Mental! Jimmy Savile was friends with Peter Sutcliffe - photo and blog

[Hibbyradge]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100184881/when-jimmy-savile-met-peter-sutcliffe/

[Beefster]

This is getting more surreal by the day.

[heretoday]

Both stout Yorkshiremen of course.

[Hiber-nation]

Both stout Yorkshiremen of course.

Remember Red Riding, that Channel 4 drama about police corruption in Yorkshire? And I thought it was far fetched at the time....

[Steve-O]

Sutcliffe looks like he's wearing one of Savile's tracksuits there as well!

[Phil D. Rolls]

It's a photograph,we don't know what was said,or what the relationship between the three men was. Sutcliffe is a patient in the hospital that Bruno was donating the gym too. Saville was there too.

Has anybody got any pictures of Saville and King Jong I perhaps? I know Peter Cushing was on his show once, and let's face it he was a bad guy - I've seen lots of films where he does evil things. Maybe him and Saville were swopping sick ways to drain bodies of blood.

Thank god there's nothing going on in the country just now. I would hate it if this endless speculation about a man who is dead would result in a serious matter like the economy and the governments mismanagement of it, to be kept out of the news.

[Hibbyradge]

It's a photograph,we don't know what was said,or what the relationship between the three men was. Sutcliffe is a patient in the hospital that Bruno was donating the gym too. Saville was there too.

Has anybody got any pictures of Saville and King Jong I perhaps? I know Peter Cushing was on his show once, and let's face it he was a bad guy - I've seen lots of films where he does evil things. Maybe him and Saville were swopping sick ways to drain bodies of blood.

Thank god there's nothing going on in the country just now. I would hate it if this endless speculation about a man who is dead would result in a serious matter like the economy and the governments mismanagement of it, to be kept out of the news.

In fact, John, you will notice from the blog, that Savile is reported as having "befriended Sutcliffe during his many visits to Broadmoor". This was not a one-off visit.

I think the actions of a Knight of the realm who is alleged to have raped and abused countless children, some of whom were incapacitated and even, according to your rumour, dead, are worth discussion.

The world would be a very dull place if we all stuck to more weighty subjects like the NHS and Sevco. Well, maybe the NHS.

And, if they ever do discover that Jack the Ripper was really a member of the royal family or some other dignitary, I hope you're not suggesting we try to ignore the sordid tale and concentrate on the Greek debt crisis.

Didn't you rake up and contribute several times to the thread about Jimmy Savile dying? And how does your famine in Africa speech on that very thread sit with your comments above?

Not that I took your remarks personally, or anything! :greengrin

[Betty Boop]

In fact, John, you will notice from the blog, that Savile is reported as having "befriended Sutcliffe during his many visits to Broadmoor". This was not a one-off visit.

I think the actions of a Knight of the realm who is alleged to have raped and abused countless children, some of whom were incapacitated and even, according to your rumour, dead, are worth discussion.

The world would be a very dull place if we all stuck to more weighty subjects like the NHS and Sevco. Well, maybe the NHS.

And, if they ever do discover that Jack the Ripper was really a member of the royal family or some other dignitary, I hope you're not suggesting we try to ignore the sordid tale and concentrate on the Greek debt crisis.

Didn't you rake up and contribute several times to the thread about Jimmy Savile dying? And how does your famine in Africa speech on that very thread sit with your comments above?

Not that I took your remarks personally, or anything! :greengrin

Jimmy Savile was appointed head of a 'task force', to oversee the running of the hospital, had his own set of keys, and free access to the wards. This apparently was sanctioned by the Dept. of Health, in 1988.

[Big Ed]

It's a photograph,we don't know what was said,or what the relationship between the three men was. Sutcliffe is a patient in the hospital that Bruno was donating the gym too. Saville was there too.

Has anybody got any pictures of Saville and King Jong I perhaps? I know Peter Cushing was on his show once, and let's face it he was a bad guy - I've seen lots of films where he does evil things. Maybe him and Saville were swopping sick ways to drain bodies of blood.

Thank god there's nothing going on in the country just now. I would hate it if this endless speculation about a man who is dead would result in a serious matter like the economy and the governments mismanagement of it, to be kept out of the news.

Newspaper Editors have been jumping up and down because they are furious with the content of Rule 13 letters sent out to them by Lord Justice Leveson. Rule 13 says participants must be warned of possible criticisms so they have a chance to respond before the final report is written.

This hand wringing by these Editors is because their argument about the demise of self-regulation is that they need press freedom to expose wrong-doing on behalf of the public interest.

Well they had it, yet for years Hillsborough was just a story about whinging Scousers and phone hacking was a rogue reporter listening into the daily trivia of Royal family members, and so on, until the surface is scratched and you have corruption on an industrial scale involving the press, the Police and Parliament, the very people whose remit is to serve the greater public.

And now this: an eccentric DJ and TV personality who made millions for charity, was a friend of Prime Ministers and Royalty and subsequently knighted, suddenly exposed, a year after his death, as a serial nonce despite having been at it since the 1960's and half the country claiming to have heard about it.

Still: at least we are up to date with the latest on with Cheryl Cole, David Beckham etc...

[Phil D. Rolls]

In fact, John, you will notice from the blog, that Savile is reported as having "befriended Sutcliffe during his many visits to Broadmoor". This was not a one-off visit.

I think the actions of a Knight of the realm who is alleged to have raped and abused countless children, some of whom were incapacitated and even, according to your rumour, dead, are worth discussion.

The world would be a very dull place if we all stuck to more weighty subjects like the NHS and Sevco. Well, maybe the NHS.

And, if they ever do discover that Jack the Ripper was really a member of the royal family or some other dignitary, I hope you're not suggesting we try to ignore the sordid tale and concentrate on the Greek debt crisis.

Didn't you rake up and contribute several times to the thread about Jimmy Savile dying? And how does your famine in Africa speech on that very thread sit with your comments above?

Not that I took your remarks personally, or anything! :greengrin

I don't particularly care for Jimmy Saville. I am glad that he has been exposed for what he is. I find it interesting the way news is managed though, and that this story has come out at a time when the Tories management of the country should really be centre stage.

I wonder why poor Frank Bruno has been dragged into the thing though. It seems to me that they are trying to squeeze every last drop out of this story.

[Beefster]

Jimmy Savile was appointed head of a 'task force', to oversee the running of the hospital, had his own set of keys, and free access to the wards. This apparently was sanctioned by the Dept. of Health, in 1988.

I think that Jeanette Krankie being put in charge of the nuclear deterrent is a bigger issue, tbh.

[James70]

I think that Jeanette Krankie being put in charge of the nuclear deterrent is a bigger issue, tbh.

Jeanette Krankie has had enough scandal surrounding her already without being put in that particular position!! :greengrin

[Jonnyboy]

I think that Jeanette Krankie being put in charge of the nuclear deterrent is a bigger issue, tbh.


Jeanette Krankie has had enough scandal surrounding her already without being put in that particular position!! :greengrin

I'd be more inclined to investigate Ian Krankie who openly flaunts his relationship with a woman dressed up as a small schoolboy :wink:

[Skanko79]

dont know if anyone has noticed the masonic handshake either. dunno whats that all about......................

[Phil D. Rolls]

dont know if anyone has noticed the masonic handshake either. dunno whats that all about......................

It's a secret code whereby Masons can make themselves known to each other, and is known only to members of the craft.

[Skanko79]

It's a secret code whereby Masons can make themselves known to each other, and is known only to members of the craft.

so, not only were sutcliffe and bruno (allbeit later on in life) totally bonkers they were masons?

[Lucius Apuleius]

so, not only were sutcliffe and bruno (allbeit later on in life) totally bonkers they were masons?



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[HibsMax]

I'm actually surprised Bruno shook his hand at all. I know I wouldn't. If Sutcliffe's head was on fire I would do my best to put out the flames with screwdrivers.

[Phil D. Rolls]

so, not only were sutcliffe and bruno (allbeit later on in life) totally bonkers they were masons?

I wouldn't know. I'm not a mason so I don't know the codes.:wink:


I'm actually surprised Bruno shook his hand at all. I know I wouldn't. If Sutcliffe's head was on fire I would do my best to put out the flames with screwdrivers.

I know this will start a mad or bad debate, but all the evidence has pointed towards Sutcliffe having a schizophrenic illness - and was probably not accountable for his actions. He was tried in a criminal court, largely due to political pressure.

At his trial the defence tried to get his mental illness taken into account. All to no avail - shortly after entering the penal system, Sutcliffe was suddenly diagnosed as being mentally ill. I am by no means an expert on these things, but it is very unusual for someone to develop symptoms such as his in later life, and it is likely that he should never have stood trial.

I accept that not all schizophrenics murder people, and that he had a responsibility for his illness. I find it hard to excuse someone who could plan and carry out those murders too. However we do allow "insanity" as a defence in this country - so I guess we have to respect the justice system.

Besides, if you go to jail you have to have a release date. Someone can be held in a mental hospital pretty much indefinitely.

At the same time, I find it hard to excuse the police incompetence that led to deaths that could have been prevented. I always remember a quote from one of the detectives around about 1978. It was along the lines of "he's murdering prostitutes just now, we have to stop him before he moves onto more respectable people".

[Hibernia Na Eir]

there's talk Savile was a necrophiliac.

[Phil D. Rolls]

there's talk Savile was a necrophiliac.

Been mentioned before - it's possible that the necrophiliac in Ecstasy was based on the former Bevan boy.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Been mentioned before - it's possible that the necrophiliac in Ecstasy was based on the former Bevan boy.

a chilling sport, if ever there was one....

[LeighLoyal]

Just too bad Saville will never share a cell with his pal.

[HKhibby]

I don't particularly care for Jimmy Saville. I am glad that he has been exposed for what he is. I find it interesting the way news is managed though, and that this story has come out at a time when the Tories management of the country should really be centre stage.

I wonder why poor Frank Bruno has been dragged into the thing though. It seems to me that they are trying to squeeze every last drop out of this story.

I thionk the mis-management of the country was from 1997 - 2010! by the party in Red! just like it was in 1979 when they left office as well...maybe you cant remember but i and alot of people probably can, incidentally you cant even blame the red lot too much...you had your own little government in Scotland since 1998 wasnt it, both them and the present jambo loving guy.
so before having a pop at people trying to do something about the debt etc.. just think about Europe and the chaos...oh i forgot that present jambo loving guy wants to try (try is the word...but wont succeed) to break away from the UK!....and take you towards the good old beloved Eu and Euro! dream on everyone...not going to happen...one word...one reason...Money!

[HKhibby]

I don't particularly care for Jimmy Saville. I am glad that he has been exposed for what he is. I find it interesting the way news is managed though, and that this story has come out at a time when the Tories management of the country should really be centre stage.

I wonder why poor Frank Bruno has been dragged into the thing though. It seems to me that they are trying to squeeze every last drop out of this story.

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

[marinello59]

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

It looks like he raped and abused kids for years, kids who just were not listened to at the time. Thank goodness they are being taken seriously now. Only the truly callous would dismiss them as the something for nothing brigade.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I thionk the mis-management of the country was from 1997 - 2010! by the party in Red! just like it was in 1979 when they left office as well...maybe you cant remember but i and alot of people probably can, incidentally you cant even blame the red lot too much...you had your own little government in Scotland since 1998 wasnt it, both them and the present jambo loving guy.
so before having a pop at people trying to do something about the debt etc.. just think about Europe and the chaos...oh i forgot that present jambo loving guy wants to try (try is the word...but wont succeed) to break away from the UK!....and take you towards the good old beloved Eu and Euro! dream on everyone...not going to happen...one word...one reason...Money!

Jairmany calling, jairmany calling.......

I am sure you can probably remember quite a few things, and you are probably right a lot of the time. Anything's probable.

[wpj]

Dis is radio freedom chhh cchhh kick out the jams motherf..........

[Phil D. Rolls]

Just too bad Saville will never share a cell with his pal.

Yep, one is dead, the other's in an asylum.

[Hibrandenburg]

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

Wow, just wow!

[One Day Soon]

i thionk the mis-management of the country was from 1997 - 2010! By the party in red! Just like it was in 1979 when they left office as well...maybe you cant remember but i and alot of people probably can, incidentally you cant even blame the red lot too much...you had your own little government in scotland since 1998 wasnt it, both them and the present jambo loving guy.
So before having a pop at people trying to do something about the debt etc.. Just think about europe and the chaos...oh i forgot that present jambo loving guy wants to try (try is the word...but wont succeed) to break away from the uk!....and take you towards the good old beloved eu and euro! Dream on everyone...not going to happen...one word...one reason...money!


wtf?

[Hibbyradge]

I always remember a quote from one of the detectives around about 1978. It was along the lines of "he's murdering prostitutes just now, we have to stop him before he moves onto more respectable people".

Ouch.

[One Day Soon]

it interesting jimmy saville has been working for years and years at different things, dj included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! Etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

wtf? Wtf? Wtf?!?!?!?

[Hibbyradge]

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

Aye, you're probably right.

Despite all the statements corroborating each other (see Moorov doctrine) it's obvious that Savile didn't rape boys and girls, molest disabled children and haunt hospital wards.

It's all just a ruse to get money. Although no-one has actually sued anyone and given that he's dead, suing wouldn't work.

I wonder why allegations of child abuse, not to mention necrophilia, aren't made after every celebrity dies. :dunno:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Aye, you're probably right.

Despite all the statements corroborating each other (see Moorov doctrine) it's obvious that Savile didn't rape boys and girls, molest disabled children and haunt hospital wards.

It's all just a ruse to get money. Although no-one has actually sued anyone and given that he's dead, suing wouldn't work.

I wonder why allegations of child abuse, not to mention necrophilia, aren't made after every celebrity dies. :dunno:

You have to wonder. :agree:

[Beefster]

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

http://massmultiverse.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/facepalm_implied1.jpg

[IWasThere2016]

Remember Red Riding, that Channel 4 drama about police corruption in Yorkshire? And I thought it was far fetched at the time....

Great telly :agree:


http://massmultiverse.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/facepalm_implied1.jpg

:greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

HKhibby doesnae post too often, but, they are certainly worth waiting for. I never used to believe in a parallel universe, but, I'm now beginning to wonder.

[Just Alf]

HKhibby doesnae post too often, but, they are certainly worth waiting for. I never used to believe in a parallel universe, but, I'm now beginning to wonder.


I especially like the political element of a lot of the posts! ..... For someone that's NOT HERE.

[lapsedhibee]

I especially like the political element of a lot of the posts! ..... For someone that's NOT HERE.

Not here, yet not all there. A conundrum wrapped up in an enigma and that?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Just watched Panorama, are we really to believe that the BBC is such a fragmented, disorganised corporation that the right hand doesnae know what the left hand is doing?
Is it really conceivable that there was a Savile expose being made at the same time as tribute shows?

[steakbake]

HKhibby doesnae post too often, but, they are certainly worth waiting for. I never used to believe in a parallel universe, but, I'm now beginning to wonder.

Poster of the Year 2012. As rare as an Amadou Konte goal but when it does happen, it always leaves you questioning the nature of reality.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Oh dear, George Entwhistle being wripped up for arse paper re the Savile allegations by The Commons Select Committee, he'll be looking for a new job soon.

[(((Fergus)))]

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

Don't you think it would be difficult to come forward and, your word against his, claim that you had been pumped by that creepy b**tard?

Besides, attitudes towards paedophilia may have been different in those days. Remember the Paedophile Information Exchange? We used to laugh about it at school - I think they even had a phone number in the book that people used to crank-call - could you imagine such an organisation existing today? They were even affiliated with the National Council for civil Liberties ("Liberty" today, headed by Shami Chakrabarti), which itself had campaigned to lower the age of consent to 14. It was the era of "sexual revolution", was it not? This might explain why people were prepared to turn a blind eye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange#Affiliation_to_the _NCCL

[HibsMax]

In response to HKHibby's post.

I watched Exposure on youtube and the women who were commenting were anonymous so we know they are not doing it for fame.

I was never molested as a child but I understand that in a lot of cases the children assume the blame thinking it has to be their fault. That's a lot of guilt to carry around with you.

There might be some people out there that would make up a story to try and get 15 minutes of fame but I doubt it given the scale here.

Look at the Sandusky trial over here. Why did that take so long to come to light? Why didn't all those victims come forward before?

I don't WANT Savile to be a bad guy. I don't want him to be unnecessarily demonised. Unfortunately it looks like he brought this all on himself, I don't think he is a victim here.

[heretoday]

I find it incredible that our great British press sat on the story and did nothing for all those years. So much for their investigative powers that are under supposed risk from Leveson.

Maybe Fleet St just thought it was par for the course for a few chicks to get manhandled and not worth the bother to expose.

Easier to pay someone to hack into the mobiles of celebs and dead teenagers.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I find it incredible that our great British press sat on the story and did nothing for all those years. So much for their investigative powers that are under supposed risk from Leveson.

Maybe Fleet St just thought it was par for the course for a few chicks to get manhandled and not worth the bother to expose.

Easier to pay someone to hack into the mobiles of celebs and dead teenagers.

Saville was a very powerful man, and he would not have found it hard to frighten individuals. I get the impression he would have stopped at nothing, and knew lots of people who could do "jobs" for him.

I hope they screen the Louis Theroux thing again. There was sheer menace about Jimmy Saville. Bear in mind, Theroux is probably one of the only people who couldn't be frightened by Saville. No surprise his other work includes time spent with American neo-Nazis and other humanity minded people.

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Saville was a very powerful man, and he would not have found it hard to frighten individuals. I get the impression he would have stopped at nothing, and knew lots of people who could do "jobs" for him.

I hope they screen the Louis Theroux thing again. There was sheer menace about Jimmy Saville. Bear in mind, Theroux is probably one of the only people who couldn't be frightened by Saville. No surprise his other work includes time spent with American neo-Nazis and other humanity minded people.


Yup. I know it's sometimes hard to believe, but even a tabloid journalist has to have some sort of source. Taking Savile's connections with royalty and people in government and the media into account, who could really be confident that anyone would believe them if they told?

And yes, I share your impression that he had connections with some seriously unpleasant people in the criminal world - he was mates with Gary Glitter, after all. Paedophiles aren't pathetic little men sneaking about the shadows at the edge of society; they're serios criminals who are quite prepared to use violence to protect themselves and their associates.

I'd like to see the Theroux film again, too. Theroux has the knack of getting people like Savileand his ilk to reveal their true selves more clearly than most other reporters.

[iwasthere1972]

Yup. I know it's sometimes hard to believe, but even a tabloid journalist has to have some sort of source. Taking Savile's connections with royalty and people in government and the media into account, who could really be confident that anyone would believe them if they told?

And yes, I share your impression that he had connections with some seriously unpleasant people in the criminal world - he was mates with Gary Glitter, after all. Paedophiles aren't pathetic little men sneaking about the shadows at the edge of society; they're serios criminals who are quite prepared to use violence to protect themselves and their associates.

I'd like to see the Theroux film again, too. Theroux has the knack of getting people like Savileand his ilk to reveal their true selves more clearly than most other reporters.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu39js_louis-theroux-jimmy-saville_fun

[LeighLoyal]

I find it incredible that our great British press sat on the story and did nothing for all those years. So much for their investigative powers that are under supposed risk from Leveson.

Maybe Fleet St just thought it was par for the course for a few chicks to get manhandled and not worth the bother to expose.

Easier to pay someone to hack into the mobiles of celebs and dead teenagers.



Makes you wonder what else they are sitting on. Nobodies telling me Saville was unique, maybe in terms of the fact he targeted underage girls, but not in terms of nefarious sexual practices in celeb land.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Makes you wonder what else they are sitting on. Nobodies telling me Saville was unique, maybe in terms of the fact he targeted underage girls, but not in terms of nefarious sexual practices in celeb land.

I think the fact Saville got off with it so long tells you how powerful these people are. No doubt other less prominent people, will still use whatever means they can to avoid getting caught.

[HibsMax]

Makes you wonder what else they are sitting on. Nobodies telling me Saville was unique, maybe in terms of the fact he targeted underage girls, but not in terms of nefarious sexual practices in celeb land.


I think the fact Saville got off with it so long tells you how powerful these people are. No doubt other less prominent people, will still use whatever means they can to avoid getting caught.

Makes me wonder about all the the groupies that bands / singers have been banging all these years. I'm not saying they go out of their way to find underage girls but we all know that with enough make-up and the right clothes a young girl can look much older than she really is.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Makes me wonder about all the the groupies that bands / singers have been banging all these years. I'm not saying they go out of their way to find underage girls but we all know that with enough make-up and the right clothes a young girl can look much older than she really is.

True.

[Beefster]

I find it incredible that our great British press sat on the story and did nothing for all those years. So much for their investigative powers that are under supposed risk from Leveson.

Maybe Fleet St just thought it was par for the course for a few chicks to get manhandled and not worth the bother to expose.

Easier to pay someone to hack into the mobiles of celebs and dead teenagers.

Before folk go chucking bricks at the tabloid press, the BBC should be first in line. Especially if stories of paedophiles rings on the premises and managers ignoring the problem turn out to be true.

[marinello59]

Before folk go chucking bricks at the tabloid press, the BBC should be first in line. Especially if stories of paedophiles rings on the premises and managers ignoring the problem turn out to be true.

Aye. It's the Beeb and the hospitals etc that he was allowed to operate in that are the primary targets here.

[degenerated]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/915876-jimmy-savile-may-have-been-a-necrophiliac-says-paul-gambaccini

If only gambaccini had been wuite so forthcoming at the time it might have been more helpful.

[Phil D. Rolls]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/915876-jimmy-savile-may-have-been-a-necrophiliac-says-paul-gambaccini

If only gambaccini had been wuite so forthcoming at the time it might have been more helpful.


He said: ‘You can look after somebody, be alone with somebody, who has lived a whole lifetime, and I’m just saying goodbye and looking after him. That is a privilege and an honour.

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/915876-jimmy-savile-may-have-been-a-necrophiliac-says-paul-gambaccini#ixzz2AD4lWmnP

Sounds like a reasonable explanation for being in the mortuary - IF they were people he had actually looked after. I'm beginning to think the rumour may have been set up by him, or one that he played into, to throw people off the scent of what he was really up to.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu39js_louis-theroux-jimmy-saville_fun


Ta. I'm getting the soundtrack, but no picture, and I've googled "Theroux+Savile" and other variations and the film seems to be unobtainable right now. Probably too many

The horrid thing is that paedophiles and other sexual predators can get away with their behaviour for a very long time provided they choose their victims carefully - as Savile certainly seems to have done - and cultivate an image that persuades other adults that while they may be a bit "odd", they're really decent people.

Savile used his celebrity to raise huge sums of money for some very good causes; he cultivated his contacts with very high-level celebrities in the media, in government, in the Catholic Church. All of that would militate against his victims being believed - after all, why believe a girl from an approved school against the word of SIR Jimmy Savile, OBE? And institutions like the BBC, Stoke Mandeville, Broadmoor, Leeds General, Leeds University, government ministers like Edwina Currie and others - they're all highly allergic to scandal and have the machinery to quash or cover up embarrassing stories.

Tin hat on, but this is why men in my own profession can find it so easy to get away with serial child molestation - who's going to believe a child (who probably really doesn't like going to church anyway) against "the minister", "the priest", "the choirmaster", whoever? And no church organisation is going to be very ready to belive the child if the consequences will include press coverage, TV coverage, scandal-stories and possible legal action against the denomination? Totally wrong, but it's the way institutions defend themselves. You can see the BBC doing it right now.

This is why ANYONE in regular contact with young people need to be checked out BEFORE they enter into any position where they'll be working with kids, and that SHOULD go for everyone - teachers, doctors, health professionals, youth club leaders, sports coaches, whoever.

AND why the rules for adult contact with children - the sort of rules we operate in all our children's groups, like never beiong alone with a child, avoiding physical contact, watching what you say, watching your behaviour with other leaders, all sorts of things - MUST be observed at all times. If those rules had been in palce in the 1960's Savile and others could have been challenged - not as child-molesters, but for breach of the Child-Safety Code.

It's like gravity - it's not just a good idea, it's THE LAW.

Also - nobody likes a gossip. You're not supposed to spread unfounded rumours. If all you're hearing are vague rumours, you can't really go to the authorities with them. You really need something concrete - this person did this thing to this child in this place at this time. At the least, you need to be able to quote your sources. A lot of younger people don't quite take in just how difficult it was when I was a child for a child to mention anything about sex, far less accuse "Uncle Bob" of stuffing his hand down your knickers/underpants. Case in point - Janet Street-Porter on "Question Time". Sexual predation (not necessarily with minors) was and probably is still endemic in the TV and film industry; junior employees, especially female ones, would have known they wouldn't be believed; there's a huge difference between rumours and hard fact, and the probability would be that whetever YOU said would get back to the person you said it about, and it's now crystal clear that Savile wasn't the sort of guy you wanted to cross.

A friend in my school class in primary school had exactly the same experience as JSP - molested by a guy known to his parents, he told them, and was not only disbelieved but punished for even thinking such a thing about "nice Mr X".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KDSji5BlWs

Looking at the clips from his shows NOW, I just wonder how ANYONE didn't see Savile was a creep of the first order.

[Hibbyradge]

MP raises claim of past paedophile ring linked to No 10

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20070093

Could this be the biggest scandal ever?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm quite confident that some people in positions of some authority will be having sleepless nights for a while, not before time.

[Beefster]

MP raises claim of past paedophile ring linked to No 10

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20070093

Could this be the biggest scandal ever?

Peter Morrison, MP and aide to Thatcher, was named by the legend that is Nick Davies some years ago. Had sex with sixteen year old boy(s) when the homosexual age of consent was 21 allegedly.

http://www.nickdavies.net/1998/04/01/the-sheer-scale-of-child-sexual-abuse-in-britain/

[Beefster]

Don't you think it would be difficult to come forward and, your word against his, claim that you had been pumped by that creepy b**tard?

Besides, attitudes towards paedophilia may have been different in those days. Remember the Paedophile Information Exchange? We used to laugh about it at school - I think they even had a phone number in the book that people used to crank-call - could you imagine such an organisation existing today? They were even affiliated with the National Council for civil Liberties ("Liberty" today, headed by Shami Chakrabarti), which itself had campaigned to lower the age of consent to 14. It was the era of "sexual revolution", was it not? This might explain why people were prepared to turn a blind eye.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange#Affiliation_to_the _NCCL

Pretty shocking to read that Harriet Harman represented them.

[johnbc70]

Looks like David Icke was right all along about Saville. Wonder if he is right about the Queen being a reptile as well.

[heretoday]

I'm sure the mucky business was going on in TV studios, radio stations, record companies and anywhere starstruck kids could gain access to their heroes.

I caught Dave Lee Travis on Top of the Pops 1977 the other night. He was pretending to salaciously chase after dancers Legs and Co in one bit and cuddling teenagers in several other bits.

Even if he was acting innocently, it shows you what passed for acceptable behaviour in those days.

[Beefster]

I'm sure the mucky business was going on in TV studios, radio stations, record companies and anywhere starstruck kids could gain access to their heroes.

I caught Dave Lee Travis on Top of the Pops 1977 the other night. He was pretending to salaciously chase after dancers Legs and Co in one bit and cuddling teenagers in several other bits.

Even if he was acting innocently, it shows you what passed for acceptable behaviour in those days.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/15/dave-lee-travis-accused-of-groping-two-former-bbc-employees-sex-scandal-_n_1966040.html

[Betty Boop]

MP raises claim of past paedophile ring linked to No 10

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20070093

Could this be the biggest scandal ever?

Tony Blair was also accused of covering up a paedophile ring.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12658

[Twa Cairpets]

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

You come across as a very warped and twisted person.

You do know that don't you?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

You come across as a very warped and twisted person.

You do know that don't you?

Maybe Jim fixed it for him to go to Hong Kong!

[(((Fergus)))]

A great-niece [of Saville's], Caroline Robinson, has told BBC Radio 5 Live she was abused by him when she was 12.
Mrs Robinson, who is now 49, said: "When I was reading about the victims in the paper it was like reading a mirror image of what I went through."
She added: "When I was 12... he asked me to sit on his knee and he said 'what can Jimmy do for you?' and I said 'Can I see the Bay City Rollers?' who were my favourite group at the time."
Mrs Robinson said Savile got sexually excited as she sat on his knee and put his hands in her underwear.
She said she ended up running upstairs in tears but she said she never told her parents what had happened.


Some people who are abused, and not just by powerful or famous people, just bury it at the time and prefer to keep it buried until an opportunity for catharsis, such as now, arises. The more people reveal their story, the easier it is to do, too.

[--------]

Pretty shocking to read that Harriet Harman represented them.


I take it you're referring to this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html (http://http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html)

There's more in another article.

"Harriet Harman, the Opposition deputy leader, said the allegations that the late TV and radio presenter abused dozens of young boys and girls had “cast a stain” on the BBC and other trusted institutions. But at the time Savile was at the height of his fame, Miss Harman was calling for the relaxation of the law on child pornography. She was a leading light in the pressure group now known as Liberty, which advocated the lowering of the age of consent to 14. The organisation, then run by the Health Secretary under Tony Blair, Patricia Hewitt, even counted among its affiliates a number of extreme pro-paedophilia groups whose leaders were later jailed."

And this.

"In April 1978 [Harman] wrote the NCCL’s response to the Protection of Children Bill, which was put before Parliament in order to tighten the laws on child pornography by banning indecent images of under-16s. It claimed that the new law could lead to “damaging and absurd prosecutions” and “increase censorship”. She suggested that pornographic photographs or films of children should not be considered indecent unless it could be shown that the subject had suffered, and that prosecutors would have to prove harm rather than defendants having to justify themselves."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9614516/Jimmy-Savile-Labour-faces-embarrassment-over-former-child-sex-claims.html

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9614516/Jimmy-Savile-Labour-faces-embarrassment-over-former-child-sex-claims.html)Personally, I don't find it shocking at all. I've never liked or trusted Harman or Hewitt (or Tony Blair, for that matter). I suppose her defence would be that in acting on behalf of the NCCL in 1978 she was simply representing her client's position before Parliament, and that what she wrote on behalf of the NCCL in no way represented her own opinions or views.

You can believe that if you like.

[GoldenEagle]

There have always been rumours of a huge cover up (there is a 100 year ban on reporting) on the Dunblane tragedy and links allegedly from Thomas Hamilton direct to leaders with very Scottish connections and child abuse.

If you google 'Thomas Hamilton' cover up then would it now be such a leap of faith to actually believe some of it. I never would've previously but now, well I'm not so sure.

[johnbc70]

Some of the stuff on the web about Savile and his connections with the 'establishment' is frightening.

David Icke was ridiculed but he talked years ago about Savile and what he was up to.

http://www.economicvoice.com/thousands-will-flock-to-see-david-icke-at-wembley/50033094#axzz2ALZTPAkN

[steakbake]

Tony Blair was also accused of covering up a paedophile ring.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12658

That place is absolutely mental!! It's got it's own happy clappers, doom and gloomers but it doesn't have a calendar signing thread.

It's well worth a wee peek. Funniest thing I read on a thread about Obama having been to Mars in the 1980s, was the guy who posted in all seriousness "My sources tell me that no human has ever been to Mars" as if he as in the know.

[Beefster]

That place is absolutely mental!! It's got it's own happy clappers, doom and gloomers but it doesn't have a calendar signing thread.

It's well worth a wee peek. Funniest thing I read on a thread about Obama having been to Mars in the 1980s, was the guy who posted in all seriousness "My sources tell me that no human has ever been to Mars" as if he as in the know.

It's been an eye-opener anyway. Apparently, the digital switchover has been a response to an increase in TVs switching themselves on, having voices come out of them and possessing folk. Explains everything.

[degenerated]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=A9yJUOdVyUc

Couldn't help but laugh at this one

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I see the oddly haired, cigar wielding, jewellery wearing buffoon from CH4 racing has been emptied, interesting! ;-)

[iwasthere1972]

I see the oddly haired, cigar wielding, jewellery wearing buffoon from CH4 racing has been emptied, interesting! ;-)

Can you elaborate?

Forget that. I decided not to be lazy and just google John Mc.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I see the oddly haired, cigar wielding, jewellery wearing buffoon from CH4 racing has been emptied, interesting! ;-)

What's the odds on him being a nonce?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

What's the odds on him being a nonce?

Odds on FAV I would think!

[Hiber-nation]

Odds on FAV I would think!

Dunno about that but he's the worst racing pundit ever.

No John its nowt to do with ageism, its just that you're a complete and utter slavering old welt.

[Phil D. Rolls]

When I read Keith Richards' book I got the impression he was suggesting Bill Wyman was into under age girls.

[steakbake]

Are ladbrokes or billy hills doing an accumulator?

[Mon Dieu4]

When I read Keith Richards' book I got the impression he was suggesting Bill Wyman was into under age girls.

was he not with Mandy Smith when she was about 14?

and Elvis and Priscilla

[Steve-O]

When I read Keith Richards' book I got the impression he was suggesting Bill Wyman was into under age girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Wyman#Personal_life

Began dating when she was 13 and he was 50...:rolleyes:

[lapsedhibee]

When I read Keith Richards' book I got the impression he was suggesting Bill Wyman was into under age girls.

I think at last the secret's about to come out. Rock stars didn't aks to see groupies' birth certificates! :shocked:

[Steve-O]

I think at last the secret's about to come out. Rock stars didn't aks to see groupies' birth certificates! :shocked:

I think this one did though since Wyman got Smith's mother's permission to date her!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Dunno about that but he's the worst racing pundit ever.

No John its nowt to do with ageism, its just that you're a complete and utter slavering old welt.

He could always go back to being a bookie again, he might be better at it than he was first time round, I very much doubt it though!

[Beefster]

I think at last the secret's about to come out. Rock stars didn't aks to see groupies' birth certificates! :shocked:

Wyman was well aware of Mandy Smith's age when they started 'dating'.

[DaveF]

Glitter arrested this morning.

[Hibbyradge]

I think at last the secret's about to come out. Rock stars didn't aks to see groupies' birth certificates! :shocked:

I'm not a lawyer, but even I could rip that defence to pieces in a courtroom.

However, if groupies were eager to have sex with their heroes, it's unlikely that they'll be pressing charges against them, unless of course, they have the mercenary hope of making some cash out of the revelations.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I'm not a lawyer, but even I could rip that defence to pieces in a courtroom.

However, if groupies were eager to have sex with their heroes, it's unlikely that they'll be pressing charges against them, unless of course, they have the mercenary hope of making some cash out of the revelations.

I think it was significant that Keith Richards pointed out how young the girls outside his band mates hotel room used to be. And the fact that he seems to have been involved with a 14 year old, and it was a high profile story.

Yet, Wyman has not come in for the same treatment as Glitter or Saville. It's strange the way news is managed, and its strange how an outraged public can't see what's going on because they are surrounded by a nob.

[Hiber-nation]

I think it was significant that Keith Richards pointed out how young the girls outside his band mates hotel room used to be. And the fact that he seems to have been involved with a 14 year old, and it was a high profile story.

Yet, Wyman has not come in for the same treatment as Glitter or Saville. It's strange the way news is managed, and its strange how an outraged public can't see what's going on because they are surrounded by a nob.

Suppose its cos the girls involved with the Stones were queueing outside the dressing room door whereas Glitter and Saville were cynically manipulating those who couldn't defend themselves.

[lapsedhibee]

I'm not a lawyer, but even I could rip that defence to pieces in a courtroom.

However, if groupies were eager to have sex with their heroes, it's unlikely that they'll be pressing charges against them, unless of course, they have the mercenary hope of making some cash out of the revelations.

You gotta suspect that of the now hunners of people contacting the polis about Sir Jim, at least one might be trying it on. Think it will be a hard job, at this distance in time, trying to ascertain which claims, if any, are less than genuine. Since Sir Jim's modus operandi seems to have been fairly widely known, a bystander at the time might well now be tempted to a bit of exaggeration, non?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

One out of hunners! i suppose the exception proves the rule eh?

[Phil D. Rolls]

Suppose its cos the girls involved with the Stones were queueing outside the dressing room door whereas Glitter and Saville were cynically manipulating those who couldn't defend themselves.

I think the issue is that, confronted with a sexually curious and awe struck teenager, a mature man should have the decency and sense to keep his distance. Graham Rix regularly gets it in the neck on here because he fell for an underage girl, what makes him different from Bill Wyman (who may, or may not have been involved with under age girls)?

Wyman appears to have groomed a girl from the age of 14 - surely questions need to be asked about his behaviour?

Is there a difference between the older guy who goes for sexually mature girls who are below the age of consent, and the person who has sex with pre-pubescent kids?

[lapsedhibee]

One out of hunners! i suppose the exception proves the rule eh?

Probably hunners (thoosands even?) more genuine victims that won't come forward, preferring to let it lie after all this time - just saying, it will surely be difficult in some cases to verify what did or didn't happen in 1960s/1970s.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Beeb saying today they wouldn't let us near Children in Need, as he seemed too sinister a character. I think that sort of approach is much more sensible and does more to protect kids than anything the law can. Educate kids, and be vigilant as parents and a society.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Probably hunners (thoosands even?) more genuine victims that won't come forward, preferring to let it lie after all this time - just saying, it will surely be difficult in some cases to verify what did or didn't happen in 1960s/1970s.

Your previous post doesnae come across like that. It implies that at least one of the folk that have come forward are telling porkies, maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

[LeighLoyal]

At least we know what kind of gang Glitter was leading, with Savile his wingman! :rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

It interesting Jimmy Saville has been working for years and years at different things, DJ included, and probably since the late 50 / early 60s...but now a year after his death, we suddenley have all these people coming forward with this and that!...if they were 12 / 13 / 14 etc.. 30 and 40 years ago, why didnt they come forward sooner...not wait all that time until a year after he died, but ofcoarse a dead man cant defend himself, if guilty im all for him being made an example of, and take the knighthood away! etc.., but just a little strange why so many would wait all these years!...not saying the man was perfect, yes a bit weird at times....but is it just the compensation culture and money for nothing brigade trying to get something out of a dead mans family...probably a quiet well off family at that!

How's this working out for you?

[lapsedhibee]

Your previous post doesnae come across like that. It implies that at least one of the folk that have come forward are telling porkies, maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

Well, perhaps should make a distinction between peeps who have turned up at polis stations to confirm to polis that Sir Jim was at it, on the one hand, and peeps who have contacted lawyers with a view to claiming some sort of compensation from BBC, NHS, whoever, on the other.

These two sets of peeps may be identical, or they may not - I don't know. But in the latter case, of peeps who have contacted lawyers, I do wonder how their claims are going to be assessed. It can't be the case, shirley, that everyone who asks for compensation from what is effectively the public purse will automatically get it, can it? If that were the case, then I would assume that the facility would be abused - free money. If it were not the case, it would be a tough job for some group of assessors to confidently judge the validity of a claim at this distance in time.

[Minder]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100184881/when-jimmy-savile-met-peter-sutcliffe/

One murder in Roundhay Park was yards from Savilles house and another murder in Halifax took place in Saville Park. Freaky.

[James70]

Not suggesting that the late John Peel was a paedophile.

However when he was younger he was married to a 15 year old and he was always quite open about his all time favourite record being "Teenage Kicks" by The Undertones. :hmmm:

[HH81]

One murder in Roundhay Park was yards from Savilles house and another murder in Halifax took place in Saville Park. Freaky.

Don't really know much about the murder but I park my car for work next to saville park. Area with loads of football pitches.

If it was like it is now hard to imagine how anyone can murder someone there. It's a massive area with football pitches and a main road going all the way round it. Fully open area.

[Steve-O]

I'm not a lawyer, but even I could rip that defence to pieces in a courtroom.

However, if groupies were eager to have sex with their heroes, it's unlikely that they'll be pressing charges against them, unless of course, they have the mercenary hope of making some cash out of the revelations.

I think in cases of underage sex / statutory rape etc the Police can still charge without the actual victim 'pressing' charges?

edit: It's likely SOMEONE would have to make a complaint though I assume.

[Minder]

Don't really know much about the murder but I park my car for work next to saville park. Area with loads of football pitches.

If it was like it is now hard to imagine how anyone can murder someone there. It's a massive area with football pitches and a main road going all the way round it. Fully open area.


I live very close less than a mile away, imagine it late at night, lot less cars on road then and poor street lighting. Visibility from edge of road to middle of the grassy area virtually zero.

[HH81]

I live very close less than a mile away, imagine it late at night, lot less cars on road then and poor street lighting. Visibility from edge of road to middle of the grassy area virtually zero.

Good point think there is lights it it now though?

Good to hear there is a fellow hibby from Halifax.

[Minder]

Good point think there is lights it it now though?

Good to hear there is a fellow hibby from Halifax.

From drylaw living in fax.

:flag:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Freddie Starr arrested on suspicion of sexual offences. Interesting as he was quite determined he had nothing to hide in an interview a few days ago.

[Minder]

Freddie Starr arrested on suspicion of sexual offences. Interesting as he was quite determined he had nothing to hide in an interview a few days ago.

I can see a headline, "Freddy Starr ate my beaver".

[Beefster]

A senior politician may be outed as a paedophile on Newsnight tonight. It's currently with lawyers about whether it can go ahead.

[lapsedhibee]

A senior politician may be outed as a paedophile on Newsnight tonight. It's currently with lawyers about whether it can go ahead.

Presumably the politician who died in the mid-1990s.

[Hiber-nation]

Presumably the politician who died in the mid-1990s.

Supposedly alive. Well the Newsnight tweet says "If all goes well we've got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile."

[Beefster]

Presumably the politician who died in the mid-1990s.

As Hiber-nation says, he/she is alive. Confirmed by the investigating journalist.

[Jonnyboy]

Freddie Starr arrested on suspicion of sexual offences. Interesting as he was quite determined he had nothing to hide in an interview a few days ago.

Starr is 69 years old and his fiance is 34 or thereabouts. Quite an age difference dontcha think :wink::wink:


Presumably the politician who died in the mid-1990s.

Who were you thinking it was?

[Hibbyradge]

Sir Peter Morrison.

[Beefster]

Who were you thinking it was?

Presumably Peter Morrison.

[Minder]

Starr is 69 years old and his fiance is 34 or thereabouts. Quite an age difference dontcha think :wink::wink:



Who were you thinking it was?



Quite an interesting thread on:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222773&page=540

[Hiber-nation]

Lord Mcalpine or Kenneth Clarke.

Quite an interesting thred on:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222773&page=540

Some complete and utter raving nutters on there. Scary.

[HibsMax]

When I think back to the "good old days" when there was a lot more lewd programming on TV, it makes me wonder how widespread this whole thing actually was. Is. There were a lot of dirty old men on TV back in the day.

[Minder]

Some complete and utter raving nutters on there. Scary.


Yep , makes keekback look sane. But stll has some novel discussion topics.

[YehButNoBut]

Liked this pic of Savile with a Speedo t-shirt on. :greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7CrZV-CMAELDvU.jpg

[euansdad]

Hardly a day goes by without a new Saville revalation. Whilst i think its obvious he was a perv, some of it seems sensationalist now. If all was true, he would make John Wayne Gacy look normal and an upstanding citizen

[lapsedhibee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20309286

Savile being described in that article as a "lifelong sexual predator" who engineered all his TV programmes to optimise access to his prey.

Police say as many as 300 victims over a 40 year period.

Isn't that a rather low total for such an apparently dedicated perv over such a long time span? I wonder whether the true figure might be much, much higher.

[HibsMax]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-20309286

Savile being described in that article as a "lifelong sexual predator" who engineered all his TV programmes to optimise access to his prey.

Police say as many as 300 victims over a 40 year period.

Isn't that a rather low total for such an apparently dedicated perv over such a long time span? I wonder whether the true figure might be much, much higher.
I don't think that seems low. Roughly one new victim every 6 weeks over a sustained period of time sounds pretty high to me.

[euansdad]

Well its 300 lives ruined any way by a predator

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Yep , makes keekback look sane. But stll has some novel discussion topics.

Have a look at the Savile thread on the TAMB, theres a lassie called Jude21 that seems to see a conspiracy theory round every corner. Its a long thread, but, quite a good read.

http://taboard.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=133518

[12AlbionPlace]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798

[euansdad]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798

Makes you think there was a considerable 'celebrity' sex ring. Disturbing

[HibsMax]

Makes you think there was a considerable 'celebrity' sex ring. Disturbing
:agree:

I really hope that there aren't people jumping on the band wagon, that will only make the investigation more tricky.

I said this earlier in this thread, I wonder how many musicians are just as guilty by sleeping with groupies?

[hibsbollah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20336798

The hairy cornflake brought in for questioning. Lets hope there are no more cereal offenders involved







:tumble:

[IWasThere2016]

I have been told the older TV celeb being questioned re abuse, linked to Savile case, is Rolf Harris - apparently it is on the interweb elsewhere.

[Betty Boop]

I have been told the older TV celeb being questioned re abuse, linked to Savile case, is Rolf Harris - apparently it is on the interweb elsewhere.


Nah Stuart Hall.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/05/stuart-hall-reportedly-arrested-allegations-rape

[blackpoolhibs]

Nah Stuart Hall.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/05/stuart-hall-reportedly-arrested-allegations-rape

Looks like he will have to play his joker in this one.

[--------]

Looks like he will have to play his joker in this one.


Looks more like he's gone bust, I'm afraid.

"It's a Knock-out" and "Jeux Sans Frontieres" constituted capital crimes, IMO, and Hall himself was a total pain in the butt.

He and Eddie Waring and everybody else connected with those shows should have been boiled in oil for perpetrating those shows.

Or beaten to death with one of their BLOODY inflatable penguins.

[twiceinathens]

I have been told the older TV celeb being questioned re abuse, linked to Savile case, is Rolf Harris - apparently it is on the interweb elsewhere.
While Saville has been reliably identified as a despicable sex offender who is unfortunately no longer able to be prosecuted, and I hope that others like him should pay the penalty for their offences, is the "I heard it through the grapevine" speculation not to be avoided.

[--------]

While Saville has been reliably identified as a despicable sex offender who is unfortunately no longer able to be prosecuted, and I hope that others like him should pay the penalty for their offences, is the "I heard it through the grapevine" speculation not to be avoided.


:agree: Yup.

[sg7nil]

And now...

Max Clifford!

Wonder how he'll spin this one!

[heretoday]

Looks more like he's gone bust, I'm afraid.

"It's a Knock-out" and "Jeux Sans Frontieres" constituted capital crimes, IMO, and Hall himself was a total pain in the butt.

He and Eddie Waring and everybody else connected with those shows should have been boiled in oil for perpetrating those shows.

Or beaten to death with one of their BLOODY inflatable penguins.

Oh come on! They were great. You have to laugh at the penguin bucket of water game surely? It's on You Tube somewhere.

Classic absurdity made funnier by the fact that the Germans, Italians etc took it seriously.

Hall's own hilarity added to it as well although I suppose he's dead meat now.

[CropleyWasGod]

Oh come on! They were great. You have to laugh at the penguin bucket of water game surely? It's on You Tube somewhere.

Classic absurdity made funnier by the fact that the Germans, Italians etc took it seriously.

Hall's own hilarity added to it as well although I suppose he's dead meat now.

It was of its time.... xenophobic nonsense, but addictive with it. If we saw it now, I think we'd almost lump it in with Dali, the Goons and Python in its surreal absurdity.

Peter Gabriel summed it up "Games without frontiers, war without tears"

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/peter+gabriel/games+without+frontiers_20107496.html

[CropleyWasGod]

And now...

Max Clifford!

Wonder how he'll spin this one!

.... he is in the perfect position to co-operate with Police and take an awful lot of people down.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

You'd have to laugh if he said "no comment" to the press.

[--------]

It was of its time.... xenophobic nonsense, but addictive with it. If we saw it now, I think we'd almost lump it in with Dali, the Goons and Python in its surreal absurdity.

Peter Gabriel summed it up "Games without frontiers, war without tears"

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/peter+gabriel/games+without+frontiers_20107496.html


WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT!

The soft whirring sound you hear is that of poor old Spike Milligan spinning in his grave.

Do NOT compare the greatest and funniest comedy show ever presented on the BBC with an exhibition of clowns in allegedly funny costumes competing with one another to find out who's the most ridiculous, while being egged on by that ghastly professional Yawrkshireman "Oop-an-Oonder" Waring and the Sheepskin-Coated Horror Hall.

Dali, the Goons and the Pythons KNEW they were being surreal, absurd, even entirely silly at times.


JSF/IAKO were just stupid.

[poolman]

I think that Jeanette Krankie being put in charge of the nuclear deterrent is a bigger issue, tbh.


That post dwarfs anything else on this thread :rolleyes:

[Betty Boop]

Jim Davidson the latest to be arrested over sexual abuse allegations.

[CropleyWasGod]

Jim Davidson the latest to be arrested over sexual abuse allegations.

It's now become a game, trying to predict the next outing.

I read a piece the other day which suggested that it might have the effect of the public losing their "trust" in celebrity. That can only be a good thing, no?

That is, until it's a real hero of ours that is busted....

[Phil D. Rolls]

It's now become a game, trying to predict the next outing.

I read a piece the other day which suggested that it might have the effect of the public losing their "trust" in celebrity. That can only be a good thing, no?

That is, until it's a real hero of ours that is busted....

I'll wager it isn't a judge or ex cabinet minister, but more likely a former celebrity who is not many people like. Given Davidson's age at the time, I'd say there were some men in the area I grew up, who would also now merit the tag "paedophile".

[Beefster]

Rolf Harris was seemingly questioned and had his home searched as part of Operation Yewtree at the end of November. Not that that means he's guilty, of course.

[Betty Boop]

Rolf Harris was seemingly questioned and had his home searched as part of Operation Yewtree at the end of November. Not that that means he's guilty, of course.

Rolf Harris arrested this morning.

[CropleyWasGod]

Rolf Harris arrested this morning.

He was actually arrested a few weeks ago. The media didn't (wouldn't?) report it then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22212131

[Beefster]

I'm not sure why Harris wasn't named before or what's changed to allow him to be named now. The media have been aware of his arrests since last year though.

[Betty Boop]

He was actually arrested a few weeks ago. The media didn't (wouldn't?) report it then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22212131

I wonder why that would be ?

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm not sure why Harris wasn't named before or what's changed to allow him to be named now. The media have been aware of his arrests since last year though.

The chatter at the time was about nervousness over the Leveson conclusions.

[Beefster]

The chatter at the time was about nervousness over the Leveson conclusions.

Very possible. There have been a few stories gone unreported because the press didn't want to piss off politicians/Hacked Off before a decision was made on regulations/legislation apparently.

[jodjam]

Two little boys .........

[wpj]

Two little boys .........

Jake the peg with the "extra leg".........

[.Sean.]

Vile. Just a shame that as the crime's were commited so long ago not all the nonces will be brought to justice.

[cocopops1875]

Just out of point i get the impression that this does'nt relate to kids, (just by they way it gets worded) Could be wrong though :agree:

[(((Fergus)))]

Jake the peg with the "extra leg".........

Tie me kangaroo down, sport!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Freddie Starr re-arrested



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22282769


Entertainer Freddie Starr has been re-arrested over fresh allegations of sexual offences under Operation Yewtree, unrelated to Jimmy Savile.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Max Clifford better get himself a good PR man, a good lawyer might come in handy as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22313286

Max Clifford charged with 11 indecent assaultsPR guru Max Clifford has been charged with 11 indecent assaults allegedly committed between 1966 and 1985.

[lapsedhibee]

Max Clifford better get himself a good PR man, a good lawyer might come in handy as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22313286

Max Clifford charged with 11 indecent assaultsPR guru Max Clifford has been charged with 11 indecent assaults allegedly committed between 1966 and 1985.

Indecency when he was 23 with (perhaps) a woman aged 19. Being pursued 47 years later. I hope the indecency was of a properly serious nature (ie not putting his hand up a 19-year-old's jumper) to justify the public expense of the pursuit.

Jimmy Savile, chum of the rich and famous, was a proper perv. I'm not sure that Clifford, Harris, etc were, on the details so far made public.

:stirrer:

[Beefster]

Indecency when he was 23 with (perhaps) a woman aged 19. Being pursued 47 years later. I hope the indecency was of a properly serious nature (ie not putting his hand up a 19-year-old's jumper) to justify the public expense of the pursuit.

Jimmy Savile, chum of the rich and famous, was a proper perv. I'm not sure that Clifford, Harris, etc were, on the details so far made public.

:stirrer:

Clifford's alleged offences are from 11 separate occasions against 7 different girls, some of whom were underage. He allegedly committed the offences over an almost 20 year period between the ages of 23 and 42.

I think it's fair to say that the public expense of prosecuting him is justified.

[lapsedhibee]

Clifford's alleged offences are from 11 separate occasions against 7 different girls, some of whom were underage. He allegedly committed the offences over an almost 20 year period between the ages of 23 and 42.

I think it's fair to say that the public expense of prosecuting him is justified.

Maybe. Although it's obviously not an either/or thing, I'm happier to see polis spend their time on this (http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/26/three-men-jailed-for-keeping-vulnerable-13-year-old-girl-as-sex-slave-in-ipswich-3668425/) sort of offending.

Might yet come out that Clifford and Harris were doing stuff almost as seriously bad. We'll see.

[stu in nottingham]

And another...

Coronation Street's Bill Roache Arrested (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/corrie-star-arrested-over-sexual-assault-094447708.html#vwBEI1T)

[Beefster]

Stuart Hall - accused of one count of rape of a 19 year old and 14 offences of indecent assault involving girls between the ages of 9 and 16.

February 2013 - "These allegations are pernicious, callous, cruel and, above all, spurious. I'm not guilty and will be defending the allegations. I just wonder why it's taken thirty or forty years for the allegations to surface. The last two months of my life have been a living nightmare...and I might have been tempted to take my own life."

April 2013 - "I plead guilty, m'lud"

I suspect this is a pattern we're going to see quite a lot in the next year or so.

[Hibs Class]

Stuart Hall - accused of one count of rape of a 19 year old and 14 offences of indecent assault involving girls between the ages of 9 and 16.

February 2013 - "These allegations are pernicious, callous, cruel and, above all, spurious. I'm not guilty and will be defending the allegations. I just wonder why it's taken thirty or forty years for the allegations to surface. The last two months of my life have been a living nightmare...and I might have been tempted to take my own life."

April 2013 - "I plead guilty, m'lud"

I suspect this is a pattern we're going to see quite a lot in the next year or so.

Plea is guilty to the assault charges and the rape charge has been left on file. Don't know what the background to that is, e.g. plea bargain, but the absence of a rape confession/conviction will presumably be reflected in his sentence.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22379286


BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall has admitted 14 charges of indecently assaulting girls including one aged nine.
The 83-year-old of Wilmslow, Cheshire, pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to the offences, involving 13 victims, which occurred between 1967 and 1985

[heretoday]

Dirty old devils. There's sure to be loads more coming out. It's time Coral's opened a book on it.

[carnoustiehibee]

The prison panto will be great this year

[cabbageandribs1875]

and next up....Jimmy Tarbuck

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/4917658/jimmy-tarbuck-arrested.html


COMEDY legend Jimmy Tarbuck has been arrested over claims he sexually abused a young boy in the 1970s

[heretoday]

Jimmy Tarbuck! I never liked him but his daughter is a good egg. It's getting weird.

I can see the government imposing an amnesty on all showbiz-related offences prior to the 80s.

[Future17]

Jimmy Tarbuck! I never liked him but his daughter is a good egg. It's getting weird.

I can see the government imposing an amnesty on all showbiz-related offences prior to the 80s.

:confused:

How would this work exactly?

[Beefster]

:confused:

How would this work exactly?

If you've ever played golf with Kenny Lynch, Bruce Forsyth or Christopher Biggins, any nonsense, pre-1988, is forgiven and not open to charges?

If anything comes out about Ted Rogers or Dusty Bin, a bit of my childhood is going to die.

[Future17]

If you've ever played golf with Kenny Lynch, Bruce Forsyth or Christopher Biggins, any nonsense, pre-1988, is forgiven and not open to charges?

If anything comes out about Ted Rogers or Dusty Bin, a bit of my childhood is going to die.

I think it would be better suited to the format of a Saturday night TV show.

Offenders should appear before a panel of celebrity judges who have dubious qualifications for the role:

Martin Shaw, due to his experience as Judge John Deed.
Pete Towshend, straddling the world of celebrity and dodginess.
Annie Lennox, due to her work with Amnesty International.
Max Clifford, see Pete Townshend.

The offenders should confess their crimes and then be asked to prove they were "showbiz-related" by demonstrating their "talent" and explaining the undoubtedly tenuous link to whatever nonsense television they were involved with at the time.

[--------]

I think it would be better suited to the format of a Saturday night TV show.

Offenders should appear before a panel of celebrity judges who have dubious qualifications for the role:

Martin Shaw, due to his experience as Judge John Deed.
Pete Towshend, straddling the world of celebrity and dodginess.
Annie Lennox, due to her work with Amnesty International.
Max Clifford, see Pete Townshend.

The offenders should confess their crimes and then be asked to prove they were "showbiz-related" by demonstrating their "talent" and explaining the undoubtedly tenuous link to whatever nonsense television they were involved with at the time.


Max Clifford has a few charges to answer himself, surely? And as for Pete Townsend ...

Townshend was cautioned by the British police in 2003 as part of Operation Ore. Following a news leak that suggested to Townshend that he was among the subjects of the investigation, he came forward to publicly state that on one occasion, he had used a credit card to register with a website advertising child pornography. Townshend, who had posted essays on his personal website in 2002 as part of his campaign against the widespread availability of child pornography on the internet, claimed that he had entered the site for research purposes and had not downloaded any images. A four-month police investigation, including forensic examination of all of his computers, established that Townshend was not in possession of any illegal downloaded images. The police elected to caution him, stating, "It is not a defence to access these images for research or out of curiosity." In a statement issued by his lawyer, Townshend said, "I accept that I was wrong to access this site, and that by doing so, I broke the law, and I have accepted the caution that the police have given me."

Personally, I would think the best format for the show would be along the lines of the Japanese game-show "Endurance".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEOz7gaFfmU

Only in this case, don't stop for ANYTHING. ANYTHING AT ALL.

And no rubber bricks!

Stuart Hall should enjoy it .... http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/devil.gif

[heretoday]

If David Attenborough or Bruce Forsyth are ever implicated in anything the government will have to resign and martial law will have to be imposed.

[Future17]

Max Clifford has a few charges to answer himself, surely? And as for Pete Townsend ...

:agree:


Hence the straddling reference, for want of a more appropriate term.

Personally, I would think the best format for the show would be along the lines of the Japanese game-show "Endurance".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEOz7gaFfmU

Only in this case, don't stop for ANYTHING. ANYTHING AT ALL.

And no rubber bricks!

Stuart Hall should enjoy it .... http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/devil.gif

Gets my vote.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If David Attenborough or Bruce Forsyth are ever implicated in anything the government will have to resign and martial law will have to be imposed.

If it wasnae such a serious subject I'd be delighted if Brucie was "outed" next, I cannae stand the old dinosaur!

[heretoday]

If it wasnae such a serious subject I'd be delighted if Brucie was "outed" next, I cannae stand the old dinosaur!

And Attenborough got "too close" to the gorillas.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

And Attenborough got "too close" to the gorillas.

Couldnae give a monkeys about that!

Wouldnae mind Dave Whelan getting his collar felt, I've got an irrational dislike for the man!

[Steve-O]

Couldnae give a monkeys about that!

Wouldnae mind Dave Whelan getting his collar felt, I've got an irrational dislike for the man!

http://i4.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article1760833.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Dave-Whelan-1760833.jpg

[Danderhall Hibs]

If it wasnae such a serious subject I'd be delighted if Brucie was "outed" next, I cannae stand the old dinosaur!

Here here!

[HibsMax]

Max Clifford has a few charges to answer himself, surely? And as for Pete Townsend ...

Townshend was cautioned by the British police in 2003 as part of Operation Ore. Following a news leak that suggested to Townshend that he was among the subjects of the investigation, he came forward to publicly state that on one occasion, he had used a credit card to register with a website advertising child pornography. Townshend, who had posted essays on his personal website in 2002 as part of his campaign against the widespread availability of child pornography on the internet, claimed that he had entered the site for research purposes and had not downloaded any images. A four-month police investigation, including forensic examination of all of his computers, established that Townshend was not in possession of any illegal downloaded images. The police elected to caution him, stating, "It is not a defence to access these images for research or out of curiosity." In a statement issued by his lawyer, Townshend said, "I accept that I was wrong to access this site, and that by doing so, I broke the law, and I have accepted the caution that the police have given me."

Personally, I would think the best format for the show would be along the lines of the Japanese game-show "Endurance".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEOz7gaFfmU

Only in this case, don't stop for ANYTHING. ANYTHING AT ALL.

And no rubber bricks!

Stuart Hall should enjoy it .... :devil:

I recall watching Endurance when there were clips shown on the Clive James, I think, show. Loved it. I think the CIA borrowed a few of the tests and incorporated them into their interrogations.

[Andy74]

Has Brian Cant ever been done for anything?

[degenerated]

Since the news broke I've been racking my brains for a funny Jimmy Tarbuck joke, but he hasn't had one.

[Corstorphine Hibby]

If it wasnae such a serious subject I'd be delighted if Brucie was "outed" next, I cannae stand the old dinosaur!

Springsteen or Willis ?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Springsteen or Willis ?

As below!



If David Attenborough or Bruce Forsyth are ever implicated in anything the government will have to resign and martial law will have to be imposed.


If it wasnae such a serious subject I'd be delighted if Brucie was "outed" next, I cannae stand the old dinosaur!

[Beefster]

A prominent [female] barrister says that the age of consent should be lowered to 13 to 'end the persecution of old men'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22459815

Staggering.

[Hibs Class]

A prominent [female] barrister says that the age of consent should be lowered to 13 to 'end the persecution of old men'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22459815

Staggering.

Saw that earlier, quite shocking. Reminded me of a Jimmy Carr gag where he referred to the age of consent being lowered in, IIRC, Mexico, with the punchline "well, she looked 12 to me". It's such a ridiculous idea that you have to wonder why she made it.

[Future17]

Since the news broke I've been racking my brains for a funny Jimmy Tarbuck joke, but he hasn't had one.

:greengrin

[--------]

The prison panto will be great this year


I don't think so.

Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter, Jim Davidson, Jimmy Tarbuck, Freddie Starr, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris - there's a bit of a pattern emerging here.

A pattern as in puke-worthy.

I think we have an infallible guide to paedophilia in the world of crappy entertainment - if he makes me want to throw up, arrest him.

[carnoustiehibee]

I don't think so.

Jimmy Savile, Gary Glitter, Jim Davidson, Jimmy Tarbuck, Freddie Starr, Stuart Hall, Rolf Harris - there's a bit of a pattern emerging here.

A pattern as in puke-worthy.

I think we have an infallible guide to paedophilia in the world of crappy entertainment - if he makes me want to throw up, arrest him.

I don't have a clue what your on about. My comment was a joke.

[--------]

I don't have a clue what your on about. My comment was a joke.

So was mine. :confused:

But there can't really be a connection between rubbish comedians and pedophilia, or Mock the Week would have been closed down years ago.

[Future17]

Couldnae give a monkeys about that!

Wouldnae mind Dave Whelan getting his collar felt, I've got an irrational dislike for the man!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22466795

Best of luck to him.

[Beefster]

I love The Daily Mash.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/saviles-relationship-with-police-only-looked-horribly-corrupt-2013051068208

[lord bunberry]

Did anyone listen to the Jeremy Vine show yesterday, there was a couple of women on who were saying it is wrong to be prosecuting all these celebrities for doing what was the accepted norm at the time. They were saying it was wrong to be judging people by today's standards, obviously they were referring to the less serious cases

[Hiber-nation]

I love The Daily Mash.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/saviles-relationship-with-police-only-looked-horribly-corrupt-2013051068208

That is superb :greengrin

[Andy74]

Did anyone listen to the Jeremy Vine show yesterday, there was a couple of women on who were saying it is wrong to be prosecuting all these celebrities for doing what was the accepted norm at the time. They were saying it was wrong to be judging people by today's standards, obviously they were referring to the less serious cases

I've got SOME sympathy with that. Anyone watch Mad Men? If that is reflective of behaviour at the time then a lot of men would be getting a knock on the door.

[lord bunberry]

I've got SOME sympathy with that. Anyone watch Mad Men? If that is reflective of behaviour at the time then a lot of men would be getting a knock on the door.

When I was listening to it it got me thinking about what today's equivalent would be, what people do now that is accepted as part of daily life but against the law and maybe in 30 years considered so unacceptable that people could be prosecuted. I was also thinking about things like racism that was considered so acceptable 30 years ago it was broadcast at prime time on the bbc but would never be tolerated now.

[--------]

When I was listening to it it got me thinking about what today's equivalent would be, what people do now that is accepted as part of daily life but against the law and maybe in 30 years considered so unacceptable that people could be prosecuted. I was also thinking about things like racism that was considered so acceptable 30 years ago it was broadcast at prime time on the bbc but would never be tolerated now.


Yup. Like the B+W Minstrel Show. :rolleyes:

In the Savile affair, of course, how does one tell which are the 'less serious cases'? Is there even such a thing as a 'less serious case' in this context? The Victorians tolerated child-prostitution (as long as they didn't do it in the street and frighten the horses), but middle-aged men indulging in sex with 11-year-olds doesn't strike me as EVER being 'right' in ANY circumstances. In fact, I would be downright dogmatic and say it is NOT.

[IWasThere2016]

.. I was also thinking about things like racism that was considered so acceptable 30 years ago it was broadcast at prime time on the bbc but would never be tolerated now.


Yup. Like the B+W Minstrel Show. :rolleyes:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/daily-mail-perfected-201103103615?Itemid=81&id=3615&option=com_content&task=view

[jodjam]

Had a tour earlier in week all round the highlands. The guests were in awe at the lovely scenery until we passed saviles old pad. Covered in graffiti. Probably best to knock the place down.

[--------]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/daily-mail-perfected-201103103615?Itemid=81&id=3615&option=com_content&task=view

Personally, I could never see what anyone could object to about the Black and White Minstrels ....


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRT172L2vGmdNVo_k3pB0dksOQA5J7Yy 5eu2SgEiNFE-r4zsTnP1w

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zjU3znzppIo/S4-3rgl2GOI/AAAAAAAAAoE/tPF9dbu1FnA/s320/_1068743_minstrels300.jpg

[IWasThere2016]

Personally, I could never see what anyone could object to about the Black and White Minstrels ....

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRT172L2vGmdNVo_k3pB0dksOQA5J7Yy 5eu2SgEiNFE-r4zsTnP1w

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zjU3znzppIo/S4-3rgl2GOI/AAAAAAAAAoE/tPF9dbu1FnA/s320/_1068743_minstrels300.jpg

:greengrin

[--------]

:greengrin


My whole family thought they were WONDERFUL. :rolleyes:

[YehButNoBut]

Savile's Highland cottage has sold for more than twice it's asking price which was £100k, sold for £212k, some thought it would not sell at all.

It's believed the winning bid came from a mountaineering group keen to secure it for use as a base for climbs

http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/jimmy-savile-glencoe-cottage-sells-for-212-000-1-2950418

A HIGHLAND cottage owned by Jimmy Savile has sold for more than twice its guide price after a dramatic bidding war.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Did anyone listen to the Jeremy Vine show yesterday, there was a couple of women on who were saying it is wrong to be prosecuting all these celebrities for doing what was the accepted norm at the time. They were saying it was wrong to be judging people by today's standards, obviously they were referring to the less serious cases

If this thing keeps going, I can think of plenty of guys that were around when I was growing up, who should worry.

They were minor celebrities in their own communities. Personally, I thought there was something far wrong with a 28 year old musician sleeping with 15 year old girls - the girls didn't seem to bother though.

I think it has to be acknowledged that there are some youngsters who, mentally, reach the age of consent before others. It is important to look at all cases on their merits.

I am not saying that the law should be ignored, just that not every underage relationship is necessarily an abusive one. In the same way, not every relationship after the age of consent does not involve coercion and abuse.

I feel these grey areas are the things that it is hardest to deal with. That said, the law was the law then, it's a fact that most men were not confused by it at all.

In a spectacular Volte Face, I will now contradict myself, and call for the return of the death penalty for these offences. It's hard enough being 15 trying to get a girlfriend, without some flash get with a Fender Stratocaster and physical likeness to Les McKeown ( it wasn't him btw, just a small town nobody), getting off with anyone he fancied.

East Lothian folk ken whit wis goin oan.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I doubt its grey areas that are causing concerns in these situations! :-o

[Scouse Hibee]

If this thing keeps going, I can think of plenty of guys that were around when I was growing up, who should worry.

They were minor celebrities in their own communities. Personally, I thought there was something far wrong with a 28 year old musician sleeping with 15 year old girls - the girls didn't seem to bother though.

I think it has to be acknowledged that there are some youngsters who, mentally, reach the age of consent before others. It is important to look at all cases on their merits.

I am not saying that the law should be ignored, just that not every underage relationship is necessarily an abusive one. In the same way, not every relationship after the age of consent does not involve coercion and abuse.

I feel these grey areas are the things that it is hardest to deal with. That said, the law was the law then, it's a fact that most men were not confused by it at all.

In a spectacular Volte Face, I will now contradict myself, and call for the return of the death penalty for these offences. It's hard enough being 15 trying to get a girlfriend, without some flash get with a Fender Stratocaster and physical likeness to Les McKeown ( it wasn't him btw, just a small town nobody), getting off with anyone he fancied.

East Lothian folk ken whit wis goin oan.


A mental age of consent! That's a good one open to all sorts of interpretation.

[Big Ed]

A mental age of consent! That's a good one open to all sorts of interpretation.

I think FR may have a valid point, but how could a mental age of consent be measured?

It would be a defence lawyer's dream come true.

[stoneyburn hibs]

I think FR may have a valid point, but how could a mental age of consent be measured?

It would be a defence lawyer's dream come true.

Or a paedo's wet dream come true.

[.Sean.]

If this thing keeps going, I can think of plenty of guys that were around when I was growing up, who should worry.

They were minor celebrities in their own communities. Personally, I thought there was something far wrong with a 28 year old musician sleeping with 15 year old girls - the girls didn't seem to bother though.

I think it has to be acknowledged that there are some youngsters who, mentally, reach the age of consent before others. It is important to look at all cases on their merits.

I am not saying that the law should be ignored, just that not every underage relationship is necessarily an abusive one. In the same way, not every relationship after the age of consent does not involve coercion and abuse.

I feel these grey areas are the things that it is hardest to deal with. That said, the law was the law then, it's a fact that most men were not confused by it at all.

In a spectacular Volte Face, I will now contradict myself, and call for the return of the death penalty for these offences. It's hard enough being 15 trying to get a girlfriend, without some flash get with a Fender Stratocaster and physical likeness to Les McKeown ( it wasn't him btw, just a small town nobody), getting off with anyone he fancied.

East Lothian folk ken whit wis goin oan.
I've been racking my brains over this and I can't think of who you're referring to? :confused:

[YehButNoBut]

2 others at it, surprised at the Lost Prophets front man but Corrie seems full of them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lostprophets-singer-ian-watkins-denies-child-rape-charges-8642515.html (https://amsprd0710.outlook.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=Ph6Vym7qwEqrFwxlAxnmGH-QFNs6NNAI0DHX42fXCMYHmdo0rG1rhujshBXORpPST-rdix37Rks.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.independent.co.uk%2fnews%2*** %2fcrime%2flostprophets-singer-ian-watkins-denies-child-rape-charges-8642515.html)

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/former-coronation-street-actor-andrew-1928688?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (https://amsprd0710.outlook.com/owa/redir.aspx?C=Ph6Vym7qwEqrFwxlAxnmGH-QFNs6NNAI0DHX42fXCMYHmdo0rG1rhujshBXORpPST-rdix37Rks.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.dailyrecord.co.uk%2fnews%2***-world-news%2fformer-coronation-street-actor-andrew-1928688%3futm_source%3dtwitterfeed%26utm_medium%3d twitter)

[cabbageandribs1875]

William Roache(ken barlow)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22806885





Coronation Street actor William Roache has been charged with five counts of indecent assault involving four girls aged between 12 and 16 in the 1960s.

[jodjam]

I think Deirdre will be getting a new love interest soon

[Phil D. Rolls]

I have just remembered an event in 1986. I worked opposite Standard Life in George Street. It was during the Commonwealth Games.

Jimmy Saville and Geoff Capes must have been doing a promo in there. Anyway they were standing chatting outside, when who should walk along the road but Rolf Harris!

They stood and chatted for a while, shook hands and went on their way. At the time all very innocent, now a bit more sinister.

What was the link between those three, and what was Standard Life's involvement? We're they harbouring more sexual predators? Are they still with the company, and are their victims willing to come forward?

It's the sort of story that could keep financial mismanagement and the damage to the economy off the news for months!

[cabbageandribs1875]

and off to jail he goes


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22932222


BBC Broadcaster Stuart Hall has been sentenced to 15 months in jail for sexually abusing under age girls.
Hall, 83, of Wilmslow, Cheshire, admitted 14 offences that occurred between 1967 and 1985.

[heretoday]

Dirty old sod. There must be loads of other cases of TV and Radio types taking advantage of their elevated status.

So many star-struck teenagers. So many opportunities.

[Jonnyboy]

A month for each offence and one for luck? ****in disgrace that the sentence isn't a lot longer - his age is immaterial. Apparently his legal team asked the judge to take pity on him. What, like he took pity on his victims?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Dirty old sod. There must be loads of other cases of TV and Radio types taking advantage of their elevated status.

So many star-struck teenagers. So many opportunities.

One of the lassies was 8 years old, deserves a bit longer for that one admission on its own.

[lord bunberry]

A month for each offence and one for luck? ****in disgrace that the sentence isn't a lot longer - his age is immaterial. Apparently his legal team asked the judge to take pity on him. What, like he took pity on his victims?

One thing that needs to be remembered here is that the guilty party can only receive the maximum sentence that he could have got at the time the crime was committed, even if it has doubled or more now. I'm not sure if that has any relevence on how hall was sentenced but it does seem remarkably lenient.

[Beefster]

I have just remembered an event in 1986. I worked opposite Standard Life in George Street. It was during the Commonwealth Games.

Jimmy Saville and Geoff Capes must have been doing a promo in there. Anyway they were standing chatting outside, when who should walk along the road but Rolf Harris!

They stood and chatted for a while, shook hands and went on their way. At the time all very innocent, now a bit more sinister.

What was the link between those three, and what was Standard Life's involvement? We're they harbouring more sexual predators? Are they still with the company, and are their victims willing to come forward?

It's the sort of story that could keep financial mismanagement and the damage to the economy off the news for months!

Bizarre.


A month for each offence and one for luck? ****in disgrace that the sentence isn't a lot longer - his age is immaterial. Apparently his legal team asked the judge to take pity on him. What, like he took pity on his victims?

Apparently the authorities are to appeal the sentence for being unduly lenient. Quite right too.

Hall's solicitor asked for leniency because he only had 'all of thirteen' victims.

[Scouse Hibee]

One thing that needs to be remembered here is that the guilty party can only receive the maximum sentence that he could have got at the time the crime was committed, even if it has doubled or more now. I'm not sure if that has any relevence on how hall was sentenced but it does seem remarkably lenient.


:agree: What a farce of a ruling that is unless..........................there can one of these deviants found guilty of a crime that would have resulted in the death penalty when it was committed. :greengrin

[lord bunberry]

:agree: What a farce of a ruling that is unless..........................there can one of these deviants found guilty of a crime that would have resulted in the death penalty when it was committed. :greengrin

That's a very good point, I wonder what would happen in that situation.

[Hibrandenburg]

Whilst I find the sentence laughable, I think you have to see things rationally. If you were caught doing 53 in a zone that had a 50mph limit 25 years ago, then you should not be punished more severely now because that zone has since been reduced to a 30mph zone.

[Beefster]

Whilst I find the sentence laughable, I think you have to see things rationally. If you were caught doing 53 in a zone that had a 50mph limit 25 years ago, then you should not be punished more severely now because that zone has since been reduced to a 30mph zone.

Has the law changed since Hall was abusing youngsters?

[500miles]

How long ago was it that the age of consent was raised to 16? Was it not 13 prior to world war 2?

There is some merit in saying that the age of consent is a bit of a catch-all. Some folk are capable a full relationship before the age of sixteen. I know guys nearing their fifties that are sexually irresponsible and emotionally destructive.

A lot of people don't like the idea of kids losing their innocence, but that is a bit of a hangover from religious connection between sex and guilt. We teach kids about sex at the age of 9/10, and then expect them not to want to try it for another 5 or 6 years. Let's not kid ourselves on, it's the best fun you can have, and most satisfying thing you can do on any given day. There are many countries where the age of consent is lower than sixteen - doesn't mean the country is a beast's paradise.

However, a lot of the guys in these stories are PREDATORS. They engage young girls - and some boys too probably - and coerce them, when the are at an age where it is uncommon for them to be self assured and are easily swayed. This is the issue.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I've been racking my brains over this and I can't think of who you're referring to? :confused:

I'm not going to name names.

[heretoday]

I have just remembered an event in 1986. I worked opposite Standard Life in George Street. It was during the Commonwealth Games.

Jimmy Saville and Geoff Capes must have been doing a promo in there. Anyway they were standing chatting outside, when who should walk along the road but Rolf Harris!

They stood and chatted for a while, shook hands and went on their way. At the time all very innocent, now a bit more sinister.

What was the link between those three, and what was Standard Life's involvement? We're they harbouring more sexual predators? Are they still with the company, and are their victims willing to come forward?

It's the sort of story that could keep financial mismanagement and the damage to the economy off the news for months!

Geoff Capes? Blimey! Whatever happened to him? He was good at Putting the Shot but he was thick as two short planks.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Geoff Capes? Blimey! Whatever happened to him? He was good at Putting the Shot but he was thick as two short planks.

Last time I saw him, I think he was on an advert with Churchill. Doesn't make him a bad man. :greengrin

I just can't understand why Bill Wynan hasn't had his collar felt yet.

[lapsedhibee]

I just can't understand why Bill Wynan hasn't had his collar felt yet.

Perhaps changing his name will have outwitted Plod.

[discman]

Bizarre.



Apparently the authorities are to appeal the sentence for being unduly lenient. Quite right too.

Hall's solicitor asked for leniency because he only had 'all of thirteen' victims.


...........that we know of.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Perhaps changing his name will have outwitted Plod.

Or his victims. Keeping his head down these days. Said it before, but Keef drops heavy hints in his book about what Wyman got up to on tour.

[greenlex]

Whilst I find the sentence laughable, I think you have to see things rationally. If you were caught doing 53 in a zone that had a 50mph limit 25 years ago, then you should not be punished more severely now because that zone has since been reduced to a 30mph zone.
I was listening to a gadgie on the radio who put it this way.
Imagine you stood on every crack in the pavement and it carries a £60 fine. In ten years time a law is passed that the penalty for doing such a thing is death by hanging. You havent been caught ten years previous but are found guilty after the sentence was changed. Would you expect to be hanged 10 years later? The sentence should act as a deterent.

[greenlex]

Has the law changed since Hall was abusing youngsters?

No but the sentenciing has. see post above.

[Scouse Hibee]

It's a long story but Stuart Hall has been on my Dad's wanted list ever since he ripped him off by not paying for a rather large amount of steak (Dad is a retired butcher) some 30 odd years ago. Every time he saw him on the TV he called him that robbing barsteward, he should do more time than he's been sentence for that alone. :greengrin

[heretoday]

Or his victims. Keeping his head down these days. Said it before, but Keef drops heavy hints in his book about what Wyman got up to on tour.

There's probably dozens of pop stars from the 60s with guilty consciences.

Remember the hit Good Morning Little Schoolgirl? Yeah, well. That was the general attitude in those days.

[Phil D. Rolls]

There's probably dozens of pop stars from the 60s with guilty consciences.

Remember the hit Good Morning Little Schoolgirl? Yeah, well. That was the general attitude in those days.

Or was it? I'm guessing most would give under agers the swerve, whilst being in a band would have been a perfect cover for a nonce.

It's controversial though, how do you measure the maturity of the girl retrospectively? A very difficult area, and in the current climate - you're right loads should be worried.

Meanwhile in the middle of this stuff, Britains teenage pregnancy rate goes unnoticed. It's a strange world.

[heretoday]

Or was it? I'm guessing most would give under agers the swerve, whilst being in a band would have been a perfect cover for a nonce.

It's controversial though, how do you measure the maturity of the girl retrospectively? A very difficult area, and in the current climate - you're right loads should be worried.

Meanwhile in the middle of this stuff, Britains teenage pregnancy rate goes unnoticed. It's a strange world.

Yes we don't seem to learn anything from the Dutch and Scandas about sex education. It's a pathetic, ignorant situation in the UK regarding that.

Our whole attitude to sex is a smutty, smirking Carry On film kind of thing based on fear and embarrassment. We should be worrying less about sex and more about other things.

[RyeSloan]

Meanwhile in the middle of this stuff, Britains teenage pregnancy rate goes unnoticed. It's a strange world.

The UK teenage pregnancy rate has been falling for some time and is now at multi decade lows.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23271739


The sentence given to BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall for convictions for sexual abuse will be reviewed following complaints he "got off lightly".


The Attorney General Dominic Grieve has referred the sentence to the Court of Appeal for review.


good chance his sentence will get increased :agree:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Quite right too!

[jodjam]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23271739


The sentence given to BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall for convictions for sexual abuse will be reviewed following complaints he "got off lightly".


The Attorney General Dominic Grieve has referred the sentence to the Court of Appeal for review.


good chance his sentence will get increased :agree:

Attorney general playing his joker

[(((Fergus)))]

Attorney general playing his joker

:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Attorney general playing his joker


:)


and there's more


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23314341

Police are investigating further allegations against ex-BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall, who was jailed last month for sexually abusing girls.

[cabbageandribs1875]

sentence doubled

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23460778


Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge said his original term had been "unduly lenient" and the impact on Hall's victims had been lifelong.

[(((Fergus)))]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjy8oLVOvi4


John Lydon talks about Jimmy Savile and his 'seediness' during an interview recorded for BBC radio in late 1978, this excerpt was not broadcast but has just been made available as part of the reissue of the first PIL album.

[EuanH78]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjy8oLVOvi4

I see your John Lydon and raise you Jerry Sadowitz from 1988 (listen to audio clip, sweary words alert)

http://www.hmsfriday.com/2012/10/12/jerry-sadowitz-on-jimmy-savile-back-in-1988/

[steakbake]

Dear Jim, please could you fix it for me to read a transcript of a police interview in 2009 in which the allegations were specifically put to you?

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/176323524