Liam Craig Signed on Pre-Contract (merged)

[Russell The Dug]

According to today's sun.

Very good signing if true. Especially if Claros goes and the Deegan returning down south rumours are true.

[Sir David Gray]

I would be delighted if we signed him.

Pity it's not for January though.

[Jones28]

Would be an excellent signing :agree:

[Russell The Dug]

I would be delighted if we signed him.

Pity it's not for January though.

Rumours are it will be Ivan and cash for him if he agrees to sign in Jan. be great if true mate.

[Sean1875]

Said for a while he'd be a great signing, fingers crossed :agree:

[Cameron1875]

Well he always seems to score against us so at least that problem would be solved.

[hibeefan95]

I'd be delighted if this is true :agree:

[AlbertK86]

According to today's sun.

Very good signing if true. Especially if Claros goes and the Deegan returning down south rumours are true.

Not heard about Deegan ... What's the story there

[3pm]

Not heard about Deegan ... What's the story there

I really like both but I'd let either leave if it means we can can someone else in who will pitch in with a few goals.

[Pretty Boy]

Decent steady Eddie SPL player.

Be happy enough with that signing.

[Billy Whizz]

Not heard about Deegan ... What's the story there

I wonder if the George St incident has had an effect on his family?

[Mikey]

Not heard about Deegan ... What's the story there

There isn't one, he'd just like it to happen.

[Judas Iscariot]

Would be happy with that..

Can't see it though

[Billy Whizz]

There isn't one, he'd just like it to happen.

Does he not want to be at Hibs?

[Mikey]

Does he not want to be at Hibs?

Not Deegan, RTD.

[Suburban Hibby]

not deegan, rtd.

rtd?

[Judas Iscariot]

rtd?

Russel The Dug

[Mikey]

rtd?

The poster who's making stuff up about Deegan :wink:

[Billy Whizz]

The poster who's making stuff up about Deegan :wink:

So it's bollocks then, why is he making it up?

[Judas Iscariot]

So it's bollocks then, why is he making it up?

'cos his associate broke Deegan's jaw

[Spike Mandela]

http://thesun.mobi/thescottishsun/sport/spl/4715416/Craig-top-of-Hibs-hit-list.html?mob=1

[Diclonius]

So when will Hearts do their usual and offer more money than us? :dunno:

Oh wait.

[hibby rae]

I wonder if the George St incident has had an effect on his family?

One of the hibs fan pages on fb posted something unsubstantiated yesterdat. The next day the sun are running the story, also unsubstantiated. I'll wait for something a bit more concrete.

[Iggy Pope]

According to today's sun.

Very good signing if true. Especially if Claros goes and the Deegan returning down south rumours are true.


Not heard about Deegan ... What's the story there


There isn't one, he'd just like it to happen.


Does he not want to be at Hibs?


Not Deegan, RTD.


rtd?


Russel The Dug


The poster who's making stuff up about Deegan :wink:


:faf:
That really was a 'Who is the Prime Minister of China' moment there. Comedy gold.

[ekhibee]

so basically, the Sun's talking ***** about Craig? Or is the rumour about Deegan *****, or both?

[Jones28]

so basically, the Sun's talking ***** about Craig? Or is the rumour about Deegan *****, or both?

I think it's safe to say both of the above rumours are pending fish man confirmation :agree:

[Purple & Green]

Whether Deegan stays depends to a large extent on whether hibs offer to extend his contract.

[Green Fish]

LC was seen at ER during Summer so hopefully it happens :greengrin

[Onceinawhile]

Would be a very good signing. Can he play left mid or is he more central?

[Rossco1875]

LC was seen at ER during Summer so hopefully it happens :greengrin


Ive seen him at easter road quite a lot to :greengrin


Good signing if it happens:thumbsup:

[Russell The Dug]

'cos his associate broke Deegan's jaw

Woah, wait a minute, admins of hibs.net accusing others of making up stories.

He's not an "associate" so that's a lie.

I never made anything up so that's a lie

And even if I was an associate why would I want Deegan to leave? He's a good player for our club and was the victim of an unprovoked assault.

Bash on with your slandering though.

Would love to hear the main admin of here explaining why I would like it to happen though but like on the thread about Riordan and Garry getting over the top slating from hibs supporters and ignoring that to focus on other posts I expect the silence to be deafening.

[Mr White]

Defamation rather than slander in Scotland buddy.

[truehibernian]

This would be a very pleasant surprise if we signed LC - is this an acknowledgement from Pat that we need some strength/height on our left side of midfield I hope - I also hope this does mean we are close to signing Erskine too - who is an attacking/flair left sided player. My wee Thistle contact is away so can't find out :rolleyes:

A right winger too please Pat if you don't mind :agree:

[Ultrabee1-0]

My tutor at college plays darts with his dad and he has signed a pre-contract I can 100% confirm you just have to take my word!

[TheFamous1875]

How for deffo, like? That mean he'd be joining us AFTER this season, or in this window?


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[TheReg!]

Ok, let's just say that it's a done deal. BUT what does Liam Craig bring to our team as I've not really noticed him tbh? Is he better than what we have?

[hibee92]

How for deffo, like? That mean he'd be joining us AFTER this season, or in this window?


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If it's true he'd be set to sign at the end of the season unless the two clubs can come to an agreement.

I believe we did that with Nish.

[Jones28]

Good news if it comes to be true (no disrespect to the op)

Can we take this as Claros leaving then?

[JimBHibees]

Ok, let's just say that it's a done deal. BUT what does Liam Craig bring to our team as I've not really noticed him tbh? Is he better than what we have?

Naturally left sided, solid player who is a genuine goal threat. He has scored about 7 goals against Hibs in last 3 seasons or so.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ok, let's just say that it's a done deal. BUT what does Liam Craig bring to our team as I've not really noticed him tbh? Is he better than what we have?




neither have i, but apparently he always scores against us, so that means he's a really good player(apparently) i dont see it myself i'm afraid :greengrin

[Boyle89]

Good news if true. Good techincal player and will offer more of a goal threat from midfield. One of those players that always seems to play well against us.

[Geo_1875]

Apparently always scores against us. Unfortunately, he won't be playing against us.

[TheReg!]

Naturally left sided, solid player who is a genuine goal threat. He has scored about 7 goals against Hibs in last 3 seasons or so.

Does he have good pace? Because that is what is missing from our midfield, I would love to see someone like McCourt from Celtic(that type of player)

[Purple & Green]

Apparently always scores against us. Unfortunately, he won't be playing against us.

We might do better against St Johnstone though?

[Pretty Boy]

If we accept that every player we sign isn't going to be a superstar then it shouldn't be too hard to see why this would be a decent signing.

Good age, consistently decent performer in the SPL and 28 goals in 157 games for St Johnstone from midfield.

Seems a good signing to me.

[JimBHibees]

If we accept that every player we sign isn't going to be a superstar then it shouldn't be too hard to see why this would be a decent signing.

Good age, consistently decent performer in the SPL and 28 goals in 157 games for St Johnstone from midfield.

Seems a good signing to me.

Completely agree with that a consistently good performer at this level and would give us a natural left sided balance in midfield.

[S4uzee]

Can play left back aswell which is what Fenlon seems to keep saying regarding having a player being able to play in a few positions

[Heedersnvolleys]

Also free's Cairney up to play more centrally maybe?

[Golden Bear]

Also free's Cairney up to play more centrally maybe?

Pat Mcginlay --------- now there's a player we should be looking to sign.

:greengrin

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Similar reaction to this as I had with Clancy....no frills, didn't set the pulse racing but in retrospect, a solid SPL player who will have more good games than bad. In other words, a vital cog in a finely tuned engine who we would appreciate more in his absence than we would whilst a regular. Good, solid signing imho.

[FastEddieFelson]

My tutor at college plays darts with his dad and he has signed a pre-contract I can 100% confirm you just have to take my word!

that's a brilliant rumour source, by the way.

[Ultrabee1-0]

He will be joining us in the summer!

[superfurryhibby]

According to Saints official site Craig has scored 36 goals in 185 games. Not bad for a midfielder. Plays central or left midfield and has also played left back. Six career goals against Hibs.

Good stats. Would seem to be a good signing, if indeed he has.

[Jim44]

I am not disputing the truth or accuracy of the OP but it never fails to amaze me how this information leaks through to 'gossip forums' like this. The source is given as 'My tutor at college plays darts with his dad'. With all due respect to Mr Craig, you would expect a father to keep his mouth shut, especially in relation to passing acquaintences, about such private and important information about his son. I know that if I were in Liam Craig's situation, I would be pissed off with my old man if he was discussing my business with all and sundry. Unless of course the information is Tom Kite. :greengrin

[Springbank]

Only one word for this news... Magic darts

[James70]

Only an wild rumour surely, won't believe it myself until I've heard about it in Greggs. :cool2:

[Moulin Yarns]

Naturally left sided, solid player who is a genuine goal threat. He has scored about 7 goals against Hibs in last 3 seasons or so.

That makes it sound like the Old Firm school of signings. He scores against us so must be bought to prevent it happening again. :cb

[Jack Hackett]

That makes it sound like the Old Firm school of signings. He scores against us so must be bought to prevent it happening again. :cb

That's good enough for me :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Only one word for this news... Magic darts



that's two words, but anyway....time will tell if the OP's source has hit the bullseye

[Niffy]

Pat Mcginlay --------- now there's a player we should be looking to sign.

:greengrin

I'll be in Scorpio Leisure later , I'll ask him....

[JMac]

Would be a crackin' signing if it's true, he's a player who actually attacks a bit which is more than I can say for Claros, Deegan and TT

[keep the faith]

Only one word for this news... Magic darts

:wink::greengrin

[silverhibee]

180

[HibeeMG]

that's two words, but anyway....time will tell if the OP's source has hit the bullseye

If he helps us win doubles and trebles then he'll be a great signing.

[LaMotta]

that's two words, but anyway....time will tell if the OP's source has hit the bullseye


:agree: apparently Craig is getting a speedboat as part of his signing on fee

[Craig_in_Prague]

:agree: apparently Craig is getting a speedboat as part of his signing on fee

Joining Hibs, surely its a caravan !

[hungryhibs]

Am sure some 1 has already said on the form has said he had singed a pre contract last week and his source was a saints player can't argue with that can u?

[ancient hibee]

Am sure some 1 has already said on the form has said he had singed a pre contract last week and his source was a saints player can't argue with that can u?

Why not?

[cabbageandribs1875]

:agree: apparently Craig is getting a speedboat as part of his signing on fee




stay out of the black and in the red, nothing in this game for two in a bed :agree:

[hungryhibs]

Why not?


Well why? Hibs main priority is trying keep the 3 loan players and then getting other players as we can we don't spend money so things are not going change so think we as fans need to get use to it think its a good signing we offered them a player to get him but saints said no.

[Tonez]

Am sure some 1 has already said on the form has said he had singed a pre contract last week and his source was a saints player can't argue with that can u?



Yep it was me. He has signed a pre contract.


Hibs offered Ivan to try get Craig in Jan window but Saints knocked it back.

[NOLA]

stay out of the black and in the red, nothing in this game for two in a bed :agree:

lets have a look at what you could've won :aok:

[Scouse Hibee]

lets have a look at what you could've won :aok:

"And Bully's Special Priiiiize..."
"Now the cash you won for charity earlier... that's safe."
"In you come, boys!"
"Super, smashing, great." (somewhat apocryphal - Bowen said 'smashing' as a reflex action after one contestant revealed that he'd been made unemployed)
"Iiiiiiin one..."
"You win nothing but your BFH... Bus Fare Home"
(into the ad break) "I've got £___ here and it'll take me two minutes to count out."
"...And the category's gone, so I can't ask the question!"
"All for the throw of a dart"
"Go for your lights" (in the prize board round - although this changed after a while. In other series, the lights represented what they had won)
"You've got the time it takes for the board to revolve..."
"Up to the oche - and listen to Tony!"
"You can't beat a bit of Bully!"
"Bully's bellowed you out there!"
"Let's check that with Bully" (for the spelling category)
"The subjects that are lit are the ones you can hit!"
Dave Spikey version:
"You've had a good night out - but you go home with nowt!"

[California-Hibs]

Yep it was me. He has signed a pre contract.


Hibs offered Ivan to try get Craig in Jan window but Saints knocked it back.

Why hasn't this been announced yet?

[Tonez]

Why hasn't this been announced yet?



Not sure. Hibs go about their transfer business quietly as per usual. Maybe they're still trying to put a deal together so we can get him in the January window.

[priorparkhibby]

My tutor at college plays darts with his dad and he has signed a pre-contract I can 100% confirm you just have to take my word!

Let's test this source, what darts team/pub do they play for?

[heid the baw]

Saints are keen to extend the loan deal for Pawlet from Aberdeen. This is looking likely and that's the reason they don't need Ivan.

[Greendub]

Ivan is off to Ross county

[MB62]

Ivan is off to Ross county

What darts player is your sauce for that info?

[JimBHibees]

Let's test this source, what darts team/pub do they play for?

Chirnside Inn ??? :greengrin

[Col2]

What darts player is your sauce for that info?

In the express. Saying he is very close to termination deal with us.

[Aldo]

Would be a crackin' signing if it's true, he's a player who actually attacks a bit which is more than I can say for Claros, Deegan and TT

.

[silverhibee]

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/3072475/

[DC_Hibs]

.

Edited in the nick of time before I could quote you Aldo.


Those three get nosebleeds in the attacking third hence the reason they are never anywhere near it - their goals for records will show this!!

[Gatecrasher]

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/3072475/

Hope it goes through and gets regular football. Good luck Ivan :aok:

[scoopyboy]

http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Article.aspx/3072475/

Good, that's the first one away.

I wish him well but if he has an 18 month deal fixed up then we should simply agree to cancel his contract, I would hate to think he's getting a pay off.

A wage freed up with immeadiate effect.

Time to get them coming in.

[Mark79]

I can see this one happening right at the end of the window.

Close to the wire one would say.

[MB62]

Good, that's the first one away.

I wish him well but if he has an 18 month deal fixed up then we should simply agree to cancel his contract, I would hate to think he's getting a pay off.

A wage freed up with immeadiate effect.

Time to get them coming in.

:agree:

[Golden Bear]

Good, that's the first one away.

I wish him well but if he has an 18 month deal fixed up then we should simply agree to cancel his contract, I would hate to think he's getting a pay off.

A wage freed up with immeadiate effect.

Time to get them coming in.

He's got 5 months left of his current contract according to a report in today's Daily Express. Negotiations currently underway to terminate the arrangement.

[Mikey]

Good, that's the first one away.

I wish him well but if he has an 18 month deal fixed up then we should simply agree to cancel his contract, I would hate to think he's getting a pay off.

A wage freed up with immeadiate effect.

Time to get them coming in.

Yep. Fringe players out, first team players in!

[Beefster]

Good, that's the first one away.

I wish him well but if he has an 18 month deal fixed up then we should simply agree to cancel his contract, I would hate to think he's getting a pay off.

A wage freed up with immeadiate effect.

Time to get them coming in.

Agreed.

[CB_NO3]

Good, that's the first one away.

I wish him well but if he has an 18 month deal fixed up then we should simply agree to cancel his contract, I would hate to think he's getting a pay off.

A wage freed up with immeadiate effect.

Time to get them coming in.
Hopefully we can offload Scott on a permanent deal. Kuqi, Galbraith and Kujabi should be next. Am guessing Scott, Kujabi, Sproule, Galbraith and Kuqi must be on a combined wage of roughly 6k a week. Give 4 of that to Leigh and bank the rest :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

Derek Adams told us he knew his team would beat us, because his team had the better players. Now he's buying one of our fringe players??????????

[Aldo]

Edited in the nick of time before I could quote you Aldo.

Those three get nosebleeds in the attacking third hence the reason they are never anywhere near it - their goals for records will show this!!

Moral of the story is read before you post. Having a bad day !!

[bigwheel]

Derek Adams told us he knew his team would beat us, because his team had the better players. Now he's buying one of our fringe players??????????

Well he was right unfortunately - twice !

[blackpoolhibs]

Well he was right unfortunately - twice !

Nah, i'd take ours bar a couple players every time, just as Celtic would over ours.

[Speedway]

Derek Adams told us he knew his team would beat us, because his team had the better players. Now he's buying one of our fringe players??????????

He knew we're soft as ***** away from home.

[blackpoolhibs]

He knew we're soft as ***** away from home.

Not always, 2-2 at parkhead, 1-1 at Kilmarnock, 1-0 at St Johnstone, 0-0 at Tynie, 4-0 at Motherwell and a win in paisley tells me that while we have lost away, we also have some decent results on the road too.

[justlikebrazil]

Ivan is off to Ross county
Ross County's Richie Brittain has signed a pre contract with St Johnstone maybe the merry go round is about to start!!

[RyeSloan]

Yep. Fringe players out, first team players in!

Urmm that just creates new fringe players does it not :wink:

[Diclonius]

Ross County's Richie Brittain has signed a pre contract with St Johnstone maybe the merry go round is about to start!!

I would rather we signed Brittain than Craig.

[500miles]

I would rather we signed Brittain than Craig.

I would rather we signed players with their best years ahead of them, like Craig. Brittain is at the back end of a prime which was spent mostly in the SFL.

[superfurryhibby]

Urmm that just creates new fringe players does it not :wink:

Hopefully it creates more depth in a squad which is paper thin and encourages a raising of standards through more competition. Every year we seem to have a wish list that includes getting rid of the deadwood, I suppose every clubs has them.

[Beefster]

Not always, 2-2 at parkhead, 1-1 at Kilmarnock, 1-0 at St Johnstone, 0-0 at Tynie, 4-0 at Motherwell and a win in paisley tells me that while we have lost away, we also have some decent results on the road too.

While those results are fact, only Hearts and Dundee have a worse away record that us in the SPL. It's our great home form that has us in 4th.

[Speedway]

While those results are fact, only Hearts and Dundee have a worse away record that us in the SPL. It's our great home form that has us in 4th.

And how many teams have shipped three goals in defeat in the SPL to the two bottom sides Ross County and Dundee?

Answer: ICT and Us to Ross County, only us to Dundee.

[500miles]

And how many teams have shipped three goals in defeat in the SPL to the two bottom sides Ross County and Dundee?

Answer: ICT and Us to Ross County, only us to Dundee.

So, to summarise; We're soft as ***** when we're away from home, except when we're not. Andy Grey-esq insight there.

[WestEndHibee]

So, to summarise; We're soft as ***** when we're away from home, except when we're not. Andy Grey-esq insight there.

Except sometimes, when we're just in between.

[blackpoolhibs]

So, to summarise; We're soft as ***** when we're away from home, except when we're not. Andy Grey-esq insight there.

Thats correct, and we are also soft as sheite away from home, when someone is trying to make a point, even when its clearly not right. :rolleyes:

[Bay Area Hibees]

that's a brilliant rumour source, by the way.
Ha nice source indeed

[Eyemouth Hibby]

Ha nice source indeed


His old man scored a free kick past me once, belter, he reminded me about it recently so I may boo Craig on his debut :wink:.

Sorry to see Ivan go if the rumours are true - a total hibs legend. Deegan must stay, he's nails

[priorparkhibby]

His old man scored a free kick past me once, belter, he reminded me about it recently so I may boo Craig on his debut :wink:.

Sorry to see Ivan go if the rumours are true - a total hibs legend. Deegan must stay, he's nails

Eyemouth keepers are about as good as some of the efforts we've had at Easter road in the past 6 or 7 years!

[Tricla]

His old man scored a free kick past me once, belter, he reminded me about it recently so I may boo Craig on his debut :wink:.

Sorry to see Ivan go if the rumours are true - a total hibs legend. Deegan must stay, he's nails

I played with his old man for Duns many a year ago.

[PatHead]

I played with his old man for Duns many a year ago.

Whats a dun?

[jamieross]

Eyemouth keepers are about as good as some of the efforts we've had at Easter road in the past 6 or 7 years!

Very true. :agree:

[Golden Bear]

Whats a dun?

A dun is a dinger of course!

[ALF TUPPER]

A dun is a dinger of course!


They ding them a' apparently :greengrin

[hfc rd]

Keep hearing folk saying he has signed a pre-contract with us. But I haven't heard a word from Hibs, St J or Liam Craig himself about this. Really confused.

[lyonhibs]

Keep hearing folk saying he has signed a pre-contract with us. But I haven't heard a word from Hibs, St J or Liam Craig himself about this. Really confused.

Nothing to be confused about. Naff all in terms of black ink on white paper has happened yet. Mates with the fishman/player's old man darts partner etc will be out in force this month.

I shall wait until the "Transfer Deadline Day" thread on .net before proffering my opinion :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Keep hearing folk saying he has signed a pre-contract with us. But I haven't heard a word from Hibs, St J or Liam Craig himself about this. Really confused.

None of the clubs or player are going to announce this probably as Hibs may be trying to get him during this window. May not happen of course but get the impression that this has happened as there has been no denial by Hibs. Will depend on whether St J's get someone else in to replace and Hibs offer a bit of cash or player also.

[hibsbollah]

According to Saints official site Craig has scored 36 goals in 185 games. Not bad for a midfielder. Plays central or left midfield and has also played left back. Six career goals against Hibs.

Good stats. Would seem to be a good signing, if indeed he has.

Just to put that in perspective, Craigs scoring at a rate of 1 goal in 5 from midfield. Pat McGinlay scored 1 in 5, John O'Neil 1 in 8, John Collins
only 1 in 10 for Hibs. Latapy scored a goal every 4 games he played.
(Lewis Stevenson has a scoring rate of 1 in 138 but thats irrelevant to my general point :greengrin)

Its an excellent scoring rate :agree:

[Ell_Chrisso]

Keep hearing folk saying he has signed a pre-contract with us. But I haven't heard a word from Hibs, St J or Liam Craig himself about this. Really confused.

He posted it on his own twitter around christmas time before deleting it.

[Diclonius]

He posted it on his own twitter around christmas time before deleting it.

Any screencaps?

[hibees 7062]

Just to put that in perspective, Craigs scoring at a rate of 1 goal in 5 from midfield. Pat McGinlay scored 1 in 5, John O'Neil 1 in 8, John Collins
only 1 in 10 for Hibs. Latapy scored a goal every 4 games he played.
(Lewis Stevenson has a scoring rate of 1 in 138 but thats irrelevant to my general point :greengrin)

Its an excellent scoring rate :agree:

IICR Im sure Goodwillies 1 in 4

[scoopyboy]

Nothing to be confused about. Naff all in terms of black ink on white paper has happened yet. Mates with the fishman/player's old man darts partner etc will be out in force this month.

I shall wait until the "Transfer Deadline Day" thread on .net before proffering my opinion :greengrin

Transfer deadline day means sfa in terms of pre contract.

We might not hear from Hibs or SJ or the player about a pre contract.

Not duty bound to announce it.

IIRC Ian Murrays's to the Cream Buns was never announced.

[Ell_Chrisso]

Any screencaps?

I don't unfortunatly, but a girl asked him if he was signing with Hibs and he said yes. Definitely in black in white but got deleted. As many Saints fans retweeted.

[puffinandpantin]

:flag::agree::hibees:hibees
According to today's sun.

Very good signing if true. Especially if Claros goes and the Deegan returning down south rumours are true.
great attitude he could do really well for us if he gets the opportunity

[Technofob]

None of the clubs or player are going to announce this probably as Hibs may be trying to get him during this window. May not happen of course but get the impression that this has happened as there has been no denial by Hibs. Will depend on whether St J's get someone else in to replace and Hibs offer a bit of cash or player also.

Ritchie Brittain has signed a PCA with St J - they are trying to get him in this window (source - someone ITK!!) If they come to an arrangement with Ross County I think Craig will come to us in this window.

But as someone said in another thread don't suppose Ross County will let Brittain go to St J until RC have someone to replace him, LC won't be allowed to leave St J until they have someone to replace him etc. Although Ivan going up the road could be the catalyst.

[Russell The Dug]

Surely if we announced this Craig pre contract it would put pressure on Saints to cash in for him now? Maybe we can't afford him until the summer? Still quite weird it's not been announced if he is coming to ER.

Exciting times ahead here's hoping.

[Macaroon]

Just announced on twitter.

Welcome Liam!!!

:flag::pfgwa:flag:

[Albanian Hibs]

More good news!!

[hibee92]

Good signing! Hopefully work out a deal to bring him in sooner :thumbsup::flag::pfgwa

[Rossco1875]

Good signing :hibees

[Pretty Boy]

Good bit of business. As said above hopefully this forces Saints hand and let's us get him this month for a nominal fee.

[Macaroon]

Good bit of business. As said above hopefully this forces Saints hand and let's us get him this month for a nominal fee.

I'd be delighted if this was the case.

Let the YouTube trawl for videos commence.

[Golden Bear]

Nice to see that the official site has now caught up the news on hibs net!

[CallumLaidlaw]

I'd be delighted if this was the case.

Let the YouTube trawl for videos commence.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1d7iRjrk4Gk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1d7iRjrk4Gk&gl=GB

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uvH6MHSFCsk

[Craig_in_Prague]

Very decent signing. Saintees supporting mate said he is quite slow, but I think he will be a really good signing.
Happy Days.

[H18sry]

Inside the SPL ‏@AgentScotland
St Johnstone told Hibs they could have him now for £60k but Hibs refused although they could talk again

[Russell The Dug]

Well done hibees good player good signing.

Positive positive positive.

[RCNG]

Nice one, He's always caused us problems!

[Hainan Hibs]

Great news:thumbsup: At first was a wee bit disappointed we don't have him now but as others mentioned this could help us get a better deal for taking him now.

[LioNeilMessi]

Brilliant signing! :top marks

[I'm_cabbaged]

Inside the SPL ‏@AgentScotland
St Johnstone told Hibs they could have him now for £60k but Hibs refused although they could talk again

Agent Scotland's a weegie prick who picks up tweets from other folk. :greengrin

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1d7iRjrk4Gk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1d7iRjrk4Gk&gl=GB

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uvH6MHSFCsk

Links don't work with me..

[Gatecrasher]

More good news :thumbsup:

[kaimendhibs]

Brilliant news


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[Leithenhibby]

Magic stuff............... :top marks

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20130117/transfer-update_2262950_3044758

[Diclonius]

Who reckons it would be Hearts instead of us making this exact announcement, if the SPL hadn't blocked them from spending money they don't have?

Sucks to be in the real world now eh Yams. :thumbsup:

[ALF TUPPER]

All hail the tache-ster.

;-)

[Seveno]

Confirmed on official site.

[Russell The Dug]

Who reckons it would be Hearts instead of us making this exact announcement, if the SPL hadn't blocked them from spending money they don't have?

Sucks to be in the real world now eh Yams. :thumbsup:

Of course now he will be never good enough for them etc etc.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

yeh good news. what position does he play? LM?

[Jones28]

Yes! Good signing!

[trev the hat]

Good decent signing, happy with this.
Welcome Liam, be good to get him in before May tho.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Great news :thumbsup:, how long is the contract ?

[Macaroon]

Where do we think he will slot in then? I'm led to believe that Pat will move Cairney into the middle and play Craig on the left. From what I can remember he is quite pacy despite his height and having Cairneys creativity and passing through the middle will make a big difference IMO.

[Saorsa]

Links don't work with me..




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvH6MHSFCsk

[Saorsa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d7iRjrk4Gk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1d7iRjrk4Gk&gl=GB

[hfc rd]

What a great two days this has been. What's tomorrow going to be? Claros loan extended and a playmaker and winger brought in, I hope.

[Spike Mandela]

28 goals in 157 games for St Johnstone. Something that will very much add to our current midfield.

[SaulGoodman]

Good signing! Wish he could play now but maybe I'm being a bit greedy..

[Sir David Gray]

Really pleased with this news, I think he'll be a good signing for us!

Hopefully we can do a deal to get him in before the end of the month.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Where do we think he will slot in then? I'm led to believe that Pat will move Cairney into the middle and play Craig on the left. From what I can remember he is quite pacy despite his height and having Cairneys creativity and passing through the middle will make a big difference IMO.

He will play central left. He aint quick.

All about a good quality squad and Claros will be gone.. So only Taiwo and Deegan really in the middle..

[Stevie Reid]

Really pleased with this, always impressed with him every time I've seen him - a good footballer, capable of moments of magic, with a good scoring record.

Did he not manage to get sent off when he was a substitute (who hadn't been used yet) for Falkirk when they beat us 1-0 when that radge Freeland was referee (circa 2006)?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvH6MHSFCsk

:thumbsup:

[leither17]

Really pleased with this, always impressed with him every time I've seen him - a good footballer, capable of moments of magic, with a good scoring record.

Did he not manage to get sent off when he was a substitute (who hadn't been used yet) for Falkirk when they beat us 1-0 when that radge Freeland was referee (circa 2006)?

Aye that's right that game was mental will never forget how bad Freeland was that day

[lord bunberry]

Can I be the first to say not hibs class

[hibby rae]

Agent Scotland's a weegie prick who picks up tweets from other folk. :greengrin


Has Agent Scotland got any inside knowledge of the game? Is he meant to be a journalist, agent, player or as my honourable netter says a weegie pr!ck?

[H18sry]

I think if Claros leaves in January, we will stump up the asking price for him.

[Broken Gnome]

Finally getting back to mid-90s levels of red-headedness in the side. Been far too long.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Has Agent Scotland got any inside knowledge of the game? Is he meant to be a journalist, agent, player or as my honourable netter says a weegie pr!ck?

Not got a clue but he tweeted about someone signing for somebody saying "agent scotland understands" 5 minutes after it had been retweeted by a number of people from a different source.

[hibees 7062]

Really pleased with this, always impressed with him every time I've seen him - a good footballer, capable of moments of magic, with a good scoring record.

Did he not manage to get sent off when he was a substitute (who hadn't been used yet) for Falkirk when they beat us 1-0 when that radge Freeland was referee (circa 2006)?

Aye against us Stevie :agree:

[hibby rae]

Not got a clue but he tweeted about someone signing for somebody saying "agent scotland understands" 5 minutes after it had been retweeted by a number of people from a different source.

Let's play it safe then at just say he's a weegie pr!ck.:greengrin

[brydekirk]

Does'ny mention how long he signed for ?

[SaulGoodman]

Aye against us Stevie :agree:

Well now he can't do that.. Weegie signing tactics :agree:

[Stevie Reid]

Aye against us Stevie :agree:
Very true! Scored a peach against us in the 3-2 win for us at ER last season IIRC

[SteveHFC]

Great signing

[Diclonius]

Falkirk 2-1 Hibernian
Liam Craig (21)

St Johnstone 5-1 Hibernian
Liam Craig (5, pen 79)

Hibernian 1-1 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (pen 85)

St Johnstone 2-0 Hibernian
Liam Craig (76)

Hibernian 1-2 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (74)

Hibernian 3-2 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (19)

Hibernian 2-3 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (71)

This is the main reason I'm happy we've signed him. :wink:

[Saorsa]

Falkirk 2-1 Hibernian
Liam Craig (21)

St Johnstone 5-1 Hibernian
Liam Craig (5, pen 79)

Hibernian 1-1 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (pen 85)

St Johnstone 2-0 Hibernian
Liam Craig (76)

Hibernian 1-2 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (74)

Hibernian 3-2 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (19)

Hibernian 2-3 St Johnstone
Liam Craig (71)

This is the main reason I'm happy we've signed him. :wink:Better hope he disnae start scoring og's :greengrin

[down-the-slope]

If there not Irish......there Ginger....:rolleyes:
























































:greengrin

[I'm_cabbaged]

If there not Irish......there Ginger....:rolleyes:




































:greengrin

With an Irish name........

BLACKPOOL!!!!!!!!

[renato]

I'm a bit surprised we've announced this now as, going by the club statement (and last sentence in particular), it looks like St J were not aware we were going public at this early stage.

Obviously we'll be starting negotiations with this for Jan release as LC's position with the St J fans will be similar to taxi hailer Caldwell's when he buggered off to Celtc but I just feel it's a bit unprofessional conducting business this way - it's very unlike us.

Anyway, probably looking into this too much and tin hat on :-) !

Great signing BTW

[HibeeN]

I'm a bit surprised we've announced this now as, going by the club statement (and last sentence in particular), it looks like St J were not aware we were going public at this early stage.

Obviously we'll be starting negotiations with this for Jan release as LC's position with the St J fans will be similar to taxi hailer Caldwell's when he buggered off to Celtc but I just feel it's a bit unprofessional conducting business this way - it's very unlike us.

Anyway, probably looking into this too much and tin hat on :-) !

Great signing BTW

St Johnstone posted this (http://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/newsitemsdetail.php?param=2366) on twitter just three minutes after Hibs announced it on their twitter...I'd say there's a pretty good chance that the clubs had agreed to make it public?

And again, looking on twitter, Craig has been getting a load of nice messages from St Johnstone fans who say they are gutted to see him go but hope he does well. So seems a lot more amicable than the Hibs/Caldwell situation :greengrin

[Capt Mainwaring]

I'm a bit surprised we've announced this now as, going by the club statement (and last sentence in particular), it looks like St J were not aware we were going public at this early stage.

Obviously we'll be starting negotiations with this for Jan release as LC's position with the St J fans will be similar to taxi hailer Caldwell's when he buggered off to Celtc but I just feel it's a bit unprofessional conducting business this way - it's very unlike us.

Anyway, probably looking into this too much and tin hat on :-) !

Great signing BTW

Id say its actually very professional and hard nosed. Going public has the effect of upsetting the SJ fans, and puts a bit of pressure on player and SJ Board to consider an early release sum.

It's happened to us a few times and about time we "played the system"

I do think that it is unfair however. Don't think pre contracts should be allowed when two teams in the same league are involved. However thems the rules and I think Craig will be a very good signing for us.

[renato]

St Johnstone posted this (http://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/newsitemsdetail.php?param=2366) on twitter just three minutes after Hibs announced it on their twitter...I'd say there's a pretty good chance that the clubs had agreed to make it public?

And again, looking on twitter, Craig has been getting a load of nice messages from St Johnstone fans who say they are gutted to see him go but hope he does well. So seems a lot more amicable than the Hibs/Caldwell situation :greengrin

Don't do social media, hence my ignorance ;-)

In which case, fair play to both clubs and also the St J fans. Not sure we'll be any further forward re a Jan release though but we can but hope..

[Gerard]

Things are looking good for Hibs. 2 players on extended contracts ( loan) and a pre contract. Well done management at Hibs:wink:

[priorparkhibby]

Great news :thumbsup:, how long is the contract ?

2 year contract

[hungryhibs]

Good bit of business. As said above hopefully this forces Saints hand and let's us get him this month for a nominal fee.


Great signing but as tonz said weeks ago it was a done deal but hibs are still trying get him as we speak so hope we can get him before the window shuts

[Jim44]

Despite concluding (on KB) that Liam Craig is garbage, their envy is almost palpable. Their propensity for reminding themselves that they cuffed us 1-5 is bordering on the pathetic and is fast becoming a tiny life-belt in an ocean of despair and looming mediocrity. They are even 'cooling' to the return of their beloved lost son, Scatchel, saying the signing restrictions are 'a blessing in disguise'.

[neilmartinrocks]

Posted on We Are Perth


"Sorry to see him go to a club who are not really any bigger than us"
reply.....



"St Johnstone Football Club
Hibernian Football Club

We are a bigger name."


:faf:

[RCNG]

http://www.weareperth.co.uk/wapforum/index.php?/topic/18299-liam-craig-rumour/page__st__180#entry543340

On my phone so this link might not work on pc

Regarding Liam Craig some bam pot says "Sorry to see him go to a club who are not really any bigger than us"

Love a good laugh in the morning.

[marinello59]

http://www.weareperth.co.uk/wapforum/index.php?/topic/18299-liam-craig-rumour/page__st__180#entry543340

On my phone so this link might not work on pc

Regarding Liam Craig some bam pot says "Sorry to see him go to a club who are not really any bigger than us"

Love a good laugh in the morning.

Maybe we should retaliate by telling them we are a massive club with hundreds of thousands of supporters. And we can refer to St Johnstone as The Wee Team for all eternity. Or maybe not, it's far too Jamboesque. :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

The important thing to take from that is that they are sorry to see him go.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Leave this big club patter to the ****s.

[#FromTheCapital]

Leave this big club patter to the ****s.

Precisely

[.Sean.]

Ross, Hibs have always been a bigger club than St Johnstone and always will be mate. It's not 'big team' patter at all, it's a fact.

[DarrenSQH]

St johnstone are talking about knocking down a stand behind the far goals to make way for a road as this would make them more money. Now thats ambition.

[Golden Bear]

We are by far and away a bigger club but right now we're no better than them where it really counts and that's on the football park. In my humble opinion of course.

[neilmartinrocks]

http://www.weareperth.co.uk/wapforum/index.php?/topic/18299-liam-craig-rumour/page__st__180#entry543340

On my phone so this link might not work on pc

Regarding Liam Craig some bam pot says "Sorry to see him go to a club who are not really any bigger than us"

Love a good laugh in the morning.

Already posted last night on liam craig thread.

[scoopyboy]

Ross, Hibs have always been a bigger club than St Johnstone and always will be mate. It's not 'big team' patter at all, it's a fact.

We are Sean, however the point here is we shouldn't run around telling other clubs we are bigger than them.

It's just not cricket mate.

[JimBHibees]

He will play central left. He aint quick.

All about a good quality squad and Claros will be gone.. So only Taiwo and Deegan really in the middle..

Pretty sure he is a left midfield player normally but can also play centre.

I notice someone mentioning the possibility of a swap with Lewis this month which might make some sense given he may get more games there.

[Wilson]

We are Sean, however the point here is we shouldn't run around telling other clubs we are bigger than them.

It's just not cricket mate.

Correct. No sense in bleating about how big a club we are and then getting pumped next time we play them. The talking should be done on the pitch - always. Statistics are cold comfort if your team doesn't perform.

[Jones28]

Not needing to brag about being a bigger team, Hibs class :agree:

[Chuck Rhoades]

Your fact is correct Sean, but as Scoopy said, lets leave this sort of chat to those across the road who are obsessed with this sort of thing.

I couldn't care how 'big' Hibs are compared to others. I care about our performances, league/cup results and financial health.

[Moulin Yarns]

St johnstone are talking about knocking down a stand behind the far goals to make way for a road as this would make them more money. Now thats ambition.

Not any more. The new link road will somehow be squeezed between the stand and the Crematorium. I somehow suspect away fans might have to access the stand through tunnels below the road in future. Source? Planning Department at Perth and Kinross Council

http://planningapps.pkc.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=LRK1TEMK00I00

[--------]

We are Sean, however the point here is we shouldn't run around telling other clubs we are bigger than them.

It's just not cricket mate.


Correct. No sense in bleating about how big a club we are and then getting pumped next time we play them. The talking should be done on the pitch - always. Statistics are cold comfort if your team doesn't perform.


Exactly. :agree:

[NOLA]

St johnstone are talking about knocking down a stand behind the far goals to make way for a road as this would make them more money. Now thats ambition.

if it makes them more money which in turn strengthens the club and team then id say it was ambitious no? they certainly dont need 4 stands.

[--------]

For the past few years and more, St Johnstone have been a well-run club playing in a good modern stadium of a size suited to their needs.

They've punched their weight on the pitch, too, which is more than Hibs have done recently.

And if Pitlochry Hibee's right, they aren't demolishing a stand at all.

It's neither courteous nor becoming to make like a Jambo by denigrating an SPL team that's actually been doing better than us given the resources at their disposal.

[DaveF]

For the past few years and more, St Johnstone have been a well-run club playing in a good modern stadium of a size suited to their needs.

They've punched their weight on the pitch, too, which is more than Hibs have done recently.

And if Pitlochry Hibee's right, they aren't demolishing a stand at all.

It's neither courteous nor becoming to make like a Jambo by denigrating an SPL team that's actually been doing better than us given the resources at their disposal.

True enough.

Not sure how accurate it is, but PTS posted on here a while back that St J direct most of their income on cobbling together a 1st team squad and as such have no real youth setup or training facilities of their own. Overheads, which will be, fairly substantial for us.

[JimBHibees]

True enough.

Not sure how accurate it is, but PTS posted on here a while back that St J direct most of their income on cobbling together a 1st team squad and as such have no real youth setup or training facilities of their own. Overheads, which will be, fairly substantial for us.

They now have ex-Hibs youth coach Alastair Stevenson back there so would be surprised if that was the case.

[DaveF]

They now have ex-Hibs youth coach Alastair Stevenson back there so would be surprised if that was the case.

Maybe it's changed. I just recall PTS posting something along those lines but it may have been a while back.

[Sir David Gray]

We are by far and away a bigger club but right now we're no better than them where it really counts and that's on the football park. In my humble opinion of course.

Correct.

It sounds like they're just struggling to understand the difference between the words "bigger" and "better".

We are undoubtedly a far BIGGER club than St Johnstone, I don't think anyone could seriously argue that this is not the case. However unfortunately in recent years, we have been no BETTER than them. In fact they've been far better than us over the past couple of years.

[--------]

True enough.

Not sure how accurate it is, but PTS posted on here a while back that St J direct most of their income on cobbling together a 1st team squad and as such have no real youth setup or training facilities of their own. Overheads, which will be, fairly substantial for us.


I suppose that's the decision they've made, and it's been working reasonably well for them.

I think I'd rather have Hibs going the way they are, though.

I'm not quibbling about the respective size of the two clubs - stadium capacity, number of signed players, youth set-up, finance all make Hibs the bigger club. But the Hibs team hasn't been performing better than the Saints for quite a while now.

[Moulin Yarns]

True enough.

Not sure how accurate it is, but PTS posted on here a while back that St J direct most of their income on cobbling together a 1st team squad and as such have no real youth setup or training facilities of their own. Overheads, which will be, fairly substantial for us.

No training facilities?? What is that all weather pitch doing behind the main stand then, other than being a very good income stream for the Saintees?

[DaveF]

No training facilities?? What is that all weather pitch doing behind the main stand then, other than being a very good income stream for the Saintees?

I've already said I was posting on the back of something PTS posted a while back so you can backtrack on your exclamations a bit :greengrin

And by training facilities, I meant something like EM, not a meadowbank astro type park.

[neilmartinrocks]

I've already said I was posting on the back of something PTS posted a while back so you can backtrack on your exclamations a bit :greengrin

And by training facilities, I meant something like EM, not a meadowbank astro type park.

Saints have always tended to do a lot of their training within the community. Stanley Bankfoot etc you can still see them doing their stamina runs in and around Perth. Something we lost as a result of EM. imo.

[YehButNoBut]

Just scored for Saints, have we any chance in getting him this month as we could certainly use him. :agree:

[Mikey]

Just scored for Saints, have we any chance in getting him this month as we could certainly use him. :agree:

Yes, but it'll cost.

[Iggy Pope]

Saints have always tended to do a lot of their training within the community. Stanley Bankfoot etc you can still see them doing their stamina runs in and around Perth. Something we lost as a result of EM. imo.

Right enough. Jumping about in cars and buses from the JKC to the World of Football and back or running around Queens Park and Arthur's Seat is a right loss.
The staff at ER must still be grieving.

[YehButNoBut]

Yes, but it'll cost.

So probably not then. :greengrin

[LeighLoyal]

Quite impressed with Craig from what I saw on ESPN, plenty shots on goal and scored with one. Not sure he's the box to box McGinlay type but will be a good add.

[Fife-Hibee]

So probably not then. :greengrin

We could always have a bake sale :-)

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

No training facilities?? What is that all weather pitch doing behind the main stand then, other than being a very good income stream for the Saintees?

Saints don't train on that pitch, but it does make a fair bit of cash for them.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Notice he's quit twitter today. Anyone any idea what happened there?

[Diclonius]

Notice he's quit twitter today. Anyone any idea what happened there?

Abuse from Saints fans according to their forum.

[#FromTheCapital]

Notice he's quit twitter today. Anyone any idea what happened there?

I'd imagine he's getting abuse from st Johnstone fans or hearts fans have started abusing him already. Either that or it's in preparation for the abuse he will be getting. Wise move imo

[SMAXXA]

I'd imagine he's getting abuse from st Johnstone fans or hearts fans have started abusing him already. Either that or it's in preparation for the abuse he will be getting. Wise move imo

Or maybe part of his terms and conditions signing for Hibs lol, the new Hibs, Fenlons Hibs :-)

[CallumLaidlaw]

Abuse from Saints fans according to their forum.

Strange. They were sending him good luck messages during the week, and he seemed to play well and scored today.

[JimBHibees]

http://www.weareperth.co.uk/wapforum/index.php?/topic/18446-michael-doughty/

I notice some talk on a Saints site of them trying to bring in a young QPR player on loan who plays wide left which may suggest they are willing to let Craig go this window. Certainly hope so.

[Alfred E Newman]

Head and shoulders above anything we had in the midfield last night which begs the question, why on earth did we not get him here in january? It was reported that St Johnstone were asking £60000 for him but I would have thought a decent offer of 45-50k would have been enough to tempt Saints. There was reportedly a last minute offer which was obviously way under their asking price and once again the failure to loosen the purse strings looks costing us dearly. With every league place worth around £80k ,an investment now could have been earned a lot more than 60k by securing a high league placing not to mention a possible run to the the cup final and maybe a European place. Instead Fenlon has brought in another couple of light weight midfield players, and not addressed the glaring deficiences that were so evident last night. I am not suggesting the club spend money recklessly just show a bit of ambition .

[Mikey]

I think I'm right in saying that the club offered £20k at the death but it was turned down. There just wasn't any more money there to offer more.

[jacomo]

I think I'm right in saying that the club offered £20k at the death but it was turned down. There just wasn't any more money there to offer more.

Yikes. If that's true we are truly skint and illustrates the restrictions under which PF is operating.

[SteveHFC]

I think I'm right in saying that the club offered £20k at the death but it was turned down. There just wasn't any more money there to offer more.

If that is true then that is pathetic! £20K :faf:

[Baldy Foghorn]

It also ties in with a story I was told of trying to bring somebody else in after the Craig offer was rejected, which was also declined

[Mikey]

If that is true then that is pathetic! £20K :faf:

Well if.......

Och no, I'd better not :greengrin

[Tricla]

Well if.......

Och no, I'd better not :greengrin

You're right though.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Well if.......

Och no, I'd better not :greengrin

I concur:agree:

[Alfred E Newman]

If it was 20k then that underlines my point. We have reportedly got no money yet funds have been allowed to be squandered on a string of very ordinary defensive midfield players not to mention that striking sensation Kuji.

[Zazu62]

It also ties in with a story I was told of trying to bring somebody else in after the Craig offer was rejected, which was also declined

Wylde?

[Brightside]

It'll cost £20k to get Robertson up to fighting weight.

[Andy74]

If that is true then that is pathetic! £20K :faf:

That's over 100 season tickets. Maybe if we got a bit more support when we were on the up ?

[Mikey]

That's over 100 season tickets. Maybe if we got a bit more support when we were on the up ?

Careful. You're a braver man than me.

Or dafter :greengrin

[California-Hibs]

Wylde SHOULD be a Hibs player right now. Pathetic how that one never materialized. The board seriously need to question themselfs.

[Last Minute]

Aye and we have a millionaire owner who doesn't give a **** about us fans, as long as his books balance. Getting sick of this. If he has no interest in Hibs, get rid

[Mikey]

Wylde SHOULD be a Hibs player right now. Pathetic how that one never materialized. The board seriously need to question themselfs.

What happened with that deal?

[marinello59]

Wylde SHOULD be a Hibs player right now. Pathetic how that one never materialized. The board seriously need to question themselfs.

How many times have you seen him play recently. I'll be honest, I can't recall ever having noticed him.

[blackpoolhibs]

We have fans saying they won't be back, and all it needed was 60k and the money for Wylde and the full house signs would be out and everyone would be happy. I'm surprised at us for missing this opportunity?

[Jonnyboy]

Wylde?

More annoyed really :greengrin

[glenn6270]

What happened with that deal?
did not offer enough wages
hearts offered more i am told and were close to signing him well before us

[marinello59]

We have fans saying they won't be back, and all it needed was 60k and the money for Wylde and the full house signs would be out and everyone would be happy. I'm surprised at us for missing this opportunity?

They couldn't buy tickets as we had already sold out after getting McPake on a permanent deal.