Pat Finucane

[The Harp Awakes]

Another dispicable example of corruption to add to the atrocities of Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20662412

How many more examples are out there?

[hibsbollah]

A major story, and further evidence of the corrupt and possibly murderous police force we have/had in this country. I expect this story to get lost in the usual sectarian, partial debate based on which 'side' in Ireland you support.

[Big Ed]

Another occasion to sigh in despair at the flagrant exploitaion of public trust.

Hillsborough, Orgreave, Saville and now this: outrages that happened a long time ago to people and their families, some living with the fall out of these attrocities, some dead, before any semblance of justice can be meted out to the perpetrators.

The Prime Minister can sound as sincere as he likes when he stands at PMQ's and apologises: everyone knows that he is not personally responsible.

It is as if whatever has been kicked into the long grass 20 - 30 years ago has been retrieved, with the truth just obfuscated enough by decades of decay.

It is hard to see a politician or a senior policeman or a newspaper editor on TV now without nihilistic cynicism coursing through my veins and the unlikely hope that one day they will be held accountable for their malfeasance.

[Pretty Boy]

Collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and 'agents of the state' has been alleged for years.

Wouldn't surprise me if this is another tip of the iceberg.

[hibsbollah]

Another occasion to sigh in despair at the flagrant exploitaion of public trust.

Hillsborough, Orgreave, Saville and now this: outrages that happened a long time ago to people and their families, some living with the fall out of these attrocities, some dead, before any semblance of justice can be meted out to the perpetrators.

The Prime Minister can sound as sincere as he likes when he stands at PMQ's and apologises: everyone knows that he is not personally responsible.

It is as if whatever has been kicked into the long grass 20 - 30 years ago has been retrieved, with the truth just obfuscated enough by decades of decay.

It is hard to see a politician or a senior policeman or a newspaper editor on TV now without nihilistic cynicism coursing through my veins and the unlikely hope that one day they will be held accountable for their malfeasance.

Agree:agree:

The RUC Chief Constable at the time, John Hermon OBE, died three years ago after a long period of alzheimers. The tory secretary of state for Norn Iron at the time, the amusingly jug eared Tom King, is now Baron King, and is mumbling away in the house of lords. I rememberthem both from the tv screens of my youth. Neither of the two people best placed to spill the beans will be able to add much to what we know, I predict.

There is NO CHANCE, in my opinion, based on the level of coverup that the report describes, that the conspiracy (and possibly the order to kill itself) wasnt authorised at the highest level.

[GoldenEagle]

Is anyone surprised at this news, the late 70's right up until the end of 'the troubles' was a time in history like no other.
Both sides were using every trick possible to bomb, shoot, stab and kill each other with a driven passion.

I welcome the truth and I'm sure there will be more to come, however I am prepared to remember the circumstances and I'll not be swayed by making one side out to be the innocent party albeit I cannot understand why an innocent lawyer should be targeted.

I presume also that there will be calls into the Irish state collision with the IRA as well?

[HKhibby]

Is anyone surprised at this news, the late 70's right up until the end of 'the troubles' was a time in history like no other.
Both sides were using every trick possible to bomb, shoot, stab and kill each other with a driven passion.

I welcome the truth and I'm sure there will be more to come, however I am prepared to remember the circumstances and I'll not be swayed by making one side out to be the innocent party albeit I cannot understand why an innocent lawyer should be targeted.

I presume also that there will be calls into the Irish state collision with the IRA as well?

Well said!....not just the Irish State with the IRA ****!, but it should be highlighted about the "possible" cllusion from other states..ie: Libya, etc.. The Russians (USSR), not to mention the funding from the likes of rubbish in the U.S.!..Noraid etc.., funny now the yanks like it all their own way...with suspected Terrorists extradited there for "possible" terrorist links?...but it didnt matter then ofcoarse...it funded their so called friends and relations back in the old country!...not to mention helped the Irish / American vote!!

[Big Ed]

Is anyone surprised at this news, the late 70's right up until the end of 'the troubles' was a time in history like no other.
Both sides were using every trick possible to bomb, shoot, stab and kill each other with a driven passion.

I welcome the truth and I'm sure there will be more to come, however I am prepared to remember the circumstances and I'll not be swayed by making one side out to be the innocent party albeit I cannot understand why an innocent lawyer should be targeted.

I presume also that there will be calls into the Irish state collision with the IRA as well?

If you want to obfuscate anything other than the most simple issue; polarise it.

Pat Finucane: Catholic lawyer, defended Bobby Sands = IRA

RUC/MI5: representatives of existing establishment and under the influence of UK = UDA

It's a ****ed up time and it's all a bit mental with all the stabbing and shooting and bombing and all, so in the midst of all that, UDA kill IRA: so what!

Well let me put it another way: Pat Finucane was a lawyer who represented both Loyalists and Republicans. There has been no credible evidence provided, that he was a member of the IRA.

One month prior to the murder, Douglas Hogg, more recently infamous for his moat cleaning exploits, stood up in the Commons, as an under Secretary in the Home Office and stated that there were a number of solicitors in Northern Ireland who were "unduly sympathetic to the cause of the IRA". This was based on a briefing he had received from the RUC, who told him some lawyers were "effectively in the pockets of terrorists". Four days before his comments he received profiles from the RUC of Finucane and another solicitor, neither of which the de Silva Report finds even began to prove they were in the pockets of the IRA.

On Wednesday, the Prime Minister admitted to "shocking levels of collusion" in the murder, yet only organisations that no longer exist and the dead are blamed.

Hunky Dory isn't it?

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Is anyone surprised at this news, the late 70's right up until the end of 'the troubles' was a time in history like no other.
Both sides were using every trick possible to bomb, shoot, stab and kill each other with a driven passion.

I welcome the truth and I'm sure there will be more to come, however I am prepared to remember the circumstances and I'll not be swayed by making one side out to be the innocent party albeit I cannot understand why an innocent lawyer should be targeted.

I presume also that there will be calls into the Irish state collision with the IRA as well?

Pat was targeted by The State because he was a bloody good lawyer. As simple as that. The Crown are responsible and someone should go down for this......what's the chances of that though?!

[Killiehibbie]

Is anyone surprised at this news, the late 70's right up until the end of 'the troubles' was a time in history like no other.
Both sides were using every trick possible to bomb, shoot, stab and kill each other with a driven passion.

I welcome the truth and I'm sure there will be more to come, however I am prepared to remember the circumstances and I'll not be swayed by making one side out to be the innocent party albeit I cannot understand why an innocent lawyer should be targeted.

I presume also that there will be calls into the Irish state collision with the IRA as well?This was the murder of a man who presented a defence in court for those accused of crimes. He acted within the law to make sure the accused were tried according to the law. Who sets these laws? Probably some of the same people who colluded in his murder.

[Twa Cairpets]

Well said!....not just the Irish State with the IRA ****!, but it should be highlighted about the "possible" cllusion from other states..ie: Libya, etc.. The Russians (USSR), not to mention the funding from the likes of rubbish in the U.S.!..Noraid etc.., funny now the yanks like it all their own way...with suspected Terrorists extradited there for "possible" terrorist links?...but it didnt matter then ofcoarse...it funded their so called friends and relations back in the old country!...not to mention helped the Irish / American vote!!

You're now becoming a tiresome bore.

Please, if you're going to attempt to make a point, try to do it without excessive use of exclamation marks or elipses, and using actual sentences rather than exclamatory sound bites.

I'm afraid looking your posts your you just read like a total fud. You may or may not be one - I don't know - but if you're trolling or seeking to become the forum's most ridiculed poster you're doing a fine job.