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joe_hfc
21-08-2012, 01:07 AM
I know its early days, but I would just like to say how encouraged I am by our manager so far.

He inherited one of the most difficult jobs in Scottish football. One of the worst Hibs teams I have seen in my life with a massive confidence and moral problem to boot; little money, and a struggling league position. The fact that he kept us safe was impressive never mind reaching a Scottish Cup final last season. He exceeded expectations.

This season, surely our aim is to finish in a semi-respectable position. Again, he hasn't had millions to spend, but he has built, imo, a solid SPL team. Retaining the likes of McPake and Griffiths are evidently top class signings. Without counting my chickens, it seems that his others signings look very decent too. He has massively built on our team at a time when other SPL teams have gotten weaker.

His achievements have not only been on the transfer front as you have to admire his management philosophy. We have heard many managers say that we need to be tougher to beat, but they did f*** all about it except getting bus beaten more. Penlon, whether through himself or indirectly through signing better characters in the dressing room or his through his coaching shuffle, looks to have made our team give a ***** about the shirt, and about winning. It looks as though that there is a shift in mentality in ER, and this is evident by the shift in mentality of our fans in the stands, pubs, and message boards.

He looks to be frank and honest and has passion to burn. He listens to fans. And imo gets his game plan and substitutions right most of the time.

As I say, it's early days yet, but I am encouraged. I think we may have found ourselves the right man to take us forward. He's done more already and in more trying circumstances than the last 3 managers.

All up from here! :flag::flag::pfgwa:hibees:hibees

Ultrabee1-0
21-08-2012, 02:14 AM
Very good post! In paddy we trust

Onion
21-08-2012, 04:22 AM
Yip, in Fatty we trust :wink:

Lucius Apuleius
21-08-2012, 04:49 AM
God bless Fatty. :pfgwa

hibsbollah
21-08-2012, 04:52 AM
I agree. Three cheers for Pat Pending :agree:

WellingtonHibby
21-08-2012, 04:52 AM
Nae Collins six pack on that boy.

mcvie7
21-08-2012, 07:24 AM
I agree he's building a team that can realistically top 6 which I would take after last few years. I do think for us to be successful this season we really need to try and sign Leigh on a permanent basis.

dangermouse
21-08-2012, 07:33 AM
Why the derogatory name in the title? :confused:

Chuck Rhoades
21-08-2012, 07:33 AM
Faddy Penlon's!

Judas Iscariot
21-08-2012, 07:33 AM
Faddy Penlon's White & Green Regiment... :flag:

RoxburghHibs
21-08-2012, 07:46 AM
Why the derogatory name in the title? :confused:

Yeah that was my first reaction! Nothing fat about Pat :na na:

matty_f
21-08-2012, 07:58 AM
Think the names are a wee joke at predictive text's expense!

Lucius Apuleius
21-08-2012, 08:25 AM
Think the names are a wee joke at predictive text's expense!

Or thick, drink induced, fingers at 1 o'clock in the morning. :greengrin

Ozyhibby
21-08-2012, 09:00 AM
Far to early to say if he has turned things round. His record in the job is still atrocious. The performance against Dundee utd just two weeks ago would make your eyes bleed. He needs a consistent run of about ten games where we take 2 point out of 3 over the piece before we can say he has turned it round. Taking 4 point out of 6 over 2 games is no indication.
I'll be delighted of I'm wrong but I doubt he will last the season.
Sorry to be negative when everyone else is feeling positive but I don't rate him.

JIm
21-08-2012, 09:16 AM
Far to early to say if he has turned things round. His record in the job is still atrocious. The performance against Dundee utd just two weeks ago would make your eyes bleed. He needs a consistent run of about ten games where we take 2 point out of 3 over the piece before we can say he has turned it round. Taking 4 point out of 6 over 2 games is no indication.
I'll be delighted of I'm wrong but I doubt he will last the season.
Sorry to be negative when everyone else is feeling positive but I don't rate him.

Pretty much agree with this. Although what i saw on Saturday in the first half gave me some proper optimism for what lies ahead. If we can take the first half performance and replicate it for longer and on a more consistent basis then i will have been proved wrong. Another area of optimism was the togetherness and fight from the players evident in the second half when we took a bit of a pummelling.

Come on Paddy prove me wrong :flag:

joe_hfc
21-08-2012, 09:22 AM
Or thick, drink induced, fingers at 1 o'clock in the morning. :greengrin

Wan't 1am here in Australia :greengrin

:pfgwa

Lucius Apuleius
21-08-2012, 09:44 AM
Wan't 1am here in Australia :greengrin

:pfgwa

Toulouse in Australia? Or is that a self descriptor? :agree:

JimBHibees
21-08-2012, 10:06 AM
Far to early to say if he has turned things round. His record in the job is still atrocious. The performance against Dundee utd just two weeks ago would make your eyes bleed. He needs a consistent run of about ten games where we take 2 point out of 3 over the piece before we can say he has turned it round. Taking 4 point out of 6 over 2 games is no indication.
I'll be delighted of I'm wrong but I doubt he will last the season.
Sorry to be negative when everyone else is feeling positive but I don't rate him.

Incredibly negative post given the performance in the last two games sounds like you are wishing him to fail so you can say you didnt rate him all along. I think his record at his previous clubs are very good and he needs to be given decent time to get it right. His signings have to me shown he knows exactly what is required to turn the club and the team around. How anyone can't see the improvement in the last 2 games when one or two signings have started to settle is beyond me to be honest.

I see you have concentrated on the United game which was awful how about the battling performance against Hearts when we were written off or the excellent 3 points v a decent St Mirren side. Bottom line is he kept us up, got us to a Scottish cup final for the first time in 11 years and is now IMO signing the right sort of players which are starting to improve the team.

matty_f
21-08-2012, 10:14 AM
Incredibly negative post given the performance in the last two games sounds like you are wishing him to fail so you can say you didnt rate him all along. I think his record at his previous clubs are very good and he needs to be given decent time to get it right. His signings have to me shown he knows exactly what is required to turn the club and the team around. How anyone can't see the improvement in the last 2 games when one or two signings have started to settle is beyond me to be honest.

I see you have concentrated on the United game which was awful how about the battling performance against Hearts when we were written off or the excellent 3 points v a decent St Mirren side. Bottom line is he kept us up, got us to a Scottish cup final for the first time in 11 years and is now IMO signing the right sort of players which are starting to improve the team.

Good post Jim. The disastrous cup final result did more damage to Pat than if he'd had us knocked out at an earlier round, which is ironic, but understandable given just how bad that day was.

He had no money really in which to bring players in last January, at least not significant amounts but he kept us up despite some bad luck along the way - specifically things like pens not given for us, pens given against us that weren't, Sparky deciding to gesture a few times so missing matches because of that, O'Connor's injury/fitness/off field issues... Pat certainly never had s troubles to seek last season.

This window he appears to have brought some much needed experience and character to the squad and early signs are that there is a better balance about the team, and the effort and work rate certainly seems to give the impression that the players are playing for him.

It is early days, but I'm certainly more optimistic now than I was in the immediate aftermath of the Dundee United game.

jacomo
21-08-2012, 10:14 AM
Come on Paddy prove me wrong :flag:

and me!

chriswood1401
21-08-2012, 11:03 AM
I remember when we were first quoted as being interested in Fenlon after CC left and being disappointed, mainly because at the time I was holding out all hope for Michael O'Neill.

Then I done a bit of research. Watched a few post match interviews of him with Bohs and done a bit of reading on wikipedia. Was struck by his approach, no nonsense, says exactly what he means without any of the all too common gibberish that managers use. That, plus his track record and I was feeling feeling quite a bit better about the possibility of him taking over. I never subscribed to the 'aye he's done well, but it was in Ireland' mentality that some people did. I've always felt that if you have a winning mentality and you are given the right support, it makes no difference what level you're at, you'll be successful.

A few more interviews were watched, listened to some of his former players talking about him, and they emphasised his approach to the game, and more importantly, the fact that he took no shuck from the players, something that we were crying out for at Hibs.

I remember the night before he was announced, me and my Dad saying that finally, THIS could be the guy that turns it around, that gets rid of the dead weight and the loser mentality that has hung around us for way too long. The guy that would command respect among the players, the guy that would unite the crowd, the guy that would lead us out of the mess that we were in.

Nothing that has happened since PF was appointed has changed that. Yes, on an overall picture results have not been amazing, but I think that the scale of the job he had has proven to be bigger than any of us expected. As far last season was concerned, the job was to stay up. Mission achieved. The cup final was a bonus, albeit a very disappointing one, but hey, if Fenlon could get us to Hampden with that squad, what could he do with his own players?

Summer has come and gone, and whilst Tannadice was horrific, the last two games have shown a change in mentality, a togetherness in the team that I haven't seen in a long time. This season may ultimately turn out to be another damp squib, with us languishing in the lower reaches of the SPL, but I think, now more than ever, we need to get right behind our manager and give him the time he needs to stamp his mark on our club. Do this, and I'm still absolutely convinced that Fenlon will have us up there, where we deserve to be, challenging for silverware. It may take a couple of years at least, but it will happen.

VickMackie
21-08-2012, 11:09 AM
If Pat can change the culture at the club and put us on a solid footing, even without a great deal of success, it will stand us in good stead for years to come. Possibly even after he's gone.

This is what we need right now. If it doesn't work out for him in the next 2-3 seasons but we shake the soft touch culture at the club his time will probably still be viewed as a success IMO.

JimBHibees
21-08-2012, 11:20 AM
I remember when we were first quoted as being interested in Fenlon after CC left and being disappointed, mainly because at the time I was holding out all hope for Michael O'Neill.

Then I done a bit of research. Watched a few post match interviews of him with Bohs and done a bit of reading on wikipedia. Was struck by his approach, no nonsense, says exactly what he means without any of the all too common gibberish that managers use. That, plus his track record and I was feeling feeling quite a bit better about the possibility of him taking over. I never subscribed to the 'aye he's done well, but it was in Ireland' mentality that some people did. I've always felt that if you have a winning mentality and you are given the right support, it makes no difference what level you're at, you'll be successful.

A few more interviews were watched, listened to some of his former players talking about him, and they emphasised his approach to the game, and more importantly, the fact that he took no shuck from the players, something that we were crying out for at Hibs.

I remember the night before he was announced, me and my Dad saying that finally, THIS could be the guy that turns it around, that gets rid of the dead weight and the loser mentality that has hung around us for way too long. The guy that would command respect among the players, the guy that would unite the crowd, the guy that would lead us out of the mess that we were in.

Nothing that has happened since PF was appointed has changed that. Yes, on an overall picture results have not been amazing, but I think that the scale of the job he had has proven to be bigger than any of us expected. As far last season was concerned, the job was to stay up. Mission achieved. The cup final was a bonus, albeit a very disappointing one, but hey, if Fenlon could get us to Hampden with that squad, what could he do with his own players?

Summer has come and gone, and whilst Tannadice was horrific, the last two games have shown a change in mentality, a togetherness in the team that I haven't seen in a long time. This season may ultimately turn out to be another damp squib, with us languishing in the lower reaches of the SPL, but I think, now more than ever, we need to get right behind our manager and give him the time he needs to stamp his mark on our club. Do this, and I'm still absolutely convinced that Fenlon will have us up there, where we deserve to be, challenging for silverware. It may take a couple of years at least, but it will happen.

Great post, agree with every word.

Hibs7
21-08-2012, 11:23 AM
He has admitted he got it wrong and has gone back to a 4-4-2 set up which suits the players,we have, this is a new team which is still settling in, something the jumbos used as an excuse for their display at ER, funny how our team has more changes but was not given the credit for the way we played, that is why the jumbos looked as bad, this team will get better as they play more together, PF is the man to get the best out of them and I think we will at least have a top 6 finish this season

Wotherspiniesta
21-08-2012, 11:26 AM
Far to early to say if he has turned things round. His record in the job is still atrocious. The performance against Dundee utd just two weeks ago would make your eyes bleed. He needs a consistent run of about ten games where we take 2 point out of 3 over the piece before we can say he has turned it round. Taking 4 point out of 6 over 2 games is no indication.
I'll be delighted of I'm wrong but I doubt he will last the season.
Sorry to be negative when everyone else is feeling positive but I don't rate him.

How can you say its too early to say we've turned it around when you were already having a go at him 29 days after he got the job?

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?223782-Pat-Fenlon&highlight=

Be honest, you've never even given him a chance.

Hibercelona
21-08-2012, 11:35 AM
Fenlon is showing small glimpses of what he's capable of as a manager.

Even if we don't finish in the top 6 this season, he should still be given more time as long as we continue to see small improvements here and there.

We need to understand that a complete U-Turn is going to take a fair bit of time and probably at least a couple of more transfer windows.

Improvements might seem slow, but they are improvements non the less. If we were to let him go this season because improvements aren't quick and dramatic enough, we'd just be going down the same route for the upteenth time.

CorrieHibs
21-08-2012, 12:06 PM
[edit (http://www.hibs.net/w/index.php?title=Pat_Fenlon&action=edit&section=10&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)] Manager

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League of Ireland (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland) (3): 2003 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2003_League_of_Ireland), 2004 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2004_League_of_Ireland), 2006 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2006_League_of_Ireland)
Runner-up

League Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland_Cup) (1): 2006 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2006_League_of_Ireland_Cup)
Setanta Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Setanta_Sports_Cup) (1): 2005 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2005_Setanta_Sports_Cup)

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League of Ireland (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland) (2): 2008 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2008_League_of_Ireland), 2009 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2009_League_of_Ireland)
FAI Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/FAI_Cup) (1): 2008
League Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland_Cup) (1): 2009
Setanta Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Setanta_Sports_Cup) (1): 2010
Runner-up

League of Ireland (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland) (1): 2010 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2010_League_of_Ireland)
Record in Ireland speaks for itself. Lets be honest the league of Ireland isn't any worse than ours excluding Celtic. Shamrock got to the group stages last season.

Hibercelona
21-08-2012, 12:21 PM
[edit (http://www.hibs.net/w/index.php?title=Pat_Fenlon&action=edit&section=10&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)] Manager

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League of Ireland (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland) (3): 2003 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2003_League_of_Ireland), 2004 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2004_League_of_Ireland), 2006 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2006_League_of_Ireland)
Runner-up

League Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland_Cup) (1): 2006 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2006_League_of_Ireland_Cup)
Setanta Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Setanta_Sports_Cup) (1): 2005 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2005_Setanta_Sports_Cup)

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League of Ireland (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland) (2): 2008 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2008_League_of_Ireland), 2009 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2009_League_of_Ireland)
FAI Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/FAI_Cup) (1): 2008
League Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland_Cup) (1): 2009
Setanta Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Setanta_Sports_Cup) (1): 2010
Runner-up

League of Ireland (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/League_of_Ireland) (1): 2010 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/2010_League_of_Ireland)
Record in Ireland speaks for itself. Lets be honest the league of Ireland isn't any worse than ours excluding Celtic. Shamrock got to the group stages last season.

I agree, I don't think they're much worse than us either, we've only ever really gotten more recognition because of 2 clubs (now 1)

Regardless, it shows that Fenlon is a manager with winning credentials. I personally believe we'll win silverware under Fenlon in due time.

Long Time Hibee
21-08-2012, 12:33 PM
I remember when we were first quoted as being interested in Fenlon after CC left and being disappointed, mainly because at the time I was holding out all hope for Michael O'Neill.

Then I done a bit of research. Watched a few post match interviews of him with Bohs and done a bit of reading on wikipedia. Was struck by his approach, no nonsense, says exactly what he means without any of the all too common gibberish that managers use. That, plus his track record and I was feeling feeling quite a bit better about the possibility of him taking over. I never subscribed to the 'aye he's done well, but it was in Ireland' mentality that some people did. I've always felt that if you have a winning mentality and you are given the right support, it makes no difference what level you're at, you'll be successful.

A few more interviews were watched, listened to some of his former players talking about him, and they emphasised his approach to the game, and more importantly, the fact that he took no shuck from the players, something that we were crying out for at Hibs.

I remember the night before he was announced, me and my Dad saying that finally, THIS could be the guy that turns it around, that gets rid of the dead weight and the loser mentality that has hung around us for way too long. The guy that would command respect among the players, the guy that would unite the crowd, the guy that would lead us out of the mess that we were in.

Nothing that has happened since PF was appointed has changed that. Yes, on an overall picture results have not been amazing, but I think that the scale of the job he had has proven to be bigger than any of us expected. As far last season was concerned, the job was to stay up. Mission achieved. The cup final was a bonus, albeit a very disappointing one, but hey, if Fenlon could get us to Hampden with that squad, what could he do with his own players?

Summer has come and gone, and whilst Tannadice was horrific, the last two games have shown a change in mentality, a togetherness in the team that I haven't seen in a long time. This season may ultimately turn out to be another damp squib, with us languishing in the lower reaches of the SPL, but I think, now more than ever, we need to get right behind our manager and give him the time he needs to stamp his mark on our club. Do this, and I'm still absolutely convinced that Fenlon will have us up there, where we deserve to be, challenging for silverware. It may take a couple of years at least, but it will happen.

Great post and bang on the money. I like him and think if he's given the correct support from the board and the fans, he will make us great again. :thumbsup:

Ozyhibby
21-08-2012, 12:35 PM
All I'm saying is wait and see before getting too excited.
When Pat arrived we had a defence that had been shipping a couple of goals a game for about two years. He did not manage to improve that despite making wholesale changes to the defensive line up.
So far this season we have managed to ship 5 goals in our first three games.
We still lack creativity going forward and our fitness looks poor compared to the teams around us. Thankfully Griffiths is on fire just now.
I really hope I'm wrong on this and I've been wrong on plenty before. I thought both Yogi and Collins (league cup aside) would be a success. Let's hope Pat makes me look a right muppet.

#FromTheCapital
21-08-2012, 12:37 PM
Have always liked Pat Fenlon as a person since he came to Easter Road, tells it as it is with no excuses.

Still not 100% convinced about his management although compared to recent managers we've had he's much better even if his record doesn't reflect that. The last 2 games have shown many signs of improvement so hopefully he builds on them. He certainly seems to have a clear vision of where hibs should be and the players he's brought in so far have started well.

Hopefully he will completely turn things around at Hibernian so that we're challenging up the top end of the league for europe, cups etc. And if he does he will imo go down as one of the great hibs managers of my time simply because of how ***** we have been for the last 4 years or so.


:pfgwa

Ozyhibby
21-08-2012, 12:41 PM
I agree, I don't think they're much worse than us either, we've only ever really gotten more recognition because of 2 clubs (now 1)

Regardless, it shows that Fenlon is a manager with winning credentials. I personally believe we'll win silverware under Fenlon in due time.

The league of Ireland has smaller crowds than our first division. It is a significantly poorer league than ours even excluding the old firm. You can find good youngsters playing in it but they move on very quickly if they are any good.
That's not to say that I think that managing in the league of Ireland is any easier than the SPL, just that the standard of football is nowhere near the SPL.
Hope your right about the silverware.

jacomo
21-08-2012, 12:42 PM
I think his record at his previous clubs are very good

Fair enough. But so far his results at Hibs have been worse than CC.

Let's hope we've turned the corner.

Steve20
21-08-2012, 12:45 PM
The results and performances since he took over have been awful. So let's not get carried away with the last two games just yet. If we continue to improve over the next month or so, then we can say Fenlon is heading in the right direction.

Stevie Reid
21-08-2012, 01:07 PM
Fair enough. But so far his results at Hibs have been worse than CC.

Let's hope we've turned the corner.

Calderwood left Hibs having won 12 out of 49 games, and lost 26 - win ratio of 24%, loss ratio of 53%.

Fenlon has managed Hibs for 31 games, winning 10 and losing 16 - win ratio of 32%, loss ratio of 51%.

It took Calderwood 37 games to reach 10 wins.

We still need to improve massively, but there has been more fight and football in Fenlon's Hibs team than there ever was under that idiot Calderwood.

Hibercelona
21-08-2012, 01:14 PM
The league of Ireland has smaller crowds than our first division. It is a significantly poorer league than ours even excluding the old firm. You can find good youngsters playing in it but they move on very quickly if they are any good.
That's not to say that I think that managing in the league of Ireland is any easier than the SPL, just that the standard of football is nowhere near the SPL.
Hope your right about the silverware.

What I mean is, the SPL wouldn't get anymore recognition than the IPL if it wasn't for the bigot bros.

There would be poorer caliber of player in the league and the crowds would inevitably drop over time, not leaving us that far in front of the Irish League.

Still, if I had the choice, neither of those 2 would be there to disgrace any of the Scottish leagues at any level.

Onion
21-08-2012, 01:42 PM
Think the names are a wee joke at predictive text's expense!

Nevertheless, we need a public apology on the website and full write up in the weedgie press denouncing this attack on the good name of our club. No one likes Fatty, but he don't care :wink:

Northernhibee
21-08-2012, 01:47 PM
Now we're finally seeing PF get his team in (Dundee United doesn't count - Deegan and Maybury have shown themselves to be a vital part of the squad) I like the direction we're taking - tough to break down and tough to beat. A decent spine in Williams, McPake, Deegan and Kuqi is a good step forward and the likes of Cairney, Maybury and Clancy are good, positive additions.

We're seeing the skeleton of a top side emerging.

Ozyhibby
21-08-2012, 02:48 PM
Now we're finally seeing PF get his team in (Dundee United doesn't count - Deegan and Maybury have shown themselves to be a vital part of the squad) I like the direction we're taking - tough to break down and tough to beat. A decent spine in Williams, McPake, Deegan and Kuqi is a good step forward and the likes of Cairney, Maybury and Clancy are good, positive additions.

We're seeing the skeleton of a top side emerging.

There is no evidence yet that we are tough to break down. We've conceded 5 goals in our first three games. That does not sound like a team that's tough to break down.
Just saying it won't make it so.

JimBHibees
21-08-2012, 03:10 PM
There is no evidence yet that we are tough to break down. We've conceded 5 goals in our first three games. That does not sound like a team that's tough to break down.
Just saying it won't make it so.

Last 2 games with our first choice defence we have been tough to break down hopefully that continues.

Sir David Gray
21-08-2012, 03:19 PM
There are small signs of progress there but that's all it is at the moment.

It will take a long time to get THAT match out of our systems and we're still a long way off from being where we should be in the SPL, i.e. a dominant side that other teams hate playing against and looking to finish in the top four of the league.

I said at the time of his appointment, and I have consistently repeated this any time a thread like this has come up since, that Pat Fenlon needed two years in the job before we could really judge him as Hibs manager.

Considering that he's not even had a year in charge yet, I still think it's very early days to be giving an opinion on him either way.

jamie-fairbairn
21-08-2012, 03:43 PM
I like Fenlon and have total faith in him. He brought in players on a temporary basis in January to keep us up which he succeeded in doing. He's installed a hard working attitude into the team and has signed players who want to play for us rather than players who just want to come along for the ride. He's met all his expectations so far and got to the scottish cup final with the worst hibs team i can recall in my 19 years on the planet. The spirit and togetherness and fight in the team now is so much better than in recent years. We are imo still needing another 3 or 4 players, 2 wingers and a couple of play makers would do us good. I do believe firmly that before he leaves Easter Road Pat Fenlon will win something with the club. But for now its good job so far, keep up the good work.

:pfgwa:pfgwa:pfgwa

Hibstrooper
21-08-2012, 04:01 PM
In Pat most of us trust

Northernhibee
21-08-2012, 04:27 PM
There is no evidence yet that we are tough to break down. We've conceded 5 goals in our first three games. That does not sound like a team that's tough to break down.
Just saying it won't make it so.

Absolute rubbish.

A second string team of ours with David Stephens at CB conceded three against a team who have scored three in each of their league games so far.

Since then we've conceded one goal when two goals up, and one miscommunication between keeper and new defender. Apart from that, we absorbed a huge deal of St Mirren pressure and kept Hearts at bay. In both his games Deegan ran the midfield, Maybury has been rock solid, McPake is captain fantastic as ever, Hanlon is the perfect CB partner for McPake, Clancy is going from strength to strength and our keeper is a tough, communicative and intimidating figure.

We're difficult to beat and break down. Trying to pretend otherwise because you hate seeing Hibs do well and leaving nothing to whine about doesn't hide that fact.

surreyhibbie
21-08-2012, 04:39 PM
A bit too early to tell, but I am pretty relaxed, which makes a change!

I like Pat and he seems, at present, to be improving things. We will have a better idea after 11 games, not three.

Still need a couple of players, IMHO, but I'm sure PF already knows that..

ronaldo7
21-08-2012, 04:40 PM
It's only Tuesday, and I'm already looking forward to the match on Saturday.

Something's changed.:pfgwa

Stevie Reid
21-08-2012, 05:04 PM
It's only Tuesday, and I'm already looking forward to the match on Saturday.

Something's changed.:pfgwa

Excellent point, very well made!

Saorsa
21-08-2012, 05:25 PM
It's only Tuesday, and I'm already looking forward to the match on Saturday.

Something's changed.:pfgwa:agree: long time since I've had that feeling too, roll on Saturday :flag: :pfgwa

Squealing pig
21-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Paddy fenlons green and white army

Ray_
21-08-2012, 05:48 PM
Absolute rubbish.

A second string team of ours with David Stephens at CB conceded three against a team who have scored three in each of their league games so far.

Since then we've conceded one goal when two goals up, and one miscommunication between keeper and new defender. Apart from that, we absorbed a huge deal of St Mirren pressure and kept Hearts at bay. In both his games Deegan ran the midfield, Maybury has been rock solid, McPake is captain fantastic as ever, Hanlon is the perfect CB partner for McPake, Clancy is going from strength to strength and our keeper is a tough, communicative and intimidating figure.

We're difficult to beat and break down. Trying to pretend otherwise because you hate seeing Hibs do well and leaving nothing to whine about doesn't hide that fact.

Posts like this make it more difficult for a manager IMHO, the last two games have seen massive improvement, but keep it real!

1] Conceding a goal so soon after scoring yourself is frowned upon in football, yet we done it on Saturday. 2] If four or five up then yes conceding isn't so bad, but at two up, it lets them back in the game, as is what happened. 3] How can Maybury have been rock solid if, in the two games he played, he gifted one of the two goals conceded?

With points 1,2 & 3, the defence doesn't seem anywhere near as impregnable as your suggesting, give PF a chance by keeping things realistic.

jacomo
21-08-2012, 08:36 PM
Now we're finally seeing PF get his team in (Dundee United doesn't count - Deegan and Maybury have shown themselves to be a vital part of the squad) I like the direction we're taking - tough to break down and tough to beat. A decent spine in Williams, McPake, Deegan and Kuqi is a good step forward and the likes of Cairney, Maybury and Clancy are good, positive additions.

We're seeing the skeleton of a top side emerging.

Right oh. What happens if Deegan or Maybury can't play?

scuttle
21-08-2012, 09:23 PM
Now we're finally seeing PF get his team in (Dundee United doesn't count - Deegan and Maybury have shown themselves to be a vital part of the squad) I like the direction we're taking - tough to break down and tough to beat. A decent spine in Williams, McPake, Deegan and Kuqi is a good step forward and the likes of Cairney, Maybury and Clancy are good, positive additions.

We're seeing the skeleton of a top side emerging.

Make no BONES about it ,Dundee utd unfortunately did count

matty_f
21-08-2012, 09:26 PM
Make no BONES about it ,Dundee utd unfortunately did count

Ah well, we're pretty much relegation fodder again then.:rolleyes:

Jonnyboy
21-08-2012, 09:28 PM
All I'm saying is wait and see before getting too excited.
When Pat arrived we had a defence that had been shipping a couple of goals a game for about two years. He did not manage to improve that despite making wholesale changes to the defensive line up.
So far this season we have managed to ship 5 goals in our first three games.
We still lack creativity going forward and our fitness looks poor compared to the teams around us. Thankfully Griffiths is on fire just now.
I really hope I'm wrong on this and I've been wrong on plenty before. I thought both Yogi and Collins (league cup aside) would be a success. Let's hope Pat makes me look a right muppet.

So basically you're no ready to walk on the sunny side of the street yet? :wink:

Northernhibee
21-08-2012, 09:28 PM
Right oh. What happens if Deegan or Maybury can't play?

Those with the power of thought will realise that's why PF is looking to bring in 2-3 more before the window is closed.

Tyler Durden
22-08-2012, 06:22 AM
Absolute rubbish.

A second string team of ours with David Stephens at CB conceded three against a team who have scored three in each of their league games so far.

Since then we've conceded one goal when two goals up, and one miscommunication between keeper and new defender. Apart from that, we absorbed a huge deal of St Mirren pressure and kept Hearts at bay. In both his games Deegan ran the midfield, Maybury has been rock solid, McPake is captain fantastic as ever, Hanlon is the perfect CB partner for McPake, Clancy is going from strength to strength and our keeper is a tough, communicative and intimidating figure.

We're difficult to beat and break down. Trying to pretend otherwise because you hate seeing Hibs do well and leaving nothing to whine about doesn't hide that fact.

Second string team? Sproule and Stephens playing makes it second string does it?

Look back at the BBC highlights, one simple ball through the middle catches out Hanlon and could easily have been a goal....we didn't look that difficult to break down there. The "perfect partner for McPake" wasn't too clever marking Thompson for the goal either.

I think everyone is more optimistic and rightly so but it's early days, let's see a run of 5-6 games improvement before we get carried away.

jacomo
22-08-2012, 07:10 AM
Those with the power of thought will realise that's why PF is looking to bring in 2-3 more before the window is closed.

You mean the squad isn't good enough? You don't say.

It does look as if we've turned a corner and that's great. But after two decent performances, I'm not ready to hail a new era just yet.

SouthMoroccoStu
22-08-2012, 07:16 AM
It's only Tuesday, and I'm already looking forward to the match on Saturday.

Something's changed.:pfgwa

Agreed :thumbsup:

flash
22-08-2012, 07:47 AM
What does become clear is that some people would rather he failed than they be proved wrong about him.

joe breezy
22-08-2012, 07:52 AM
I think managers need time, Alex Ferguson would have been slated by Hibs fan in his early years at Man United

matty_f
22-08-2012, 07:54 AM
What does become clear is that some people would rather he failed than they be proved wrong about him.

:agree:

NAE NOOKIE
22-08-2012, 07:54 AM
For me the Dundee Utd game was a slap in the face, not because we lost because Utd are a cut above us at the moment. I just couldnt believe that after our biggest let down ever Hibs still didnt appear to have any guts or fight and at least enough about us to make it a tough match for Utd .... if that had continued into the next two games I would have been seriously concerned that PF wasnt up to the job.

But it didnt, and for me that shows that perhaps PF is able to get it into the players heads that sub standard tosh just wont do.

PF has also shown that he is willing to learn from his mistakes, admit he got it wrong and change it.

I do worry that we wont be able to hold on to LG after his loan period ends though and that is something Hibs need to be thinking about now, because we just cant go a whole season with just one striker able to find the net, lets hope Kookie will be a scorer too and at least solve that problem for this season.

Anyway ....... its a bit too soon to tell if we have turned the corner yet, but a draw in a derby and an away win in our last two games does give some hope and like a few folk I'm looking forward to Saturday which cant be a bad thing for a Hibs fan:greengrin

Oh and lets not forget, we only won 8 league games last season, if we win on Saturday that will be a quarter of our win ratio achieved already with only 4 games gone .... now that will be progress.

JimBHibees
22-08-2012, 08:50 AM
What does become clear is that some people would rather he failed than they be proved wrong about him.

I agree which is sad really. No-one is saying we have turned any corner however the last two performances when PF is getting nearer the team and squad he would like are night and day from previous games. Slow and gradual improvement is the way to go. Getting us competitive with all teams in the league and harder to beat while retaining a goal threat is all I would imagine Hibs fans are wanting at present.

jacomo
22-08-2012, 08:56 AM
What does become clear is that some people would rather he failed than they be proved wrong about him.

I am not aware of anyone who holds that opinion. Who are these people?

Wotherspiniesta
22-08-2012, 11:54 AM
I am not aware of anyone who holds that opinion. Who are these people?

OzyHibby.

Northernhibee
22-08-2012, 12:48 PM
You mean the squad isn't good enough? You don't say.

It does look as if we've turned a corner and that's great. But after two decent performances, I'm not ready to hail a new era just yet.

The starting XI is good enough to do well in the SPL this year. PF is looking to give himself more options to cover for injury.

I'm sure that'll be enough for some to call for Fenlon to be sacked on here right enough. :rolleyes:

jacomo
22-08-2012, 12:54 PM
The starting XI is good enough to do well in the SPL this year. PF is looking to give himself more options to cover for injury.

I'm sure that'll be enough for some to call for Fenlon to be sacked on here right enough. :rolleyes:

Yeah alright then, launch him. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Honestly, some people on here seem happier believing that there are some people on here who bear a grudge against the manager, rather than accept that they are simply Hibs fans who are desperate for some consistency before hailing PF as the Messiah.

Northernhibee
22-08-2012, 12:57 PM
Yeah alright then, launch him.

Honestly, some people on here seem happier believing that there are some people on here who bear a grudge against the manager, rather than accept that they are simply Hibs fans who are desperate for some consistency before hailing PF as the Messiah. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Most other teams reactions to if their manager signed Deegan, and looked to add 2-3 players to add depth.

"Oh good, a hard as nails CM that will run the midfield. Good move".

"Oh good, he's identified we don't have many options on the bench. Good move".


The .net way:

"More LOI pish"

"Our team's not up to standard. Boooooo".

jacomo
22-08-2012, 01:16 PM
Most other teams reactions to if their manager signed Deegan, and looked to add 2-3 players to add depth.

"Oh good, a hard as nails CM that will run the midfield. Good move".

"Oh good, he's identified we don't have many options on the bench. Good move".


The .net way:

"More LOI pish"

"Our team's not up to standard. Boooooo".

Utter tosh.

Few people on here knew anything about Deegan before he signed (did you?) and given Hibs' recent record on signing players I'd be amazed if there wasn't at least some scepticism. We have become used to serial disappointment, particularly with midfielders, and Deegan was billed as an attacking midfielder (not entirely accurately) when most people believed we needed more dig in there.

Since his debut, he has attracted near-universal praise as far as I can tell, and PF has earned plaudits for identifying the right man and bringing him in. There has certainly been no booing.

What booing are you talking about? You appear to be making it up. :confused:

Jonnyboy
22-08-2012, 09:42 PM
Utter tosh.

Few people on here knew anything about Deegan before he signed (did you?) and given Hibs' recent record on signing players I'd be amazed if there wasn't at least some scepticism. We have become used to serial disappointment, particularly with midfielders, and Deegan was billed as an attacking midfielder (not entirely accurately) when most people believed we needed more dig in there.

Since his debut, he has attracted near-universal praise as far as I can tell, and PF has earned plaudits for identifying the right man and bringing him in. There has certainly been no booing.

What booing are you talking about? You appear to be making it up. :confused:

That's very true and yet the day he signed, one poster had him in midfield when he offered his team selection for the next game, saying 'this is our strongest eleven' :greengrin

Pedantic_Hibee
22-08-2012, 09:59 PM
And I wonder why I set fire to people.

Vindicated.

jacomo
22-08-2012, 11:11 PM
That's very true and yet the day he signed, one poster had him in midfield when he offered his team selection for the next game, saying 'this is our strongest eleven' :greengrin

Well, I guess that's turning out to be true, so fair play. Always best to see the goods first though:

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/246261,reds-admit-rosales-hoax.aspx

:hijack:

Captain Trips
22-08-2012, 11:56 PM
2 good performances are far from convincing me he is right man. I do not think he is right man but will be delighted to be wrong over this, that is what is clear on here are peoples honesty. I have an opinion he isnt a great manager based on results, the only thing that will change my thoughts are PF continuing what went on last Saturday.

basehibby
23-08-2012, 12:15 AM
I'm with the OP here - sure it's been slow, but I have sensed a steady improvement under PF. The season's opener against a more than decent Dundee Utd side was still pretty pish from our POV, but there had been a paucity of signings up to that point and the team we put out looked weaker than the one that got horsed in May IMO.

But the additions of Deegan and Maybury since then have both looked like wise moves and I am greatly encouraged by them. If Kuqui lives up to his billing and Paddy can make a few more canny moves like that in the window then we could be in for a much more enjoyable season than last. Certainly there is cause for optimism, and rather than remaining mired in gloom on the off chance that PF turns out to be pish I'm inclined to allow myself to get just a wee bit excited just in case he isnae :greengrin

All together now Ozzy Hibs...

:pfgwa:pfgwa:pfgwa:thumbsup:

joe_hfc
23-08-2012, 12:50 AM
2 good performances are far from convincing me he is right man. I do not think he is right man but will be delighted to be wrong over this, that is what is clear on here are peoples honesty. I have an opinion he isnt a great manager based on results, the only thing that will change my thoughts are PF continuing what went on last Saturday.

His results haven't been great, but it would have taken a miracle to turn last season's team around instantly. I think that PF is now steadily turning things around, and like a lot of successful managers, we need to give him time. If he turns last season's Hibs in to a Hibs achieving a respectable finish this season, then he is a very very capable SPL manager.

It's refreshing to be confident that the club is making signs of moving forward. It's been too long. :agree:

:pfgwa

Wotherspiniesta
23-08-2012, 12:53 AM
I think we'll beat St Johnstone at home on Saturday and be top of the league. Who's with me? :aok::pfgwa

joe_hfc
23-08-2012, 01:36 AM
I think we'll beat St Johnstone at home on Saturday and be top of the league. Who's with me? :aok::pfgwa

I agree! As long as our defence doesn't fall asleep, they have a decent front-line! I reckon 3-2, KUQI HATRICK!! :flag:

We all dream of a team of Shefki Kuqi's, a team of Shefki Kuqi's, a team of Shefki Kuqi's :panic:

lord bunberry
23-08-2012, 03:50 AM
I think we'll beat St Johnstone at home on Saturday and be top of the league. Who's with me? :aok::pfgwa

Its a certainty

Sprouleflyer
23-08-2012, 05:09 AM
I think we'll beat St Johnstone at home on Saturday and be top of the league. Who's with me? :aok::pfgwa

Winning a league game at ER with a Saturday 3pm kick off time would be nice.

When was the last time that happened?

Captain Trips
23-08-2012, 07:47 AM
His results haven't been great, but it would have taken a miracle to turn last season's team around instantly. I think that PF is now steadily turning things around, and like a lot of successful managers, we need to give him time. If he turns last season's Hibs in to a Hibs achieving a respectable finish this season, then he is a very very capable SPL manager.

It's refreshing to be confident that the club is making signs of moving forward. It's been too long. :agree:

:pfgwa

We had these discussions when CC did well in I think Febuary last year, think he may have got manager of month. A manager needs time but has to earn that time. After what 10/11 months CC had not earned that as we were not any better, PF has to earn that right and IMO we have not improved enough in 8 months so far. I am not asking for 20 wins on trot but I was looking for more than 6 SPL wins since his arrival.

After 10 matches I would like us to have more points than we did last season then we can start talking on progress, yes the last 2 games have shown some better qualities this has to be continued. Looking at the last performance I would say we should beat St Johnstone but I havent watched them play so I hope they havent pushed on much themselves.

9pts after 10 games last season surely PF can improve on that he has 4pts already and 7 more games to not only beat 9pts but hammer it.

Beefster
23-08-2012, 08:27 AM
That's very true and yet the day he signed, one poster had him in midfield when he offered his team selection for the next game, saying 'this is our strongest eleven' :greengrin

There's a tendency on here to instantly treat a new signing as the answer to all our problems and then go mad when it turns out that he actually isn't.

Stevie Reid
23-08-2012, 08:53 AM
Winning a league game at ER with a Saturday 3pm kick off time would be nice.

When was the last time that happened?

Vs Inverness in February last year, IIRC.

Northernhibee
23-08-2012, 09:00 AM
We had these discussions when CC did well in I think Febuary last year, think he may have got manager of month. A manager needs time but has to earn that time. After what 10/11 months CC had not earned that as we were not any better, PF has to earn that right and IMO we have not improved enough in 8 months so far. I am not asking for 20 wins on trot but I was looking for more than 6 SPL wins since his arrival.

After 10 matches I would like us to have more points than we did last season then we can start talking on progress, yes the last 2 games have shown some better qualities this has to be continued. Looking at the last performance I would say we should beat St Johnstone but I havent watched them play so I hope they havent pushed on much themselves.

9pts after 10 games last season surely PF can improve on that he has 4pts already and 7 more games to not only beat 9pts but hammer it.

Are you available to book for parties?

Captain Trips
23-08-2012, 09:03 AM
Are you available to book for parties?

Not for the sort of parties you would likely be hosting.

Northernhibee
23-08-2012, 09:07 AM
Not for the sort of parties you would likely be hosting.

Touche:top marks

"10th birthday, eh? Get real kid, it's just another day closer to your bleak, inevitable and lonely death. That'll be fifty quid pal". .netograms

LeighLoyal
23-08-2012, 09:16 AM
Was sceptical after the Hampen fiasco but I 've got a feeling he'll get it right .... :fenlon

Aubenas
23-08-2012, 09:21 AM
Are you available to book for parties?

Carlsberg doesn't do parties, but if he did.......................














Prince Harry would be there :wink:

tolka
25-08-2012, 04:58 AM
Message from ireland. Im a Shels fan(shelbourne) was just wondering how you felt nutsy was getting on, been keeping an eye on your results and they have been picking up. our season is over in november and was wondering if i travelled over for xmas would it be difficult to get a tictet for ross county match and celtic match. im NOT a Celtic fan as they take supporters away from the domestic game in Ireland and would love to see the hibees beat them. Do I need to book tickets in advance? THE REAL REDS!!!!!!!!

blackpoolhibs
25-08-2012, 07:09 AM
We have years of absolute crap and people moan, then we get 1 or 2 good results and those who have moaned get slaughtered for not quite believing the corner has been turned yet, i mean its not like we have not been here before?

And i'm the one who is constantly accused of knee jerk reactions?

And those who have moaned are now being told they'd rather moan than see a winning hibs team?

Aye only on .net. :rolleyes:

Personally i'm not convinced yet, but can see progress in the last couple of games. I'm a supporter who would love us to win and play well each week, but know thats never going to be the case.

A team punching its weight will do me every time, and the last time we did that i was known as a happy clapper. :faf:

I'm just about to set off at 9am to come up the road for todays game, and as someone who's been less than happy about whats gone on at my club since Mowbray left, bar a few notable exceptions, i do travel up with a little more expectations than i have had recently.

Dont let us down Hibs, WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, no matter what some idiots might say here.

007 Mickey Weir
25-08-2012, 07:36 AM
Message from ireland. Im a Shels fan(shelbourne) was just wondering how you felt nutsy was getting on, been keeping an eye on your results and they have been picking up. our season is over in november and was wondering if i travelled over for xmas would it be difficult to get a tictet for ross county match and celtic match. im NOT a Celtic fan as they take supporters away from the domestic game in Ireland and would love to see the hibees beat them. Do I need to book tickets in advance? THE REAL REDS!!!!!!!!

You are more than welcome to join us. To get a ticket for a grade A game which the Celtic game is you need to be on the Hibs data base. You will need to get a ticket for the Ross County game and get Hibs to put your details on the system. Then call back seperately and buy a ticket for the Celtic game. Ask for a ticket around the singing section in the East Stand.

If you have issues nearer the time put a message on here again. Someone might be able to help you.

As for PF things are improving. Very slowly. He had a very bad season last year but it wasn't his team. This year is a big one for him. I personally think he will do it.

Glory glory to the Hibs!!

Heedersnvolleys
25-08-2012, 07:43 AM
Message from ireland. Im a Shels fan(shelbourne) was just wondering how you felt nutsy was getting on, been keeping an eye on your results and they have been picking up. our season is over in november and was wondering if i travelled over for xmas would it be difficult to get a tictet for ross county match and celtic match. im NOT a Celtic fan as they take supporters away from the domestic game in Ireland and would love to see the hibees beat them. Do I need to book tickets in advance? THE REAL REDS!!!!!!!!

As said many a time on here still to be convinced myself. My reason for that I would have liked to have seen even a slight improvement when he arrived even with the s***e we had at the time. Then you could at least say his management/coaching skills were there. I have really only seen improvements when slightly better players have arrived. Not a bad thing his skills might be his eye for a player on our limited budget. But the rumours that his sucess in LOI was down to having the biggest budget haunt me as that is not going to happen here! I live in hope though he is the man for Hibs sake, I really fear for us if we had to change again.

Interested in what your opinion on PF?

down-the-slope
25-08-2012, 08:13 AM
Touche:top marks

"10th birthday, eh? Get real kid, it's just another day closer to your bleak, inevitable and lonely death. That'll be fifty quid pal". .netograms

:tee hee: