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Wellbankhibby
27-12-2012, 10:45 AM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

Chuck Rhoades
27-12-2012, 10:51 AM
A few points:

-What 'dead wood' would you get rid of? IMO, we got rid of nearly all of it last season.
-We cannot afford another £1m+ loss this year. We need to average 11,000 supporters at home just to break even. The more who turn up, the more money PF will receive. We cannot sign players without money. The club are trying other initiatives to obtain funds, such as the East Terrace scheme and introducing a Ladies Day.

Regarding your point about Youth, I fully agree and if I have one criticism to PF I believe he has not given enough time to the likes of Caldwell, Handling, and Stanton amongst others.

blackpoolhibs
27-12-2012, 10:52 AM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

Another who is living in the past, i was there all through the 70s, do you remember being relegated? Football today is a completely different game to the time when the tornadoes were in their pomp.

We were in decline, steady decline. 3rd bottom then 2nd bottom, but seemed to have addressed that this one but this threadbare squad have hit a slump.

We now have everyone back, not fit but back nonetheless and they will get fitter. There's no reason why the same players cant turn it round, and there will be additions too.

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 10:58 AM
Another who is living in the past, i was there all through the 70s, do you remember being relegated? Football today is a completely different game to the time when the tornadoes were in their pomp.

We were in decline, steady decline. 3rd bottom then 2nd bottom, but seemed to have addressed that this one but this threadbare squad have hit a slump.

We now have everyone back, not fit but back nonetheless and they will get fitter. There's no reason why the same players cant turn it round, and there will be additions too.

I really hope you are right ----------------- and hopefully PF will be a bit more adventurous in the way he sets the team out to play.

green&left
27-12-2012, 11:05 AM
A few points:

-What 'dead wood' would you get rid of? IMO, we got rid of nearly all of it last season.
-We cannot afford another £1m+ loss this year. We need to average 11,000 supporters at home just to break even. The more who turn up, the more money PF will receive. We cannot sign players without money. The club are trying other initiatives to obtain funds, such as the East Terrace scheme and introducing a Ladies Day.

Regarding your point about Youth, I fully agree and if I have one criticism to PF I believe he has not given enough time to the likes of Caldwell, Handling, and Stanton amongst others.

Sproule, Kuqi, Galbraith and Kujabi for starters.

Havn't missed a game this season and we have been on decline for ages now. Managers have quickly sussed our "gameplan".

Top 6 will do me this season, however at this rate we'll be doing very well to achieve that.

Chuck Rhoades
27-12-2012, 11:07 AM
Sproule, Kuqi, Galbraith and Kujabi for starters.

I am confident all the above will be moved on in January.

Sproule heading to Ross County from what I am hearing.

heid the baw
27-12-2012, 11:07 AM
I travel a lot further from Dundee to attend games.
The way I see it is that my £22 is my way of putting into the club. If we all just waited for things to improve without supporting the club, then who is going to pick upthe tab.

We have had years of changing managers, high player turnover and struggling with debt. If we can get a few 1000 more through the gates and stick with Fenlon and the board's program, I am convinced it will turn round. The last few games have been poor, but it is still better than lasy year where we never got above 11th place all season.

Chuck Rhoades
27-12-2012, 11:13 AM
Sproule, Kuqi, Galbraith and Kujabi for starters.

Havn't missed a game this season and we have been on decline for ages now. Managers have quickly sussed our "gameplan".

Top 6 will do me this season, however at this rate we'll be doing very well to achieve that.

Knowing you attend all the matches, surely you must see an improvement from the previous two seasons? After nearly hitting rock bottom, a top six finish this season would be an achievement in its own. We need to be realistic and this has to be a long-term project. We have gone through a period where the turnover in players/managers has resulted in us being left with a bare squad whilst incurring two heavy losses financially.

A productive January shipping out the likes of Kujabi, Scott, Sproule, Kuqi and Galbraith and signing Claros/Sparky/McGivern will do me. 2/3 new faces would also be excellent.

Johnny Clash
27-12-2012, 11:19 AM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:


When I saw the title of this thread I thought it would be a rallying call to get behind the team and help to rebuild with more support from the stands.

I don't understand how to 'stand up and be counted' means that you actually stay away from ER !

Yesterday was an awful game to watch - and we have been under performing for many years but I don't understand how boycotting Hibs games will get us anywhere. It's not that 'the powers that be' are sitting on a mountain of cash and just need a bit of 'fan pressure' from us in order to spend it on quality players.

The only way we can afford better quality on the field is to generate more money to spend on keeping our best players and buying more quality. Plus more supporters makes for a better atmosphere that normally helps the team. Hampden in May proved that's not always the case but that's coz the attitude of most of our players sucked - the Hibs support/display was magnificent and was the only enjoyable thing that day)

If we don't get money through the turnstiles and increase our support at games then how else are we gonna rebuild our team ?

Famous5forever
27-12-2012, 11:21 AM
Knowing you attend all the matches, surely you must see an improvement from the previous two seasons? After nearly hitting rock bottom, a top six finish this season would be an achievement in its own. We need to be realistic and this has to be a long-term project. We have gone through a period where the turnover in players/managers has resulted in us being left with a bare squad whilst incurring two heavy losses financially.

A productive January shipping out the likes of Kujabi, Scott, Sproule, Kuqi and Galbraith and signing Claros/Sparky/McGivern will do me. 2/3 new faces would also be excellent.


When do their contracts finish ? no one in their right mind would pay money for any of these players they will be happy to sit around taking wages for doing he haw till they run down their contracts more money wasted on dross.

down-the-slope
27-12-2012, 11:24 AM
Knowing you attend all the matches, surely you must see an improvement from the previous two seasons? After nearly hitting rock bottom, a top six finish this season would be an achievement in its own. We need to be realistic and this has to be a long-term project. We have gone through a period where the turnover in players/managers has resulted in us being left with a bare squad whilst incurring two heavy losses financially.

A productive January shipping out the likes of Kujabi, Scott, Sproule, Kuqi and Galbraith and signing Claros/Sparky/McGivern will do me. 2/3 new faces would also be excellent.

Ross - i'm with you regarding realism of where we are, but how far we have come (and how far there is to go) Currently when 11 on pitch are not clicking there is zero impact from the bench...thats got to be next target.

Only issue the players you correctly mentioning as prime candidates for the exit are all on contracts till seasons end..unless another club bids / offers to take contract etc we are stuck - its often missed we are still paying O'Hanlon to 'stay away' from club -we need to hope these players want to play and are prepared to go else where to try and make that happen

cabbageandribs1875
27-12-2012, 11:26 AM
who is this danny galbraith guy that some people mention


is he groundstaff






:(

Ray_
27-12-2012, 11:33 AM
Another who is living in the past, i was there all through the 70s, do you remember being relegated? Football today is a completely different game to the time when the tornadoes were in their pomp.

We were in decline, steady decline. 3rd bottom then 2nd bottom, but seemed to have addressed that this one but this threadbare squad have hit a slump.

We now have everyone back, not fit but back nonetheless and they will get fitter. There's no reason why the same players cant turn it round, and there will be additions too.

I actually thought the decline was pretty rapid over the last five years. What isn't different from the 70's is that people want entertainment, that's why many fans who were going to games in recent years are no longer going now.

Russ
27-12-2012, 11:33 AM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:
I smell yams

Famous5forever
27-12-2012, 11:59 AM
I actually thought the decline was pretty rapid over the last five years. What isn't different from the 70's is that people want entertainment, that's why many fans who were going to games in recent years are no longer going now.

The decline has been steady and started when JC Left we have had a bounce in our early season form this year but sadly that appears to have been a dead cat bounce the decline has resumed from the Dundee away game and is speeding up now.
Since Leigh stopped scoring it has been dire it makes you wonder if he is keeping himself for a move in January avoiding injury, If finances permit we could do with a couple of fresh faces to come in January Window, try to sort things out in the winter break the rest could work wonders.
Replacing the manager at this time would be madness.

Mikey
27-12-2012, 12:07 PM
The way I see it is that my £22 is my way of putting into the club. If we all just waited for things to improve without supporting the club, then who is going to pick upthe tab.



:agree:

Green Fish
27-12-2012, 12:49 PM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

So you won't be back meantime - sums it up really. Lots of people can't make it every week, like myself due to shift work but come on ffs. If you can make it get yourself through and support your 'beloved hibees'. Theres not much between all the sides bar celtic and theres no reason why we can't get back to winning ways. Give yourself a shake and come back!!!!

Ray_
27-12-2012, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by heid the baw
The way I see it is that my £22 is my way of putting into the club. If we all just waited for things to improve without supporting the club, then who is going to pick upthe tab.



:agree:

But the secret to any successful business is to give the punter/customer/client something they want.

The cart before the horse has never worked at this club and/or any other club I can think of & its clearly not working here and now, so why the same old pointless message. The fans did SUABC, but that was at a time when the entertainment was superb and they were rewarded with a great stadium and training facilities to match, but the most important thing declined alarmingly & as such, do you really believe the same old mantra will succeed?

Where will we go from here you might ask? until things change, to a stage where people will find alternatives to the fare on offer at ER, well many have already made that step and others will follow.

Somebody keeps crowing on about absent fans "living in the past" and the "70's" in particular, as contributing factor towards today's problem, but what he conveniently ignores is that the self same people that he alludes to, still went to Hibs games despite some dark periods in the sixties, late 70's, throughout the eighties & nineties and during the 00's and have only, in very recent season's, given up the ghost. Among the missing support, it includes one regular poster who, until this season, had been going to matches over the last seventy years, therefore the "living in the past" and the "70's" viewpoint totally lacks credibility.

.Sean.
27-12-2012, 01:32 PM
A few points:

-What 'dead wood' would you get rid of? IMO, we got rid of nearly all of it last season.
-We cannot afford another £1m+ loss this year. We need to average 11,000 supporters at home just to break even. The more who turn up, the more money PF will receive. We cannot sign players without money. The club are trying other initiatives to obtain funds, such as the East Terrace scheme and introducing a Ladies Day.

Regarding your point about Youth, I fully agree and if I have one criticism to PF I believe he has not given enough time to the likes of Caldwell, Handling, and Stanton amongst others.

Ross, can I ask who you think you are coming on here and acting all reasonable and sensible the day after a defeat to Ross County?


























:wink:

blackpoolhibs
27-12-2012, 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by heid the baw
The way I see it is that my £22 is my way of putting into the club. If we all just waited for things to improve without supporting the club, then who is going to pick upthe tab.




But the secret to any successful business is to give the punter/customer/client something they want.

The cart before the horse has never worked at this club and/or any other club I can think of & its clearly not working here and now, so why the same old pointless message. The fans did SUABC, but that was at a time when the entertainment was superb and they were rewarded with a great stadium and training facilities to match, but the most important thing declined alarmingly & as such, do you really believe the same old mantra will succeed?

Where will we go from here you might ask? until things change, to a stage where people will find alternatives to the fare on offer at ER, well many have already made that step and others will follow.

Somebody keeps crowing on about absent fans "living in the past" and the "70's" in particular, as contributing factor towards today's problem, but what he conveniently ignores is that the self same people that he alludes to, still went to Hibs games despite some dark periods in the sixties, late 70's, throughout the eighties & nineties and during the 00's and have only, in very recent season's, given up the ghost. Among the missing support, it includes one regular poster who, until this season, had been going to matches over the last seventy years, therefore the "living in the past" and the "70's" viewpoint totally lacks credibility.

Does he keep moaning about the 70's on here? What i find funny, really funny is blokes like you who dont even go to the games, getting all uppity because the football is not up to your standards. :faf:

Which teams are packing the crowds in these days Ray, and you can count in the EPL too? Football clubs are a business these days, they need to make money and stay self sufficient. We as much as you may not accept it are competing with the EPL, BUT COMPETING WITH DIVISION 3 MONEY.

The standard is not what we'd all like, but as i have pointed out before, and you completely ignore as usual, we are on a par with div 3 in England, and these are the clubs these days we fight it out with for players.

If there are so many teams much better than Hibs, why are they not packing their grounds out? FWIW i dont think you harking back to the 70s is a contributing factor in todays problems, i just feel its a daft thing to keep going on about, as times are VERY different now, something you will not accept.

Wellbankhibby
27-12-2012, 02:22 PM
I smell yams

I have been waiting on some smart A*** to come out with a wise crack. In life you don't get anything for being a Dickhead. Because someone states they are unhappy the way the team is playing a clot like you comes along and thinks I am a Yam. YOU COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Its a pity you cant see the problems with the team. I have watched them for 56 Years and Im not prepaired to return until I see them putting in the effort.

NOLA
27-12-2012, 02:25 PM
who is this danny galbraith guy that some people mention


is he groundstaff






:(

i think he's related to tam McCourt? :dunno:

Mikey
27-12-2012, 02:32 PM
Im not prepaired to return until I see them putting in the effort.

I really don't see how you can level that at the current team. Last season aye, but not now.

Baldy Foghorn
27-12-2012, 02:35 PM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

So you are not Standing Up and being counted then.....You can't see us signing Sparky or McGivern, but you are not willing to dig deep for the cause.....Therefore if you are not backing the Club, then you really can't complain about the signing policies can you?:rolleyes:

RIP
27-12-2012, 02:50 PM
Defeats don't make loyal Hibees turn away from supporting Hibs. How could they - we could hardly buy a win under previous managers. The main issue seems to be 'underachievement'. The Board always say 'top six' so the last 2 seasons we definitely underachieved

There's been various 'solutions' proposed by disenchanted supporters in recent years


Famer oot - Brian Kennedy In! The idea that somebody would buy the club and 'splash the cash' doesn't appear as attractive given the Craig Whyte and Mad Vlad situations
Sack Petrie! As Farmer's right hand man he looks after the non-playing side and some would say he provides us with the financial prudence much needed in the current climate
Sack the Board! There have been big changes with Lindsay and Hyland away and Langham and Houston fulfilling part-time executive roles
Sack a new coach every season! Most SPL critics state that's been the main contributing factor in our failure to build a settled team
New players! New Players! They were always meant to be better than who we have now. Aye right! That's why none of them last more than a season. We seemed to have learned that it's not so much the players - more how you develop them and set them up to play that makes the difference


So that leaves us with:-

Pressing the board to back the coach for a further year at least
Being realistic about who we can afford to keep or acquire in our financial situation
Backing the team for 90 minutes - win lose or draw and supporting the Sect43 guys with their efforts
Helping the club in promoting new supporter/club initiatives - East Terrace, Hibernians/Erin Trust, Player Sponsorship and more
Using 'fan pressure' to make sure we never settle for second best on the park in terms of fitness, workrate, discipline and fighting spirit


That's what I call 'Stand Up and Be Counted activity!
:hibees

SouthamptonHibs
27-12-2012, 02:55 PM
our best team was on the park yesterday at home and we were brutal. no idea why Fenlon didn't start with the team from Sunday at killie, we played decent and should have won. Fenlon`s tactics r brutal, our players are to far apart from each other, I walked out on 82mins yesterday, festival off football haha no wonder over half my mates that used to go to ER don`t go. We should be embarrassed getting beat twice in two games to RC, a diddy wee team. we should be beating teams like them. Roll on Sat Celtic will thump us by 5 if we play like we did yesterday

marinello59
27-12-2012, 03:22 PM
our best team was on the park yesterday at home and we were brutal. no idea why Fenlon didn't start with the team from Sunday at killie, we played decent and should have won. Fenlon`s tactics r brutal, our players are to far apart from each other, I walked out on 82mins yesterday, festival off football haha no wonder over half my mates that used to go to ER don`t go. We should be embarrassed getting beat twice in two games to RC, a diddy wee team. we should be beating teams like them. Roll on Sat Celtic will thump us by 5 if we play like we did yesterday

I would argue that Ross County are far from a diddly team. Their refusal to allow their low fan base to curb their ambition and reaching the top league should be seen as laying bare the failures of the more established teams who simply gave up the fight against the Old Firm and now accept being second best as an 'achievement.'

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 03:29 PM
Defeats don't make loyal Hibees turn away from supporting Hibs. How could they - we could hardly buy a win under previous managers. The main issue seems to be 'underachievement'. The Board always say 'top six' so the last 2 seasons we definitely underachieved

There's been various 'solutions' proposed by disenchanted supporters in recent years


Famer oot - Brian Kennedy In! The idea that somebody would buy the club and 'splash the cash' doesn't appear as attractive given the Craig Whyte and Mad Vlad situations
Sack Petrie! As Farmer's right hand man he looks after the non-playing side and some would say he provides us with the financial prudence much needed in the current climate
Sack the Board! There have been big changes with Lindsay and Hyland away and Langham and Houston fulfilling part-time executive roles
Sack a new coach every season! Most SPL critics state that's been the main contributing factor in our failure to build a settled team
New players! New Players! They were always meant to be better than who we have now. Aye right! That's why none of them last more than a season. We seemed to have learned that it's not so much the players - more how you develop them and set them up to play that makes the difference


So that leaves us with:-

Pressing the board to back the coach for a further year at least
Being realistic about who we can afford to keep or acquire in our financial situation
Backing the team for 90 minutes - win lose or draw and supporting the Sect43 guys with their efforts
Helping the club in promoting new supporter/club initiatives - East Terrace, Hibernians/Erin Trust, Player Sponsorship and more
Using 'fan pressure' to make sure we never settle for second best on the park in terms of fitness, workrate, discipline and fighting spirit


That's what I call 'Stand Up and Be Counted activity!
:hibees

An admirable stance to take however it's a chicken and egg scenario. If the Manager can produce an entertaining team who can win even slightly more games than they lose then that will satisfy the majority of fans I would have thought.

But we ain't got that far yet and as each week passes, I question if we ever will.

I live in hope.

Famous5forever
27-12-2012, 03:35 PM
Defeats don't make loyal Hibees turn away from supporting Hibs. How could they - we could hardly buy a win under previous managers. The main issue seems to be 'underachievement'. The Board always say 'top six' so the last 2 seasons we definitely underachieved

There's been various 'solutions' proposed by disenchanted supporters in recent years

Famer oot - Brian Kennedy In! The idea that somebody would buy the club and 'splash the cash' doesn't appear as attractive given the Craig Whyte and Mad Vlad situations
Sack Petrie! As Farmer's right hand man he looks after the non-playing side and some would say he provides us with the financial prudence much needed in the current climate
Sack the Board! There have been big changes with Lindsay and Hyland away and Langham and Houston fulfilling part-time executive roles
Sack a new coach every season! Most SPL critics state that's been the main contributing factor in our failure to build a settled team
New players! New Players! They were always meant to be better than who we have now. Aye right! That's why none of them last more than a season. We seemed to have learned that it's not so much the players - more how you develop them and set them up to play that makes the difference

So that leaves us with:-

Pressing the board to back the coach for a further year at least
Being realistic about who we can afford to keep or acquire in our financial situation
Backing the team for 90 minutes - win lose or draw and supporting the Sect43 guys with their efforts
Helping the club in promoting new supporter/club initiatives - East Terrace, Hibernians/Erin Trust, Player Sponsorship and more
Using 'fan pressure' to make sure we never settle for second best on the park in terms of fitness, workrate, discipline and fighting spirit

That's what I call 'Stand Up and Be Counted activity!
:hibees

Good post unfortunatly the OP And lots of others ( many of whom i used to go to the games with ) have stopped going/lost interest/given up That is until we get into a cup final then they moan that they cant get tickets.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 03:40 PM
Does he keep moaning about the 70's on here? What i find funny, really funny is blokes like you who dont even go to the games, getting all uppity because the football is not up to your standards. :faf:

Which teams are packing the crowds in these days Ray, and you can count in the EPL too? Football clubs are a business these days, they need to make money and stay self sufficient. We as much as you may not accept it are competing with the EPL, BUT COMPETING WITH DIVISION 3 MONEY.

The standard is not what we'd all like, but as i have pointed out before, and you completely ignore as usual, we are on a par with div 3 in England, and these are the clubs these days we fight it out with for players.

If there are so many teams much better than Hibs, why are they not packing their grounds out? FWIW i dont think you harking back to the 70s is a contributing factor in todays problems, i just feel its a daft thing to keep going on about, as times are VERY different now, something you will not accept.

Gary. its not just me, there are a lot of people who in the last couple of season's, have stopped going to Hibs games and rather than being funny, I believe it to be a serious indication as to how bad the situation became.

You say we are in a situation where we are competing with third division money, yet, at the expense of the very thing that would have attracted cash to the club, we spend millions on the stadium and a state of the art training complex.

What you choose to repeatedly ignore is that I don't compare the 70's to today. What I do is state the obvious & that is that no amount of plea's from Petrie and abuse coming out on here, will attract the missing thousands back.

Incidentally, it is the rest of the SPL that we are competing against & even today, we still have an advantage over a vast majority of our rivals & as usual, we are failing miserably to make that advantage count, either in terms of current and potential performance and income and that is what sticks in the throat of many of the stayaways, not any comparison to the seventies.

NORTHERNHIBBY
27-12-2012, 03:49 PM
Any Hibs fans that would call Ross County a diddy team are maybe confusing where they think we should be, with the reality of where we actually are. I was at both the away and the home game against them and in both matches, they have had the upper hand in deciding how the game panned out. Setting aside the jibes their manager made about having better players, what they do have is a well organised team who can play to rules and systems that they have been told to. They came for a point yesterday and got lucky. Nothing diddy about that at all.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 03:51 PM
The stayaways will always be stayaways. The reasons/excuses will change but it seems to me that their minds have been made up and nothing the players, managers, or board members say or do will change that.

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 03:53 PM
Any Hibs fans that would call Ross County a diddy team are maybe confusing where they think we should be, with the reality of where we actually are. I was at both the away and the home game against them and in both matches, they have had the upper hand in deciding how the game panned out. Setting aside the jibes their manager made about having better players, what they do have is a well organised team who can play to rules and systems that they have been told to. They came for a point yesterday and got lucky. Nothing diddy about that at all.

:agree:

When you consider that they come from a town with a population of just over 5000 then it's time to stand back and admire what they've achieved.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 03:58 PM
The stayaways will always be stayaways. The reasons/excuses will change but it seems to me that their minds have been made up and nothing the players, managers, or board members say or do will change that.

That may be the case for some, but it doesn't equate when attendances rise due to better performances Matt.

SouthamptonHibs
27-12-2012, 04:01 PM
Hibs should be embarrassed getting beat fi them twice already this season. Think that's them beat us three out of last four games now. How bad have we got when we can`t expect to beat teams like RC on a regular basis. Not interested how well they have done, Hibernian FC should be beating teams like them at least 70% of the time.

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 04:09 PM
Hibs should be embarrassed getting beat fi them twice already this season. Think that's them beat us three out of last four games now. How bad have we got when we can`t expect to beat teams like RC on a regular basis. Not interested how well they have done, Hibernian FC should be beating teams like them at least 70% of the time.

Purely based on the resources we have available, then I'd say we're under performing big style at the moment but that doesn't give us the right to assume we should be beating so called lesser teams.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 04:09 PM
That may be the case for some, but it doesn't equate when attendances rise due to better performances Matt.

We had the chance to overtake Motherwell and go back into second and the crowd was pish. We have done well this season, had some good results and folk wouldn't give credit. Like Stevie Reid and Blackpool have said, when we win to some we're just lucky but when we don't we're pish. When we're winning some posters disappear but when we lose a few it's all about how they knew the manager was pish all along. Does my f****** head in.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 04:12 PM
Purely based on the resources we have available, then I'd say we're under performing big style at the moment but that doesn't give us the right to assume we should be beating so called lesser teams.

Underperforming big style? 4th?!

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 04:15 PM
Underperforming big style? 4th?!

If you're satisfied with recent performances Matty then you really are very easily pleased.

If we make top 6 I'll be both surprised and delighted.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 04:25 PM
If you're satisfied with recent performances Matty then you really are very easily pleased.

If we make top 6 I'll be both surprised and delighted.

If the season ended now I'd be relatively happy with it overall. The last few games have been poor, very poor, but there have also been many games this season that I have enjoyed at Easter Road.

If we take the bad games in isolation then we are under-performing big style, but over the season til now I think that's hugely unfair.

blackpoolhibs
27-12-2012, 04:27 PM
Gary. its not just me, there are a lot of people who in the last couple of season's, have stopped going to Hibs games and rather than being funny, I believe it to be a serious indication as to how bad the situation became.

You make it sound as if the poor football is the only reason folk have stopped going? I'd argue its more to do with cost, and the cost is the price it is because of our neighbours in England

You say we are in a situation where we are competing with third division money, yet, at the expense of the very thing that would have attracted cash to the club, we spend millions on the stadium and a state of the art training complex.

How the hell are we still spending more than most, if we have wasted as you say millions? I disagree the moneys wasted, but yet again you would rather look backwards than forward. No surprise there imo.

What you choose to repeatedly ignore is that I don't compare the 70's to today. What I do is state the obvious & that is that no amount of plea's from Petrie and abuse coming out on here, will attract the missing thousands back.

The club asking for more season tickets to be sold, is no different to ANY other club in the world, there is NOTHING wrong in what the club put out in its news letters.

Incidentally, it is the rest of the SPL that we are competing against & even today, we still have an advantage over a vast majority of our rivals & as usual, we are failing miserably to make that advantage count, either in terms of current and potential performance and income and that is what sticks in the throat of many of the stayaways, not any comparison to the seventies.

So here you are admitting we have an advantage over most of our rivals, even after spending what we did on terrific facilities, that will not need building again, but you still cant get behind those running the club or the team.

I think you would rather cut your nose off to spite your face, our club is in good standing and will get there, but because of what the club has done in the past, you cant give them any credit when things are looking up, and cant wait to get stuck right in as soon as we have a blip.

When we are sheite, i have said so, but when we have results that clearly have been better i think its only natural to feel a bit happier.

3rd bottom then 2nd bottom, we are now 4th but no you'd rather talk about how we are failing miserably. :rolleyes:

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 04:32 PM
If the season ended now I'd be relatively happy with it overall. The last few games have been poor, very poor, but there have also been many games this season that I have enjoyed at Easter Road.

If we take the bad games in isolation then we are under-performing big style, but over the season til now I think that's hugely unfair.

I'm being honest in saying that earlier in the season, the results were sometimes better than the actual performances and maybe things are starting to catch up on us now.

It's the boring predictable negativity of the team's play that riles me more than anything else and the Manager can certainly influence that.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 04:35 PM
I'm being honest in saying that earlier in the season, the results were sometimes better than the actual performances and maybe things are starting to catch up on us now.

It's the boring predictable negativity of the team's play that riles me more than anything else and the Manager can certainly influence that.

I can think of as many games that we didn't take something from that we should have, as ones where we won and didn't deserve to.

clerriehibs
27-12-2012, 04:37 PM
I smell yams


:rolleyes:

I smell paranoia.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 04:41 PM
:rolleyes:

I smell paranoia.

I smell sea shells on the sea shore.

clerriehibs
27-12-2012, 04:43 PM
I smell sea shells on the sea shore.


Put yer baffies back on then!

Ray_
27-12-2012, 04:50 PM
So here you are admitting we have an advantage over most of our rivals, even after spending what we did on terrific facilities, that will not need building again, but you still cant get behind those running the club or the team.

I think you would rather cut your nose off to spite your face, our club is in good standing and will get there, but because of what the club has done in the past, you cant give them any credit when things are looking up, and cant wait to get stuck right in as soon as we have a blip.

When we are sheite, i have said so, but when we have results that clearly have been better i think its only natural to feel a bit happier.

3rd bottom then 2nd bottom, we are now 4th but no you'd rather talk about how we are failing miserably. :rolleyes:

We have always had an advantage over a majority of our rivals and given our record, we are the most underachieving football team in Scotland and that is a success? The easy bit was the facilities, spending money is always far more easy than making it, so how is it an achievement to spend money on bricks and mortar at the expense of what you are trying to sell?

Blip, are you having a laugh? We have been been making wholesale changes in our playing personnel during most of the last fifteen years and you are calling that progress, our two best players are not ours, there is little value in our squad & the reason we don't have loads of dead wood, for about the first time in donkey years, is that we have very few players.

How on earth am I cutting my nose off to spite my face? If there was something worthwhile going on at ER, I'd be back again making that journey, we have a large and extensive history's of false dawn's, the recent past has been a bridge too far for many and even once die hard's are abstaining from going.

BSEJVT
27-12-2012, 04:51 PM
The stayaways will always be stayaways. The reasons/excuses will change but it seems to me that their minds have been made up and nothing the players, managers, or board members say or do will change that.

Sorry Matty but that is just not accurate

I have had a season ticket for 15 out the last 17 years (i.e not the last 2)

I miss going to see a good game of football involving Hibs, but thats the problem there aren't many.

Its not life or death for me that we win anymore, except against Hearts, but I refuse to watch the utter pish I have done in recent years, served up by both teams.

There is just no enjoyment in it any more.

When you have a season ticket you go regardless

When you are asking yourself to make a value judgement on time, money, entertainment or whatever, it becomes much harder to go when it is utter dross.

When you miss a few games, missing more gets easier and easier.

I miss the times I had watching decent Hibs teams with my children and mates and being entertained, win lose or draw.

I was offered a freebie for the Celtic game and turned it down, because it drives me nuts watching that utter drivel, there's no enjoyment in that.

Now patronise me again by calling me a stayaway.

If there was anything worth going to see I would be there, but I am at a stage in my life where I wont go just because.

I have less days left to live than I have already lived so I am going to try and get some enjoyment out them.

And yes I do feel guilty deserting Hibs when they need me, but I would rather live with that guilt that cause myslef a heart attack getting worked up over the dreadful state we are in.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 05:00 PM
Sorry Matty but that is just not accurate

I have had a season ticket for 15 out the last 17 years (i.e not the last 2)

I miss going to see a good game of football involving Hibs, but thats the problem there aren't many.

Its not life or death for me that we win anymore, except against Hearts, but I refuse to watch the utter pish I have done in recent years, served up by both teams.

There is just no enjoyment in it any more.

When you have a season ticket you go regardless

When you are asking yourself to make a value judgement on time, money, entertainment or whatever, it becomes much harder to go when it is utter dross.

When you miss a few games, missing more gets easier and easier.

I miss the times I had watching decent Hibs teams with my children and mates and being entertained, win lose or draw.

I was offered a freebie for the Celtic game and turned it down, because it drives me nuts watching that utter drivel, there's no enjoyment in that.

Now patronise me again by calling me a stayaway.

If there was anything worth going to see I would be there, but I am at a stage in my life where I wont go just because.

I have less days left to live than I have already lived so I am going to try and get some enjoyment out them.

And yes I do feel guilty deserting Hibs when they need me, but I would rather live with that guilt that cause myslef a heart attack getting worked up over the dreadful state we are in.

So no matter what you'll stay away? In what way does that make my post inaccurate?

I appreciate my post was a generalisation by the way, I accept that there are exceptions.

Russ
27-12-2012, 05:09 PM
I have been waiting on some smart A*** to come out with a wise crack. In life you don't get anything for being a Dickhead. Because someone states they are unhappy the way the team is playing a clot like you comes along and thinks I am a Yam. YOU COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Its a pity you cant see the problems with the team. I have watched them for 56 Years and Im not prepaired to return until I see them putting in the effort.

Not a wisecrack just an observation. By the look of things I hit a nerve, and btw you have to be AT the games to see them doing anything:wink:

marinello59
27-12-2012, 05:10 PM
I was offered a freebie for the Celtic game and turned it down, because it drives me nuts watching that utter drivel, there's no enjoyment in that.

Now patronise me again by calling me a stayaway.

I don't think Matty was patronising anybody to be fair.
You have made several lengthy posts recently explaining why you don't go along to games anymore so I don't see why you are taking umbrage at the term stayaway when that's what you are.:confused:

Mikey
27-12-2012, 05:19 PM
The bottom line here is the longer folk stay away for the longer it'll take for things to improve.

And despite what was on show yesterday, things are slowly improving. The more who buy into it the quicker it'll be turned around.

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 05:23 PM
The bottom line here is the longer folk stay away for the longer it'll take for things to improve.

And despite what was on show yesterday, things are slowly improving. The more who buy into it the quicker it'll be turned around.

Right now Mikey the problem is retaining the fans who have been attending on a regular basis as there is a danger that disillusionment is already creeping in.

Beefster
27-12-2012, 05:32 PM
The bottom line here is the longer folk stay away for the longer it'll take for things to improve.

And despite what was on show yesterday, things are slowly improving. The more who buy into it the quicker it'll be turned around.

There were a lot of renewals last summer based on the cup final. If things don't pick up in the second half of the season (or we have a similar cup final hook to entice renewals), I fear that the current 'stayaways' are going to look like a drop in the ocean compared to next season's.

monktonharp
27-12-2012, 05:50 PM
It looked like a mountain to climb, a few short months ago in the relation to getting mair seats filled. surprisingly, it was getting better week by week as we were getting some results on the park(albeit a bit inconsistant) but over the past few weeks we have slumped alarmingly . I thought we were back on track by getting a point at Killie, but after yesterday it's all doom and gloom with far too many Hibbies again. I'm not trying to blame or accuse anyone for not turning up btw, but I was very surprised at the low turnout yesterday. I managed to coax my son to go, and a man in front of me at the west stand actually had 9 guests of his along at the game. for a holiday period , you would expect a bigger turnout but some seem to have decided that Hibernian need to win consistantly before they even consider going (cup game exempt). I actually thought we were the better team against R.Co but they spoiled the game/flow by their tactics, were cheating as much as the ref allowed them to, all over the park and the ref was an absolute fud which wasted at least 15 minutes of the second half. those that were not there, only see the 1 nil defeat. we should have won that game but a couple of our players were not up to the task of using some of the tricks that Ross County employed.

weststandhibby
27-12-2012, 06:09 PM
Ok - i had a season ticket for over 15 years and packed it in at end of season 2010/11 when football was just dross and i didn't see any attempt re management in changing that. Still went to occasional game and still count myself as a hibby - so got a half season in early December and went along on Wednesday. Jeez i would have been better watching my 8 year old nephews team - for players getting well paid to play a game of football it was woeful! I'm now £220 out of pocket and yes Mr Petrie i heeded the call to back the team but you had better deliver now or you'll have even smaller numbers next year!

I'll stick by the team but how many others would have but wont now?



Rant over....................................

:flag:

BSEJVT
27-12-2012, 06:19 PM
So no matter what you'll stay away? In what way does that make my post inaccurate?

I appreciate my post was a generalisation by the way, I accept that there are exceptions.

Sorry where did I say that?

I said "if there was anything worth going to see I would"

Believe it or not I am looking for an excuse to go back!

I would even accept what we went through when Bobby Williamson was blooding the "teenage kicks" generation without anything remotely approaching the same expectation level.

But IMO we are playing not to lose, no risks, no creativity football and it is dire to watch.

I would rather we played more expansively and lost 4-2. At least I might feel entertained

I am not suggesting for a moment that they were, but yesterday was like wtaching a bunch of guys with hangovers trying to play football.

Control poor

Passing poor

Collect and turn with the ball poor

Dribbling poor

Off the ball running poor

Creating space poor

Other than one take from McGivern of a ball going out, one delightful outside of the foot pass by Griffiths to Wotherspoon on the wing and a couple of crosses by McGivern I cant recall anything else that made the entry fee worthwhile.

BSEJVT
27-12-2012, 06:25 PM
I don't think Matty was patronising anybody to be fair.
You have made several lengthy posts recently explaining why you don't go along to games anymore so I don't see why you are taking umbrage at the term stayaway when that's what you are.:confused:

I dont think he was either

I dont think I am taking umbrage either

The point I am trying to make is its not that simple

I am not staying away because I hate x or y and making a point and when x or y are fixed I will return.

I am simply not going because other than my love of hibs and my guilt at not going there is nothing that would make you want to go in what is on offer.

Until there is something worth viewing people wont go, in times like this we all have choices to make on what we spend our cash / time on and until Hibs make their offering worthwhile people wont go.

I want to back, I swithered over a half s/t but watching hibs like this just makes me depressed and miserable.

As I said earlier, its not about winning, although that is clearly preferable, its about being entertained.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 06:28 PM
We had the chance to overtake Motherwell and go back into second and the crowd was pish. We have done well this season, had some good results and folk wouldn't give credit. Like Stevie Reid and Blackpool have said, when we win to some we're just lucky but when we don't we're pish. When we're winning some posters disappear but when we lose a few it's all about how they knew the manager was pish all along. Does my f****** head in.

Matty being 4th doesn't hide just how few times we have actually performed to a level worthy of the money it costs to go to matches & that does a lot of fans f head in. The crowd was pish because people aren't fooled by what they see on the field and our position in the table. If we played better, we would get better crowds. I have to spend two days getting to and from a Hibs game & it got less and less appealing putting in that much effort, especially when, for much of the time, the players look as though they couldn't give a monkey's.

Golden Bear
27-12-2012, 06:28 PM
I dont think he was either

I dont think I am taking umbrage either

The point I am trying to make is its not that simple

I am not staying away because I hate x or y and making a point and when x or y are fixed I will return.

I am simply not going because other than my love of hibs and my guilt at not going there is nothing that would make you want to go in what is on offer.

Until there is something worth viewing people wont go, in times like this we all have choices to make on what we spend our cash / time on and until Hibs make their offering worthwhile people wont go.

I want to back, I swithered over a half s/t but watching hibs like this just makes me depressed and miserable.

As I said earlier, its not about winning, although that is clearly preferable, its about being entertained.

Totally agree with your last paragraph.

blackpoolhibs
27-12-2012, 06:35 PM
We have always had an advantage over a majority of our rivals and given our record, we are the most underachieving football team in Scotland and that is a success? The easy bit was the facilities, spending money is always far more easy than making it, so how is it an achievement to spend money on bricks and mortar at the expense of what you are trying to sell?

Blip, are you having a laugh? We have been been making wholesale changes in our playing personnel during most of the last fifteen years and you are calling that progress, our two best players are not ours, there is little value in our squad & the reason we don't have loads of dead wood, for about the first time in donkey years, is that we have very few players.

How on earth am I cutting my nose off to spite my face? If there was something worthwhile going on at ER, I'd be back again making that journey, we have a large and extensive history's of false dawn's, the recent past has been a bridge too far for many and even once die hard's are abstaining from going.

A whole post about the past, its gone/over never coming back.

blackpoolhibs
27-12-2012, 06:36 PM
Matty being 4th doesn't hide just how few times we have actually performed to a level worthy of the money it costs to go to matches & that does a lot of fans f head in. The crowd was pish because people aren't fooled by what they see on the field and our position in the table. If we played better, we would get better crowds. I have to spend two days getting to and from a Hibs game & it got less and less appealing putting in that much effort, especially when, for much of the time, the players look as though they couldn't give a monkey's.

Perhaps you could ask the club to move a little nearer Walton on the naze?

onfire
27-12-2012, 06:47 PM
Yesterdays game was utter crap, but if asked at the start of the season we'd be 4th after 20 games I'd have taken it. Yesterday showed we need a better bench but i'd question why there has to be so many games this time of year.

Jones28
27-12-2012, 06:49 PM
Am I the only one who feels that there has been enough pumped into the club by the fans? Am I the only who feels that it's a bit of a piss take after the last few seasons I am being asked for yet more money by the club? An I the only one who feels it's time to speculate a bit of cash on the likes of Leigh griffiths before asking the fans for more money?

Over the past few months I've been to 3 games and spent over £100 on Hibs but this is still not enough!

Mikey
27-12-2012, 06:55 PM
Am I the only one who feels that there has been enough pumped into the club by the fans? Am I the only who feels that it's a bit of a piss take after the last few seasons I am being asked for yet more money by the club? An I the only one who feels it's time to speculate a bit of cash on the likes of Leigh griffiths before asking the fans for more money?

Over the past few months I've been to 3 games and spent over £100 on Hibs but this is still not enough!

You're not a regular on hibs.net, are you? :greengrin

matty_f
27-12-2012, 07:05 PM
Matty being 4th doesn't hide just how few times we have actually performed to a level worthy of the money it costs to go to matches & that does a lot of fans f head in. The crowd was pish because people aren't fooled by what they see on the field and our position in the table. If we played better, we would get better crowds. I have to spend two days getting to and from a Hibs game & it got less and less appealing putting in that much effort, especially when, for much of the time, the players look as though they couldn't give a monkey's.

Don't really care how arsey this is going to sound but I couldn't think of another way to word it...sorry!

How would you know how our performances were if you weren't there to see them?

Ray_
27-12-2012, 07:08 PM
A whole post about the past, its gone/over never coming back.

10 minutes ago is in the past, however, 10 minutes ago makes no significant difference in the attitude towards fans and them currently attending Hibs matches.

If you think it is clever to keep on ignoring the reason's people are giving for no longer going to games, believing only your opinion is worthy, then that's fine, i'll take it for what its worth.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 07:09 PM
Perhaps you could ask the club to move a little nearer Walton on the naze? No, like a number of others have said, make the team worth watching is all that's needed.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 07:11 PM
No, like a number of others have said, make the team worth watching is all that's needed.

They've been worth watching most of this season. Like I said, the stayaways won't come back, they just change the reasons.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 07:19 PM
Don't really care how arsey this is going to sound but I couldn't think of another way to word it...sorry!

How would you know how our performances were if you weren't there to see them?

That might have been appropriate sometime ago, when you only had a couple of newspaper reports to go by, however, this season so far there have been eight live televised matches, plus more by delayed transmitting from Alba, not to mention reviews from family and friends as well as views posted on here and social and media outlets.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 07:25 PM
They've been worth watching most of this season. Like I said, the stayaways won't come back, they just change the reasons.

Who are the stayaways? Are you talking about the large number of people who started coming during TM's era, or ones that have been going for years? You are getting a few recent posts from long term supporters who have stopped going. What about the rest, the ones who were attracted by the entertainment offered in the recent past and are you saying that the club is exempt from the responsibility of trying to keep new supporters and trying to attract other new ones?

As for they won't come back, the fact that early season attendances increased game on game suggests otherwise.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 07:31 PM
Who are the stayaways? Are you talking about the large number of people who started coming during TM's era, or ones that have been going for years? You are getting a few recent posts from long term supporters who have stopped going. What about the rest, the ones who were attracted by the entertainment offered in the recent past and are you saying that the club is except from the responsibility of trying to keep new supporters and trying to attract other new ones?

As for they won't come back, the fact that early season attendances increased game on game suggests otherwise.

The stayaways are the ones who are refusing to come back. Obviously it stands to reason that if they've come back then by definition they are not stayaways.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 07:41 PM
The stayaways are the ones who are refusing to come back. Obviously it stands to reason that if they've come back then by definition they are not stayaways.

Looks as though some have come back, only to stayaway again, what should they be called? And some who have so far stayed away this season, have indicated that they wouldn't remain stayaways, what are they to be called? :greengrin

matty_f
27-12-2012, 07:42 PM
Looks as though some have come back, only to stayaway again, what should they be called? And some who have so far stayed away this season, have indicated that they wouldn't remain stayaways, what are they to be called? :greengrin

Call them what you want.

3pm
27-12-2012, 07:44 PM
I only went on Saturday to see Ross County.

3pm
27-12-2012, 07:45 PM
....and had to wait til Wednesday!!

Ray_
27-12-2012, 07:49 PM
Am I the only one who feels that there has been enough pumped into the club by the fans? Am I the only who feels that it's a bit of a piss take after the last few seasons I am being asked for yet more money by the club? An I the only one who feels it's time to speculate a bit of cash on the likes of Leigh griffiths before asking the fans for more money?

Over the past few months I've been to 3 games and spent over £100 on Hibs but this is still not enough!

I've spent more then that and haven't been to any of the games :greengrin

lord bunberry
27-12-2012, 08:06 PM
They've been worth watching most of this season. Like I said, the stayaways won't come back, they just change the reasons.

Spot on we have had the cup final the board the manager the lack of entertainment the cost amongst other reasons used for not going. To many people with the means to attend matches don't do so but are still happy to call themselves supporters and be first in line if there's cup final tickets ti be had. Imo its time to put up or shut up

Ray_
27-12-2012, 08:12 PM
Spot on we have had the cup final the board the manager the lack of entertainment the cost amongst other reasons used for not going. To many people with the means to attend matches don't do so but are still happy to call themselves supporters and be first in line if there's cup final tickets ti be had. Imo its time to put up or shut up

Oh is it?

And none of the reasons you mentioned above are relevant? Most likely there are a great number of them calling themselves supporters who have spent far more cash supporting the club than some of the ones giving them this sort of guff.

lord bunberry
27-12-2012, 08:22 PM
Spot on we have had the cup final the board the manager the lack of entertainment the cost amongst other reasons used for not going. To many people with the means to attend matches don't do so but are still happy to call themselves supporters and be first in line if there's cup final tickets ti be had. Imo its time to put up or shut up

Oh is it?

And none of the reasons you mentioned above are relevant? Most likely there are a great number of them calling themselves supporters who have spent far more cash supporting the club than some of the ones giving them this sort of guff.

Yes it is there are far to many people like you who only want to put the club down while trotting out the same old excuses for not going to games. When was the last time you attended a game

Ray_
27-12-2012, 08:28 PM
[QUOTE=Ray-in-ireland;3455848]

Yes it is there are far to many people like you who only want to put the club down while trotting out the same old excuses for not going to games. When was the last time you attended a game

And why do you think there are so many of them, hint, its not by chance?

Where do you think you are, the old Soviet Block? Why do you think people need excuses for not going? Its called freedom of choice!

2011.

lord bunberry
27-12-2012, 08:38 PM
[QUOTE=lord bunberry;3455856]

And why do you think there are so many of them, hint, its not by chance?

Where do you think you are, the old Soviet Block? Why do you think people need excuses for not going? Its called freedom of choice!

2011.

Well how do you know how bad we have been if you have only seen us on tv. Your right people don't need an excuse not to go but they do enjoy coming on here and telling us why they don't go anymore you haven't said anything positive for weeks

Sudds_1
27-12-2012, 08:53 PM
We have always had an advantage over a majority of our rivals and given our record, we are the most underachieving football team in Scotland and that is a success? The easy bit was the facilities, spending money is always far more easy than making it, so how is it an achievement to spend money on bricks and mortar at the expense of what you are trying to sell?

Blip, are you having a laugh? We have been been making wholesale changes in our playing personnel during most of the last fifteen years and you are calling that progress, our two best players are not ours, there is little value in our squad & the reason we don't have loads of dead wood, for about the first time in donkey years, is that we have very few players.

How on earth am I cutting my nose off to spite my face? If there was something worthwhile going on at ER, I'd be back again making that journey, we have a large and extensive history's of false dawn's, the recent past has been a bridge too far for many and even once die hard's are abstaining from going.

you know Ray...........why bother being a Hibs "fan". Its clearly doing your emotional health no good at all. All I see from you is critisism followed by negativity followed by yet more critisism with no real alternative plan of action/strategy or road map to get what you think you deserve as a "fan". You like many others simpy what something out of nothing. A golden massiah to come out of nowhere and change things overnight. Got news for you mate......takes time, and there will always be bumps on the way. We've come from second last to 4th. If you're still prepared only to see the negative from that rather than some of the positives then do yourself a favour mate...........take up another sport. Your doing yourself no favours..........or the club I love.


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hibbyhabit
27-12-2012, 08:57 PM
you know Ray...........why bother being a Hibs "fan". Its clearly doing your emotional health no good at all. All I see from you is critisism followed by negativity followed by yet more critisism with no real alternative plan of action/strategy or road map to get what you think you deserve as a "fan". You like many others simpy what something out of nothing. A golden massiah to come out of nowhere and change things overnight. Got news for you mate......takes time, and there will always be bumps on the way. We've come from second last to 4th. If you're still prepared only to see the negative from that rather than some of the positives then do yourself a favour mate...........take up another sport. Your doing yourself no favours..........or the club I love.


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What a great post. :top marks

Jonnyboy
27-12-2012, 09:04 PM
I smell yams

Totally disrespectful and nae need

Wellbankhibby
27-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Not a wisecrack just an observation. By the look of things I hit a nerve, and btw you have to be AT the games to see them doing anything:wink:

Wrong again you dont have to be at the game to observe what is wrong. If that was the case you would never watch footy on tv or listen to the radio or may I say even read the daily blogs. You never hit a nerve with me Russ me old Cocker I just dont have time to listen to People like you, in fact I might go to the Docs tomorrow for something to get rid of My Pain in the A** probably better to leave you to it. :confused:

weecounty hibby
27-12-2012, 10:38 PM
I had a ST for years up till 2007. Gave up for family reasons that i have posted about in the past. The thing is once you lose the habit of going every week and that £30/£40/£50 per week is used elsewhere it makes it difficult to get the habit back again. I have only been to two home matches this season and am going to tynie on 3rd. I guess i am a stayaway but i'm willing to bet there are hundreds, if not thousands, who are the same as me they have just lost the habit. Especially out of towners like myself
I still love going to watch Hibs and honestly the result doesn't even matter that much to me now. I was at thw motherwell game snd thought it was a decent game that anyone bar Hibs fans would have really enjoyed. I had a good day with old friends, had a few beers and saw Hibs play ok. Took my son as well and total cost for the day was about £40 and that was without the admission fee. It is an expensive habit and one that once broken is not easily picked up again.

Baldy Foghorn
27-12-2012, 10:52 PM
you know Ray...........why bother being a Hibs "fan". Its clearly doing your emotional health no good at all. All I see from you is critisism followed by negativity followed by yet more critisism with no real alternative plan of action/strategy or road map to get what you think you deserve as a "fan". You like many others simpy what something out of nothing. A golden massiah to come out of nowhere and change things overnight. Got news for you mate......takes time, and there will always be bumps on the way. We've come from second last to 4th. If you're still prepared only to see the negative from that rather than some of the positives then do yourself a favour mate...........take up another sport. Your doing yourself no favours..........or the club I love.

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:top marks:top marks

Spot on Sudds........

Hibeesforever
27-12-2012, 11:02 PM
Spot on we have had the cup final the board the manager the lack of entertainment the cost amongst other reasons used for not going. To many people with the means to attend matches don't do so but are still happy to call themselves supporters and be first in line if there's cup final tickets ti be had. Imo its time to put up or shut up

Here Here, stay away and you forfeit any opinion on the current team or manager. I am fed up meeting people who claim they are Hibernian supporters but have not been to any games this season.
Some of the 25,000 claim they were scarred at the cup final. Get real. If able and don't attend league games or contribute, then you are not a current supporter and your opinion is of no interest.

Jones28
27-12-2012, 11:08 PM
Here Here, stay away and you forfeit any opinion on the current team or manager. I am fed up meeting people who claim they are Hibernian supporters but have not been to any games this season.
Some of the 25,000 claim they were scarred at the cup final. Get real. If able and don't attend league games or contribute, then you are not a current supporter and your opinion is of no interest.

Well said. Where are the rest of the 25000 who went to hampden?

truehibernian
27-12-2012, 11:11 PM
If you look all around the SPL and wider Scottish football community, you'll see fans staying away or drifting away - people don't only want to be entertained but they also want value for their family money. Football, and Easter Road especially, is far far too expensive - now that will undoubtedly bring out those that highlight the kids season/family ticket/frozen prices argument - it just doesn't wash anymore. Go to the Omni just up the road, watch a 90 minute film, stay warm, be reasonably entertained, box of popcorn and a juice - half the price for me and my son - yet I still take him to Easter Road (now under duress I have to say) !

Xbox, going shopping, Starbucks, watch game in boozer - all good reasons for folk to not spend their money at the turnstiles.

For me (and please this isn't a Petrie bash), Rod has to step aside and allow someone fresh, young and new, dare I say entrepreneurial, into the hot seat and refresh and revitalise the club. I know countless fans who are not going because of Rod's stale approach to Hibs. Pat and the players are talking the talk and sounding up for a fight - Rod for me is now just plodding along. It's in stark contrast.

I'm not for one minute saying I want a 'gung ho' chairman (or woman) - just someone who will look at ways to get the community, schools, businesses all involved with Hibernian again. Someone not camera shy and someone not really hiding behind 'give us your cash' official statements. A chairman who is seen in the Edinburgh community would also be nice - not just at match days.

Above all though, football at Easter Road has to be made cheaper - if the argument is then 'we won't be able to afford quality', then I'm afraid the last 4 seasons has proved they've failed to supply that with what they had previously. I'll then accept Hibs cranking up their youth football investment and making it akin to Crewe down south - a real conveyor belt of young talent, with thrills and spills, but entertainment - the 'downside' knowing that there will be off days and we will lose players but hopefully for money that can be invested wisely.

A Director of Football, one with vast experience and knowledge, for me is the first step - in fact it could replace the Chairman :agree:

Ray_
27-12-2012, 11:19 PM
you know Ray...........why bother being a Hibs "fan". Its clearly doing your emotional health no good at all. All I see from you is critisism followed by negativity followed by yet more critisism with no real alternative plan of action/strategy or road map to get what you think you deserve as a "fan". You like many others simpy what something out of nothing. A golden massiah to come out of nowhere and change things overnight. Got news for you mate......takes time, and there will always be bumps on the way. We've come from second last to 4th. If you're still prepared only to see the negative from that rather than some of the positives then do yourself a favour mate...........take up another sport. Your doing yourself no favours..........or the club I love.


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You know Sudds, that's a relief, somebody else says that all I talk about is the seventies, one of you are wrong! Incidentally, this is a forum for Hibs fans to give their opinion and too many on here want it to be only for like minded people who glory that the club are 4th in the SPL. If that is what you want either don't view threads that may be contentious or start a website praising all things Hibernian.

I can safely say that have not started one thread that is negative towards the club, but I have contributed my reason's for taking a break from coming to ER, not just for the sake of it, but because its relevance to the particular thread I'm posting on. What do you want instead? A site full of Vlad's Sheep equivalents, because if anybody dares to cross the party line, the more vocal element make it seem as though its going that way?

Incidentally, the thing I most react to is the blame game and emotional blackmail directed towards fans, for whatever reason, who have decided to stop going. Do you really believe this destructive tactic comes within your alternative strategy or roadmap to recovery? If not, in the interest of parity, why don't you give the individuals engaging such an activity the same as your trying to give me?

The Modfather
27-12-2012, 11:22 PM
If able and don't attend league games or contribute, then you are not a current supporter and your opinion is of no interest.

Our opinion is of no interest, but you (Hibs) still want our money??

My feedback is simple. For a long time now, win lose or draw the "entertainment" on show (from both teams) has been dire, and for the handsome fee of £23 odd a go, thanks but no thanks.

I had a season ticket for 8 years but haven't had one since the new stand was built or been to a game this season. For cup final tickets me and my mates split the cost of two season ticket renewals between the 4 of us. The two who were using it were doing so because they live on Easter Road, but even they have stopped going because it is dire to watch. We can't give our season ticket away most weeks now, even when we were joint top.

Ray_
27-12-2012, 11:24 PM
Here Here, stay away and you forfeit any opinion on the current team or manager. I am fed up meeting people who claim they are Hibernian supporters but have not been to any games this season.
Some of the 25,000 claim they were scarred at the cup final. Get real. If able and don't attend league games or contribute, then you are not a current supporter and your opinion is of no interest.

This piece of literary genius will really inspire the hordes back :thumbsup:

Sir David Gray
27-12-2012, 11:31 PM
Some people won't be back after the last few years, and after May in particular, I have mentioned that on several occasions now.

However the idea that thousands of people are never going to be back regardless of how well we do is just silly. We were averaging about 14,000 around 6 or 7 years ago under Mowbray, now it's down to around 9-10,000. If we started playing the sort of football that was on offer at Easter Road back then, on a consistent basis, I think we would see a lot of those 4,000 people coming back.

Whether people like it or not, the events at Hampden on the 19th May did an unbelievable amount of damage to the club and it will take an awful lot of time for some people to get over that. We were seeing an increase over the course of the season, but those figures have started to decrease again recently given our poor form over the past month or so.

Yes we did quite well from August-November but I'm afraid it's going to take a bit more than 3 or 4 months of good results to make up for 3 or 4 years of mediocre results and shocking performances. People are also forgetting how bad things have been at Easter Road. Up until this year, we had barely won a league game at home for 2 and a half years! Even this season, although we were unbeaten at home until last month, we've now lost 3 home league games in a row. That's not going to help entice people back either.

We are a better side than last season, I don't think anyone who has seen us over the past 12 months will argue with that and I think Pat Fenlon has done enough during that time to have the full support of the fans and the board to get the time to build his side over the next few transfer windows. However the idea that we're going to have 2-3,000 people coming back after a couple of months' worth of good performances after the football we've been subjected to over the past couple of years is just fantasy land, unfortunately.

matty_f
27-12-2012, 11:37 PM
This piece of literary genius will really inspire the hordes back :thumbsup:

Now it's the fans' fault!

Ray_
27-12-2012, 11:42 PM
Now it's the fans' fault!

No, remember Matt, its fault of the stayaway's and they are not fans, are they?

BroxburnHibee
27-12-2012, 11:45 PM
Here Here, stay away and you forfeit any opinion on the current team or manager. I am fed up meeting people who claim they are Hibernian supporters but have not been to any games this season.
Some of the 25,000 claim they were scarred at the cup final. Get real. If able and don't attend league games or contribute, then you are not a current supporter and your opinion is of no interest.

So you're not allowed an opinion on here unless you go to games - might as well shut this place down then.

BEEJ
27-12-2012, 11:52 PM
Only issue the players you correctly mentioning as prime candidates for the exit are all on contracts till seasons end..unless another club bids / offers to take contract etc we are stuck - its often missed we are still paying O'Hanlon to 'stay away' from club -we need to hope these players want to play and are prepared to go else where to try and make that happen
Are we? :confused:

Was this discussed / raised at the recent club AGM? Are there any other former members of staff in a similar category?

blackpoolhibs
27-12-2012, 11:55 PM
So you're not allowed an opinion on here unless you go to games - might as well shut this place down then.

Everyone is allowed an opinion, but if you dont go to the games that opinion is somewhat diluted in my opinion.

Especially when we have been so bad recently, and could do with more through the gates to help improve the team, a team that has improved.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I suppose Ray will be along in a minute to tell me just how good eggs were years ago, and the chickens were much tastier too?

Gerard
27-12-2012, 11:58 PM
If we want Hibs to be successful it requires more fans to attend games at ER. We live in difficult times and football is not an essential item for a number of our fans. I see PF slowly making Hibs a better team and the points that we have got so far would suggest that this is due to PF's management of the team. We have a chance to get to another Scottish Cup final and with a bit of luck and good play by Hibs, it can happen.
I think that as fans we have to accept that there will be good runs and bad runs at our club. I hope that we are going to go on a good run. If at the end of the season we have another cup final day and we finish in the top six then that is a good season.
:wink:

matty_f
28-12-2012, 01:18 AM
No, remember Matt, its fault of the stayaway's and they are not fans, are they?

Fans maybe, but not supporters.

gegs70
28-12-2012, 01:30 AM
While hibs have been better this season we certainly have not been brilliant. Weare still far from the exciting team the Tony Mowbary had, most of which were homegrown talent. The reason the fans didnt remain after that was that there was no consistency and Rod couldnt take us to the next level as we dont have the finances. It unfortunately will always be a similar story the only way to go to the next level is to fond someone to put some serious finance into the club. Or have a never ending porridge pot of young tslent coming through.....

Russell The Dug
28-12-2012, 02:09 AM
Everyone is allowed an opinion, but if you dont go to the games that opinion is somewhat diluted in my opinion.

Especially when we have been so bad recently, and could do with more through the gates to help improve the team, a team that has improved.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I suppose Ray will be along in a miniute to tell me just how good eggs were years ago, and the chickens were much tastier too?

As a club who wish to progress and get back the support we had the opinions of the supporters not going anymore matter even more than the ones like us that go regardless. Until we listen to why they don't go then they will not return.

People like me will go regardless, others have Mahad enough because its pish in comparison to what we used to have before we sold all our players to pay for the training ground and stadium we were told would be to our advantage for years to come. Any evidence?

All we have now is a half empty stadium and supporters on here happy we are too 6 regardless of how ***** we are playing because we're not going down. Others are more obsessed with over the road than to what is happening at hibs. The club is a total mess on and off the pitch. In pat we trust but what's the plan? Hoofball and a few more loanees in January? 3 of our better players are away in January and were left with players on decent deals like Kubjabi who someone gave a two year deal too and the Finnished fin up top who makes Mixus signing if JJ look inspirational.

Where do we go after January? What's the plan? I seen no plan for the second half against Motherwell or yesterday at all yet some think we're going places just now? There is no evidence all all. None.

Cameron1875
28-12-2012, 02:44 AM
:agree:

When you consider that they come from a town with a population of just over 5000 then it's time to stand back and admire what they've achieved.

Is it wrong that I think Hibernian should always beat Ross County home and away. The fact that we seem to think its understandable when we don't them is one of the reasons the club is such a soft touch imo.

marinello59
28-12-2012, 03:36 AM
Is it wrong that I think Hibernian should always beat Ross County home and away. The fact that we seem to think its understandable when we don't them is one of the reasons the club is such a soft touch imo.

It's arrogant in the extreme to think that just because we are the more established team we have some sort of devine right to beat them. That's nothing to do with being a soft touch or not. I take it you find the Old Firms dismissal of us as a diddy team admirable then?

Beefster
28-12-2012, 07:20 AM
I hate über-fan debates. Some folk seem to like categorising Hibs supporters though.

matty_f
28-12-2012, 08:45 AM
I hate über-fan debates. Some folk seem to like categorising Hibs supporters though.

Are you not just doing that there? :greengrin

Mikey
28-12-2012, 09:00 AM
Where do we go after January? What's the plan? I seen no plan for the second half against Motherwell or yesterday at all yet some think we're going places just now? There is no evidence all all. None.

You posted this at 1:31am.......

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?253461-Liam-Craig-pre-contract

.....yet at 2:09am you can't see a plan.

Ray_
28-12-2012, 09:08 AM
Fans maybe, but not supporters.

How on earth do you know they are not supporting the club? I haven't been in a year but I've still spent money at the club and it is total arrogance to suggest that people who had for decades spent fortunes on their club can no longer be called supporters, what about late fans, do you want regular cash from their estate, for them to be remembered as hibs supporters?

matty_f
28-12-2012, 09:13 AM
How on earth do you know they are not supporting the club? I haven't been in a year but I've still spent money at the club and it is total arrogance to suggest that people who had for decades spent fortunes on their club can no longer be called supporters, what about late fans, do you want regular cash from their estate, for them to be remembered as hibs supporters?

What an idiotic suggestion and a total jump from what was said.

I've already acknowledged that it's a generalisation and that there are exceptions but it was you who was pushing for a 'label' for them so dinnae greet when you get an answer. :rolleyes:

Ray_
28-12-2012, 09:25 AM
Everyone is allowed an opinion, but if you dont go to the games that opinion is somewhat diluted in my opinion.

Especially when we have been so bad recently, and could do with more through the gates to help improve the team, a team that has improved.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I suppose Ray will be along in a minute to tell me just how good eggs were years ago, and the chickens were much tastier too?

But they were Gary, you mean to say that you didn't know that? Taste buds diminish over the years, so it goes without saying that for people of our vintage, chicken, eggs and most of the other edible things you care to mention, tasted better for us in yesteryear.

As for your opinion, its about as worthless to me as mine is to you, so we won't bother going there.

Ray_
28-12-2012, 09:41 AM
What an idiotic suggestion and a total jump from what was said.

I've already acknowledged that it's a generalisation and that there are exceptions but it was you who was pushing for a 'label' for them so dinnae greet when you get an answer. :rolleyes:

Its no jump whatsoever, "stayaways are fans not supporters", therefore you are suggesting that they pay nothing in to Hibs, what are you basing that generalisation on?

We have also had enough people on here who have stated that they have held season tickets for ex amount of years, but no longer go because of a variety of reasons, but mainly because it is dull, but I don't recall one that has come on and said "I've stopped going now, but I really wasn't a supporter anyway", so what was that generlisation based on? And unless you have anything tangible to show otherwise, it is nothing but pure arrogance to make such generlisations!

Golden Bear
28-12-2012, 09:43 AM
Our opinion is of no interest, but you (Hibs) still want our money??

My feedback is simple. For a long time now, win lose or draw the "entertainment" on show (from both teams) has been dire, and for the handsome fee of £23 odd a go, thanks but no thanks.

I had a season ticket for 8 years but haven't had one since the new stand was built or been to a game this season. For cup final tickets me and my mates split the cost of two season ticket renewals between the 4 of us. The two who were using it were doing so because they live on Easter Road, but even they have stopped going because it is dire to watch. We can't give our season ticket away most weeks now, even when we were joint top.

Well said Frank.

I've still been attending matches on a regular basis but I have increasing misgivings that even if he had additional resources at his disposal, the current Manager would not be able to produce an entertaining team.

As things stand, the midfield consists of territorial crabs whose territory certainly doesn't include the opposition half of the pitch. Our full backs are not encouraged to overlap, there is little off the ball movement, and it's sad to see that one of the few flair players we have (Paul Cairney) has lost his appetite for taking players on.

Ok we have suffered injuries but so has every team in the league. I think the truth is that other Managers have sussed our "system" and so far there are no signs of things changing or indeed an improvement.

cabbageandribs1875
28-12-2012, 09:49 AM
I hate über-fan debates. Some folk seem to like categorising Hibs supporters though.




makes me cringe :agree:

lord bunberry
28-12-2012, 10:22 AM
Well said Frank.

I've still been attending matches on a regular basis but I have increasing misgivings that even if he had additional resources at his disposal, the current Manager would not be able to produce an entertaining team.

As things stand, the midfield consists of territorial crabs whose territory certainly doesn't include the opposition half of the pitch. Our full backs are not encouraged to overlap, there is little off the ball movement, and it's sad to see that one of the few flair players we have (Paul Cairney) has lost his appetite for taking players on.

Ok we have suffered injuries but so has every team in the league. I think the truth is that other Managers have sussed our "system" and so far there are no signs of things changing or indeed an improvement.

Im not understanding this argument that other managers have sussed our system or that we've been somehow found out. If you take the last 4 home games we had aberdeen who we played of the park but unfairly lost we then played hearts and we won a poor but very tight game next up was motherwell who we were beating 2-0 before blowing it then we had ross county at the weekend who came and sat in and scored a very fortunate winner. Im not saying we have been great in these games or that i think the manager hasn't made mistakes but i don't see how we have been found out or our system in anyway sussed out

Wellbankhibby
28-12-2012, 10:30 AM
I had a ST for years up till 2007. Gave up for family reasons that i have posted about in the past. The thing is once you lose the habit of going every week and that £30/£40/£50 per week is used elsewhere it makes it difficult to get the habit back again. I have only been to two home matches this season and am going to tynie on 3rd. I guess i am a stayaway but i'm willing to bet there are hundreds, if not thousands, who are the same as me they have just lost the habit. Especially out of towners like myself
I still love going to watch Hibs and honestly the result doesn't even matter that much to me now. I was at thw motherwell game snd thought it was a decent game that anyone bar Hibs fans would have really enjoyed. I had a good day with old friends, had a few beers and saw Hibs play ok. Took my son as well and total cost for the day was about £40 and that was without the admission fee. It is an expensive habit and one that once broken is not easily picked up again.

Exactly my sentiments, I live near Dundee and the cost is just too much. When you count travel food and drink and the match its far too expensive. I too Love to watch Hibs and yes I get Peed off sometimes the way they play. There was a time when I was a ST Holder and I forced myself to go. Im afraid the product is not good enough just now. I have to say that some progress has been made this season but I can see the slippery slope on the horizon again. Im afraid as much as I love the Hibees the Cup Final Sickened me. I will ALWAYS Love the Hibs but common sense has to prevail. Get a better team on the park thats going to Entertain us or bring the cost of the games down.

blackpoolhibs
28-12-2012, 10:30 AM
But they were Gary, you mean to say that you didn't know that? Taste buds diminish over the years, so it goes without saying that for people of our vintage, chicken, eggs and most of the other edible things you care to mention, tasted better for us in yesteryear.

As for your opinion, its about as worthless to me as mine is to you, so we won't bother going there.

With all due respect, i am roughly the same age as you and apart from the tornadoes 3 years at best, and Mowbrays couple of seasons. Add on a couple of Millers years at most, this succulent chicken we enjoyed previously is once every hayleys comet sighting.

McLeish put us so much in debt to get to a cup final, it nearly finished us, and all that without laying one brick.

Our club is in a much better state now than at any time in my lifetime of watching the team. The worlds changed, and we will never again make European semi finals, but we are in a position now to capitalise in our own league.

There is still no answer about which clubs are packing them in these days, you say its because of what they are watching, i say its because price and more choice these days.

Hibs will go forward, we will get better, and i will be there to see it.

Mikey
28-12-2012, 11:12 AM
It's seems that "entertainment" is the new reason not to go.


We wanted a better manager - got one.

We wanted better players - got them.

We wanted players who look like they give a **** - got them.

We wanted a more competitive league - got it.

We wanted to be higher up that league - we're 4th, and have been 1st.

We wanted those considered to be dead wood in the boardroom removed - they're gone.

We wanted the board to spend money the club doesn't have on players - the £0.9m loss suggests that that happened.


You'll get entertainment when those of us who bother their arse to go to games have paid for it.

marinello59
28-12-2012, 11:18 AM
It's seems that "entertainment" is the new reason not to go.


We wanted a better manager - got one.

We wanted better players - got them.

We wanted players who look like they give a **** - got them.

We wanted a more competitive league - got it.

We wanted to be higher up that league - we're 4th, and have been 1st.

We wanted those considered to be dead wood in the boardroom removed - they're gone.

We wanted the board to spend money the club doesn't have on players - the £0.9m loss suggests that that happened.


You'll get entertainment when those of us who bother their arse to go to games have paid for it.

You forgot to add in our over riding concern to see sporting integrity maintained by booting Sevco in to the 3rd division. We got that as well.

marinello59
28-12-2012, 11:20 AM
Exactly my sentiments, I live near Dundee and the cost is just too much. When you count travel food and drink and the match its far too expensive. I too Love to watch Hibs and yes I get Peed off sometimes the way they play. There was a time when I was a ST Holder and I forced myself to go. Im afraid the product is not good enough just now. I have to say that some progress has been made this season but I can see the slippery slope on the horizon again. Im afraid as much as I love the Hibees the Cup Final Sickened me. I will ALWAYS Love the Hibs but common sense has to prevail. Get a better team on the park thats going to Entertain us or bring the cost of the games down.

I don't think you can blame Hibs or Scottish football for your location. It really has **** all relevance. :confused:

Sudds_1
28-12-2012, 11:21 AM
No, remember Matt, its fault of the stayaway's and they are not fans, are they?

So..........tell me Ray. What IS your plan for recovery. As a Hibs fan that is.

Baldy Foghorn
28-12-2012, 11:28 AM
It's not an Uberfan debate, but seriously how can people who don't attend, moan at the happenings at Easter Road??:confused:

Baldy Foghorn
28-12-2012, 11:31 AM
It's seems that "entertainment" is the new reason not to go.


We wanted a better manager - got one.

We wanted better players - got them.

We wanted players who look like they give a **** - got them.

We wanted a more competitive league - got it.

We wanted to be higher up that league - we're 4th, and have been 1st.

We wanted those considered to be dead wood in the boardroom removed - they're gone.

We wanted the board to spend money the club doesn't have on players - the £0.9m loss suggests that that happened.


You'll get entertainment when those of us who bother their arse to go to games have paid for it.

:agree::agree:

If people claim to love Hibs, I can't understand for the life of me, why they won't attend....I must be a thicko, as I thought loving your club was unconditional.........

WheresTheBevvy?
28-12-2012, 11:34 AM
the only way Hibs will get more punters through the door is to
1. lower the price of pay at the gate
2. lower the price of season tickets
3. improve the quality of the food on offer.
4. the bored need to stop taking £350,000 odd as a wage
5. think about the fans before anything else

yes it wont all happen but its not hard to put in place one or two of these ideas, it wont make 1000's turn up but it could be the stat of something different

cheaper tickets might mean more away fans from the other teams and more home fans- more money
making season tickets cheaper will help those fans who cant afford to get one every year.

E.g. introduce more price plans U10, 15-18 year olds Student ST, 18-21 ST then youre adult tickets.
just a few ideas that quite easily be put in place next season

Hiber-nation
28-12-2012, 11:37 AM
It's seems that "entertainment" is the new reason not to go.


We wanted a better manager - got one.

We wanted better players - got them.

We wanted players who look like they give a **** - got them.

We wanted a more competitive league - got it.

We wanted to be higher up that league - we're 4th, and have been 1st.

We wanted those considered to be dead wood in the boardroom removed - they're gone.

We wanted the board to spend money the club doesn't have on players - the £0.9m loss suggests that that happened.


You'll get entertainment when those of us who bother their arse to go to games have paid for it.

I'm speaking on behalf of others here but the non-attenders now are potentially seeing the standard Hibs trait of freefall at this time of year and I don't blame them one bit. Different people have different reasons for attending Hibs games - some for the sheer love of the club, some out of habit/meeting their mates, some because they have nowt better to do and some who want to see a winning/entertaining Hibs team.

Obviously the latter group are the problem and they will only turn up in numbers with the current pricing structure if the team are fulfilling their criteria....and of course they're not!

wookie70
28-12-2012, 11:38 AM
Excitement and entertainment are what football is all about. You can actually get both and still finish in the bottom 6. Enjoyment of football is all wrapped up in the atmosphere, experience and performance and is not just about the result. I must have had 20 season tickets over the years but fell out of the habit when mates stopped going and kids arrived. The kids are older and we now have half season tickets having attended quite a few games earlier this year as walk up fans.

The Ross County game is a good example of why the so called stayaways don't return. Looking at the ages of some of the lapsed fans I suspect the may have had more years watching Hibs than some of the younger guys who are just starting out have had years on the planet. They have made their investments many times and are entitled to an opinion in my view. We are a club and should be inclusive rather than seperatist. The 40 somethings usually have lots of priorities in terms of expenditure and responsibilities to partners and children. It will be Hibs that make these fans come back not the otehr way round. The club has to be more dynamic both in terms of the way they play and the way they get bums on seats.

Walking into the ground on Wednesday there was a distinct lack of atmosphere(I was in the FF lower though). A 20K stadium is madness as far as I am concerned and I think this is one of our major issues. Half full stadiums are demorilising for fans and players and you start off immediately on the back foot before a ball is kicked. The way the team was set up to play was also poor against County. There was no real effort to dominate the game and we played in a very solid formation lacking any kind of drive or creativity. There is no real point blaming the Manager at this relatively early stage but he does have to start working out a way of getting some more flair into our play.

Having been someone who can get on at players (I come from the Tortolano, Brian Hamilton era) I have decided to be as positive as I can. The crowd on Wednesday amazed me. I thought we actually started to try and pass the ball a wee bit when we went behind and it looked like we were actually starting to play a bit. I know it was a bit side to side but aty least we were keeping the ball and allowing players to get in positions. The crowd at this point though seemed to want the ball forward at the first opportunity. Something most had been moaning about most of the game. As a support we really do heap the pressure on players and there were times they looked clueless and devoid of any sort of plan.

I am rambling a bit but that is because there are no easy answers to this. There has to be a plan from the board to get bums on seats. Other teams are showing they can put a decent product on the park with far less money than we have so VALUE is the key. I would rather we lowered the price of admission and had a stadium full of passion and atmosphere and players who may be paid slightly less. It won't necessarlily mean they are any worse. Players Agents are so clued up now that we pay over the odds because we have the 3rd biggest budget. A lower budget might not make a huge difference but fuller stands would make a difference to the experience. Pat also has to start planning on changing the Team into one that plays a more attractive style. We are far too rigid in our formation and way too safe in our ambitions.

The start of the year saw us coming together as a club and Pat should get some of the credit for this. I feel he should continue the job he is doing but the Board really have to start thinking about getting bums on seats. Nothing wrong with asking fans to return but they would be better employed making it difficult for the fans to say no. Try to fill the ground a could of time a year with fiver tickets or deals like St Johnstone.

At the moment we are in danger of entering into the back biting ever decreasing circle situation of the last few seasons. Lets not go there. The players, manager, board and fans all have a stake in this and we all need to keep positive. The board are however the Leaders and they need to look more dynamic and show that they have plans for the future. As a season ticket holder I can now say I would be quite happy for prices to tumble so I can sit in a full stadium whether other fans got in cheaper than me is off no concern. Pat should also look at ways of getting a more entertaining team on the park. We have quite a few points in the bag over Dundee and this could be a good year to try and start finding a style of play that suits the players and fans. We need to get some foundations in as we have been starting every season on sand for a while now.

RIP
28-12-2012, 11:40 AM
I want to stay clear of the old blokes debate and the real supporter labels. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and how they choose to spend their time on a matchday. Like many, I go to see the Hibs out of love, addiction, habit - whatever. Hibs are in my blood, my family history. My grandad was born in Leith in 1875. I was named after Gordon Smith. My birthplace, my club's birthplace, my dad's favourite Hibs players are all permanetly inked on my back and etched in my memories. Me and thousands like me.

But that doesn't mean that loyal supporters like us should lie down and accept second best for our club? Whether a board member, a paid member of the management team, a football coach or a player - if they are not performing to the level we expect, we have an obligation to our club to make our feelings known. We have a duty to challenge the present incumbents to deliver real improvement. These people need to listen to our feedback, to hear our ideas, our be motivated by our energy and the passion we have for our football club.

So in challenging the manager on his tactics, on lack of fitness or fight, on capitulations to less well funded teams, we should be free to do so without being shot down. If we feel compelled to question the board and management team on strategy, on player deals or ticket packages we shouldn't be afraid to speak out. If the character of the team or the style of play delivered by the manager isn't delivering value for money we need to find a way of making these opinions known and getting answers. If supporters feel they don't have a voice - they end up giving up and walking away.

Our challenges to the present custodians aren't borne out of a lack of loyalty to the Hibs - far from it. We speak out because we love our club and want to see Hibernian FC back where it belongs.

Baldy Foghorn
28-12-2012, 11:44 AM
the only way Hibs will get more punters through the door is to
1. lower the price of pay at the gate
2. lower the price of season tickets
3. improve the quality of the food on offer.
4. the bored need to stop taking £350,000 odd as a wage
5. think about the fans before anything else

yes it wont all happen but its not hard to put in place one or two of these ideas, it wont make 1000's turn up but it could be the stat of something different

cheaper tickets might mean more away fans from the other teams and more home fans- more money
making season tickets cheaper will help those fans who cant afford to get one every year.

E.g. introduce more price plans U10, 15-18 year olds Student ST, 18-21 ST then youre adult tickets.
just a few ideas that quite easily be put in place next season

I always thought being a Club Director would be exciting

lord bunberry
28-12-2012, 11:45 AM
I'm speaking on behalf of others here but the non-attenders now are potentially seeing the standard Hibs trait of freefall at this time of year and I don't blame them one bit. Different people have different reasons for attending Hibs games - some for the sheer love of the club, some out of habit/meeting their mates, some because they have nowt better to do and some who want to see a winning/entertaining Hibs team.

Obviously the latter group are the problem and they will only turn up in numbers with the current pricing structure if the team are fulfilling their criteria....and of course they're not!

The problem with your last point is that if people don't come to games the club has less money to spend on players so we are more unlikely to meet their criteria. There is no chance in the current economic climate of us throwing money we don't have at the team so we are left rightly or wrongly with the position of us the fans having to attend matches to finance new signings. That's the position we are in right now and people can complain and not attend matches but they are only hurting the club

Sudds_1
28-12-2012, 11:46 AM
:agree::agree:

If people claim to love Hibs, I can't understand for the life of me, why they won't attend....I must be a thicko, as I thought loving your club was unconditional.........

agree 100%.

And its not blind faith as some on here like to think.......

........I happen to believe that supporting a club means taking the good with the bad. For many years its been the latter. But I'm old enough to have experienced the former. Too many need/want and excuse not to attend matches. Recent years has given them the excuses they want. Its up to them whether or not they still call themselves Hibs fans or supporters - and believe that they are contributing something valuable to a club like Hibs who rely on a good fanbase of tangible support, rather than the kind that appears at cup semis or finals. Some critics on here want instant change. But none (that I've seen) have offered any kind of plan that avoids an increase in money through the gate - i.e. attending the game. They just moan about whats wrong. And that becomes tiresome...........especially from people who claim to have a love for the club.

Those people also criticise people like me for going to games .........they question my sanity. Fair enough. But they shouldn't get all argumentative if I ask the reasonable question on why they think they are Hibs fans if they continually criticise the club and don't bother going to matches (if they can). I thought that was what supporting the team you love was all about? :rolleyes:

The Modfather
28-12-2012, 11:47 AM
It's seems that "entertainment" is the new reason not to go.


We wanted a better manager - got one.

We wanted better players - got them.

We wanted players who look like they give a **** - got them.

We wanted a more competitive league - got it.

We wanted to be higher up that league - we're 4th, and have been 1st.

We wanted those considered to be dead wood in the boardroom removed - they're gone.

We wanted the board to spend money the club doesn't have on players - the £0.9m loss suggests that that happened.


You'll get entertainment when those of us who bother their arse to go to games have paid for it.

Mikey, stop being deliberately obtuse. All of the above points were felt by some, to certain degrees, under Mowbray, but win lose or draw the entertainment on show WAS value for money, hence the record breaking crowds.

The last 3 years, and the cup final, have sucked a lot of the blind loyalty out of the support IMO, it is certainly true of me. I used to blindly go home and most away from around the Williamson years. While still a Hibee, I now feel more of a customer than anything, and as such will evaluate what I am getting for my money, and more importantly, time.

Brooster
28-12-2012, 11:48 AM
It's not an Uberfan debate, but seriously how can people who don't attend, moan at the happenings at Easter Road??:confused:

My thoughts exactly mate. Too many folk who claim to be Hibbys but cant be ersed going to games gobbing off on here.

marinello59
28-12-2012, 11:52 AM
:agree::agree:

If people claim to love Hibs, I can't understand for the life of me, why they won't attend....I must be a thicko, as I thought loving your club was unconditional.........

No, loving your club means coming up with as many reasons as you can not to attend matches. Then repeating them over and over again. It doesn't matter that it is of no concern at all of anybody else why you spend your leisure time differently these days, you have to share the misery. Any hint of positivity should be repressed. The best time to show your love for the club in this way is after a defeat. After victories you should lie low for a while. :agree:

Brooster
28-12-2012, 11:54 AM
the only way Hibs will get more punters through the door is to
1. lower the price of pay at the gate
2. lower the price of season tickets
3. improve the quality of the food on offer.
4. the bored need to stop taking £350,000 odd as a wage
5. think about the fans before anything else

yes it wont all happen but its not hard to put in place one or two of these ideas, it wont make 1000's turn up but it could be the stat of something different

cheaper tickets might mean more away fans from the other teams and more home fans- more money
making season tickets cheaper will help those fans who cant afford to get one every year.

E.g. introduce more price plans U10, 15-18 year olds Student ST, 18-21 ST then youre adult tickets.
just a few ideas that quite easily be put in place next season

Does the standard of food at Easter Road really stop folk going to games?!?!? If so I really am out of touch regarding the needs of the modern day fan.

ps - I think the grub at Easter Road is very decent indeed.

Lucius Apuleius
28-12-2012, 11:55 AM
the only way Hibs will get more punters through the door is to
1. lower the price of pay at the gate
2. lower the price of season tickets
3. improve the quality of the food on offer.
4. the bored need to stop taking £350,000 odd as a wage
5. think about the fans before anything else

yes it wont all happen but its not hard to put in place one or two of these ideas, it wont make 1000's turn up but it could be the stat of something different

cheaper tickets might mean more away fans from the other teams and more home fans- more money
making season tickets cheaper will help those fans who cant afford to get one every year.

E.g. introduce more price plans U10, 15-18 year olds Student ST, 18-21 ST then youre adult tickets.
just a few ideas that quite easily be put in place next season

So now we are paying the supporters to go? :wink:

Bottom line is people will always make excuses. That is their perogative. I won't bother repeating the ones we have had recently, Mikey and M59 cover them above. Too many people are still living off the "woe is feckn me" attitude from the cup final. Said it before and no doubt I will say it again. I would rather get to a cup final and get horsed than not get there at all. Too few of them my lifetime.
I passed the stage of caring if other people go and watch Hibs years ago. As I said, their choice and I respsect that but I am afraid I am firmly in the "shut the **** up about how bad we are" brigade. I very rarely comment on an actual match or how they are playing simply because I am not there to see how they are playing. I have enjoyed every game I have been to this season a helluva lot more than I did last season and if people cannot see the improvements then maybe Specsavers should be their next port of call.
Of course I want Hibs to be the best team in Scotland and everybody enthusing how fantastic the football we are playing is. Of course I would like to see them in Europe every year. Of course I would like to see us winning trophies. History tells us something. It won't happen! We are not a big team. We are Hibs. We have no more right to beat teams below us as either of the OF have of beating us.

Ray_
28-12-2012, 12:05 PM
With all due respect, i am roughly the same age as you and apart from the tornadoes 3 years at best, and Mowbrays couple of seasons. Add on a couple of Millers years at most, this succulent chicken we enjoyed previously is once every hayleys comet sighting.

McLeish put us so much in debt to get to a cup final, it nearly finished us, and all that without laying one brick.

Our club is in a much better state now than at any time in my lifetime of watching the team. The worlds changed, and we will never again make European semi finals, but we are in a position now to capitalise in our own league.

There is still no answer about which clubs are packing them in these days, you say its because of what they are watching, i say its because price and more choice these days.

Hibs will go forward, we will get better, and i will be there to see it.

Gary, I really was talking about food.

I don't agree that it was McLeish that put us in debt, no more then I believe it was Latapy & Sauzee, we must have made about 4M in selling players from McLeish's era. Jim Duffy, now that would be different altogether, Mcleish was carrying a squad of around 50-60 players, a lot of them expensive signings on good contracts from Duffy's era & none of them contributing hee haw to the team.

With regard to the past, when I started watching football, which was before the TT's, you would almost always be entertained and you kept on going.

With all due respect to the other posts going on at the moment, it has always been about the management of the club [not team manager] and the entertainment & I have been consistent with that over the last four years, eventually I just had enough, it is just far too much effort getting myself up the road to watch the drab and low quality fare that has recently been on offer.

The club could do a lot more in enticing the fans back, but it would be wasted until it gets sorted out on the park. It is pure and utter fantasy to suggest that any significant numbers would return, without the team being better, no matter how much it is wished for by folk on here, therefore it would be better to aim their marketing in another direction, until the team entices back the fans.

I agree that price and choice is in the equation & what that also means is the club has to do an awful lot better to compete & that is the job of those who are supposed to be running the club, I said in an earlier post that it is far easier to spend money than earn it, that's why I could never understand this great love in with Petrie, the board's performance continuously misses its prime target.

Baldy Foghorn
28-12-2012, 12:10 PM
No, loving your club means coming up with as many reasons as you can not to attend matches. Then repeating them over and over again. It doesn't matter that it is of no concern at all of anybody else why you spend your leisure time differently these days, you have to share the misery. Any hint of positivity should be repressed. The best time to show your love for the club in this way is after a defeat. After victories you should lie low for a while. :agree:

That also means that those that do attend, don't love the Club, as they are perpetuating the problem, by being prepared to watch and pay for the priviledge, a sub-standard product, and eating rubbery pizzas, and brick like pies....:greengrin

basehibby
28-12-2012, 12:22 PM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

I appreciate you are no doubt a passionate Hibee - but that is a STUPID idea along the same lines as bombing for peace and ******ing for virginity.

smurf
28-12-2012, 12:33 PM
The stayaways will always be stayaways. The reasons/excuses will change but it seems to me that their minds have been made up and nothing the players, managers, or board members say or do will change that.

The 'Stayaways' were brought back 2004-2009. It can happen again.

WhileTheChief..
28-12-2012, 12:35 PM
It's got nothing to do with cost. Hibs could say its free admission for the rest of the season and we still wouldn't get 11k + crowds.

The football just isn't as important to a lot of people now as it used to be.

My dad is in his 70s and rarely goes to ER now, maybe once or twice a season. He's been a Hibby all his life though so yeah, he went to the cup final, and yet some people on here are trying to say that he's not entitled to go to the big games because he doesn't go all the time??? That's nonsence.

He's as much a Hibby as the 19 year old that currently goes home and away.

I also think it's pretty unfair to suggest that unless you were at the game you can't comment on it. If you follow that logic then none of us should ever be discussing Champions League or EPL games! You didn't need to go to the QofS game to know it was a shocker of a result!

I've been to 4 games this season. No excuses for not going to the other ones, I just didn't fancy it. No crime there and I'm not blaming Hibs, the players, Fenlon, the pies, the cost, Petrie, the weather or anything else. It was simply my choice!

blackpoolhibs
28-12-2012, 12:49 PM
Gary, I really was talking about food.

I don't agree that it was McLeish that put us in debt, no more then I believe it was Latapy & Sauzee, we must have made about 4M in selling players from McLeish's era. Jim Duffy, now that would be different altogether, Mcleish was carrying a squad of around 50-60 players, a lot of them expensive signings on good contracts from Duffy's era & none of them contributing hee haw to the team.

With regard to the past, when I started watching football, which was before the TT's, you would almost always be entertained and you kept on going.

With all due respect to the other posts going on at the moment, it has always been about the management of the club [not team manager] and the entertainment & I have been consistent with that over the last four years, eventually I just had enough, it is just far too much effort getting myself up the road to watch the drab and low quality fare that has recently been on offer.

The club could do a lot more in enticing the fans back, but it would be wasted until it gets sorted out on the park. It is pure and utter fantasy to suggest that any significant numbers would return, without the team being better, no matter how much it is wished for by folk on here, therefore it would be better to aim their marketing in another direction, until the team entices back the fans.

I agree that price and choice is in the equation & what that also means is the club has to do an awful lot better to compete & that is the job of those who are supposed to be running the club, I said in an earlier post that it is far easier to spend money than earn it, that's why I could never understand this great love in with Petrie, the board's performance continuously misses its prime target.

You dont think its worth the hassle to go to easter road anymore, but still constantly find the time to tell us who do go just how bad it is , even when i and others think its been much better and see the club going in the right direction at last. :rolleyes:

Judas Iscariot
28-12-2012, 12:52 PM
It's got nothing to do with cost. Hibs could say its free admission for the rest of the season and we still wouldn't get 11k + crowds.

The football just isn't as important to a lot of people now as it used to be.

My dad is in his 70s and rarely goes to ER now, maybe once or twice a season. He's been a Hibby all his life though so yeah, he went to the cup final, and yet some people on here are trying to say that he's not entitled to go to the big games because he doesn't go all the time??? That's nonsence.

He's as much a Hibby as the 19 year old that currently goes home and away.

I also think it's pretty unfair to suggest that unless you were at the game you can't comment on it. If you follow that logic then none of us should ever be discussing Champions League or EPL games! You didn't need to go to the QofS game to know it was a shocker of a result!

I've been to 4 games this season. No excuses for not going to the other ones, I just didn't fancy it. No crime there and I'm not blaming Hibs, the players, Fenlon, the pies, the cost, Petrie, the weather or anything else. It was simply my choice!

I think you're wrong, it's massively to do with cost..

£28 for tomorrows game, chuck in travel cost and maybe a pie & bovril on top of that and you're talking £35 easy..

A lot of money for what's on offer!

The whole of Scottish football needs a radical shake up in terms of ticket pricing, the product, experience, cost of eating etc is so inflated compared to the quality...

It's worked in Germany, crowds there are huge...

It's not working here, the SPL is on it's knees crowds wise, slash the prices get the fans in, more fans will create a better atmosphere and in turn will make the experience better

blackpoolhibs
28-12-2012, 12:57 PM
I think you're wrong, it's massively to do with cost..

£28 for tomorrows game, chuck in travel cost and maybe a pie & bovril on top of that and you're talking £35 easy..

A lot of money for what's on offer!

The whole of Scottish football needs a radical shake up in terms of ticket pricing, the product, experience, cost of eating etc is so inflated compared to the quality...

It's worked in Germany, crowds there are huge...

It's not working here, the SPL is on it's knees crowds wise, slash the prices get the fans in, more fans will create a better atmosphere and in turn will make the experience better

I agree 100%, cost is a huge factor for a lot of folk these day.

Sir David Gray
28-12-2012, 01:43 PM
I think you're wrong, it's massively to do with cost..

£28 for tomorrows game, chuck in travel cost and maybe a pie & bovril on top of that and you're talking £35 easy..

A lot of money for what's on offer!

The whole of Scottish football needs a radical shake up in terms of ticket pricing, the product, experience, cost of eating etc is so inflated compared to the quality...

It's worked in Germany, crowds there are huge...

It's not working here, the SPL is on it's knees crowds wise, slash the prices get the fans in, more fans will create a better atmosphere and in turn will make the experience better

Germany has a population of more than 80 million people, Scotland has a population of just over 5 million!

In the last round of fixtures in the German Bundesliga, they had a total attendance at all matches of 351,603 people, which is 0.43% of the German population. In the Boxing Day fixtures in the SPL, there were a total of 39,081 people who attended the six matches, which is 0.74% of the Scottish population.

And that was without a home game for Celtic, which would have further improved the statistics in Scotland's favour.

For Germany to get the same percentage of population at their games as Scotland manages, they would need to get an extra 250,000 people through the gates across 9 matches - almost an extra 30,000 people per match.

When you look at it like that, we don't do too badly!

WhileTheChief..
28-12-2012, 01:48 PM
So if for example tickets were say £15, would that realistically add an another 3 or 4k to the crowd? I just don't see it

ST holders can take a mate for free to the Celtic game right? That should mean what, an extra 6 or 7k folk that can get in for free. I doubt very much if we will have 15k home fans for the game.

I might be wrong but i just don't think that price is a deciding factor for as many as is suggested on here. It's one of the excuses ;)

Golden Bear
28-12-2012, 01:50 PM
So if for example tickets were say £15, would that realistically add an another 3 or 4k to the crowd? I just don't see it

ST holders can take a mate for free to the Celtic game right? That should mean what, an extra 6 or 7k folk that can get in for free. I doubt very much if we will have 15k home fans for the game.

I might be wrong but i just don't think that price is a deciding factor for as many as is suggested on here. It's one of the excuses ;)

It is a major factor imo but not so much as value for money.

matty_f
28-12-2012, 01:55 PM
The 'Stayaways' were brought back 2004-2009. It can happen again.

Hiya Smurf, hiya pal!

One thing is certain, the Hibs.net stayaways aretheeas to get back, the team just need to lose a few games and here they are!

trev the hat
28-12-2012, 02:05 PM
I agree 100%, cost is a huge factor for a lot of folk these day.

Agreed, two x £28, refreshments, transport & couple beers is best part of £100 i can't afford.

smurf
28-12-2012, 02:39 PM
Hiya Smurf, hiya pal!

One thing is certain, the Hibs.net stayaways aretheeas to get back, the team just need to lose a few games and here they are!

We have a good 8-9000 that will always support the club by attending games. Then there are another 4-5000 who appear to not need much excuse to not attend. In fairness there are maybe a high percentage of those who simply can't. However, too many of them simply do not get that it is ultimately down to us turning up that determines the player budget.

truehibernian
28-12-2012, 02:59 PM
My thoughts exactly mate. Too many folk who claim to be Hibbys but cant be ersed going to games gobbing off on here.

Mine too to a degree brooster, but it's unlike your posts to be so one sided - there are a host of reasons for Hibs supporters not attending games, some very valid, and that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on Hibs.

I had a wee debate last week with two like minded Hibs fans - we were/are all agreed that the club need to be doing a whole lot more off the field to entice fans back to the fold - not just to attend, but to get that engrained 'I'm chuffed to be a Hibs fan' feeling back. Just attending isn't enough for me - Hibs are in my blood and always will be - it's unconditional and I will attend and support. But there are way too many distractions out there for young folk these days to place football and games on the back burner - so the club need to engage and get out into the community more.

Take X Factor - a show I can't stand - however when there is a new 'starlet' on the scene, regardless of talent it has to be said, they are paraded in schools, shopping centres, community centres, local radio, media, etc etc - I did some work recently for schools in Edinburgh - during conversation I asked if footballers ever visited or turned up for events - not one school said Hibs had players visiting their school. For me that is utterly shocking - you can't always on the one hand issue statements on websites, yet the core fanbase that you are trying to entice (i.e young people, ethnic communities, local businesses) don't ever see players or manager in their setting or working environment.

Over the years I have lived next to an ex Hibs player and an ex Aberdeen player - from the 80's era. Both went to local schools back then, and I was lucky enough to get signed shirts, footballs used in games, etc etc - I literally fell in love with football and Hibs because of this, and I mean literally. Hence every day I read and post on hibs.net as a now older, probably not wiser, family man - I still get the same buzz as I walk into Easter Road stadium now as I did back then - but these players gave me that wee bit of 'closeness' to the club - a very little thing has lasted with me for a lifetime - these two guys showing me some attention.

Hibs simply need to do more, on and off the park. The market and the SPL is cut-throat - we need to be as dynamic and innovative now, as we were back in the days of floodlights, sponsorship, being the first in Europe etc - Rod has us now plodding along as one paced and as one dimensional as the team.

Sorry to come across as so watery eyed and romantic about it - but I want Hibs players to be more visible in the community during their downtime. All this working together stuff seems to be very one way in my opinion - in other words, asking fans for money. That is not a good marketing tool in any business.

Hiber-nation
28-12-2012, 03:09 PM
The problem with your last point is that if people don't come to games the club has less money to spend on players so we are more unlikely to meet their criteria. There is no chance in the current economic climate of us throwing money we don't have at the team so we are left rightly or wrongly with the position of us the fans having to attend matches to finance new signings. That's the position we are in right now and people can complain and not attend matches but they are only hurting the club

I know....and I'm not saying I agree with the non-attenders but I definitely understand why they aren't coming along. Its going to take far more than a few pleading e-mails from the Board to change folks' minds.

Hiber-nation
28-12-2012, 03:10 PM
Hibs simply need to do more, on and off the park. The market and the SPL is cut-throat - we need to be as dynamic and innovative now, as we were back in the days of floodlights, sponsorship, being the first in Europe etc - Rod has us now plodding along as one paced and as one dimensional as the team.

Sorry to come across as so watery eyed and romantic about it - but I want Hibs players to be more visible in the community during their downtime. All this working together stuff seems to be very one way in my opinion - in other words, asking fans for money. That is not a good marketing tool in any business.

Nothing watery eyed about it -just common sense. :top marks

Twa Cairpets
28-12-2012, 03:12 PM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

Not that beloved then if you're not going back over what you see as a lack of commercial acumen.

.Sean.
28-12-2012, 03:17 PM
It's seems that "entertainment" is the new reason not to go.


We wanted a better manager - got one.

We wanted better players - got them.

We wanted players who look like they give a **** - got them.

We wanted a more competitive league - got it.

We wanted to be higher up that league - we're 4th, and have been 1st.

We wanted those considered to be dead wood in the boardroom removed - they're gone.

We wanted the board to spend money the club doesn't have on players - the £0.9m loss suggests that that happened.


You'll get entertainment when those of us who bother their arse to go to games have paid for it.

:top marks



This board is full of folk who don't bother their ***** even going spouting pish and moaning. Time they put their money where their mouths are and contribute like the rest of us.

jdships
28-12-2012, 03:45 PM
:top marks



This board is full of folk who don't bother their ***** even going spouting pish and moaning. Time they put their money where their mouths are and contribute like the rest of us.

That's it then ?
Done and dusted !!!!!!!!!
WOW !!
:rolleyes:
I ' have put my money where my mouth is ' ( as you put it ) for many many years and have now decided enough is enough .
Everybody has the right to spend their money on whatever and as they choose so please,please don't try and take the moral high ground .
You have the right to express your opinion just as we who have given up equally have but don't think this makes your opinion correct .

:flag:

blackpoolhibs
28-12-2012, 04:18 PM
That's it then ?
Done and dusted !!!!!!!!!
WOW !!
:rolleyes:
I ' have put my money where my mouth is ' ( as you put it ) for many many years and have now decided enough is enough .
Everybody has the right to spend their money on whatever and as they choose so please,please don't try and take the moral high ground .
You have the right to express your opinion just as we who have given up equally have but don't think this makes your opinion correct .

:flag:

Each and every person who wants to go will go, and those who wont, wont. You have decided enough is enough, i understand that i even sympathise.

What you dont do though, is spend every post on here, abusing the teams efforts this season. You dont hark back to better times, even though they were few and far between.

Thats what really get on my tits about those who dont bother their erses going to games now, Hibs bashing has become an olympic sport, and we have some gold medalists.

Alfred E Newman
28-12-2012, 04:30 PM
Mine too to a degree brooster, but it's unlike your posts to be so one sided - there are a host of reasons for Hibs supporters not attending games, some very valid, and that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on Hibs.

I had a wee debate last week with two like minded Hibs fans - we were/are all agreed that the club need to be doing a whole lot more off the field to entice fans back to the fold - not just to attend, but to get that engrained 'I'm chuffed to be a Hibs fan' feeling back. Just attending isn't enough for me - Hibs are in my blood and always will be - it's unconditional and I will attend and support. But there are way too many distractions out there for young folk these days to place football and games on the back burner - so the club need to engage and get out into the community more.

Take X Factor - a show I can't stand - however when there is a new 'starlet' on the scene, regardless of talent it has to be said, they are paraded in schools, shopping centres, community centres, local radio, media, etc etc - I did some work recently for schools in Edinburgh - during conversation I asked if footballers ever visited or turned up for events - not one school said Hibs had players visiting their school. For me that is utterly shocking - you can't always on the one hand issue statements on websites, yet the core fanbase that you are trying to entice (i.e young people, ethnic communities, local businesses) don't ever see players or manager in their setting or working environment.

Over the years I have lived next to an ex Hibs player and an ex Aberdeen player - from the 80's era. Both went to local schoosayls back then, and I was lucky enough to get signed shirts, footballs used in games, etc etc - I literally fell in love with football and Hibs because of this, and I mean literally. Hence every day I read and post on hibs.net as a now older, probably not wiser, family man - I still get the same buzz as I walk into Easter Road stadium now as I did back then - but these players gave me that wee bit of 'closeness' to the club - a very little thing has lasted with me for a lifetime - these two guys showing me some attention.

Hibs simply need to do more, on and off the park. The market and the SPL is cut-throat - we need to be as dynamic and innovative now, as we were back in the days of floodlights, sponsorship, being the first in Europe etc - Rod has us now plodding along as one paced and as one dimensional as the team.

Sorry to come across as so watery eyed and romantic about it - but I want Hibs players to be more visible in the community during their downtime. All this working together stuff seems to be very one way in my opinion - in other words, asking fans for money. That is not a good marketing tool in any business.

A lot of what you say would be helped with a better PR. Take todays paper for example, in my sport section there were articles about 11 of the 12 Premier clubs. Guess who was missing. Even the week after the Hearts cup tie there was little or nothing. Our chums across the city are past masters at the art of spin and this is reflected in their higher attendances. A lot if the negativity amongst the Hibs fans comes from the lack of encouragement from the club. Petrie coming out with his " buy more season tickets or else" stuff immediately after the Hearts game when we were all on a high was poor timing. The fact that we were then hammered by Inverness then made the future look even bleaker.

marinello59
28-12-2012, 04:43 PM
A lot of what you say would be helped with a better PR. Take todays paper for example, in my sport section there were articles about 11 of the 12 Premier clubs. Guess who was missing. Even the week after the Hearts cup tie there was little or nothing. Our chums across the city are past masters at the art of spin and this is reflected in their higher attendances. A lot if the negativity amongst the Hibs fans comes from the lack of encouragement from the club. Petrie coming out with his " buy more season tickets or else" stuff immediately after the Hearts game when we were all on a high was poor timing. The fact that we were then hammered by Inverness then made the future look even bleaker.

A lot of the negativity comes from putting a negative spin on everything the club tries to do....as you have just done there. Absolutely everything the club says in a statement ends up getting slaughtered on here. The club does do a lot of positive things and despite them being mentioned frequently on here too many ignore them. You must be reading the wrong paper by the way, in the ones I read Hibs get the same coverage as everybody else. (Outside of the Old Firm of course.)

Famous5forever
28-12-2012, 05:00 PM
A lot of what you say would be helped with a better PR. Take todays paper for example, in my sport section there were articles about 11 of the 12 Premier clubs. Guess who was missing. Even the week after the Hearts cup tie there was little or nothing. Our chums across the city are past masters at the art of spin and this is reflected in their higher attendances. A lot if the negativity amongst the Hibs fans comes from the lack of encouragement from the club. Petrie coming out with his " buy more season tickets or else" stuff immediately after the Hearts game when we were all on a high was poor timing. The fact that we were then hammered by Inverness then made the future look even bleaker.

And not much to get excited about since the Inverness defeat that will encourage the missing thousands to come back however what else can Petrie do he has been open and honest and told everyone if crowds are not increased then the budget for players costs will be slashed, the fact that crowds have went down sinse he told us tells him what ?

Then when everyone is moaning about us losing the better loanees in January window Petrie can stand up and say well its no ma fault, We are 4th in the league after our best start to the season for many years i am not a great Petrie fan but this time he is not to blame.

truehibernian
28-12-2012, 05:34 PM
And not much to get excited about since the Inverness defeat that will encourage the missing thousands to come back however what else can Petrie do he has been open and honest and told everyone if crowds are not increased then the budget for players costs will be slashed, the fact that crowds have went down sinse he told us tells him what ?

Then when everyone is moaning about us losing the better loanees in January window Petrie can stand up and say well its no ma fault, We are 4th in the league after our best start to the season for many years i am not a great Petrie fan but this time he is not to blame.

I wasn't having a go in my post aboit Petrie either, but, having praised him enough a few years back, I think Rod stands in the way of Hibs really pushing forward into the next decade - he and his colleagues have to be thanked and praised for their stewardship and developing a club that from the sidelines is way ahead of it's rivals based on infrastructure - and we have retained a decent fan base despite us disagreeing amongst ourselves on forums.

My quibble with Rod is that he has presided over 3 or 4 seasons of below mediocrity and to be frank, his style and his persona for me is a hindrance now - he is definitely not to be blamed for players not turing up for big games and not performing. That is the manager and the players' responsibilities at the end of the day - even the fans cannot really influence once beyond the white lines (albeit a positive atmosphere clearly helps).

Accountability is however very very important in today's world - football included. Sadly folk in football are never really given enough time. Pat should, and will, be given a few windows to build a team and a squad to his liking and standard. That's why we should all be patient and give him backing and time - this side this season will be up and down like a yoyo. Come summer, it gives Pat another chance to get rid of Galbraith, Kujabi, Kuqi, Sproule, a couple of young players - and it excites me knowing that Pat is really working to bring in the calibre of player we all want.

But behind the scenes, Rod has seemed to by-pass accountability - the results on and off the park have been poor the last 3 seasons. That is my reasoning for saying 'thanks Rod, but time for something new'. But you cannot ignore the good that he has done and the fact that he has been a magnificent servant/ambassador/steward of the club over the last decade. I'll always be thankful Hibs had him and no one else did.

ancient hibee
28-12-2012, 06:28 PM
Mine too to a degree brooster, but it's unlike your posts to be so one sided - there are a host of reasons for Hibs supporters not attending games, some very valid, and that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on Hibs.

I had a wee debate last week with two like minded Hibs fans - we were/are all agreed that the club need to be doing a whole lot more off the field to entice fans back to the fold - not just to attend, but to get that engrained 'I'm chuffed to be a Hibs fan' feeling back. Just attending isn't enough for me - Hibs are in my blood and always will be - it's unconditional and I will attend and support. But there are way too many distractions out there for young folk these days to place football and games on the back burner - so the club need to engage and get out into the community more.

Take X Factor - a show I can't stand - however when there is a new 'starlet' on the scene, regardless of talent it has to be said, they are paraded in schools, shopping centres, community centres, local radio, media, etc etc - I did some work recently for schools in Edinburgh - during conversation I asked if footballers ever visited or turned up for events - not one school said Hibs had players visiting their school. For me that is utterly shocking - you can't always on the one hand issue statements on websites, yet the core fanbase that you are trying to entice (i.e young people, ethnic communities, local businesses) don't ever see players or manager in their setting or working environment.

Over the years I have lived next to an ex Hibs player and an ex Aberdeen player - from the 80's era. Both went to local schools back then, and I was lucky enough to get signed shirts, footballs used in games, etc etc - I literally fell in love with football and Hibs because of this, and I mean literally. Hence every day I read and post on hibs.net as a now older, probably not wiser, family man - I still get the same buzz as I walk into Easter Road stadium now as I did back then - but these players gave me that wee bit of 'closeness' to the club - a very little thing has lasted with me for a lifetime - these two guys showing me some attention.

Hibs simply need to do more, on and off the park. The market and the SPL is cut-throat - we need to be as dynamic and innovative now, as we were back in the days of floodlights, sponsorship, being the first in Europe etc - Rod has us now plodding along as one paced and as one dimensional as the team.

Sorry to come across as so watery eyed and romantic about it - but I want Hibs players to be more visible in the community during their downtime. All this working together stuff seems to be very one way in my opinion - in other words, asking fans for money. That is not a good marketing tool in any business.


Footballers can't go to schools and mix with kids-they have to be vetted for any convictions or police info.otherwise you get the Thomson's of this world getting into contact with their targets.

BSEJVT
28-12-2012, 06:29 PM
It's seems that "entertainment" is the new reason not to go.


We wanted a better manager - got one.

We wanted better players - got them.

We wanted players who look like they give a **** - got them.

We wanted a more competitive league - got it.

We wanted to be higher up that league - we're 4th, and have been 1st.

We wanted those considered to be dead wood in the boardroom removed - they're gone.

We wanted the board to spend money the club doesn't have on players - the £0.9m loss suggests that that happened.


You'll get entertainment when those of us who bother their arse to go to games have paid for it.

Okay doke

I will bite then because I said something along the lines of lack of entertainment stopping me from going back .

I have had an allegiance to Hibs for as long as I can remember call it 45 years. ( I wont say I am a supporter, beacuse that will no doubt offend some of you!)

During that 45 years I had periods of going :

A) Every Week

B) Every Home game

C) Most weeks

D) Infrequently

E) Hardly Ever

Some of that time I went in the above patterns (which didnt run concurrently) because my dad took /didnt take me, because I played football on Saturday's, because I played competitive golf on Saturday's.

When my chidren came along and my son got to 4 years old we got season tickets and went at least every home game for 15 years, at one time taking my daughter and 4 of her pals for 3 or 4 seasons as well.

I became disenchanted with it about 3 or 4 years ago as performances dipped, and around the stopped going with my children, but carried on out of duty, loyalty, familiarity, call it what you will.

I have hardly been the last 2 years and to be honest dont miss it that much as I have taken up golf again and get more enjoyment out of that than watching Hibs at the moment.

I post on Hibs net infrequently, but since I dont read the football pages of papers any more as they are worthless use Hibs net to keep "involved" with the team, I am interested to see if my obervations regarding the team are accurate or being from a distance mistaken.

There are a number of guys who post on here whose opinions I rate and I am interested to see how they feel the team is progressing.

It wouldnt take much for me to go back but to be honest I didn't like the old miserable, angry, foul mouthed me that watching our deterioration had made me.

It seems from reading this thread that because I dont go I am not entitled to an opinion, which is what I thought Hibs net was for, but instead am obligated to listen to some people's opinions who do go which are as worthless to me as mines are no doubt to them,. Thank goodness for the ignore post function.

Doubtless the people who express that opinion will refrain from comment on anything they are not involved in from politics to world famine and all points in between? Aye right.

The current guilt trip crusade being perpetuated by some on this thread will have exactly the opposite effect to the one they intend, as if guys like me dont stay involved through this media they will in all probability be lost to the club forever.

It surely wouldnt be difficult for the tech guys here to design a board like the private members one where entry was dependant on having a season ticket/match ticket to access if certain members wanted to restrict themselves to conversing only with fellow match attending fans (I do hope thats an acceptable description for such people). I doubt it would do much for the debate or site revenue though!

IMO some of you guys need to get over yourselves and see there is more to life than Hibs and that people with allegiance to Hibs's depth of feeling / commitment to the club waxes and wanes in line with what else is going on with their lives.

I will be interested to view the continuing depth of commitment of some of the younger posters as they continue life's journey, I can absolutely guarantee you that some wont always be as fervent as they are now, when they see what life has to throw at them.

It would be good though if guys like me could continue to be accomodated, as as I say without it we are likley to be lost forever and there is always the ignore post option.

One thing is for certain the current guilt trip policy will not have any effect whatsoever on whether I go, but it may make me think, sod this what's the point I dont go every week therefore I have no right to an opinion /discussion.

truehibernian
28-12-2012, 06:35 PM
Footballers can't go to schools and mix with kids-they have to be vetted for any convictions or police info.otherwise you get the Thomson's of this world getting into contact with their targets.

I can tell you that that is nonsense - I was present at the League Cup draw this season which took place is a secondary school - 4 current SPL players were there. No checks (disclosure, PVG checks) required.

Hearts also sent one of their Polish players into a local school to engage/speak to the local kids and specifically the Polish school kids - great idea I thought and it went down a storm I heard.

Hibs Under 19 cup winning team went round schools and believe it or not a local cop shop - no checks required.

The players are visiting, not working there - huge difference when it comes to disclosure mate (hope that didn't come across as argumentative, not meant to be).

lord bunberry
28-12-2012, 06:40 PM
Okay doke

I will bite then because I said something along the lines of lack of entertainment stopping me from going back .

I have had an allegiance to Hibs for as long as I can remember call it 45 years. ( I wont say I am a supporter, beacuse that will no doubt offend some of you!)

During that 45 years I had periods of going :

A) Every Week

B) Every Home game

C) Most weeks

D) Infrequently

E) Hardly Ever

Some of that time I went in the above patterns (which which didnt run concurrently) because my dad took /didnt take me, because I played football on Saturday's, because I played competitive golf on Saturday's.

When my chidren came along and my son got to 4 we got season tickets and went at least every home game for 15 years, at one time taking my daughter and 4 of her pals for 3 or 4 seasons.

I became disenchanted will it about 3 or 4 years ago as performances dipped, when I stopped going with children, but carried on out of duty, loyalty, familiarity, call it what you will.

I have hardly been the last 2 years and to be honest dont miss it that much as I have taken up golf again and get more enjoyment out of that than watching Hibs at the moment.

I post on Hibs net infrequently, but since I dont read the football pages of papers any more as they are worthless use Hibs net to keep "involved" with the team, I am interested to see if my obervations regarding the team are accurate of being from a distance mistaken.

There are a number of guys who post on here whose opinions I rate and I am interested to see how they feel the team is progressing.

It wouldnt take much for me to go back but to be honest I did'nt like the old miserable, angry, foul mouthed me that watching our deterioration had made me.

It seems from reading this thread that because I dont go I am not entitled to an opinion,which is what I thought Hibs net was for, but instead am obligated to listen to some people's opinions who do go which are as worthless to me as mines are no doubt to them,. Thank goodness for the ignore post function.

Doubtless the people who express that opinion will refrain from comment on anything they are not involved in from politics to world famine and all points in between? Aye right.

The current guilt trip crusade being perpetuated by some on this thread will have exactly the opposite effect to the one they intend, as if guys like me dont stay involved through this media they will in all probability be lost to the club forever.

It surely wouldnt be difficult for the tech guys here to design a board like the private members one where entry was dependant on having a season ticket, match ticket to access if certain members wanted to restrict themselves to convesing only with fellow match attending fans (I do hope thats an aceptable description for such people). I doubt it would do much for the debate or site revenue though!

IMO some of you guys need to get over yourselves and see there is more to life than Hibs and that people with allegiance to Hibs's depth of feeling / commitment to the club waxes and wanes in line with what else is going on with their lives.

I will be interested to view the continuing depth of commitment of some of the younger posters as they continue life's journey, I can absiolutely guarantee you that some always wont be as fervent as they are now, when they see what life has to throw at them.


I think your slightly missing the point there are some people on here who over the last couple of weeks have been really vocal about how bad we have been without actually seeing us play. It is very easy to look at results then criticise the reality is were on a poor run at the moment but we have improved no end on what happened last season. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion but some people seem to have an agenda against the club

ancient hibee
28-12-2012, 06:41 PM
I can tell you that that is nonsense - I was present at the League Cup draw this season which took place is a secondary school - 4 current SPL players were there. No checks (disclosure, PVG checks) required.

Hearts also sent one of their Polish players into a local school to engage/speak to the local kids and specifically the Polish school kids - great idea I thought and it went down a storm I heard.

Hibs Under 19 cup winning team went round schools and believe it or not a local cop shop - no checks required.

The players are visiting, not working there - huge difference when it comes to disclosure mate (hope that didn't come across as argumentative, not meant to be).

Yeh I agree.I was thinking more of footballers going not on a one off basis but for example to help with coaching etc.Nowadays a golf pro is not allowed to touch a junior player to get the hands or body in the right position and has to be vetted before being allowed to coach of course.

smurf
28-12-2012, 06:46 PM
Okay doke

I will bite then because I said something along the lines of lack of entertainment stopping me from going back .

I have had an allegiance to Hibs for as long as I can remember call it 45 years. ( I wont say I am a supporter, beacuse that will no doubt offend some of you!)

During that 45 years I had periods of going :

A) Every Week

B) Every Home game

C) Most weeks

D) Infrequently

E) Hardly Ever

Some of that time I went in the above patterns (which didnt run concurrently) because my dad took /didnt take me, because I played football on Saturday's, because I played competitive golf on Saturday's.

When my chidren came along and my son got to 4 years old we got season tickets and went at least every home game for 15 years, at one time taking my daughter and 4 of her pals for 3 or 4 seasons as well.

I became disenchanted with it about 3 or 4 years ago as performances dipped, and around the stopped going with my children, but carried on out of duty, loyalty, familiarity, call it what you will.

I have hardly been the last 2 years and to be honest dont miss it that much as I have taken up golf again and get more enjoyment out of that than watching Hibs at the moment.

I post on Hibs net infrequently, but since I dont read the football pages of papers any more as they are worthless use Hibs net to keep "involved" with the team, I am interested to see if my obervations regarding the team are accurate or being from a distance mistaken.

There are a number of guys who post on here whose opinions I rate and I am interested to see how they feel the team is progressing.

It wouldnt take much for me to go back but to be honest I didn't like the old miserable, angry, foul mouthed me that watching our deterioration had made me.

It seems from reading this thread that because I dont go I am not entitled to an opinion, which is what I thought Hibs net was for, but instead am obligated to listen to some people's opinions who do go which are as worthless to me as mines are no doubt to them,. Thank goodness for the ignore post function.

Doubtless the people who express that opinion will refrain from comment on anything they are not involved in from politics to world famine and all points in between? Aye right.

The current guilt trip crusade being perpetuated by some on this thread will have exactly the opposite effect to the one they intend, as if guys like me dont stay involved through this media they will in all probability be lost to the club forever.

It surely wouldnt be difficult for the tech guys here to design a board like the private members one where entry was dependant on having a season ticket/match ticket to access if certain members wanted to restrict themselves to conversing only with fellow match attending fans (I do hope thats an acceptable description for such people). I doubt it would do much for the debate or site revenue though!

IMO some of you guys need to get over yourselves and see there is more to life than Hibs and that people with allegiance to Hibs's depth of feeling / commitment to the club waxes and wanes in line with what else is going on with their lives.

I will be interested to view the continuing depth of commitment of some of the younger posters as they continue life's journey, I can absolutely guarantee you that some wont always be as fervent as they are now, when they see what life has to throw at them.

It would be good though if guys like me could continue to be accomodated, as as I say without it we are likley to be lost forever and there is always the ignore post option.

One thing is for certain the current guilt trip policy will not have any effect whatsoever on whether I go, but it may make me think, sod this what's the point I dont go every week therefore I have no right to an opinion /discussion.

And if too many of us discover that "...there's more to life than just Hibs" then we will discover a much poorer Hibs on and off the park.

There's been chronic mismanagement at our club in recent years admitted and apologised for and the losses (accrued by Incompetence and pay offs not player investment) confirm that.

However, WE the supporters/fans ARE the club. And our progress like it or not is absolutely inextricably linked to whether our support/fan base buys season tickets, pays at the gate and buys merchandise.

This supporter just hopes more who can support the club does so.

Alfred E Newman
28-12-2012, 06:48 PM
And not much to get excited about since the Inverness defeat that will encourage the missing thousands to come back however what else can Petrie do he has been open and honest and told everyone if crowds are not increased then the budget for players costs will be slashed, the fact that crowds have went down sinse he told us tells him what ?

Then when everyone is moaning about us losing the better loanees in January window Petrie can stand up and say well its no ma fault, We are 4th in the league after our best start to the season for many years i am not a great Petrie fan but this time he is not to blame.

To tell the supporters that crowds must increase if we want a successful team at the same time as we were comprehensively beaten by a side that struggles to get 3000 through the gate was not good timing. Crowds were gradually increasing prior to that and I feel more should have been made of that encouraging statistic. The 1000 or so extra walk ups that were coming back seem to have been lost.

truehibernian
28-12-2012, 06:48 PM
Yeh I agree.I was thinking more of footballers going not on a one off basis but for example to help with coaching etc.Nowadays a golf pro is not allowed to touch a junior player to get the hands or body in the right position and has to be vetted before being allowed to coach of course.

No worries mate - but hey, if Natalie Gulbis ever wants to get 'hands on' if she does golf tours/lessons, I'm in :greengrin:aok:

Golden Bear
28-12-2012, 07:01 PM
No worries mate - but hey, if Natalie Gulbis ever wants to get 'hands on' if she does golf tours/lessons, I'm in :greengrin:aok:

Now yon really is fit!

BSEJVT
28-12-2012, 07:30 PM
And if too many of us discover that "...there's more to life than just Hibs" then we will discover a much poorer Hibs on and off the park.

There's been chronic mismanagement at our club in recent years admitted and apologised for and the losses (accrued by Incompetence and pay offs not player investment) confirm that.

However, WE the supporters/fans ARE the club. And our progress like it or not is absolutely inextricably linked to whether our support/fan base buys season tickets, pays at the gate and buys merchandise.

This supporter just hopes more who can support the club does so.

Last para is absolutely fair comment

I accept too that its chicken and egg stuff

For the moment it's golf for me and I recognise that my not contributing isn't helping and do have some guit re that.

I don't think I will ever return to previous levels of attendance as its not just hibs who are poor but the entire spl

I will though always have an allegiance to Hibs and will go as money and my sanity permit

jdships
28-12-2012, 08:35 PM
Each and every person who wants to go will go, and those who wont, wont. You have decided enough is enough, i understand that i even sympathise.

What you dont do though, is spend every post on here, abusing the teams efforts this season. You dont hark back to better times, even though they were few and far between.

Thats what really get on my tits about those who dont bother their erses going to games now, Hibs bashing has become an olympic sport, and we have some gold medalists.

Thank you for your comments
You make excellent points in your post.
Peoples reason's for not ' coming back ' are many and diverse and we have to accept that .
It's not for us/anyone to ridicule and criticise these people .

As you know have been lucky ( football wise !! ) on three counts - one to have had three relatives play for the club and have two somewhat distant ones there now , two , to play at Senior level ( albeit for a short time) and three to have played ' down the slope at ER ' against the ' Famous Five'
From that a part of me is sad that I have lost the urge/interest to go to ER .

I keep contact with a number of ex players of various clubs and am quite surprised at the number who do not attend football matches on a regular basis for whatever reason .
I have no doubt in the years to come this club will have moved on and hopefully regained its rightful place in the football world .


:flag:

Ray_
29-12-2012, 12:13 AM
You dont think its worth the hassle to go to easter road anymore, but still constantly find the time to tell us who do go just how bad it is , even when i and others think its been much better and see the club going in the right direction at last. :rolleyes:

Gary the thread based on people going or not going to ER FFS, the club paid out a lot of money a few years ago for information they can gather for free on here.

There are not enough of you and the others going, which part of that is so difficult for you to digest? That's why we keep getting threads like this one? People who still go regularly to ER have said the self same thing on here about things needing to get better, why do keep your head buried and ignore all the facts, attendance figures lately would be an ideal fact to start with.

blackpoolhibs
29-12-2012, 06:57 AM
Gary the thread based on people going or not going to ER FFS, the club paid out a lot of money a few years ago for information they can gather for free on here.

There are not enough of you and the others going, which part of that is so difficult for you to digest? That's why we keep getting threads like this one? People who still go regularly to ER have said the self same thing on here about things needing to get better, why do keep your head buried and ignore all the facts, attendance figures lately would be an ideal fact to start with.

Why is so difficult for you to answer the question i have asked 3 or 4 times now, so will ask again? Which teams are packing them in, who are doing better than Hibs at getting fans through the door, which clubs attendances are rising?

And once again you accuse me of ignoring the facts, when its you ignoring any of the progress the team has made this season, and concentrating on whats happened in the past, and predicting doom and gloom for the future?

Anyway i have to go now and get ready to go to the match, i just have to get my head out the sand long enough to put my scarf round it.

Davy Mac
29-12-2012, 08:16 AM
Okay doke

I will bite then because I said something along the lines of lack of entertainment stopping me from going back .

I have had an allegiance to Hibs for as long as I can remember call it 45 years. ( I wont say I am a supporter, beacuse that will no doubt offend some of you!)

During that 45 years I had periods of going :

A) Every Week

B) Every Home game

C) Most weeks

D) Infrequently

E) Hardly Ever

Some of that time I went in the above patterns (which didnt run concurrently) because my dad took /didnt take me, because I played football on Saturday's, because I played competitive golf on Saturday's.

When my chidren came along and my son got to 4 years old we got season tickets and went at least every home game for 15 years, at one time taking my daughter and 4 of her pals for 3 or 4 seasons as well.

I became disenchanted with it about 3 or 4 years ago as performances dipped, and around the stopped going with my children, but carried on out of duty, loyalty, familiarity, call it what you will.

I have hardly been the last 2 years and to be honest dont miss it that much as I have taken up golf again and get more enjoyment out of that than watching Hibs at the moment.

I post on Hibs net infrequently, but since I dont read the football pages of papers any more as they are worthless use Hibs net to keep "involved" with the team, I am interested to see if my obervations regarding the team are accurate or being from a distance mistaken.

There are a number of guys who post on here whose opinions I rate and I am interested to see how they feel the team is progressing.

It wouldnt take much for me to go back but to be honest I didn't like the old miserable, angry, foul mouthed me that watching our deterioration had made me.

It seems from reading this thread that because I dont go I am not entitled to an opinion, which is what I thought Hibs net was for, but instead am obligated to listen to some people's opinions who do go which are as worthless to me as mines are no doubt to them,. Thank goodness for the ignore post function.

Doubtless the people who express that opinion will refrain from comment on anything they are not involved in from politics to world famine and all points in between? Aye right.

The current guilt trip crusade being perpetuated by some on this thread will have exactly the opposite effect to the one they intend, as if guys like me dont stay involved through this media they will in all probability be lost to the club forever.

It surely wouldnt be difficult for the tech guys here to design a board like the private members one where entry was dependant on having a season ticket/match ticket to access if certain members wanted to restrict themselves to conversing only with fellow match attending fans (I do hope thats an acceptable description for such people). I doubt it would do much for the debate or site revenue though!

IMO some of you guys need to get over yourselves and see there is more to life than Hibs and that people with allegiance to Hibs's depth of feeling / commitment to the club waxes and wanes in line with what else is going on with their lives.

I will be interested to view the continuing depth of commitment of some of the younger posters as they continue life's journey, I can absolutely guarantee you that some wont always be as fervent as they are now, when they see what life has to throw at them.

It would be good though if guys like me could continue to be accomodated, as as I say without it we are likley to be lost forever and there is always the ignore post option.

One thing is for certain the current guilt trip policy will not have any effect whatsoever on whether I go, but it may make me think, sod this what's the point I dont go every week therefore I have no right to an opinion /discussion.

Well done for a very open and honest assesment of your current situation.

I can relate to a lot of what you've said particluarly with the children, own business, my 3 lads all play football/train 7 days a week, I work every saturday, still play 5's a couple of nights per week and unlike you haven't hit a golf ball since the summer!

My eldest is starting to go every week and it does bother me I can't go with them to keep an eye on him more than anything else but I liked and agreed with your foul mouthed assesment of yourself.

I also hated myself for how I feet/acted/miserable for days & don't buy the papers etc and although I still love Hibs dearly I feel I've paid by 35 years of dues and now it's my boys turn.

To be fair, I've seen Hibs through thick and thin in good times and bad - season tickets/Belguim (twice), Hungary, Athens, Skol Cup 91, CIS 2007 but watched atrocious cup finals/semi finals/derbies/long journeys to Aberdeen etc where at the time it hurt but there I was back the next week all positive and better times around the corner and all that.

CIS 2007 was superb, but since then I've lost the bug, the whole Mixu/Yogi/CC finished me off and although I quite like Fenlon the SPL is too predictable, the game appears to be corrupt from within especially with the infirm in charge it's unlikely to change soon.

I don't like 2nd place, maybe it's to do with my personality that I don't go anymore, something needs to be done, I quite like the idea of standing again (nostalgia perhaps) but one thing I would like to point out, the cost to attend matches is important and although I agree about the club living within our means we can't continue to fund wages to players with a league infrastructure that doesn't allow more than 2 winners of the title.

Some thoughts:

Cut entrance fees to bring back a generation of fans
Cut players wages and level the playing field
Bring back the maximum 3 non-scottish players per team rule

One thing is for sure Petrie is goosed, the game in Scotland will have to change first before we get the crowds back in my opinion.

Sorry, off to work again but I'll still be looking for updates later on today - c'mon the Hibs!

BSEJVT
29-12-2012, 09:26 AM
Well done for a very open and honest assesment of your current situation.

I can relate to a lot of what you've said particluarly with the children, own business, my 3 lads all play football/train 7 days a week, I work every saturday, still play 5's a couple of nights per week and unlike you haven't hit a golf ball since the summer!

My eldest is starting to go every week and it does bother me I can't go with them to keep an eye on him more than anything else but I liked and agreed with your foul mouthed assesment of yourself.

I also hated myself for how I feet/acted/miserable for days & don't buy the papers etc and although I still love Hibs dearly I feel I've paid by 35 years of dues and now it's my boys turn.

To be fair, I've seen Hibs through thick and thin in good times and bad - season tickets/Belguim (twice), Hungary, Athens, Skol Cup 91, CIS 2007 but watched atrocious cup finals/semi finals/derbies/long journeys to Aberdeen etc where at the time it hurt but there I was back the next week all positive and better times around the corner and all that.

CIS 2007 was superb, but since then I've lost the bug, the whole Mixu/Yogi/CC finished me off and although I quite like Fenlon the SPL is too predictable, the game appears to be corrupt from within especially with the infirm in charge it's unlikely to change soon.

I don't like 2nd place, maybe it's to do with my personality that I don't go anymore, something needs to be done, I quite like the idea of standing again (nostalgia perhaps) but one thing I would like to point out, the cost to attend matches is important and although I agree about the club living within our means we can't continue to fund wages to players with a league infrastructure that doesn't allow more than 2 winners of the title.

Some thoughts:

Cut entrance fees to bring back a generation of fans
Cut players wages and level the playing field
Bring back the maximum 3 non-scottish players per team rule

One thing is for sure Petrie is goosed, the game in Scotland will have to change first before we get the crowds back in my opinion.

Sorry, off to work again but I'll still be looking for updates later on today - c'mon the Hibs!

Thanks for that Davy

The point some of the current die hards (and fair play to them) need to get is that guys like you and I have been where they are now and have for whatever reason moved on.

I honestly dont like their marginalising people like us.

I think they should look at it from a different angle.

The initiative to bring a friend along was laudable and succesful and I bet they would have been happy if some of their friends had continued to attend even albeit infrequently.

Every £ that goes into the club must be welcome and they would I am sure be continuing to encourage these guys to get involved in Hibs net, the debate etc to keep interested in the club and go along whenever and would view their going along whenever a success and rightly so.

Yet guys like you and I are told our opinions are worthless as we dont go regularly, but have previously invested time and money in the club and followed the team through good and bad.

The current trend to dismiss the opinion of people who dont go is counter productive and divisive and contrary to any common sense or initiative the club and supporters groups are taking to re-connect with lapsed Hibs supporters.

I accept fully that there are those that simply dismiss everything the club do, but they are just noise to be tuned out, it is though a sad day when honest opinions truthfully expressed about what an individual thinks they are seeing on the park are dismissed as unwelcome or irrelevant because they dont go every week.

GGTTH

weecounty hibby
29-12-2012, 10:15 AM
Thanks for that Davy

The point some of the current die hards (and fair play to them) need to get is that guys like you and I have been where they are now and have for whatever reason moved on.

I honestly dont like their marginalising people like us.

I think they should look at it from a different angle.

The initiative to bring a friend along was laudable and succesful and I bet they would have been happy if some of their friends had continued to attend even albeit infrequently.

Every £ that goes into the club must be welcome and they would I am sure be continuing to encourage these guys to get involved in Hibs net, the debate etc to keep interested in the club and go along whenever and would view their going along whenever a success and rightly so.

Yet guys like you and I are told our opinions are worthless as we dont go regularly, but have previously invested time and money in the club and followed the team through good and bad.

The current trend to dismiss the opinion of people who dont go is counter productive and divisive and contrary to any common sense or initiative the club and supporters groups are taking to re-connect with lapsed Hibs supporters.

I accept fully that there are those that simply dismiss everything the club do, but they are just noise to be tuned out, it is though a sad day when honest opinions truthfully expressed about what an individual thinks they are seeing on the park are dismissed as unwelcome or irrelevant because they dont go every week.

GGTTH
Thats three of us at least with almost identical stories to tell. I Too have had almost forty years of paying my way to ER and still go to a some games and it get on my nerves when told my opinion on the club doesnt count.
Cost and entertainment is massive and you know what, me and my son will be at Murrayfield today. Edinburgh v Glasgow, £20 for us BOTH to get in, total commitment from both teams, better food, able to have a beer if i want to. Hibs v celtic, £50ish for entry, average food, no beer and then to watch and get overly worked up as my team probably get beat.
I gave my 9 year old son the choice of which game to go to and he chose the rugby. He is Hibs through and through as those from the Alloa sc will testify to so Hibs must be doing something wrong when he would rather go to the rugby

Ray_
29-12-2012, 10:29 AM
Why is so difficult for you to answer the question i have asked 3 or 4 times now, so will ask again? Which teams are packing them in, who are doing better than Hibs at getting fans through the door, which clubs attendances are rising?

And once again you accuse me of ignoring the facts, when its you ignoring any of the progress the team has made this season, and concentrating on whats happened in the past, and predicting doom and gloom for the future?

Anyway i have to go now and get ready to go to the match, i just have to get my head out the sand long enough to put my scarf round it.

OK Gary, there are only two teams in the SPL that are comparable to Hibs, hearts and Aberdeen, we will forget about hearts figures given their "special case" & in the 10 home SPL games played this season by both the remaining teams. Hibs average more than a thousand less fans per game & that doesn't factor in the blackmail element, which you so eloquently put. But the more interesting factor of your question, the apparent dismissal that hibs could do a lot better than they are, in drawing crowds, now who is it that's being negative?

Since my original post on here [a response to yet another dig by yourself [I really should learn to ignore such infantile contemptuous behaviour], It has been suggested that I have no right to post my views owing to not paying anything in to the club. Almost unbelievably, even by one individual, given his age, who could have only have spent a fraction of the cash I and some of the others, who aren’t current regulars, have in poured in to the club coffers.

Even this season my spending so far would equate at least to that of a season ticket, but people are quick to judge and just how many stayaways have ceased all contribution? All, if you read some of the sprouting on here. I thought we had moved away from the mediaeval trait of burning witches, because some clown gets it in their head that she must be a witch, obviously not!

Anyway Gary, I really hope you have a great day and the team turn up for you.

trev the hat
29-12-2012, 10:46 AM
Thanks for that Davy

The point some of the current die hards (and fair play to them) need to get is that guys like you and I have been where they are now and have for whatever reason moved on.

I honestly dont like their marginalising people like us.

I think they should look at it from a different angle.

The initiative to bring a friend along was laudable and succesful and I bet they would have been happy if some of their friends had continued to attend even albeit infrequently.

Every £ that goes into the club must be welcome and they would I am sure be continuing to encourage these guys to get involved in Hibs net, the debate etc to keep interested in the club and go along whenever and would view their going along whenever a success and rightly so.

Yet guys like you and I are told our opinions are worthless as we dont go regularly, but have previously invested time and money in the club and followed the team through good and bad.

The current trend to dismiss the opinion of people who dont go is counter productive and divisive and contrary to any common sense or initiative the club and supporters groups are taking to re-connect with lapsed Hibs supporters.

I accept fully that there are those that simply dismiss everything the club do, but they are just noise to be tuned out, it is though a sad day when honest opinions truthfully expressed about what an individual thinks they are seeing on the park are dismissed as unwelcome or irrelevant because they dont go every week.

GGTTH

Excellent post, as is Davy,s.
2nd last paragraph sums up this thread completely.
Both very honest & a big number in similar circumstances i reckon.

Dalkeith
29-12-2012, 11:13 AM
Almost a mirror image of myself in every aspect (except i dont play golf), something happened a couple of years ago that stopped me buying a ST don't know what it was but i remember saying i've had enough, I've went from a guy who never missed a game anywhere for most of my life to a guy who now struggles to go to a home game even with a free ticket.

Like others have said it wont take much to get me hooked again but at the moment i'm not seeing anything that will do that in the near future



Okay doke

I will bite then because I said something along the lines of lack of entertainment stopping me from going back .

I have had an allegiance to Hibs for as long as I can remember call it 45 years. ( I wont say I am a supporter, beacuse that will no doubt offend some of you!)

During that 45 years I had periods of going :

A) Every Week

B) Every Home game

C) Most weeks

D) Infrequently

E) Hardly Ever

Some of that time I went in the above patterns (which didnt run concurrently) because my dad took /didnt take me, because I played football on Saturday's, because I played competitive golf on Saturday's.

When my chidren came along and my son got to 4 years old we got season tickets and went at least every home game for 15 years, at one time taking my daughter and 4 of her pals for 3 or 4 seasons as well.

I became disenchanted with it about 3 or 4 years ago as performances dipped, and around the stopped going with my children, but carried on out of duty, loyalty, familiarity, call it what you will.

I have hardly been the last 2 years and to be honest dont miss it that much as I have taken up golf again and get more enjoyment out of that than watching Hibs at the moment.

I post on Hibs net infrequently, but since I dont read the football pages of papers any more as they are worthless use Hibs net to keep "involved" with the team, I am interested to see if my obervations regarding the team are accurate or being from a distance mistaken.

There are a number of guys who post on here whose opinions I rate and I am interested to see how they feel the team is progressing.

It wouldnt take much for me to go back but to be honest I didn't like the old miserable, angry, foul mouthed me that watching our deterioration had made me.

It seems from reading this thread that because I dont go I am not entitled to an opinion, which is what I thought Hibs net was for, but instead am obligated to listen to some people's opinions who do go which are as worthless to me as mines are no doubt to them,. Thank goodness for the ignore post function.

Doubtless the people who express that opinion will refrain from comment on anything they are not involved in from politics to world famine and all points in between? Aye right.

The current guilt trip crusade being perpetuated by some on this thread will have exactly the opposite effect to the one they intend, as if guys like me dont stay involved through this media they will in all probability be lost to the club forever.

It surely wouldnt be difficult for the tech guys here to design a board like the private members one where entry was dependant on having a season ticket/match ticket to access if certain members wanted to restrict themselves to conversing only with fellow match attending fans (I do hope thats an acceptable description for such people). I doubt it would do much for the debate or site revenue though!

IMO some of you guys need to get over yourselves and see there is more to life than Hibs and that people with allegiance to Hibs's depth of feeling / commitment to the club waxes and wanes in line with what else is going on with their lives.

I will be interested to view the continuing depth of commitment of some of the younger posters as they continue life's journey, I can absolutely guarantee you that some wont always be as fervent as they are now, when they see what life has to throw at them.

It would be good though if guys like me could continue to be accomodated, as as I say without it we are likley to be lost forever and there is always the ignore post option.

One thing is for certain the current guilt trip policy will not have any effect whatsoever on whether I go, but it may make me think, sod this what's the point I dont go every week therefore I have no right to an opinion /discussion.

HUTCHYHIBBY
29-12-2012, 05:17 PM
A very big well done to the folk that did as the title of the thread requested, I had a large bet on Celtic HT-FT, but, fine result all the same!

ronaldo7
29-12-2012, 09:19 PM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

During one of the Celtc onslaughts this afternoon, my mind drifted to thinking about you, and some others on this thread today.

I thought to myself... What if they could have been here to see the game, and all the stands going mental, and how the Hibernian Family were getting behind the team and Pat today.

If you could only have seen the delight on some of the youngsters beside me in the East. It will live with them for a long time to come.

Hope you, and the others can get back to supporting the club in our hour of need.

GGTTH

Sudds_1
29-12-2012, 09:24 PM
During one of the Celtc onslaughts this afternoon, my mind drifted to thinking about you, and some others on this thread today.

I thought to myself... What if they could have been here to see the game, and all the stands going mental, and how the Hibernian Family were getting behind the team and Pat today.

If you could only have seen the delight on some of the youngsters beside me in the East. It will live with them for a long time to come.

Hope you, and the others can get back to supporting the club in our hour of need.

GGTTH

ach I doubt it. One swallow doesnt make a summer and all that.

Whereas tnos of us who were there take (and effing well enjoy) the high of today, knowing there will be a few more lows on our raod to recovery. Thats the difference.

ronaldo7
29-12-2012, 09:38 PM
ach I doubt it. One swallow doesnt make a summer and all that.

Whereas tnos of us who were there take (and effing well enjoy) the high of today, knowing there will be a few more lows on our raod to recovery. Thats the difference.

:aok:

Its what being a Hibs fan is made of.


Stearner stuff.:wink:

matty_f
29-12-2012, 09:43 PM
Thoroughly entertaining game for the support who were by and large fantastic today.

Jonnyboy
29-12-2012, 09:45 PM
Thoroughly entertaining game for the support who were by and large fantastic today.

Indeed Matty although there wasn't a lot of silky soccer and we had to rely on grit and determination a lot, so a fair few will continue to stay away as they've declared that we shouldn't be content with grit and determination and should only buy season tickets if Hibs can emulate Barcelona :wink:

ronaldo7
29-12-2012, 09:51 PM
During one of the Celtc onslaughts this afternoon, my mind drifted to thinking about you, and some others on this thread today.

I thought to myself... What if they could have been here to see the game, and all the stands going mental, and how the Hibernian Family were getting behind the team and Pat today.

If you could only have seen the delight on some of the youngsters beside me in the East. It will live with them for a long time to come.

Hope you, and the others can get back to supporting the club in our hour of need.

GGTTH


Indeed Matty although there wasn't a lot of silky soccer and we had to rely on grit and determination a lot, so a fair few will continue to stay away as they've declared that we shouldn't be content with grit and determination and should only buy season tickets if Hibs can emulate Barcelona :wink:


Come on John.

The Olive branch has been offered, and will hopefully be grasped...We need all our fans onboard at this time.:wink:

Jonnyboy
29-12-2012, 09:52 PM
Come on John.

The Olive branch has been offered, and will hopefully be grasped...We need all our fans onboard at this time.:wink:

Olive branch? New supporters club is it? :greengrin

ronaldo7
29-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Olive branch? New supporters club is it? :greengrin

:tee hee:

Judas Iscariot
29-12-2012, 10:02 PM
Thats three of us at least with almost identical stories to tell. I Too have had almost forty years of paying my way to ER and still go to a some games and it get on my nerves when told my opinion on the club doesnt count.
Cost and entertainment is massive and you know what, me and my son will be at Murrayfield today. Edinburgh v Glasgow, £20 for us BOTH to get in, total commitment from both teams, better food, able to have a beer if i want to. Hibs v celtic, £50ish for entry, average food, no beer and then to watch and get overly worked up as my team probably get beat.
I gave my 9 year old son the choice of which game to go to and he chose the rugby. He is Hibs through and through as those from the Alloa sc will testify to so Hibs must be doing something wrong when he would rather go to the rugby

Bet yer laddie is spewing the night :thumbsup:

Sudds_1
29-12-2012, 10:16 PM
Bet yer laddie is spewing the night :thumbsup:



:tsk tsk::tee hee:

weecounty hibby
29-12-2012, 11:45 PM
Bet yer laddie is spewing the night :thumbsup:

Actually he was chuffed to bits when he heard the score. As i said Hibs through and through but i don't suppose you and some of the other self righteous uber fans will get it!!!! We had a good day out at the rugby and Hibs won. Good day all round. By the way i have a ticket for Tynie and i note that some of the uber fans are now scraping around for tickets. Go figure!!

Russ
30-12-2012, 06:22 AM
Wrong again you dont have to be at the game to observe what is wrong. If that was the case you would never watch footy on tv or listen to the radio or may I say even read the daily blogs. You never hit a nerve with me Russ me old Cocker I just dont have time to listen to People like you, in fact I might go to the Docs tomorrow for something to get rid of My Pain in the A** probably better to leave you to it. :confused:
Brilliant game btw, pity you missed it:wink:

theonlywayisup
30-12-2012, 06:39 AM
After a promising start to the new season it looks like we are in freefall yet again. The club ask supporters to return after that shambolic display last May. I for one wont return until the powers that be show a bit of gumption and end the uncertainty regards signing our main players. I believe this has been praying on some of the players minds and has led once again to a lack of confidence throughout the club as a whole, supporters and players. I cant see us signing Sparky and McGivern and it is unlikely we will attract any decent players to the club the way things are panning out. Before I get pelters from some on this site I am being realistic, yes we have improved slightly but thats not hard to do after last season. Our season now hangs on what happens in the next Month or so, sign our loan players and get some new talent in, get rid of the dead wood and if we dont have the funds bring through the youngsters. I know some of you will say if we all attended the games there would be more money to purchase players, what I would say is show me attractive attacking football that I was used to seeing in the 70s and I will be happy to travel from Dundee every week to see my beloved Hibees. :flag:

I stood up and was counted again. How much did I enjoy it? Loads!

I have said this before and I will say it again. Last season, Pat's job was to keep us in the SPL. This season, it is to make us much harder to beat, and over the season to date, apart from two or three games, he has achieved that, whilst throwing in a few good results. Next season, will be the real test for Pat Fenlon, as he needs to build on a firmer platform and make us more entertaining, at the same time as our rivals will get weaker.

Now, is not the time to give up on Hibs. We have the potential to build a strong base for years to come. Theonlywayisup!!!!

Russ
30-12-2012, 06:42 AM
Actually he was chuffed to bits when he heard the score. As i said Hibs through and through but i don't suppose you and some of the other self righteous uber fans will get it!!!! We had a good day out at the rugby and Hibs won. Good day all round. By the way i have a ticket for Tynie and i note that some of the uber fans are now scraping around for tickets. Go figure!!

I could have went to my local park, watched a great game for free, taken my own choice food etc etc etc, all for a pittance, at the end of the day there was only one place i was ever gonna be. Hibs through and through? na, cannae accept that sorry. Making excuses not to go to a game disnae make ye Hibs anythin in ma opinion. Got ma ticket for *********** btw:wink:

Brooster
30-12-2012, 09:44 AM
Actually he was chuffed to bits when he heard the score. As i said Hibs through and through but i don't suppose you and some of the other self righteous uber fans will get it!!!! We had a good day out at the rugby and Hibs won. Good day all round. By the way i have a ticket for Tynie and i note that some of the uber fans are now scraping around for tickets. Go figure!!

His choice of course but he obviously chose the rugby because he thought Hibs would lose. Hibs through and through?

BroxburnHibee
30-12-2012, 10:30 AM
His choice of course but he obviously chose the rugby because he thought Hibs would lose. Hibs through and through?

How do you work that out????

People are far too quick to categorise other 'fans' on here.

There's been plenty games in the last few years where I've took the laddie too and sat there wondering how he could have been enjoying it as what was on offer was dire viewing.

The laddie chose to go to the rugby so he's not a hibs fan - aye right!!!!!!

Sudds_1
30-12-2012, 10:49 AM
How do you work that out????

People are far too quick to categorise other 'fans' on here.

There's been plenty games in the last few years where I've took the laddie too and sat there wondering how he could have been enjoying it as what was on offer was dire viewing.

The laddie chose to go to the rugby so he's not a hibs fan - aye right!!!!!!

Don't think he was questioning the lad's allegiance. Just that he's Hibs through and through if he chooses to watch rugby over the biggest game in the SPL that week involving his "team".

Just a thought.......

Beefster
30-12-2012, 11:13 AM
His choice of course but he obviously chose the rugby because he thought Hibs would lose. Hibs through and through?

We're even including kids in the uber-fan debates now?

My four year old is a member of Hibs Kids but has only been to three games. Sorry.

Brooster
30-12-2012, 11:35 AM
[QUOTE=BroxburnHibee;3458512]How do you work that out????

People are far too quick to categorise other 'fans' on here.

There's been plenty games in the last few years where I've took the laddie too and sat there wondering how he could have been enjoying it as what was on offer was dire viewing.

The laddie chose to go to the rugby so he's not a hibs fan - aye right!!!!!![/QUOTE

I'm questioning this guys claim to be 'Hibs through and through' when he wasn't interested in going to a massive home game.

marinello59
30-12-2012, 11:36 AM
People who go to games are now uber fans?

:faf::faf::faf:

BroxburnHibee
30-12-2012, 12:13 PM
How do you work that out????

People are far too quick to categorise other 'fans' on here.

There's been plenty games in the last few years where I've took the laddie too and sat there wondering how he could have been enjoying it as what was on offer was dire viewing.

The laddie chose to go to the rugby so he's not a hibs fan - aye right!!!!!!

I'm questioning this guys claim to be 'Hibs through and through' when he wasn't interested in going to a massive home game.

I would claim to be Hibs through and through but I didn't go yesterday.

Brooster
30-12-2012, 12:20 PM
I would claim to be Hibs through and through but I didn't go yesterday.

I don't know your reasons for not going yesterday but if you were able to go you can hardly claim to be Hibs through and through.

BroxburnHibee
30-12-2012, 12:40 PM
I don't know your reasons for not going yesterday but if you were able to go you can hardly claim to be Hibs through and through.

:hilarious Aye alright then.

Sudds_1
30-12-2012, 12:56 PM
I would claim to be Hibs through and through but I didn't go yesterday.

well....you're clearly not then :wink:
:greengrin

Lucius Apuleius
30-12-2012, 01:00 PM
Me neither then obviously. Oh well.

jdships
30-12-2012, 01:54 PM
Me neither then obviously. Oh well.

And me also !! :agree:
Wonder if these posters who claim the moral high ground apply their morality to their everyday life ? :greengrin

' Uber Fans Rule OK '

BroxburnHibee
30-12-2012, 01:56 PM
Me neither then obviously. Oh well.

Always had my doubts about you :wink:

cabbageandribs1875
30-12-2012, 02:06 PM
mon the non-uberites/uberettes

weecounty hibby
30-12-2012, 03:02 PM
His choice of course but he obviously chose the rugby because he thought Hibs would lose. Hibs through and through?

As I said before you and the other uber fans wouldn't get it and this post and the one above says it all really. You were there yesterday well done, that clearly makes you a better Hibby than me or my son.
Next year will be 40 years since my first Hibs game and it used to be the most important thing in my life. Not any more. I have learned that there is more to life than Hibs. I have previously stated the reasons why I no longer attend every week, I'm sure as you seem to have nothing in your life except Hibs that you will have time to check back through my posts and find out what that is.

Good to see also that we are now putting 8 year old kids into the uber fan or stayaway categories. ****ing pathetic, you should grow up a bit.

Lucius Apuleius
30-12-2012, 03:10 PM
Always had my doubts about you :wink:

:wink: Get lost. :greengrin

Seveno
30-12-2012, 05:32 PM
I won't criticise or categorise fans, just say what I have seen this season.

The only game that I have missed was the Ross County game as I was away for Christmas. By and large, I have gone home happy as we have won most games, played some good football at times and generally shown a lot more determination and fight. It has been a far cry from the Mowbray days but so much better than recent seasons.

The cup match against 'them' was simply wonderful and yesterday was not far behind. Again, not classy football, but a tremendous atmosphere with real fight from the team.

Like a lot of fans, I have been convinced from early on that Pat is the man to turn round our Club. He is a good judge of a player but, more importantly, is changing the culture at the Club. It will take time and Pat is still learning as a manager so there will be some rough patches along the way. As fans, we need to have the same determination and faith that it will all come right in the end.

I have been a Hibs fan for over 50 years and shall be so until the day I depart this earth. I love Hibs. It is my Club, my team and my passion (well one of them). I shall continue to give Hibs as much support as I can and can only hope that as many other fans can do so as well.

GGTTH

Sudds_1
30-12-2012, 05:38 PM
I won't criticise or categorise fans, just say what I have seen this season.

The only game that I have missed was the Ross County game as I was away for Christmas. By and large, I have gone home happy as we have won most games, played some good football at times and generally shown a lot more determination and fight. It has been a far cry from the Mowbray days but so much better than recent seasons.

The cup match against 'them' was simply wonderful and yesterday was not far behind. Again, not classy football, but a tremendous atmosphere with real fight from the team.

Like a lot of fans, I have been convinced from early on that Pat is the man to turn round our Club. He is a good judge of a player but, more importantly, is changing the culture at the Club. It will take time and Pat is still learning as a manager so there will be some rough patches along the way. As fans, we need to have the same determination and faith that it will all come right in the end.

I have been a Hibs fan for over 50 years and shall be so until the day I depart this earth. I love Hibs. It is my Club, my team and my passion (well one of them). I shall continue to give Hibs as much support as I can and can only hope that as many other fans can do so as well.

GGTTH

what he said! :top marks

brydekirk
31-12-2012, 10:39 AM
what he said! :top marks

Must agree, ggtth

Jonnyboy
31-12-2012, 08:40 PM
I won't criticise or categorise fans, just say what I have seen this season.

The only game that I have missed was the Ross County game as I was away for Christmas. By and large, I have gone home happy as we have won most games, played some good football at times and generally shown a lot more determination and fight. It has been a far cry from the Mowbray days but so much better than recent seasons.

The cup match against 'them' was simply wonderful and yesterday was not far behind. Again, not classy football, but a tremendous atmosphere with real fight from the team.

Like a lot of fans, I have been convinced from early on that Pat is the man to turn round our Club. He is a good judge of a player but, more importantly, is changing the culture at the Club. It will take time and Pat is still learning as a manager so there will be some rough patches along the way. As fans, we need to have the same determination and faith that it will all come right in the end.

I have been a Hibs fan for over 50 years and shall be so until the day I depart this earth. I love Hibs. It is my Club, my team and my passion (well one of them). I shall continue to give Hibs as much support as I can and can only hope that as many other fans can do so as well.

GGTTH

Ditto :agree:

Well said that man