The Sunday Sun

[Twa Cairpets]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17070555

Well there's a shock...

What a vile creature Murdoch is.

[CallumLaidlaw]

My only surprise is that it didn't start up the week after the NOTW finished

[Scouse Hibee]

I can't actually believe that the Sun is Britains best selling newspaper!!!!! That rag and it's new sister sunday rag will never ever be read by me.

[Future17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17070555

Well there's a shock...

What a vile creature Murdoch is.

That he is, but this isn't a surprise.

As with the Sun, people with a brain won't buy it, thousands will. The collective IQ of Britain will remain the same.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I can't actually believe that the Sun is Britains best selling newspaper!!!!! That rag and it's new sister sunday rag will never ever be read by me.

Can you get the Sun in Liverpool? Out of respect won't do a smiley but seriously we've heard of the boycott did it have a dramatic effect on sales & distribution in Liverpool cos of the Hillsborough reporting?

[ginger_rice]

Can you get the Sun in Liverpool? Out of respect won't do a smiley but seriously we've heard of the boycott did it have a dramatic effect on sales & distribution in Liverpool cos of the Hillsborough reporting?

I go to Merseyside quite a bit, the Sun is on sale but none of the LFC fraternity I know buy it, dunno about the blue side of the city though.

[ginger_rice]

I can't actually believe that the Sun is Britains best selling newspaper!!!!! That rag and it's new sister sunday rag will never ever be read by me.

Aye me too, it really annoys me that to rags like the Sun it's far more important as to which footballer is playing away from home, or which soap star is taking drugs than the real news. I've refused to even read that rag since the "Gotcha" headline when Belgrano was sunk.......and I was on the opposition side when that happened.

[Future17]

I've refused to even read that rag since the "Gotcha" headline when Belgrano was sunk.......and I was on the opposition side when that happened.

You're Argentinian, you buy the Daily Record or you support Labour? :confused:

[Hibbyradge]

I never really bought the Sun, but, Wapping, the Belgrano and the miners strike sealed it for me.

Edit: I have to admit, however, the 'Last one out' headline was a belter. I think Kinnock blew it with the pre-election budget, but that headline sealed his fate.

Pity. I liked him, I still do, and I think he would have been good for the UK.

We wouldn't have got Blair though. Sliding doors. Sliding doors. (Good film by the way.)

[Scouse Hibee]

Can you get the Sun in Liverpool? Out of respect won't do a smiley but seriously we've heard of the boycott did it have a dramatic effect on sales & distribution in Liverpool cos of the Hillsborough reporting?

Yes you can get it in most newsagents, most people I know refuse to buy it including my Blue mates so I would guess the sales figures for it in lpool are not great.

[lyonhibs]

That'll be getting swiftly added to the list of papers I wouldnt wipe my arse with.

[Peevemor]

Is/was there not already a paper called the Sunday Sun?

[Big Ed]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17070555

Well there's a shock...

What a vile creature Murdoch is.

Well, well.... the owner of a corrupt and shameless Sunday tabloid, that had to close last year because no one would advertise in it after being exposed, has decided that his period of contrition is over and presented the nation with the Sun on Sunday.
Sure, there is a gap in the market: those lightweights at the Star on Sunday, the Sunday People, the Sunday Mirror, the Mail on Sunday and the Sunday Express have just not been cutting it when it comes down to simplifying issues and then exaggerating them for the benefit of their enlightened readership along with the steady diet of celebrity gossip.
So. More of the same then Rupert: just make sure your new crew don't get caught hacking the voicemails of murdered schoolchildren this time.

[easty]

I dont see the big deal, its hardly a shock that a company whose primary goal is to make money is taking an opportunity to make more money. If there wasnt a market for a Sunday Sun then they wouldnt be releasing one, our society fuels it. If millions werent buying it then it wouldnt exist.

I'll no be buying it or reading it, but if someone else wants to then they should feel free to do just that.

[ginger_rice]

You're Argentinian, you buy the Daily Record or you support Labour? :confused:

Wrong, wrong and thrice wrong :greengrin

[easty]

Wrong, wrong and thrice wrong :greengrin

My go, my go!

You're Danish, you read Private Eye and you support the Lib Dems?

[Big Ed]

I dont see the big deal, its hardly a shock that a company whose primary goal is to make money is taking an opportunity to make more money. If there wasnt a market for a Sunday Sun then they wouldnt be releasing one, our society fuels it. If millions werent buying it then it wouldnt exist.

I'll no be buying it or reading it, but if someone else wants to then they should feel free to do just that.

Fair point.
I think what irks me though is that, despite protestations to the contrary, the News of the World has always been an extension of the Sun.
The News of the World brand became so toxic that Murdoch felt compelled to shut it down; now less than a year later, he is launching it again under a different name.
It will be interesting to see how the new paper does. Figures show that other Sunday newspapers do not appear to have significantly increased their circulations following the closure of the News of the World: will the Sun on Sunday bring them all back?

[ginger_rice]

My go, my go!

You're Danish, you read Private Eye and you support the Lib Dems?

:faf::faf:

[ginger_rice]

Fair point.
I think what irks me though is that, despite protestations to the contrary, the News of the World has always been an extension of the Sun.
The News of the World brand became so toxic that Murdoch felt compelled to shut it down; now less than a year later, he is launching it again under a different name.
It will be interesting to see how the new paper does. Figures show that other Sunday newspapers do not appear to have significantly increased their circulations following the closure of the News of the World: will the Sun on Sunday bring them all back?

It will probably just pick up most of the former NOTW readers, I'd expect the first few weeks to have massive sales, Murdoch will then crow about that justifying his decision, then sales will settle down to something around the circulation that NOTW had.

We all know that this is really just NOTW with a different red top, what amazes me is that he waited so long before launching it.

[steakbake]

:faf::faf:

Sandi Toksvig is a Hibee?

[magpie1892]

Is/was there not already a paper called the Sunday Sun?

Yes, the Sunday Sun is published in Newcastle. Serves the NE market.

The new Murdoch title is to be called The Sun on Sunday and I am really excited!

[Lost_Mackem]

Yes, the Sunday Sun is published in Newcastle. Serves the NE market.

The new Murdoch title is to be called The Sun on Sunday and I am really excited!

You Geordies get everything don't you?

[Big Ed]

Yes, the Sunday Sun is published in Newcastle. Serves the NE market.

The new Murdoch title is to be called The Sun on Sunday and I am really excited!

Would you care to enlighten us as to why you are suddenly giddy with excitement?

[magpie1892]

Would you care to enlighten us as to why you are suddenly giddy with excitement?

Increased work opportunities (if I have time), money, name in paper, etc. Purely selfish reasons...

[magpie1892]

You Geordies get everything don't you?

It's an odd one. News Corp had a brief look at buying the parent group thus the rights to the title 'Sunday Sun' but it was going to prove tortuous and very expensive, so The Sun on Sunday it is.

[RyeSloan]

Considering the ongoing Police investigations into illegal journalistic practices at the Sun it might not be too long before the daily paper is sunk along with the NOTW.

The timing of this announcement is almost certainly an effort to placate hiw own staff who feel somewhat betrayed by Murdoch.

As for the OP..I don't really get the outrage, NOTW was the Sun now the Sun will be the Sun 7 days a week. Rather than have a go at the people who make this s**t I would be more inclined to ask why the hell anyone every buys it...if no one bought it the paper wouldn't exist so I would suggest it's more a reflection of what a lot of people want out of a paper rather than a evil empire forcing this upon the nation.

[easty]

As for the OP..I don't really get the outrage, NOTW was the Sun now the Sun will be the Sun 7 days a week. Rather than have a go at the people who make this s**t I would be more inclined to ask why the hell anyone every buys it...if no one bought it the paper wouldn't exist so I would suggest it's more a reflection of what a lot of people want out of a paper rather than a evil empire forcing this upon the nation.

I usually buy The Sun on a Friday, 30p for the Frankie Boyle collumn is well worth it. On occasion you get good reviews of films and music too.

[Future17]

You Geordies get everything don't you?

:agree:

It's the poor diet which lowers the immune system.

[magpie1892]

Considering the ongoing Police investigations into illegal journalistic practices at the Sun it might not be too long before the daily paper is sunk

Not a chance. None. At a push, the Murdochs could be forced out of News Corp (in itself a very long shot) but The Sun will be there for decades to come (sorry :wink:).

[Twa Cairpets]

Considering the ongoing Police investigations into illegal journalistic practices at the Sun it might not be too long before the daily paper is sunk along with the NOTW.

The timing of this announcement is almost certainly an effort to placate hiw own staff who feel somewhat betrayed by Murdoch.

As for the OP..I don't really get the outrage, NOTW was the Sun now the Sun will be the Sun 7 days a week. Rather than have a go at the people who make this s**t I would be more inclined to ask why the hell anyone every buys it...if no one bought it the paper wouldn't exist so I would suggest it's more a reflection of what a lot of people want out of a paper rather than a evil empire forcing this upon the nation.

Not really outrage SiMar, more a kind of depressed sneer of contempt. The people who make the Sun (along with some other papers) for driving many of those who read it to accept the banal and inconsequential as being of importance. The occasional genuine expose does not balance the incessant scaremongering, stupidity and downright fiction that is the daily output.

The more people become accepting (and indeed proud) of their lack of knowledge and lack of willingness to think critically and/or in any depth about anything that may faintly be important, the more the prejudices hidden in the tabloids glorification of the bland become a kind of Huxleyian Soma for them.

[Leicester Fan]

Lot of fuss about nothing, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

[RyeSloan]

Not really outrage SiMar, more a kind of depressed sneer of contempt. The people who make the Sun (along with some other papers) for driving many of those who read it to accept the banal and inconsequential as being of importance. The occasional genuine expose does not balance the incessant scaremongering, stupidity and downright fiction that is the daily output.

The more people become accepting (and indeed proud) of their lack of knowledge and lack of willingness to think critically and/or in any depth about anything that may faintly be important, the more the prejudices hidden in the tabloids glorification of the bland become a kind of Huxleyian Soma for them.

Fair enough outrage was probably a bit OTT! It's fair to say though that gossip and tittle tattle is hardly the preserve of the Sun nor is the Sun responsible for such things being the thing a lot of people are interested in....I was reading something the other day about the founder of the Times being sent to jail in the late 1700's for printing gossip about the Prince of Wales so it's hardly a Murdoch invention.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't even think about buying a Sun and dislike intensely it’s flip flopping to suit it’s owners views but I also don't buy the fact that it only exists to encourage people to not think for themselves nor indeed in any way unique in trying to present a certain view of the world to it’s readers for it’s owners and others benefit.

[Beefster]

Not really outrage SiMar, more a kind of depressed sneer of contempt. The people who make the Sun (along with some other papers) for driving many of those who read it to accept the banal and inconsequential as being of importance. The occasional genuine expose does not balance the incessant scaremongering, stupidity and downright fiction that is the daily output.

The more people become accepting (and indeed proud) of their lack of knowledge and lack of willingness to think critically and/or in any depth about anything that may faintly be important, the more the prejudices hidden in the tabloids glorification of the bland become a kind of Huxleyian Soma for them.

So your problem is with society rather than the Sun?

[ginger_rice]

Not really outrage SiMar, more a kind of depressed sneer of contempt. The people who make the Sun (along with some other papers) for driving many of those who read it to accept the banal and inconsequential as being of importance. The occasional genuine expose does not balance the incessant scaremongering, stupidity and downright fiction that is the daily output.

The more people become accepting (and indeed proud) of their lack of knowledge and lack of willingness to think critically and/or in any depth about anything that may faintly be important, the more the prejudices hidden in the tabloids glorification of the bland become a kind of Huxleyian Soma for them.

:top marks:agree: I really wish I'd said that!!

[Twa Cairpets]

Fair enough outrage was probably a bit OTT! It's fair to say though that gossip and tittle tattle is hardly the preserve of the Sun nor is the Sun responsible for such things being the thing a lot of people are interested in....I was reading something the other day about the founder of the Times being sent to jail in the late 1700's for printing gossip about the Prince of Wales so it's hardly a Murdoch invention.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't even think about buying a Sun and dislike intensely it’s flip flopping to suit it’s owners views but I also don't buy the fact that it only exists to encourage people to not think for themselves nor indeed in any way unique in trying to present a certain view of the world to it’s readers for it’s owners and others benefit.


So your problem is with society rather than the Sun?

Ach I'm just turning into a curmudgeonly old begger prematurely.

It's a combination of what much of society is like, and the fact that people like Murdoch - and others, the Mail, the Star, the Express and their ilk - glorify stupidity. I dont think that they exist to depress the capability for critical thought, but it is an effect of their existence. Another piece of tittle-tattle provision, accompanied by faux moral outrage for MP's sexual proclivities sitting un-self conciously beside the latest Page 3 lovely in the new Sun on Sunday can only add to the collective "stupidising" of the country.

Its not that I think people should be denied access to what interests them - showbiz gossip, pop stars getting pished, what the last evictee from Big Brother is up to is all of interest to some. its when that interest is accompanied by (generally) unpleasant and ill-informed articles on areas such as politics and health that I start to get hacked off.

[magpie1892]

beside the latest Page 3 lovely in the new Sun on Sunday

Seen the flat plan have you? Bit rich to complain about people being 'ill-informed' when you're guilty of spreading disinformation yourself...

[Twa Cairpets]

Seen the flat plan have you? Bit rich to complain about people being 'ill-informed' when you're guilty of spreading disinformation yourself...

As you (I hope) were well aware this was not meant to be taken literally. The meaning was clearly that sitting comfortably within the pages of the Sun you will find outrage at peoples sex lives sitting beside articles, puff pieces or showbiz glorifying the same things. This was the case with the News of the World, and I've no reason to think it will be any different to the Sun on Sunday.

Pull me apart by all means for my viewpoint, but gonnae no try to deflect from it by knowingly misinterpreting what I'm saying.

[Jonnyboy]

:agree:

It's the poor diet which lowers the immune system.

:faf: :top marks

[RyeSloan]

Ach I'm just turning into a curmudgeonly old begger prematurely.

It's a combination of what much of society is like, and the fact that people like Murdoch - and others, the Mail, the Star, the Express and their ilk - glorify stupidity. I dont think that they exist to depress the capability for critical thought, but it is an effect of their existence. Another piece of tittle-tattle provision, accompanied by faux moral outrage for MP's sexual proclivities sitting un-self conciously beside the latest Page 3 lovely in the new Sun on Sunday can only add to the collective "stupidising" of the country.

Its not that I think people should be denied access to what interests them - showbiz gossip, pop stars getting pished, what the last evictee from Big Brother is up to is all of interest to some. its when that interest is accompanied by (generally) unpleasant and ill-informed articles on areas such as politics and health that I start to get hacked off.

Ha ha must admit I find myself thinking the same thing more and more frequently now!! Somewhat worrying I think :greengrin

[magpie1892]

As you (I hope) were well aware this was not meant to be taken literally. The meaning was clearly that sitting comfortably within the pages of the Sun you will find outrage at peoples sex lives sitting beside articles, puff pieces or showbiz glorifying the same things. This was the case with the News of the World, and I've no reason to think it will be any different to the Sun on Sunday.

Pull me apart by all means for my viewpoint, but gonnae no try to deflect from it by knowingly misinterpreting what I'm saying.

Ah, I see. I've 'knowingly misinterpreted' you. That was careless, I thought you'd just got it wrong; silly me! :wink:

[Twa Cairpets]

Ah, I see. I've 'knowingly misinterpreted' you. That was careless, I thought you'd just got it wrong; silly me! :wink:

I thought as a journalist you would be able to deal with nuances of phrase and meaning, but then again as a tabloid journalist (which I think you are?) nuance and subtlety aren't skills much in demand?

If it helps, it's always better just to assume I'm right and work back from there...:greengrin:wink::agree:

[magpie1892]

I thought as a journalist you would be able to deal with nuances of phrase and meaning, but then again as a tabloid journalist (which I think you are?) nuance and subtlety aren't skills much in demand?

If it helps, it's always better just to assume I'm right and work back from there...:greengrin:wink::agree:

Dammit, busted again...

[greenlex]

Dammit, busted again...
Damn! I thought you were a paperboy. :confused:

[HKhibby]

I dont see the big deal, its hardly a shock that a company whose primary goal is to make money is taking an opportunity to make more money. If there wasnt a market for a Sunday Sun then they wouldnt be releasing one, our society fuels it. If millions werent buying it then it wouldnt exist.

I'll no be buying it or reading it, but if someone else wants to then they should feel free to do just that.


exactly! business is business!

[bighairyfaeleith]

don't buy papers, bad enough folks like magpie telling you what to think on here without paying them to do it:wink:

[Big Ed]

don't buy papers, bad enough folks like magpie telling you what to think on here without paying them to do it:wink:

Goodness me. How on Earth are you able to keep up with all the latest about Tragic Tots, Top Cops, Randy Revs and Bonking Babes?

[One Day Soon]

don't buy papers, bad enough folks like magpie telling you what to think on here without paying them to do it:wink:

Just about choking on my cornflakes here.

I'm in complete and utter agreement with you. Haven't bought a paper in over two years. They're all commercial products masquerading as vehicles of impartial reporting in my view. No different from fridges, Mars Bars or sofas - except they pretend to be something other than what they are.

No offence to magpie, I quite like SOME journalists.

As for Murdoch, after what the News of the World did to Milly Dowler's family I think that the last thing he should be doing is controlling another newspaper.

[magpie1892]

Damn! I thought you were a paperboy. :confused:

I am a paper boy...

Currently plying my trade in the Netherlands, so if you need any Eredivisie reports (was working at Ajax - NEC on Sunday), give me a nudge... :greengrin

[One Day Soon]

I am a paper boy...

Currently plying my trade in the Netherlands, so if you need any Eredivisie reports (was working at Ajax - NEC on Sunday), give me a nudge... :greengrin

Do you write reports in Dutch?

[magpie1892]

don't buy papers, bad enough folks like magpie telling you what to think on here without paying them to do it:wink:

The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

Hairy, you will buy the Sun on Sunday.

[magpie1892]

Do you write reports in Dutch?

Nee, mijn Nederlands is niet goed genoeg.

[magpie1892]

Just about choking on my cornflakes here

Je eet cornflakes net voor middernacht? You freak! :na na:

[ginger_rice]

Currently plying my trade in the Netherlands,

When I was at sea I knew a few people doing that :greengrin

[steakbake]

Had a leaf through it today. Don't mean to intellectualise it too much but it seems clear to me that this is Murdoch's pitch for revenge on the British establishment.

How an editorial stance can go from vehemently anti SNP to very much pro SNP in a matter of a few years seems strange. However, something tells me Murdoch would quite like to have a hand in Scotland becoming independent.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I thought the Texas single was better, or was that Summer Sun? ;-)

[Beefster]

Had a leaf through it today. Don't mean to intellectualise it too much but it seems clear to me that this is Murdoch's pitch for revenge on the British establishment.

How an editorial stance can go from vehemently anti SNP to very much pro SNP in a matter of a few years seems strange. However, something tells me Murdoch would quite like to have a hand in Scotland becoming independent.

Because, like every other power-hungry politician, Salmond's been dropping his knickers to Murdoch for a few years to gain his support. If Salmond hadn't been bumming up Sky/News Int/Murdoch in a sycophantic manner for a while, you can guarantee that News International wouldn't be supporting independence.

[Hainan Hibs]

Salmond guaranteeing a another barrell of % points for the Yes camp:thumbsup:

[steakbake]

Because, like every other power-hungry politician, Salmond's been dropping his knickers to Murdoch for a few years to gain his support. If Salmond hadn't been bumming up Sky/News Int/Murdoch in a sycophantic manner for a while, you can guarantee that News International wouldn't be supporting independence.

It suits both their egos!

[--------]

Considering the ongoing Police investigations into illegal journalistic practices at the Sun it might not be too long before the daily paper is sunk along with the NOTW.

The timing of this announcement is almost certainly an effort to placate hiw own staff who feel somewhat betrayed by Murdoch.

As for the OP..I don't really get the outrage, NOTW was the Sun now the Sun will be the Sun 7 days a week. Rather than have a go at the people who make this s**t I would be more inclined to ask why the hell anyone every buys it...if no one bought it the paper wouldn't exist so I would suggest it's more a reflection of what a lot of people want out of a paper rather than a evil empire forcing this upon the nation.



We have the press we deserve.

Red-top papers like the Sun, the Star, the Record simply provide what the general population want from their "newspapers"; other papers in turn express and reflect the concerns and attitudes of their readerships. It's arguable that most (all?) newspapers simply tell the people who read them what the people who read them want to read.

It's like Orwell predicted - the "intelligent" section of the population consent and connive in their own brainwashing by the powers-that-be, while the "proles" are quite happy as long as they get their booze and pornography, and this way the rich get richer while the poor get shafted.

And everyone's happy.

The way of the world, I'd say. :dunno:

[Leicester Fan]

We have the press we deserve.


It's like Orwell predicted - the "intelligent" section of the population consent and connive in their own brainwashing by the powers-that-be, while the "proles" are quite happy as long as they get their booze and pornography, and this way the rich get richer while the poor get shafted.



You know, it's just possible that some people believe what they believe because they've given it some thought and or they instinctively agree with a certain point of view.

It might be comforting to think that everyone would agree with me if only they were intelligent enough but in reality it isn't like that.

[Andy74]

Murdoch is just filling a gap in the market.

The real worry is that there is such a market.

[--------]

You know, it's just possible that some people believe what they believe because they've given it some thought and or they instinctively agree with a certain point of view.

It might be comforting to think that everyone would agree with me if only they were intelligent enough but in reality it isn't like that.


Aye, but before we 'give it some thought' we have to receive input from somewhere - and the input we receive depands on the papers we read, the news channels we watch, the websites we visit.

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU....

[Mikeystewart]

Seen the advert on the other day, the line was

"The Sunday Sun get all the news of your world"

These people have no shame.

Its like they are indirectly taking the piss.

[Gatecrasher]

i'm of the if you dont like it then don't buy it attitude, there are lots of people who do like it and i have no problem with that.