Darren Jackson running his mouth

[VickMackie]

JC was correct, players should be fit but all that will do wrongly imo is make Hibs unattractive as 90% of other club managers seem to accept players as they are in main so players would rather play for them.

Hibs cannot be guinea pig for a culture change as we have enough issues without that. JC in theory was right but it will never work alone at one club when players will have lots of choice to go to club that doesnt have that philosophy.

Le Guen, 3 times French league champion iirc came to Scotland. He might have been at the buns but I was genuinely excited at the time he could influence our game. Didn't happen.

[AlbertK86]

:agree: Its a lazy excuse by folk who have no idea what they are talking about.

Don't recall you being on Mastermind mate !

I take it you know everything - sorry think you know everything so nobody else opinion counts

[jacomo]

It is all that big softie, hippy barsteward, lovey - bloody - dovey, players bosom buddy Tony -cuddley wuddley- Mowbray's fault. If only Petrie had allowed Collins to attach the electrodes to Mikey- snake in the grass, jambo fifth columnist, ruddy Stewart's genitallia, we wouldn't be in the state we are now.

Nah, you're right. Scottish football is revered the world over for being the absolute pinnacle of the sport. Our clubs are thriving and the international team sets the standard for all others to follow.

Have things ever been better?

[marinello59]

They just get their body full of all sorts of enhancers don't they :rolleyes:. As for smokers, didn't do Russel any harm did it?

Latapy was blessed with sublime talent making him the exception rather than the rule. Who is to say who he wouldn't have been even better without the ciggies?:greengrin

[marinello59]

I am not saying the same, bottom line is Hibs are no worse as a culture than any other club, I think what goes on at Hibs will be pretty standard at all clubs, so IMO we do not have an issue with our culture we have one with poor players. Hibs will demand the best as will all clubs I do not see Hibs being any less looking for best than any other club.

I think we shouldnt be concerned about the culture at Hibs and more so on our results. There seems a tone as if Hibs are not as proffesional as other clubs I do not see that, we will have rules some clubs might not and clubs will have ones we don't.

That is hardly making the case for doing nothing. If players at other clubs are not behaving as proper athletes should then all the more reason why Hibs should encourage ours to do so. We have to strive to gain every advantage we can. To suggest otherwise betrays a lack of ambition.

[Cropley10]

Fine I cannot accept a club changing managers and players at the rate we have done have some sort of culture that remains through managers all with different ideas, not having that at all. The unfortunate thing is we have had 2 or 3 managers making bad signings it is as simple as that. The players arrive crap we do not make them crap with a "culture"

We hear more about this stuff because we lose I am as certain that plenty of stuff goes on in winning team.

This rotten 'culture' - the only thing that survives JC, Mixu, Yogi, CC & PF is the Board and Lewis Stevenson. Does the bad culture get passed around like a cold, from players leaving to players joining?

I think part of our problem is we've let talent leave with absolutely no thought to will replace them; we've not had a LB since Murphy left, nor a RB since Whittaker left either. Players move on at every level of football, from U13 up, but we don't ever have a replacement or more worryingly a youth player to take their place. That for me is the cultural issue at the Club; a 'hope for the best mentality'.

[BEEJ]

That for me is the cultural issue at the Club; a 'hope for the best mentality'.
:agree:

The culture being discussed in earlier posts is the 'dressing room' culture at ER.

As you say, the culture of the football club has other negative aspects which emerge at different parts of the organisation.

[PatHead]

The worst excuse ever for doing something at work is "we have always done it that way". All I would ask as a Hibs supporter is that the team give the best they are capable of on the pitch. To do so they have to be professional off it as well. The days of Spoonies mum making cakes for the players and the nice wee tea club at EM are being brought to an end.

We keep getting posters asking how players do much better when they leave Hibs, maybe the answer is in the professionalism that has been demanded and where the power between players and managers has been held.

On the subject of mobiles in the dressing room, last season Dundee Utd had 2 players on loan from Fulham. Just before the kick off Houston caught one of these players, who was a sub that day, on his mobile. The boy got shipped out back to Fulham on the Monday and never played for Utd again. Maybe we need this discipline at Easter Road. I have absolutely no doubt PF will carry on imposing this.

Onwards and upwards. GGTTH

[J-C]

The worst excuse ever for doing something at work is "we have always done it that way". All I would ask as a Hibs supporter is that the team give the best they are capable of on the pitch. To do so they have to be professional off it as well. The days of Spoonies mum making cakes for the players and the nice wee tea club at EM are being brought to an end.

We keep getting posters asking how players do much better when they leave Hibs, maybe the answer is in the professionalism that has been demanded and where the power between players and managers has been held.

On the subject of mobiles in the dressing room, last season Dundee Utd had 2 players on loan from Fulham. Just before the kick off Houston caught one of these players, who was a sub that day, on his mobile. The boy got shipped out back to Fulham on the Monday and never played for Utd again. Maybe we need this discipline at Easter Road. I have absolutely no doubt PF will carry on imposing this.

Onwards and upwards. GGTTH


I think there's a huge problem at ER re discipline.

Remember a couple of seasons ago we had players drinking and fighting up Geprge St and rumours of others with gambling problems etc...................the Deek was stupidly fined for criticising the state of the pitch. No consistency whatsoever, is this coming from managemant or the board as I'm pretty sure Deek was given the fine from Petrie himself and not Yogi.

[blackpoolhibs]

Pure revisionism. Mowbray's team lost plenty, with poor away form and disappointments in the cups. They were of course brilliant on their day, but there was huge talent in that team and they didn't actually win anything.

You've made your dislike of Collins clear many times, but it seems incredible that in the realm of professional sport (that is what this is, right?) you have a pop for trying to improve the fitness of the players.

Why would you not want the players as fit as possible? Have you discovered some alternative coaching method that goes against everything that the greatest teams in the sport live by?

If so, do share it.

Oh i know we lost games we probably should have won, but i'd take the feel good feeling we had then before any other times i have had since Turnbulls time. As for my dislike of Collins, nothing could be further from the truth, he's one of the best players i have seen as a Hibs player. He also gave me probably my best day as a Hibs fan.

We as a club were not unfit, go through the team and tell me who was not as fit as a butchers dog when he arrived?

He brought players to the club who were just bloody hopeless, he also had an arrogance thats not served him too well since has it? Which clubs are banging down the door to get this visionary into their clubs?

He has a great philosophy, and i agree his vision of how a club should be run is 100% correct. How you go implementing that vision is also a skill, one he fell way short on. You also cant be a quitter, especially when the players you bought are the ones who are mainly responsible for the slump in form and results.

[Captain Trips]

The worst excuse ever for doing something at work is "we have always done it that way". All I would ask as a Hibs supporter is that the team give the best they are capable of on the pitch. To do so they have to be professional off it as well. The days of Spoonies mum making cakes for the players and the nice wee tea club at EM are being brought to an end.

We keep getting posters asking how players do much better when they leave Hibs, maybe the answer is in the professionalism that has been demanded and where the power between players and managers has been held.

On the subject of mobiles in the dressing room, last season Dundee Utd had 2 players on loan from Fulham. Just before the kick off Houston caught one of these players, who was a sub that day, on his mobile. The boy got shipped out back to Fulham on the Monday and never played for Utd again. Maybe we need this discipline at Easter Road. I have absolutely no doubt PF will carry on imposing this.

Onwards and upwards. GGTTH

Disagree Pat, managers IMO will let things depending on the value of that player, I am not saying we have always done it that way so its fine, all clubs should be more strict regarding twitter, players going out etc etc. At the moment though lots of clubs are similar in the players having probably to much of a good thing, if Hibs step things up to where they should be we will just be making ourselves less attractive to players.

I do not think our problems are with players going out or being lazy I firmly believe that happens all over at all clubs, Hibs problems are really simple bad managers signing bad players employing poor tactics that is all I am interested in us sorting, trying to bring in good players and having the club step up with what players are allowed to do would and will not work.

One club that maybe pays top dollar in wages will get away with this, Hibs are at a level with 100s of choices so all we would do is limit players coming. JC was right but you will never get away with it in isolation. Lets sign good players eh?

[Famous5forever]

Indeed, we were not bottom there was nothing to be avoided and there were other teams right around us, CC as bad as he was and as bad as team was were still not bottom after what 13 matches? He was rightly given time and that first window was vital, He brought in 6/7 players whom you would think the point in bringing in were they were better in his mind than what we had.

McPake certainly was so thats fine but for me 4/5 were no better or worse than what was there and the struggle continued, not having any excuses about difficult to sign folk in January simply do not sign folk if not offering more it cant be that difficult if he found 6/7 he thought offered something, they offered very little if anything so that is why he has no excuse. PF 100x the drive of CC unfortunatly on par with the ability.

Time given has to be earned CC was punted after a good few months of it clearly not working, the facts are results have not improved that much if at all after 6mths, he cannot continue just because he is more passionate than CC he has shown me at least nothing new.

I Afree with you if things continue to deteriorate then i am afraid he will have to go which will leave an almighty mess for whoever our Board appoint to replace Paddy.

[down-the-slope]

Andy that will happen all over so its a leveller, why will Hibs under 2 managers have players on mobiles? Simple they are at it at all clubs almost. Hibs start addressing that then we have JC part 2, I want us to address players passing 10yds etc.

Cmon Vaz Te etc could not use phones until arriving here?


That is Exactly what the Manager says is happening - then we have players bleating about training / tactics etc.....funny that :hmmm:


Tail again trying to wag the dog?

Personally I do not pay for a ST or follow the Club for the benefit of players having a nice time and a comfy life.

[lord bunberry]

JC was correct, players should be fit but all that will do wrongly imo is make Hibs unattractive as 90% of other club managers seem to accept players as they are in main so players would rather play for them.

Hibs cannot be guinea pig for a culture change as we have enough issues without that. JC in theory was right but it will never work alone at one club when players will have lots of choice to go to club that doesnt have that philosophy.

We need to be starting this sort of thing at youth level so that when the youngsters move up to the first team squad its second nature to them. We need to coach these kids to be the best they Steven fletcher is a good example of someone who worked hard and has reaped the benefits

[down-the-slope]

We need to be starting this sort of thing at youth level so that when the youngsters move up to the first team squad its second nature to them. We need to coach these kids to be the best they Steven fletcher is a good example of someone who worked hard and has reaped the benefits

This is very sorted at youth level where standards are high and they are involved in community initiatives etc. When Manager and Board were questioned about this it amounted to admission that in recent seasons the youngsters have been badly influeneced by the wrong characters in the 1st team when they have moved up

[J-C]

This is very sorted at youth level where standards are high and they are involved in community initiatives etc. When Manager and Board were questioned about this it amounted to admission that in recent seasons the youngsters have been badly influeneced by the wrong characters in the 1st
team when they have moved up


So we won't be signing Giles Coke any time soon then. :greengrin

[truehibernian]

We need to be starting this sort of thing at youth level so that when the youngsters move up to the first team squad its second nature to them. We need to coach these kids to be the best they Steven fletcher is a good example of someone who worked hard and has reaped the benefits

The good news is bunberry that it is being sorted out at youth level - I see close hand what the academies are doing and it is very very positive. Youngsters not only get an academic education (which is crucial), they get daily football coaching, sports science inputs, leadership skills, educated on nutrition and diet - most of all they are having self discipline and respect for your body drilled into them. Any behaviour issues in and around the academy are dealt with firmly and let me tell you, the kids know that if they choose wrong options, they are out. All the academies should be in place this year too.

Like anything though, young people are impressionable and we will only be able to gauge once they reach 17/18 and continue living their footballing life as they have been taught - Scotland however has a lot to answer for with it's reliance on bevvy culture IMHO - it is very difficult to ignore and at that age they are impressionable - but none of these kids leaving the academy structure will do so not knowing the importance of hard work, dedication, looking after yourself and striving to improve.

In short, there is no excuse should they choose to go down the stereotypical 'footballers route' - every SPL club bar Celtic have bought into the idea so again, they have a responsibility to run with the programme. There is no point the academies teaching them one thing, then the clubs allowing bad influences within clubs to undermine them.

That's why, for me, Hibernian have to get tough and start to invoke real discipline on and off the field - I'm not asking for regimental type discipline, but common decency standards that we all have to work to in any walk of life. Dress code, turning up for work on time, no phone use whilst at training, no alcohol before games, no gambling within the club........these are some of the issues that have been allowed to go on unchecked. Pride in the club and oneself dimishes if these simple rules (I think) are not followed and then performances on the park suffer, especially if some players work hard and abide by them and others are seen to flaunt them.

[The Green Goblin]

The good news is bunberry that it is being sorted out at youth level - I see close hand what the academies are doing and it is very very positive. Youngsters not only get an academic education (which is crucial), they get daily football coaching, sports science inputs, leadership skills, educated on nutrition and diet - most of all they are having self discipline and respect for your body drilled into them. Any behaviour issues in and around the academy are dealt with firmly and let me tell you, the kids know that if they choose wrong options, they are out. All the academies should be in place this year too.

Like anything though, young people are impressionable and we will only be able to gauge once they reach 17/18 and continue living their footballing life as they have been taught - Scotland however has a lot to answer for with it's reliance on bevvy culture IMHO - it is very difficult to ignore and at that age they are impressionable - but none of these kids leaving the academy structure will do so not knowing the importance of hard work, dedication, looking after yourself and striving to improve.

In short, there is no excuse should they choose to go down the stereotypical 'footballers route' - every SPL club bar Celtic have bought into the idea so again, they have a responsibility to run with the programme. There is no point the academies teaching them one thing, then the clubs allowing bad influences within clubs to undermine them.

That's why, for me, Hibernian have to get tough and start to invoke real discipline on and off the field - I'm not asking for regimental type discipline, but common decency standards that we all have to work to in any walk of life. Dress code, turning up for work on time, no phone use whilst at training, no alcohol before games, no gambling within the club........these are some of the issues that have been allowed to go on unchecked. Pride in the club and oneself dimishes if these simple rules (I think) are not followed and then performances on the park suffer, especially if some players work hard and abide by them and others are seen to flaunt them.

Great post and agree 100%.

[LeighLoyal]

Dazza is still a Hibee in my book. Said so himself.

[Tyler Durden]

Pure revisionism. Mowbray's team lost plenty, with poor away form and disappointments in the cups. They were of course brilliant on their day, but there was huge talent in that team and they didn't actually win anything.

You've made your dislike of Collins clear many times, but it seems incredible that in the realm of professional sport (that is what this is, right?) you have a pop for trying to improve the fitness of the players.

Why would you not want the players as fit as possible? Have you discovered some alternative coaching method that goes against everything that the greatest teams in the sport live by?

If so, do share it.

Sorry but think you are the one guilty of revisionism.

Mowbrays team won 18 games in his first season and 17 the next, plenty of away wins in there. Two 3-0 wins at Ibrox, a 3-1 at Parkhead and a win at Tynecastle.

Fitness was not an issue, we scored a number of 90th minute goals. Collins chose to make an issue of this as a means to take the team to the next level and then used this and a number of other things as an excuse for his poor management skills.

Totally agree with Carlsberg, this issue of culture is a red herring. Where Fenlon has followed his predecessor so far is an inability to show any football culture or style. Could anyone actually pinpoint how his teams are meant to play?

Mowbray had a squad for a few weeks and in his first game, they all knew how they were expected to play. He progressively improved the quality of player but the style was the same.

I just hope that if/when Fenlon gets his players in, we start to see some actual tactics and a pattern of play.

[blackpoolhibs]

Sorry but think you are the one guilty of revisionism.

Mowbrays team won 18 games in his first season and 17 the next, plenty of away wins in there. Two 3-0 wins at Ibrox, a 3-1 at Parkhead and a win at Tynecastle.

Fitness was not an issue, we scored a number of 90th minute goals. Collins chose to make an issue of this as a means to take the team to the next level and then used this and a number of other things as an excuse for his poor management skills.

Totally agree with Carlsberg, this issue of culture is a red herring. Where Fenlon has followed his predecessor so far is an inability to show any football culture or style. Could anyone actually pinpoint how his teams are meant to play?

Mowbray had a squad for a few weeks and in his first game, they all knew how they were expected to play. He progressively improved the quality of player but the style was the same.

I just hope that if/when Fenlon gets his players in, we start to see some actual tactics and a pattern of play.

Exactly. :agree:

[IWasThere2016]

Any update on what DJ is saying these days? :stirrer:

[.Sean.]

Any update on what DJ is saying these days? :stirrer:

Any reason you've brought this up? You heard something?

[Bostonhibby]

Any update on what DJ is saying these days? :stirrer:

My Fish supplier told me that when DJ was buying some pickled herring from him DJ told him that he had been trying to get the same trialist into Hearts just last week - he still has him and is getting tired of storing him in his garage - anyway apparently the Yams can't buy anyone because they haven't been paying anyone, sounds like a load of tom kite to me but he says they are going to sack McGlynn after the Derby and there will changes at the top. Vlad is going to sack himself. DJ then bought a large frozen salmon and started biting lumps out of it and singing Rule Britannia at the same time.

You heard it here first, sorry I can't divulge any more...................

[IWasThere2016]

Any reason you've brought this up? You heard something?

Nope - just was wondering ..

[poolman]

Told my boss today that Fenlon will be away after the derby either by quitting or getting punted.

Supposedly Jackson was trying to get a trialist into the club and was told to hold off as there would be changes at the top after the derby.

Personally I'm no reading anything into it but thought I'd share what I've been told.


Stupid bloody thread :rolleyes:

Who the hell is gonna tell Jackson to hold of because there will be changes at the top after the derby which is about 10 weeks away

Have a word with yourself

[lugz]

Stupid bloody thread :rolleyes:

Who the hell is gonna tell Jackson to hold of because there will be changes at the top after the derby which is about 10 weeks away

Have a word with yourself

Calm down, was only passing on info that I was told.

I'm glad it's a load of rubbish and we've progressed from last season.

[lugz]

Stupid bloody thread :rolleyes:

Who the hell is gonna tell Jackson to hold of because there will be changes at the top after the derby which is about 10 weeks away

Have a word with yourself

Just realised you haven't noticed the date I originally posted, this was before the derby at Easter road months ago.

[mikethehibee69]

:flag::top marks
I'm hearing snippets about supposed Hibs fans who do nothing but try and destabilise the club at every opportunity.

Sorry I can't be any more ******* specific.