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sevenzero
01-06-2012, 08:39 PM
Talking about the chances of us getting Mcpake in permanently with a couple of fellow hibbies and has turned into a bit of a debate on wages that we pay , was wondering what people reckon have been our highest wages the past couple of years, one mate thinks weve paid a few players 4-5k, stokes etc., I reckon our max wage is about 1.5k, made more appealing with big win bonuses?

Andy74
01-06-2012, 08:41 PM
Talking about the chances of us getting Mcpake in permanently with a couple of fellow hibbies and has turned into a bit of a debate on wages that we pay , was wondering what people reckon have been our highest wages the past couple of years, one mate thinks weve paid a few players 4-5k, stokes etc., I reckon our max wage is about 1.5k, made more appealing with big win bonuses?

Nearer your mates figures.

Baldy Foghorn
01-06-2012, 08:52 PM
Talking about the chances of us getting Mcpake in permanently with a couple of fellow hibbies and has turned into a bit of a debate on wages that we pay , was wondering what people reckon have been our highest wages the past couple of years, one mate thinks weve paid a few players 4-5k, stokes etc., I reckon our max wage is about 1.5k, made more appealing with big win bonuses?

We must have saved fortunes, not having to pay much in win bonuses.....

Brooster
01-06-2012, 09:07 PM
Sevenzero is almost spot on although the win bonuses are not big.

IWasThere2016
01-06-2012, 09:19 PM
Sevenzero is almost spot on although the win bonuses are not big.

:agree:

Allant1981
01-06-2012, 09:21 PM
I know for a fact that one of the young guys in our team who many discuss on here was on £800 per wk 2 seasons ago so i reckon some of the squad will be on a lot more than that

Sumner
01-06-2012, 09:26 PM
... they should think themselves LUCKY..

.. The money is needed for the SUITS.. you know pushers of the pen,
counters of the (diminishing beans).. there's a squadron of those folks
to support... players? players? they should think themselves lucky..
no certificates in business.. or marketing.. or tashes.. come ON
they don't even have a TASHE amongst them, damn their well-paid oily hides!!!

Andy74
01-06-2012, 10:09 PM
Does anyone think we got the likes of Stokes, Miller, De Graaf, Riordan and O'Connor on a max of £1500 per week? We pay better than that at the higher end.

blackpoolhibs
01-06-2012, 10:13 PM
Does anyone think we got the likes of Stokes, Miller, De Graaf, Riordan and O'Connor on a max of £1500 per week? We pay better than that at the higher end.

I was told last season O'Connor signed for much less than £1500 a week, and the guy that told me was pretty certain his information was correct. :wink:

Andy74
01-06-2012, 10:17 PM
I was told last season O'Connor signed for much less than £1500 a week, and the guy that told me was pretty certain his information was correct. :wink:

Aye, you'll believe anything!

blackpoolhibs
01-06-2012, 10:20 PM
Aye, you'll believe anything!

Thats true, i actually believed it when someone told me this was the year. :boo hoo:

Albion Hibs
01-06-2012, 10:24 PM
Does anyone think we got the likes of Stokes, Miller, De Graaf, Riordan and O'Connor on a max of £1500 per week? We pay better than that at the higher end.

The ones in bold we did not, the others we did. Reluctantly I will have to agree with BH on the O'Connor one!!

IWasThere2016
01-06-2012, 10:25 PM
Does anyone think we got the likes of Stokes, Miller, De Graaf, Riordan and O'Connor on a max of £1500 per week? We pay better than that at the higher end.

We did - but we no longer do (that includes GOC).

Our cash position is poor, we have incurred a heavy loss also

Dirkster23
01-06-2012, 10:25 PM
Does anyone think we got the likes of Stokes, Miller, De Graaf, Riordan and O'Connor on a max of £1500 per week? We pay better than that at the higher end.

Was EDG not supposed to be on around £3,000 p/w? If guys like Stokes, Riordan and O'Connor were only on £1,500 p/w i'm sure they received large signing on fees.

blackpoolhibs
01-06-2012, 10:26 PM
Was EDG not supposed to be on around £3,000 p/w? If guys like Stokes, Riordan and O'Connor were only on £1,500 p/w i'm sure they received large signing on fees.

O'Connor £800 i kid you not.

.Sean.
01-06-2012, 10:29 PM
I was told last season O'Connor signed for much less than £1500 a week, and the guy that told me was pretty certain his information was correct. :wink:

No chance.

FRes Hibbie
01-06-2012, 10:43 PM
O'Connor £800 i kid you not.

That'll be right :rolleyes:

sadtom
02-06-2012, 01:17 AM
Think there is quite a bit of mythology/kidology about our wages. I remember at the time of the Thomson/Broony speculation their original agent was on real radio and explicitly stated that Hibs did not have a wage 'ceiling' and that both players were on more than 2k a week.
At the time of the better Sky deal and when our wages to turnover ratio exceed the recomended percentage Latapy, i believe, was on 5k a week and Le God's 2nd deal was approx 7k per week.

I'd guess G O'C would have been on a 2k basic minimum.
I know for sure that Kujabi is on £800 per week plus appearances and win bonuses (hope he didn't rely on them) which could have virtually doubled his basic (1.5 k).

smurf
02-06-2012, 01:20 AM
We did - but we no longer do (that includes GOC).

Our cash position is poor, we have incurred a heavy loss also

Utter incompetent senior management.

Lucius Apuleius
02-06-2012, 05:19 AM
O'Connor £800 i kid you not.

So less than two night's coke? Wow. No wonder he allegedly tried a bit of insurance fraud as well.

Kaiser1962
02-06-2012, 06:36 AM
We did - but we no longer do (that includes GOC).

Our cash position is poor, we have incurred a heavy loss also


I think everyone's "cash position" is poor TQM.

Its our "league position" thats the cause for concern.

Beefster
02-06-2012, 07:01 AM
There isn't half some ***** sprafed on here sometimes.

jdships
02-06-2012, 07:52 AM
I was told last season O'Connor signed for much less than £1500 a week, and the guy that told me was pretty certain his information was correct. :wink:

I was also told from the burger van outside EM he was on £3000 per week .
Pays yer money etc. !!
I do know of two u21's who are on or about £1000 per week ( all in)

NORTHERNHIBBY
02-06-2012, 08:04 AM
O'Connor £800 i kid you not.

I don't think that the money on offer was a factor in GOC signing for us, in fact I think it was completely irrelevant. When you are trying paint a picture, to "authourity" figures, " In gainfull employment" is always a biggie.

blackpoolhibs
02-06-2012, 08:40 AM
I was also told from the burger van outside EM he was on £3000 per week .
Pays yer money etc. !!
I do know of two u21's who are on or about £1000 per week ( all in)


O'Connor will obviously have certain bonuses to add on, but the basic wage without them is pretty poor for a footballer, but very decent for someone who needed a club to get his career back on track. :wink:

jonny
02-06-2012, 08:51 AM
The info on this link would suggest the average 1st team player earned just over £3200 a week a couple of seasons ago - unsure if that includes bonuses but I'd imagine it does. If that was the average then Id expect it to be much the same, maybe a wee bit less now. Top earners maybe on about £3500-£4000.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/datablog/2012/may/03/football-barcelona-madrid-wages#data

Dirkster23
02-06-2012, 10:17 AM
O'Connor £800 i kid you not.

If RP managed to get GOC for £800 p/w he should be congratulated :agree:

Fergus52
02-06-2012, 10:19 AM
The info on this link would suggest the average 1st team player earned just over £3200 a week a couple of seasons ago - unsure if that includes bonuses but I'd imagine it does. If that was the average then Id expect it to be much the same, maybe a wee bit less now. Top earners maybe on about £3500-£4000.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/datablog/2012/may/03/football-barcelona-madrid-wages#data


Someone posted a table from another website of SPL wages in the 2010-11 season and the hibs figure was the same as that i think

Eyrie
02-06-2012, 11:04 AM
The info on this link would suggest the average 1st team player earned just over £3200 a week a couple of seasons ago - unsure if that includes bonuses but I'd imagine it does. If that was the average then Id expect it to be much the same, maybe a wee bit less now. Top earners maybe on about £3500-£4000.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/datablog/2012/may/03/football-barcelona-madrid-wages#data

That table doesn't look right to me. According to our latest accounts the total wages bill in both of the years ending 31 July 2010 and 2011 was £4.26m, so to pay an average wage of £172,728 we would have about 24 players. However the accounts also show approximately 100 employees (including coaches, youth players, admin, shop etc). Consequently a fair proportion of that £4.26m does not relate to first team players, which brings down the average substantially.

lucky
02-06-2012, 11:25 AM
[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;3252365]O'Connor £800 i kid you not.[/QU
Dont think he was on that. His lawyer this week in court described him as a high earner. So £40k a year is not high earnings

blackpoolhibs
02-06-2012, 11:27 AM
[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;3252365]O'Connor £800 i kid you not.[/QU
Dont think he was on that. His lawyer this week in court described him as a high earner. So £40k a year is not high earnings

£40k PLUS BONUSES a year are high earnings compared to the national average.

hopefulhibby
02-06-2012, 12:55 PM
Sevenzero is almost spot on although the win bonuses are not big.
600 quid per win is what i heard

hopefulhibby
02-06-2012, 01:00 PM
Does anyone think we got the likes of Stokes, Miller, De Graaf, Riordan and O'Connor on a max of £1500 per week? We pay better than that at the higher end.
I would say we have 3/4 players on 3k per week and the rest average out at 1500pw, problem is are we going to be able to attract players?

blackpoolhibs
02-06-2012, 01:04 PM
[QUOTE=blackpoolhibs;3252686]

His bonuses this would be low. Vs.t compare average wage with footballers.

English please? :confused:

silverhibee
02-06-2012, 01:31 PM
Does anyone think we got the likes of Stokes, Miller, De Graaf, Riordan and O'Connor on a max of £1500 per week? We pay better than that at the higher end.


Not anymore do we pay those kind of wages that these players were getting.

lucky
02-06-2012, 03:16 PM
[QUOTE=lucky;3252754]

English please? :confused:

Bloody phone lol

coco mc
02-06-2012, 04:58 PM
I was told last season O'Connor signed for much less than £1500 a week, and the guy that told me was pretty certain his information was correct. :wink:

I heard this also but that we were servicing his debt / mortgages etc

yekimevol
02-06-2012, 10:08 PM
the highest we pay is about 4k. thou i cant think of many who deserve it in last seasons team.

silverhibee
03-06-2012, 12:36 AM
the highest we pay is about 4k. thou i cant think of many who deserve it in last seasons team.

No chance do we pay that as a basic wage to any player at Hibs.

calumb
03-06-2012, 03:39 AM
I thought we were paying out around 4.5 million a year in wages so you have to wonder where its going if the first team squad are only being paid 800 to 1500 a week.

dirtydirk
03-06-2012, 04:08 AM
Brooster and sevenzero are spot on. As negative as it seems I doubt any player will be on more than a basic of £1500 per week. Changed times I remember being told when we signed Barry lavety he was on £5k a week. A few years later we were in debt by 7 million. Crazy money

IWasThere2016
03-06-2012, 04:51 AM
No chance do we pay that as a basic wage to any player at Hibs.

Correct. No chance whatsoever.

IWasThere2016
03-06-2012, 04:58 AM
I thought we were paying out around 4.5 million a year in wages so you have to wonder where its going if the first team squad are only being paid 800 to 1500 a week.

You can remove 0.5 for NI + some pensions. That figure will also include compensation paid to a manager(s) and players we (seem constantly to) release. How many are on the payroll - first team, board, 19s, medic, physio, coaches, grounds, admin, shop, EM, community, scouting team, marketing, ticket office etc etc .. We do not pay 3/4 k a week to players.

Eyrie
03-06-2012, 10:06 AM
The numbers are on page 13 of the accounts for the year ended 31 July 2011 (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?219788-The-Accounts-To-31st-July-2011-See-Them-Here).

We had 71 football staff and 31 commercial and administration. Gross wages (excluding employer national insurance and pension contributions) were £4.265m and £408k of that was for five directors. Those numbers are very similar to the previous year 2010, with the exception of a fall in the directors remuneration of £85k.

calumb
03-06-2012, 02:42 PM
The numbers are on page 13 of the accounts for the year ended 31 July 2011 (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?219788-The-Accounts-To-31st-July-2011-See-Them-Here).

We had 71 football staff and 31 commercial and administration. Gross wages (excluding employer national insurance and pension contributions) were £4.265m and £408k of that was for five directors. Those numbers are very similar to the previous year 2010, with the exception of a fall in the directors remuneration of £85k.

There lies the problem, we have 60 -70 players on the books for 2 teams, why? we can only give 22 a game. No wonder we hear stories about players not being happy with training methods etc when two thirds of the players at the club wont get picked for the next match.

We could be paying guys 3- 4 k a week and beating the likes of Motherwell/Aberdeen to sign players if we were not paying for a whole load of hangers on to do nothing.

Eyrie
03-06-2012, 03:21 PM
No idea how the figure breaks down, but I agree that the first team squad should be around 20-22 players, with a similar number in the u20s who can be drafted in when needed and a couple out on loan. Say 45 players in total, plus coaches and other backroom staff. I'm also wondering if groundstaff are included as "football".

Mibbes Aye
03-06-2012, 03:24 PM
There lies the problem, we have 60 -70 players on the books for 2 teams, why? we can only give 22 a game. No wonder we hear stories about players not being happy with training methods etc when two thirds of the players at the club wont get picked for the next match.

We could be paying guys 3- 4 k a week and beating the likes of Motherwell/Aberdeen to sign players if we were not paying for a whole load of hangers on to do nothing.

The figure of 71 staff quoted will include coaching staff, possibly scouts, physio etc.

And not wishing to sound too pedantic but we can give 28 a game, not 22, and that doesn't include a couple of sub keepers who will rarely have to come on, but need to be on the bench, plus another couple of non-playing subs to give us a fuller range of options during the match. Then you've got a few younger players, promoted up and learning the ropes, or potentially out on loan.

From memory we don't seem ridiculously over-staffed in comparison to previous points in the last twenty years or so, but at heart I agree with your point - we can't afford to have passengers.

BEEJ
03-06-2012, 07:14 PM
There lies the problem, we have 60 -70 players on the books for 2 teams, why?
No, we don't.

Closer to 50 players across first team and U-20s; and that figure inflated as a result of PF having to draft in short-term loan players for the last 5 months of last season.

blackpoolhibs
03-06-2012, 10:26 PM
Whats the minimum amount of players would we need to run a 1st team and under 19's, or is it 20's now?

cabbageandribs1875
03-06-2012, 10:54 PM
There lies the problem, we have 60 -70 players on the books for 2 teams, why? we can only give 22 a game. No wonder we hear stories about players not being happy with training methods etc when two thirds of the players at the club wont get picked for the next match.

We could be paying guys 3- 4 k a week and beating the likes of Motherwell/Aberdeen to sign players if we were not paying for a whole load of hangers on to do nothing.



behave

WindyMiller
04-06-2012, 07:28 AM
behave

I know there's a few listed below that are being released,but there are players who played last year whose names have been removed. There's quite a few players to be added to these lists before the start of the season.


http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/PlayerProfileIndex/0,,10290,00.html

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/Under19sIndex/0,,10290,00.html

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/CoachingStaff/0,,10290,00.html

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/Academy/0,,10290,00.html

Caversham Green
04-06-2012, 07:52 AM
To put some context on the staff numbers, in 2010-11 Hibs had 71 football staff and 31 commercial & admin - total 102.
Aberdeen (2010-11) had 46 players, 10 football management, 23 scouting & youth development and 24 commercial & admin - total 111.
Dundee United (2009-10) had 63 football staff, 8 ground staff and 26 admin & management - total 97.
Hearts (2010-2011) had 110 players and coaching staff, 47 admin & commercial and 10 'other' - total 167.

That's how the staffing numbers are described in the respective accounts but I suspect there's some overlap of the likes of ground staff and scouting between football and commercial and admin.

cocopops1875
04-06-2012, 08:02 AM
So staff numbers are roughly what they should be/expected to be for a club of our size

WindyMiller
04-06-2012, 08:21 AM
So staff numbers are roughly what they should be/expected to be for a club of our size


The Pope's a Kaflik.

:cb

cabbageandribs1875
04-06-2012, 12:06 PM
I know there's a few listed below that are being released,but there are players who played last year whose names have been removed. There's quite a few players to be added to these lists before the start of the season.


http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/PlayerProfileIndex/0,,10290,00.html

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/Under19sIndex/0,,10290,00.html

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/CoachingStaff/0,,10290,00.html

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/page/Academy/0,,10290,00.html


yes, but he said we had 60-70 players ? if we have anything near 60-70 players on our books then that's a whole lot of dosh needed, the link put up above by cav states aberdeen had 46 players, now THAT is an appropriate amount for us imo :dunno:

Caversham Green
04-06-2012, 12:32 PM
yes, but he said we had 60-70 players ? if we have anything near 60-70 players on our books then that's a whole lot of dosh needed, the link put up above by cav states aberdeen had 46 players, now THAT is an appropriate amount for us imo :dunno:

But on top of that Aberdeen had 10 football management and 23 scouting & youth development staff that would probably fall into the Hibs football category - that's a total of 79 to hibs 71. As I touched on, I have a feeling that some of Hibs scouting & youth development might fall into commercial & admin but there's no way of knowing - all in all the numbers are not much different between the two clubs.

The more astute readers may have noticed that my numbers for Aberdeen don't add up to 111. That's because I missed out maintenance staff of 8.

WindyMiller
04-06-2012, 03:54 PM
But on top of that Aberdeen had 10 football management and 23 scouting & youth development staff that would probably fall into the Hibs football category - that's a total of 79 to hibs 71. As I touched on, I have a feeling that some of Hibs scouting & youth development might fall into commercial & admin but there's no way of knowing - all in all the numbers are not much different between the two clubs.

The more astute readers may have noticed that my numbers for Aberdeen don't add up to 111. That's because I missed out maintenance staff of 8.


We all noticed CG but we know you can get a bit touchy :dummytit: when your corrected.


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