Suicide (Person who took Royal Hoax Call)

[Scouse Hibee]

Just seen a news flash that the person who took the hoax call made to the hospital where Princess Kate was being treated has been found dead in an apparant suicide!

[Wembley67]

Awful thing to happen which was obviously just a bit of fun.

[Peevemor]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/12/07/jacintha-saldanha-dead-kate-hospital-nurse-prank-call_n_2257637.html?icid=maing-grid7|uk|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D140658

[cabbageandribs1875]

i wonder how the smart ersed dj's are feeling now, ****s, what a damn shame for that nurse

[harpo]

Something stinks here, within hours of the nurse being found dead ive just watched nicholas witchall the bbc chief royal reporter telling us it was a suicide because of the hoax call. I mean how the hell does he know this?

No need for the police to investigate the death then as Nicholas Witchall already knows the answers:confused:

[Sergio sledge]

Awful. Just shows you what harm pranks can cause if the perpetrator isn't careful about who the victim of the prank is.

[marinello59]

Something stinks here, within hours of the nurse being found dead ive just watched nicholas witchall the bbc chief royal reporter telling us it was a suicide because of the hoax call. I mean how the hell does he know this?

No need for the police to investigate the death then as Nicholas Witchall already knows the answers:confused:

What did he actually say?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20645838

Updated a couple of minutes ago.

No mention of cause of death.

[Phil D. Rolls]

i wonder how the smart ersed dj's are feeling now, ****s, what a damn shame for that nurse

She will have been mortified at giving out confidential information without checking who she was speaking to. I have always thought these hoax calls are dangerous - and I would hate to be on the receiving end. I can't say I would see the funny side.

Surely someone at the radio station should have thought out the implications for the victim of the hoax?


Something stinks here, within hours of the nurse being found dead ive just watched nicholas witchall the bbc chief royal reporter telling us it was a suicide because of the hoax call. I mean how the hell does he know this?

No need for the police to investigate the death then as Nicholas Witchall already knows the answers:confused:

Upholding the BBC's high journalistic standards.

[harpo]

What did he actually say?

just rewatched it on skyplus here's what he said "clearly this tragic lady reproached herself so much that she killed herself and that is the consequence of this prank call ''

[Phil D. Rolls]

just rewatched it on skyplus here's what he said "clearly this tragic lady reproached herself so much that she killed herself and that is the consequence of this prank call ''

Amazing investigative powers these guys have. Maybe they read the suicide note?

[harpo]

Amazing investigative powers these guys have. Maybe they read the suicide note?

just think it was strange for witchall to say this without any facts. He didnt mention anything about a suicide note so dont know if there was one. shouldnt be reporting a story within hours of a woman's death claiming how and why she died without obviously having the facts at hand. Even the police wont have all the facts yet, never mind nicholas witchall.

[Hibs Class]

Something stinks here, within hours of the nurse being found dead ive just watched nicholas witchall the bbc chief royal reporter telling us it was a suicide because of the hoax call. I mean how the hell does he know this?

No need for the police to investigate the death then as Nicholas Witchall already knows the answers:confused:


He may be right. Do you know differently?

[Phil D. Rolls]

just think it was strange for witchall to say this without any facts. He didnt mention anything about a suicide note so dont know if there was one. shouldnt be reporting a story within hours of a woman's death claiming how and why she died without obviously having the facts at hand. Even the police wont have all the facts yet, never mind nicholas witchall.

I'm with you on that. Unless the death has been certified as suicide - unlikely at this point, the best they can do is say the evidence suggests suicide.

(Have to say I made the same mistake in an earlier post, I should really have said "if it is suicide", rather than just assuming what was reported was right.)

[Beefster]

She will have been mortified at giving out confidential information without checking who she was speaking to.

The nurse who has died is apparently the one who answered the call, not the one who gave out the information.

[Phil D. Rolls]

The nurse who has died is apparently the one who answered the call, not the one who gave out the information.

I'm feeling a bit silly commenting on the story without knowing the facts. Clearly something has gone wrong with the protocol in the hospital. Seems like a tragic situation.

[stoneyburn hibs]

This does not add up , people should not be so quick to accuse the pranksters . Everybody has pranked someone in some sort of form naw ? There has to be more to the woman taking her own life other than this prank call. Of course maybe the prank call has been the straw for her.

[harpo]

He may be right. Do you know differently?

I dont know jack about this tragic case, but what i do know is within hours of this woman being found we are being told by a top royal reporter how and why she died before even a post mortem has been carried out.

[Hibs Class]

I dont know jack about this tragic case, but what i do know is within hours of this woman being found we are being told by a top royal reporter how and why she died before even a post mortem has been carried out.

Fair enough. I also know next to nothing about this case, but what I do know is that within hours of this woman being the subject of a prank call she has been found dead in an apparent suicide. Whilst one would think that these circumstances would in themselves not trigger a suicide they could take someone on the edge past the tipping point. I've always found these radio prank calls unfunny and self-indulgent, and so the possibility that they have contributed to a husband being widowed and two children losing their mother is quite serious. Right now, I find it reasonable to conclude that it may have been a contributory factor (put another way, if she hadn't been duped would she still be alive) so I'm happy to cut the BBC some slack.

[Pretty Boy]

If it was suicide its tragic.

Suppose anyone would struggle with having the whole world laughing at you. If there was some underlying mental health issue perhaps the straw that broke the camels back?

[Phil D. Rolls]

This does not add up , people should not be so quick to accuse the pranksters . Everybody has pranked someone in some sort of form naw ? There has to be more to the woman taking her own life other than this prank call. Of course maybe the prank call has been the straw for her.

Very good point.


Fair enough. I also know next to nothing about this case, but what I do know is that within hours of this woman being the subject of a prank call she has been found dead in an apparent suicide. Whilst one would think that these circumstances would in themselves not trigger a suicide they could take someone on the edge past the tipping point. I've always found these radio prank calls unfunny and self-indulgent, and so the possibility that they have contributed to a husband being widowed and two children losing their mother is quite serious. Right now, I find it reasonable to conclude that it may have been a contributory factor (put another way, if she hadn't been duped would she still be alive) so I'm happy to cut the BBC some slack.

For me pranks are stupid things, but I can see how they can be fun for others. I think what happened here is that they didn't think it through.

[yeezus.]

i wonder how the smart ersed dj's are feeling now, ****s, what a damn shame for that nurse

:agree: I hope they stop and think about this - the DJ's were gloating for days after it.

Such a sad story.

[hibsbollah]

:agree: I hope they stop and think about this - the DJ's were gloating for days after it.

Such a sad story.


There will obviously be a feeding frenzy after these Australian DJs, but we should be careful making a load of assumptions about cause and effect. There may be an underlying mental health issue (well by definition in a suicide case there must be i suppose).

[Scouse Hibee]

I dont know jack about this tragic case, but what i do know is within hours of this woman being found we are being told by a top royal reporter how and why she died before even a post mortem has been carried out.

As we are told every day about road traffic accidents etc so don't really see your point.

[Jonnyboy]

This does not add up , people should not be so quick to accuse the pranksters . Everybody has pranked someone in some sort of form naw ? There has to be more to the woman taking her own life other than this prank call. Of course maybe the prank call has been the straw for her.

That doesn't add up either and is purely conjecture on your part IMO. IF she has taken her life and IF it was because of that call then who knows what pressures she felt or suffered?

[easty]

For me pranks are stupid things, but I can see how they can be fun for others. I think what happened here is that they didn't think it through.

I'm sure they thought through what they were doing/going to do thoroughly before actually doing it. I don't think anyone, when thinking through the possible consequences of a prank, would ever think it could lead to something quite so tragic.

I noticed on the news that they said that the nurse hadnt been facing any disciplinary or suspension, which I thought was quite right, but I was still a little surprised.

[yeezus.]

There will obviously be a feeding frenzy after these Australian DJs, but we should be careful making a load of assumptions about cause and effect. There may be an underlying mental health issue (well by definition in a suicide case there must be i suppose).

Yeah I think that is very likely.

[stoneyburn hibs]

That doesn't add up either and is purely conjecture on your part IMO. IF she has taken her life and IF it was because of that call then who knows what pressures she felt or suffered?

You have not really added to anything that i have already said really. As for the pranksters , should they be subject to the abuse they are now getting as a result of a lighthearted radio prank ?, they will be sacked from their jobs no doubt given the internet furore. How will that effect them? Lets kill Robin Galloway.

[Scouse Hibee]

You have not really added to anything that i have already said really. As for the pranksters , should they be subject to the abuse they are now getting as a result of a lighthearted radio prank ?, they will be sacked from their jobs no doubt given the internet furore. How will that effect them? Lets kill Robin Galloway.

:rolleyes:

[stoneyburn hibs]

:rolleyes:

Rolleyes aw ye want , im making a point, what is yours ?

[Scouse Hibee]

Rolleyes aw ye want , im making a point, what is yours ?

I thought it was fairly obvious but hey ho I suppose it depends on your take on it.

[Jonnyboy]

You have not really added to anything that i have already said really. As for the pranksters , should they be subject to the abuse they are now getting as a result of a lighthearted radio prank ?, they will be sacked from their jobs no doubt given the internet furore. How will that effect them? Lets kill Robin Galloway.

I wasn't really trying to add anything to your point. Rather I was offering an alternative one. I haven't called for the pranksters to be punished or for Robin Galloway to be killed :wink: I just felt you were making an uninformed leap in assuming there 'must have been more to it" to make her do what she's done. We don't know that do we?

[Phil D. Rolls]

I'm sure they thought through what they were doing/going to do thoroughly before actually doing it. I don't think anyone, when thinking through the possible consequences of a prank, would ever think it could lead to something quite so tragic.

I noticed on the news that they said that the nurse hadnt been facing any disciplinary or suspension, which I thought was quite right, but I was still a little surprised.

If they had thought it through, they would have considered the impact on a nurse's career that giving out confidential information to someone who is not entitled to receive it would have.

I'm sure people that make prank calls to the fire brigade don't really think about the implications of their actions.

Put it this way, if they knew the woman could be sacked, or lose her registration, they were just being nasty. I prefer to think they were just dumbasses.

[easty]

If they had thought it through, they would have considered the impact on a nurse's career that giving out confidential information to someone who is not entitled to receive it would have.

I'm sure people that make prank calls to the fire brigade don't really think about the implications of their actions.

Put it this way, if they knew the woman could be sacked, or lose her registration, they were just being nasty. I prefer to think they were just dumbasses.

Making a prank call like the one by the radio show and making a prank call to the fire brigade are very different.

I'd agree that they were just dumbasses, when I first heard the prank phonecall I thought it was just a bit ****.

[GhostofBolivar]

Virtually every story I've seen about this has led with the how the Duke and Duchess feel about it. It's almost like the poor woman is an afterthought.

[harpo]

As we are told every day about road traffic accidents etc so don't really see your point.

When someone dies in a road traffic accident although the initial death may be reported it can take days for the press to release details of the victim, especially the cause of the accident and the cause of death, which cant be determined until there is a post mortem. Yet in a high profile case like this we have a chief reporter telling us within hours of the womans death how and why she died.

My point is this, the reporter may be wrong so shouldn't be jumping to conclusions, it is irresposible and misleading and may be hurtful, disrespectful and damaging to the womans family.

Wait until the police do their job, thats all im saying.

[Jones28]

Really tragic thing to happen, but we don't know the facts, nor do the police, nor the BBC. There may well have been an underlying issue, or it may just have been out of (totally unfair) shameput upon her, but don't speculate until the facts are reported.

It's not fair to blame the pranksters however, does anyone think they did it with serious thought to getting through? Aussie culture is different and extremely comfortable with this kind of thing - it was not done to humiliate or demeen anyone, it was just a harmless prank call. Everyone who has never made a prank call raise your hand...:rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

I think it's very unlikely that the prank call caused this death.

The woman answered the phone then passed it to a more senior colleague.

[Skanko79]

That tool of a man robin galloway does it every day and for some reason folk find it funny.

If im being honest i really dont think this suicide was caused by this prank but i guess we will never know.

[Hibbyradge]

I posted similar in the PM discussion, but thought it was relevant here too.

I was taken aback when I heard about the poor woman's death, but I think that the people who are attacking pranksters are massively overreacting.

Pranks and innocent hoaxes have been part of society for ever. Apart from causing mild embarrassment, they're harmless and sometimes even funny.

The same people who are attacking the DJ's for daring to play a trick involving an over-privileged woman, with a chequered past, doing what hundreds of thousands of woman do every year (Thanks Beefster) will, no doubt, have heartily laughed at shows like Noel Edmond's "Gotcha's", Game for a Laugh and Beadles About.

The DJ's weren't doing anything wrong or else they would have hidden their actions. Had the Daily Mail or the Sun done something like this to get information, we probably wouldn't have even heard about it.

What if it was a terrorist, or a stalker or any of the other 57 varieties of radges out there trying to con their way into the hospital?

If people really have the need to apportion blame, it should be laid firmly at the door of the Hospital, who clearly didn't have suitable procedures in place, or if they did, they failed to inform their staff.

[Dinkydoo]

I think it's very unlikely that the prank call caused this death.

The woman answered the phone then passed it to a more senior colleague.

Nodding head smilie.

[Betty Boop]

I posted similar in the PM discussion, but thought it was relevant here too.

I was taken aback when I heard about the poor woman's death, but I think that the people who are attacking pranksters are massively overreacting.

Pranks and innocent hoaxes have been part of society for ever. Apart from causing mild embarrassment, they're harmless and sometimes even funny.

The same people who are attacking the DJ's for daring to play a trick involving an over-privileged woman, with a chequered past, doing what hundreds of thousands of woman do every year (Thanks Beefster) will, no doubt, have heartily laughed at shows like Noel Edmond's "Gotcha's", Game for a Laugh and Beadles About.

The DJ's weren't doing anything wrong or else they would have hidden their actions. Had the Daily Mail or the Sun done something like this to get information, we probably wouldn't have even heard about it.

What if it was a terrorist, or a stalker or any of the other 57 varieties of radges out there trying to con their way into the hospital?

If people really have the need to apportion blame, it should be laid firmly at the door of the Hospital, who clearly didn't have suitable procedures in place, or if they did, they failed to inform their staff.


:top marks Sense at last.

[heretoday]

It sounds like the nurse has wildly overreacted to a prank which gave her some embarrassment but would all be forgotten about in a short time. After all, she was very well thought of at work (apparently) so she would hardly be likely to lose her job over it. She must have had some mental problems if she took her life in this situation. She has two kids for god's sake. I expect the press hacks will find out more in days to come.

It's true about the hospital though. When a royal is in situ you would think they'd have a procedure for screening all calls pertaining to them. The management suits were certainly quick to get their statement read outside the hospital yesterday which suggests a smidgeon of guilt methinks.

[Hibercelona]

Suicide? Sorry, but this stinks to high heavens.

She made a mistake, she felt embarrassed about it. But suicidal over it? :confused:

It just doesn't fit right.

[lapsedhibee]

Suicide? Sorry, but this stinks to high heavens.

She made a mistake, she felt embarrassed about it. But suicidal over it? :confused:

It just doesn't fit right.

What's your alternative theory? Phil The Greek did it, like he did for Dodi Fayed?

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I posted similar in the PM discussion, but thought it was relevant here too.

I was taken aback when I heard about the poor woman's death, but I think that the people who are attacking pranksters are massively overreacting.

Pranks and innocent hoaxes have been part of society for ever. Apart from causing mild embarrassment, they're harmless and sometimes even funny.

The same people who are attacking the DJ's for daring to play a trick involving an over-privileged woman, with a chequered past, doing what hundreds of thousands of woman do every year (Thanks Beefster) will, no doubt, have heartily laughed at shows like Noel Edmond's "Gotcha's", Game for a Laugh and Beadles About.

The DJ's weren't doing anything wrong or else they would have hidden their actions. Had the Daily Mail or the Sun done something like this to get information, we probably wouldn't have even heard about it.

What if it was a terrorist, or a stalker or any of the other 57 varieties of radges out there trying to con their way into the hospital?

If people really have the need to apportion blame, it should be laid firmly at the door of the Hospital, who clearly didn't have suitable procedures in place, or if they did, they failed to inform their staff.


:top marks

The Windsor family lives on publicity. This was a 'good news' story and it seems they just couldn't wait to get it into the media. What they or their PR/publicity squad don't seem to have considered is just this sort of thing happening - surely they should have had appropriate security measures in place to filter calls? It's not rocket science to have a password, or arrange for the hospital to call back to the Palace to verify an inquiry?

(Try to telephone your local NHS hospital to ask about a patient and I think you'll find that ward staff are extremely good at very politely saying absolutely nothing.)

It doesn't sound as if the ward staff here had any idea how to deal with this sort of call. I would have thought that in a VERY expensive private hospital that would be one of the first things the staff would be taught.

Nor do I quite believe the line that neither the hospital nor the Windsors reacted negatively against the nurses about the call - they WOULD say that now, wouldn't they? No disciplinary action? No complaint? Aye, right. :rolleyes:

[VickMackie]

I'm just surprised she didn't lock herself in a suitcase.

[snooky]

Awful thing to happen which was obviously just a bit of fun.

Personally, I don't find these kind of pranks are funny in the slightest.

[Hibercelona]

What's your alternative theory? Phil The Greek did it, like he did for Dodi Fayed?

Well lets see...

Somebody blabs out personal information about a royal family member to the wrong person, then is found dead several hours later. :rolleyes:

[lapsedhibee]

Well lets see...

Somebody blabs out personal information about a royal family member to the wrong person, then is found dead several hours later. :rolleyes:

Think this theory might be slightly weakened by the inconvenient fact that the person who blabbed what you call "information" is still alive.

Who do you think would have ordered the hit?

[Beefster]

I'm just surprised she didn't lock herself in a suitcase.


Well lets see...

Somebody blabs out personal information about a royal family member to the wrong person, then is found dead several hours later. :rolleyes:

I love conspiracy theories, me. Jimmy Hoffa is going to be at the bottom of this, mark my words.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I love conspiracy theories, me. Jimmy Hoffa is going to be at the bottom of this, mark my words.

He has to be at the bottom of something.

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He has to be at the bottom of something.


The Florida Everglades?

[JimBHibees]

:top marks

The Windsor family lives on publicity. This was a 'good news' story and it seems they just couldn't wait to get it into the media. What they or their PR/publicity squad don't seem to have considered is just this sort of thing happening - surely they should have had appropriate security measures in place to filter calls? It's not rocket science to have a password, or arrange for the hospital to call back to the Palace to verify an inquiry?

(Try to telephone your local NHS hospital to ask about a patient and I think you'll find that ward staff are extremely good at very politely saying absolutely nothing.)

It doesn't sound as if the ward staff here had any idea how to deal with this sort of call. I would have thought that in a VERY expensive private hospital that would be one of the first things the staff would be taught.

Nor do I quite believe the line that neither the hospital nor the Windsors reacted negatively against the nurses about the call - they WOULD say that now, wouldn't they? No disciplinary action? No complaint? Aye, right. :rolleyes:

Agree they would have been put through the wringer IMO.

[Phil D. Rolls]

The Florida Everglades?

A flyover in New Jersey was foremost in my thoughts.

[(((Fergus)))]

Virtually every story I've seen about this has led with the how the Duke and Duchess feel about it. It's almost like the poor woman is an afterthought.

The media are merely catering for their customers. There are something like 5000 suicides in the UK each year. If it wasn't for her connection to the Royal Family ("celebrities"), she wouldn't even be an afterthought.

[Apocalypso]

Morrissey's take on it. :agree:

http://pitchfork.com/news/48902-echo-chamber-morrisseys-hatred-for-the-british-royal-family-knows-no-bounds/

[Future17]

Morrissey's take on it. :agree:

http://pitchfork.com/news/48902-echo-chamber-morrisseys-hatred-for-the-british-royal-family-knows-no-bounds/

What a ****.

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A flyover in New Jersey was foremost in my thoughts.


That would be nice - his buddies in the Teamsters driving over him, under him, past him day by day ....

Kinda brings a lump to the throat.

[HibsMax]

Personally, I don't find these kind of pranks are funny in the slightest.

Each to their own but aren't you painting with a broad brush? I find some pranks hilarious, others are "meh". It really depends on the actual prank...which is maybe what you meant by "these kind of pranks".


I think this whole thing is very tragic but to blame the woman's death / suicide on the DJs is, IMO, preposterous. Perhaps we can tie back the prank to the cause but that can only be determined if she left a note or told someone. If there was a note or if she had told someone I feel as though that information would have been leaked by now. What the DJs did might not be everyone's cup of tea but it's not exactly malicious behaviour.

Sorry to go off topic and I don't mean to detract from this incident but here is an example of a prank (not really a prank but an example of where the I think the media is absolutely to blame) -- LINK (http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20105369,00.html).

[Hibbyradge]

I guess the folk who dislike pranks didn't enjoy Ali G or Borat or You've been framed etc etc etc.

[lapsedhibee]

I think this whole thing is very tragic but to blame the woman's death / suicide on the DJs is, IMO, preposterous. Perhaps we can tie back the prank to the cause but that can only be determined if she left a note or told someone. If there was a note or if she had told someone I feel as though that information would have been leaked by now.

Evening Standard has reported that there was a note.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/kate-middleton/9737851/Duchess-of-Cambridge-hoax-call-nurse-Jacintha-Saldanha-wrote-suicide-note-before-killing-herself.html

[(((Fergus)))]

I guess the folk who dislike pranks didn't enjoy Ali G or Borat or You've been framed etc etc etc.

Ali G etc. doesn't use a hidden camera/mic and gets consent beforehand. Dom Joly, apparently, gets consent afterwards (and probably has to pay for it).

[HibsMax]

Ali G etc. doesn't use a hidden camera/mic and gets consent beforehand. Dom Joly, apparently, gets consent afterwards (and probably has to pay for it).

I didn't know this. All the Ali G stuff I saw, I thought it was real but all the guests were in on it beforehand? That makes it much less funny. I thought it was comedy gold, not scripted none sense.

[HibsMax]

Evening Standard has reported that there was a note.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/kate-middleton/9737851/Duchess-of-Cambridge-hoax-call-nurse-Jacintha-Saldanha-wrote-suicide-note-before-killing-herself.html

It will be interesting to see the contents of that note.

[Hibbyradge]

Ali G etc. doesn't use a hidden camera/mic and gets consent beforehand. Dom Joly, apparently, gets consent afterwards (and probably has to pay for it).

Not so.

Borat was all pranks, played on unsuspecting victims.

[(((Fergus)))]

Not so.

Borat was all pranks, played on unsuspecting victims.

Borat was all setups with specific people/groups who signed a release form and were paid in cash before the interview/prank.

[Elephant Stone]

I'm with Morrissey on this one. There's been pressure applied from a high place, either our dear Royal family or the press, probably both.

[HibsMax]

Borat was all setups with specific people/groups who signed a release form and were paid in cash before the interview/prank.

That is marginally better than pouncing on unsuspecting victims but I don't think his "guests" knew what to expect.

I know we're getting a little off track here though. I can't say "fact" but in my opinion I think that suicide (or murder) is definitely the absolute worst conceivable reaction to being the subject of a prank. Should we therefore say that all pranks are dangerous and should be arbitrarily outlawed? I don't think so. It's like everything else with an element of risk associated with it. Driving your car every day carries a risk but do people stop driving? Perhaps an extreme example. This is a football forum so how about a football example? Lets say someone posted a video on YouTube of a fan crying after a tough loss. That fan then reacts badly to the embarrassment and kills himself. Would you blame the person for posting the video? Same thing, right? Public humiliation.

I think that at the end of the day this is just an example of everything lining up in just the wrong way and tragically a woman is no longer around.

[Hibbyradge]

Borat was all setups with specific people/groups who signed a release form and were paid in cash before the interview/prank.

Not so.

Some refused to be shown and some sued.

[Elephant Stone]

I guess the folk who dislike pranks didn't enjoy Ali G or Borat or You've been framed etc etc etc.

No one could have expected this outcome but given who was involved and the level of worldwide attention on the hospital it wasn't totally unforeseeable that at the very least she could have got in serious bother or have lost her job, it was a cruel and callous thing to do.

[Hibbyradge]

No one could have expected this outcome but given who was involved and the level of worldwide attention on the hospital it wasn't totally unforeseeable that at the very least she could have got in serious bother or have lost her job, it was a cruel and callous thing to do.

It was neither cruel nor callous. It was an obvious joke which should have been destined to fail at the first hurdle. That's what the DJ's expected to happen.

The woman put the call through, but the hospital should have had better protocols in place.

[HibsMax]

No one could have expected this outcome but given who was involved and the level of worldwide attention on the hospital it wasn't totally unforeseeable that at the very least she could have got in serious bother or have lost her job, it was a cruel and callous thing to do.

Um. If she could have gotten into serious bother then should she not have done her job and refused to connect the call? If someone called me at work and asked for confidential information I would deny them. If I gave out that information then I have to expect the worst.

Do we even know WHY she killed herself yet?

[Elephant Stone]

It was neither cruel nor callous. It was an obvious joke which should have been destined to fail at the first hurdle. That's what the DJ's expected to happen.

The woman put the call through, but the hospital should have had better protocols in place.
It was cruel and callous, the world's media was watching, the hospital staff would have been under immence pressure, a slip up could easily have led to a lost job. What happened coudn't have been foreseen but someone losing a job easily could have.


Um. If she could have gotten into serious bother then should she not have done her job and refused to connect the call? If someone called me at work and asked for confidential information I would deny them. If I gave out that information then I have to expect the worst.

Do we even know WHY she killed herself yet?

I think had it actually been the queen and she refused the call she would have got into bother either way, don't you? Can you honestly imagine having to tell the Queen, head of state, that they can't talk to her over the phone? I think you'd be liable to bend normal procedure in the event that the Queen phones.

[Hibbyradge]

It was cruel and callous, the world's media was watching, the hospital staff would have been under immence pressure, a slip up could easily have led to a lost job. What happened coudn't have been foreseen but someone losing a job easily could have.



I think had it actually been the queen and she refused the call she would have got into bother either way, don't you? Can you honestly imagine having to tell the Queen, head of state, that they can't talk to her over the phone? I think you'd be liable to bend normal procedure in the event that the Queen phones.

The woman who took her own life merely passed a call through to another nurse. She wouldn't have lost her job for that, unless there were strict protocols in place which she didn't follow.

Indeed, I imagine not giving any information out and passing the call on would be exactly the right things to do. Also, there was no attempt to access confidential information.

I also don't believe that someone would get into trouble for refusing to give patient information over the phone to someone saying they were the queen. She is surrounded by bodyguards 24/7 and has her every communication protected. She would fully understand, and be grateful for, fastidiously protective hospital staff.

The second nurse obviously just believed it was the queen, and up to a point I can understand why that would be the case, but how she didn't pick up immediately that it wasn't, I'll never know.

There were a few clues, ffs!

For a start, does anyone seriously think the queen would phone a hospital herself to ask what the visiting hours were? It was 5.00 am. She talked about feeding the corgi's? She called her son Charles, "Prince"? And the classic, "What would be a good time to visit because I'm the queen and I'll need to get a lift"?

Cruel and callous? Oh come one!

The entire call was just silly and designed with the intention that they would be found out.

[HibsMax]

It was cruel and callous, the world's media was watching, the hospital staff would have been under immence pressure, a slip up could easily have led to a lost job. What happened coudn't have been foreseen but someone losing a job easily could have.



I think had it actually been the queen and she refused the call she would have got into bother either way, don't you? Can you honestly imagine having to tell the Queen, head of state, that they can't talk to her over the phone? I think you'd be liable to bend normal procedure in the event that the Queen phones.

Was the worlds media watching? Maybe other people did hear about it before she died but the first I heard about it was after her reported death.

And I honestly believe the queen has other ways of getting through other than calling the main number.

[Hibs Class]

Was the worlds media watching? Maybe other people did hear about it before she died but the first I heard about it was after her reported death.

And I honestly believe the queen has other ways of getting through other than calling the main number.

Kate being in hospital was widely reported, then the hoax call was also widely reported (at least in UK), then came the suicide

[Elephant Stone]

Was the worlds media watching?
Yup, don't know why, but yup.


And I honestly believe the queen has other ways of getting through other than calling the main number.
Me too, but I could foresee someone not thinking totally rationally if they thought the queen might be on the line.

[HibsMax]

Kate being in hospital was widely reported, then the hoax call was also widely reported (at least in UK), then came the suicide

Right, I knew about Kate being in hospital. I didn't know about the hoax call though. Not until after. Maybe it was reported beforehand but I missed it.

[HibsMax]

Yup, don't know why, but yup.


Me too, but I could foresee someone not thinking totally rationally if they thought the queen might be on the line.

Agreed, I can imagine someone doing that (she did!) but it seems like a stupid thing to do. It's easy me sitting here and typing away but I feel that I would rather err on the side of caution and suffer the consequences afterwards. If there was any chance that the queen was going to call then I would think everyone would be well prepared.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

No one could have expected this outcome but given who was involved and the level of worldwide attention on the hospital it wasn't totally unforeseeable that at the very least she could have got in serious bother or have lost her job, it was a cruel and callous thing to do.

She only put the call through, it was down to someone else to either release/withold the details.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I guess the folk who dislike pranks didn't enjoy Ali G or Borat or You've been framed etc etc etc.

Fair comment, I loved Ali G and Trigger Happy TV. I think that sometimes a prank can get someone else into trouble though, so it should be thought about. Most of Ali G's targets were people who were so up themselves they really needed some reality orientation.

[Phil D. Rolls]

It was neither cruel nor callous. It was an obvious joke which should have been destined to fail at the first hurdle. That's what the DJ's expected to happen.

The woman put the call through, but the hospital should have had better protocols in place.

At the end of the day, it was the responsibility of the nurse giving out the information to check who she was speaking to. :agree:

[Phil D. Rolls]

So the time comes when this pair need to go to hospital.

Nurse> It's bad news I'm afraid, you've got a week to live, and you are a silly twat! (Relaaaax mate, I made some of that up).

Yep, that would be some wind up.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Eh?

[Beefster]

Ali G etc. doesn't use a hidden camera/mic and gets consent beforehand.


Borat was all setups with specific people/groups who signed a release form and were paid in cash before the interview/prank.

Sorry, these statements are misleading. The participants sign a contract promising not to sue etc but are not aware that they are being hoaxed and that Ali G / Borat are not 'real'.