Contract decisions: Murray, Taggart, Welsh and Stack released (merged)

[Spudster]

His Facebook message would bring a tear to a glass eye

Good luck and all the best stacky
Got a link to it or able to cut and paste it?

[Carheenlea]

Got a link to it or able to cut and paste it?

It`s on the previous page in this thread.

[hopefulhibby]

Infuriated me at times by staying on his line rather than stepping out, but you could never fault his commitment. Excellent shot stopper, I'm sad to see him go.

Thanks Stacky, hope you get a move to a good club.
Thought he always put the effort in and was a strong personality and that may have contributed to his release, best of luck to a good lad

[Albion Hibs]

I would have thought it wont be too long before the likes of O'Hanlon and Scott are announced as leaving the club.

[Heckys Wheel]

His Facebook message would bring a tear to a glass eye

Good luck and all the best stacky

Agreed.

Maybe best for him to move in but I'll never celebrate guys leaving that genuinely love the club.

Like Murray and Sproule, Hibs don't have room for them at this point of their careers but I'll tell you what, if our team last Saturday had been made up of Stacks, Murray's and Sproules, we'd be reading about a different score line.

All the best to all three of them. Each would run through a brick wall for Hibs and we shouldn't take that for granted.

[Spudster]

It`s on the previous page in this thread.

:doh:

[12AlbionPlace]

Apologies if its been mentioned elsewhere

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18183073

[hibsbollah]

Apologies if its been mentioned elsewhere

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18183073

Good decision re Stack. Leaves with my best wishes.

[IberianHibernian]

Sorry to see Stack go and think we`ll struggle to find a better keeper for next season but understand possible reasons ( injuries , offfield incidents , financial ..) . At game we won at Inverness in April , I noticed he was the only player who seemed to talk to teammates - important we sign new goalie (s) who are good goalies but also aren`t afraid to have a go at defenders . Time to sign an experienced goalie ( mid 30s ) and another a bit younger till Grant or Antell are ready .

[Gez1875]

i read an article about 5 mins ago with graham stack, he says he was told a month ago he would get a new deal, he went on holiday with his familly but when he came back he was told the option wasn't available to the club anymore...... he then goes on to say he thinks he has an idea why they have done this but doesn't want to start an argument, so refrains from saying anything more on the subject.......any idea what this could be?????

[The_Horde]

Link?

[silverhibee]

i read an article about 5 mins ago with graham stack, he says he was told a month ago he would get a new deal, he went on holiday with his familly but when he came back he was told the option wasn't available to the club anymore...... he then goes on to say he thinks he has an idea why they have done this but doesn't want to start an argument, so refrains from saying anything more on the subject.......any idea what this could be?????


Where is the article to read. :aok:

[Gez1875]

sorry....
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/graham-stack-upbeat-despite-no-hibs-deal-1-2313767

[Leishy1995]

I read a few lines and saw 'the Englishman' and I always thought stack was Irish. The story itself is really not revealing much.

[silverhibee]

sorry....
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/graham-stack-upbeat-despite-no-hibs-deal-1-2313767


He should just have said what the problem was rather than teasing with that bit about not wanting to get in to an argument.

[matty_f]

It's poor that he was expecting a deal only to be told otherwise after his holiday.

[Gez1875]

I read a few lines and saw 'the Englishman' and I always thought stack was Irish. The story itself is really not revealing much.

he's english born. yeah i know, just wondering if anyone knew anything about it.

[HibeeMG]

The scenario's that I can think of:

i) the Cup Final has focussed the managers and board's mind about what they need to do. They have decided that they are going to clear out more players than they'd previously thought. Stack had previously made the cut but after the Cup Final, didn't.

ii) a new, better keeper is on his way that had previously not been on the radar.

[Gmack7]

i like option 2 better

[Gez1875]

ive been thinking about this and i think i might have a possible answer for this.............stack is by far a better keeper than mark brown...agreed? maybe fenlon had knew he was getting rid of stack but wanted him to think he had a future at the club, in case he was fit enough to play in the final, but because stack wasnt ready he led mark brown to believe he was playing for a contract, brown also getting shown the door in the next few days. also stack thinking he might have a contract could have possibly spurred him on quicker through his injury.
just a thought.

[Iain G]

What's wrong with the theory that he's actually not good enough and has been rather prone to injury during his time with us and the manager thinks that he can get better by freeing up his wages :confused:

It's been so long since we had a good, solid, does the basics well goalkeeper. Stack and Brown are not the answer, hoping Paddy has a better eye for a keeper than Mowbray or Collins or Mixu or Yogi... :agree:

[WellingtonHibby]

His theory is, he realises he isn't up to the standards required of Hibernian FC.
Simples

[Brebners Bookie]

Maybe involved in the bevvy the night of the final? Just a thought.

[Lucius Apuleius]

Must have been a pretty damn short holiday.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Must have been a pretty damn short holiday.

Was on holiday before the final.

[500miles]

Feel sorry for Stacky. Apparently, every flawed keeper is a ***** keeper at Hibs. Of course, since Si Brown, Zibi and, to a lesser extent, Makalamby, every keeper, until we sign Gordon, McGregor or some such keeper, well outwith the sort of talent we have any right to expect, will be *****.

Stack was a decent keeper - shot stopping, good, kicking, ok, but would rather let his centre half deal with crosses and corners - which is fair enough if the centre half is good enough, and prepared to win those battles.

Brown is also a decent keeper. He may not have made a lot of saves lately, but prior to the final, we weren't actually giving much away, and any goals were clinically taken or scrappy. When he was at ICT, he made more saves than any keeper in the league - which isn't exactly the calling card of a poor shot stopper. Cannae kick his own arse, right enough, but a bit better than Stack with deliveries into the box.

IF we had either of these two keepers under TM, we may well have won the Scottish Cup well before now.

[Kris1875]

Coming from the man himself the stumbling block on a new deal was length of contract he wanted 3 years which being the age he is family etc is understandable but I reckon Petrie looked at injury records etc and didn't want to commit to that which again is understandable . FWIW I thought he wasn't too bad a keeper , best we've had for a while and a thoroughly top bloke and I wish him well .

[Lucius Apuleius]

Was on holiday before the final.

Still must have been damned short, unless of course he was on holiday whilst ther est of the team were still playing.

[Hainan Hibs]

Wish Stack well, and it's nice to see him show some class with his message on Facebook.

I do agree with him being let go and I hope it is the first of many. Fenlon really needs to make significant changes and create a team that shares his mentality or we will get nowhere.

[Speedway]

The title of this thread is: Contract decisions: Murray, Taggart, Welsh and Stack released

I keep reading it as: Correct Decisions: Murray, Taggart, Welsh and Stack released.

Seriously.

[matty_f]

The title of this thread is: Contract decisions: Murray, Taggart, Welsh and Stack released

I keep reading it as: Correct Decisions: Murray, Taggart, Welsh and Stack released.

Seriously.

Same here if that's any consolation.

[Craig_in_Prague]

The title of this thread is: Contract decisions: Murray, Taggart, Welsh and Stack released

I keep reading it as: Correct Decisions: Murray, Taggart, Welsh and Stack released.

Seriously.

Spooky! had the same, literally a minute ago when I logged on.

[JimBHibees]

Still must have been damned short, unless of course he was on holiday whilst ther est of the team were still playing.

Maybe went on holiday during the time he couldnt play so he could be fit for the pre-season for whatever club he will be at. These things happen though Fenlon was probably just keeping his options indicating he may get terms however you would need to assume that the manager now has someone lined up that he prefers to Stacky.

[The Green Goblin]

The scenario's that I can think of:

i) the Cup Final has focussed the managers and board's mind about what they need to do. They have decided that they are going to clear out more players than they'd previously thought. Stack had previously made the cut but after the Cup Final, didn't.

ii) a new, better keeper is on his way that had previously not been on the radar.


See, that´s what I have a problem with - the fans have been screaming about this for YEARS but it takes a total humping in the Final to "focus their minds on what they need to do". Not having a go at you btw, it just really irritates me that they only seem to be "waking up" after coming within one game of being relegated and what happened last Saturday.

Players taking drugs, boozing every week, not taking their job seriously, but now that the yams have horsed us 5-1 in front of the whole world and we were 90 minutes from division 1 football, they realise "what they need to do".

It begs the question, what fricking planet have they been on?

GG

[blackpoolhibs]

See, that´s what I have a problem with - the fans have been screaming about this for YEARS but it takes a total humping in the Final to "focus their minds on what they need to do". Not having a go at you btw, it just really irritates me that they only seem to be "waking up" after coming within one game of being relegated and what happened last Saturday.

Players taking drugs, boozing every week, not taking their job seriously, but now that the yams have horsed us 5-1 in front of the whole world and we were 90 minutes from division 1 football, they realise "what they need to do".

It begs the question, what fricking planet have they been on?

GG

Or perhaps this was decided when they sacked calderclown, and has nothing to do with last Saturday?

I dont believe for one minute they are just waking up, maybe its them going in a new direction? They have tried sooking up to old players, players who have fallen on the wayside, players with a bit of baggage.

Maybe the men at the top are at last showing some leadership, change was needed and we still moan about it?:confused:

[PapillonVert]

See, that´s what I have a problem with - the fans have been screaming about this for YEARS but it takes a total humping in the Final to "focus their minds on what they need to do". Not having a go at you btw, it just really irritates me that they only seem to be "waking up" after coming within one game of being relegated and what happened last Saturday.

Players taking drugs, boozing every week, not taking their job seriously, but now that the yams have horsed us 5-1 in front of the whole world and we were 90 minutes from division 1 football, they realise "what they need to do".

It begs the question, what fricking planet have they been on?

GG

Yes, I see what you are saying but it really takes something like this for Hibs actually to start to do something. This really was our nadir, the absolute lowest of the low, total rock bottom. There is nothing that the club can take from this experience other than this is absolute rock bottom and everything has to change.

We start from here - total but absolutely total rock bottom - and we build up however long it takes - and it could be three or four years at least!

[Captain Trips]

See, that´s what I have a problem with - the fans have been screaming about this for YEARS but it takes a total humping in the Final to "focus their minds on what they need to do". Not having a go at you btw, it just really irritates me that they only seem to be "waking up" after coming within one game of being relegated and what happened last Saturday.

Players taking drugs, boozing every week, not taking their job seriously, but now that the yams have horsed us 5-1 in front of the whole world and we were 90 minutes from division 1 football, they realise "what they need to do".

It begs the question, what fricking planet have they been on?

GG


Should the manager not have stamped out this culture on day 1 if he was/is serious? Are you saying that this sort of carry on is/was still happening until very recently?

[The Green Goblin]

Or perhaps this was decided when they sacked calderclown, and has nothing to do with last Saturday?

I dont believe for one minute they are just waking up, maybe its them going in a new direction? They have tried sooking up to old players, players who have fallen on the wayside, players with a bit of baggage.

Maybe the men at the top are at last showing some leadership, change was needed and we still moan about it?:confused:

I'm not complaining about anything positive they do now BH. I am glad they are (hopefully) addressing it properly. Obviously, I hope they succeed. I'm just saying that the same old problems have been there for years but it has taken a near disaster and a total embarrasment to do something about it.

[Eyrie]

Should the manager not have stamped out this culture on day 1 if he was/is serious? Are you saying that this sort of carry on is/was still happening until very recently?

Very difficult for Fenlon to stamp it out on day one when he needed those same players to keep us in the SPL. If he'd upset too many of them then they wouldn't have given a damn about trying on the pitch and we'd be in the First Division.

The situation now is different. There are far more and far better options available in the summer transfer market than the January window, so it is easier to crack down on individuals who lack the necessary professionalism and bring in replacements with the correct attitude.

[S4uzee]

Francomb has signed a 1 year extension with Norwich, quite disappointed wouldn't have minded him returning

[Eyrie]

Francomb has signed a 1 year extension with Norwich, quite disappointed wouldn't have minded him returning

I wonder if we could get him back on a one year loan deal?

[S4uzee]

I wonder if we could get him back on a one year loan deal?

Wouldn't mind that, think he has something to offer and was good at set-pieces. Also seemed to enjoy it and care a lot more than doherty

[matty_f]

I wonder if we could get him back on a one year loan deal?

While I thought he was a decent player, if he wasn't getting a regular start in that side, then we're probably better off looking for better to sign permanently.

[stokesmessiah]

Very difficult for Fenlon to stamp it out on day one when he needed those same players to keep us in the SPL. If he'd upset too many of them then they wouldn't have given a damn about trying on the pitch and we'd be in the First Division.

The situation now is different. There are far more and far better options available in the summer transfer market than the January window, so it is easier to crack down on individuals who lack the necessary professionalism and bring in replacements with the correct attitude.

Correct, what was PF supposed to do dump half the first team and watch us go down. It was pretty clear after the final how he felt the Hibs mentality and the way he has started ditching Players and going after others so quickly means that hopefully we have a manager looking to put together a cohesive professional unit, for once!

[Captain Trips]

Very difficult for Fenlon to stamp it out on day one when he needed those same players to keep us in the SPL. If he'd upset too many of them then they wouldn't have given a damn about trying on the pitch and we'd be in the First Division.

The situation now is different. There are far more and far better options available in the summer transfer market than the January window, so it is easier to crack down on individuals who lack the necessary professionalism and bring in replacements with the correct attitude.

Not difficult, it is his job, so keeping that culture was not just as risky then to our future?

There seems to be an excuse for everything Fenlon has done since coming, oh he cant upset players, or its all CCs fault, or you cant sign good players in January. He should have been on the players attitudes right away knowing he had a transfer window in which he basically got a new team that still failed to perform well.

[gjb1875]

What are you hopeful of then? You have used the speculation about McPake to float your theory that Fenlon lacks respect. That's not stating fact is it?


The fans are behind fenlon and i think bringing in new players will hopefully change the attitude around ER. The players need to show as much commitment and passion as the manager does and we will be fine

[stokesmessiah]

Not difficult, it is his job, so keeping that culture was not just as risky then to our future?

There seems to be an excuse for everything Fenlon has done since coming, oh he cant upset players, or its all CCs fault, or you cant sign good players in January. He should have been on the players attitudes right away knowing he had a transfer window in which he basically got a new team that still failed to perform well.

You have said enough to convince me, lets sack him and get another manager in and we can start sorting our problems.

[ehf]

Stack was a lynchpin of the booze culture and, as a big personality, you can see the influence he would have on younger, more impressionable members of the squad.

We should be employing an agency to run internet searches on any new recruits (Facebook etc) to see what they are really like: that way we will get true professionals who are dedicated to the cause.

[Eyrie]

Not difficult, it is his job, so keeping that culture was not just as risky then to our future?

There seems to be an excuse for everything Fenlon has done since coming, oh he cant upset players, or its all CCs fault, or you cant sign good players in January. He should have been on the players attitudes right away knowing he had a transfer window in which he basically got a new team that still failed to perform well.

Would it be impolite to observe you're the one making excuses to justify wanting rid of Fenlon before he has had a proper opportunity to overhaul the squad? At least the rest of us are willing to give him that opportunity first.

[Captain Trips]

Would it be impolite to observe you're the one making excuses to justify wanting rid of Fenlon before he has had a proper opportunity to overhaul the squad? At least the rest of us are willing to give him that opportunity first.

No as there are no excuses he has failed IMO based on his own performance, I think giving him any further opportunity is a mistake, he has had 6mths of opportunities.

[One Day Soon]

Not difficult, it is his job, so keeping that culture was not just as risky then to our future?

There seems to be an excuse for everything Fenlon has done since coming, oh he cant upset players, or its all CCs fault, or you cant sign good players in January. He should have been on the players attitudes right away knowing he had a transfer window in which he basically got a new team that still failed to perform well.


That's just pretty dubious from start to finish.

So its "Not difficult"? Arguably the greatest and most strong willed manager this country has ever produced - Brian Clough - couldn't get the Leeds Utd players to do what he wanted. You think Fenlon should have waved a magic wand to turn a core group of 'couldn't give a ****' boozers and wasters into model professionals mid season, while on a slide toward relegation, with an angry and sullen support and while the club, like everyone else, was dealing with declining revenue as people tightened their belts?

As the final - and many of the games preceding it under Fenlon and under Claderwood - made clear, those players were stuck in a long term rut rooted in the selfish and self serving behaviour of the worst of them. If Fenlon fronted it up right away he risked losing the dressing room right away. If he didn't then he had to somehow get them to play despite their own serial kneecapping of themselves by their negative behaviour. There is only one way to address stuff like that in any workplace and that is to confront those responsible and then ship them out. That would have been fine if Fenlon had joined us in time for a pre-season to let him find out what was what and then start shipping people and replacing them. But he was brought in mid-season so he was always going to have to wait until now to dump the wasters.

Your apparent denial of the availability of genuine quality players in the January window is belied by both the evidence that the vast majority of clubs prefer to deal a lot less in that window and by what everyone in the game says - which is that the vast majority of quality players are under contract by then.

As for your claim that "he basically got a new team that still failed to perform well" I really wonder how you can justify that. But please do go ahead and name this first eleven that joined in January.

Did Fenlon run over your dog or something?

[Allant1981]

Should the manager not have stamped out this culture on day 1 if he was/is serious? Are you saying that this sort of carry on is/was still happening until very recently?

Your anti PF posts are getting a bit boring now, change the record

[Captain Trips]

That's just pretty dubious from start to finish.

So its "Not difficult"? Arguably the greatest and most strong willed manager this country has ever produced - Brian Clough - couldn't get the Leeds Utd players to do what he wanted. You think Fenlon should have waved a magic wand to turn a core group of 'couldn't give a ****' boozers and wasters into model professionals mid season, while on a slide toward relegation, with an angry and sullen support and while the club, like everyone else, was dealing with declining revenue as people tightened their belts?

As the final - and many of the games preceding it under Fenlon and under Claderwood - made clear, those players were stuck in a long term rut rooted in the selfish and self serving behaviour of the worst of them. If Fenlon fronted it up right away he risked losing the dressing room right away. If he didn't then he had to somehow get them to play despite their own serial kneecapping of themselves by their negative behaviour. There is only one way to address stuff like that in any workplace and that is to confront those responsible and then ship them out. That would have been fine if Fenlon had joined us in time for a pre-season to let him find out what was what and then start shipping people and replacing them. But he was brought in mid-season so he was always going to have to wait until now to dump the wasters.

Your apparent denial of the availability of genuine quality players in the January window is belied by both the evidence that the vast majority of clubs prefer to deal a lot less in that window and by what everyone in the game says - which is that the vast majority of quality players are under contract by then.

As for your claim that "he basically got a new team that still failed to perform well" I really wonder how you can justify that. But please do go ahead and name this first eleven that joined in January.

Did Fenlon run over your dog or something?

Proof of this scale of this boozing not saying not happening? IMO well over hyped these issues so yeah for me fixable.

No denial that it isnt the best time to get players however do you seriously believe he signed players thinking we would finish 11th? He is congratulated for McPake but lets just brush the other 6 or 7 under carpet? Proof that he was thinking in terms of next season in January by offering 3 players contracts taking them into next season, 2 of which do not look up to par.

Ok signing a new team I did not mean literally I meant it in terms of basically the defence/midfield were his and IMO failed to move up the table. You make it that the January window is impossible to get anyone good like it cannot be done, McPake was found and well done but the rest? 1 player out of 6/7 that really performed but he couldnt find 2/3 is that really to much to expect honestly? Would sifinding 2/3 good players out of 6/7 in January not be cause to think the manger had a keen eye? Would only finding 1 or 2 from all he signed at least not be some form of concern?

Am I wrong to expect after making a lot of changes in January we step up, can 6/7 new players be dominated by these so called drinkers etc, who are these players that have this attitude to still influence lots of new players and manager?

[Captain Trips]

Your anti PF posts are getting a bit boring now, change the record

Well do not bother with them then.

[Hibspirational]

That's just pretty dubious from start to finish.

So its "Not difficult"? Arguably the greatest and most strong willed manager this country has ever produced - Brian Clough - couldn't get the Leeds Utd players to do what he wanted. You think Fenlon should have waved a magic wand to turn a core group of 'couldn't give a ****' boozers and wasters into model professionals mid season, while on a slide toward relegation, with an angry and sullen support and while the club, like everyone else, was dealing with declining revenue as people tightened their belts?

As the final - and many of the games preceding it under Fenlon and under Claderwood - made clear, those players were stuck in a long term rut rooted in the selfish and self serving behaviour of the worst of them. If Fenlon fronted it up right away he risked losing the dressing room right away. If he didn't then he had to somehow get them to play despite their own serial kneecapping of themselves by their negative behaviour. There is only one way to address stuff like that in any workplace and that is to confront those responsible and then ship them out. That would have been fine if Fenlon had joined us in time for a pre-season to let him find out what was what and then start shipping people and replacing them. But he was brought in mid-season so he was always going to have to wait until now to dump the wasters.

Your apparent denial of the availability of genuine quality players in the January window is belied by both the evidence that the vast majority of clubs prefer to deal a lot less in that window and by what everyone in the game says - which is that the vast majority of quality players are under contract by then.

As for your claim that "he basically got a new team that still failed to perform well" I really wonder how you can justify that. But please do go ahead and name this first eleven that joined in January.

Did Fenlon run over your dog or something?

:top marks

[Greenio]

Murray's after a move to Australia.

[hiblander]

Murray's after a move to Australia.


Already been son wake up WE WANT PETRIE OUT CAMPAIGN !







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[R'Albin]

Already been son wake up WE WANT PETRIE OUT CAMPAIGN !







:cb:not worth

Err.. What does that have to do with Murray going to Australia?