Muslim players to boycott Wonga shirts?

[Hibbyradge]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastles-muslim-stars-told-dont-play-in-new-wonga-tops-8204411.html

[Wilson]

Lets face it it is any excuse.

Gotta give up eating for a bit. I'm away to marry a 17 year old. The shirt sponsor is against my beliefs.

Workshy is what they are.

[Hibbyradge]

Lets face it it is any excuse.

Gotta give up eating for a bit. I'm away to marry a 17 year old. The shirt sponsor is against my beliefs.

Workshy is what they are.

:rolleyes: .

[H18sry]

How come Medhi Taouil at the Yam Fuds wears it without any problems then?:confused:

[Sylar]

Why was this not also an issue last season when they were sponsored by Northern Rock?

They also offer loans and savings whereby customers can benefit from or pay interest.

[Phil D. Rolls]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastles-muslim-stars-told-dont-play-in-new-wonga-tops-8204411.html

Players should be allowed to opt out of anything they are not comfortable with.


Lets face it it is any excuse.

Gotta give up eating for a bit. I'm away to marry a 17 year old. The shirt sponsor is against my beliefs.

Workshy is what they are.

Loving your stuff! :faf:

[Onceinawhile]

I'm sure Freddy kanoute refused to wear a gambling sponsor at one of his clubs. Think it was 888.com

[TamHibs]

I'm sure Freddy kanoute refused to wear a gambling sponsor at one of his clubs. Think it was 888.com

Indeed, when Sevilla were sponsored by them.

[Gatecrasher]

Why was this not also an issue last season when they were sponsored by Northern Rock?

They also offer loans and savings whereby customers can benefit from or pay interest.
:agree:
There also happy to be paid a lot of money for what they do but not wear a a logo for the company that helps finance this.

[Scouse Hibee]

Hmmmm Wonga or Islam? I know which one I prefer.

How do these Muslim players feel about playing in the Barclays premiership.

[heretoday]

I must admit I was never comfortable wearing a P&D Windows shirt.

[steakbake]

How come Medhi Taouil at the Yam Fuds wears it without any problems then?:confused:

What's to say he's a Muslim? And even if he is, it may be he's either not particularly fastidious in his beliefs as far as this issue goes.

In answer to the point about the Barclays Premier League: Barclays do banking products for Muslims as do HSBC and some others.

The issue here is al riba: usury - the practice of lending money for punitive rates of interest. It's a principled stance but I'd be interested to know how many of the players do abide by the practice of zakat: giving a percentage of their earnings to charity. I'm sure a fair number do.

Anyway, interesting when it comes to Wonga vs Muslim players, some folk have less of a problem with the scheisters that can charge up to 4214% interest for people who can least afford to pay it.

[Speedy]

What's to say he's a Muslim? And even if he is, it may be he's either not particularly fastidious in his beliefs as far as this issue goes.

In answer to the point about the Barclays Premier League: Barclays do banking products for Muslims as do HSBC and some others.

The issue here is al riba: usury - the practice of lending money for punitive rates of interest. It's a principled stance but I'd be interested to know how many of the players do abide by the practice of zakat: giving a percentage of their earnings to charity. I'm sure a fair number do.

Anyway, interesting when it comes to Wonga vs Muslim players, some folk have less of a problem with the scheisters that can charge up to 4214% interest for people who can least afford to pay it.

I can't speak for everyone but I don't think that is the issue.

What I would ask is why religious people are allowed to have strong personal beliefs but non-religious people aren't?

If a non-religious player refused to wear a sponsor's label because they personally believed it to be immoral, what is the likely answer they would get?

[DarrenSQH]

Dont have a problem for players sticking up for their beliefs. Bit like the Scotland rugby player that wont play on sundays.

[Twa Cairpets]

Dont have a problem for players sticking up for their beliefs. Bit like the Scotland rugby player that wont play on sundays.
Neither do I, but at the risk of a bit of a thread hijack, does anyone else have a bit of a wry smile at the thought that the devout christian rugby player would happily wear a Wonga top to play against the devout muslim wearing a plain top on a Saturday. Must be a bugger to know there is at best a 50/50 chance that one of them is following the wrong action in terms of displeasing God.

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Neither do I, but at the risk of a bit of a thread hijack, does anyone else have a bit of a wry smile at the thought that the devout christian rugby player would happily wear a Wonga top to play against the devout muslim wearing a plain top on a Saturday. Must be a bugger to know there is at best a 50/50 chance that one of them is following the wrong action in terms of displeasing God.


Are Wonga the SRU shirt sponsors? Thought it was "Murray" on the front of the shirts. :confused:

Mind you, RBS are no angels.

Checked the website - no Wonga I can see. Why would you think Euan Murray wouldn't have the same attitude to Wonga as the Newcastle players?

There are strict laws against lending at interest in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, and the reason Christ drove the money-changers out of the temple precincts was because they were taking advantage of the poor.

Leviticus 25:35-37 - "If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so that they can continue to live among you. Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. You must not lend them money at interest or sell them food at a profit."

The Wonga adverts must be just about the most irritating on TV right now.

[LeighLoyal]

The refusal to indulge in banking with interest payment is another reason Muslim society's are so backward and stagnant. Just because Mohammed took credit from Jews in Medina to finance his escape from Mecca, where he was at risk of being assasinated, and then didn't like paying them back - especially when they labelled him a false prophet. :greengrin Nutters.

[Killiehibbie]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastles-muslim-stars-told-dont-play-in-new-wonga-tops-8204411.html
This means that earning interest is not allowed. To comply, interest is not paid on Islamic savings or current accounts or applied to Islamic mortgages.


How do we get one of these mortgages?

I'm surprised muslim players play where any kind of sponsorship given the amount of taboo companies involved.

[steakbake]

This means that earning interest is not allowed. To comply, interest is not paid on Islamic savings or current accounts or applied to Islamic mortgages.


How do we get one of these mortgages?

I'm surprised muslim players where any kind of sponsorship given the amount of taboo companies involved.

Seriously?

I think Wonga is the only one they've had problems with so far and I think their objections are being raised shall we say, selectively, with other issues in mind. It's not as if the fans in general are happy with it.

Islamic mortgage - It's not exactly like an interest free mortgage: like your mortgage without the interest. You'll need at least a 20% deposit and be happy with the bank actually owning the deeds to your property while you pay them a rent based on a future value. There's no home loans (interest bearing) so you can forget doing it up and paying it off with the mortgage. The deeds are in the name of the bank - it's not yours as it is with an interest paying mortgage.

Also, because the bank owns the home from the outset, you pay stamp duty to cover the bank's costs when you (via the bank) initially buy it, then you pay stamp duty again when the agreement is complete and the bank signs the home back to you. The monthly payments tend to be more than an interest paying mortgage. Many ordinary working people find it too expensive and they go with standard mortgages anyway.

Sake man, some folk are desperate to feel aggrieved.

[Killiehibbie]

Seriously?

I think Wonga is the only one they've had problems with so far and I think their objections are being raised shall we say, selectively, with other issues in mind. It's not as if the fans in general are happy with it.

Islamic mortgage - It's not exactly like an interest free mortgage: like your mortgage without the interest. You'll need at least a 20% deposit and be happy with the bank actually owning the deeds to your property while you pay them a rent based on a future value. There's no home loans (interest bearing) so you can forget doing it up and paying it off with the mortgage. The deeds are in the name of the bank - it's not yours as it is with an interest paying mortgage.

Also, because the bank owns the home from the outset, you pay stamp duty to cover the bank's costs when you (via the bank) initially buy it, then you pay stamp duty again when the agreement is complete and the bank signs the home back to you. The monthly payments tend to be more than an interest paying mortgage. Many ordinary working people find it too expensive and they go with standard mortgages anyway.

Sake man, some folk are desperate to feel aggrieved.Seriously? Not really.

Islamic mortgage? Just because they don't call it interest doesn't mean it doesn't amount to the same thing or as you've said even more expensive.

Why stop at Wonga? All these companies that fall foul of their laws should be boycotted.

[steakbake]

Seriously? Not really.

Islamic mortgage? Just because they don't call it interest doesn't mean it doesn't amount to the same thing or as you've said even more expensive.

Why stop at Wonga? All these companies that fall foul of their laws should be boycotted.

If they like, but I reckon the wonga thing is about something else. Fans don't like it, so maybe some players can do something about it. If they really wanted they could insist on their image not being shown on tv or in pictures but why do that? They wouldn't be a football player unless they'd been aware that would be necessary.

I'd rather have my standard mortgage than an Islamic approved one. Interest free or not, given the choice most can't afford the shariah one.

Apologies if I picked up on the spirit of your post wrongly. Just find a lot of folk are keen to have a go about Muslims without really knowing what they should be moaning about.

[Killiehibbie]

If they like, but I reckon the wonga thing is about something else. Fans don't like it, so maybe some players can do something about it.

I'd rather have a standard mortgage than an Islamic approved one. Interest free or not, given the choice most can't afford the shariah one. Principles usually cost money.Why hide behind religion? Just come out and say i'm having nothing to do with these loansharks who should be shut down and certainly not being given a bigger platform to promote their dodgy business. I suppose it might deprive him of his big pay packet that these loansharks contribute to.

[steakbake]

Why hide behind religion? Just come out and say i'm having nothing to do with these loansharks who should be shut down and certainly not being given a bigger platform to promote their dodgy business. I suppose it might deprive him of his big pay packet that these loansharks contribute to.

Maybe their objections based on political/ethical reasons weren't being listened to? Next stop: nvoking the rules of faith. I agree, it's a bit cynical but if it works...

[RyeSloan]

Why hide behind religion? Just come out and say i'm having nothing to do with these loansharks who should be shut down and certainly not being given a bigger platform to promote their dodgy business. I suppose it might deprive him of his big pay packet that these loansharks contribute to.

Indeed. Selective to say the least.

Of course once the Wonga loansharks are shut down the traditional loansharks will happily come back to the fore, friendly and Islamic loving bunch that they are :wink:

[steakbake]

I suppose they should just leave it. It's not worth having any principles unless you're willing to go all the way and see the world totally in black and white... which is a criticism most have about the apparent lack of "moderate " Islam.

If they were fundamental about their faith, they wouldn't be premier league football players.

[Gatecrasher]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19899967

i agree with the general point this guy is making but we live in a free society in which people choose to use companies like wonga to the extent they can afford to sponsor NUFC and IMO that's the world we live in, I personally would never use this company or one like this but the choice is there to do so.

[easty]

we live in a free society in which people choose to use companies like wonga to the extent they can afford to sponsor NUFC and IMO that's the world we live in, I personally would never use this company or one like this but the choice is there to do so.

Exactly. In a capitalist society is it really that wrong to offer loans at ridiculously high interest rates? They're not being forced on anyone. Are the people who run companies like Wonga more 'evil' than, say, those who run the energy provider companies? Where we are pretty much without choice but to pay ridiculously high amounts to power and heat our homes. :hijack:

[Speedy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19899967

i agree with the general point this guy is making but we live in a free society in which people choose to use companies like wonga to the extent they can afford to sponsor NUFC and IMO that's the world we live in, I personally would never use this company or one like this but the choice is there to do so.

He states that if 4 Muslim players refused to wear the sponsorship then there would still be 7 players wearing it, why are they not allowed to refuse?

This is one thing that annoys me about religion, people's believes are given credit purely because they are backed by a large group of people who base their believes on fictitious nonsense.

[Sylar]

He states that if 4 Muslim players refused to wear the sponsorship then there would still be 7 players wearing it, why are they not allowed to refuse?

This is one thing that annoys me about religion, people's believes are given credit purely because they are backed by a large group of people who base their believes on fictitious nonsense.

I'm going to guess at 5 pages and a ban for someone :greengrin

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I'm going to guess at 5 pages and a ban for someone :greengrin


Ah, but how many posts to the page?

[Pete]

Exactly. In a capitalist society is it really that wrong to offer loans at ridiculously high interest rates? They're not being forced on anyone. Are the people who run companies like Wonga more 'evil' than, say, those who run the energy provider companies? Where we are pretty much without choice but to pay ridiculously high amounts to power and heat our homes. :hijack:

I think this "capitalist society" we live in, along with all the benefit cuts, are actually forcing people into taking loans like this to pay bills and put food on the table.
All they are doing is providing a rung which is one above that of a loan shark.

edit: totally agree regarding power companies. It's the same as fuel prices...we've no choice and seem willing to take it up the rear without moaning so why should they lower their prices?

[Pete]

Lets face it it is any excuse.

Gotta give up eating for a bit. I'm away to marry a 17 year old. The shirt sponsor is against my beliefs.

Workshy is what they are.

We're not so different from our Hearts neighbours

The "Wonga shirts to boycott muslims" thread is worth a look.

[Speedy]

I'm going to guess at 5 pages and a ban for someone :greengrin

Unfortunately you may be right.

I wasn't trying to be controversial. If people want to follow a religion or use wongo for that matter then that's up to them, it's their life and their opinions and nobody should really care.

The point I was trying to make is that society is more accepting of a view based on religious beliefs than one, which may be more deserving, based on non religious moral beliefs. Logically this isn't fair.

[Twa Cairpets]

Are Wonga the SRU shirt sponsors? Thought it was "Murray" on the front of the shirts. :confused:

Mind you, RBS are no angels.

Checked the website - no Wonga I can see. Why would you think Euan Murray wouldn't have the same attitude to Wonga as the Newcastle players?

There are strict laws against lending at interest in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy, and the reason Christ drove the money-changers out of the temple precincts was because they were taking advantage of the poor.

Leviticus 25:35-37 - "If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so that they can continue to live among you. Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. You must not lend them money at interest or sell them food at a profit."

The Wonga adverts must be just about the most irritating on TV right now.

It was more of a "I imagine it wouldn't be a problem for them to wear Wonga/play on a certain day", rather than a literal statement.

PS - I thought the resurrection of Jesus freed us from the requirements of the OT, otherwise the old "mixed fabrics" argument is equally valid? Sorry Doddie, just can't help myself...

[VickMackie]

He states that if 4 Muslim players refused to wear the sponsorship then there would still be 7 players wearing it, why are they not allowed to refuse?

This is one thing that annoys me about religion, people's believes are given credit purely because they are backed by a large group of people who base their believes on fictitious nonsense.

:agree:

[Future17]

I suppose they should just leave it. It's not worth having any principles unless you're willing to go all the way and see the world totally in black and white... which is a criticism most have about the apparent lack of "moderate " Islam.

If they were fundamental about their faith, they wouldn't be premier league football players.

Which is why Newcastle should be the perfect club for them...

[Bishop Hibee]

He states that if 4 Muslim players refused to wear the sponsorship then there would still be 7 players wearing it, why are they not allowed to refuse?

This is one thing that annoys me about religion, people's believes are given credit purely because they are backed by a large group of people who base their believes on fictitious nonsense.

As opposed to believing we're here by cosmic chance?

Anyway, back on topic, I would say that Wonga are far worse than energy companies or RBS as they specifically target the poor and exploit them at excessive rates of interest. Companies such as Wonga should have the rate of interest they can charge capped.

Would the same Muslim players play with an alcohol sponsor on the strip? I think Benji and Zemamma played in Whyte and Mackay sponsored Hibs strips. If players have objections to sponsors then I've nothing against them complaining about it but as a poster wrote earlier would/should devout Muslims play in a bank sponsored league? Individual players would have different opinions no doubt.