This man is running (or ruining) our country (merged)

[iwasthere1972]

Prime Minister David Cameron left his eight-year-old daughter in a pub following a Sunday lunch, after a mix-up with his wife Samantha.
The couple's daughter Nancy wandered off to the toilets while they were arranging lifts and they only realised she was not with them when they got home, The Sun said.
Mr Cameron rushed back to the Plough Inn in Cadsden, Bucks, where he found his daughter with staff.
A Downing Street spokesman said: "The Prime Minister and Samantha were distraught when they realised Nancy wasn't with them.
"Thankfully when they phoned the pub she was there safe and well.
"The Prime Minister went down straight away to get her."
The Camerons were at the Plough Inn - near the Prime Minister's country retreat Chequers - with Nancy and their other children Arthur, six, and 22-month-old Florence, as well as two other families.
When Mr Cameron left the pub he went home in one car with his bodyguards and thought Nancy was with his wife and their other children in another car. Mrs Cameron had assumed her eldest daughter was with her father.
The mistake was only discovered when they got home.
Mr Cameron drove back to the pub and found Nancy helping staff. She was away from her parents for about 15 minutes.

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[Jack]

Another U turn he wishes he didn't have to make.

[VickMackie]

Expect a ten pager about the McCann's.

The security should have questions asked of them.

[easty]

This time big Dave and SamCam leave little Nancy in the pub and go home without her, a swift U-turn was required 15 mins later to go pick her up. :wink:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157441/David-Cameron-wife-left-daughter-Nancy-8-pub-15-minutes.html

[Pretty Boy]

The more I see, read and hear about Cameron and his sidekick Osbourne, the less I believe they are actually nasty, evil Thatcherite tories. I'm genuinely starting to believe they are just a couple of incompetent fools.

[StevesFamau5]

The more I see, read and hear about Cameron and his sidekick Osbourne, the less I believe they are actually nasty, evil Thatcherite tories. I'm genuinely starting to believe they are just a couple of incompetent fools.

This made me smile. :)
Privately educated buffoons. Every time i see them the theme song to angry birds comes to mind :D

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[Kato]

The more I see, read and hear about Cameron and his sidekick Osbourne, the less I believe they are actually nasty, evil Thatcherite tories. I'm genuinely starting to believe they are just a couple of incompetent fools.


Those two groupings aren't mutually exclusive. In fact quite the opposite.

[VickMackie]

Those two groupings aren't mutually exclusive. In fact quite the opposite.

Like pinky and the brain. Haha

[Beefster]

Cameron's a useless twat but so are the folk that like to jump on every single mistake that he makes as evidence of how much of a twat he is.

"This man puts hot milk in his Coco Pops of a morning. How can he run the country?"

He makes plenty of political mistakes to criticise without everyone jumping on the Daily Mail's bandwagon in a bid to criticise him for some unrelated stuff.

[Kato]

Cameron's a useless twat but so are the folk that like to jump on every single mistake that he makes as evidence of how much of a twat he is.

"This man puts hot milk in his Coco Pops of a morning. How can he run the country?"

He makes plenty of political mistakes to criticise without everyone jumping on the Daily Mail's bandwagon in a bid to criticise him for some unrelated stuff.

Ach, why not. Every bit of evidence is important. His only previous job was some kind of PR gig for a bank. Speaks volumes as to what is seen as political acumen these days.

[magpie1892]

Ach, why not. Every bit of evidence is important. His only previous job was some kind of PR gig for a bank. Speaks volumes as to what is seen as political acumen these days.

Any of them ever had a proper job? Look at the opposition benches FFS.

Unconvinced any of the current crop, in the cabinet or shadow cabinet, are fit for purpose.

[RyeSloan]

Any of them ever had a proper job? Look at the opposition benches FFS.

Unconvinced any of the current crop, in the cabinet or shadow cabinet, are fit for purpose.


Hasn't it always been like this? The political class drawn from a narrow 'elite'?

[Kato]

Any of them ever had a proper job? Look at the opposition benches FFS.

Unconvinced any of the current crop, in the cabinet or shadow cabinet, are fit for purpose.

Agree.

It's theatre. With no plot or any star quality although everyone knows their lines.

[Scouse Hibee]

Perfectly innocent mistake, I actually know someone personally who once done something very similar in similar circumstances due to multi vehicles taking a group home from a pub.

[heretoday]

Perfectly innocent mistake, I actually know someone personally who once done something very similar in similar circumstances due to multi vehicles taking a group home from a pub.

It's a non-story. Probably spins in Cameron's favour in fact.

[HKhibby]

Ach, why not. Every bit of evidence is important. His only previous job was some kind of PR gig for a bank. Speaks volumes as to what is seen as political acumen these days.

Did Tony Blair ever have a string of good related jobs before supposedly becoming PM? but thats ok he was Labour!...supposedly!

[HKhibby]

This made me smile. :)
Privately educated buffoons. Every time i see them the theme song to angry birds comes to mind :D

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Whats wrong with private education?, has everyone there still got some hang up about private schools / universities?...same old Scotland

[HKhibby]

Cameron's a useless twat but so are the folk that like to jump on every single mistake that he makes as evidence of how much of a twat he is.

"This man puts hot milk in his Coco Pops of a morning. How can he run the country?"

He makes plenty of political mistakes to criticise without everyone jumping on the Daily Mail's bandwagon in a bid to criticise him for some unrelated stuff.


He's making a damn sight better job of running the country than messers Blair and Brown ever did!....even with no money to play around with!...due to messers Blair and Brown!!...and other things which have nothing to with him or the present UK Government!

[marinello59]

He's making a damn sight better job of running the country than messers Blair and Brown ever did!....even with no money to play around with!...due to messers Blair and Brown!!...and other things which have nothing to with him or the present UK Government!

Probably because Blair and Brown are both Scots born subsidy junkies who were to busy blaming the English for everything..............or something like that. :agree:

[marinello59]

My Mother left me in my pram outside a shop and managed to walk the mile and a half home before realising she had left me behind. Well she says it was accidental. :greengrin
These things happen, a minor mistake which no doubt they spent ages beating themselves up over. There are loads of other things to dislike him for though. Loads.

[steakbake]

Not that I'm defending Cameron as a politician but as a human being, gawd almighty, what a bunch of shrill children we've become!

Family leaves child behind in a mix up, child is picked up safe and sound minutes later. It happens every single day to hundreds if not thousands of people around the world.

[Kato]

Did Tony Blair ever have a string of good related jobs before supposedly becoming PM? but thats ok he was Labour!...supposedly!

Tony B is and was a self serving twat.

Cameron ditto.

[Pretty Boy]

He's making a damn sight better job of running the country than messers Blair and Brown ever did!....even with no money to play around with!...due to messers Blair and Brown!!...and other things which have nothing to with him or the present UK Government!

It must be great to pontificate about what a fine job someone is making of running a country when your thousands of miles away and completely unaffected by it!.......!!........!!......!.!.....!!!......!.... .!!!!!!!!!.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[easty]

Did Tony Blair ever have a string of good related jobs before supposedly becoming PM? but thats ok he was Labour!...supposedly!

Why does every post you make have to be a dig at Labour, or more particularly Tony Blair? What has he done to you? It really seems like its something personal.

You're in a safe place here....point out on the doll where he touched you.:devil:

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Too far?

[Beefster]

He's making a damn sight better job of running the country than messers Blair and Brown ever did!....even with no money to play around with!...due to messers Blair and Brown!!...and other things which have nothing to with him or the present UK Government!

I'm a natural Tory but Cameron is useless. He's not running the country, he's reacting to events and making stuff up as he goes along in the worst traditions of Gordon Brown. No vision, no plan, no clue.

It almost makes me nostalgic for the happy, early, days of Blair, when he at least knew what he wanted to achieve and was pro-active in getting it done.

[magpie1892]

Hasn't it always been like this? The political class drawn from a narrow 'elite'?

No, not really Si. I think Cameron is slime incarnate but look at the leader of the opposition: PPE @ Oxford, SpAd, policy wonk, safe seat; utterly useless for anything - no concept (same for Cameron/Clegg/Osborne, of course) of what the UK needs. Looking a good shout to be the next PM as well.

We need politicians - about 300, which is the max number of MPs we require - who've actually done something at the coalface. It doesn't matter what that 'something' is - Heseltine built a multi-million publishing company from scratch, Alan Johnson, a postman. It really doesn't make any difference, you need - and the electorate wants - politicians who have some concept of the UK in which we live.

Taxes are on the verge of kleptocratic - I had to move to the Netherlands just to retain that bit more of the money I earn.

[yeezus.]

He's definitely ruining the country. As for the coverage on the story of leaving his daughter behind at the pub, it was all a bit overblown. On ITV news last night they interviewed Eric Pickles and a lady from mumsnet about it.. I'm beginning to think David Cameron may just be human.

[da-robster]

It's a non-story. Probably spins in Cameron's favour in fact.

I'd say this is quite likely if the story is emphasised (which it won't be because its not very interesting) actually, sort of similar to bigotgate, where the press banging on about a personal failing makes a politician perceived to be out of touch seem more real.

[RyeSloan]

He's definitely ruining the country. As for the coverage on the story of leaving his daughter behind at the pub, it was all a bit overblown. On ITV news last night they interviewed Eric Pickles and a lady from mumsnet about it.. I'm beginning to think David Cameron may just be human.

Really, definitely, without doubt the country is being ruined by Cameron!?!

What actions has he taken that have directly led to this ruination and what criteria are you using to measure this ongoing ruination that you speak of?

[yeezus.]

Really, definitely, without doubt the country is being ruined by Cameron!?!

What actions has he taken that have directly led to this ruination and what criteria are you using to measure this ongoing ruination that you speak of?

Hold on, I'll have the 2,000 word essay finished by Monday.

[lyonhibs]

Hold on, I'll have the 2,000 word essay finished by Monday.

36 hours to go.

Am looking forward to it, because - instinctively I agree with you, but really need a clear justification of how I can pin it all entirely on that shiny faced, slimy Tory bawbag.

[yeezus.]

36 hours to go.

Am looking forward to it, because - instinctively I agree with you, but really need a clear justification of how I can pin it all entirely on that shiny faced, slimy Tory bawbag.

I'll submit my essay by private mail.

The recovery is officially non-existent, we are now at a point where the suicide rate is increasing as a result of cuts in help to the mentally disabled. Things have got worse economically since the coalition began to cut public services and make it harder for people to get into work.

David Cameron has embarked on a programme of making the wrong people pay for the financial crisis. With a bit of luck, in 2014, we will be an independent country and will never have to suffer the Tories again.

Saor alba

[Beefster]

we are now at a point where the suicide rate is increasing as a result of cuts in help to the mentally disabled

Which study did you get this from? Can I have a link to it please?

[yeezus.]

Which study did you get this from? Can I have a link to it please?

Aye no bother. I know your naturally a Tory, but this is beyond defense (as is Louise Mensch's defense of a newspaper than hacked a dead girl's phone).

Here is a link from the Daily Hate's page: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149663/Shock-15-rise-suicides-recession-unemployment-bankruptcy-toll.html

here is the report from the Samaritans page:http://www.samaritans.org/pdf/Samaritans%20Suicide%20Statistics%20Report%202011. pdf

Bring on independence.

[marinello59]

I'll submit my essay by private mail.

The recovery is officially non-existent, we are now at a point where the suicide rate is increasing as a result of cuts in help to the mentally disabled. Things have got worse economically since the coalition began to cut public services and make it harder for people to get into work.

David Cameron has embarked on a programme of making the wrong people pay for the financial crisis. With a bit of luck, in 2014, we will be an independent country and will never have to suffer the Tories again.

Saor alba


Aye no bother. I know your naturally a Tory, but this is beyond defense (as is Louise Mensch's defense of a newspaper than hacked a dead girl's phone).

Here is a link from the Daily Hate's page: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149663/Shock-15-rise-suicides-recession-unemployment-bankruptcy-toll.html

here is the report from the Samaritans page:http://www.samaritans.org/pdf/Samaritans%20Suicide%20Statistics%20Report%202011. pdf

Bring on independence.

Are you sure your analysis is based on the articles you have quoted?

[Beefster]

Aye no bother....some soundbites.....

Here is a link from the Daily Hate's page: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149663/Shock-15-rise-suicides-recession-unemployment-bankruptcy-toll.html

here is the report from the Samaritans page:http://www.samaritans.org/pdf/Samaritans%20Suicide%20Statistics%20Report%202011. pdf

...another soundbite....

I don't think that either of the 'studies' you provided mentions benefits cuts, never mind cuts in help to the disabled, in relation to any rise in suicides. Is it as I suspected that you're actually talking pish again?

"Last night, experts and campaigners blamed sky-high rates of unemployment, home repossessions and personal bankruptcy for the grim toll."

I do love the irony of you using the Daily Mail, a paper that even I wouldn't touch or trust, as 'evidence' though.

[steakbake]

Is David Cameron single handedly responsible for suicide rates? I'm not so sure you can lay the blame at his door.

Does he have a difficult job? Yes. Is he up to it? Doesn't seem to be, but which one of these donkeys is likely to do any better, I ask you.

[Kato]

Aye no bother. I know your naturally a Tory, but this is beyond defense (as is Louise Mensch's defense of a newspaper than hacked a dead girl's phone).

Here is a link from the Daily Hate's page: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149663/Shock-15-rise-suicides-recession-unemployment-bankruptcy-toll.html

here is the report from the Samaritans page:http://www.samaritans.org/pdf/Samaritans%20Suicide%20Statistics%20Report%202011. pdf

Bring on independence.

I'm no lover of the Tories or Cameron but you have to do better than that man.

What difference would independence make to the recession?

[(((Fergus)))]

I'm no lover of the Tories or Cameron but you have to do better than that man.

What difference would independence make to the recession?

We would be secure within the eurozone and our dole would be ring-fenced.

[yeezus.]

I'm no lover of the Tories or Cameron but you have to do better than that man.

What difference would independence make to the recession?

It's going to have a huge impact. I'm relating to the current programme of austerity that isn't working and is being implemented by a government we didn't vote for.

If Scotland had full control over our own wealth we would be one of the wealthiest countries in Europe. Scotland's exports rose nearly 14% in 2009/10 while the UK's as a whole rose just 0.5%. We send billions of pounds in oil wealth to London to be spent on illegal wars and don't get our fair share back.

We may need to take our share of the budget deficit with us as an independent country, but it wouldn't take very long for us to pay it off.

[yeezus.]

I don't think that either of the 'studies' you provided mentions benefits cuts, never mind cuts in help to the disabled, in relation to any rise in suicides. Is it as I suspected that you're actually talking pish again?

"Last night, experts and campaigners blamed sky-high rates of unemployment, home repossessions and personal bankruptcy for the grim toll."

I do love the irony of you using the Daily Mail, a paper that even I wouldn't touch or trust, as 'evidence' though.

The wrong people are paying for the crisis and job cuts ultimately lead to unemployment.

How can you defend cuts to the disabled or are you just unaware? Disability living allowance is being cut by £2.17 billion.

Go on, defend the Conservative party.

[Beefster]

The wrong people are paying for the crisis and job cuts ultimately lead to unemployment.

How can you defend cuts to the disabled or are you just unaware? Disability living allowance is being cut by £2.17 billion.

Go on, defend the Conservative party.

You're one of these posters who doesn't read what is posted by others before going off on one of your cliche-ridden rants. I didn't attempt to defend anything in response to your post. I just asked you to back up the pish you spouted. You failed completely, confirming my opinion (although I doubt that I'm alone in having that opinion) that you will generally make up whatever it takes to get across your [usually false] sound-bites.

[Kato]

It's going to have a huge impact. I'm relating to the current programme of austerity that isn't working and is being implemented by a government we didn't vote for.

If Scotland had full control over our own wealth we would be one of the wealthiest countries in Europe. Scotland's exports rose nearly 14% in 2009/10 while the UK's as a whole rose just 0.5%. We send billions of pounds in oil wealth to London to be spent on illegal wars and don't get our fair share back.

We may need to take our share of the budget deficit with us as an independent country, but it wouldn't take very long for us to pay it off.
What about disabled and unemployed people in England? Does "oil money" not help them out?

Do you want to cast them adrift or do you believe every penny from oil revenue is guzzled up by the UK's military?

[Kato]

We would be secure within the eurozone and our dole would be ring-fenced.

Baa-Ding-Tssss!!!

Fergus is here all week folks. Don't forget bingo starts at 9 sharp and our Rod Stewart Tribute, Tod Stewart is straight after.

[RyeSloan]

It's going to have a huge impact. I'm relating to the current programme of austerity that isn't working and is being implemented by a government we didn't vote for.

If Scotland had full control over our own wealth we would be one of the wealthiest countries in Europe. Scotland's exports rose nearly 14% in 2009/10 while the UK's as a whole rose just 0.5%. We send billions of pounds in oil wealth to London to be spent on illegal wars and don't get our fair share back.

We may need to take our share of the budget deficit with us as an independent country, but it wouldn't take very long for us to pay it off.

Total nonsense. For staters it would be our share of the UK national debt not the budget deficit....a rather significant difference.

There is also hugely varying estimates of what Scotlands share of the debt would be...depending on how it's calculated (population, geographic coverage, historic spending, future liabilities etc etc) however even taking what would seem to be quite a conservative figure it would appear to be expected to be around £100bn.

Depending on what you consider "not very long"...lets be generous and say a decade..that would indicate a £10bn budget surplus each and every year.

Seriously, really do you actually believe that's likely?

[Mon Dieu4]

Total nonsense. For staters it would be our share of the UK national debt not the budget deficit....a rather significant difference.

There is also hugely varying estimates of what Scotlands share of the debt would be...depending on how it's calculated (population, geographic coverage, historic spending, future liabilities etc etc) however even taking what would seem to be quite a conservative figure it would appear to be expected to be around £100bn.

Depending on what you consider "not very long"...lets be generous and say a decade..that would indicate a £10bn budget surplus each and every year.

Seriously, really do you actually believe that's likely?

we offer them 1p in the pound and if they don't accept it we start a NewCountry called SevScotland 1314 and apply to the EU, we are the EU and they would never turn us down, hang on a minute gas this been tried before???

[yeezus.]

You're one of these posters who doesn't read what is posted by others before going off on one of your cliche-ridden rants. I didn't attempt to defend anything in response to your post. I just asked you to back up the pish you spouted. You failed completely, confirming my opinion (although I doubt that I'm alone in having that opinion) that you will generally make up whatever it takes to get across your [usually false] sound-bites.

You just come across as a bit of a wind up, there's no substance to your posts, you asked for evidence and them dismiss them as soundbites? Typical Tory.

[yeezus.]

What about disabled and unemployed people in England? Does "oil money" not help them out?

Do you want to cast them adrift or do you believe every penny from oil revenue is guzzled up by the UK's military?

Of course it does but I'd like to see Scotland's wealth go towards something that is worth spending money on - maybe the large amount of unemployed Scots for example. Let's hope we have our own borrowing powers soon.

[Beefster]

You just come across as a bit of a wind up, there's no substance to your posts, you asked for evidence and them dismiss them as soundbites? Typical Tory.

I had about 10 different replies ready but, to be honest, you're that deluded that I'm bored trying to get some sensible debate out of you.

[Kato]

Of course it does but I'd like to see Scotland's wealth go towards something that is worth spending money on - maybe the large amount of unemployed Scots for example. Let's hope we have our own borrowing powers soon.

Sorry but I find your posts a bit confusing at times and amost always raise more questions than haev been answered.

You say that money spent on the disabled/unemployed is only "worth spending" if spent on Scottish people who are disabled/unemployed. Does this mean English disabled/unemployed people aren't worth spending money on?

How would you spend the money on Scotland's unemployed? Where would the money go?

If we have so much wealth why the need to borrow?

I thought Socialists were supposed to be of an Internationalist bent. When you mix Socialism with Nationalism you know what get, don't you? It has a moustache, shouts a lot and makes funny salutes.

[RyeSloan]

You just come across as a bit of a wind up, there's no substance to your posts, you asked for evidence and them dismiss them as soundbites? Typical Tory.


Of course it does but I'd like to see Scotland's wealth go towards something that is worth spending money on - maybe the large amount of unemployed Scots for example. Let's hope we have our own borrowing powers soon.

"suicide rate is increasing as a result of cuts in help to the mentally disabled"

"We may need to take our share of the budget deficit with us as an independent country, but it wouldn't take very long for us to pay it off."

So what substance are you providing with these comments?

Did you actually provide any evidence that the increase in suicide was directly related to cuts in help to the mentally disabled?

Did you bother to respond to a request to clarify your inaccurate and some what suprising claim that Scotland would be able to pay off any national debt quite easily?


Not only that you now go on to say that spending Scotlands wealth on the unemployed is they way to go and that we should borrow to do so....any chance you can explain that statement...why is it sensible to give the nations wealth to the unemployed and if we have so much money to pay down the national debt why would we need to borrow to do so and just so we are clear on your point I would appeciate if you could provide some rationale on why borrowing to pay unemployment benefit would be a sensible long term aim for Scotland to be pursuing.