Depression and anxiety

[CropleyWasGod]

So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

Hibs.net survey?

[patch1875]

So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

Hibs.net survey?

I’ve just gone back on amitriptyline. Even though I don’t feel particularly stressed or anxious I can’t seem to disengage my brain if anything I’m anxious about being anxious.

I’ve used it before with no major issues in a low dose hoping it will help me relax a bit as my muscles are aching and I’ve been waking up at times with clenched fists even my tongue feels tense!

Good I see it supposed to be one of the better ones!

[CropleyWasGod]

My particular grouch with this survey is that there is a very narrow question being set, ie "do they ease depression?".

Other questions which need to be addressed are:-

To what extent do the side-effects affect one's life? (in my case, increased cholesterol made it a risk not worth taking)

To what extent are other, non-pharmacological, treatments more or less successful?

That said, the fact that the media has been full of this survey this morning is very welcome. People feeling comfortable enough (as on here) to tell their stories can only be a good thing. Moan the nutters....:flag:

[stu in nottingham]

I was quite surprised to hear a Professor on the radio this morning say something like, 'that's it, we can now close the book on whether anti-depressant medication is effective'.

Defer to this gent's knowledge but for me that is not how science and research works. It's only a part of the body of knowledge on the subject and not definitive forever and ever. Knowledge becomes challenged, and discredited all the time.

My initial thoughts are that I'm a bit concerned that people will buy into what, in fairness on the exterior, looks like a convincing piece of research and see that as the easy answer. It is never as simple as that, much though we would like it to be.

[Sylar]

I was quite surprised to hear a Professor on the radio this morning say something like, 'that's it, we can now close the book on whether anti-depressant medication is effective'.

Defer to this gent's knowledge but for me that is not how science and research works. It's only a part of the body of knowledge on the subject and not definitive forever and ever. Knowledge becomes challenged, and discredited all the time.

My initial thoughts are that I'm a bit concerned that people will buy into what, in fairness on the exterior, looks like a convincing piece of research and see that as the easy answer. It is never as simple as that, much though we would like it to be.

There's the odd publication out there that "debunks" climate change. Point being, big declarations and standpoints require on pretty much universal consensus, and one piece of research merely contributes to part of a wider chain of evidence, oftentimes being proven to be nonsense, or hugely flawed.

If he's genuinely suggesting one test closes the book on a debate, he should be stripped of his professorship and seriously challenged by his peers, and employers.

[stu in nottingham]

There's the odd publication out there that "debunks" climate change. Point being, big declarations and standpoints require on pretty much universal consensus, and one piece of research merely contributes to part of a wider chain of evidence, oftentimes being proven to be nonsense, or hugely flawed.

Yes indeed - exactly my point. That was why I was slightly taken back at his words.

[Dalianwanda]

So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

Hibs.net survey?

It’s a joke!? Yes the can ease the emotion & numb thinking but they do nothing to change the persons relationship with thought and emotion which creates depressive thinking patterns. Depression/anxiety can only be overcome by a change of thought, nothing more nothing less. I wonder who sponsored the research?

[CropleyWasGod]

It’s a joke!? Yes the can ease the emotion & numb thinking but they do nothing to change the persons relationship with thought and emotion which creates depressive thinking patterns. Depression/anxiety can only be overcome by a change of thought, nothing more nothing less. I wonder who sponsored the research?

To be fair to the author of the study, he did say this, although you have to search for it:-

"Medication should always be considered alongside other options, such as psychological therapies, where these are available,"

On the "sponsorship" question, he also said this:-

"Importantly, the paper analyses unpublished data held by pharmaceutical companies, and shows that the funding of studies by these companies does not influence the result, thus confirming that the clinical usefulness of these drugs is not affected by pharma-sponsored spin."

[Dalianwanda]

To be fair to the author of the study, he did say this, although you have to search for it:-

"Medication should always be considered alongside other options, such as psychological therapies, where these are available,"

On the "sponsorship" question, he also said this:-

"Importantly, the paper analyses unpublished data held by pharmaceutical companies, and shows that the funding of studies by these companies does not influence the result, thus confirming that the clinical usefulness of these drugs is not affected by pharma-sponsored spin."

With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be working on (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

(as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)

[CropleyWasGod]

With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be analysing (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

(as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)

Totally agree with you, of course... but, probably like you, it's the "headline culture" that annoys me here. "The drugs work", so let's not bother with any expensive quackery.

[Dalianwanda]

Totally agree with you, of course... but, probably like you, it's the "headline culture" that annoys me here. "The drugs work", so let's not bother with any expensive quackery.

On a positive, for some people the headline might act as a placebo effect. Believing they will work could have a positive effect. It still keeps them looking externally for solutions though.

[Greenworld]

I have tried various councilling methods over the years which have been very good but only lasted maybe a year before I relapsed.
Drastic action from me was leaving the work place ..removing myself from large groups and generally deciding that whatever triggered my anxiety I was not going to do again.
Now that's all good but not really practical so I started taking citalopram . Now for me this was a marked change in my life I felt in control and could finally move start work and be confident.
I was wrong ..
they did help a lot but I still needed to address and cut out the triggers along with the drugs life is good but not everyone can do what I did it's Drastic but I'm here and enjoying life

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[wpj]

Been an awful couple of months with illness, bereavement and divorce, don't just rain eh! Still doing what I can to keep the head above water

[patch1875]

Been an awful couple of months with illness, bereavement and divorce, don't just rain eh! Still doing what I can to keep the head above water

Hopefully things get better.

Trying to keep my anxiety under control we had an attempted break in last week while we slept so constantly on edge.

[barcahibs]

So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

Hibs.net survey?

As usual with media stories on anti depressants i don't think it's as simple as they've made it out. I do an ocassional mental health blog and touched on this - along with the Compassionate Frome Project

https://cumbernauldlivinglandscape.org.uk/little-compassion-lots-tea/

[Betty Boop]

Anybody tried Magnesium to lift their mood ? I've been taking it for a few months now,and and feel a lot better,

[hibsbollah]

So the drugs do work, apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43143889

Hibs.net survey?

Im flabbergasted by that report. The message the BBC are giving is so simplified as to be dangerous to public health.

In the 'drugs that are most effective' column they have included paroxetine ie-paxil, or seroxat. I was put on seroxat a number of years ago and i had a serious reaction to it, it was far worse than the depression i was given it for. Ive spoken to health professionals and read journals and its not well thought of in general, hence the fact they dont prescribe it for adolescents anymore. IIRC someone else on here also went through hell with it. GSK allegedly knew about the issues and covered them up. But i know it HAS worked for some people. The drug that eventually did sort me out IS also on the 'effective list', its still quite rarely prescribed because its expensive. But i wouldnt consider 'recommending' it to anyone, just because I know from experience that drug A can be a disaster for one person and a godsend for another. Its just stupid to try to make a 'league table' of good uns and bad uns.

[patch1875]

Anybody tried Magnesium to lift their mood ? I've been taking it for a few months now,and and feel a lot better,

I take it along with St Johns wort not sure it helps my mood but I certainly sleep better.

[One Day Soon]

Anybody tried Magnesium to lift their mood ? I've been taking it for a few months now,and and feel a lot better,

I have, in two week bursts every so often. Certainly felt less tired, more energetic, which in itself probably helped to lift mood. I now take Vitamin D supplements all year round. There's no question in my mind that if I slip at all on the big three of sleep, regular eating and regular exercise i'm asking for trouble.

[Captain Trips]

I have depression and take Citalopram, mine is more over analysing things and deciding on the worst outcome.

Often we are all wrong when we worried about something but it's that one time you were right that justifies it all. I have to say my confidence boosted and I do feel better.

[CAMHFC]

With any of my clients I would never discourage the use of them, if thats whats prescribed go with them.

Its when they talk about reducing the symptoms it really annoys me. Its not the symptoms they should be working on (Im sure you know all this). Its like scooping the froth off a boiling pan. You keep scooping but if the pans still on the heat its gonna keep boiling.

(as I type this I feel a bit of a hypocrite as Im sometimes sponsored by a pharma company to go out and speak to GPs/Drs/anaesthetist ect about the relationship we have with our thoughts & how it can help patient recovery)

:agree: Medications only deal with the symptoms - finding the cause, which for me, was found going right back to my early childhood (the fear of being abandoned and rejected by my mother). Through Cognitive Analytical Therapy [CAT] and weekly attendance of Al-anon meetings have guided me into making crucial life changes to recover.

Today, I still have moments when I feel anxious - usually at a time when I worry about how someone is going to feel about what I am going to change about myself - then I say to myself that I need to do whats best for me. The anxiety goes and my mind is clear.

Meditation is great too for me. I got a copy of a book by Louise Hay called "You Can Heal Your Life". The exercises and meditations she has in that book have given me the freedom to be true to myself which has took the depression away.

Great thread and thanks to eveyone who has posted for their honesty and strength. The truth sets us free!:thumbsup::hibees

[wpj]

Bumping this thread after reading the Keatings thread on the MB. Been a real help for me and others

[AgentDaleCooper]

Just a thought, but might it be worth adding OCD into the title? It's a very misunderstood condition, and very under-diagnosed as a result. It is also absolutely brutal, particularly the intrusive thoughts. I was completely floored by it 3 years ago, but am pretty much recovered after going tbrough psychiatry, psychology and ocupational health.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primarily_obsessional_obsessive_compulsive_disorde r

[hibby6270]

Bumping this thread after reading the Keatings thread on the MB. Been a real help for me and others

Just read the article about Keatings in today’s Sunday Mail. My heart genuinely goes out to him.
He’s been in such a bad place mentally in the last 12-15 months by the sound of it. It’s so difficult to come to terms with. Being unable to open up and speak to a wider circle of family/friends does regrettably make the situation worse although you just don’t realise that at the time.

It was refreshing to read that he was able to confide in Jason Cummings about how he was feeling. Given Jason’s demeanour, he’s probably not the first person you’d think about to open up to. Good on you Jason!!

What isn’t so clear from the article is whether or not he said anything during his time with us. Although Neil is mentioned as having gone through similar, it doesn’t say if Neil or the club were aware or helped James in any way. I’d like to think they would have but as I said earlier, speaking up about it “in the workplace” can be seen by the individual affected as a sign of weakness and possible thoughts that his career could be affected.

So glad he has now opened up. It’s the first step to recovery and very reassuring that United are fully behind him.

[SRHibs]

Medications are a bit rubbish TBH. I’ve become so reliant on them which is sad because they tend to dilute every emotion you feel. I’ll never feel like crying on them, conversely I’ll never have a really great laugh at something. I will find things funny but any reaction almost feels like it has to be forced.

I did try coming off of them (albeit a bit too hastily) and after the initial 2 days of feeling positive, I started to feel my old demons coming back. Have started a slow taper in another attempt to get clean.

For anyone considering medication, they definitely can be helpful, however depending on the severity of your illness I’d look to exhaust other options first.

[LustForLeith]

Has anyone gone through this..?

I did my best to battle depression with the aid of medication and support groups.

Now I feel fine, like almost back to normal.

But before where I really didn’t care what happened now it’s a complete turnaround and I’m in such a good mood I’m worried about what will happen to me and/or love ones?

It’s like I’ve gone from one end to the other!

[CropleyWasGod]

Has anyone gone through this..?

I did my best to battle depression with the aid of medication and support groups.

Now I feel fine, like almost back to normal.

But before where I really didn’t care what happened now it’s a complete turnaround and I’m in such a good mood I’m worried about what will happen to me and/or love ones?

It’s like I’ve gone from one end to the other!I'd celebrate the fact that you can now feel for others, rather than being stuck in that rut of battling your own issues. That's a big step forward IMO.

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[SRHibs]

Has anyone gone through this..?

I did my best to battle depression with the aid of medication and support groups.

Now I feel fine, like almost back to normal.

But before where I really didn’t care what happened now it’s a complete turnaround and I’m in such a good mood I’m worried about what will happen to me and/or love ones?

It’s like I’ve gone from one end to the other!


Yeah, I was worried I was bipolar a few months ago; was in such a good mood for weeks that I was at the point of self-diagnosing a manic episode. Turns out that’s just what it feels like to be in a good mood!

[LustForLeith]

Yeah, I was worried I was bipolar a few months ago; was in such a good mood for weeks that I was at the point of self-diagnosing a manic episode. Turns out that’s just what it feels like to be in a good mood!

Ha!

It’s just weird that it’s gone from one extreme to the next. The other extreme being for instant getting emotional when I left an empty house after rlbeingbiff with the kids at Easter. Which is weird. So know I know I’m in a better place I’m worried about things happening before they happen. Which was what it was like before.

But now I’m in a good mood it’s still being pessimistic but more so that I know the value of loved ones and even myself to others that I’m worried about that.

This makes a lot more sense in my head! Honest!

[LustForLeith]

I'd celebrate the fact that you can now feel for others, rather than being stuck in that rut of battling your own issues. That's a big step forward IMO.

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Definitely.

Before I didn’t care about others. Now I think Incaretoo much.

How to I change my user name to Goldielocks?!

[CropleyWasGod]

Definitely.

Before I didn’t care about others. Now I think Incaretoo much.

How to I change my user name to Goldielocks?!

You'll get burned :greengrin

Seriously, though, you'll find your balance. Being "happy" can be a scary place to be when you've been through the mill.....embrace it.

[LustForLeith]

You'll get burned :greengrin

Seriously, though, you'll find your balance. Being "happy" can be a scary place to be when you've been through the mill.....embrace it.

Cheers!

[MSK]

I'd celebrate the fact that you can now feel for others, rather than being stuck in that rut of battling your own issues. That's a big step forward IMO.

Sent from my SM-A510F using TapatalkIve been pretty much myself for the past couple of years now, I still have my down days but they are exactly just that & more associated with stressfull days at work.

In relation to what you say above I totally agree. A few months ago my wee Sister (47) was diagnosed with cancer, thus far battling away after her 4th session of chemo. That rocked me & set me back a bit but I had to have that inner strength & get into that train of thought that this is not about me, I have to be strong & give her the support she gave me.

Things didnt get any better. Just after we returned from Berlin for my birthday weekend my Wife was rushed to the Western General with headaches, tingling in her fingers & facial paralysis. She had suffered a stroke & was in hospital for almost two weeks.

Talk about testing mental strength !!

Had this have happened a few years back I honestly dont think I would have coped but at this point in time & with the fantastic support I have had from friends, family & of course folk on this very thread I can offer that support back.

[hibby6270]

Ive been pretty much myself for the past couple of years now, I still have my down days but they are exactly just that & more associated with stressfull days at work.

In relation to what you say above I totally agree. A few months ago my wee Sister (47) was diagnosed with cancer, thus far battling away after her 4th session of chemo. That rocked me & set me back a bit but I had to have that inner strength & get into that train of thought that this is not about me, I have to be strong & give her the support she gave me.

Things didnt get any better. Just after we returned from Berlin for my birthday weekend my Wife was rushed to the Western General with headaches, tingling in her fingers & facial paralysis. She had suffered a stroke & was in hospital for almost two weeks.

Talk about testing mental strength !!

Had this have happened a few years back I honestly dont think I would have coped but at this point in time & with the fantastic support I have had from friends, family & of course folk on this very thread I can offer that support back.

Keep your head held high mate.

If you can channel the support you’ve given you wife and sister over recent weeks into a positive thought stream, I’m sure it will help you come through what is obviously a difficult period for you and your close family.

As you say, returning the support they gave you is making you feel better within yourself even though it seems hard to do. Be as strong as you can for them. All the best.

[MSK]

Keep your head held high mate.

If you can channel the support you’ve given you wife and sister over recent weeks into a positive thought stream, I’m sure it will help you come through what is obviously a difficult period for you and your close family.

As you say, returning the support they gave you is making you feel better within yourself even though it seems hard to do. Be as strong as you can for them. All the best.Cheers mate appreciated, my Sister has a good family, her hubby, sons & daughter as well as my other two Sisters & my elder brother, after the initial shock of seeing my sister (I work in Radiology at RIE) I felt more at ease as I could talk through her procedures etc, that put her mind at ease & in a kinda way helped me cope.

My Wife is on the mend too, her stroke was a shock to us both but funnily enough, her job as an Advanced Nurse Practitioner at the RIE involves working with stroke so she has already a wealth of knowledge of it, that also kinda helped get us through the difficult first couple of weeks. Trying times ahead for the family but we are all strong & supporting each other.

[green leaves]

just posted a lengthy and probably rambling post on the Bounce.
I've been really struggling for about 18 months,I've had anxiety and panic attacks previously but time it's totally different it's almost like a fog comes down and I sink into very dark and negative thoughts.
My doctor has been brilliant along with meds she's given me some good websites.Don't think I'd ever be able to go down the therapy route but I'm giving the website a chance.

[wpj]

just posted a lengthy and probably rambling post on the Bounce.
I've been really struggling for about 18 months,I've had anxiety and panic attacks previously but time it's totally different it's almost like a fog comes down and I sink into very dark and negative thoughts.
My doctor has been brilliant along with meds she's given me some good websites.Don't think I'd ever be able to go down the therapy route but I'm giving the website a chance.

Good you have an understanding GP, that does help. Keep an open mind to therapy, like you I never thought I would talk to someone but I have now had two therapists and found them to be a real help. Sometimes just talking can help. Hope you get better, anxiety can be awful.

[21.05.2016]

Good to see Coronation Street taking on a suicide storyline. Pretty hard hitting but hopefully it gets the message out there and encourages people to seek help.

[Sylar]

This is Mental Health Awareness Week. I really hope people pay attention. I really hope many workplaces, like mine, are offering a programme of events/opportunities to aid their employees. I really hope those of us that suffer from an affliction in our mental health are brave and OK enough join the conversation and keep trying to reduce the stigma. Above all, I really hope all of us that post on this thread are doing OK just now.

I certainly find myself doing a little better just now. The sunshine helps, canning my Facebook account and being less present online and more present in the moment has helped. As has eating better, getting out into the garden (yes I'm only 32, shut it), spending more time with my wife and daughter rather than in the office or on my Xbox and even reading more.

[hibsbollah]

This is Mental Health Awareness Week. I really hope people pay attention. I really hope many workplaces, like mine, are offering a programme of events/opportunities to aid their employees. I really hope those of us that suffer from an affliction in our mental health are brave and OK enough join the conversation and keep trying to reduce the stigma. Above all, I really hope all of us that post on this thread are doing OK just now.

I certainly find myself doing a little better just now. The sunshine helps, canning my Facebook account and being less present online and more present in the moment has helped. As has eating better, getting out into the garden (yes I'm only 32, shut it), spending more time with my wife and daughter rather than in the office or on my Xbox and even reading more.

Oi! Gardening is the new rock n roll ill have you know:grr: and de rigueur with the hipster fraternity as well. And scientifically proven to do wonders for mental health.

[Stranraer]

Hibs.net saved my life.

When I was going through things really badly I used to use .net as a moaning place. Someone on here called the police who came and got me before I did something silly.

Looking back, if it weren't for this thread and .net in general I might not be here any more.

Glad to say I'm in a much better state nowadays but I owe a huge thanks to folks on here.

[hibsbollah]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5vxtHB6f0sAclKSM2FhhnM?si=VKJFB_OPTOCyygzV0An7VQ

Good stuff here from CALM. Goalies have problems too :aok:

[One Day Soon]

Oi! Gardening is the new rock n roll ill have you know:grr: and de rigueur with the hipster fraternity as well. And scientifically proven to do wonders for mental health.


When we are in agreement something in this world is either very wrong or very right.

Gardening is great for everything: you, your garden, the environment, other people, critters...

The demand for allotments is ridiculous so I'm grateful to have a decent amount of garden space. There's nothing quite like the physical and mental workout of a good session in the garden and just as good is the rewards that come later. I love growing stuff to eat and my fig and plum tree are my pride and joy. I also wade in with huge amounts of strawberries which are delicious, hugely cheaper than the often tasteless things the shops sell and very good for your physical and mental health.

Dig for victory in every sense.

[21.05.2016]

Hibs.net saved my life.

When I was going through things really badly I used to use .net as a moaning place. Someone on here called the police who came and got me before I did something silly.

Looking back, if it weren't for this thread and .net in general I might not be here any more.

Glad to say I'm in a much better state nowadays but I owe a huge thanks to folks on here.

Sorry to hear you went through such an awful period but delighted that you've finally found the light at the end of the tunnel :aok:

Forums like this can often be a good source to vent and speak to people anonymously about how your feeling. Sometimes speaking to strangers is easier than speaking to close ones.

[CropleyWasGod]

Anybody have any experience of CBD oil?

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[wpj]

Anybody have any experience of CBD oil?

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Not personally but was talking to someone who suffers anxiety attacks and he said it worked for him. I am tempted to try it myself

[CropleyWasGod]

Not personally but was talking to someone who suffers anxiety attacks and he said it worked for him. I am tempted to try it myselfI've just started taking it.

Taste is mingin...... [emoji6]

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[wpj]

I've just started taking it.

Taste is mingin...... [emoji6]

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Yea I've heard! Let us know what you think once you've tried it for a bit

[IGRIGI]

Anybody have any experience of CBD oil?

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If the expat pensioners in the south of Spain are to go by its a whale of a time, cocoon on drugs.

[lord bunberry]

I've just started taking it.

Taste is mingin...... [emoji6]

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I’m sure you’ve done plenty research before going for this, but there seems to be a hell of a lot of conflicting stories on the internet about it. Much of it appears to be about the suppliers, and the unfounded claims they’re making, and also the unscrupulous tactics they use.

[wpj]

A quick look on the internet suggests apart from Holland & Barrett it's quite expensive.

[MSK]

A quick look on the internet suggests apart from Holland & Barrett it's quite expensive.There is a company in Edinburgh that supply it, Loveburgh, theres also a shop just opened up in Leith selling CBD oil, they also offer advice/counselling etc. Ive tried to research the products but its just a minefield out there, and as you say, expensive too.

[CropleyWasGod]

Thus far, all I'm getting is a dry mouth. Brutal. [emoji52]

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[CropleyWasGod]

There is a company in Edinburgh that supply it, Loveburgh, theres also a shop just opened up in Leith selling CBD oil, they also offer advice/counselling etc. Ive tried to research the products but its just a minefield out there, and as you say, expensive too.That's who I got it from.

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[MSK]

That's who I got it from.

Sent from my SM-A520F using TapatalkLoveburgh or Leith ? I got Raw paste as an alternative, comes in a 10ml syringe & you just put a pinkie nail sized blob on your finger or on a bit of bread & consume, its absolutley ****ing vile that I gagged each time I tried it. I have a full syringe worth sitting in bottom of my locker at work that I just cant bear to use 😬

[CropleyWasGod]

Loveburgh or Leith ? I got Raw paste as an alternative, comes in a 10ml syringe & you just put a pinkie nail sized blob on your finger or on a bit of bread & consume, its absolutley ****ing vile that I gagged each time I tried it. I have a full syringe worth sitting in bottom of my locker at work that I just cant bear to use [emoji51]Sorry, Loveburgh.

I'm wondering if I can put a few drops in a drink. Might help the taste .....

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[MSK]

Sorry, Loveburgh.

I'm wondering if I can put a few drops in a drink. Might help the taste .....

Sent from my SM-A520F using TapatalkYeah the taste is the off putting thing, there must be ways around it & putting it in a drink may help. My colleague who uses Raw paste suggested putting a drop on a bit of banana as its easier to swallow, doesnt sound too bad but I would assume the liquid version may be trickier to do. I vape & Loveburgh also do a vape liquid, I wonder if thats worth trying.

[Lendo]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/8568

Posted on the main forum but clearly has a tie in with this discussion. Hopefully it serves its purpose and helps those in need.

[Shore Thing]

I agree that some cbd oils can taste ‘earthy’ to say the least!
‘LoveCBD spray’ is a lemony tasting cbd oil which comes in a handy spray. It’s £20 on the lovecbd website.
They recommend putting 2-3 drops (squirts) under your tongue and letting it be absorbed for 2 mins (supposedly if you swallow cbd oil straight away the body doesn’t absorb the cbd goodness)

I started using cbd oil nearly 2 years ago and it really helped with anxiety. Anxiety and depression seem to go hand in hand, so being able to calm the anxiety gave me a clearer view of the depression and a bit of headspace to try and navigate around the depression (an ongoing task!).

[Stranraer]

I've been struggling with my memory and getting really confused. I lost my medication the last day which led to the GP threatening to withdraw it. I feel like crap now, not been right since that appointment yesterday.

[overdrive]

A quick look on the internet suggests apart from Holland & Barrett it's quite expensive.

Sorry to hijack the thread about a very worthwhile discussion point about an issue which clearly affects many posters here, but I’m confused by the legalities of CBD oil, particularly around the current story of the wee boy with epilepsy and his mother’s efforts to get CBD oil for him being thwarted by the authorities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44504142

The discussion on here, everything I’ve read, and the fact Holland and Barrett and other shops sell the stuff suggests it’s legal here. So what’s the issue surrounding this lad and his mother?

Is it a different type of oil? Is it some sort of high strength variant? Is there an age limit?

[CropleyWasGod]

Sorry to hijack the thread about a very worthwhile discussion point about an issue which clearly affects many posters here, but I’m confused by the legalities of CBD oil, particularly around the current story of the wee boy with epilepsy and his mother’s efforts to get CBD oil for him being thwarted by the authorities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44504142

The discussion on here, everything I’ve read, and the fact Holland and Barrett and other shops sell the stuff suggests it’s legal here. So what’s the issue surrounding this lad and his mother?

Is it a different type of oil? Is it some sort of high strength variant? Is there an age limit?It's the THC component that is illegal here.

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[Leith's finest]

A few year ago now I got addicted to tramadol and 30mg cocodamal on prescription after a operation, went through a spell off thinking everbody was looking and talking about me, also hated going to work after operation recovery but still taking tablets.got to the point 8am on a Monday and could not wait till 3pm on a Friday, then dreaded going back on a Monday. Happy to say better days now though after some counciling and advice keep myself busy playing golf,darts and getting out and about, also talking to people I trust about it, I can't speak openly about it to other people I know yet and thats been about 4 years

[heidtheba]

A few year ago now I got addicted to tramadol and 30mg cocodamal on prescription after a operation, went through a spell off thinking everbody was looking and talking about me, also hated going to work after operation recovery but still taking tablets.got to the point 8am on a Monday and could not wait till 3pm on a Friday, then dreaded going back on a Monday. Happy to say better days now though after some counciling and advice keep myself busy playing golf,darts and getting out and about, also talking to people I trust about it, I can't speak openly about it to other people I know yet and thats been about 4 years

That's really interesting about the Co-codamol. It sounds like you've been through a lot and I hope things are getting better and moving, at least, in the right direction for you. I take a lot of Co-codamol for migraines (which come with their own depressive issues). The feeling of being 'off' them was indescribable, I was so much more 'level' in how I mentally spoke to myself. A few migraines, a few painkillers in and it all goes to mush again. I know they can be addictive and I know they come with a whole load of issues, but it's never really that easy is it.
Hope things get better for you quickly LF.

[I'm_cabbaged]

It's the THC component that is illegal here.

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Are you still taking it and is it working if you are?

[SRHibs]

Has anyone who’s come off anti-depressants found themselves going through slight manic phases? I’ve been off them a couple of months but still getting irrationally angry at stupid things, but also having really hyper/positive/manic periods. A little bit worrying but there’s no depression so not sure if I should just stick with it.

[heidtheba]

Has anyone who’s come off anti-depressants found themselves going through slight manic phases? I’ve been off them a couple of months but still getting irrationally angry at stupid things, but also having really hyper/positive/manic periods. A little bit worrying but there’s no depression so not sure if I should just stick with it.

I'm afraid I've no real help here, but I did come off Amitriptyline after a year of using them to stop migraines. Certainly think about these questions - How quickly did you come off them? Did a doctor or a pharmacist tell you what the side-effects would be? Are you on any other medication? Maybe keep a dot-journal to record triggers/reactions and severity of reactions.

Hope it goes well for you.

[patch1875]

I’ve just started on Duloxetine as another attempt to relieve my tension.

Halfway through week 2 and it’s been tough with a much lower mood, tiredness but the worst is I’m sweating more than Rafa Nadal was yesterday!

Not sure these drugs are for me.

[Babyshamble]

I'm currently on citalopram.works for me.anxiety is horrible.best wishes to everyone on here fighting it.

[Lendo]

Hi SR. I have a similar issue although not always about when coming off medication. The doctor suggested that I may suffer from Cyclothymia. Hope the link below works. It might be worth reading up on.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cyclothymia/ (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cyclothymia/)


Has anyone who’s come off anti-depressants found themselves going through slight manic phases? I’ve been off them a couple of months but still getting irrationally angry at stupid things, but also having really hyper/positive/manic periods. A little bit worrying but there’s no depression so not sure if I should just stick with it.

[SRHibs]

I'm afraid I've no real help here, but I did come off Amitriptyline after a year of using them to stop migraines. Certainly think about these questions - How quickly did you come off them? Did a doctor or a pharmacist tell you what the side-effects would be? Are you on any other medication? Maybe keep a dot-journal to record triggers/reactions and severity of reactions.

Hope it goes well for you.

Thanks for the well wishes.

My doctor thought it was time I came off so I tapered down. Was initially on 30, so tapered down slowly to 5mg every 2 days then came straight off.

Definitely helped with the physical withdrawal symptoms as they were very mild, but it’s just my head is a bit iffy. I think keeping a journal may help, especially if I rate the severity of my moods.

[SRHibs]

Hi SR. I have a similar issue although not always about when coming off medication. The doctor suggested that I may suffer from Cyclothymia. Hope the link below works. It might be worth reading up on.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cyclothymia/ (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cyclothymia/)

Yeah, my thought was that it could ether be a withdrawal symptom, or symptoms that my medication may have been keeping at bay. It’s hard to explain, but the manic/happy phases almost feel like chemical highs, like they’re not ‘real’. I might just be thinking too much into things though.

Will maybe discuss with my GP the next time I’m in.

[LustForLeith]

Think I’m in one of those phases where I can’t shake the feeling of being low but I have no idea what’s causing it.

Not been as active (ie walking) as much in recent weeks. Also let my emails build up from 1 unread to 16. In them is nothing to worry about and I’m a stickler for a to do list but just now feel for anything I do I need to do another two things after it

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Has anyone who’s come off anti-depressants found themselves going through slight manic phases? I’ve been off them a couple of months but still getting irrationally angry at stupid things, but also having really hyper/positive/manic periods. A little bit worrying but there’s no depression so not sure if I should just stick with it.

This has been happening to me as well... did you ever find a way to control it mate?

Reluctant to take the meds again due to certain side effects but can't say my overall mood has improved

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Think I’m in one of those phases where I can’t shake the feeling of being low but I have no idea what’s causing it.

Not been as active (ie walking) as much in recent weeks. Also let my emails build up from 1 unread to 16. In them is nothing to worry about and I’m a stickler for a to do list but just now feel for anything I do I need to do another two things after it

Also in a similar position as yourself. I used to do a bit mountain biking but lately I've just had no energy or desire to get out and do it. It's like survival mode to get through the working day and home

I know to an extent what is contributing to it but trying to get in to another mindset or way of thinking is difficult.

I've got an app called headspace which i use occasionally but can't say it's worked a treat. Has anyone else had better joy with it?

[patch1875]

Also in a similar position as yourself. I used to do a bit mountain biking but lately I've just had no energy or desire to get out and do it. It's like survival mode to get through the working day and home

I know to an extent what is contributing to it but trying to get in to another mindset or way of thinking is difficult.

I've got an app called headspace which i use occasionally but can't say it's worked a treat. Has anyone else had better joy with it?

Didn’t have much joy myself tended just to switch off listening to it or thinking about how I felt more.

I find listening to music much better really lifts my mood and a great distraction.

[hibsbollah]

I have a friend ive known for eight years. Our kids have been in the same class since nursery. He's always been the bloke I immediately have a lot in common with, and have a chat every day in the playground. Last year out of the blue he told me was signed off sick with stress, and he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore. I offered him some paid work with me to get him back into the workplace on a gradual basis and in a relaxed environment. I also told him about my similar experiences in the past, how he must get some good meds if he felt like they helped, and explore as many solutions as possible. Getting a good counsellor. Lots of exercise. relaxation. Social contact. Sleep. All that good stuff.

I genuinely enjoyed his company, we went for a pint in the Spring where we argued long and hard about the rights and wrongs of Morrissey and the Smiths, and although he didnt get signed back to work, he said he had a good counsellor and was getting somewhere with her. I saw him in the playground at the end of school term in June, and we said we need to definitely get together with our respective missuses for a pint or something to eat soon. I found out last week that he killed himself over the holidays. Ive just seen his wife, whose appearance has changed in a major way. His two kids have gone back to school without a dad. Noone knows what to do or say.


Im absolutely not posting this as a request for sympathy, or for a general chat about the sadness of the situation. I just want to make a plea that if anyone reading this thread, which i know has become a bit of a self help community in some ways, is feeling like theyve slipped off the edge, or is starting to feel suicidal thoughts, please contact someone. If you're in that position you are bound to feel like no-one cares, thats wrong. Lots of people will care about you, even if you dont realise it. Mental health services are underresourced, yes, but there will be people who will be available to help you. Speak to your GP. Get a referral to a professional. And above all, open up to someone. Just talk. **** it, you can PM me for a chat if you want , although my wisdom will be limited. Almost everyone now understands that mental health issues are no reason to fear you or stigmatise you. People will be sympathetic and want to help. Please dont leave it too late.

[One Day Soon]

I have a friend ive known for eight years. Our kids have been in the same class since nursery. He's always been the bloke I immediately have a lot in common with, and have a chat every day in the playground. Last year out of the blue he told me was signed off sick with stress, and he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore. I offered him some paid work with me to get him back into the workplace on a gradual basis and in a relaxed environment. I also told him about my similar experiences in the past, how he must get some good meds if he felt like they helped, and explore as many solutions as possible. Getting a good counsellor. Lots of exercise. relaxation. Social contact. Sleep. All that good stuff.

I genuinely enjoyed his company, we went for a pint in the Spring where we argued long and hard about the rights and wrongs of Morrissey and the Smiths, and although he didnt get signed back to work, he said he had a good counsellor and was getting somewhere with her. I saw him in the playground at the end of school term in June, and we said we need to definitely get together with our respective missuses for a pint or something to eat soon. I found out last week that he killed himself over the holidays. Ive just seen his wife, whose appearance has changed in a major way. His two kids have gone back to school without a dad. Noone knows what to do or say.


Im absolutely not posting this as a request for sympathy, or for a general chat about the sadness of the situation. I just want to make a plea that if anyone reading this thread, which i know has become a bit of a self help community in some ways, is feeling like theyve slipped off the edge, or is starting to feel suicidal thoughts, please contact someone. If you're in that position you are bound to feel like no-one cares, thats wrong. Lots of people will care about you, even if you dont realise it. Mental health services are underresourced, yes, but there will be people who will be available to help you. Speak to your GP. Get a referral to a professional. And above all, open up to someone. Just talk. **** it, you can PM me for a chat if you want , although my wisdom will be limited. Almost everyone now understands that mental health issues are no reason to fear you or stigmatise you. People will be sympathetic and want to help. Please dont leave it too late.


I'm so sorry to hear that.

"he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore" - I've been there. Kind, friendly words can be like a lifebelt. Seeking them or giving them can make the difference.

[lord bunberry]

I have a friend ive known for eight years. Our kids have been in the same class since nursery. He's always been the bloke I immediately have a lot in common with, and have a chat every day in the playground. Last year out of the blue he told me was signed off sick with stress, and he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore. I offered him some paid work with me to get him back into the workplace on a gradual basis and in a relaxed environment. I also told him about my similar experiences in the past, how he must get some good meds if he felt like they helped, and explore as many solutions as possible. Getting a good counsellor. Lots of exercise. relaxation. Social contact. Sleep. All that good stuff.

I genuinely enjoyed his company, we went for a pint in the Spring where we argued long and hard about the rights and wrongs of Morrissey and the Smiths, and although he didnt get signed back to work, he said he had a good counsellor and was getting somewhere with her. I saw him in the playground at the end of school term in June, and we said we need to definitely get together with our respective missuses for a pint or something to eat soon. I found out last week that he killed himself over the holidays. Ive just seen his wife, whose appearance has changed in a major way. His two kids have gone back to school without a dad. Noone knows what to do or say.


Im absolutely not posting this as a request for sympathy, or for a general chat about the sadness of the situation. I just want to make a plea that if anyone reading this thread, which i know has become a bit of a self help community in some ways, is feeling like theyve slipped off the edge, or is starting to feel suicidal thoughts, please contact someone. If you're in that position you are bound to feel like no-one cares, thats wrong. Lots of people will care about you, even if you dont realise it. Mental health services are underresourced, yes, but there will be people who will be available to help you. Speak to your GP. Get a referral to a professional. And above all, open up to someone. Just talk. **** it, you can PM me for a chat if you want , although my wisdom will be limited. Almost everyone now understands that mental health issues are no reason to fear you or stigmatise you. People will be sympathetic and want to help. Please dont leave it too late.
Really sorry to hear that, it’s a truly tragic story. I don’t know you personally, but I certainly appreciated the correspondence we had when I finally plucked up the courage to speak about my own problems. I just hope that you are staying strong and remembering that in times of despair that everyone on this thread is only a pm away. That goes for anyone going through a tough spell. I know from experience that talking with strangers who know what you’re going through can be really helpful.

[Sir David Gray]

I have a friend ive known for eight years. Our kids have been in the same class since nursery. He's always been the bloke I immediately have a lot in common with, and have a chat every day in the playground. Last year out of the blue he told me was signed off sick with stress, and he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore. I offered him some paid work with me to get him back into the workplace on a gradual basis and in a relaxed environment. I also told him about my similar experiences in the past, how he must get some good meds if he felt like they helped, and explore as many solutions as possible. Getting a good counsellor. Lots of exercise. relaxation. Social contact. Sleep. All that good stuff.

I genuinely enjoyed his company, we went for a pint in the Spring where we argued long and hard about the rights and wrongs of Morrissey and the Smiths, and although he didnt get signed back to work, he said he had a good counsellor and was getting somewhere with her. I saw him in the playground at the end of school term in June, and we said we need to definitely get together with our respective missuses for a pint or something to eat soon. I found out last week that he killed himself over the holidays. Ive just seen his wife, whose appearance has changed in a major way. His two kids have gone back to school without a dad. Noone knows what to do or say.


Im absolutely not posting this as a request for sympathy, or for a general chat about the sadness of the situation. I just want to make a plea that if anyone reading this thread, which i know has become a bit of a self help community in some ways, is feeling like theyve slipped off the edge, or is starting to feel suicidal thoughts, please contact someone. If you're in that position you are bound to feel like no-one cares, thats wrong. Lots of people will care about you, even if you dont realise it. Mental health services are underresourced, yes, but there will be people who will be available to help you. Speak to your GP. Get a referral to a professional. And above all, open up to someone. Just talk. **** it, you can PM me for a chat if you want , although my wisdom will be limited. Almost everyone now understands that mental health issues are no reason to fear you or stigmatise you. People will be sympathetic and want to help. Please dont leave it too late.

:top marks I echo every single word of this.

[Jones28]

I have a friend ive known for eight years. Our kids have been in the same class since nursery. He's always been the bloke I immediately have a lot in common with, and have a chat every day in the playground. Last year out of the blue he told me was signed off sick with stress, and he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore. I offered him some paid work with me to get him back into the workplace on a gradual basis and in a relaxed environment. I also told him about my similar experiences in the past, how he must get some good meds if he felt like they helped, and explore as many solutions as possible. Getting a good counsellor. Lots of exercise. relaxation. Social contact. Sleep. All that good stuff.

I genuinely enjoyed his company, we went for a pint in the Spring where we argued long and hard about the rights and wrongs of Morrissey and the Smiths, and although he didnt get signed back to work, he said he had a good counsellor and was getting somewhere with her. I saw him in the playground at the end of school term in June, and we said we need to definitely get together with our respective missuses for a pint or something to eat soon. I found out last week that he killed himself over the holidays. Ive just seen his wife, whose appearance has changed in a major way. His two kids have gone back to school without a dad. Noone knows what to do or say.


Im absolutely not posting this as a request for sympathy, or for a general chat about the sadness of the situation. I just want to make a plea that if anyone reading this thread, which i know has become a bit of a self help community in some ways, is feeling like theyve slipped off the edge, or is starting to feel suicidal thoughts, please contact someone. If you're in that position you are bound to feel like no-one cares, thats wrong. Lots of people will care about you, even if you dont realise it. Mental health services are underresourced, yes, but there will be people who will be available to help you. Speak to your GP. Get a referral to a professional. And above all, open up to someone. Just talk. **** it, you can PM me for a chat if you want , although my wisdom will be limited. Almost everyone now understands that mental health issues are no reason to fear you or stigmatise you. People will be sympathetic and want to help. Please dont leave it too late.

Wow. I'm so sorry for your loss HB. I'd like to echo this, if there is anyone who needs someone anonymous to talk to please feel free to private message me. Suicide has had a direct effect on my wife's family and would do anything to help.

[stu in nottingham]

I have a friend ive known for eight years. Our kids have been in the same class since nursery. He's always been the bloke I immediately have a lot in common with, and have a chat every day in the playground. Last year out of the blue he told me was signed off sick with stress, and he said he didnt really understand what his purpose in life was anymore. I offered him some paid work with me to get him back into the workplace on a gradual basis and in a relaxed environment. I also told him about my similar experiences in the past, how he must get some good meds if he felt like they helped, and explore as many solutions as possible. Getting a good counsellor. Lots of exercise. relaxation. Social contact. Sleep. All that good stuff.

I genuinely enjoyed his company, we went for a pint in the Spring where we argued long and hard about the rights and wrongs of Morrissey and the Smiths, and although he didnt get signed back to work, he said he had a good counsellor and was getting somewhere with her. I saw him in the playground at the end of school term in June, and we said we need to definitely get together with our respective missuses for a pint or something to eat soon. I found out last week that he killed himself over the holidays. Ive just seen his wife, whose appearance has changed in a major way. His two kids have gone back to school without a dad. Noone knows what to do or say.


Im absolutely not posting this as a request for sympathy, or for a general chat about the sadness of the situation. I just want to make a plea that if anyone reading this thread, which i know has become a bit of a self help community in some ways, is feeling like theyve slipped off the edge, or is starting to feel suicidal thoughts, please contact someone. If you're in that position you are bound to feel like no-one cares, thats wrong. Lots of people will care about you, even if you dont realise it. Mental health services are underresourced, yes, but there will be people who will be available to help you. Speak to your GP. Get a referral to a professional. And above all, open up to someone. Just talk. **** it, you can PM me for a chat if you want , although my wisdom will be limited. Almost everyone now understands that mental health issues are no reason to fear you or stigmatise you. People will be sympathetic and want to help. Please dont leave it too late.

I am deeply sorry to hear about your friend, hibsbolla. Thank you doing what you could for him and for being willing to share this story. I just wanted to contribute regarding your remark 'No one knows what to do or say.'

From professional experience but much more so my personal experience as a suicide survivor I have made a few observations that might be worth thinking about generally for people. I think the most hurtful thing I experienced was in a long-time neighbour shooing her children inside the house as I walked up the road to my home one evening. Things were new, raw and she obviously wanted to avoid having to speak to me as she didn't know what to say. It hurt but it's forgivable as people genuinely don't understand how to act and speak in the circumstances. For the survivor though it makes one feel like an outcast and as if you're being judged in some way - on top of all the other problems one has to face.

I'll start with a few things to avoid:

The first one that comes to mind is 'I understand how you feel'. Meant well but you cannot truly understand. It absolutely okay to to acknowledge as much too, it shows that you recognise the complexity of such a situation.

Don't value judge the suicide as taking the selfish choice or implying a weakness etc. This may conflict with the person's own thoughts as they seek to understand them. Be extra careful about saying things that could be interpreted as inferring blame on the survivor.

Don't disappear. It's natural that support dies away over time. It can be that it's after the initial shock has died off, the months after can be very difficult as the person tries to process their loss.

Don't be impatient. Avoid the 'moving on now' speech or other such cliches as this can place pressure on the person to 'get over it'.

Alternatively, here are a few more helpful words and actions:

Be a 'safe place' for the person to go to if they need to talk, make them understand that you're here to listen. Just your presence is often enough.

It's okay to say something like, 'I don't know what to say but I'm here for you'. Again, your presence alone can offer solace.

Offer help and support in a specific way and do this proactively. Rather than saying 'let me know if you need anything' try things that relieve stress in the individuals such as picking up the kids from school, doing their shopping or spending some time sitting with them. Make it easy for them to accept help.

Best wishes.

[stu in nottingham]

Wow. I'm so sorry for your loss HB. I'd like to echo this, if there is anyone who needs someone anonymous to talk to please feel free to private message me.

Add me to that too.

[Mibbes Aye]

I am deeply sorry to hear about your friend, hibsbolla. Thank you doing what you could for him and for being willing to share this story. I just wanted to contribute regarding your remark 'No one knows what to do or say.'

From professional experience but much more so my personal experience as a suicide survivor I have made a few observations that might be worth thinking about generally for people. I think the most hurtful thing I experienced was in a long-time neighbour shooing her children inside the house as I walked up the road to my home one evening. Things were new, raw and she obviously wanted to avoid having to speak to me as she didn't know what to say. It hurt but it's forgivable as people genuinely don't understand how to act and speak in the circumstances. For the survivor though it makes one feel like an outcast and as if you're being judged in some way - on top of all the other problems one has to face.

I'll start with a few things to avoid:

The first one that comes to mind is 'I understand how you feel'. Meant well but you cannot truly understand. It absolutely okay to to acknowledge as much too, it shows that you recognise the complexity of such a situation.

Don't value judge the suicide as taking the selfish choice or implying a weakness etc. This may conflict with the person's own thoughts as they seek to understand them. Be extra careful about saying things that could be interpreted as inferring blame on the survivor.

Don't disappear. It's natural that support dies away over time. It can be that it's after the initial shock has died off, the months after can be very difficult as the person tries to process their loss.

Don't be impatient. Avoid the 'moving on now' speech or other such cliches as this can place pressure on the person to 'get over it'.

Alternatively, here are a few more helpful words and actions:

Be a 'safe place' for the person to go to if they need to talk, make them understand that you're here to listen. Just your presence is often enough.

It's okay to say something like, 'I don't know what to say but I'm here for you'. Again, your presence alone can offer solace.

Offer help and support in a specific way and do this proactively. Rather than saying 'let me know if you need anything' try things that relieve stress in the individuals such as picking up the kids from school, doing their shopping or spending some time sitting with them. Make it easy for them to accept help.

Best wishes.

Lots of sound comment there Stu, I would highlight one bit you mentioned in particular:

It's natural that support dies away over time. It can be that it's after the initial shock has died off, the months after can be very difficult as the person tries to process their loss.

This sort of loss never goes away for those directly affected but becomes more normalised for those not so close. And for those affected there are many trigger points - birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas etc are obvious ones, but going somewhere you associate with the person, if it was a partner then receiving random junk mail addressed to them, bumping into old colleagues who never knew, hearing a piece of music you associate with them - all that and anything else can be huge to deal with.

I'm probably repeating Stu here but offering acceptance, being non-judgmental and non-directive, and just giving the space and time for someone to talk, if they want to, isn't just all one can do but is probably the best one can do. No pressure on the person suffering, but they know they have the safe space if they want it.

[hibsbollah]

Wow. I'm so sorry for your loss HB. I'd like to echo this, if there is anyone who needs someone anonymous to talk to please feel free to private message me. Suicide has had a direct effect on my wife's family and would do anything to help.

Thanks to you and others for your kind words, but really the sense of loss I feel will be infinitesimally small compared to his wife and kids. It's all about them really. I was out drinking and having a laugh watching comedy at the festival today, I doubt his family will be able to do that.

I suppose the main emotions I have are senses of failure and regret that I couldn't help him enough to make a difference.

[Peevemor]

Thanks to you and others for your kind words, but really the sense of loss I feel will be infinitesimally small compared to his wife and kids. It's all about them really. I was out drinking and having a laugh watching comedy at the festival today, I doubt his family will be able to do that.

I suppose the main emotions I have are senses of failure and regret that I couldn't help him enough to make a difference.

One of my friends went through a pretty tough time mainly (I suspect) due to his wife's mental health issues. Various people in our entourage, including myself, did our best to help him out and eventually we all remarked that, over a period of 2-3 months, he seemed to be in better form each time we seen him. Even though things were looking up we didn't lessen our support. Unfortunately it didn't stop him taking his own life.

That was early 2016.

A couple of months later, one of my colleagues also committed suicide. He was in the middle of a messy separation/divorce and was also missing his native South of France (to where his wife and kids had returned). Although he didn't seem as troubled as my pal mentioned above, different people had gone out their way to help him out (including his boss who offered amazing financial support).

Your feelings are normal but honestly there's nothing you could have done. I've obviously had numerous long discussions with people who were close to the 2 guys I've spoken about and we've asked ourselves all sorts of questions. The consensus is that we couldn't realistically have done more for either of these guys, and that there are some things that are simply beyond comprehension.

[Sir David Gray]

Thanks to you and others for your kind words, but really the sense of loss I feel will be infinitesimally small compared to his wife and kids. It's all about them really. I was out drinking and having a laugh watching comedy at the festival today, I doubt his family will be able to do that.

I suppose the main emotions I have are senses of failure and regret that I couldn't help him enough to make a difference.


One of my friends went through a pretty tough time mainly (I suspect) due to his wife's mental health issues. Various people in our entourage, including myself, did our best to help him out and eventually we all remarked that, over a period of 2-3 months, he seemed to be in better form each time we seen him. Even though things were looking up we didn't lessen our support. Unfortunately it didn't stop him taking his own life.

That was early 2016.

A couple of months later, one of my colleagues also committed suicide. He was in the middle of a messy separation/divorce and was also missing his native South of France (to where his wife and kids had returned). Although he didn't seem as troubled as my pal mentioned above, different people had gone out their way to help him out (including his boss who offered amazing financial support).

Your feelings are normal but honestly there's nothing you could have done. I've obviously had numerous long discussions with people who were close to the 2 guys I've spoken about and we've asked ourselves all sorts of questions. The consensus is that we couldn't realistically have done more for either of these guys, and that there are some things that are simply beyond comprehension.

Absolutely agree with this.

Mental illnesses are something that we do not have a full understanding of at the moment and much more funding and research is needed.

I'm sure your friend will have appreciated the help and support at the time and perhaps that actually prolonged his life beyond what may have happened if your support hadn't been there.

Feelings of regret and failure are absolutely normal when someone takes their own life despite offering your help to them.

I honestly don't think it works like that, having gone through my own dad's suicide attempts at the end of last year and beginning of this year. I believe that the brain is just such a complex organ that we do not fully understand enough about its failings to provide adequate support to every single person with a mental illness.

Hopefully one day that will change.

[LustForLeith]

I’ve been attending The Changing Room initiative through Hi s and cant recommend it highly enough.

I don’t think we’ll ever fully understand mental health. What worries me is that we all have a least one thing which no matter how bad things get would stop us committing suicide, famiky, friends, Hibs(!!!) stuff like that.

The worry is when you’re so low that you can’t even see the worth in other people or things to stop you doing it? If you look at the amount of famous people who’ve committed suicide. Fair enough, they’ll maybe have more money but they still have the same issues.

You’d always think they would have at least one thing from committing suicide but clearly there’s a point of no return that anyone can reach.

I know what I’m trying to say but I’m terrible at saying it. What would maybe be good would be some sort of Hibs.net support group/forum/WhatsApp group where folk could check on each other and give each other the support we all need but sometimes don’t ask for?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Horizon on Wednesday 22nd @ 2100 on BBC2 is titled Stopping male suicide, might be worth watching for anyone affected by such a harrowing subject.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Thought I’d pop this in here - a brilliant young charity that has been helping young people across Edinburgh and the Lothians get access to mental health counselling is desperately needing funding.

If anyone looking in here can help please check out https://www.joshuanolanfoundation.org/ - they do amazing work!

[Aldo]

Thanks to you and others for your kind words, but really the sense of loss I feel will be infinitesimally small compared to his wife and kids. It's all about them really. I was out drinking and having a laugh watching comedy at the festival today, I doubt his family will be able to do that. I suppose the main emotions I have are senses of failure and regret that I couldn't help him enough to make a difference.

H Your last sentence shows you care and I am sure the support you gave him for that period was appreciated by him even if he didn't say so. Your wording on your previous post may mean nothing to some but will mean everything to someone looking in and it may have given them the courage to seek some assistance/help they so desperately need.

Wasn't sure how to word this so hopefully this makes sense!

[pontius pilate]

The amount of support on this thread makes me proud to be a hibby. I don’t get out to too many games due to mental health issues mainly depression anxiety and ptsd. I’ve done counselling and been on many different meds including alcohol been sober 5 years now. Every day I question myself and others on what there motives are. Every day is a struggle but I’m up and at work every day but still have the feeling of dread and self loathing. This forum in all its forms helps.

GGTTH

[wpj]

The amount of support on this thread makes me proud to be a hibby. I don’t get out to too many games due to mental health issues mainly depression anxiety and ptsd. I’ve done counselling and been on many different meds including alcohol been sober 5 years now. Every day I question myself and others on what there motives are. Every day is a struggle but I’m up and at work every day but still have the feeling of dread and self loathing. This forum in all its forms helps.

GGTTH

Same for me PP, I am going through a pretty tough time physically which is impacting on my mental health.I am lucky to have support but it's still a long lonely fight at times.. This thread has been a massive help for me, and while I don't know any of you (well I might who knows) I feel an affinity with all the posters brave enough to share on here. Also those who post who do not suffer but support and care for those who do.

[lord bunberry]

Currently struggling. Been doing so well recently, but can’t face to even look at myself right now. Why does it change so quickly. Self loathing is something I’ve never been able get rid off.

[CropleyWasGod]

Currently struggling. Been doing so well recently, but can’t face to even look at myself right now. Why does it change so quickly. Self loathing is something I’ve never been able get rid off.I often feel like you do at this time of year.

Sometimes I think that we are more in tune with our natural environment than we are allowed to admit. Round about this time of year, with the equinox approaching, our natural selves are preparing for winter, but society demands that we still run at 100%.

So, as our energy levels are dropping, our activity isn't. That leads to more anxiety, self-reproach and, as you say, self-loathing.

My approach in September/October is to try and squeeze as much fresh air and, more importantly, light into my batteries to prepare for the darker days ahead. It's not easy when you have a job and personal commitments, I know, but I find it worth the effort.





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[Bangkok Hibby]

I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if I'm missing something. I was on Prozac for 12 years because of depression. My old man had undiagnosed depression and I believe Grandparents who I never knew were the same.
I started to read about Buddhism and how it can greatly improve your quality of life. I found it's been hijacked like many other religions and turned into a monster but you can take some basic teachings and apply them to everyday life.
Very simply....

1)Do what makes you happy but don't hurt others. If it's not quite what others want then tough. You are the important one, life is very short.
2)Forget all negative **** from the past...it's gone.
3)Live in the present..right NOW, not 5 minutes ago or ten years ago..it's gone. The ONLY reality in life is NOW.
4)Don't stress about the future..it'll seldom turn out how you want and that will only create disappointment.
5)Forgive people, you're only hurting yourself with negative or angry emotions.

5 simple rules which at first glance may look like superficial crap but think about, and apply, each one and your life will change.
If anybody thinks these simple rules may help can I stress number 3 is by far the most effective. Learn what it means to live in the present and apply it.

Once again I apologise if this isn't really relevant to the growing thread but thought it worth putting out there.

[lord bunberry]

I often feel like you do at this time of year.

Sometimes I think that we are more in tune with our natural environment than we are allowed to admit. Round about this time of year, with the equinox approaching, our natural selves are preparing for winter, but society demands that we still run at 100%.

So, as our energy levels are dropping, our activity isn't. That leads to more anxiety, self-reproach and, as you say, self-loathing.

My approach in September/October is to try and squeeze as much fresh air and, more importantly, light into my batteries to prepare for the darker days ahead. It's not easy when you have a job and personal commitments, I know, but I find it worth the effort.





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I’ve read you saying something similar before. I work nights and as the days get shorter i obviously see less daylight. I’m definitely going to give it a go, even if it’s going out into the garden for a while.
Thanks.

[CropleyWasGod]

I’ve read you saying something similar before. I work nights and as the days get shorter i obviously see less daylight. I’m definitely going to give it a go, even if it’s going out into the garden for a while.
Thanks.Maybe think about a lightbox. I use one during the day after the clocks change.

They're not ideal if you work nights, as they can keep you awake when you don't want to be. But you can play around with your routine.

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[Sir David Gray]

I often feel like you do at this time of year.

Sometimes I think that we are more in tune with our natural environment than we are allowed to admit. Round about this time of year, with the equinox approaching, our natural selves are preparing for winter, but society demands that we still run at 100%.

So, as our energy levels are dropping, our activity isn't. That leads to more anxiety, self-reproach and, as you say, self-loathing.

My approach in September/October is to try and squeeze as much fresh air and, more importantly, light into my batteries to prepare for the darker days ahead. It's not easy when you have a job and personal commitments, I know, but I find it worth the effort.





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There is definitely something in this. I often feel a lot more unhappy and just generally down in the winter months. I haven't quite reached that stage just yet but once the clocks go back at the end of October I really struggle until around the middle-end of February.

I'm really not a fan of winter and the dark nights when it's dark by about 4pm.

I agree it is very important to get out as much as you can during daylight hours during those months. It's not always easy but that's how I've helped my mood during winter.

[patch1875]

I usually take vit D through the winter as I work outside so it’s a bit of a shock to lose the sun!

[wpj]

Currently struggling. Been doing so well recently, but can’t face to even look at myself right now. Why does it change so quickly. Self loathing is something I’ve never been able get rid off.

Lord B, please use this forum for support and also professional help. I have had an absolute James hunt of a year but yesterday cuddling my cat while she went to sleep has finally allowed me to cry, as in life Lila has sussed me out. I'm in bits but somehow finally dealing with all the other stuff. Take care pal and contact me or the others who have said so, we are all stronger together. For anyone looking in dont suffer alone. Take care y'all

[lord bunberry]

Lord B, please use this forum for support and also professional help. I have had an absolute James hunt of a year but yesterday cuddling my cat while she went to sleep has finally allowed me to cry, as in life Lila has sussed me out. I'm in bits but somehow finally dealing with all the other stuff. Take care pal and contact me or the others who have said so, we are all stronger together. For anyone looking in dont suffer alone. Take care y'all
Thanks for that mate.

[Pretty Boy]

Another who struggles at this time of year. I just always seem drained.

My issue is I'm doing 55-60 hour weeks at the moment, have a 1 year old daughter and am trying to balance the books with nursery fees and the like. I'm not totally sure if I'm just feeling the stresses everyone feels in life or something more. I'm forcing myself to go out running and trying to make sure I eat well and so on but I'm getting the irritable, contrary, sulky way I get when I know I'm not doing well.

[CropleyWasGod]

Another who struggles at this time of year. I just always seem drained.

My issue is I'm doing 55-60 hour weeks at the moment, have a 1 year old daughter and am trying to balance the books with nursery fees and the like. I'm not totally sure if I'm just feeling the stresses everyone feels in life or something more. I'm forcing myself to go out running and trying to make sure I eat well and so on but I'm getting the irritable, contrary, sulky way I get when I know I'm not doing well.

Here's another take on your situation, PB.

You know that this time of year is tough for you. You also know that, generally, things do get better at some point. That self-awareness is a great asset to have.

Sometimes, doing all the right things like diet and exercise just isn't enough.

Accepting that you are who you are, good stuff and *****, can be a good tool for helping you through the tough times. I often use the mantra "this will pass" ..... because it nearly always does.

And the next time I have a good day, I soak it all up and store that memory to remind me, when life gets crap, that it will get better.

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[Dalianwanda]

Here's another take on your situation, PB.

You know that this time of year is tough for you. You also know that, generally, things do get better at some point. That self-awareness is a great asset to have.

Sometimes, doing all the right things like diet and exercise just isn't enough.

Accepting that you are who you are, good stuff and *****, can be a good tool for helping you through the tough times. I often use the mantra "this will pass" ..... because it nearly always does.

And the next time I have a good day, I soak it all up and store that memory to remind me, when life gets crap, that it will get better.

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I mind being at a stag which was pretty full on. One guy wrote ‘This shall pass’ on his knuckles for when he woke up with ‘the fear’..perfect reminder

Truth is, thoughts are temporary and so are emotions...They keep on moving if we see them for what they are and come back to true self.

Not that i always do.

[matty_f]

Another who struggles at this time of year. I just always seem drained.

My issue is I'm doing 55-60 hour weeks at the moment, have a 1 year old daughter and am trying to balance the books with nursery fees and the like. I'm not totally sure if I'm just feeling the stresses everyone feels in life or something more. I'm forcing myself to go out running and trying to make sure I eat well and so on but I'm getting the irritable, contrary, sulky way I get when I know I'm not doing well.

I'm off work just now feeling the same, first time in my life I've experienced it and the feeling of tiredness/exhaustion is unreal. The thing that's really got me is feeling guilty about it, there's so much that I normally do without thinking twice that I feel that I can't be bothered with - for example I was getting into a really good exercise routine in the evenings but I can't bring myself to do it, like as soon as I think about it my brain is just telling me I'm too tired and can't. Same with studying, I feel like the text book weighs a ton and so it's literally sat in my car for the last month.

[wpj]

As I have posted previously I have had a horrible year and the sciatica I thought had gone has come back. Have to go back to work but there's no way i can do a full day with this pain. Also wating for another op, third one this year. Love Autumn but just beaten up with stuff at the moment. As I said putting my darling cat to sleep on Thursday has unleashed a torrent of emotion that has been building all year. But, it will pass, a great phrase to keep in mind thanks.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

See that Cummings thread is stirring up some comments around mental health “mentally unwell” and “not right in the head” type comments. Added to the window lickers and puddle drinkers I know it’s a football forum but I hope there will come a time when we live in more enlightened times.

[CropleyWasGod]

See that Cummings thread is stirring up some comments around mental health “mentally unwell” and “not right in the head” type comments. Added to the window lickers and puddle drinkers I know it’s a football forum but I hope there will come a time when we live in more enlightened times.

With you on that.

It's an easy option to use that language to describe people's actions. Cummings, Trump, the Pilot Wings guy... just a few examples. It's stigmatising and, for people who are struggling, not helpful at all.

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[Dalianwanda]

I've just put up a very short article for anyone suffering from panic/anxiety attacks https://bit.ly/2CJnMwO

[stu in nottingham]

Interesting article on the BBC website today.

I have a strong suspicion that mental health problem are far more prevalent in professional football than is commonly imagined. The public sometimes view a stereotype of the rich, spoiled and cossetted footballer but I feel the rank and file professionals that form the majority of players are under many and varied pressures which can affect their well-being. Nor is the culture around the game especially conducive to those professionals discussing their problems and obtaining the appropriate support.

Marvin Sordell calls for full-time counsellors in football clubs
(http://Marvin Sordell calls for full-time counsellors in football clubs)

[Pagan Hibernia]

Hi all, finally plucked up the courage to post in this thread after months of looking in (I’ve read every single page of it).

ive been down lately, can’t put my finger on why, as many of you will know there often isn’t a reason... just a general malaise and feelings of worthlessness, loneliness etc. It happens periodically. Social anxiety too, and I’ve started attending a monthly support group for this. I also take on board the stuff in recent posts here about the change in seasons having an effect. I actually enjoy autumn with the cooler weather and the colours of the trees etc but the darker evenings are certainly tough.

Anyway, just wanted to say hello, as the thread was starting to slip down the board a wee bit and it’s been a huge help to me, so much good advice and inspiration (as well as some desperately sad stories), from people who know what they’re talking about. Thanks to all of you for it.

Cheers

[Pretty Boy]

Hi all, finally plucked up the courage to post in this thread after months of looking in (I’ve read every single page of it).

ive been down lately, can’t put my finger on why, as many of you will know there often isn’t a reason... just a general malaise and feelings of worthlessness, loneliness etc. It happens periodically. Social anxiety too, and I’ve started attending a monthly support group for this. I also take on board the stuff in recent posts here about the change in seasons having an effect. I actually enjoy autumn with the cooler weather and the colours of the trees etc but the darker evenings are certainly tough.

Anyway, just wanted to say hello, as the thread was starting to slip down the board a wee bit and it’s been a huge help to me, so much good advice and inspiration (as well as some desperately sad stories), from people who know what they’re talking about. Thanks to all of you for it.

Cheers

Good on you for plucking up the courage to post. That 1st step in any setting is always the toughest.

How are you finding the support groups for the social anxiety? I found talking a great help with my anxiety to help rationalise all the weird feelings and thoughts. I was always obsessed with knowing my nearest escape route was, kmowing where the toilet was, feeling like I was going to faint, collapse with a cardiac arrest and so on. I found ot quite amazing how common it sppears to be.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Good on you for plucking up the courage to post. That 1st step in any setting is always the toughest.

How are you finding the support groups for the social anxiety? I found talking a great help with my anxiety to help rationalise all the weird feelings and thoughts. I was always obsessed with knowing my nearest escape route was, kmowing where the toilet was, feeling like I was going to faint, collapse with a cardiac arrest and so on. I found ot quite amazing how common it sppears to be.


Thanks mate.

yes I’m finding it worthwhile, though it’s early days, only been the last couple of months (went to one last year but bottled it and didn’t go again for 12 months). talking to others who feel similar, if not the same thoughts is certainly helpful and that pressure and fear of not wanting to embarrass myself or make a fool of myself every time I open my mouth is lessened by the fact the others feel the same way. Still waiting to see how it helps me in my everyday life.

Your last sentence strikes a chord too. The first thing the organizer of the group said to me was that one in eight people suffer social anxiety in some capacity. Hard to believe. I’ve often seen the many extroverts at work and in the pub and wondered what the hell was wrong with me.*

*i know many extroverts suffer mental health problems too. You just never know what’s going on behind the laughter.

[SRHibs]

This has been happening to me as well... did you ever find a way to control it mate?

Reluctant to take the meds again due to certain side effects but can't say my overall mood has improved

Did you stick with it? My symptoms have faded greatly and I’m more “myself” now, with less of the fluctuating emotions.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Quite an interesting programme on SKY last night about depression, McAteer : Through the Storm, well worth a watch.

[LustForLeith]

Another who struggles at this time of year. I just always seem drained.

My issue is I'm doing 55-60 hour weeks at the moment, have a 1 year old daughter and am trying to balance the books with nursery fees and the like. I'm not totally sure if I'm just feeling the stresses everyone feels in life or something more. I'm forcing myself to go out running and trying to make sure I eat well and so on but I'm getting the irritable, contrary, sulky way I get when I know I'm not doing well.

I was in that boat when I first became a dad. It’s an absolute struggle to prepare mentally for being a parent. The responsibility that you face mentally, phyiscailly and finically to say the least are unreal. At the height of our child care woes we were paying almost £1000 a month on nursery and after school care. It’s reduced to about £200 now. I’d love to say weee better off but I’d be lying!

It’s sad to see that so many people on here suffer from mental health issues but it’s also great to see that so many of us are talking about it or doing something about it.

I’ve said it before but the Changing Room programme run with SAMH and Hibs massively impressed me when I took part in it. People can sign up for this. I’m still pals with the folk I met on it and I’d like to think that we’re there for each other if we need help.

[stoneyburn hibs]

The Open University has a free course available right now on understanding depression and anxiety.

Hopefully it's of use to some on here.

[Keyser Sauzee]

First time speaking about this to any1 but my family but it’s become clear that I’m struggling with Health Anxiety, I’m not sure how severe it is for me but I know I definitely have a problem with it and it’s been like this for the past 6 months I’d say. I’m not anxious about becoming ill with everyday illness I’m more concerned about any type of cancer and I’m scared for my future aswell. I’m convincing myself that any little change in is an early sign of it and I’m straight to my GP, I can tell they are becoming a little fed up of me but I can’t help it. I would like to know if any1 can point me in the right direction of a good CBT therapist as I think this might be the way to go. Sorry if this post is bringing issues back up with others I’m just looking to get some help. Thanks in advance

[CropleyWasGod]

First time speaking about this to any1 but my family but it’s become clear that I’m struggling with Health Anxiety, I’m not sure how severe it is for me but I know I definitely have a problem with it and it’s been like this for the past 6 months I’d say. I’m not anxious about becoming ill with everyday illness I’m more concerned about any type of cancer and I’m scared for my future aswell. I’m convincing myself that any little change in is an early sign of it and I’m straight to my GP, I can tell they are becoming a little fed up of me but I can’t help it. I would like to know if any1 can point me in the right direction of a good CBT therapist as I think this might be the way to go. Sorry if this post is bringing issues back up with others I’m just looking to get some help. Thanks in advanceThink Dalianwanda on here is a therapist. He might be able to help.

I've sent you a PM :)

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

First time speaking about this to any1 but my family but it’s become clear that I’m struggling with Health Anxiety, I’m not sure how severe it is for me but I know I definitely have a problem with it and it’s been like this for the past 6 months I’d say. I’m not anxious about becoming ill with everyday illness I’m more concerned about any type of cancer and I’m scared for my future aswell. I’m convincing myself that any little change in is an early sign of it and I’m straight to my GP, I can tell they are becoming a little fed up of me but I can’t help it. I would like to know if any1 can point me in the right direction of a good CBT therapist as I think this might be the way to go. Sorry if this post is bringing issues back up with others I’m just looking to get some help. Thanks in advance

Whilst I can't help you re therapists, I don't think anyone will ever have to apologise for posting on this thread, good luck with getting the help you're looking for.

[stu in nottingham]

First time speaking about this to any1 but my family but it’s become clear that I’m struggling with Health Anxiety, I’m not sure how severe it is for me but I know I definitely have a problem with it and it’s been like this for the past 6 months I’d say. I’m not anxious about becoming ill with everyday illness I’m more concerned about any type of cancer and I’m scared for my future aswell. I’m convincing myself that any little change in is an early sign of it and I’m straight to my GP, I can tell they are becoming a little fed up of me but I can’t help it. I would like to know if any1 can point me in the right direction of a good CBT therapist as I think this might be the way to go. Sorry if this post is bringing issues back up with others I’m just looking to get some help. Thanks in advance

Sorry to hear of your problems with anxiety. Anxiety can present itself as a number of different disorders such as Generalised Anxiety Disorder, Social Anxiety, Agorophobia and Panic Disorder etc. Sometimes they occur alongside other mental health disorders such as depression or personality disorder.

Your GP is the normal gateway to talking therapies such as CBT. He can refer you to a therapist through the NHS, albeit there may be a waiting list. The service is called IAPT (Improving Access To Psychological Therapy). It can include treatment programmes of one-to-one therapy, counselling or group therapy. Formerly, IAPT was solely based on CBT (Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) but it now employs other types of therapies such as Humanistic Therapy, Psychodynamic and Integrative Therapy etc.

It's a good idea to know a little about the different types of therapies and how they work/which might be most apt for you, so you could ask your GP about that. I wondered why you were focused on CBT? (Not that it's necessarily a bad idea). CBT has been largely used by the NHS arguably due to its relative cheapness to provide and it being measureable for results - not because it is 'better' for the job (nor is it necessarily 'worse'). This doesn't mean that it's inferior in any way as it's very good for some things, for example addiction, it is also used widely for depression and anxiety. Sometimes however, there is a need to explore more deeply into a disorder as opposed to what some deride it as - a 'sticking plaster' approach. The bottom line is that some people respond well to certain therapies while others need something different. Good luck.

[stu in nottingham]

It's interesting to note that amidst the furore and comment involving Neil Lennon and the coin throwing incident, I've seen no particular comment about Neil's mental health and a possible connection with his reaction in considering his future at Hibs. Perhaps pertinent on a wider basis for mental health is that his past problems are largely ignored or overlooked when trouble comes calling.

I understand it's not up for public scrutiny and his dignity should be protected but it concerns me the great pressure he is constantly under - uniquely so in Scottish football. An emotional and mercurial man he undoubtedly is but I also wonder if he has been considering the pressure that comes with him working in Scotland for some time rather than what on the face of things might seem an emotional reaction.

[Smartie]

It's interesting to note that amidst the furore and comment involving Neil Lennon and the coin throwing incident, I've seen no particular comment about Neil's mental health and a possible connection with his reaction in considering his future at Hibs. Perhaps pertinent on a wider basis for mental health is that his past problems are largely ignored or overlooked when trouble comes calling.

I understand it's not up for public scrutiny and his dignity should be protected but it concerns me the great pressure he is constantly under - uniquely so in Scottish football. An emotional and mercurial man he undoubtedly is but I also wonder if he has been considering the pressure that comes with him working in Scotland for some time rather than what on the face of things might seem an emotional reaction.

What were the circumstances surrounding his departure from Celtic?

I can't really remember, but I do recall becoming fed up of all the off-field nonsense played a part.

It would be a desperately sad day for our nation and a real eye-opener for us all if the same were to happen to him with us.

[Chorley Hibee]

I just can't climb out of the depths of depression I'm currently experiencing - no matter how hard I try to combat the onset of recurring episodes.

This time of year, combined with fighting a 20 year ongoing eating disorder, and the perpetual bouts of depression associated, is taking its toll upon me both mentally and physically.

I've exhausted what seems like every avenue available to me in terms of help, but without any discernable success, or improvement in my condition.

I'm 39 in a few weeks time, and these illnesses have cost me family, friends, relationships, jobs and a career. Repeated attempts to manage my condition have been largely fruitless, and the overriding emotion (amongst a great many) is one of absolute exhaustion.

It was only in the last few years that I divulged my struggles publicly, and whilst supported by a great many, the stigma that is still attached to these pernicious illnesses remains an almost daily experience.

A case in point, was me commenting last week that I wasn't feeling great (due to the illnesses mentioned), only to be met with the following comment from a family member: "So how did you manage to go to the game on Wednesday then?"

It may seem a harmless comment to many, but it's really had a profound effect upon me, and left me feeling even more depressed and vulnerable than I already was.

I just don't know where to go from here in terms of help or recovery.

[Hibrandenburg]

Firstly I'd like to say I'm fortunate enough not to have suffered from depression but have been directly involved with it in the past.

I occasionally pop in here to read what's going on because it pleases me to think that those suffering have this thread for mutual support. I applaud all of you for talking openly about a subject that still carries stigma with it. Attitudes seem to be changing slowly and I put that down to people being brave enough to talk openly in public like a lot of you guys do on here.

One thing that has struck me about those sharing their experiences on here is that everyone without exception, shows great communication skills and above average intelligence. It's got me thinking that maybe that is a factor that plays a role in this disease? It would interest me to hear some of your thoughts on that theory.

[CropleyWasGod]

Firstly I'd like to say I'm fortunate enough not to have suffered from depression but have been directly involved with it in the past.

I occasionally pop in here to read what's going on because it pleases me to think that those suffering have this thread for mutual support. I applaud all of you for talking openly about a subject that still carries stigma with it. Attitudes seem to be changing slowly and I put that down to people being brave enough to talk openly in public like a lot of you guys do on here.

One thing that has struck me about those sharing their experiences on here is that everyone without exception, shows great communication skills and above average intelligence. It's got me thinking that maybe that is a factor that plays a role in this disease? It would interest me to hear some of your thoughts on that theory.I'm not sure that those factors play any part. Depression and anxiety tend not to discriminate along those lines.

I'd suggest, though, that those who post here are confident in their ability to communicate, and feel secure enough to do so. But I'd also expect that there are many others, with similar experiences, who don't post because they feel they "can't" or "shouldn't". This thread is, of course, as much for them as it is for those who do post.

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[Sylar]

Firstly I'd like to say I'm fortunate enough not to have suffered from depression but have been directly involved with it in the past.

I occasionally pop in here to read what's going on because it pleases me to think that those suffering have this thread for mutual support. I applaud all of you for talking openly about a subject that still carries stigma with it. Attitudes seem to be changing slowly and I put that down to people being brave enough to talk openly in public like a lot of you guys do on here.

One thing that has struck me about those sharing their experiences on here is that everyone without exception, shows great communication skills and above average intelligence. It's got me thinking that maybe that is a factor that plays a role in this disease? It would interest me to hear some of your thoughts on that theory.

I completed a first aid course in mental health last week, giving me some insights into depression and anxiety that I didn't have before and I certainly feel I learned at lot at helping people who are in absolute crisis.

I absolutely do think people of a higher intelligence are more prone to bouts of depression and anxiety - I work in Higher Education as a lecturer at both a Scottish and American university and I encounter a substantial amount of people that suffer from depression or anxiety - part of that is the pressure of the environment, part of that is the type of person that's attracted to advanced study or a career in such a sector. The pressure is phenomenal, but those that I've encountered who I would put into your category of "above average intelligence" definitely over-analyse, self-critique and replay situations (especially negative ones), and it often reinforces an already installed idea of low personal worth.

However, it really can impact people of all education levels or backgrounds - I just wonder if perhaps those who fit your category are better placed to rationalise the problem and use their voice and experience to try and break the cycle for others?

[wpj]

Its anxiety that kicks my ass, I wake up at 3 or 4 then have a full on panic attack. I have now started to get out of bed and do something but it is exhausting. I describe it like the Dr Who intro years ago, so much stuff coming at me. The following depression is horrible but I can manage it better then the panic attacks

[Shore Thing]

I just can't climb out of the depths of depression I'm currently experiencing - no matter how hard I try to combat the onset of recurring episodes...
...the overriding emotion (amongst a great many) is one of absolute exhaustion...
...I just don't know where to go from here in terms of help or recovery.

Hey Chorley Hibee. It takes a lot of strength to talk about this stuff so well done for putting your struggle out there.
I hope you’re managing to get through this dark, miserable time of the year, and that your birthday goes/or went ok. Sorry that you had an insensitive response from your family- folk just don’t understand and don’t realise the impact of their words.
What you’re describing must ring true with most people who contribute to this thread. The mental and physical exhaustion, and the effect this has on your life, relationships and jobs etc. So, as little use as it might be for me to say it, you’re not alone.
From what you’ve described it sounds like you’ve tried various methods to help fix the problem. I suppose the cause is different for everyone, and so are the ways of dealing with it.
The important thing to remember is that you CAN get through it and things will get better.
It’s not ‘you’ that’s causing this, it’s the fact that your brain, body or circumstances are working against you at the moment. And they can all be fixed.
There is help available, whether it’s medication, therapy, books or help groups.
I suppose all we can do is keep asking and eventually we’ll find something that works. As others have suggested, your GP can hopefully help guide you in the right direction. If you’ve already tried that, maybe keep chatting here and someone will give you some good ideas.

I hope that wasn’t too patronising. All the best mate. Feel free to PM

[stu in nottingham]

Really sorry to read of your past struggles, CH. It sounds as though over a protracted period you have tried many possible treatments for your depression. I wonder if you would be happy to share some of the things you have tried and relate what, if anything, helped you even just a little?



I just can't climb out of the depths of depression I'm currently experiencing - no matter how hard I try to combat the onset of recurring episodes.

This time of year, combined with fighting a 20 year ongoing eating disorder, and the perpetual bouts of depression associated, is taking its toll upon me both mentally and physically.

I've exhausted what seems like every avenue available to me in terms of help, but without any discernable success, or improvement in my condition.

I'm 39 in a few weeks time, and these illnesses have cost me family, friends, relationships, jobs and a career. Repeated attempts to manage my condition have been largely fruitless, and the overriding emotion (amongst a great many) is one of absolute exhaustion.

It was only in the last few years that I divulged my struggles publicly, and whilst supported by a great many, the stigma that is still attached to these pernicious illnesses remains an almost daily experience.

A case in point, was me commenting last week that I wasn't feeling great (due to the illnesses mentioned), only to be met with the following comment from a family member: "So how did you manage to go to the game on Wednesday then?"

It may seem a harmless comment to many, but it's really had a profound effect upon me, and left me feeling even more depressed and vulnerable than I already was.

I just don't know where to go from here in terms of help or recovery.

[patch1875]

3 years ago I started suffering from health anxiety,it all started after having a sickness bug for a few days and didn’t seems to sort itself out properly in a few weeks which got my mind into a bit of a panic it was something more serious.

I had many tests including CT scans which came back clear but nothing make the anxiety disappear I just didn’t feel right. The doctors decided that since they couldn’t find anything it was all in my head so stress and anxiety were the problems so I was put on various meds which didn’t help and I could deal with the side effects so I always came off them.

I’ve gone the last 3 years feeling crap constantly with various aches and pains in my upper body usually mid back neck and shoulders which I’ve struggled to deal with mentally.

So fast forward to now and I feel great physically and mentally so what’s changed....? I’ve had my gallbladder removed!

I was told during the tests that I had a gallstone but as I was not getting the general gallbladder symptoms it was dismissed as an issue. This year I started to get a little bit of pain under my right rib nothing bad but uncomfortable at times usually after eating so went back to get it checked out turns out my gallbladder had basically packed in so it had to come out.

The difference was almost instant after waking up from my op first time I stood up all the upper body pain had virtually disappeared and I’ve gone from strength to strength since turned out air was pushing into my stomach lining and liver and also interfering with nerves.

Can’t believe what a relief it is the surgeon said it can have lots of odd symptoms but usually alongside the regular ones which I didn’t have.

Good luck to everyone suffering mental health it’s certainly had a huge impact on me the past few years I guess I’m lucky mines has been an easy if a little unusual fix.

[wpj]

3 years ago I started suffering from health anxiety,it all started after having a sickness bug for a few days and didn’t seems to sort itself out properly in a few weeks which got my mind into a bit of a panic it was something more serious.

I had many tests including CT scans which came back clear but nothing make the anxiety disappear I just didn’t feel right. The doctors decided that since they couldn’t find anything it was all in my head so stress and anxiety were the problems so I was put on various meds which didn’t help and I could deal with the side effects so I always came off them.

I’ve gone the last 3 years feeling crap constantly with various aches and pains in my upper body usually mid back neck and shoulders which I’ve struggled to deal with mentally.

So fast forward to now and I feel great physically and mentally so what’s changed....? I’ve had my gallbladder removed!

I was told during the tests that I had a gallstone but as I was not getting the general gallbladder symptoms it was dismissed as an issue. This year I started to get a little bit of pain under my right rib nothing bad but uncomfortable at times usually after eating so went back to get it checked out turns out my gallbladder had basically packed in so it had to come out.

The difference was almost instant after waking up from my op first time I stood up all the upper body pain had virtually disappeared and I’ve gone from strength to strength since turned out air was pushing into my stomach lining and liver and also interfering with nerves.

Can’t believe what a relief it is the surgeon said it can have lots of odd symptoms but usually alongside the regular ones which I didn’t have.

Good luck to everyone suffering mental health it’s certainly had a huge impact on me the past few years I guess I’m lucky mines has been an easy if a little unusual fix.

Very happy for you and thanks for sharing. This may well help anyone looking in. All advice on this thread is greatly appreciated.
I have recently come out of a very dark few months and although i am feeling ok now i know there will be tough times ahead. Hope you keep happy 👍

[pontius pilate]

I suffer from ptsd depression and anxiety. so six weeks ago today my life got turned upside down and inside out. I lost my job home and family got arrested and charged due to malicious family members. Ended up in temporary homeless accommodation. Just moved into a permanent address on Tuesday. But yet because I cant live or see the two rocks in my life ( ex and daughter)' I can honestly say that this is the lowest I have been. Last thursday should and would have been my last day in this earth but for the intervention of my ex reaching out to some old army buddies. What should be a turning point and a fresh start I cry at least three times a day. Yet every day I wake up optimistic that this day will be better than yesterday.

[wpj]

I suffer from ptsd depression and anxiety. so six weeks ago today my life got turned upside down and inside out. I lost my job home and family got arrested and charged due to malicious family members. Ended up in temporary homeless accommodation. Just moved into a permanent address on Tuesday. But yet because I cant live or see the two rocks in my life ( ex and daughter)' I can honestly say that this is the lowest I have been. Last thursday should and would have been my last day in this earth but for the intervention of my ex reaching out to some old army buddies. What should be a turning point and a fresh start I cry at least three times a day. Yet every day I wake up optimistic that this day will be better than yesterday.

Really sorry to hear that pal. Make sure you keep in touch with your army friends as they will understand. You may have already but see a GP for further referrals. Wishing you all the best

[stu in nottingham]

I suffer from ptsd depression and anxiety. so six weeks ago today my life got turned upside down and inside out. I lost my job home and family got arrested and charged due to malicious family members. Ended up in temporary homeless accommodation. Just moved into a permanent address on Tuesday. But yet because I cant live or see the two rocks in my life ( ex and daughter)' I can honestly say that this is the lowest I have been. Last thursday should and would have been my last day in this earth but for the intervention of my ex reaching out to some old army buddies. What should be a turning point and a fresh start I cry at least three times a day. Yet every day I wake up optimistic that this day will be better than yesterday.

Thank you for sharing with us here, PP, I'm so glad you felt able to. I am sure that many here, including myself, seek to help and support you through the difficult time you're having and like me, feel sad at the pain you're going through. It's been my experience that each and every person that posts on this thread cares for all here, very much including you. I do hope that you find it in yourself to keep talking to us now that have taken the step to share your feelings.

So much has happened in your life recently it seems and I'm sure you've been left reeling to say the least. It's completely understandable the way you feel. I hope that you continue to engage with your old buddies and use the support they offer their old mate. If you feel able, make sure and let them know the kind of support your need, simply time with them or whatever. That would please them I'm certain. Please don't underestimate the kind help of the Samaritans should you feel in crisis at any point. They are there to help you, me and all. Please also engage with your GP and use that support too.

Good luck and take care buddy. Keep talking to us.

Stu

https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help-you/contact-us

[Hibernia&Alba]

I was diagnosed with OCD aged eleven; it's something which often appears in early adolescence. I was always a sensitive kid but it developed into a morbidity of obsessive-compulsive thoughts and behaviours, along with comorbidities of social anxiety (often manifested with extreme blushing) and trichtotillomania, which is compulsive hair pulling. All are anxiety disorders.

I became fixated on narrow interests and tasks which I felt I had to complete, otherwise I feared something terrible would happen. At one stage I developed a mania for crossword puzzles, for example. I had an urge deconstruct everything I was doing in my mind and explain it in a step-by-step process. I wrote lists for everything. It quickly drives you mad.

My parents took me to the doctor then a child psychologist who diagnosed it. I considered too young for medication but had CBT therapy with the psychologist, which helped. Stressful periods tend to bring it on even now, but I can still get help if I need it, including periods of SSRI medication. I think growing into adulthood helped alleviate a lot of the symptoms naturally. Most kids go through a difficult teenage phase; a minority will develop into medical issues, and I think I was vulnerable to a more intense experience of that. It could also be partly genetic: my dad has social anxiety. Mine is much better now, as is the blushing and hair pulling.

The important thing is to seek help, no matter what age you are or what the conditions is. If something doesn't feel right, don't be embarrassed to see your doctor - that's why they are there.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I suffer from ptsd depression and anxiety. so six weeks ago today my life got turned upside down and inside out. I lost my job home and family got arrested and charged due to malicious family members. Ended up in temporary homeless accommodation. Just moved into a permanent address on Tuesday. But yet because I cant live or see the two rocks in my life ( ex and daughter)' I can honestly say that this is the lowest I have been. Last thursday should and would have been my last day in this earth but for the intervention of my ex reaching out to some old army buddies. What should be a turning point and a fresh start I cry at least three times a day. Yet every day I wake up optimistic that this day will be better than yesterday.

How are you doing, pal? You've been to hell and back.

[Mindrasect]

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[pontius pilate]

How are you doing, pal? You've been to hell and back.

Surviving bud cheers. Just got some news tonight that has set me back. Ive spoken to the person and been asked to.trust them to make the correct decision which im sure they will. Thanks for asking pal

[Hibernia&Alba]

Surviving bud cheers. Just got some news tonight that has set me back. Ive spoken to the person and been asked to.trust them to make the correct decision which im sure they will. Thanks for asking pal

I really hope all it works out for you. We don't appreciate how difficult life is for a lot of people, until we too find ourselves in a crisis. I hope you have support around you; it's vital to have that. It's especially important to have people around you at this time of year.

[beensaidbefore]

I suffer from ptsd depression and anxiety. so six weeks ago today my life got turned upside down and inside out. I lost my job home and family got arrested and charged due to malicious family members. Ended up in temporary homeless accommodation. Just moved into a permanent address on Tuesday. But yet because I cant live or see the two rocks in my life ( ex and daughter)' I can honestly say that this is the lowest I have been. Last thursday should and would have been my last day in this earth but for the intervention of my ex reaching out to some old army buddies. What should be a turning point and a fresh start I cry at least three times a day. Yet every day I wake up optimistic that this day will be better than yesterday.

You sound like a very brave man. To live through what you have and be here to share your experiences with us is a teatament to that. Forgive my lack of understanding of your individual situation. Perhaps you have already tried contacting them, but if not it may be worth a go.
https://www.thevetsproject.com

I have heard very positive things about them and how they can support ex service personel, often by linking them in with other people who can understand some of what you may have been through.

You don't know me, I don't know you, but if you ever need someone to chat to please drop me a line. A problem shared is a problem halved, or so they say.

[Hibernia&Alba]

You sound like a very brave man. To live through what you have and be here to share your experiences with us is a teatament to that. Forgive my lack of understanding of your individual situation. Perhaps you have already tried contacting them, but if not it may be worth a go.
https://www.thevetsproject.com

I have heard very positive things about them and how they can support ex service personel, often by linking them in with other people who can understand some of what you may have been through.

You don't know me, I don't know you, but if you ever need someone to chat to please drop me a line. A problem shared is a problem halved, or so they say.

:top marks

[pontius pilate]

Folks thank you all its very humbling to know there is strangers out there who care. Quick update my ex and daughter are back in my life although cautious at least I will see them both on xmas day for a.bit. I have a xmas lunch with other veterans today. It also looks like the trust paid off and the correct decision was made. I do have an esa assessment today at 9 but what will be will be. A good day and like a I said every day I start with an optimistic view of the world.

GGTTH

[Hibernia&Alba]

Folks thank you all its very humbling to know there is strangers out there who care. Quick update my ex and daughter are back in my life although cautious at least I will see them both on xmas day for a.bit. I have a xmas lunch with other veterans today. It also looks like the trust paid off and the correct decision was made. I do have an esa assessment today at 9 but what will be will be. A good day and like a I said every day I start with an optimistic view of the world.

GGTTH

It's great to hear you have some good news. Where there's life there's hope. Those small steps add up :aok:

[Dalianwanda]

I work as a coach/teacher/speaker helping folk have a better relationship with thoughts and emotions. I’m not really teaching again till the end of the month & would like to help anyone that would like a bit of support. So if you want a chat with no cost,just get in touch on my facebook john g coaching page ........As i say, not looking for business just offering an ear if you want it

[Tornadoes70]

It's great to hear you have some good news. Where there's life there's hope. Those small steps add up :aok:

:agree:

You're a good un mate.

[Pete]

I work as a coach/teacher/speaker helping folk have a better relationship with thoughts and emotions. I’m not really teaching again till the end of the month & would like to help anyone that would like a bit of support. So if you want a chat with no cost,just get in touch on my facebook john g coaching page ........As i say, not looking for business just offering an ear if you want it

What a nice offer. 👍🏼

There’s always something that restores your faith in human nature.

[LustForLeith]

Folks thank you all its very humbling to know there is strangers out there who care. Quick update my ex and daughter are back in my life although cautious at least I will see them both on xmas day for a.bit. I have a xmas lunch with other veterans today. It also looks like the trust paid off and the correct decision was made. I do have an esa assessment today at 9 but what will be will be. A good day and like a I said every day I start with an optimistic view of the world.

GGTTH

How’s things been since then mate? Hope things are going as well as they can.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I work as a coach/teacher/speaker helping folk have a better relationship with thoughts and emotions. I’m not really teaching again till the end of the month & would like to help anyone that would like a bit of support. So if you want a chat with no cost,just get in touch on my facebook john g coaching page ........As i say, not looking for business just offering an ear if you want it

Lovely touch, mate :top marks

[pontius pilate]

How’s things been since then mate? Hope things are going as well as they can.

Been.rough over xmas but Ive survived and every day is small steps but getting there. Ive let myself down twice by going back to alcohol I know it's not the solution but had to get it out my system in a way. Apart from last nights score all in all a decent festive period.
Thanks for asking pal.

GGTTH

[Hibernia&Alba]

Been.rough over xmas but Ive survived and every day is small steps but getting there. Ive let myself down twice by going back to alcohol I know it's not the solution but had to get it out my system in a way. Apart from last nights score all in all a decent festive period.
Thanks for asking pal.

GGTTH

Hang in there; small victories etc. Don't beat yourself up because not everything is going perfectly. It's overall progress, in the face of challenges, that matters.

[Sylar]

January always feels like it's a year long in its own right, but the end is in sight at last! I'm definitely looking forward to the lighter nights arriving and the better weather rolling around again.

I'm not sure if anyone on here has posted about this, but I'm wondering whether there are any in our little group who are either diagnosed with, or have reason to believe they have PTSD?

My wife reckons I have PTSD stemming from when our daughter was born. Her arrival was incredibly difficult, resulting in emergency cuts and baby having to be resucitated when she was eventually delivered - I was simply pushed into a room by the midwives out the way and spent 10 minutes not knowing what was going on - inconsolable is not a word I use lightly, and I genuinely feared the worst. Since then (almost 2 years later now), my moods have been very volatile indeed. I get angry quite quickly, overly emotional and worried whenever she's unwell and don't react well to fight or flight situations that never once would have phased me.

I'm well aware PTSD in men is typically reserved for army veterans or people who work in high-stress situations (e.g., trauma doctors, paramedics, firefighters, police etc) but I think it has increasingly been realised as something that impacts new father's. I'm definitely considering speaking to my GP about it, as the situations don't feel the same as when my anxiety/depression is especially bad. It's a heightened state of awareness, it's a rage and it's almost like an out of body experience.

[WeeRussell]

January always feels like it's a year long in its own right, but the end is in sight at last! I'm definitely looking forward to the lighter nights arriving and the better weather rolling around again.

I'm not sure if anyone on here has posted about this, but I'm wondering whether there are any in our little group who are either diagnosed with, or have reason to believe they have PTSD?

My wife reckons I have PTSD stemming from when our daughter was born. Her arrival was incredibly difficult, resulting in emergency cuts and baby having to be resucitated when she was eventually delivered - I was simply pushed into a room by the midwives out the way and spent 10 minutes not knowing what was going on - inconsolable is not a word I use lightly, and I genuinely feared the worst. Since then (almost 2 years later now), my moods have been very volatile indeed. I get angry quite quickly, overly emotional and worried whenever she's unwell and don't react well to fight or flight situations that never once would have phased me.

I'm well aware PTSD in men is typically reserved for army veterans or people who work in high-stress situations (e.g., trauma doctors, paramedics, firefighters, police etc) but I think it has increasingly been realised as something that impacts new father's. I'm definitely considering speaking to my GP about it, as the situations don't feel the same as when my anxiety/depression is especially bad. It's a heightened state of awareness, it's a rage and it's almost like an out of body experience.

Have no knowledge of the condition mate but I would say definitely consult your GP if it’s on your mind. Incidentally, sorry to hear you’ve had such a rough time of things and hope the near future holds brighter days for you.

[pontius pilate]

January always feels like it's a year long in its own right, but the end is in sight at last! I'm definitely looking forward to the lighter nights arriving and the better weather rolling around again.

I'm not sure if anyone on here has posted about this, but I'm wondering whether there are any in our little group who are either diagnosed with, or have reason to believe they have PTSD?

My wife reckons I have PTSD stemming from when our daughter was born. Her arrival was incredibly difficult, resulting in emergency cuts and baby having to be resucitated when she was eventually delivered - I was simply pushed into a room by the midwives out the way and spent 10 minutes not knowing what was going on - inconsolable is not a word I use lightly, and I genuinely feared the worst. Since then (almost 2 years later now), my moods have been very volatile indeed. I get angry quite quickly, overly emotional and worried whenever she's unwell and don't react well to fight or flight situations that never once would have phased me.

I'm well aware PTSD in men is typically reserved for army veterans or people who work in high-stress situations (e.g., trauma doctors, paramedics, firefighters, police etc) but I think it has increasingly been realised as something that impacts new father's. I'm definitely considering speaking to my GP about it, as the situations don't feel the same as when my anxiety/depression is especially bad. It's a heightened state of awareness, it's a rage and it's almost like an out of body experience.

Hi mate,
it is something I have go to your gp and open up is the best advice I can give. It may well be that you could have the male version of post natal depression. Believe it or not the highest percentage of ptsd sufferers are sexual assualt victims.

GGTTH

[stu in nottingham]

I'm well aware PTSD in men is typically reserved for army veterans or people who work in high-stress situations (e.g., trauma doctors, paramedics, firefighters, police etc) but I think it has increasingly been realised as something that impacts new father's.[...]It's a heightened state of awareness,

Not so much really (the first point). What you describe is a common perception and I can certainly understand why. We can also, for instance include people who are survivors of sexual assault, suicide, various accidents and traumatic events - which they were part of not part of, such as close ones suffering like you mention. Not everyone with PTSD has personally experienced a traumatic event either.

I had a client diagnosed with PTSD who had been through several medical operations several years ago. Clearly in his case traumatic events.

The heightened state of awareness you describe is very symptomatic of anxiety generally. Always looking much more acutely at matters than others being 'ready' and antipicating something bad will happen. Perhaps there is a clue there.

I would most definitely encourage to report this to your GP and i wish you well, Sylar.

[overdrive]

Has anybody else found that their GP is a complete waste of time when it comes to mental health issues?

I’ve been to see two different GPs within my surgery recently about depression and severe problems sleeping and not really got anywhere. All they are willing to do is give me a print out listing websites that I’ve already visited several times before I even went to the doctor and a crappy CD of a guided relaxation (which is for the depression, not the sleeping BTW). The best advice one of them could give was “the best thing to do in this situation would be speak to a sibling” which is all well and good except I’m an only child. I’ve also been told I can’t be that bad because I’m going to work (well that would be because work is actually a form of escape).

On an unrelated matter, I went about a phobia a few years ago and the GP didn’t have a clue what to do and had to google what to do and just told me what I already knew before telling me there was a multi year waiting list for CBT so I just had to grin and bear it.

[TRC]

I've read this thread quite a bit, while feeling low. Recent events in my life seem to have tipped me over the edge, I think I may have been suffering a long time, with depression. It has now cost me my relationship and some close friends, which I don't have many of in Sweden. I already see a psychologist weekly and while it helps, the feelings of despair return after a few days. I've now booked to talk to someone about being prescribed antidepressants after recommendation from my psychologist. I've tried the usual tools such as exersice and daily routine, just lost all lust for life. What I'm getting at is does anybody have recommendations other than antidepressants and the aforementioned tools.

[CropleyWasGod]

I've read this thread quite a bit, while feeling low. Recent events in my life seem to have tipped me over the edge, I think I may have been suffering a long time, with depression. It has now cost me my relationship and some close friends, which I don't have many of in Sweden. I already see a psychologist weekly and while it helps, the feelings of despair return after a few days. I've now booked to talk to someone about being prescribed antidepressants after recommendation from my psychologist. I've tried the usual tools such as exersice and daily routine, just lost all lust for life. What I'm getting at is does anybody have recommendations other than antidepressants and the aforementioned tools.

The bit that sticks out for me is "Sweden".

You'll have had a much darker winter than we have in Scotland; I know that many people close to me suffer because of the lack of light here, so it must be worse for you guys.

Spring is on its way, though, and with it some much-needed light. If it's possible, I would try to get out into natural light as often as you can. Exercise is key to my own recovery, but motivation can be a struggle when it's so grey outside.

Your medication may help you bridge a gap, though, to put you in a more balanced place where you can have a greater sense of control over your mental health.


And maybe think about a light box?

[TRC]

The bit that sticks out for me is "Sweden".

You'll have had a much darker winter than we have in Scotland; I know that many people close to me suffer because of the lack of light here, so it must be worse for you guys.

Spring is on its way, though, and with it some much-needed light. If it's possible, I would try to get out into natural light as often as you can. Exercise is key to my own recovery, but motivation can be a struggle when it's so grey outside.

Your medication may help you bridge a gap, though, to put you in a more balanced place where you can have a greater sense of control over your mental health.


And maybe think about a light box?


Appreciate this Crops, I've been trying the things you suggest but like you say maybe the medicine will help pull it all together. Lights may be an option haven't tried one of those yet.

[CropleyWasGod]

BBC News - Scottish researchers find 100 genes linked to depression
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47118009

[Dalianwanda]

Appreciate this Crops, I've been trying the things you suggest but like you say maybe the medicine will help pull it all together. Lights may be an option haven't tried one of those yet.

Some times we can try to hard to change the way we think or the way we feel. Truth is these are always on the move so it can be hit and miss applying techniques or thinking you need to do something to do better . As well as what has already been mentioned by you and crops I look at not so much focussing on the content of your thoughts (always on the move) and start hanging a bit more with awareness (the thing thats aware of your thoughts)..Awareness is always still. Its what everything you have ever experienced has gone through. SO rather than trying to change mood or thoughts let them do what they do (which is keep on moving if you do nothing with them)..Play with pointing back at the source of everything rather than trying to change what flits through it...Theres lots of weighty books on the subject but one Ive enjoyed and have used in classes is Liberation Is - by Salvadore Poe..Simply written and lots of rest in between messages to let them sink in/settle/assimilate..If you ever want a chat on skype just let me know.

[WeeRussell]

What a great thread this is. I’ll bet there’s a good few posters benefitting from it, not only from direct advice but also simply the reading and sharing of experiences.

I’m not someone that suffers from depression (though someone very close to me does) and I think this thread is brilliant.. hopefully it’s therefore useful to those that are battling.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I've been listening a fair bit recently to a "Feel Better, Live More" podcast from Dr Ranjan ChatterJee which has led to me buying his book - the 4 pillar plan about how eat/sleep/relax/move can be key to a longer, healthier life.

My own depression and anxiety stems a lot from a backinjury I’ve been unable to resolve but probably never truly identified that wasthe root cause. One specific podcast around how inflammation in the body is a keydriver for depression and anxiety articulated my condition probably better thanI ever have or doctor has ever diagnosed.

If you're looking for something a little different from the usual stuff online or from what your GP says/prescribes, I recommend checking out the podcast/book as I now have a plan in place for each of the 4 pillars and am feeling pretty strong/good/positive about it for a change

[Zazu62]

I've been listening a fair bit recently to a "Feel Better, Live More" podcast from Dr Ranjan ChatterJee which has led to me buying his book - the 4 pillar plan about how eat/sleep/relax/move can be key to a longer, healthier life.

My own depression and anxiety stems a lot from a backinjury I’ve been unable to resolve but probably never truly identified that wasthe root cause. One specific podcast around how inflammation in the body is a keydriver for depression and anxiety articulated my condition probably better thanI ever have or doctor has ever diagnosed.

If you're looking for something a little different from the usual stuff online or from what your GP says/prescribes, I recommend checking out the podcast/book as I now have a plan in place for each of the 4 pillars and am feeling pretty strong/good/positive about it for a change




Try taking magnesium, one tablet a day of magnesium can significantly reduce anxiety and depression. Also look into taking vitamin C. Doctors don’t mention vitamins and minerals!

[Antifa Hibs]

Don't want to hijack the thread as i've never been diagnosed with depression or mental illnesses. However like most people I do feel down from time to time, more so in the winter, infact in the winter I do get very very low to the stage i've went to see a doctor etc. Anyway, last September I binned all social media. I was never a massive user but Insta, Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter etc the whole lot got binned. Not just uninstalled but deleted the accounts and all i can say is what a massive massive difference to me its been. My mindset over the winter has been great, havn't bothered with the light therapy or vitamin c etc yet feeling pretty darn good.

Been doing some reading about social media and mental health and there does appear to be a link which i felt a bit strange as i'm not a jealous or materialistic person and very content with life. Anyway, it might be worth a try for some of you guys out there. I havn't missed it in the slightest and replaced the time wasted on social media with magazines or books and feel all the better for it.

[CropleyWasGod]

Don't want to hijack the thread as i've never been diagnosed with depression or mental illnesses. However like most people I do feel down from time to time, more so in the winter, infact in the winter I do get very very low to the stage i've went to see a doctor etc. Anyway, last September I binned all social media. I was never a massive user but Insta, Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter etc the whole lot got binned. Not just uninstalled but deleted the accounts and all i can say is what a massive massive difference to me its been. My mindset over the winter has been great, havn't bothered with the light therapy or vitamin c etc yet feeling pretty darn good.

Been doing some reading about social media and mental health and there does appear to be a link which i felt a bit strange as i'm not a jealous or materialistic person and very content with life. Anyway, it might be worth a try for some of you guys out there. I havn't missed it in the slightest and replaced the time wasted on social media with magazines or books and feel all the better for it.

I don't think this is a hijack at all. There's a lot to be said for what you've done.

Apart from the physiological effects of being online a lot (blue light, poor sleeping patterns etc), there's also the psychological effects. It's very easy to have that feeling of FOMO when we're on social media.... everyone else's life is so much better than mine etc etc. Add to that the addictive feelings that go along with it, and the resultant guilt and anxiety.

Nice one :aok:

[Keyser Sauzee]

It’s been recommended to me to listen to Binaural Beats at night when going to sleep to help with anxiety. I’ve been putting them on for the past week and I have to say I feel a lot better. I don’t have any evidence to show that it’s due to this but all I can say is it’s night and day in how I’ve felt over the last week and can’t remember feeling so relaxed and even confident. Has anyone used this technique before? It’s definitely something to try if u haven’t already and are struggling with anxiety.

[CropleyWasGod]

It’s been recommended to me to listen to Binaural Beats at night when going to sleep to help with anxiety. I’ve been putting them on for the past week and I have to say I feel a lot better. I don’t have any evidence to show that it’s due to this but all I can say is it’s night and day in how I’ve felt over the last week and can’t remember feeling so relaxed and even confident. Has anyone used this technique before? It’s definitely something to try if u haven’t already and are struggling with anxiety.

I sometimes use something similar when I'm stressed and not sleeping well. As has often been said, good sleeping patterns are crucial for good mental health.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2019/mar/04/elite-sport-mental-health

Only very slightly off topic and i found it very interesting.

[Scorrie]

I read that article earlier today (and have been reading this thread over the weekend as an going though a bad episode of anxiety and there’s a lot of good advice and support on this thread). The guardian article is helpful as it is the pursuit of perfection which can cause so much stress and anxiety, which when coupled with a blame culture which I have in work, can be really toxic. Trying a range of coping strategies which haven’t been working (but am physically fitter as am exercising a lot) but have completely given up caffeine which is a major stressor. Certainly seem a bit calmer but have a banging heid with withdrawal symptoms! I’ll take that though if it helps manage the anxiety. Also have told my boss and HR. Talking really does help

[wpj]

I read that article earlier today (and have been reading this thread over the weekend as an going though a bad episode of anxiety and there’s a lot of good advice and support on this thread). The guardian article is helpful as it is the pursuit of perfection which can cause so much stress and anxiety, which when coupled with a blame culture which I have in work, can be really toxic. Trying a range of coping strategies which haven’t been working (but am physically fitter as am exercising a lot) but have completely given up caffeine which is a major stressor. Certainly seem a bit calmer but have a banging heid with withdrawal symptoms! I’ll take that though if it helps manage the anxiety. Also have told my boss and HR. Talking really does help

Got your back T as you have always got mine.

Talking of sleep music I can recomend Moby's website where he gives out long mixes for sleep and relaxation no charge
moby sleep music, Google it.
Tom Middleton has a sleep CD which is really good Sleep Better https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07923JSCF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_fEvFCb8N1MWEK plus the longest one I know which is Sleep https://g.co/kgs/QBZ3WD
I have not managed to last the whole thing and it is available as a shorter project on CD
Hope this helps

[Northernhibee]

I sometimes use something similar when I'm stressed and not sleeping well. As has often been said, good sleeping patterns are crucial for good mental health.

I had a horrific time sleeping when I was in the motor trade and binaural beats and the like often made a good difference. You're quite right about sleeping patterns though, since leaving to a job with a lot less stress I have been able to sleep better and others have commented that I come across as a totally different person. Even the fact I had to take a huge pay cut to do it is easier to deal with because I'm rested and can plan better.

I still have occasional issues with anxiety and stress but since getting the sleeping down it's nowhere near as bad. Lush do a body rub that is scented with lavender and tonka bean that knocks me out (and I know others who say the same), that, the binaural beats or subliminal messages and taking half an hour before bed to do nothing but listen to some chilled out music to actually stop for a bit in the day makes a big difference.

I realise that it's a case study of one but those things combined are usually pretty effective for me.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Been.rough over xmas but Ive survived and every day is small steps but getting there. Ive let myself down twice by going back to alcohol I know it's not the solution but had to get it out my system in a way. Apart from last nights score all in all a decent festive period.
Thanks for asking pal.

GGTTH

How are things going, pp? Hope you're doing well :aok:

[wpj]

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/campaigns/mental-health-awareness-week

Would hate to see this thread disappear so BUMP! It is mental health awareness week so an appropriate time for bumpage.
This thread has helped many and will be a big help to some who have never seen it before.

[pontius pilate]

How are things going, pp? Hope you're doing well :aok:

Hi mate sorry it's taken time to get back to you. Just now everything is balanced working with professionals and other organisations to help get myself back on track. Hopefully starting college in August I got accepted with an unconditional offer for introduction to counselling. As I've always said when I get into the black hole it's really only me who can bring myself out obviously with the right support in place but again I have to ask for the support if nobody knows how can they help

Thanks for asking bud.

Hope all is well for others going through this hard time.

[StevesFamau5]

Looking for some advice on experiences with anti depressants and sleep.

I am really bad at remembering to take my meds first thing in the morning and recently I've been taking it in the evening,I'm not sure if it is linked but since then my sleep is being ruined by horrific dreams. I have had some really messed up dreams which are almost impossible to comprehend. I am on pro longed release 37.5mg venlafaxine. Has anyone else had similar experiences?

[wpj]

I take slow release tablets for a non mental health condition and have been advised to take them in the mornings. I am on about ten tablets in the mornings, a few in the lunchtime and several at night. Although I am asked to take them with or without food I simply can't and take them when I can. Best to ask your GP maybe set an alarm to remind you.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hi mate sorry it's taken time to get back to you. Just now everything is balanced working with professionals and other organisations to help get myself back on track. Hopefully starting college in August I got accepted with an unconditional offer for introduction to counselling. As I've always said when I get into the black hole it's really only me who can bring myself out obviously with the right support in place but again I have to ask for the support if nobody knows how can they help

Thanks for asking bud.

Hope all is well for others going through this hard time.

I'm really glad you are doing something like that and looking ahead. It takes inner strength to come through and re-build, even with the great help of others. I really hope it works out for you at college. Do it and give yourself that chance.

[Fife-Hibee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3aIQuMWJCA

[barcahibs]

Looking for some advice on experiences with anti depressants and sleep.

I am really bad at remembering to take my meds first thing in the morning and recently I've been taking it in the evening,I'm not sure if it is linked but since then my sleep is being ruined by horrific dreams. I have had some really messed up dreams which are almost impossible to comprehend. I am on pro longed release 37.5mg venlafaxine. Has anyone else had similar experiences?

We need to be careful generalising as every med effects people in different ways and working out the exact causes of side effects can be really difficult. But yeah I had something very similar when on Venlafaxine, the weirdest, most vivid dreams imaginable combined with massive nighttime sweating fits and a couple (very rare) of waking dreams/hallucinations.

I really feel for you, I've been off meds for a while now but remember the dreams too well. Like always the answer is to speak to your GP and weigh up the benefits of the drug against its side effects, only you can decide what's worth it for you - but don't just stop taking them :agree:

[barcahibs]

Wanted to put this in a seperate post so as not to send any mixed messages with the previous one.

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/13/two-hour-dose-nature-weekly-boosts-health-study-finds?__twitter_impression=true

More evidence that getting outside and interacting with nature has multiple benefits for your mental health - whether you consider yourself to be 'outdoorsy' or not.

The evidence around this approach continues to grow. It's not a cure - and no one should be thinking about dropping their meds or other therapies and replacing it with a trip to the park without the advice of their GP - but it really, really works.

This is what I do nowadays, a couple of weeks ago we had 200 NHS practitioners out for a demonstration, you're going to keep seeing more of it.

Not long after I gave a presentation to another group, I hadn't read the brief properly and expected about 20 people to be listening - so it was a bit of a surprise to walk out to an audience of about 400. Tbh it wasn't the best presentation I've ever given, but I stood and gave it - this is me that a few years ago used to shut myself in the bathroom and hide for an hour if I saw the postman coming to my door because I was do afraid to speak. Me who had to have a therapist coach me into going out into the streets to put the bins out. Me who was told I'd never work, never have 'normal' relationships, to 'manage my expectations' about a 'normal' life.

For people in the right place in their lives spending time in nature works.

And for me the best thing is that - although it's great that there are services out there that can help you take the first steps and can work to build your confidence and knowledge - it's not exactly rocket science. You don't really need me or people like me at all, you can, when you feel ready, just step outside.

There are loads of services and groups out there, it's definitely worth giving it a google.

[Scorrie]

Wanted to put this in a seperate post so as not to send any mixed messages with the previous one.

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/13/two-hour-dose-nature-weekly-boosts-health-study-finds?__twitter_impression=true

More evidence that getting outside and interacting with nature has multiple benefits for your mental health - whether you consider yourself to be 'outdoorsy' or not.

The evidence around this approach continues to grow. It's not a cure - and no one should be thinking about dropping their meds or other therapies and replacing it with a trip to the park without the advice of their GP - but it really, really works.

This is what I do nowadays, a couple of weeks ago we had 200 NHS practitioners out for a demonstration, you're going to keep seeing more of it.

Not long after I gave a presentation to another group, I hadn't read the brief properly and expected about 20 people to be listening - so it was a bit of a surprise to walk out to an audience of about 400. Tbh it wasn't the best presentation I've ever given, but I stood and gave it - this is me that a few years ago used to shut myself in the bathroom and hide for an hour if I saw the postman coming to my door because I was do afraid to speak. Me who had to have a therapist coach me into going out into the streets to put the bins out. Me who was told I'd never work, never have 'normal' relationships, to 'manage my expectations' about a 'normal' life.

For people in the right place in their lives spending time in nature works.

And for me the best thing is that - although it's great that there are services out there that can help you take the first steps and can work to build your confidence and knowledge - it's not exactly rocket science. You don't really need me or people like me at all, you can, when you feel ready, just step outside.

There are loads of services and groups out there, it's definitely worth giving it a google.

Thanks for posting this. I am recovering from a serious bout of mental health illness largely based on anxiety and stress. I wasn’t prescribed meds but counselling so don’t have meds to drop but being outdoors and exercise in general has been a great help and continues to be. Not always easy if you’re feeling knackered, and being mentally ill is tiring, but even 20-40 mins helps

[Pretty Boy]

Wanted to put this in a seperate post so as not to send any mixed messages with the previous one.

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/13/two-hour-dose-nature-weekly-boosts-health-study-finds?__twitter_impression=true

More evidence that getting outside and interacting with nature has multiple benefits for your mental health - whether you consider yourself to be 'outdoorsy' or not.

The evidence around this approach continues to grow. It's not a cure - and no one should be thinking about dropping their meds or other therapies and replacing it with a trip to the park without the advice of their GP - but it really, really works.

This is what I do nowadays, a couple of weeks ago we had 200 NHS practitioners out for a demonstration, you're going to keep seeing more of it.

Not long after I gave a presentation to another group, I hadn't read the brief properly and expected about 20 people to be listening - so it was a bit of a surprise to walk out to an audience of about 400. Tbh it wasn't the best presentation I've ever given, but I stood and gave it - this is me that a few years ago used to shut myself in the bathroom and hide for an hour if I saw the postman coming to my door because I was do afraid to speak. Me who had to have a therapist coach me into going out into the streets to put the bins out. Me who was told I'd never work, never have 'normal' relationships, to 'manage my expectations' about a 'normal' life.

For people in the right place in their lives spending time in nature works.

And for me the best thing is that - although it's great that there are services out there that can help you take the first steps and can work to build your confidence and knowledge - it's not exactly rocket science. You don't really need me or people like me at all, you can, when you feel ready, just step outside.

There are loads of services and groups out there, it's definitely worth giving it a google.

That's a really interesting article.

I was listening to a podcast recently and they mentioned that GPs in England have recently started to 'prescribe' Parkrun to people with both physical and mental illnesses.

Whilst obviously it's not for everyone and certainly not for people at an acute stage of illness it seems a great idea for people maybe looking for a way to get outside, get fit and interact with people. The non competitive nature and general friendliness of Parkrun seems as good a place as any to suggest to people.

Whilst I would 100% argue that traditional medicines and therapies have their place it is good to see a recognition of the benefits of a more holistic approach as well.

[barcahibs]

Thanks for posting this. I am recovering from a serious bout of mental health illness largely based on anxiety and stress. I wasn’t prescribed meds but counselling so don’t have meds to drop but being outdoors and exercise in general has been a great help and continues to be. Not always easy if you’re feeling knackered, and being mentally ill is tiring, but even 20-40 mins helps

Yeah I think one thing that folk who haven't experienced depression and anxiety don't get is how physically exhausting it is just getting through a day. You have to use so much energy just to face the world.

20-40 minutes is great I wouldn't knock that at all. But if you really, really can't face going out then studies have shown that just looking out the window has a measurable positive effect. Actually there are some studies that suggest just looking at pictures of nature makes a difference - our bodies are hardwired to be fascinated by trees and other living things, and while your mind is busy processing them you don't have the mental 'time' to be anxious. Or at least that's one of the theories!


That's a really interesting article.

I was listening to a podcast recently and they mentioned that GPs in England have recently started to 'prescribe' Parkrun to people with both physical and mental illnesses.

Whilst obviously it's not for everyone and certainly not for people at an acute stage of illness it seems a great idea for people maybe looking for a way to get outside, get fit and interact with people. The non competitive nature and general friendliness of Parkrun seems as good a place as any to suggest to people.

Whilst I would 100% argue that traditional medicines and therapies have their place it is good to see a recognition of the benefits of a more holistic approach as well.

It's happening here too. Branching Out is the 'government' run version of what my work does (we're a charity) and it's basically time in the outdoors that is prescribed by your doctor. I'm a branching out leader too and it's a great scheme.

My own project now regularly gets referrals from GPs, health workers, CMHTs and OTs and we were originally part funded by the NHS. The big challenge is finding enough funding so you can be around long enough for health workers to have heard of you and to trust that you'll still be running when they do refer to you. Due to the way funding works in this country its a constant battle.

You'll hear a lot more of this, SNH (the government body that looks after nature in Scotland) is getting into what it calls our 'Natural Health Service' in a big way and various environmental charities are keen to use the 'ecosystem services' argument (basically all the useful things we can get for free from nature rather than paying for them) to boost their own conservation arguments.

Like i say, it's not a cure, it'll never replace conventional medical approaches, only supplement them, and it won't have the same effect on everyone, but it does work, and it is essentially free of charge and side effects...

[Antifa Hibs]

That's a really interesting article.

I was listening to a podcast recently and they mentioned that GPs in England have recently started to 'prescribe' Parkrun to people with both physical and mental illnesses.

Whilst obviously it's not for everyone and certainly not for people at an acute stage of illness it seems a great idea for people maybe looking for a way to get outside, get fit and interact with people. The non competitive nature and general friendliness of Parkrun seems as good a place as any to suggest to people.

Whilst I would 100% argue that traditional medicines and therapies have their place it is good to see a recognition of the benefits of a more holistic approach as well.

I've listened to something similar. Think it was Feel Better Live More podcast by Dr Chatterjee. I think the community aspect of Parkrun was just as good for you as the exercise. Even if you can't run volunteering by handing out oranges or doing registration and going for a coffee afterwards with people is meant to be just as beneficial as running. Despite holding a device in our pockets 99% of the day that connects us to the whole world in seconds - we are being more and more isolated as a race and this is having a massive affect on mental health. Something to do with our brains are still programmed back to the stone age were we lived in tribes and small close-knitted communities but these days despite technology and living in huge cities, find ourselves to be pretty isolated. Fascinating stuff these studies have shown (maybe not so much if you're suffering I guess).

Dr Chatterjee and Geoff Lloyd & Ed Miliband have podcasts on mental health with guests - well worth a listen.

Regarding excerise and getting outdoors I find it a brilliant way to clear the head and as a 9-5 desk jocky (well really half 8 to half 5) find it very beneficial. A 3 mile walk up and down the canal or round arthur seat etc is barry during the summer months - not so much the winter months however!

Stick in everyone.

[barcahibs]

I've listened to something similar. Think it was Feel Better Live More podcast by Dr Chatterjee. I think the community aspect of Parkrun was just as good for you as the exercise. Even if you can't run volunteering by handing out oranges or doing registration and going for a coffee afterwards with people is meant to be just as beneficial as running. Despite holding a device in our pockets 99% of the day that connects us to the whole world in seconds - we are being more and more isolated as a race and this is having a massive affect on mental health. Something to do with our brains are still programmed back to the stone age were we lived in tribes and small close-knitted communities but these days despite technology and living in huge cities, find ourselves to be pretty isolated. Fascinating stuff these studies have shown (maybe not so much if you're suffering I guess).

Dr Chatterjee and Geoff Lloyd & Ed Miliband have podcasts on mental health with guests - well worth a listen.

Regarding excerise and getting outdoors I find it a brilliant way to clear the head and as a 9-5 desk jocky (well really half 8 to half 5) find it very beneficial. A 3 mile walk up and down the canal or round arthur seat etc is barry during the summer months - not so much the winter months however!

Stick in everyone.

Totally agree about the social aspect, one of the big things we do us that we always, always stop our sessions to make a cup of tea on an outdoor kettle and sit and chat around the fire. If folk want to talk about their lives we'll listen, if folk want to banter that's great, and if folk want to just sit and listen there's no pressure to speak.

My boss accuses me of including this as just an excuse to get paid to drink coffee (he's kidding) but for me it's probably the most important thing we do.

There's a huge social ritual around making and sharing a cuppa that everyone (OK almost everyone) in the UK almost instinctively understands. It's a great socialising opportunity, it's easy to do, it requires no skills (beyond safely lighting a fire, which we'll teach you), there's roles for everyone (sorting the water, the cups, finding the spoons, handing out the biscuits, taking orders, cleaning up after) and there's opportunities to bond over things like remembering other people's favourite drink or how many sugars they take.

If you are socially isolated how often in a week does someone make you a cup of tea? More importantly, how often do you get a chance to make a cup of tea for someone else? To get that wee glow inside when some says "thank you" and enjoys your cuppa, or when someone remembers you take milk and two sugars.

It doesn't seem like much but don't underestimate the small stuff.

Do it outdoors and the nature effect just multiplies everything.

A couple of links below to research, if anyone is interested I have loads more of these.

http://publications.naturalengland.org.uk/publication/4513819616346112

https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/ecominds-effects-on-mental-wellbeing-an-evaluation-for-mind

[wpj]

Circumstances have conspired to put me back a wee bit. Looking for something to get me back up, been here before and sadly will be here again but still optimistically looking forward

[MSK]

Circumstances have conspired to put me back a wee bit. Looking for something to get me back up, been here before and sadly will be here again but still optimistically looking forwardStick in mate, we are all here for you 👍

[wpj]

Stick in mate, we are all here for you 👍

Thanks, this thread has been a massive help. The professional people I talk to have been pleasantly surprised that a football forum has been such a help. I feel lucky to have this resource as well as the wonderful NHS who are strained to the max but still supply much needed assistance.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Thanks, this thread has been a massive help. The professional people I talk to have been pleasantly surprised that a football forum has been such a help. I feel lucky to have this resource as well as the wonderful NHS who are strained to the max but still supply much needed assistance.

It's by far the best thread there's ever been on here.

[MSK]

It's by far the best thread there's ever been on here.Totally, seven years old and still going strong 👍

[wpj]

Totally, seven years old and still going strong 👍

As are we, that is a testament to our own strengths and limitations. I used to read this thread and seldom comment. The years have passed and I am very open now about my illness. I have a degenerative heart condition and severe anxiety and panic attacks. As a result? I don't think they are connected but they certainly don't help each other much. A massive thank you for this thread. All the contributors and people looking in we all know we are not alone, that is the scariest thing, trying to deal with it alone. Now I dont have to.

[MSK]

As are we, that is a testament to our own strengths and limitations. I used to read this thread and seldom comment. The years have passed and I am very open now about my illness. I have a degenerative heart condition and severe anxiety and panic attacks. As a result? I don't think they are connected but they certainly don't help each other much. A massive thank you for this thread. All the contributors and people looking in we all know we are not alone, that is the scariest thing, trying to deal with it alone. Now I dont have to.Mate thats brutal, you are certainly being put through the mill, I can relate to your issues in a way, my depression started due to my heart condition (now repaired) Ive been through the deaths of both my parents and came through unscathed, I genuinely expected the black dog to bite me again but I think dealing with depression in the past gave me a bit steel back.

The sudden loss of my hearing, 60% in one ear and 40% in the other and tinnitus triggered my anxiety, Ive coped with it so far and my anxiety, from being every day for over a year has reduced to practically zero. I still have my down days, esp when my tinnitus is full on, its absolutely brutal to live with and can be very debilitating at times but self reassurance gets me through it, along with this thread. Some fantastic contributions and warming to think we are not alone, we are all in this together.

Stay strong bud 🇳🇬👍🇳🇬

[Pretty Boy]

I couldn't beieve this thread was 7 years old, I had to go back to the 1st page to check and it's been interesting reading.

In many ways 7 years ago feels like another lifetime. When I read back through my posts on here, Facebook etc from that time I see a sneering, cynical and bitter person. I was unhappy so I hated seeing other people having fun or being passionate about things. It's only relatively recently I began to shed that bitterness. I was bitter about my anxiety, bitter about the poor choices I had made that cost me friends and opportunities and bitter about missing out on what should have been a great time in my life, partially through my own fault and partly through circumstances. I've come to realise I can't change the past and whatever I feel about it is irrelevant. It took me a long time to realise trying to be someone else or trying to live up to other people's expectations put unnecessary pressure on me and fuelled both my anxiety and my compulsive behaviour. It seems what really makes me happy is living a simple life. I have a job I don't mind, a small but close group of friends, a girlfriend who has put up with a lot from me and a daughter who quite literally lights up my life. Every time I see her or think about her it makes me smile from ear to ear.

To echo others I'd like to say a massive thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I'm far more of a sporadic reader and poster (of this thread) now than I was a few years back but for a long time it was, and indeed still is, a great source of comfort and support. This forum has a lot of conflicting opinions and it often gets heated as we get irrationally passionate about 22 men booting a ball about; however at it's heart there are a lot of very good, caring people who have helped each other out either directly or indirectly. If anyone hasn't contributed to this thread yet but feels they may want or need to then please do and to those who are regular contributors please continue to be.

[LustForLeith]

Good morning folks,

This is a brilliant thread and one that highlights the benefits of a football forum. Well done to those who’ve spoken openly about what they’ve been and are going through. You should all be very proud.

There’s a drop in session for The Changing Room tonight. For those that don’t know about it, The Changing Room is a programme designed to help men in their middle years tackle depression through football and Hibs were the first club to be involved.

More information on what the Changing Room is about is here http://www.thechangingroom.org.uk/

Tonight we’re meeting at the West Stand at 6pm. If you or anyone you know Wants to come along then feel free to do so.

See you there 👍

[LustForLeith]

Good morning folks,

This is a brilliant thread and one that highlights the benefits of a football forum. Well done to those who’ve spoken openly about what they’ve been and are going through. You should all be very proud.

There’s a drop in session for The Changing Room tonight. For those that don’t know about it, The Changing Room is a programme designed to help men in their middle years tackle depression through football and Hibs were the first club to be involved.

More information on what the Changing Room is about is here http://www.thechangingroom.org.uk/

Tonight we’re meeting at the West Stand at 6pm. If you or anyone you know Wants to come along then feel free to do so.

See you there 👍

That was a good drop in session last night. We had quite a few men turn up and because it was a nice evening we had a walk and talk around the Easter Road pitch. The whole event was supposed to lay ninety minutes but we were still there closer to two hours.

Well done to those who came along 👍

[Dalianwanda]

As are we, that is a testament to our own strengths and limitations. I used to read this thread and seldom comment. The years have passed and I am very open now about my illness. I have a degenerative heart condition and severe anxiety and panic attacks. As a result? I don't think they are connected but they certainly don't help each other much. A massive thank you for this thread. All the contributors and people looking in we all know we are not alone, that is the scariest thing, trying to deal with it alone. Now I dont have to.

I did this article for a local magazine last year on Panic Attcks. My approach has changed slightly but this may be of help to you http://www.johngcoaching.com/blog/2018/9/12/how-to-make-panic-attacks-a-thing-of-the-past

[wpj]

I did this article for a local magazine last year on Panic Attcks. My approach has changed slightly but this may be of help to you http://www.johngcoaching.com/blog/2018/9/12/how-to-make-panic-attacks-a-thing-of-the-past

Thanks, I have several coping methods but will add this advice to the list

[Dalianwanda]

Thanks, I have several coping methods but will add this advice to the list

What ever helps dude...any questions you know where i am 👊😉

[wpj]

What ever helps dude...any questions you know where i am 👊😉

Thanks 👍👊

[beensaidbefore]

Apologies if it's posted earlier in the thread. Came across this today and thought it was quite a helpful video. It makes a comparison between depression and the 'black dog' that follows you around appearing at unexpected times and manifesting itself in unhelpful ways. Might be a helpful resource to share with someone who finds it diffixukt to understand how depression can impact on somebody's life.


https://youtu.be/2VRRx7Mtep8

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I couldn't beieve this thread was 7 years old, I had to go back to the 1st page to check and it's been interesting reading.

In many ways 7 years ago feels like another lifetime. When I read back through my posts on here, Facebook etc from that time I see a sneering, cynical and bitter person. I was unhappy so I hated seeing other people having fun or being passionate about things. It's only relatively recently I began to shed that bitterness. I was bitter about my anxiety, bitter about the poor choices I had made that cost me friends and opportunities and bitter about missing out on what should have been a great time in my life, partially through my own fault and partly through circumstances. I've come to realise I can't change the past and whatever I feel about it is irrelevant. It took me a long time to realise trying to be someone else or trying to live up to other people's expectations put unnecessary pressure on me and fuelled both my anxiety and my compulsive behaviour. It seems what really makes me happy is living a simple life. I have a job I don't mind, a small but close group of friends, a girlfriend who has put up with a lot from me and a daughter who quite literally lights up my life. Every time I see her or think about her it makes me smile from ear to ear.

To echo others I'd like to say a massive thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread. I'm far more of a sporadic reader and poster (of this thread) now than I was a few years back but for a long time it was, and indeed still is, a great source of comfort and support. This forum has a lot of conflicting opinions and it often gets heated as we get irrationally passionate about 22 men booting a ball about; however at it's heart there are a lot of very good, caring people who have helped each other out either directly or indirectly. If anyone hasn't contributed to this thread yet but feels they may want or need to then please do and to those who are regular contributors please continue to be.

I think one day soon I will add my experiences to this thread. Often read it but not really had the balls to post on it as some people know me personally. I’ve found writing to be cathartic and for that reason alone, I’ll contribute soon.

[wpj]

I think one day soon I will add my experiences to this thread. Often read it but not really had the balls to post on it as some people know me personally. I’ve found writing to be cathartic and for that reason alone, I’ll contribute soon.

Needs to be when you feel comfortable, loads of support here 👍

[Dalianwanda]

That was a good drop in session last night. We had quite a few men turn up and because it was a nice evening we had a walk and talk around the Easter Road pitch. The whole event was supposed to lay ninety minutes but we were still there closer to two hours.

Well done to those who came along 👍

Sounds like a great initiative 🙏💚

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Good morning folks,

This is a brilliant thread and one that highlights the benefits of a football forum. Well done to those who’ve spoken openly about what they’ve been and are going through. You should all be very proud.

There’s a drop in session for The Changing Room tonight. For those that don’t know about it, The Changing Room is a programme designed to help men in their middle years tackle depression through football and Hibs were the first club to be involved.

More information on what the Changing Room is about is here http://www.thechangingroom.org.uk/

Tonight we’re meeting at the West Stand at 6pm. If you or anyone you know Wants to come along then feel free to do so.

See you there 👍

Have you pointed the guys that attend these meets in the direction of this thread?

[LustForLeith]

Have you pointed the guys that attend these meets in the direction of this thread?

I’ve not but I will do at the next drop in which is a couple of weeks. We just had a piece in the STV news along with Hearts promoting the Changing Room.

[LustForLeith]

It’s just to say for those interested there’s a drop in session for The Changing Room tonight. It’s free and a chance for men to meet up in an environment they feel safe in to talk about their mental health. You don’t need to talk if you don’t want to, feel free to come along for a chat and a biscuit. We’re meeting at the West Stand at Easter Road tonight at six.

Further information on the Changing Room can be found here http://hibs.thechangingroom.org.uk/

See you there 👍

[Pagan Hibernia]

So it’s september and, as a few on this thread have pointed out, it’s a time of year that’s difficult for many as the days shorten and darkness starts to take over...

hows everyone doing?

personally I had a relationship come to an end last month and it’s been a very trying few weeks. Some days I could barely make it out of bed such was the emotional paralysis I felt. I feel I’m just starting to come out of it now but as ever it’s a long road and not always a straight one.

[stu in nottingham]

That was a good drop in session last night. We had quite a few men turn up and because it was a nice evening we had a walk and talk around the Easter Road pitch. The whole event was supposed to lay ninety minutes but we were still there closer to two hours.

Well done to those who came along 👍

All joking aside about current circumstances, I'd say that a stroll around the Easter Road pitch on a non-match day would be a very effective therapeutic environment for any of us on this thread. It's a place where we all feel comfortable and one where we love to be. I could see good things coming from that. Kudos to the facilitators and to those who participate.

[LustForLeith]

All joking aside about current circumstances, I'd say that a stroll around the Easter Road pitch on a non-match day would be a very effective therapeutic environment for any of us on this thread. It's a place where we all feel comfortable and one where we love to be. I could see good things coming from that. Kudos to the facilitators and to those who participate.

Walk and talks were introduced in the first place s week programme and no one thought they’d take off as well as they did. Now, weather and health permitting, it’s almost essential.

We didn’t have one last night. Instead we had a discussion on Hibs and the Scottish national team. No guessing how that went! We also had a chat about mental health and a quiz as well.

Some great biscuits such as custard creams and Gold bars. And we also had a bit of a laugh too, there’s times I haven’t laughed as much as I have when going along to the Changing Room.

Who would have thought mental health could be so funny?

[wpj]

Better to laugh then to cry, I often see the funny side to my condition. Good to see some familiar posters here again, Hi Stu, hope you are ok pal.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's by far the best thread there's ever been on here.

One hundred per cent!

[lord bunberry]

One hundred per cent!
It certainly is. I Haven’t contributed for a while due to being on a particularly low point for a good few months. It’s weird how I can try and ignore how I’m feeling by trying to pretend everything is alright, but it doesn’t really work in the long term. There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t think of ending it all, but having spoken to other sufferers I realise that that’s completely normal. This thread is great and it makes me realise I’m not alone.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It certainly is. I Haven’t contributed for a while due to being on a particularly low point for a good few months. It’s weird how I can try and ignore how I’m feeling by trying to pretend everything is alright, but it doesn’t really work in the long term. There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t think of ending it all, but having spoken to other sufferers I realise that that’s completely normal. This thread is great and it makes me realise I’m not alone.
Please hang in there, mate. As I've said in this thread, it's anxiety and not depression which has always been my issue, and I think that's more bearable, as it doesn't involve the despair of depression. Clinical depression must be torture and takes a strong person to bear it. As for your point on denial, it's a coping mechanism which helps survival, and it's only when we are strong enough to drop the denial that we can face the reality of our situation and take it on. Nobody wants to face their demons, as they make us feel inadequate; but, like you say, we all feel alone, when, in fact, that simply isn't so, which must be a manifestation of attitudes in society and staying silent when we shouldn't. If we could all discuss the problem openly, we would remove the stigma and thus find a solution much easier.

[lord bunberry]

Please hang in there, mate. As I've said in this thread, it's anxiety and not depression which has always been my issue, and I think that's more bearable, as it doesn't involve the despair of depression. Clinical depression must be torture and takes a strong person to bear it. As for your point on denial, it's a coping mechanism which helps survival, and it's only when we are strong enough to drop the denial that we can face the reality of our situation and take it on. Nobody wants to face their demons, as they make us feel inadequate; but, like you say, we all feel alone, when, in fact, that simply isn't so, which must be a manifestation of attitudes in society and staying silent when we shouldn't. If we could all discuss the problem openly, we would remove the stigma and thus find a solution much easier.
Thanks for your support mate it’s really appreciated. Things have been really hard recently. I’m self employed so no matter how I’m feeling I still need to work, at times I struggle to get out of bed, but I’ve not got a choice and that makes things harder. I’m struggling to pay the bills at times and it’s hard for my partner to understand why. Sometimes I go out to work and just park the taxi up because I can’t face doing it. Sometimes I just go home and pretend I got a good job that covered my days earnings. All the time the dark thoughts increase and the feeling of isolation gets stronger. I’m 100% going to go to the hibs thing at the stadium next week.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Thanks for your support mate it’s really appreciated. Things have been really hard recently. I’m self employed so no matter how I’m feeling I still need to work, at times I struggle to get out of bed, but I’ve not got a choice and that makes things harder. I’m struggling to pay the bills at times and it’s hard for my partner to understand why. Sometimes I go out to work and just park the taxi up because I can’t face doing it. Sometimes I just go home and pretend I got a good job that covered my days earnings. All the time the dark thoughts increase and the feeling of isolation gets stronger. I’m 100% going to go to the hibs thing at the stadium next week.

You can only do your best and accept that it's enough. We are each just one person amongst billions alive today and tens of billions who went before us. I find that looking outward and accepting that each of us is but a tiny and temporary someone helps me gain perspective and thus peace of mind. I read the work of the writers whom I feel expressed this best. It works for me, but might not for others. We must all find our way to peace of mind, which is so much easier said than done. There is no magic formula which works for everyone: it's two steps forward and one step back, which is a shame, given how short a time we are here, but that's the reality. We have to keep searching and searching to find our own path to a sense of tranquility.

[MSK]

You can only do your best and accept that it's enough. We are each just one person amongst billions alive today and tens of billions who went before us. I find that looking outward and accepting that each of us is but a tiny and temporary someone helps me gain perspective and thus peace of mind. I read the work of the writers whom I feel expressed this best. It works for me, but might not for others. We must all find our way to peace of mind, which is so much easier said than done. There is no magic formula which works for everyone: it's two steps forward and one step back, which is a shame, given how short a time we are here, but that's the reality. We have to keep searching and searching to find our own path to a sense of tranquility.Good post mate, another in amongst hundreds. Looking through the many posts it is great to see so many alternate coping mechanisms, from CBT, medication or just sheer determination to get to the end of that dark and lonely path.

Hopefully whichever route folk on here have chosen to take, many have taken comfort from the great support offered by fellow hibs fans on this very thread, long may that continue, we are always here, reading and listening, your never alone.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Good post mate, another in amongst hundreds. Looking through the many posts it is great to see so many alternate coping mechanisms, from CBT, medication or just sheer determination to get to the end of that dark and lonely path.

Hopefully whichever route folk on here have chosen to take, many have taken comfort from the great support offered by fellow hibs fans on this very thread, long may that continue, we are always here, reading and listening, your never alone.

:agree:

:top marks

[stu in nottingham]

Walk and talks were introduced in the first place s week programme and no one thought they’d take off as well as they did. Now, weather and health permitting, it’s almost essential.

We didn’t have one last night. Instead we had a discussion on Hibs and the Scottish national team. No guessing how that went! We also had a chat about mental health and a quiz as well.

Some great biscuits such as custard creams and Gold bars. And we also had a bit of a laugh too, there’s times I haven’t laughed as much as I have when going along to the Changing Room.

Who would have thought mental health could be so funny?

That's really interesting to hear. I think the activities you mention are things that a wide spread of people feel able to engage with. I am very much in favour of mental health support being accessible and easy to engage with in these ways. To relate it to people's normal lives can be vital rather than some stand-alone science in a language that people don't understand or relate to. Laughter is a universal language that we all love and understand. Anyone who was able to overhear the laughter sometimes coming out of my mine and my colleague's consultation rooms might not guess what was happening in there! Engagement - and the ways to make that happen are key I feel. Always, good things can happen when people start talking.

Fair play to the project. It's certainly something I'd offer my services to for fellow Hibbies, if living in the locality.


Better to laugh then to cry, I often see the funny side to my condition. Good to see some familiar posters here again, Hi Stu, hope you are ok pal.

I'm good thanks mate and I hope you too? Anybody working in mental health and related areas will tell you that a little laughter is essential - even to the extent of a little graveyard humour!


Thanks for your support mate it’s really appreciated. Things have been really hard recently. I’m self employed so no matter how I’m feeling I still need to work, at times I struggle to get out of bed, but I’ve not got a choice and that makes things harder. I’m struggling to pay the bills at times and it’s hard for my partner to understand why. Sometimes I go out to work and just park the taxi up because I can’t face doing it. Sometimes I just go home and pretend I got a good job that covered my days earnings. All the time the dark thoughts increase and the feeling of isolation gets stronger. I’m 100% going to go to the hibs thing at the stadium next week.

Hi LB, know that your feelings are understood on this thread. I'd like to say a couple of things to you if I may? That you indicate you feel unable to share your thoughts and feelings with your partner I am sorry about, though understand. In the work I do - treating addictions and their related problems I see many that live in a similar way - in something of a bubble. This is noticeable particularly in those with 'hidden' addictions such as problem gambling. The principle and symptoms are similar though, that bubble has a feeling of you not being in control, in your case of your feelings and moods, it is characterised by loss in your life - the loss of your vitality and resilience due to depression for example. This can also affect your self-esteem, the feelings of you not being able to cope, to go out, do your job and earn money for example. The natural (though unnecessary) guilt resulting from that which can be so damaging. And so, you internalise these thought and they become unhealthy and difficult to deal with.

And so, you decide you can only try to deal with these feelings on your own.

I would like to ask who are you that doesn't deserve support with these feelings? Doesn't every single one of us? A little personal I know, I'm sorry, but I would be interested to understand the thoughts of your partner and if she would like to share these feelings of your with you and understand how best to support you if you talked about them with her. I think there's a possibility she would be sad and upset to think of you trying to deal with them on your own. You don't need to my friend, you really don't.

Think of that bubble bursting and how much better it would be not having to deal with these feelings on your own. Talk anytime buddy.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That's really interesting to hear. I think the activities you mention are things that a wide spread of people feel able to engage with. I am very much in favour of mental health support being accessible and easy to engage with in these ways. To relate it to people's normal lives can be vital rather than some stand-alone science in a language that people don't understand or relate to. Laughter is a universal language that we all love and understand. Anyone who was able to overhear the laughter sometimes coming out of my mine and my colleague's consultation rooms might not guess what was happening in there! Engagement - and the ways to make that happen are key I feel. Always, good things can happen when people start talking.

Fair play to the project. It's certainly something I'd offer my services to for fellow Hibbies, if living in the locality.



I'm good thanks mate and I hope you too? Anybody working in mental health and related areas will tell you that a little laughter is essential - even to the extent of a little graveyard humour!



Hi LB, know that your feelings are understood on this thread. I'd like to say a couple of things to you if I may? That you indicate you feel unable to share your thoughts and feelings with your partner I am sorry about, though understand. In the work I do - treating addictions and their related problems I see many that live in a similar way - in something of a bubble. This is noticeable particularly in those with 'hidden' addictions such as problem gambling. The principle and symptoms are similar though, that bubble has a feeling of you not being in control, in your case of your feelings and moods, it is characterised by loss in your life - the loss of your vitality and resilience due to depression for example. This can also affect your self-esteem, the feelings of you not being able to cope, to go out, do your job and earn money for example. The natural (though unnecessary) guilt resulting from that which can be so damaging. And so, you internalise these thought and they become unhealthy and difficult to deal with.

And so, you decide you can only try to deal with these feelings on your own.

I would like to ask who are you that doesn't deserve support with these feelings? Doesn't every single one of us? A little personal I know, I'm sorry, but I would be interested to understand the thoughts of your partner and if she would like to share these feelings of your with you and understand how best to support you if you talked about them with her. I think there's a possibility she would be sad and upset to think of you trying to deal with them on your own. You don't need to my friend, you really don't.

Think of that bubble bursting and how much better it would be not having to deal with these feelings on your own. Talk anytime buddy.

:applause:

Superb post, Stu.

[lord bunberry]

That's really interesting to hear. I think the activities you mention are things that a wide spread of people feel able to engage with. I am very much in favour of mental health support being accessible and easy to engage with in these ways. To relate it to people's normal lives can be vital rather than some stand-alone science in a language that people don't understand or relate to. Laughter is a universal language that we all love and understand. Anyone who was able to overhear the laughter sometimes coming out of my mine and my colleague's consultation rooms might not guess what was happening in there! Engagement - and the ways to make that happen are key I feel. Always, good things can happen when people start talking.

Fair play to the project. It's certainly something I'd offer my services to for fellow Hibbies, if living in the locality.



I'm good thanks mate and I hope you too? Anybody working in mental health and related areas will tell you that a little laughter is essential - even to the extent of a little graveyard humour!



Hi LB, know that your feelings are understood on this thread. I'd like to say a couple of things to you if I may? That you indicate you feel unable to share your thoughts and feelings with your partner I am sorry about, though understand. In the work I do - treating addictions and their related problems I see many that live in a similar way - in something of a bubble. This is noticeable particularly in those with 'hidden' addictions such as problem gambling. The principle and symptoms are similar though, that bubble has a feeling of you not being in control, in your case of your feelings and moods, it is characterised by loss in your life - the loss of your vitality and resilience due to depression for example. This can also affect your self-esteem, the feelings of you not being able to cope, to go out, do your job and earn money for example. The natural (though unnecessary) guilt resulting from that which can be so damaging. And so, you internalise these thought and they become unhealthy and difficult to deal with.

And so, you decide you can only try to deal with these feelings on your own.

I would like to ask who are you that doesn't deserve support with these feelings? Doesn't every single one of us? A little personal I know, I'm sorry, but I would be interested to understand the thoughts of your partner and if she would like to share these feelings of your with you and understand how best to support you if you talked about them with her. I think there's a possibility she would be sad and upset to think of you trying to deal with them on your own. You don't need to my friend, you really don't.

Think of that bubble bursting and how much better it would be not having to deal with these feelings on your own. Talk anytime buddy.
Thanks for your reply Stu I really appreciate it. My problems aren’t hidden from my partner, it’s just that she isn’t very understanding despite suffering from depression herself. It’s probably a problem that’s more deeply rooted in our relationship. If I’m being honest it’s the lack of light at the end of tunnel in both my condition and my home life that makes things seem so impossible at times. I have a daughter who without doubt is my reason for carrying on, I absolutely worship the ground she walks on. Just typing this makes me smile as I’m thinking about her. For that reason alone I will always keep trying.

[wpj]

Thanks for your reply Stu I really appreciate it. My problems aren’t hidden from my partner, it’s just that she isn’t very understanding despite suffering from depression herself. It’s probably a problem that’s more deeply rooted in our relationship. If I’m being honest it’s the lack of light at the end of tunnel in both my condition and my home life that makes things seem so impossible at times. I have a daughter who without doubt is my reason for carrying on, I absolutely worship the ground she walks on. Just typing this makes me smile as I’m thinking about her. For that reason alone I will always keep trying.

I'm divorced now, I have an up to date photo on my wall at work and home of my daughter. Last week she started school and that photo is a constant source of joy for me (and the sqiddilion I have on my phone)

[stu in nottingham]

Thanks for your reply Stu I really appreciate it. My problems aren’t hidden from my partner, it’s just that she isn’t very understanding despite suffering from depression herself. It’s probably a problem that’s more deeply rooted in our relationship. If I’m being honest it’s the lack of light at the end of tunnel in both my condition and my home life that makes things seem so impossible at times. I have a daughter who without doubt is my reason for carrying on, I absolutely worship the ground she walks on. Just typing this makes me smile as I’m thinking about her. For that reason alone I will always keep trying.

Good to say hello mate.

Of course it's not appropriate for me to talk too deeply about your relationship on a public forum but nevertheless, a few general comments in response. It's fair to say that if a partner has their own similar problems then it's sometimes difficult for them to offer support. I would say the number one and two problems that I see with relationships are those of communication and trust. If those can be steadily worked on and re-established then things can improve generally. One factor you both more than likely have in common is that of your daughter. Perhaps there lies your 'bridge' and a conduit for speaking gentle and understanding words with each other.

Seeing 'no light at the end of the tunnel' is a subject worth understanding how to think about. You have my acknowledgement of how difficult or even impossible, that can feel at times. A good subject for general discussion among all our friends on this thread too then.

Some define it as a 'dark tunnel' other as a 'maze' to find their way through. From a philosophical viewpoint, bringing about 'light' might be thought of as attempting to deliver yourself into a better place - one where you feel happier and more content. Sometimes this can be discovered in finding meaning or purpose in your life in some way. So how do we do that? It can present a daunting job to many.

I would like to propose a certain 're-framing' of expectations about one's life. This doesn't amount to 'settling' (for less) in my view (for this can indeed be a 'happier' place). It does though entail learning how to comprehend and enjoy those simple things in our lives that we sometimes find ourselves overlooking.

I often think of this change process as a stepped approach. Psychology for example can be so effective in helping with this and yet effective psychological support can be a longer process which takes time to help and re-orient people's thought and behaviours. Rather, for me, a behavioural approach initially can be helpful - the 'first aid' if you like. Clearly, psychology is suited to treating deeper causes rather then just resultant effects/symptoms. However, it may take time, that's a given. By contrast, behaviours - from a behavioural approach can change overnight and quite possibly give you the lift needed to get you on the road. Maybe we should consider some of those behavioural factors for a situation just like this. Some of them will been overlooked because they feel 'difficult' for someone lacking motivation to help themselves into recovery. Nevertheless, they are worth examining.

We can focus on the fact that, yes, some days will just feel s**t. I think it's helpful to have an acceptance of that. What we can say though is that there will be times also when that hurtful feeling will pass and you will feel more well. Remember that too.

Social comparisons - try to avoid them, upwards or downwards. Downwards social comparisons (comparing yourself to others who are less fortunate in order to make you feel better about your life does not work. Indeed it can be counter-productive in the way it may make you experience guilt feelings about this. Making upward social comparisons towards people you see in a 'better' position than you can of course be sapping and soul destroying. I think the principle here is don't judge yourself by others. In fact don't judge yourself at all if you can begin to avoide doing that.

Look to those simple pleasures as much as you can and concentrate on those small things tha fleetingly make life feel beautiful. Holding your daughter, her laughter and smiles and you nurturing her to adulthood. On the note of children, I have a psychotherapist friend who has a picture of herself as a youngster, growing up in the country she came from. Her intention is to look after that little girl every single day as she sets off to to carry out life's sometimes tough and demanding business.

Further, we all know the little things than can help us. A splash of fresh air and daylight, being active, enjoying friends and family, taking a little exercise, loking after your sleep and eating good food. Getting into 'good habits' as a certain football manager from these parts who was 'the best in a group of one' would say.

I hope some of this makes a little sense to anyone reading and doesn't sound too fanciful. They are, for me, things that have taken a long time to understand better in some cases. this is not just through education and training but just as much through passing through a few things in my life too. One or two here might remember that I had a personal tragedy a few years ago, the quite violent suicide of a partner, one that took a lot of thinking, hard work and yes, sheer bloody perseverence to get through. There were certainly times when I couldn't 'see the light at the end of the tunnel' either and felt like I'd be better off not being here. I made mistakes because I'm human, tried and tried again and I probably feel more content these days than I have in many a year, even through my personal losses. A huge factor in arriving at that point was finding something I could do that brought great meaning and purpose to my own life but's another subject for another day.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Thanks for your reply Stu I really appreciate it. My problems aren’t hidden from my partner, it’s just that she isn’t very understanding despite suffering from depression herself. It’s probably a problem that’s more deeply rooted in our relationship. If I’m being honest it’s the lack of light at the end of tunnel in both my condition and my home life that makes things seem so impossible at times. I have a daughter who without doubt is my reason for carrying on, I absolutely worship the ground she walks on. Just typing this makes me smile as I’m thinking about her. For that reason alone I will always keep trying.

This post resonated with me more than probably any on this thread. For a few months now my depression has got progressively worse. Mostly down to a longstanding pain problem that ****s me up mentally and gets me very anxious about the future as a 30 year old young dad and similarly no light at the end of the tunnel.

Suicidal thoughts have been on my mind a fair bit during that period but the biggest contributing factor to me not following through with it is my almost 2 year old daughter. Almost everything she does can put a smile on my face if only even for a second. She means more to me than anything in the entire world.

Your post is actually quite scary how many similarities there are here and gave me the inspiration to share how I'm feeling myself.

I've got new antidepressants which I've been on for nearly a month now and although the suicidal thoughts have reduced, i have no energy, ever. I'm eating and piling on the weight and still can't see a scenario where mentally and physically I'm in a decent enough position. Frustrating

I've got a follow up appointment on Friday morning with my doctor so will see where that leads

[lord bunberry]

This post resonated with me more than probably any on this thread. For a few months now my depression has got progressively worse. Mostly down to a longstanding pain problem that ****s me up mentally and gets me very anxious about the future as a 30 year old young dad and similarly no light at the end of the tunnel.

Suicidal thoughts have been on my mind a fair bit during that period but the biggest contributing factor to me not following through with it is my almost 2 year old daughter. Almost everything she does can put a smile on my face if only even for a second. She means more to me than anything in the entire world.

Your post is actually quite scary how many similarities there are here and gave me the inspiration to share how I'm feeling myself.

I've got new antidepressants which I've been on for nearly a month now and although the suicidal thoughts have reduced, i have no energy, ever. I'm eating and piling on the weight and still can't see a scenario where mentally and physically I'm in a decent enough position. Frustrating

I've got a follow up appointment on Friday morning with my doctor so will see where that leads
keep clinging on to that positive thought my friend. Remember that there’s always someone here for you. Pm me if you need to talk further.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Interesting programme on Ch5 last night, Suicidal - In our own words, some of the sentiments expressed were a bit too close to home (regarding past times in my life) fortunately not so much now.

[MSK]

Interesting programme on Ch5 last night, Suicidal - In our own words, some of the sentiments expressed were a bit too close to home (regarding past times in my life) fortunately not so much now.Watched that last night, very thought provoking

[Hibernia&Alba]

Interesting programme on Ch5 last night, Suicidal - In our own words, some of the sentiments expressed were a bit too close to home (regarding past times in my life) fortunately not so much now.

I will take a look at that. Glad you are in a better place, mate.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Interesting programme on Ch5 last night, Suicidal - In our own words, some of the sentiments expressed were a bit too close to home (regarding past times in my life) fortunately not so much now.

Anyone else apart from MSK watched it yet? My mind keeps darting back to it, it's a bit unnerving.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Anyone else apart from MSK watched it yet? My mind keeps darting back to it, it's a bit unnerving.

I'm fine though, just a bit weirded out.

[Pretty Boy]

Anyone else apart from MSK watched it yet? My mind keeps darting back to it, it's a bit unnerving.

I've recorded it but I always find these programmes a bit unsettling as well. I'll watch it but I'll need to be in the right frame of mind when I do.

[LustForLeith]

I've recorded it but I always find these programmes a bit unsettling as well. I'll watch it but I'll need to be in the right frame of mind when I do.

I’m the same, I need to be in the right frame of mind to watch it. I don’t think I’ve been near that right frame of mind recently!

The next Changing Room drop in is on Monday. If anyone is interested feel free to come along to the West Stand at Easter Road did 6. Again it’s completely free, confidential and a safe environment. You don’t need to talk if you don’t want to but there’s a great bunch of folk and a really good selection of biscuit. The last time we had custard creams!

See you there!

[LustForLeith]

I’m the same, I need to be in the right frame of mind to watch it. I don’t think I’ve been near that right frame of mind recently!

The next Changing Room drop in is on Monday. If anyone is interested feel free to come along to the West Stand at Easter Road did 6. Again it’s completely free, confidential and a safe environment. You don’t need to talk if you don’t want to but there’s a great bunch of folk and a really good selection of biscuit. The last time we had custard creams!

See you there!

A wee bump for tonight’s drop in

[wpj]

A very honest message. Lovely to see so many supportive messages for her
BBC News - Denise Welch praised for 'brave' depression videos
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49877727

[matty_f]

We've released a special episode tonight, coinciding (conveniently, but not deliberately) with World Mental Health Day, to promote The Changing Room initiative at Hibs.

Brian and I were joined by Neil Renton, who was a brilliant guest.

Less Hibs chat in this episode but we hope you'll tune in to a great discussion on men's mental health.

iTunes:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/longbangers/id1474463560

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/58oluD4boJvQuO2ZDftZax?si=myR-96ytS7erQbG8FIpspg

Web
https://anchor.fm/longbangers/episodes/Longbangers-Episode-15-The-Changing-Room-e6fl52

[hibsbollah]

We've released a special episode tonight, coinciding (conveniently, but not deliberately) with World Mental Health Day, to promote The Changing Room initiative at Hibs.

Brian and I were joined by Neil Renton, who was a brilliant guest.

Less Hibs chat in this episode but we hope you'll tune in to a great discussion on men's mental health.

iTunes:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/longbangers/id1474463560

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/58oluD4boJvQuO2ZDftZax?si=myR-96ytS7erQbG8FIpspg

Web
https://anchor.fm/longbangers/episodes/Longbangers-Episode-15-The-Changing-Room-e6fl52

I really got a lot out of that, I found myself nodding away in recognition at some of the things you were describing.

The stigma at work thing. Fifteen years ago I went on the sick from work, initially like you I got the doctor to say it was something else, and then finally spoke to my boss and told them I'd been diagnosed with anxiety and depression. I was signed off for a while, tried a phased return, still wasn't feeling right so my contract was terminated and i was out of a job. The worst thing about it, and the thing that shows how things have improved in relation to society's understanding about mental health since then, is that even when I recovered and was fit and healthy again, I was unable to get jobs in the same specialised field I was working in, because of the stigma. I've been told by people since that my old bosses overlooked me for jobs I was well qualified for because I had a 'mental problem', instead of a temporary illness like any other. Some of these senior people I used to consider good friends, and I still find it hard to forgive their lack of understanding. But because of increased understanding these days I don't think that would happen anymore and I would be treated with a lot more respect today (and that's partly thanks to things like the Changing Room initiative I guess)

Thanks to all three of you, you did it really well:aok:

[matty_f]

I really got a lot out of that, I found myself nodding away in recognition at some of the things you were describing.

The stigma at work thing. Fifteen years ago I went on the sick from work, initially like you I got the doctor to say it was something else, and then finally spoke to my boss and told them I'd been diagnosed with anxiety and depression. I was signed off for a while, tried a phased return, still wasn't feeling right so my contract was terminated and i was out of a job. The worst thing about it, and the thing that shows how things have improved in relation to society's understanding about mental health since then, is that even when I recovered and was fit and healthy again, I was unable to get jobs in the same specialised field I was working in, because of the stigma. I've been told by people since that my old bosses overlooked me for jobs I was well qualified for because I had a 'mental problem', instead of a temporary illness like any other. Some of these senior people I used to consider good friends, and I still find it hard to forgive their lack of understanding. But because of increased understanding these days I don't think that would happen anymore and I would be treated with a lot more respect today (and that's partly thanks to things like the Changing Room initiative I guess)

Thanks to all three of you, you did it really well:aok:

Thanks - there will be a lot of people who will relate to your experience. I was lucky, my employer was first class with me when I came back, and have been since, to be fair.

Appreciate the feedback for the episode.

As a footnote, if anyone wants to join us on the podcast to discuss their experiences, they're more than welcome.

[wpj]

I really got a lot out of that, I found myself nodding away in recognition at some of the things you were describing.

The stigma at work thing. Fifteen years ago I went on the sick from work, initially like you I got the doctor to say it was something else, and then finally spoke to my boss and told them I'd been diagnosed with anxiety and depression. I was signed off for a while, tried a phased return, still wasn't feeling right so my contract was terminated and i was out of a job. The worst thing about it, and the thing that shows how things have improved in relation to society's understanding about mental health since then, is that even when I recovered and was fit and healthy again, I was unable to get jobs in the same specialised field I was working in, because of the stigma. I've been told by people since that my old bosses overlooked me for jobs I was well qualified for because I had a 'mental problem', instead of a temporary illness like any other. Some of these senior people I used to consider good friends, and I still find it hard to forgive their lack of understanding. But because of increased understanding these days I don't think that would happen anymore and I would be treated with a lot more respect today (and that's partly thanks to things like the Changing Room initiative I guess)

Thanks to all three of you, you did it really well:aok:

My line manager has been great with me and has attended mental health courses to understand it better (not just for me but in general). Some previous managers and current colleagues not so much. The highest cause of absenteeism at my workplace is anxiety depression and my employees pay great lip service to addressing it but some of the managers are quite openly dismissive. My employers? The NHS.

[Just_Jimmy]

My line manager has been great with me and has attended mental health courses to understand it better (not just for me but in general). Some previous managers and current colleagues not so much. The highest cause of absenteeism at my workplace is anxiety depression and my employees pay great lip service to addressing it but some of the managers are quite openly dismissive. My employers? The NHS.Unsurprisingly it's the same for the other emergency services.

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[CMurdoch]

You can only do your best and accept that it's enough. We are each just one person amongst billions alive today and tens of billions who went before us. I find that looking outward and accepting that each of us is but a tiny and temporary someone helps me gain perspective and thus peace of mind. I read the work of the writers whom I feel expressed this best. It works for me, but might not for others. We must all find our way to peace of mind, which is so much easier said than done. There is no magic formula which works for everyone: it's two steps forward and one step back, which is a shame, given how short a time we are here, but that's the reality. We have to keep searching and searching to find our own path to a sense of tranquility.

This is a great post that i revisit at times of need.
Helps me with perspective to get me moving on the bad days. Thanks HA.

[CMurdoch]

We've released a special episode tonight, coinciding (conveniently, but not deliberately) with World Mental Health Day, to promote The Changing Room initiative at Hibs.

Brian and I were joined by Neil Renton, who was a brilliant guest.

Less Hibs chat in this episode but we hope you'll tune in to a great discussion on men's mental health.

iTunes:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/longbangers/id1474463560 (https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/longbangers/id1474463560)

Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/58oluD4boJvQuO2ZDftZax?si=myR-96ytS7erQbG8FIpspg (https://open.spotify.com/episode/58oluD4boJvQuO2ZDftZax?si=myR-96ytS7erQbG8FIpspg)

Web
https://anchor.fm/longbangers/episodes/Longbangers-Episode-15-The-Changing-Room-e6fl52 (https://anchor.fm/longbangers/episodes/Longbangers-Episode-15-The-Changing-Room-e6fl52)

Thanks especially to Brian for putting it on the line so publicly. What sticks in my mind days later is the story were he planned to commit suicide but couldn't go through with it solely because he remembered he was getting a lift to work and couldn't let the guy down as he would be waiting for him. It perfectly encapsulates how narrow the margins are when folks heads are messed up. Saved by his thoughtfulness in a raging sea of distress also says a lot about Brian.
I listened to the podcast the day it was posted. It is powerful and poignant and helps remind us that we are not alone feeling and thinking the way we do. Well done to the podcast guys and the continued work of The Changing Room.

[matty_f]

Thanks especially to Brian for putting it on the line so publicly. What sticks in my mind days later is the story were he planned to commit suicide but couldn't go through with it solely because he remembered he was getting a lift to work and couldn't let the guy down as he would be waiting for him. It perfectly encapsulates how narrow the margins are when folks heads are messed up. Saved by his thoughtfulness in a raging sea of distress also says a lot about Brian.
I listened to the podcast the day it was posted. It is powerful and poignant and helps remind us that we are not alone feeling and thinking the way we do. Well done to the podcast guys and the continued work of The Changing Room.


Thanks - it's really nice reading comments like this and seeing that it's been helpful. The CHanging Room is a brilliant initiative and it fully deserves the exposure.

[mjhibby]

Everybody has worries,fears and depression. I'm sure just every soldier who has fought in a war etc. I'm sure my dad had depression but would always have the old stuff upper lip attitude as I'm sure most parents would have done. There is a thin line between contentment and depression. My only thing is trying to stay positive which is hard at the best of times. Just accept people for what they are not what we won't them to be can take away a lot of lives frustrations. The dark days to me make the good days more joyous.

[Cataplana]

Sorry if this has been posted before, but it's something that lifts me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCrniLQGYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCrniLQGYc)

[matty_f]

Thanks especially to Brian for putting it on the line so publicly. What sticks in my mind days later is the story were he planned to commit suicide but couldn't go through with it solely because he remembered he was getting a lift to work and couldn't let the guy down as he would be waiting for him. It perfectly encapsulates how narrow the margins are when folks heads are messed up. Saved by his thoughtfulness in a raging sea of distress also says a lot about Brian.
I listened to the podcast the day it was posted. It is powerful and poignant and helps remind us that we are not alone feeling and thinking the way we do. Well done to the podcast guys and the continued work of The Changing Room.

We recorded a follow up episode to this, joined by MurrayMinter75 to continue the discussion both on The Changing Room and mental health.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/longbangers/id1474463560
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2oOidxaVjdIxo3JICWHgN5?si=xtOD2VlwTSaVIIK0c3HGaQ

https://anchor.fm/longbangers/episodes/Longbangers-Episode-17-Changing-Room-2-e7r8ak

[lord bunberry]

Hi all, I decided a while back to stop posting on this forum due to the constant arguments that seem to take place after every game. My love for the team hasn’t diminished in any way, it’s just my ability to endure the negativity that goes with it.
I decided to log back in and post on this thread as my depression has taken a real turn for the worst and I don’t know where to turn. This thread and the people contributing to it have been a real help to me over the years and I’d like to thank everyone for their help.
Anyway the reason for me posting again is that I’m at a low point that has gone on for around 6 months. Normally I go through periods where my mood fluctuations, but that’s not been the case lately, it’s all been down periods. I’m really struggling to cope with how I’m feeling and most days I think the best way out is to just end it all.
I don’t want to make that sound like I’m about to do that, it’s just a feeling I have every day. I don’t really know what I’m trying to say here or why I logged back into this forum, but thanks for reading this.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Hi all, I decided a while back to stop posting on this forum due to the constant arguments that seem to take place after every game. My love for the team hasn’t diminished in any way, it’s just my ability to endure the negativity that goes with it.
I decided to log back in and post on this thread as my depression has taken a real turn for the worst and I don’t know where to turn. This thread and the people contributing to it have been a real help to me over the years and I’d like to thank everyone for their help.
Anyway the reason for me posting again is that I’m at a low point that has gone on for around 6 months. Normally I go through periods where my mood fluctuations, but that’s not been the case lately, it’s all been down periods. I’m really struggling to cope with how I’m feeling and most days I think the best way out is to just end it all.
I don’t want to make that sound like I’m about to do that, it’s just a feeling I have every day. I don’t really know what I’m trying to say here or why I logged back into this forum, but thanks for reading this.

Good luck mate, might be worth giving Matty's mental health links a wee listen.

[lord bunberry]

Good luck mate, might be worth giving Matty's mental health links a wee listen.
Cheers buddy, you’re definitely one of the good guys on this forum.

[GreenLake]

Hi all, I decided a while back to stop posting on this forum due to the constant arguments that seem to take place after every game. My love for the team hasn’t diminished in any way, it’s just my ability to endure the negativity that goes with it.
I decided to log back in and post on this thread as my depression has taken a real turn for the worst and I don’t know where to turn. This thread and the people contributing to it have been a real help to me over the years and I’d like to thank everyone for their help.
Anyway the reason for me posting again is that I’m at a low point that has gone on for around 6 months. Normally I go through periods where my mood fluctuations, but that’s not been the case lately, it’s all been down periods. I’m really struggling to cope with how I’m feeling and most days I think the best way out is to just end it all.
I don’t want to make that sound like I’m about to do that, it’s just a feeling I have every day. I don’t really know what I’m trying to say here or why I logged back into this forum, but thanks for reading this.

It scares me to read this and yet I am not surprised because a lot of the best things in this world are fragile.

You are one of my favorite posters.