Hibs V St Johnstone

[heid the baw]

Something to think about for all those who defend Petrie
Here we have 2 clubs who, quite rightly, put proper financial management at the top of the agenda.


Edinburgh : population - 454,280.

Perth: population - 44,820 (meaning it is smaller than Kirkcaldy and about on par with Leith.)


2011 League Attendances

Hibs : overall 223,360 , average 11,755, finished 10th
St Johnstone : overall 72,982 , average 3,841, finished 8th



2012 Attendances
Hibs : overall 188,271 , average 9,909 , finished 11th , top scorer - O’Connor 16 goals
St Johnstone: overall 75,054 , average 4,169, finished 6th , top scorer - Sandaza 18 goals


We lost 35089 paying league customers last year, they gained 2072 (top 6)


Head to Head

They have won 6 of the last 10 league meetings (including a 5-1). There have been 3 draws and 1 Hibs win


Point from Hearts this season (pre split)
Hibs - 0
St Johnstone - 9


Last 2 Managers
St Johnstone : Owen Coyle, Derek McInnes
Hibs: John Hughes, Colin Claderwood


Wage structures, boardroom decisions, forward planning, ambition, vision, a comprehension of footballing matters, scouting structure, coaching staff, club culture? You tell me....


It is staggering to think that a club with such a small fan base can identify players/mangers, motivate players and compete at a higher level that Hibs do presently.

All I know is that had they been in that Cup final against us yesterday, they would have strolled it, and if they had been up against the ****bos, they would have at least made a right good game of it.

[stokesmessiah]

Something to think about for all those who defend Petrie
Here we have 2 clubs who, quite rightly, put proper financial management at the top of the agenda.


Edinburgh : population - 454,280.

Perth: population - 44,820 (meaning it is smaller than Kirkcaldy and about on par with Leith.)


2011 League Attendances

Hibs : overall 223,360 , average 11,755, finished 10th
St Johnstone : overall 72,982 , average 3,841, finished 8th



2012 Attendances
Hibs : overall 188,271 , average 9,909 , finished 11th , top scorer - O’Connor 16 goals
St Johnstone: overall 75,054 , average 4,169, finished 6th , top scorer - Sandaza 18 goals


We lost 35089 paying league customers last year, they gained 2072 (top 6)


Head to Head

They have won 6 of the last 10 league meetings (including a 5-1). There have been 3 draws and 1 Hibs win


Point from Hearts this season (pre split)
Hibs - 0
St Johnstone - 9


Last 2 Managers
St Johnstone : Owen Coyle, Derek McInnes
Hibs: John Hughes, Colin Claderwood


Wage structures, boardroom decisions, forward planning, ambition, vision, a comprehension of footballing matters, scouting structure, coaching staff, club culture? You tell me....


It is staggering to think that a club with such a small fan base can identify players/mangers, motivate players and compete at a higher level that Hibs do presently.

All I know is that had they been in that Cup final against us yesterday, they would have strolled it, and if they had been up against the ****bos, they would have at least made a righht good game of it.

No denying they have had a good run of it of late but i think to take a couple of their good seasons and hold them up against a couple of our bad seasons is a pretty stupid way to measure something. Also taking one bad and comparing it to a good you can get the stats to say what you like. I appreciate the effort gone in to collating the info but as an experiment it doesnt really work.

[Hibercelona]

It's no secret that we're poorly run as a football club (even if we're run well as a Business).

I still can't believe people are defending the board.

Like you've clearly pointed out, its possible to be secure finanically and have a decent team on the park (St Johnstone are living proof of this).

Yet, we can't produce a decent team on the park whatsoever.

[heid the baw]

Stokesy, Fair enough but my point is about the prudent financial argument that we are fed every time by the board. If Saints can do that on a shoestring why can't Hibs at least match them?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Are they not also demolishing a stand and spend next to nothing on yoof.
Contrast that side to Hibs. I was also told by one of the Hearts sprint coaches the he rates our under 19s and raising the age for reserve teams should help us. Well see

[heid the baw]

The stand is going because of a road proposal, Our player of the year was originally a product of St Johnstone yoof setup, and arrived shortly after Alistair Stevenson moved from Saints to Hibs to take up the youth coaching role...