what, just what do they owe us Frank?:confused:

Ray_
18-02-2013, 09:53 AM
Like what, just what do they owe us Frank?:confused:

Try asking that to some of the once die hard's that have in recent years, given up the ghost after being a regular for more years than you or I.

blackpoolhibs
18-02-2013, 10:03 AM
Try asking that to some of the once die hard's that have in recent years, given up the ghost after being a regular for more years than you or I.

I thought that's exactly what i just asked? :confused:

Ray_
18-02-2013, 10:20 AM
I thought that's exactly what i just asked? :confused:

How can that be? You asked Frank, who's age is listed as 27, that question.

To be fair, Frank not getting his regular fix can mean as much to him as it is for somebody who has been going regularly for fifty years. I used the "longer than you or I" to illustrate the impact recent years has had on long term supporters. There has been a large number on here who have themselves stopped going after an obscene length of time or know of others, of that vintage, who have given up and some of my long time friends and family have done the same as me and a couple of them only have a 10 minute journey, not two days like me.

Andy74
18-02-2013, 10:25 AM
One swallow does not a summer make! A good result with a much better performance. Did forced changes to the line up make a difference? From my point of view yes as I think Tiawo offers more than Deegan, however, if Spoony can't get a game ahead of Done then he should give up altogether although to be fair to Matt he did win the penalty for us.



Agreed. I still don't like the 451 formation as Sparky is not a target man. Play the ball to his feet and he'll score more goals.



No letter sent tonight. A better performance but still nothing to really shout about or entice lost fans back to the game. They need to keep it up and improve to progress in the cup and move further up the league.



I came away from Paisley happier than I did on Monday night. Lets hope this is a kick start to the rest of the season (how often have we heard that phrase in the last few years).

As for a response from the board they are doing one of two things, mulling over a well worded response on their plans to take the club forward in a fashion that will have fans flocking back to Easter Road or they are completely ignoring me. I hope it's the former.
Strange points to make when your letter the way it was worded was pretty much in response to that one abject game last week. We haven't seen lack of effort in any other games.

The Modfather
18-02-2013, 11:45 AM
Like what, just what do they owe us Frank?:confused:

Value for the small fortune we pay for Scottish football, and a return for the hours we give up of our weekend.

If you want me, as one of the lost fans, to specifically answer from my point of view happy to do so.

• Win, lose or draw, try to play football. Ball on the ground, passing and movement. Not defensive hoofball.
• Give the youngsters a chance. I'd be far more willing to accept a flawed youngster rough around the edges making mistakes as they learn the game than the journeymen we have had to endure.
• An end to the constant transition of a sizeable percentage of our team being made up of loan players every season. Which isn't to say we shouldn't be taking advantage of the loan market, but it should be there, in the main, to supplement the squad not make up the backbone of the first team. If that means playing youngsters in the interim as we wean of our dependency on loans then so be it.

Results and league placings are not the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy my Saturday afternoons, the money is a factor and we pay far more than it's worth, but my time is the most important factor to me. I looked forward to attending games during the Mowbray era, even the ones our young inconsistent team would throw away. It was attacking and vibrant, percentage football grinding out results, even if it was to get us second this season, isn't what will entice me back.

truehibernian
18-02-2013, 12:05 PM
Value for the small fortune we pay for Scottish football, and a return for the hours we give up of our weekend.

If you want me, as one of the lost fans, to specifically answer from my point of view happy to do so.

• Win, lose or draw, try to play football. Ball on the ground, passing and movement. Not defensive hoofball.
• Give the youngsters a chance. I'd be far more willing to accept a flawed youngster rough around the edges making mistakes as they learn the game than the journeymen we have had to endure.
• An end to the constant transition of a sizeable percentage of our team being made up of loan players every season. Which isn't to say we shouldn't be taking advantage of the loan market, but it should be there, in the main, to supplement the squad not make up the backbone of the first team. If that means playing youngsters in the interim as we wean of our dependency on loans then so be it.

Results and league placings are not the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy my Saturday afternoons, the money is a factor and we pay far more than it's worth, but my time is the most important factor to me. I looked forward to attending games during the Mowbray era, even the ones our young inconsistent team would throw away. It was attacking and vibrant, percentage football grinding out results, even if it was to get us second this season, isn't what will entice me back.

The seasons of managerial upheaval have left the incoming manager (pick one from many) little option but to explore the loan market, whilst trying to retain the decent ones (if any) and release those that are not in plans - a constant very annoying revolving door of players and managers.

Now we are seeking, and I think will have, consistency (until we win the Scottish and get 2nd, then Fenlon will be courted by many :greengrin). You can already see the building blocks with the securing of Craig and Robertson on full deals. The likes of Clancy, Cairney, McPake and Williams also secured. A chance perhaps of getting Ryan McGivern and Leigh on permanent contracts. Hanlon signed longer term, and being honest, starting to look the more secure, dependable centre half next to McPake - his game has really come on.

I totally agree we need a real attacking edge - just hope we see Pat and the team bringing in good, young, raw talent who are champing at the bit to win games of football. I'm sure they will come.

Sammy7nil
18-02-2013, 12:54 PM
Nowt to do with my opinion, the facts back up everything I am saying about this season.

Lies. Damn Lies and statistics :wink::greengrin

Golden Bear
18-02-2013, 01:35 PM
Value for the small fortune we pay for Scottish football, and a return for the hours we give up of our weekend.

If you want me, as one of the lost fans, to specifically answer from my point of view happy to do so.

• Win, lose or draw, try to play football. Ball on the ground, passing and movement. Not defensive hoofball.
• Give the youngsters a chance. I'd be far more willing to accept a flawed youngster rough around the edges making mistakes as they learn the game than the journeymen we have had to endure.
• An end to the constant transition of a sizeable percentage of our team being made up of loan players every season. Which isn't to say we shouldn't be taking advantage of the loan market, but it should be there, in the main, to supplement the squad not make up the backbone of the first team. If that means playing youngsters in the interim as we wean of our dependency on loans then so be it.

Results and league placings are not the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy my Saturday afternoons, the money is a factor and we pay far more than it's worth, but my time is the most important factor to me. I looked forward to attending games during the Mowbray era, even the ones our young inconsistent team would throw away. It was attacking and vibrant, percentage football grinding out results, even if it was to get us second this season, isn't what will entice me back.

:top marks

gegs70
18-02-2013, 01:56 PM
Value for the small fortune we pay for Scottish football, and a return for the hours we give up of our weekend.

If you want me, as one of the lost fans, to specifically answer from my point of view happy to do so.

• Win, lose or draw, try to play football. Ball on the ground, passing and movement. Not defensive hoofball.
• Give the youngsters a chance. I'd be far more willing to accept a flawed youngster rough around the edges making mistakes as they learn the game than the journeymen we have had to endure.
• An end to the constant transition of a sizeable percentage of our team being made up of loan players every season. Which isn't to say we shouldn't be taking advantage of the loan market, but it should be there, in the main, to supplement the squad not make up the backbone of the first team. If that means playing youngsters in the interim as we wean of our dependency on loans then so be it.

Results and league placings are not the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy my Saturday afternoons, the money is a factor and we pay far more than it's worth, but my time is the most important factor to me. I looked forward to attending games during the Mowbray era, even the ones our young inconsistent team would throw away. It was attacking and vibrant, percentage football grinding out results, even if it was to get us second this season, isn't what will entice me back.


Totally agree:aok:

lord bunberry
18-02-2013, 02:47 PM
Value for the small fortune we pay for Scottish football, and a return for the hours we give up of our weekend.

If you want me, as one of the lost fans, to specifically answer from my point of view happy to do so.

• Win, lose or draw, try to play football. Ball on the ground, passing and movement. Not defensive hoofball.
• Give the youngsters a chance. I'd be far more willing to accept a flawed youngster rough around the edges making mistakes as they learn the game than the journeymen we have had to endure.
• An end to the constant transition of a sizeable percentage of our team being made up of loan players every season. Which isn't to say we shouldn't be taking advantage of the loan market, but it should be there, in the main, to supplement the squad not make up the backbone of the first team. If that means playing youngsters in the interim as we wean of our dependency on loans then so be it.

Results and league placings are not the be all and end all for me. I want to enjoy my Saturday afternoons, the money is a factor and we pay far more than it's worth, but my time is the most important factor to me. I looked forward to attending games during the Mowbray era, even the ones our young inconsistent team would throw away. It was attacking and vibrant, percentage football grinding out results, even if it was to get us second this season, isn't what will entice me back.

One of the main problems with that statement is that you may well be prepared to accept defeats as long as we are trying to play silky football but its unlikely the board will. Imo we had to toughen up and improve our league position before we can start thinking about the next stage which will hopefully involve signing more skillful players. Its much easier to play the younger players when we've got a more settled team. From what I've read on here pat knows what we expect of him and he will be working towards that goal. As for enticing you back I would hope you would maybe come to a few games this season and see that we aren't as bad as some are making out

Lucius Apuleius
18-02-2013, 02:55 PM
One of the main problems with that statement is that you may well be prepared to accept defeats as long as we are trying to play silky football but its unlikely the board will. Imo we had to toughen up and improve our league position before we can start thinking about the next stage which will hopefully involve signing more skillful players. Its much easier to play the younger players when we've got a more settled team. From what I've read on here pat knows what we expect of him and he will be working towards that goal. As for enticing you back I would hope you would maybe come to a few games this season and see that we aren't as bad as some are making out

This.

blackpoolhibs
18-02-2013, 03:50 PM
So we have to have value for money now? While i dont disagree with this, i'd say we needed to get a lot more right before the flair football we all seem to crave, but few have ever seen back?

And while we are in the process of getting this great style of football, the Hibs way of playing that very few have actually seen. We will toddle off and watch SSN or play golf or go to Sainsburys each Saturday while the club get it done, only to saunter back when this is achieved.

And while we bugger off doing other things, we also reserve the right to slaughter anything and everything the club does until such times as we reach a final.

Then its why cant i get a ticket, i have 20-30-40 years on the clock watching this pish. I also buy a t shirt every year, and a Hibs Jacket?

:rolleyes:

M6hibee
18-02-2013, 05:12 PM
Can see where Blackpool is coming fae here. Aye, games like last Monday night are rank and frustrating and you leave the ground thinking this is bliddy awful. However, the auld saying of Rome wisnae built in a day is relevant here. It's gonnae take time tae rebuild the abject sate the squad was in fae last season. What was I expecting this season? Signs of improvement from the last one. Have we achieved this? By and large, aye. Work to be done still of course but fenlon has taken us on fae last season and deserves tae continue tae build

NAE NOOKIE
18-02-2013, 06:44 PM
As a former happy clapper heres my opinion.

Any right a team representing Hibernian football club had to have a performance like last Monday .... forgiven ... talerated .... rationalized or in any other way accepted was washed away on the 19th of May 2012.

I dont give a Rats arse if every other club in the SPL has off days or plays rubbish football. I also dont care if its looked upon by other fans of the club as being negative or not buying into the clubs grand plan to achieve footballing Nirvana in the next few years.

Fans like me who have refused to overly criticise the team or boo them off at full time after what has been ( in a lot of seasons ) 'yet another' rubbish performance are, I can now see, at least partly responsible for what happened to us.

By that I dont mean we should stop going ..... but I for one will let it be known long and loud from now on that I am not prepared to accept the fact that I am happy to have my years of loyalty ... thousands of miles travelled and thousands of pounds spent and LOVE for this football club disrespected by any past, present or current group of players who either couldnt be bothered on the night or just didnt have the talent or brains to overcome a team we should be able to beat.

Winning at St Mirren was the least Hibs could have done to pay the fans back for Monday.

I want us to bloody well win things and if booing the team every time they play like a bunch of Sunday league amatuers who were out on the lash the night before is the way to get them to do that then thats what I for one will be doing from now on.

After all these years it would appear that nice just doesnt work.

So there !!!

Captain Trips
18-02-2013, 06:52 PM
As a former happy clapper heres my opinion.

Any right a team representing Hibernian football club had to have a performance like last Monday .... forgiven ... talerated .... rationalized or in any other way accepted was washed away on the 19th of May 2012.

I dont give a Rats arse if every other club in the SPL has off days or plays rubbish football. I also dont care if its looked upon by other fans of the club as being negative or not buying into the clubs grand plan to achieve footballing Nirvana in the next few years.

Fans like me who have refused to overly criticise the team or boo them off at full time after what has been ( in a lot of seasons ) 'yet another' rubbish performance are, I can now see, at least partly responsible for what happened to us.

By that I dont mean we should stop going ..... but I for one will let it be known long and loud from now on that I am not prepared to accept the fact that I am happy to have my years of loyalty ... thousands of miles travelled and thousands of pounds spent and LOVE for this football club disrespected by any past, present or current group of players who either couldnt be bothered on the night or just didnt have the talent or brains to overcome a team we should be able to beat.

Winning at St Mirren was the least Hibs could have done to pay the fans back for Monday.

I want us to bloody well win things and if booing the team every time they play like a bunch of Sunday league amatuers who were out on the lash the night before is the way to get them to do that then thats what I for one will be doing from now on.

After all these years it would appear that nice just doesnt work.

So there !!!

Good honest post I know where you are coming from.

Ray_
18-02-2013, 07:42 PM
Can see where Blackpool is coming fae here. Aye, games like last Monday night are rank and frustrating and you leave the ground thinking this is bliddy awful. However, the auld saying of Rome wisnae built in a day is relevant here. It's gonnae take time tae rebuild the abject sate the squad was in fae last season. What was I expecting this season? Signs of improvement from the last one. Have we achieved this? By and large, aye. Work to be done still of course but fenlon has taken us on fae last season and deserves tae continue tae build

I don't, the football under TM was pretty impressive and for a man that seems obsessed with people and the past, that wasn't too long ago, so the "few have ever seen" is at best, puzzling.

As for Rome isn't built etc. It was clear after the May debacle that we weren't facing a normal situation. Not only had we the dire form during that season and the rapid decline since 2007, but many believed the board to be more than culpable for the events that led up to it. When you get people deserting the club after, using Blackpool's 20-30-40 years, [and more], it was always going to take something special to get a lot of folk buying in to the club again.

As for folk still coming on here and making comments on the team, you can't completely stop an interest [love] many have had since childhood and when we are talking the amount of years mentioned, of course folk will use a medium like the forums to keep a part of it & of course some will still be bitterly disappointed that it got to as bad as it did to make them decide to do something they thought would never happen.

The whole idea that because you have stopped [after many decades] of going to games, prevents you from having an opinion on this season, is an observation from somebody who has clearly lost all sense of reality.

Ray_
18-02-2013, 07:46 PM
As a former happy clapper heres my opinion.

Any right a team representing Hibernian football club had to have a performance like last Monday .... forgiven ... talerated .... rationalized or in any other way accepted was washed away on the 19th of May 2012.

I dont give a Rats arse if every other club in the SPL has off days or plays rubbish football. I also dont care if its looked upon by other fans of the club as being negative or not buying into the clubs grand plan to achieve footballing Nirvana in the next few years.

Fans like me who have refused to overly criticise the team or boo them off at full time after what has been ( in a lot of seasons ) 'yet another' rubbish performance are, I can now see, at least partly responsible for what happened to us.

By that I dont mean we should stop going ..... but I for one will let it be known long and loud from now on that I am not prepared to accept the fact that I am happy to have my years of loyalty ... thousands of miles travelled and thousands of pounds spent and LOVE for this football club disrespected by any past, present or current group of players who either couldnt be bothered on the night or just didnt have the talent or brains to overcome a team we should be able to beat.

Winning at St Mirren was the least Hibs could have done to pay the fans back for Monday.

I want us to bloody well win things and if booing the team every time they play like a bunch of Sunday league amatuers who were out on the lash the night before is the way to get them to do that then thats what I for one will be doing from now on.

After all these years it would appear that nice just doesnt work.

So there !!!

:top marks

gegs70
18-02-2013, 08:11 PM
We all have an opinion, regardless of how many times we have been to the ground or what we have bought.

Fans buy tickets for games for various different reasons, promise of a cup final ticket, the hope thst its better than last season ( or the last 4or 5), because they always have, to go with friend or family. A lot of my friends stopped going got out of the habbit had a family or a mortgage so the cost was an issue, to be honest I dont know how you get they fans back on a regular basis. I take my son and he is getting fed up with the league and the way we play hasnt bee free flowing.

I think we do need to reconsider how we do things. We need a reserve league and keep a few players beyong under 20.....we also need to bring a lot more of these players through rather than use loan deals for under19s from other clubs otherwise our youth set up is just a waste of time. blend youth and experience. Although we have got cairney from the lower leagues and he seems to have done well.

Stevie Reid
18-02-2013, 08:21 PM
As I said some have different ideas on progress, we were pish under CC but not everyone agreed I thought that was a fact. Statiscally last season PFs results were no better than CCs that was a fact but folk saw progress, statiscally we are far better off points wise but some do not think we have made progress.

For me we have made progress but seemed to have halted that progress, I just hope this isnt as far as PF can go.

Look at the two tables, a year apart - surely even the most difficult to please supporter must acknowledge that reasonable progress has been made in that time. Look how far behind we were the teams that we are now above.



1
Celtic (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic)
27
42
68


2
Rangers (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers)
27
35
51


3
Motherwell (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/motherwell)
26
5
45


4
Hearts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/heart-of-midlothian)
27
5
36


5
St Johnstone (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-johnstone)
26
1
36


6
Kilmarnock (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/kilmarnock)
26
-6
32


7
Dundee Utd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dundee-united)
26
-1
31


8
Aberdeen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aberdeen)
27
-3
31


9
St Mirren (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-mirren)
27
-11
29


10
Inverness CT (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/inverness-caledonian-thistle)
26
-11
27


11
Hibernian (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian)
26
-26
19


12
Dunfermline (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dunfermline-athletic)
27
-30
19






1
Celtic (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic)
26
41
58


2
Motherwell (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/motherwell)
25
9
40


3
Inverness CT (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/inverness-caledonian-thistle)
26
6
38


4
Hibernian (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian)
27
0
37


5
Kilmarnock (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/kilmarnock)
27
6
36


6
St Johnstone (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-johnstone)
26
0
36


7
Aberdeen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aberdeen)
27
-2
36


8
Ross County (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ross-county)
26
-2
35


9
Dundee Utd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dundee-united)
26
-6
33


10
Hearts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/heart-of-midlothian)
26
-9
30


11
St Mirren (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-mirren)
26
-11
29


12
Dundee (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dundee)
26
-32
14

Captain Trips
18-02-2013, 08:24 PM
Look at the two tables, a year apart - surely even the most difficult to please supporter must acknowledge that reasonable progress has been made in that time. Look how far behind we were the teams that we are now above.



1
Celtic (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic)
27
42
68


2
Rangers (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers)
27
35
51


3
Motherwell (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/motherwell)
26
5
45


4
Hearts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/heart-of-midlothian)
27
5
36


5
St Johnstone (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-johnstone)
26
1
36


6
Kilmarnock (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/kilmarnock)
26
-6
32


7
Dundee Utd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dundee-united)
26
-1
31


8
Aberdeen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aberdeen)
27
-3
31


9
St Mirren (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-mirren)
27
-11
29


10
Inverness CT (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/inverness-caledonian-thistle)
26
-11
27


11
Hibernian (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian)
26
-26
19


12
Dunfermline (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dunfermline-athletic)
27
-30
19






1
Celtic (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/celtic)
26
41
58


2
Motherwell (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/motherwell)
25
9
40


3
Inverness CT (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/inverness-caledonian-thistle)
26
6
38


4
Hibernian (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian)
27
0
37


5
Kilmarnock (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/kilmarnock)
27
6
36


6
St Johnstone (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-johnstone)
26
0
36


7
Aberdeen (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aberdeen)
27
-2
36


8
Ross County (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/ross-county)
26
-2
35


9
Dundee Utd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dundee-united)
26
-6
33


10
Hearts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/heart-of-midlothian)
26
-9
30


11
St Mirren (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/st-mirren)
26
-11
29


12
Dundee (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/dundee)
26
-32
14



I havent said we havent made progress you will need to ask those that havent what their parameters are.

Stevie Reid
18-02-2013, 08:26 PM
I havent said we havent made progress you will need to ask those that havent what their parameters are.

Fair enough, but you have implied that we haven't progressed quickly enough - that table shows that we are currently the most improved team in SPL by quite some distance. Even given the resources that Pat has at his disposal, we have moved on quickly.

lord bunberry
18-02-2013, 08:28 PM
As a former happy clapper heres my opinion.

Any right a team representing Hibernian football club had to have a performance like last Monday .... forgiven ... talerated .... rationalized or in any other way accepted was washed away on the 19th of May 2012.

I dont give a Rats arse if every other club in the SPL has off days or plays rubbish football. I also dont care if its looked upon by other fans of the club as being negative or not buying into the clubs grand plan to achieve footballing Nirvana in the next few years.

Fans like me who have refused to overly criticise the team or boo them off at full time after what has been ( in a lot of seasons ) 'yet another' rubbish performance are, I can now see, at least partly responsible for what happened to us.

By that I dont mean we should stop going ..... but I for one will let it be known long and loud from now on that I am not prepared to accept the fact that I am happy to have my years of loyalty ... thousands of miles travelled and thousands of pounds spent and LOVE for this football club disrespected by any past, present or current group of players who either couldnt be bothered on the night or just didnt have the talent or brains to overcome a team we should be able to beat.

Winning at St Mirren was the least Hibs could have done to pay the fans back for Monday.

I want us to bloody well win things and if booing the team every time they play like a bunch of Sunday league amatuers who were out on the lash the night before is the way to get them to do that then thats what I for one will be doing from now on.

After all these years it would appear that nice just doesnt work.

So there !!!

Your absolutely right with that. You have paid good money to watch our team you have probably had to work hard to earn that money. If your unhappy at the way the team has played then you should let them know that. I've never had a problem with fans giving the team and manager some stick at the end of the game its the people who are at it all game that I get fed up with

gegs70
18-02-2013, 08:40 PM
The league this year has been a little tighter so while points wise we .have mafe some headway. I still feel that the team is still vulnerable in key areas throughout the team. One being that like last year our main goal threat comes from one player.

I will always support hibs but wish we would play some football surely the way our league is set up 1 going down they should be able to encourage good football?

ancient hibee
18-02-2013, 08:54 PM
not read any of the previous posts,but, message to the board. awrite board? right, dinnae muck aboot. in fact,it's a bit late to try and enhance the playing staff in anyway for the remnainder of the season so,go into the changing room collectively exactly 30 minutes before the team heads out to the pitch for the upcoming scottish cup game.appoint a spokesman, and tell the team to get oot there, win this game at all costs and explain how much it really means to the huge amount of Hibernian fans that have turned up, because they deserve it. Also, expain that this club have had no end of bad luck, poor performances in the past, dozens of reasons why they have underperformed in this particular competion in the past but this has to stop. this year, our fans will be driven on to helping this club getting to where we want to be, and where we deserve to be with your help.get out there and prove that you are worthy of it.

Many managers won't let anyone from the board into the dressing room after the game never mind before and quite right too.Fine sentiments but not the right time.


I try not to say that I've been watching Hibs probably longer than anyone on here-but I will 'cos I have and I have to tell some of you young uns that periods of "flair football"have been few and far between.There have been times of great excitement and times of dreadful mediocrity often in the same week.When Baker played we had one of our worst ever defences and particularly when Johnstone left Joe's goals came not from flair but from his bravery and speed in chasing down clearances-I believe it's called hoofball now.When the tornadoes were at their peak we didn't win as much as we should have because we folded in big games-what that defence would have given for a Rob Jones or a James McPake who would have launched the ball into row ZZ instead of trying to play football.We enjoyed Mowbray's team because of the number of youngsters playing but again they were too soft and inexperienced when it mattered most.Only 2 teams have won more games than us this season but only 2 teams have lost more.This shows that we are a work in progress and it's noticeable that a number of the games we've lost like Aberdeen and Motherwell were as a result of trying to keep the game open.There are only two certainties in football -one is that if you don't lose a goal you won't lose the game and the other is that if you don't score a goal you won't win the game.But there's a third angle which is that you can score as many goals as you like but it doesn't mean you will win the game.I think Fenlon takes this view and will continue to play it tight for the rest of the season.Every game 1-0 with penalties will do fine for me.


Away for my cocoa now.

M6hibee
18-02-2013, 08:55 PM
I don't, the football under TM was pretty impressive and for a man that seems obsessed with people and the past, that wasn't too long ago, so the "few have ever seen" is at best, puzzling.

As for Rome isn't built etc. It was clear after the May debacle that we weren't facing a normal situation. Not only had we the dire form during that season and the rapid decline since 2007, but many believed the board to be more than culpable for the events that led up to it. When you get people deserting the club after, using Blackpool's 20-30-40 years, [and more], it was always going to take something special to get a lot of folk buying in to the club again.

As for folk still coming on here and making comments on the team, you can't completely stop an interest [love] many have had since childhood and when we are talking the amount of years mentioned, of course folk will use a medium like the forums to keep a part of it & of course some will still be bitterly disappointed that it got to as bad as it did to make them decide to do something they thought would never happen.

The whole idea that because you have stopped [after many decades] of going to games, prevents you from having an opinion on this season, is an observation from somebody who has clearly lost all sense of reality.

Fair enough mate but tae be clear I was NOT criticising any fan who may have lapsed. I'm not a uber fan at all. All I was referring to was the view that we are still a work ongoing, that's all.

Stevie Reid
18-02-2013, 10:08 PM
Another couple of things worth noting (IMO): -

- We have matched our points total from 2010-11 when we finished 10th.

- We have won 10 league games out of 27 this season. Prior to this season we had won 10 out of 49 SPL games (1 March 2011 - 12 May 2012). We lost 27 of those games.

FranckSuzy
18-02-2013, 10:28 PM
Many managers won't let anyone from the board into the dressing room after the game never mind before and quite right too.Fine sentiments but not the right time.


I try not to say that I've been watching Hibs probably longer than anyone on here-but I will 'cos I have and I have to tell some of you young uns that periods of "flair football"have been few and far between.There have been times of great excitement and times of dreadful mediocrity often in the same week.When Baker played we had one of our worst ever defences and particularly when Johnstone left Joe's goals came not from flair but from his bravery and speed in chasing down clearances-I believe it's called hoofball now.When the tornadoes were at their peak we didn't win as much as we should have because we folded in big games-what that defence would have given for a Rob Jones or a James McPake who would have launched the ball into row ZZ instead of trying to play football.We enjoyed Mowbray's team because of the number of youngsters playing but again they were too soft and inexperienced when it mattered most.Only 2 teams have won more games than us this season but only 2 teams have lost more.This shows that we are a work in progress and it's noticeable that a number of the games we've lost like Aberdeen and Motherwell were as a result of trying to keep the game open.There are only two certainties in football -one is that if you don't lose a goal you won't lose the game and the other is that if you don't score a goal you won't win the game.But there's a third angle which is that you can score as many goals as you like but it doesn't mean you will win the game.I think Fenlon takes this view and will continue to play it tight for the rest of the season.Every game 1-0 with penalties will do fine for me.


Away for my cocoa now.

:top marks Possibly one of the most sensible posts I've read on here.

blackpoolhibs
18-02-2013, 10:38 PM
Many managers won't let anyone from the board into the dressing room after the game never mind before and quite right too.Fine sentiments but not the right time.


I try not to say that I've been watching Hibs probably longer than anyone on here-but I will 'cos I have and I have to tell some of you young uns that periods of "flair football"have been few and far between.There have been times of great excitement and times of dreadful mediocrity often in the same week.When Baker played we had one of our worst ever defences and particularly when Johnstone left Joe's goals came not from flair but from his bravery and speed in chasing down clearances-I believe it's called hoofball now.When the tornadoes were at their peak we didn't win as much as we should have because we folded in big games-what that defence would have given for a Rob Jones or a James McPake who would have launched the ball into row ZZ instead of trying to play football.We enjoyed Mowbray's team because of the number of youngsters playing but again they were too soft and inexperienced when it mattered most.Only 2 teams have won more games than us this season but only 2 teams have lost more.This shows that we are a work in progress and it's noticeable that a number of the games we've lost like Aberdeen and Motherwell were as a result of trying to keep the game open.There are only two certainties in football -one is that if you don't lose a goal you won't lose the game and the other is that if you don't score a goal you won't win the game.But there's a third angle which is that you can score as many goals as you like but it doesn't mean you will win the game.I think Fenlon takes this view and will continue to play it tight for the rest of the season.Every game 1-0 with penalties will do fine for me.


Away for my cocoa now.

Enjoy your cocoa. :top marks :thumbsup:

Jonnyboy
18-02-2013, 10:39 PM
:top marks Possibly one of the most sensible posts I've read on here.

Agreed. Especially the bit about the cocoa :greengrin

monktonharp
19-02-2013, 12:39 AM
aw well . fair enough. ok, message to the board....away ' n hae a nice wee cocoa, after the game and discuss what went wrong as we got tumbled out of the cup. there's always next year, and remember board, we are a team in transition/progress/blah blah. and let's not forget, it will get us nowhere by offering large bonuses for trying to encourage modern day footballers to actually win something. :rolleyes:

TrickyNicky
19-02-2013, 01:51 AM
aw well . fair enough. ok, message to the board....away ' n hae a nice wee cocoa, after the game and discuss what went wrong as we got tumbled out of the cup. there's always next year, and remember board, we are a team in transition/progress/blah blah. and let's not forget, it will get us nowhere by offering large bonuses for trying to encourage modern day footballers to actually win something. :rolleyes:

Would you like a tiny teddy with that?:greengrin

Stevie Reid
19-02-2013, 10:13 AM
Many managers won't let anyone from the board into the dressing room after the game never mind before and quite right too.Fine sentiments but not the right time.


I try not to say that I've been watching Hibs probably longer than anyone on here-but I will 'cos I have and I have to tell some of you young uns that periods of "flair football"have been few and far between.There have been times of great excitement and times of dreadful mediocrity often in the same week.When Baker played we had one of our worst ever defences and particularly when Johnstone left Joe's goals came not from flair but from his bravery and speed in chasing down clearances-I believe it's called hoofball now.When the tornadoes were at their peak we didn't win as much as we should have because we folded in big games-what that defence would have given for a Rob Jones or a James McPake who would have launched the ball into row ZZ instead of trying to play football.We enjoyed Mowbray's team because of the number of youngsters playing but again they were too soft and inexperienced when it mattered most.Only 2 teams have won more games than us this season but only 2 teams have lost more.This shows that we are a work in progress and it's noticeable that a number of the games we've lost like Aberdeen and Motherwell were as a result of trying to keep the game open.There are only two certainties in football -one is that if you don't lose a goal you won't lose the game and the other is that if you don't score a goal you won't win the game.But there's a third angle which is that you can score as many goals as you like but it doesn't mean you will win the game.I think Fenlon takes this view and will continue to play it tight for the rest of the season.Every game 1-0 with penalties will do fine for me.


Away for my cocoa now.

Really intriguing bit of insight into the past, AH - great post :aok:

The Modfather
19-02-2013, 11:05 AM
So we have to have value for money now? While i dont disagree with this, i'd say we needed to get a lot more right before the flair football we all seem to crave, but few have ever seen back?

And while we are in the process of getting this great style of football, the Hibs way of playing that very few have actually seen. We will toddle off and watch SSN or play golf or go to Sainsburys each Saturday while the club get it done, only to saunter back when this is achieved.

And while we bugger off doing other things, we also reserve the right to slaughter anything and everything the club does until such times as we reach a final.

Then its why cant i get a ticket, i have 20-30-40 years on the clock watching this pish. I also buy a t shirt every year, and a Hibs Jacket?

:rolleyes:

Blackpool, were you living in a cave during the Mowbray years? Most of your posts have this recurring theme - "the flair football we all seem to crave, but few have ever seen". We had that only 5 years ago, although I accept it's seems like an eternity given what we've had since. It's not a coincidence that 5 years ago we had record crowds and merchandising etc, at the same time as we had a homegrown team trying to play football "the Hibs way" as you like to refer to.

I have a certain amount of sympathy for Fenlon, while I'm not 100% convinced by him just yet, he isn't the reason we've had to endure the last 5 or so years. My patience with Hibs and our, seemingly, never ending transition has worn out. Fenlon may be doing exactly what's needed in making us hard to watch, but also hard to beat. However, while we patiently waited to come out of the transitional period the stronger for it, we got worse and worse. I no longer have the same blind loyalty I used to have. I now, consciously or not, see Hibs as a business, and as such I'll act as a customer. Hibs had my money, and more importanlty time up front for a long time, with the promise of what was to come. The promise never materialised, so now I will evaluate what is on offer for that price and decide if it is value or entertainment.

While it is leaning towards a different topic, and a whole different argument. If Petrie was to go I may feel differently, and genuinely see it as a new dawn and buy in from the start once again.