Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[ballengeich]

Dunno if this has already been posted but just saw this comment from Lorenzo Amoruso -

"I don't understand why they couldn't be put back in the SPL? After the dual-contract verdict, I just presumed it would happen."

What's the Italian for 'how about naw, you clueless fud'

So he thinks that after being found guilty of having dual-contracts and only escaping proper punishment because the SPL's rules weren't drawn up properly, they should then jump 3 divisions.

I've come to the conclusion that the LNS verdict seems technically correct. Judges have to apply laws as they're written, rather than deciding what they were intended to achieve. Sadly this means that guilty people sometimes escape their due fate.

[jacomo]

OK. Given that they knew EBTs were wrong and those payments/conditions were registered, does that leave Hector free to pursue the tax which should have been paid on these salaries?

Now that's its been identified that these were salaries and should have been registered but just an "admin error". And will that fine be dumped on oldco and/or directors at the time.

Shame LNS didn't end it with "And it should be noted that these titles were won by, and remain with, OldCo." We all know that, of course, but sometimes its nice to see these things in black and white. :greengrin

The FTTT held that these payments were in fact loans.

Murray Moonbeams has once again declared that they were loans.

If that's the case, I don't understand why the liquidators of oldco don't go after Barry Ferguson, Moonbeams and the rest for the repayment of these loans??

[CropleyWasGod]

The FTTT held that these payments were in fact loans.

Murray Moonbeams has once again declared that they were loans.

If that's the case, I don't understand why the liquidators of oldco don't go after Barry Ferguson, Moonbeams and the rest for the repayment of these loans??

The loans were from the EBT, not the club. The club made contributions to the EBT, and as such are not recoverable.

[Leithenhibby]

Now this takes me back to when my Granny would " invisibly mend" ma jeans!... :rolleyes:

[jacomo]

The loans were from the EBT, not the club. The club made contributions to the EBT, and as such are not recoverable.

What?? So, in one direction it's a tax-exempt loan, but in the other it's a non-recoverable contribution?

I am not surprised, given the financial chicanery that has gone on in the City for years, but jeez! Why have I paid taxes all these years??

I feel like a total mug and I guess I must be one.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm still in two minds as to whether I'll be following SPL football when the Dorian Grays rejoin the SPL..

It just stinks of corruption.

[BarneyK]

Patrick McPartlin ‏@p_mcpartlin
Rangers have reported a first half loss of £7 million in the 7 months to December 2012 (from @reuters)

:shocked::shocked:
Nice to see they have learned the lesson and are living within their means...

[green glory]

Patrick McPartlin ‏@p_mcpartlin
Rangers have reported a first half loss of £7 million in the 7 months to December 2012 (from @reuters)

:shocked::shocked:
Nice to see they have learned the lesson and are living within their means...

A lot of people picking up on this today. Wonderful news. Hopefully heading for another insolvency event. I can still see it ending badly with Chuckie being the man that euthanises that vile institution for good.

[Part/Time Supporter]

A lot of people picking up on this today. Wonderful news. Hopefully heading for another insolvency event. I can still see it ending badly with Chuckie being the man that euthanises that vile institution for good.

No chance of it happening any time soon. They had £21M in cash at 31 December, thanks to the share issue. Though if they keep losing money at the rate of £1M per month they will need to get back into the SPL quicker than scheduled. Expect a MSM campaign to get them vaulted up at least one division more than is due this summer.

[green glory]

No chance of it happening any time soon. They had £21M in cash at 31 December, thanks to the share issue. Though if they keep losing money at the rate of £1M per month they will need to get back into the SPL quicker than scheduled. Expect a MSM campaign to get them vaulted up at least one division more than is due this summer.

Hasn't the money raised in the share issue gone to the original investors? The ones Chuckie won't name? Rather than being used as working capital.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Hasn't the money raised in the share issue gone to the original investors? The ones Chuckie won't name? Rather than being used as working capital.

No. They will make their money by selling their stakes on the open market. According to Private Eye, Chuckles bought in at 1p per share. Even if the price drops well below its flotation value of 75p, he will make a substantial profit.

[VickMackie]

Patrick McPartlin ‏@p_mcpartlin
Rangers have reported a first half loss of £7 million in the 7 months to December 2012 (from @reuters)

:shocked::shocked:
Nice to see they have learned the lesson and are living within their means...

I had a look on RM and apparently they've made some one of purchases (2 car parks). They won't need much investment next year to win div 2 (of the leagues are the same next year).

[Part/Time Supporter]

I had a look on RM and apparently they've made some one of purchases (2 car parks). They won't need much investment next year to win div 2 (of the leagues are the same next year).

Buying the car parks wouldn't affect their P&L. It initially just uses up some of the cash generated by the share issues. Presumably there will be some revenue from the car parking but I can't imagine this will be significant in their overall business.

They won't need much investment to win Div 2, but there will still be pressure to improve the team and compete better in the domestic cups.

[PatHead]

A link on their submission below. Love how they talk about their history.

http://m.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/mobile/news/detail.html?l&announcementId=11506139

[LeighLoyal]

A link on their submission below. Love how they talk about their history.

http://m.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/mobile/news/detail.html?l&announcementId=11506139



I don't know why Sheikh Mansour doesn't just buy Man U's upcoming epl title from the Glazers and call it City's history. That's how ridiculous and contemptible this so called Sevco history is. Sevco seem to have side stepped oldco's tax abuses and registration cover up but BDO is still on the horizon and the small mattter of gratuitous alienaton of assets. We'll see if Sevco can make it a hat trick of results, shame the sfa don't have jurisdiction over BDO.

[CropleyWasGod]

Briefly looking at this bit:-

Revenue of £9.5m

· Operating expenses of £16.6m

· Loss before non-recurring items and finance costs of £7.0m

· Profit before tax £9.5m driven by non-recurring release of negative goodwill of £20.5m

That says to me that the actual loss was £11m.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Briefly looking at this bit:-

Revenue of £9.5m

· Operating expenses of £16.6m

· Loss before non-recurring items and finance costs of £7.0m

· Profit before tax £9.5m driven by non-recurring release of negative goodwill of £20.5m

That says to me that the actual loss was £11m.

But that includes the non-recurring items, eg paying transfer fees incurred by the oldco.

[CropleyWasGod]

But that includes the non-recurring items, eg paying transfer fees incurred by the oldco.

I'm old school.... a loss is a loss :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

No chance of it happening any time soon. They had £21M in cash at 31 December, thanks to the share issue. Though if they keep losing money at the rate of £1M per month they will need to get back into the SPL quicker than scheduled. Expect a MSM campaign to get them vaulted up at least one division more than is due this summer.

It has already started, in the Sun today David Longmuir says it hasn't been decided what league Rangers will play in. To my mind it always was and still remains the real reason league reconstruction is even on the table for discussion.

[CropleyWasGod]

I like this bit:-

A revaluation process was undertaken during the period; Ibrox stadium and Murray Park were revalued at £40m, and intangibles were valued at £19m on acquisition.

Are you watching, BDO? :singing:

[jodjam]

Just been on stv news that ibrox is changing names. Sold naming rights to sports direct.

[LeighLoyal]

Just been on stv news that ibrox is changing names. Sold naming rights to sports direct.




Chuckles trying to tell the horde that most clubs re-name their stadiums, not really Chuck, and it's usually done after a new build to pay for the cost like the Emirates, not an old heap like Greyskull. No credit line and desperate for cash. Hope they are dead again soon. :aok:

[lapsedhibee]

Chuckles trying to tell the horde that most clubs re-name their stadiums

:agree: All successful businesses call themselves something else.

[BSEJVT]

You do know they have been found to have broken the rules? They have been declared guilty by an independent commission. You may not like the punishment meted out but Oldco have been fined which given there is no money there doesn't make a blind bit of difference or as little difference as removing titles would have.
Financial sporting integrity went out the window whilst the game was still amateur and players started to receive brown envelopes. Why do we suddenly pretend otherwise? The stupid thing about what Rangers did was that they already had a massive financial advantage and would have won those titles anyway. Let's be honest here, the vast majority of Scottish fans had decided they were guilty before this investigation had taken place and had already decided on the punishment. Any penalty that did not fit in with that pre-determined outcome was always going to be denounced as a sham.

Correct

This thing was always going to end with a slap on the wrist.

Why?

Because there was no way the Scottish football authorities of whatever guise had the stomach or finance to deal with the continuing litigation / damage to the game that would have followed any punishment Green didn't like.

It's noticeable that Green (who has played an absolute blinder btw for his interests is quieting down. You can bet he was asked in advance what he was prepared to swallow and make little or no fuss

It's a long established business principle called the path of least resistance.

It's horrible, corrupt (add any other adjective) but its been that way since time began

The guy who brings the ball picks the teams

[Oscar T Grouch]

Said in the metro this morning in the same article about the £7mil losses, think it was their finance director, that they're not likely to be back in profit until they are back in Europe!?! So that'll be at least 3 years, how can they be aloud to lose circa £14mil a year for the next (minimum) 3years? What about UEFAs financial fair play rules (I know I shouldnae use fair play and the rangers in the same paragraph but hey ho)? Just wondering :confused:

[Oscar T Grouch]

Just got this off FB,
RANGERS supremo Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved – unless bigoted supporters stop singing sectarian songs.

By: Scott BurnsPublished: Tue, March 5, 2013

0Comments
Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved

Green, above, also warned fans that unless their behaviour improves the club faces being banned from European competition for years.

The Ibrox chief executive said: “I made a pledge to the Rangers fans recently that I wouldn’t leave until we’re playing the Champions League music.

“If we carry on playing this other type of music, we’ll get banned for life by UEFA, so I can leave on Friday. That’s not what we want.”

Charles Green
He hit out at the people he believes are apologists for the offenders, saying: “When I get comments like, ‘Other people do it’, I don’t care about other people. I don’t care about anybody else or any other club, only Rangers.”

Green also warned that any fan caught singing abusive songs will be banned for life.

He added: “Sectarian singing, or any form of race or religious discrimination, is not acceptable in any way, shape or form, not in the work place, not in a football stadium.

“I know Rangers have made great strides but my position is very clear – anybody who is identified will be banned for life. There will be no appeals and nobody will be let off. I feel so strongly about it.

“We’ve had a fantastic year, we’ve made lots of friends and for it to be spoiled by a mindless few is ridiculous.

“We want to be in a position where we can go to UEFA with our heads held high. This is something we can stamp out. It has no place in society and definitely not in Charles Green’s Rangers.”


I cannae see this making a difference to that lot though.

[LeighLoyal]

Just got this off FB,
RANGERS supremo Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved – unless bigoted supporters stop singing sectarian songs.

By: Scott BurnsPublished: Tue, March 5, 2013

0Comments
Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved

Green, above, also warned fans that unless their behaviour improves the club faces being banned from European competition for years.

The Ibrox chief executive said: “I made a pledge to the Rangers fans recently that I wouldn’t leave until we’re playing the Champions League music.

“If we carry on playing this other type of music, we’ll get banned for life by UEFA, so I can leave on Friday. That’s not what we want.”

Charles Green
He hit out at the people he believes are apologists for the offenders, saying: “When I get comments like, ‘Other people do it’, I don’t care about other people. I don’t care about anybody else or any other club, only Rangers.”

Green also warned that any fan caught singing abusive songs will be banned for life.

He added: “Sectarian singing, or any form of race or religious discrimination, is not acceptable in any way, shape or form, not in the work place, not in a football stadium.

“I know Rangers have made great strides but my position is very clear – anybody who is identified will be banned for life. There will be no appeals and nobody will be let off. I feel so strongly about it.

“We’ve had a fantastic year, we’ve made lots of friends and for it to be spoiled by a mindless few is ridiculous.

“We want to be in a position where we can go to UEFA with our heads held high. This is something we can stamp out. It has no place in society and definitely not in Charles Green’s Rangers.”


I cannae see this making a difference to that lot though.



They are too thick to get it that when they sing hate and ignorance about Irish people and Roman Catholics etc that this goes to England and wider Europe - you know, that continent that is mostly Catholic. In a sense I hope they keep shaming themselves because it only hurts the Sevco cause. I don't see Green walking from £360k a year plus bonus though.

[Killiehibbie]

Just got this off FB,
RANGERS supremo Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved – unless bigoted supporters stop singing sectarian songs.

By: Scott BurnsPublished: Tue, March 5, 2013

0Comments
Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved

Green, above, also warned fans that unless their behaviour improves the club faces being banned from European competition for years.

The Ibrox chief executive said: “I made a pledge to the Rangers fans recently that I wouldn’t leave until we’re playing the Champions League music.

“If we carry on playing this other type of music, we’ll get banned for life by UEFA, so I can leave on Friday. That’s not what we want.”

Charles Green
He hit out at the people he believes are apologists for the offenders, saying: “When I get comments like, ‘Other people do it’, I don’t care about other people. I don’t care about anybody else or any other club, only Rangers.”

Green also warned that any fan caught singing abusive songs will be banned for life.

He added: “Sectarian singing, or any form of race or religious discrimination, is not acceptable in any way, shape or form, not in the work place, not in a football stadium.

“I know Rangers have made great strides but my position is very clear – anybody who is identified will be banned for life. There will be no appeals and nobody will be let off. I feel so strongly about it.

“We’ve had a fantastic year, we’ve made lots of friends and for it to be spoiled by a mindless few is ridiculous.

“We want to be in a position where we can go to UEFA with our heads held high. This is something we can stamp out. It has no place in society and definitely not in Charles Green’s Rangers.”


I cannae see this making a difference to that lot though.
He's just alienated at least 75% of their support, if Rangers cease to be for their kind of people they'll stop going.

[Baldy Foghorn]

The Rangers are marketing their match against Annan as "join Scotland's most successful team at Ibrox"......

I thought they were a Newco with no history.....The whole sorry episode stinks, and they still believe that the history is still there, even after wiping their debt and starting afresh....It galls me that they have no class/dignity....The institution is despicable, rotten to the core.....

[Oscar T Grouch]

He's just alienated at least 75% of their support, if Rangers cease to be for their kind of people they'll stop going.

Lets hope so and Scotland can finally get rid of this embarrassing club. :thumbsup:

[DaveF]

He's just alienated at least 75% of their support, if Rangers cease to be for their kind of people they'll stop going.

He can talk a good game, but they won't act on his words. Usual mealy mouthed nonsense to appease those in the UEFA into thinking they are stamping it out.

[Killiehibbie]

Lets hope so and Scotland can finally get rid of this embarrassing club. :thumbsup:Sounds good to me.

[Killiehibbie]

He can talk a good game, but they won't act on his words. Usual mealy mouthed nonsense to appease those in the UEFA into thinking they are stamping it out.We'll take him serious when the life bans start getting dished out.

[LeighLoyal]

Quite interesting that he says he'll ban huns who don't report on other huns for their sectarian chants. We'll soon see if that's BS.

[alfie]

The Rangers are marketing their match against Annan as "join Scotland's most successful team at Ibrox"......

I thought they were a Newco with no history.....The whole sorry episode stinks, and they still believe that the history is still there, even after wiping their debt and starting afresh....It galls me that they have no class/dignity....The institution is despicable, rotten to the core.....
Just how successful are Annan? :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Just got this off FB,
RANGERS supremo Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved – unless bigoted supporters stop singing sectarian songs.

By: Scott BurnsPublished: Tue, March 5, 2013

0Comments
Charles Green has threatened to walk away from the club he saved

Green, above, also warned fans that unless their behaviour improves the club faces being banned from European competition for years.

The Ibrox chief executive said: “I made a pledge to the Rangers fans recently that I wouldn’t leave until we’re playing the Champions League music.

“If we carry on playing this other type of music, we’ll get banned for life by UEFA, so I can leave on Friday. That’s not what we want.”

Charles Green
He hit out at the people he believes are apologists for the offenders, saying: “When I get comments like, ‘Other people do it’, I don’t care about other people. I don’t care about anybody else or any other club, only Rangers.”

Green also warned that any fan caught singing abusive songs will be banned for life.

He added: “Sectarian singing, or any form of race or religious discrimination, is not acceptable in any way, shape or form, not in the work place, not in a football stadium.

“I know Rangers have made great strides but my position is very clear – anybody who is identified will be banned for life. There will be no appeals and nobody will be let off. I feel so strongly about it.

“We’ve had a fantastic year, we’ve made lots of friends and for it to be spoiled by a mindless few is ridiculous.

“We want to be in a position where we can go to UEFA with our heads held high. This is something we can stamp out. It has no place in society and definitely not in Charles Green’s Rangers.”


I have to say he has said all the right things here, but so have previous owners. The proof will be in him acting on his words.

Will he or wont he?

[Treadstone]

I have to say he has said all the right things here, but so have previous owners. The proof will be in him acting on his words.

Will he or wont he?

Wont.

[Hibs Class]

Just how successful are Annan? :greengrin

They had a decent day today beating sevco.

[Bostonhibby]

Just how successful are Annan? :greengrin

I think its fair to say they have matched todays opponents so far, but to be fair on the rangers they haven't been in existence for as long as Annan so you never know.

[LeighLoyal]

I think its fair to say they have matched todays opponents so far, but to be fair on the rangers they haven't been in existence for as long as Annan so you never know.


T'Rangers International have only been going a year, we shouldn't expect them not to lose at home to a team like Annan that have 70 years of tradition behind them. :aok:

[monktonharp]

T'Rangers International have only been going a year, we shouldn't expect them not to lose at home to a team like Annan that have 70 years of tradition behind them. :aok:fair comment. however i'm extremely interested in the anti sectarian comments from Green. message to him has to be: ye can take the man oot o' the premier league, but ye cannae take simpleton,square heid hun, sectarian born and will die as such.............oot o' the man

[Scottie]

fair comment. however i'm extremely interested in the anti sectarian comments from Green. message to him has to be: ye can take the man oot o' the premier league, but ye cannae take simpleton,square heid hun, sectarian born and will die as such.............oot o' the man

The man is an absolute joke just like club he represents
Many have tried before to halt the bile that comes from their mouths
It's bred into them the hatred for anything other than hun.These people unfortunately will not be silenced.
How the hell does he intend to impliment these threats of banning everyone.48,000 of them every 2nd week singing absolute bile

Theres more chance of Mr Green being offered the white smoke and the job as pope as him finishing sectarianism through west.

[adhibs]

Any talk of banning the bigots (basically their whole support)will just be to make the english more welcoming of them to their league. Green chasing the money again

[marinello59]

Any talk of banning the bigots (basically their whole support)will just be to make the english more welcoming of them to their league. Green chasing the money again

I know a lot of Rangers fans who despair at those cretins amongst them who carry on with the bigoted stuff. If we tar every Rangers fan with the same brush we will get nowhere, we should be reaching out to the sizeable number of decent fitba fans amongst them.
Green has probably only just realised what the bigotry thing is all about, I don't think he fully understood it when he arrived. Whatever his motivation is at least he is making the right noises now. he can only be judged on his actions though, here'e hoping he means it.

[hibsbollah]

I know a lot of Rangers fans who despair at those cretins amongst them who carry on with the bigoted stuff. If we tar every Rangers fan with the same brush we will get nowhere, we should be reaching out to the sizeable number of decent fitba fans amongst them.
Green has probably only just realised what the bigotry thing is all about, I don't think he fully understood it when he arrived. Whatever his motivation is at least he is making the right noises now. he can only be judged on his actions though, here'e hoping he means it.

It depends what you mean by 'sizeable number'. Certainly if you look at their away support at ER, the majority are either bigots or go along with bigoted singing because they see it as winding us up, ''banter' or their cultural expression.

Reaching out to the apocryphal 'nice' section is a waste of time.

[green glory]

While I've no doubt there are plenty decent tolerant Sevco fans, I'm afraid their bigotry/racism/traditions are so widespread and ingrained that there is only one solution.

Scotland has been trying and failing to get to grips with their intolerant triumphalism for long enough, and in my opinion nothing less than Chuckie dragging them into oblivion will sort that.

They're losing a million notes per month, and while they claim to be cash rich with 22 million in the bank after the share issue, I'm not sure Green is going to piss that up against the wall attempting to satisfy the orcs need to have a team on the park winning by four goals every game against whatever opposition, in whatever league.

Anything less than Green bleeding them dry then leading them into liquidation again, thus relieving us all of having a meeting place for 40 odd thousand sociopaths in our country ever again won't be enough for me.

Sevco and their fans are a social cancer we could do without.

[marinello59]

It depends what you mean by 'sizeable number'. Certainly if you look at their away support at ER, the majority are either bigots or go along with bigoted singing because they see it as winding us up, ''banter' or their cultural expression.

Reaching out to the apocryphal 'nice' section is a waste of time.

Dismissing the decent support totally will only reinforce a siege like mentality. Nobody like us we don't care.
A large number of our support justified the Skacel song as just banter to wind the opposition up with yet it was seen as racist by many outside the club, (and a lot of our won supporters.) It wasn't booed down so, by your logic, are we all racists? (The Skacel song has just been used as an example, I have no in tention of turning this in to a debate on it's merits or otherwise. :greengrin)

[The_Sauz]

I thought they didn't do walking away :confused:
I agree about the decent servco supporters, but they have done nothing to help the situation over the years! So if they don't like being tarred by the same brush, then that is their problem.:agree:

[The_Sauz]

On another note......I see that the servco fans are threatening to boycott all the away games next season if the 12-12-18 proposal gets voted in :greengrin

[green glory]

On another note......I see that the servco fans are threatening to boycott all the away games next season if the 12-12-18 proposal gets voted in :greengrin

Anything that pisses them off and helps erode their new club is good in my book.

[LeighLoyal]

Anything that pisses them off and helps erode their new club is good in my book.


:aok:

[adhibs]

I know a lot of Rangers fans who despair at those cretins amongst them who carry on with the bigoted stuff. If we tar every Rangers fan with the same brush we will get nowhere, we should be reaching out to the sizeable number of decent fitba fans amongst them.
Green has probably only just realised what the bigotry thing is all about, I don't think he fully understood it when he arrived. Whatever his motivation is at least he is making the right noises now. he can only be judged on his actions though, here'e hoping he means it.

Through my experince the decent fans are few and far between. I know 2, one couldnt tell you where ibrox is and the others a catholic :confused:. I know plenty others who are sound but it doesnt take much for their bigoted views to appear.

[Spike Mandela]

“@scotzine: Kevin Kyle has left Rangers by mutual consent”

[Spike Mandela]

Finally we have some clarity and the endgame is in sight for the real reason reconstruction is being discussed...........

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/3562-statement-on-league-reconstruction

[Twa Cairpets]

Finally we have some clarity and the endgame is in sight for the real reason reconstruction is being discussed...........

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/3562-statement-on-league-reconstruction

So Green wants the leagues developed so his reserves play in a better quality set up, to their benefit? "The good of Scottish football" my hairy @rse

He is a loathsome, repugnant fud of the highest water, and his club deserve to disappear.

[green glory]

Finally we have some clarity and the endgame is in sight for the real reason reconstruction is being discussed...........

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/3562-statement-on-league-reconstruction

So he's proposing bribing clubs to accept his proposals. Cheating ***** as always.

[LeighLoyal]

Tango Man's weekend revelations about the relationship between DUFC's Gavin Masterton and Murray are worth closer inspection. Aside from the fact Murray was using Dunfermline as a Rangers proxy, according to Tango Man, it illustrates the cosy set up that the then Bank of Scotland head of corporate lending, Masterton, had with Murray. A cosy set up that saw his businesses, including RFC, forwarded circa £800m in depositors money. Indeed, if you want to know where Murray got £12m for Tore Andre Flo and then underwrote £50m of debt with worthless shares in 01 then look no further. Meanwhile, Lord Nimmo says no sporting advantage in hiding £50m of secret payments from the SFA :confused: Scotland, the banana republic as Channel 4 journalist Alex Thomson accurately put it, and a 'horror story' as the Halifax discovered on examining the SDM corporate account. Meanwhile the Sevco tribute act want in the first division next year, don't count on it not happening. Scotland, a country run by a goverment of the peepul, by ra peepul, for ra peepul.

[grunt]

Is he right about Stranraer being promoted during the last reconstruction? That would seem to set a precedent if true.

[lapsedhibee]

Is he right about Stranraer being promoted during the last reconstruction? That would seem to set a precedent if true.

Let's not lose focus. Third Lanark is the relevant precedent to bear in mind. :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

Is he right about Stranraer being promoted during the last reconstruction? That would seem to set a precedent if true.

Stranraer went 3rd tier to 2nd as the leagues went from 12-12-14 to 10-10-10-10.

Sevco want to go 4th tier to 2nd.

No precedent for a 2 tier jump. They are getting promoted, it's just that the rest of div 3 is going with them.

[Bostonhibby]

Stranraer went 3rd tier to 2nd as the leagues went from 12-12-14 to 10-10-10-10.

Sevco want to go 4th tier to 2nd.

No precedent for a 2 tier jump. They are getting promoted, it's just that the rest of div 3 is going with them.

And they will get their first trophy, surely that will be enough.

[Jack Hackett]

And they will get their first trophy, surely that will be enough.

I thought they were due to win 4 comps this season :confused:

[CentreLine]

Finally we have some clarity and the endgame is in sight for the real reason reconstruction is being discussed...........

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/3562-statement-on-league-reconstruction

Simply must not happen. Scottish football has already plunged too deeply in to the corrupt pool. This would be the last straw for many and the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football. But then that is exactly what Green wants IMHO

[1two]

Charlie reckons his brand new football club should be promoted to the 2nd tier and quoted "sporting integrity" as the reason.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-must-be-promoted-in-new-set-up-says-green-1-2844083

For a club less than a year old I can't stop myself hating them, even more so than our maroon neighbours.

[21.05.2016]

Tell them to get lost, that would mean they will be back in the top tier within 1 season where it should have been at least 2 in the old set up.

They cheated for years and years to get ahead, threw the whole of Scottish football into disrepute, carried out their business in a corrupt unsporting manner yet they still expect to be given special treatment. This arrogance of their "we are The Rangers football club, Scottish football has to bow to us" attitude clearly never died with their old club. Same old arrogant rangers!

[hibbysam]

Best bit is his ploy to help Dunfermline, what happens if one of the now division 2 clubs went under, would he want rangers relegated so they could help this club as well? His guarantee of 300 away gate receipts is tosh as well as rangers take well more than 300... Tube!!

[Sylar]

I just don't get his argument.

Rangers will win the 3rd Division and join the 2nd Division, which the lower clubs will form part of the new third tier.

It is a valid question, how the remaining 2 sides are decided (once automatic promotion/relegation has been dealt with). If the clubs destined to be relegated from the 1st Division are to be "saved" then I partially agree with Charles Green - this isn't right. However, I draw the line there and definitely don't agree that The Rangers should automatically be benefactors.

[JeMeSouviens]

The myth of the "Stranraer precedent". :rolleyes:

In 1994 Stranraer went from the 3rd tier to the 2nd tier.

Chuckles wants to go from the 4th tier to the 2nd tier.

Aye right. :cb

[Saorsa]

Charles Green and integrity :hilarious Never mind integrity, how the **** did that clown pass the SFA's so called fit and proper persons test, that must be some sort of joke.**** off Green ya ****in' roaster. :bye:

[21.05.2016]

Charles Green and integrity :hilarious Never mind integrity, how the **** did that clown pass the SFA's so called fit and proper persons test, that must be some sort of joke.**** off Green ya ****in' roaster. :bye:

:agree:

[MrSmith]

Thought he Charles Green, did not want any part of Scottish Football if it reconstruction went ahead as planned? He also said that he was taking Rangers to England! This man's logic and rantings never fail to amaze me!!

[Thecat23]

http://gifs.gifbin.com/062010/1277378257_supporter-rage.gif

[EdinMike]

But he doesn't want his club playing in the SPL cause we're all bullies, so why the rush to jump through the leagues :confused:

[Green Fish]

The man is an embarrassment to his 'club'. Reckon hes trying to be Mr Contravesory, the new Vlad. ERSEWIPE.

[Vini1875]

He has to get up the leagues as quickly as possible so that he can sell them at a handsome profit. If they are poised for a return to the SPL he will be able to sell no problem. If integrity was invovled they would be out of senior football for 3 years, but this is all about money. They are running at a loss, spending the share issue money and their fans are getting turned off. The rest of Scottish has not crumbled and is running out of cards to play it is getting desperate for him and his backers. If reconstruction sees them playing in the bottom tier again it will be a real blow, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of c####.

[jacomo]

'Charles Green' and 'sporting integrity' do not belong together in the same sentence.

His bleating about promotion and relegation being sacrosanct is particularly galling, given his stated wish for Newco to join the English league set up and never return. What about an English club elbowed out of the way to make room for Rangers? What would happen if Newco finished bottom of whatever League they were competing in?

His agenda (shared by those big clubs who want a new European super league) is for the big boys to break away forever from the rest of us, and never have to play 'smaller' clubs again.

[Mr White]

Simply must not happen. Scottish football has already plunged too deeply in to the corrupt pool. This would be the last straw for many and the final nail in the coffin of Scottish football. But then that is exactly what Green wants IMHO

I think it'd be more accurate to say it's cash that greens after, but he doesn't care who or what gets shafted along the way.

[bigwheel]

Green is like the guy in a group who no one listens too...so he talks louder and louder trying to get heard ...

[GlenrothesHibee]

Charlie reckons his brand new football club should be promoted to the 2nd tier and quoted "sporting integrity" as the reason.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-must-be-promoted-in-new-set-up-says-green-1-2844083

For a club less than a year old I can't stop myself hating them, even more so than our maroon neighbours.

Those arrogant pink morons across the city have definitely overtaken Rangers in the hatred stakes. Not much in it though.

[Bill Milne]

It must be obvious by now that "sporting integrity" for Chuck is whatever suits him best at any given time. His strategy from the word go has been to suck up to Sevco fans, with a view, no doubt, to getting The Rangers into a position where he can flog them for a handsome profit.

[EuanH78]

It must be obvious by now that "sporting integrity" for Chuck is whatever suits him best at any given time. His strategy from the word go has been to suck up to Sevco fans, with a view, no doubt, to getting The Rangers into a position where he can flog them for a handsome profit.

To be fair, there is a hun at my work that I speak to/ wind up/ take the piss out of quite regularly on matters football related and he also thinks Chuckie is an embarrassment. He just wants them to work their way up the leagues and draw a line under the whole sorry mess. I will add he is actually a season ticket holder at Ibrox and tells me the majority that he knows feel the same.

His words ' Only the dafties listen to anything he (Chuckie) has to say'

[poolman]

http://i45.tinypic.com/33krcky.jpg

[Jim44]

His argument is that his club, likely to be promoted, should benefit from that and therefore, if reconstruction comes in, that would be to the second division. I wonder if the to$$er would be putting forward the same argument if Elgin or Peterhead were aiming for promotion.

[CentreLine]

I think it'd be more accurate to say it's cash that greens after, but he doesn't care who or what gets shafted along the way.

Fair point

[green glory]

Considering Sevco are burning £1m per month, that money will be coming from the £22.5m raised in the share issue. It'll only last so long.

Chuck has to try and make them an attractive prospect for any buyer, and have them as close as possible to competing in the top tier ASAP.

If they were in the first division next season as he wants then they'll be sellable. If not, and I actually think he won't get his way, then he'll need to offload them as quick as possible to make any money.

If there's no buyers, what then?

[StevieC]

Kept the history, back in the league without accounts, titles not stripped, etc. etc. Chuckie has got everything he's asked for, so it's little surprise that he's starting to dictate the outcome of events.

[silverhibee]

Charles Green and integrity :hilarious Never mind integrity, how the **** did that clown pass the SFA's so called fit and proper persons test, that must be some sort of joke.**** off Green ya ****in' roaster. :bye:



:agree:


And ram your Colts up your backside as well.

[Sir David Gray]

If The Rangers win the 3rd division this season then, if things stay the same, they would play in the second division next season and be another 2 years away from playing in the top division.

If the restructuring does take place then, although they will play in the bottom division next season, because there is one less league in that proposed set up, they'll still be just 2 years away from playing in the top league.

I don't see what's too difficult to understand about that.

One question I would like to ask Charles Green is this;

If The Rangers were to get special treatment and get promoted to the middle division under the restructured plan, which of the teams, that SHOULD be playing in this middle division, would drop down to the bottom division to make way for them and why should this happen?

If he can answer this for me and give a reasonable reply to this then I might change my mind.

Somehow, though, I doubt he will manage to do that.

[silverhibee]

Dismissing the decent support totally will only reinforce a siege like mentality. Nobody like us we don't care.
A large number of our support justified the Skacel song as just banter to wind the opposition up with yet it was seen as racist by many outside the club, (and a lot of our won supporters.) It wasn't booed down so, by your logic, are we all racists? (The Skacel song has just been used as an example, I have no in tention of turning this in to a debate on it's merits or otherwise. :greengrin)



:hmmm: :greengrin

[LioNeilMessi]

If The Rangers win the 3rd division this season then, if things stay the same, they would play in the second division next season and be another 2 years away from playing in the top division.

If the restructuring does take place then, although they will play in the bottom division next season, because there is one less league in that proposed set up, they'll still be just 2 years away from playing in the top league.

I don't see what's too difficult to understand about that.

One question I would like to ask Charles Green is this;

If The Rangers were to get special treatment and get promoted to the middle division under the restructured plan, which of the teams, that SHOULD be playing in this middle division, would drop down to the bottom division to make way for them and why should this happen?

If he can answer this for me and give a reasonable reply to this then I might change my mind.

Somehow, though, I doubt he will manage to do that.

:top marksYup that clown never thinks before any of his 'suggestions', and I don't believe for one second he has even thought of an answer for your question.

[PatHead]

His argument is that his club, likely to be promoted, should benefit from that and therefore, if reconstruction comes in, that would be to the second division. I wonder if the to$$er would be putting forward the same argument if Elgin or Peterhead were aiming for promotion.

Surely the team that wins the 2nd division should go up 2 leagues as well then so QoS will be in the SPL next year with Partick or whoever win the 1st division going straight into the Champions League. (The same logic)

[Hank Schrader]

One question I would like to ask Charles Green is this;

If The Rangers were to get special treatment and get promoted to the middle division under the restructured plan, which of the teams, that SHOULD be playing in this middle division, would drop down to the bottom division to make way for them and why should this happen?

If he can answer this for me and give a reasonable reply to this then I might change my mind.

Somehow, though, I doubt he will manage to do that.

It is absolutely impossible for him to come up with an answer that would satisfy me into changing my stance on Sevco getting a bye into a division below the SPL. It would be nothing other than corrupt to allow such an event.

The man is bonkers. To quote The Thick of It's Malcolm Tucker;

"He's mental, he's like Tom Cruises favourite ****ing brush."

[Sir David Gray]

Surely the team that wins the 2nd division should go up 2 leagues as well then so QoS will be in the SPL next year with Partick or whoever win the 1st division going straight into the Champions League. (The same logic)

Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

If anything, it's the top team in the first division from this season that should feel aggrieved by the new proposal. Under the current set up, they would be playing in the SPL next season but under the restructuring idea, they'll have yet another year trying to get promoted to the top league.

[KeithTheHibby]

He can bang on as much as he wants regarding reconstruction but his voice is only one and the powers that be and other clubs have shown that they are not interested in what Sevco want.

They don't even get a vote FFS!

[MB62]

Surely the team that wins the 2nd division should go up 2 leagues as well then so QoS will be in the SPL next year with Partick or whoever win the 1st division going straight into the Champions League. (The same logic)


Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

If anything, it's the top team in the first division from this season that should feel aggrieved by the new proposal. Under the current set up, they would be playing in the SPL next season but under the restructuring idea, they'll have yet another year trying to get promoted to the top league.

Think there is a bit of a WOOSH there FH. I believe 'Pathead' was talking about Charlie boys arguement about jumping two divisions, something he has obviously not thought about outside his Newco.

[StevieC]

Rangers WILL get promoted, so there IS sporting integrity.

The only difference is that every other 3rd Division club will ALSO get promoted.

It would be the same if the SPL was expanded, in that the top team gets promoted (as per the rules) but another 2/4 teams would also benefit from additional spaces available.

It's hardly rocket science, Chuckie!

[Bostonhibby]

Charlie reckons his brand new football club should be promoted to the 2nd tier and quoted "sporting integrity" as the reason.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-must-be-promoted-in-new-set-up-says-green-1-2844083

For a club less than a year old I can't stop myself hating them, even more so than our maroon neighbours.

:agree: Cheeky Charlie, all the front of a snake oil salesman, with one or two exceptions all the Scottish clubs are doing pretty well on the integrity front, thanks very much.

If he wants to align the integrity word with his newly formed club he could perhaps try to get at what damaged it in the first place and do the decent thing, - pay of a few of the debts they dodged, stop hiding behind technicalities and acknowledge the fundamental cheating that went on over contracts and maybe back up the statements about dealing with hatred and sectarianism with deeds rather than words?

Oh and while we are at it you would be a lot more credible if you stopped talking about moving to England and actually tried to do it. They don't want the toxic "brand" down here.

[Sylar]

Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)



So YET AGAIN, Airdrie stand to be saved from relegation?!

I'm against the structure for that reason alone!

[ballengeich]

Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

If anything, it's the top team in the first division from this season that should feel aggrieved by the new proposal. Under the current set up, they would be playing in the SPL next season but under the restructuring idea, they'll have yet another year trying to get promoted to the top league.

Other reports I've seen have said that promotion and relegation between division 1 and the premier would be as usual. They've also indicated that the final middle league position would be given to the winners of a playoff among the teams placed 2nd-5th in division 2. Have you a link to anything to back up your version?

[Keith_M]

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to postpone the league changes until 2014/5?

For one thing, it's totally crazy that we don't know at this point what the league structure will be for the coming season and the benefit would be that The Rangers would win promotion...to the 2nd division. Then Green and the other Muppets would have nothing to complain about (in regard to this issue only)

I can't see that there'd be any losers by just waiting :dunno:

[Hibercelona]

If The Rangers win the 3rd division this season then, if things stay the same, they would play in the second division next season and be another 2 years away from playing in the top division.

If the restructuring does take place then, although they will play in the bottom division next season, because there is one less league in that proposed set up, they'll still be just 2 years away from playing in the top league.

I don't see what's too difficult to understand about that.

One question I would like to ask Charles Green is this;

If The Rangers were to get special treatment and get promoted to the middle division under the restructured plan, which of the teams, that SHOULD be playing in this middle division, would drop down to the bottom division to make way for them and why should this happen?

If he can answer this for me and give a reasonable reply to this then I might change my mind.

Somehow, though, I doubt he will manage to do that.

He probably has thought about it.

But as far as he's concerned, they're just "wee teams" that The Rangers should just be allowed to barge out of the way.

Thats how arrogant these tossers are. I wish they would die again without any form of resurrection.

[Caversham Green]

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to postpone the league changes until 2014/5?

For one thing, it's totally crazy that we don't know at this point what the league structure will be for the coming season and the benefit would be that The Rangers would win promotion...to the 2nd division. Then Green and the other Muppets would have nothing to complain about (in regard to this issue only)

I can't see that there'd be any losers by just waiting :dunno:

That's the sensible solution IMO. Clubs should know at the start of any season what they are playing towards and what division they'll be playing in next season if they end up in a promotion or relegation position. I thought there was actually a rule that restructuring needed to be agreed one clear season before it was implemented.

[jdships]

integrity is regarded as the honesty and truthfulness or accuracy of one's actions. Integrity can be regarded as the opposite of hypocrisy

Can Mr Green hold his hand up and say he fits that definition of integrity ?
For me his every statement screams of hypocrisy .

He is becoming a dangerous man who hopefully will be kept in check .
Question is do the ' blazers' at Hampden have the b...s do do that ?
If not Scottish football could suffer the biggest fan rebellion ever

:rules:

[MB62]

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to postpone the league changes until 2014/5?

For one thing, it's totally crazy that we don't know at this point what the league structure will be for the coming season and the benefit would be that The Rangers would win promotion...to the 2nd division. Then Green and the other Muppets would have nothing to complain about (in regard to this issue only)

I can't see that there'd be any losers by just waiting :dunno:

You would still have the team winning the bottom league being in exactly the same situation that Newco are in at the moment, only difference is it wouldn't be Newco and there wouldn't be the same moaning and press coverage.

[Keith_M]

You would still have the team winning the bottom league being in exactly the same situation that Newco are in at the moment, only difference is it wouldn't be Newco and there wouldn't be the same moaning and press coverage.


That's easily dealt with.

I would give that team promotion to the second tier, which The Rangers would then be in, and announce it was for reasons of Sporting Integrity :greengrin

[down-the-slope]

Wouldn't the simplest solution be to postpone the league changes until 2014/5?

For one thing, it's totally crazy that we don't know at this point what the league structure will be for the coming season and the benefit would be that The Rangers would win promotion...to the 2nd division. Then Green and the other Muppets would have nothing to complain about (in regard to this issue only)

I can't see that there'd be any losers by just waiting :dunno:


That's the sensible solution IMO. Clubs should know at the start of any season what they are playing towards and what division they'll be playing in next season if they end up in a promotion or relegation position. I thought there was actually a rule that restructuring needed to be agreed one clear season before it was implemented.

Unfortunately not - the league sponsorship's end this season and the rush is there is the need for one unified 'product' to sell to a main sponsor (and TV)....can you imagine the loss in value of trying to sell the lame duck we have for one year knowing its all bout to change. There is so little money in the game that many clubs could not afford a season on greatly reduced central incomes....so there is an imperative to get reconstruction done and the new 'product' sold
- with the play offs seen as a real TV draw for additional income....

[hibsbollah]

Talking of 'integrity', I am keen to see what James Traynor Esquire's take on the situation is :agree:

[fat freddy]

Talking of 'integrity', I am keen to see what James Traynor Esquire's take on the situation is :agree:

i think its fair to assume that traynor helped charlie with his recent press release.

[macca70]

David Murry complains to the police about leaked information

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21852392

Poor Rangers, trying to make out they have been the victims in all this HMRC shambles.

As Bazza Anderson would say 'its all too complex'

[CropleyWasGod]

David Murry complains to the police about leaked information

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21852392

Poor Rangers, trying to make out they have been the victims in all this HMRC shambles.

As Bazza Anderson would say 'its all too complex'

I have to sympathise with SDM on this particular point.

Confidentiality is at the heart of the relationship between HMRC and the taxpayer and, in this situation, it was breached. Important information was put into the public domain in advance of legal proceedings and that could have had a prejudicial influence on the outcome of those proceedings.

[greenginger]

I have to sympathise with SDM on this particular point.

Confidentiality is at the heart of the relationship between HMRC and the taxpayer and, in this situation, it was breached. Important information was put into the public domain in advance of legal proceedings and that could have had a prejudicial influence on the outcome of those proceedings.

Did I not read recently that HMRC intended to name and shame Companies with aggressive tax avoidance policies ?

I don't think the privacey of a companies tax affairs can be enshrined in law.

[CropleyWasGod]

Did I not read recently that HMRC intended to name and shame Companies with aggressive tax avoidance policies ?

I don't think the privacey of a companies tax affairs can be enshrined in law.

It's in the Taxpayer's Charter, which HMRC adhere to. It doesn't currently have legal backing, although I understand that moves are afoot to make it so. I think the important question, from a legal point of view, is if the Data Protection Act has been breached.

If someone in HMRC has blown the whistle, then they deserve their jotters. If it's someone in MIM/RFC or their advisers, then they will have their own confidentiality procedures, and will be subject to them.

As for the "naming and shaming", it's not about aggressive tax-avoidance. It's about tax evasion, ie breaking the law. I have no problem in law-breakers being named but, as I understand it, HMRC will only use it as a last resort.

[JeMeSouviens]

Alloa chairman reacts to Chuckles with "mild amusement". :greengrin

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/leaguedivision2/4850416/Green-is-stung-by-Wasps.html

[jonty]

Did I not read recently that HMRC intended to name and shame Companies with aggressive tax avoidance policies ?

I don't think the privacey of a companies tax affairs can be enshrined in law.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/defaulters/index.htm :agree:

[ancient hibee]

Nope.

Under the proposed structure it would be made up in the following way;

Top league of 12 teams (current SPL teams)
Middle league of 12 teams (current first division teams and the top two teams from this season's second division)
Bottom league of 18 teams (3rd-10th from this season's second division plus the current third division teams)

If anything, it's the top team in the first division from this season that should feel aggrieved by the new proposal. Under the current set up, they would be playing in the SPL next season but under the restructuring idea, they'll have yet another year trying to get promoted to the top league.



The top league of 12 teams will not be the current SPL teams-it'll be 11 SPL teams plus winner of Div 1.

[Seveno]

I have to sympathise with SDM on this particular point.

Confidentiality is at the heart of the relationship between HMRC and the taxpayer and, in this situation, it was breached. Important information was put into the public domain in advance of legal proceedings and that could have had a prejudicial influence on the outcome of those proceedings.

'Sympathise with SDM' - you are sailing a bit too close to the wind this time, Crops. :cb

[Spike Mandela]

Alloa chairman reacts to Chuckles with "mild amusement". :greengrin

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/leaguedivision2/4850416/Green-is-stung-by-Wasps.html

I am rather proud to say as an adopted errrrmmm Alloa..ite that the Alloa chairman has been a stalwart of integrity through the whole Sevco process and will never be strong armed by Sevco/SPL/SFL bullies.

[Bostonhibby]

I thought they were due to win 4 comps this season :confused:

Still plenty time, Cheeky Charlie might yet decide to demand that the SPL and League award them 3 additional trophies.

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/defaulters/index.htm :agree:

Those are defaulters, though, which isn't the same as avoiders.

[CropleyWasGod]

'Sympathise with SDM' - you are sailing a bit too close to the wind this time, Crops. :cb

Maybe I should've used the word "understand" instead. :greengrin

Nah, sod it, even the devil has some good music sometimes......

[jonty]

Those are defaulters, though, which isn't the same as avoiders.

Doesn't everyone try to avoid paying tax? :greengrin

[green glory]

Following on from a general downward trend since the share issue, Sevco's shares took a bit of a nosedive this morning. I wonder what's up, something nasty I hope.

http://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=RFC

[Spike Mandela]

Following on from a general downward trend since the share issue, Sevco's shares took a bit of a nosedive this morning. I wonder what's up, something nasty I hope.

http://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=RFC

The announcement of the date for voting for Scottish Independance...... Coincidence?

[green glory]

The announcement of the date for voting for Scottish Independance...... Coincidence?

Lol maybe. What would they do without their beloved Union Jack?

[LeighLoyal]

A large portion of SevCo AIM stock will be locked in from the flotation, one year, expect serious drops under the offering price when these lapse. This is an entity losing £1m a month with no published accounts.

[CropleyWasGod]

A large portion of SevCo AIM stock will be locked in from the flotation, one year, expect serious drops under the offering price when these lapse. This is an entity losing £1m a month with no published accounts.

So who is selling?

[jdships]

http://i.minus.com/ib2caEpENwdJnK.gif

Poor attempt my Lee McCulloch to get a penalty :greengrin
Thought Ally would have him better trained :wink:

[Pretty Boy]

Official attendance - 125 000 with 10 000 more locked out apparently.

[Off the bar]

Not sure what's more embarrassing, that dive or claiming 40,000+ crowd

[Moulin Yarns]

The queue for the pies must have been huge, as, according the 'official' attendance, there were only 5,000 empty seats.

[Jack Hackett]

You've got it all wrong....Those are the early arrivals for the next home game, trying to avoid the crush at the gate

[chinaman]

i`m truly amazed that the ref never gave them it.no surprises with "fat boy" lee tho, a true blue hun desperado

[IndieHibby]

Cheating; as plain as you are likely to see it.

[HoboHarry]

i`m truly amazed that the ref never gave them it.no surprises with "fat boy" lee tho, a true blue hun desperado
The referee could not have given a penalty. The ball was "dead" as it was out of play with the corner not having been taken. He could of course have sent the player off or, as he should have done, booked the ugly one....

[weonlywon6-2]

They really are struggling in that league.Claiming large crowds is just a joke cause its clear they aint turning up through thick and thin
Follow follow, yeah ok then

[Winston Ingram]

They really are struggling in that league.Claiming large crowds is just a joke cause its clear they aint turning up through thick and thin
Follow follow, yeah ok then

They don't walk away - they sprint:agree:

[Hibernia Na Eir]

this season has been a shambles for them on the pitch. the fun will really begin when the Div 2 teams whip them every other week.
Huns are a laughing stock.

[Winston Ingram]

Official Attendance yesterday - 44,608:faf:

Lucky if there was half that

[The Green Goblin]

That is embarrassing- even for a hun huddy like him

[Jim44]

i`m truly amazed that the ref never gave them it.no surprises with "fat boy" lee tho, a true blue hun desperado

Even one of his team-mates is looking over with a look of incredulity as if to say 'What the fluk, Lee. Get up and don't embarrass us anymore than we've already embarrassed ourselves.'

[plhibs]

That deserves a long suspension and fine, but will they have the guts to do it.

[Jones28]

44k at Ibrox yesterday? Not a chance, half that maximum.

[LeighLoyal]

If they are serious about that laughable attendance claim then it says a lot about their other T'Rangers/SevCo franchise claims.

Fingers, toes and everything else crossed this vile, zombie tribute act die soon.

[marti1875]

I was just having an ermmmm "debate" with an ugly orc earlier in the pub and my god, they are as, if not more deluded than our deluded pink bush shelter dwellers, insisting it was almost full blah blah blah, even when i showed him the pics of the half empty stadium DURING the game, not at fulltime he just wouldnae accept that there was probably about 25,000 there....they are so well suited tae each other, deluded to the extreme......

[brog]

Almost as bad as McGregor's vs Deek. Casper strikes again!

[linlithgowhibbie]

It's not like he has previous for diving!!!!!!!

[cabbageandribs1875]

how utterly embarrassing for that thug McCulloch :bitchy: the buns could pen a new song, instead of "The blue sea of ibrox" they could have "The blue seats of ibrox" there's certainly lots of them :greengrin

[hibbymick]

Stirlings centre half gave LM a good elbow in the coupon early doors if i remember correctly , nice to see someone like that get a taste of his own medicine.

[Glory Lurker]

The cynicism on this thread is really quite embarrassing - there was definitely 44K there yesterday. Don't you know that ibrox has been doubled in size recently in preparation for sevco's imminent ascension to the English Premiership?

[Jonnyboy]

Are you watching Mr Compliance Officer?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Poor crowds I was informed when I quizzed about the lean years attendances at the Brox - a protest.
when collectively as a support folks are this blinkered there's no point in arguing.

[CropleyWasGod]

Are you watching Mr Compliance Officer?

Yeah, I saw it.

The Orange ******* got what was coming to him. I hope it hurt.

Oh, and I'm offering him a 15-match suspension.

Vincent "Two Popes" Lunny.

[Jonnyboy]

Yeah, I saw it.

The Orange ******* got what was coming to him. I hope it hurt.

Oh, and I'm offering him a 15-match suspension.

Vincent "Two Popes" Lunny.

Typical SFA being lenient with the huns :wink:

[monktonharp]

first I've seen of this, but the team/club captain is a disgrace. obviously trying to con the ref into giving them a peno. disgracefull stuff

[plhibs]

Old saying, three guesses who the ref. was and the first two don't count.:greengrin

[InterviewLoI]

Even if there was half, even a quarter, of what they're claiming it's still more than we get in every week! Priorities guys

[cabbageandribs1875]

Even if there was half, even a quarter, of what they're claiming it's still more than we get in every week! Priorities guys




how do you mean :confused: what's priorities got to do with a 1/3 full castle grayskull :dunno:

[lEXO]

Even if there was half, even a quarter, of what they're claiming it's still more than we get in every week! Priorities guys

What priorities should we have?

[lapsedhibee]

Even if there was half, even a quarter, of what they're claiming it's still more than we get in every week! Priorities guys

It's quite a high priority of mine, thanks, to mock fantasist clubs - especially those who are bigger than us, and even if they've not yet been in existence for a year.

[hibsbollah]

It's quite a high priority of mine, thanks, to mock fantasist clubs - especially those who are bigger than us, and even if they've not yet been in existence for a year.

:agree: Theres not enough time in the universe for all the mockery. Priority Number One.

[gobragh1875]

They are at it with eufa and FIFA brining in the money thing in to play (you can only pay out what you bring in )the Hun and the plastic paddy are at it saying they bring in more than they do so as to confirm with the new laws coming out

[The_Sauz]

Old saying, three guesses who the ref. was and the first two don't count.:greengrin

Charlie" The Yam" Richmond :na na:

[blackpoolhibs]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-chief-charles-green-playing-1783482


That guy continues to up the anti in talking sheite, i keep saying he cant say anything worse than his last statement, but he keeps giving more?

[Jack Hackett]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-chief-charles-green-playing-1783482


That guy continues to up the anti in talking sheite, i keep saying he cant say anything worse than his last statement, but he keeps giving more?

When you only have one drum, the tendency is to bang it all the time.

[VickMackie]

Yeah, I saw it.

The Orange ******* got what was coming to him. I hope it hurt.

Oh, and I'm offering him a 15-match suspension.

Vincent "Two Popes" Lunny.

I know this was tongue in cheek but the orange b shouldn't have a place here...

[CropleyWasGod]

I know this was tongue in cheek but the orange b shouldn't have a place here...

It was satire.

The comment was "written" by Vincent Lunny.

[greenginger]

They've got to falsify their attendances. How can they be part of the European Elite club's set-up with attendances less than most English championship sides ?

Green is right with with one thing though, Sevco and OldHunCo are the same Club. Still the same lying, cheating bunch of obnoxious barstewards.

Let them leave Scottish football but make it clear it is a one-way ticket, no leaving a Rangers Colts behind as a free pass back if it is'nt the promised land.

If they leave they have to realise they are crossing the Rubicon ! Not that Chuckie would be likely to know what that is. :greengrin

[LeighLoyal]

Green thinks the £5bn Sky EPL needs his SFL3 newco zombie tribute act outfit... :faf:



Always a good chestnut to feed the horde with I guess.

[RyeSloan]

Arrogant tos**r doesn't even begin to describe this man.

Bigger than Newcastle? Automatic top 10 because of their size.....twonk.

[jdships]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-chief-charles-green-playing-1783482


That guy continues to up the anti in talking sheite, i keep saying he cant say anything worse than his last statement, but he keeps giving more?

I have hesitated to post this as it sounded so far fetched but having read the Daily ****** quote here is what I heard a few days ago
from a friend who is a shareholder/ST holder at Carlisle Utd

' Green's people have had a chat with our board about buying Carlisle United and taking their place in 'League One ' ,not sure how far these talks have gone BUT .............. , no smoke without fire !!!. '

Easy journey W of Scotland to Carlisle by road /bus/train

Time will tell :rolleyes:

[lapsedhibee]

I have hesitated to post this as it sounded so far fetched but having read the Daily ****** quote here is what I heard a few days ago
from a friend who is a shareholder/ST holder at Carlisle Utd

' Green's people have had a chat with our board about buying Carlisle United and taking their place in 'League One ' ,not sure how far these talks have gone BUT .............. , no smoke without fire !!!. '

Easy journey W of Scotland to Carlisle by road /bus/train

Time will tell :rolleyes:

Well plausible. Didn't St Mirren sack a director for feeding the the huns info which would have been helpful to their taking over St Mirren to get a place in the SPL? :dunno:

[worcesterhibby]

If you watch the highlights on the BBC website..it looks like a have decent attendance at the start. Looks like around 60-70% of the crown left before the end....which is strange since they "don't do walking away"

Glory seeking bigots that can't face watching their overpaid team scrape a draw.

[grunt]

I have hesitated to post this as it sounded so far fetched but having read the Daily ****** quote here is what I heard a few days ago from a friend who is a shareholder/ST holder at Carlisle Utd

' Green's people have had a chat with our board about buying Carlisle United and taking their place in 'League One ' ,not sure how far these talks have gone BUT .............. , no smoke without fire !!!. '

Would Carlisle United get to keep their 5 titles? They'd be buying the club, not the company surely?

[VickMackie]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-chief-charles-green-playing-1783482


That guy continues to up the anti in talking sheite, i keep saying he cant say anything worse than his last statement, but he keeps giving more?

Disrespecting some of the wry clubs they'll need support from. Telling the owner of one of their biggest sponsors they're a bigger club, having the audicity to suggest the fans of conference teams they'd flock to see them is funny.

[VickMackie]

It was satire.

The comment was "written" by Vincent Lunny.

I know but it could be misconstrued, you'll have the polis at your door I'm the morning. :tee hee:

[LeighLoyal]

Carlisle buying SevCo is more likely surely.

[Boyle89]

I watched Southampton play Wigan. The stadium wasn’t full – there were empty seats. Now there is no way any team Rangers play will have empty seats.

Except you can't fill your own stadium.

[Baldy Foghorn]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-chief-charles-green-playing-1783482


That guy continues to up the anti in talking sheite, i keep saying he cant say anything worse than his last statement, but he keeps giving more?

More hot air and baloney from Greene.....

Two clubs have said "come and buy us and close us down"....:rolleyes:

"We would be bigger than Newcastle":rolleyes:

Does he really believe this, or has he been on the jungle juice/magic mushrooms combo?

[IWasThere2016]

More hot air and baloney from Greene.....

Two clubs have said "come and buy us and close us down"....:rolleyes:

"We would be bigger than Newcastle":rolleyes:

Does he really believe this, or has he been on the jungle juice/magic mushrooms combo?

He just needs several thousand knuckle-draggers to believe him :greengrin

[Baldy Foghorn]

He just needs several thousand knuckle-draggers to believe him :greengrin

He continually mouths off, and panders to the knuckle-draggers....

Last week he was saying the Rangers must be in top division, now he is saying they will be off in 5 years......I can't wait for the day, these corrupt, bigoted, vile cretins, do leave, because they certainly will not be missed.....

[s.a.m]

Stuart 1888‏@white_italy21m (http://www.hibs.net/white_italy/status/316217718833573889)Why would Craig Whyte be appointed as a new board member of The rangers FC Group Limited on 21/3/2013. Last thursday? pic.twitter.com/w2qK3KWuhd (http://t.co/w2qK3KWuhd)
Retweeted by James Doleman (http://www.hibs.net/jamesdoleman)

[CropleyWasGod]

Stuart 1888‏@white_italy21m (http://www.hibs.net/white_italy/status/316217718833573889)Why would Craig Whyte be appointed as a new board member of The rangers FC Group Limited on 21/3/2013. Last thursday? pic.twitter.com/w2qK3KWuhd (http://t.co/w2qK3KWuhd)
Retweeted by James Doleman (http://www.hibs.net/jamesdoleman)

Nothing to do with the current set-up.

It's the company formerly known as Wavetower, which was (IIRC) one of CW's vehicles in the previous regime.

It's about to be struck off.

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//compdetails

Go and retweet that :greengrin

[Part/Time Supporter]

Stuart 1888‏@white_italy21m (http://www.hibs.net/white_italy/status/316217718833573889)Why would Craig Whyte be appointed as a new board member of The rangers FC Group Limited on 21/3/2013. Last thursday? pic.twitter.com/w2qK3KWuhd (http://t.co/w2qK3KWuhd)
Retweeted by James Doleman (http://www.hibs.net/jamesdoleman)

That picture is bogus. Most of it is the company history of the parent company (formerly called Wavetower) Whyte used to acquire the old Rangers company, but the top line has been doctored to look like that. Some of the history has also been deleted (eg strike off suspended in August). No accounts were ever filed and it is still under a proposal to be struck off.

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Carlisle buying SevCo is more likely surely.

The chances of Huns ever playing down south will forever remain a pipe dream for the them. They've been told they're not and never will be welcome so why do they think that'll ever change?!!
The big eared Yorkshirman obviously sees things differently.

[Spike Mandela]

How to deal with Rangers fans George Galloway style...........


http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=qXxpU1jF_ok&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqXxpU1jF_ok%26feature%3 Dyoutu.be

[jonty]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22012125

I can appreciate that newco shouldn't be paying oldco bills, but if they continue to try and hang on to oldco history then why shouldn't they.

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22012125

I can appreciate that newco shouldn't be paying oldco bills, but if they continue to try and hang on to oldco history then why shouldn't they.

It was part of the SFA licence deal, so there should be no argument IMO.

[LeighLoyal]

Is this another Green, "no, we're actually newco moment!" ? :faf:

[Eyrie]

From the article

Both oldco and newco Rangers initially stated they would not take part in proceedings but they were eventually represented by the same legal team at the hearing.But of course they’re not the same, oh no, not in any way whatsoever.

[matty_f]

When he said that no blame was attached to (the) rangers fc... Wasn't it the case that they were found to have deliberately withheld the payment info and only kept their titles because there was no provision to make a player ineligible after they'd been considered eligible?

[down-the-slope]

Nae luck Chuckie :greengrin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246)

[Kaiser1962]

It seems Whyte and Green DID know each other..

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4873936/Green-played-up-front-for-me.html

And Greens response

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4873912/Green-I-shafted-Whyte-to-get-Gers.html


Scam anyone ? :dunno:

[Moulin Yarns]

It seems Whyte and Green DID know each other..

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4873936/Green-played-up-front-for-me.html

And Greens response

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4873912/Green-I-shafted-Whyte-to-get-Gers.html


Scam anyone ? :dunno:

Simple question, why has it taken Whyte so long to come up with "The Evidence"?

I tend to agree with Green's view, "tell him what he wants to hear to get Rangers"

[greenginger]

Simple question, why has it taken Whyte so long to come up with "The Evidence"?

I tend to agree with Green's view, "tell him what he wants to hear to get Rangers"


May'be he did'nt want to distract them in their quest for the 3rd division title. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

They deserve each other, IMO.

[LeighLoyal]

Green sounds a desperate man in the Hun. Tried to supress the story, Whytey produced the tapes, Hun prints the story. His rebuttal is pretty laughable just like all his statements. We will soon get to know who his Sevco mysterons really are, crooks R us.

[blackpoolhibs]

White has admitted he told porkies so he could get the club, i suppose the authorities might be interested to know that a fit and proper person has lied to get control of a football club in Scotland. :rolleyes:

[EuanH78]

White has admitted he told porkies so he could get the club, i suppose the authorities might be interested to know that a fit and proper person has lied to get control of a football club in Scotland. :rolleyes:#

I assume you mean Green but it does somewhat resemble fraud in any case.

Rangers/ The Rangers/ T'Rangers - the gift that keeps on giving, and giving. :greengrin

[LeighLoyal]

Would like to know what BDO make of this, surely already a decent case for gratuitous aliention by Duff and Phelps is now stronger . Plus the HMRC appeal still to report. The only sad thing is the majority of Sevco shares are locked in so we don't real the know the market sentiment on T'Rangers International stock. Hope there is some real pain ahead for Sevcovians.

[LeighLoyal]

From, SSN. Sally demanding answers from Green:


Ally McCoist hopes Rangers supporters can be spared further heartache as the latest row over the club's ownership heads for court.
Craig Whyte, who owned oldco Rangers until last year's administration and subsequent liquidation, is demanding a cut of the current club from chief executive Charles Green and is threatening legal action.
Whyte claims Green was acting as his frontman when he bought the remnants of oldco Rangers before transferring them to a new company and establishing the reformed club in Division Three this season.
Green has admitted sweet-talking Whyte during negotiations but, in an interview with the Scottish Sun, warned his predecessor any demand for shares or regular payments now is "not going to happen".
In the meantime, McCoist has again been left to face questions about boardroom wrangling, and the manager said: "I'll definitely be meeting Charles and having a chat.
"But without doubt again the main people I feel sorry for are the supporters who have kept this club going in the last 18 months.
"I definitely feel for them because just when we seem to be getting a bit of clarity something else comes from left field.
"I've got no doubts the press and media will be asking questions, as they rightly do, so I'd be very hopeful that once again our supporters can get answers they deserve."


In short, I think he now knows Green is another crook.

[Mr White]

In short, I think he now knows Green is another crook.

allys as crooked as whyte and green. no way he doesnt know the ins and outs of whats gone on with the ownership, he's invested his own money in the club. I'd file this in the same place as his demands to know the identity of the panel last summer as it's another disingenuous attempt to stay on side with the fans. At least this time the only person likely to come to harm as a result is uncle chuckles.

[LeighLoyal]

allys as crooked as whyte and green. no way he doesnt know the ins and outs of whats gone on with the ownership, he's invested his own money in the club. I'd file this in the same place as his demands to know the identity of the panel last summer- ie a disingenuous attempt to stay on side with the fans.


That could be the key phrase in bold. He knows there is potential the shares are suspended and his pot of Ibrox gold turns to a pot of sh it, hence why he's not doing the usual attempt to sweep this under the carpet. Trouble at Chuckle's mill!

[greenginger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246

Is this another bill for Green to settle ? Its a good job he has got big hands, deep pockets would also help.


Did he ever have any chance of winning this one or was he just keeping the Bears onside.

[down-the-slope]

Nae luck Chuckie :greengrin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246)


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22035246

Is this another bill for Green to settle ? Its a good job he has got big hands, deep pockets would also help.


Did he ever have any chance of winning this one or was he just keeping the Bears onside.

Keep up :wink:


Is that Ally asking again to find out 'who these people really are' - difference being they are running the Asylum

[s.a.m]

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/

Charles Green agreed to receive £25,000 from Craig Whyte's associate By Mike Farrell 9 April 2013 17:30 BST

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http://nfs.stvfiles.com/imagebase/127/623x349/127273-charles-green-enters-ibrox-stadium.jpgCharles Green: The Rangers chief executive admitted agreeing to accept the £25,000 payment from Mr Whyte.SNS Group<a href="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" target="_blank"> <img src="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/adstream_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" alt="" /> </a>
Rangers chief executive Charles Green agreed to receive a £25,000 payment from Craig Whyte’s business partner during the early stages of his buyout of the club.
The transaction was made from Aidan Earley to Mr Green’s personal bank account, as the Sevco consortium moved into poll position in the bidding process.
STV has seen evidence that appears to suggest the £25,000 was sent to Mr Green’s account on May 11, 2012.
In an interview with STV News, Mr Green stated the cheque, which was to be used to pay legal fees for Field Fisher Waterhouse, bounced and he ended up paying the lawyers himself.
The exchange makes up part of the legal case Mr Whyte is launching against Mr Green and his group, claiming that they were acting as a "front" for him during the £5.5m deal for the club’s assets last summer.
STV has also obtained a recorded conversation between Mr Green and Mr Whyte, which is said to have taken place on May 9 last year, in which the former Sheffield United chief executive said: "I f*****g, I need money off you (Craig Whyte)" to cover the Field Fisher Waterhouse bill.
On Tuesday, STV contacted Rangers for comment in relation to the recorded conversation, but at the time of publication they had not responded.
The payment is believed to relate to the setting up of the off-the-shelf company, Sevco 5088 Limited, which was the vehicle that Mr Whyte claims he and Mr Green were using to takeover Rangers. Sevco 5088 was identified by administrators Duff and Phelps days later as being the newco that would purchase the club’s assets in the event of the failure of a company voluntary arrangement (CVA).
Mr Green told STV: "My Whyte didn't pay money into my bank account. £25,000 was put into my bank account. For legal costs. And three days later, the cheque bounced."
Mr Green stated that the cheque was from New Malden, the area of Surrey where Mr Earley is based. Mr Green stated it was "to cover the legal expenses that Aiden Earley and Mr Whyte had incurred in starting up the process with Field Fisher Waterhouse, who refused to do any further work without money up front."
Documentation seen by STV suggest that £25,000 was paid out of a business account associated with Mr Earley on May 15, six days after his meeting with Mr Green and Mr Whyte.
In the audio recording of the meeting, Mr Green is heard saying to Mr Whyte: "Well, the next step is, we've got to f*****g give them (Field Fisher Waterhouse) some money."
He is also heard saying that he will tell the legal firm "Oh, Craig's gone, Craig's gone" in relation to the £25,000 payment.
Mr Green adds: "I f*****g, I need money off you [Craig Whyte]." Mr Whyte is heard responding: "Yeah, if you, if you give me your details I'll cover whatever you’ve got to pay out. It's not a problem."
The recording shows that Mr Green responded: "What I'm saying is, there's no f*****g, there'll be no trace into my f*****g bank account. But I'll f*****g, but I'll do it now, I'll write it out now. I'll give them a cheque for £25,000 from me." He adds: "I'm the f*****g director of the company. I'm their client, I'll give them twenty-five grand."
Mr Whyte has instructed a London QC to prepare a writ to be served on the current Rangers regime, claiming they have carried out "unjust enrichment" through "deception". In a letter warning of legal action sent to Rangers, Mr Green and finance director Imran Ahmad last December, Mr Whyte alleges that the group were brought into the Rangers buyout process to act as a "front" for him.
He claims to have evidence that backs up his statements, while last week Mr Green stated in an interview with the Scottish Sun on Sunday that he and Mr Ahmad had told Mr Whyte "what he wanted to hear" because they wanted to "keep him sweet to prise the club away from him".
Mr Green told STV that he has spoken to Rangers’ lawyers and is planning on submitting a report to Police Scotland in relation to the conduct of Mr Whyte, who purchased Sir David Murray’s 85% stake for £1 in May 2011.

[LeighLoyal]

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/

Charles Green agreed to receive £25,000 from Craig Whyte's associate

By Mike Farrell 9 April 2013 17:30 BST

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http://nfs.stvfiles.com/imagebase/127/623x349/127273-charles-green-enters-ibrox-stadium.jpgCharles Green: The Rangers chief executive admitted agreeing to accept the £25,000 payment from Mr Whyte.SNS Group<a href="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" target="_blank"> <img src="http://oas.stv.tv/RealMedia/ads/adstream_nx.ads/local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/11365526854@Frame1" alt="" /> </a>
Rangers chief executive Charles Green agreed to receive a £25,000 payment from Craig Whyte’s business partner during the early stages of his buyout of the club.
The transaction was made from Aidan Earley to Mr Green’s personal bank account, as the Sevco consortium moved into poll position in the bidding process.
STV has seen evidence that appears to suggest the £25,000 was sent to Mr Green’s account on May 11, 2012.
In an interview with STV News, Mr Green stated the cheque, which was to be used to pay legal fees for Field Fisher Waterhouse, bounced and he ended up paying the lawyers himself.
The exchange makes up part of the legal case Mr Whyte is launching against Mr Green and his group, claiming that they were acting as a "front" for him during the £5.5m deal for the club’s assets last summer.
STV has also obtained a recorded conversation between Mr Green and Mr Whyte, which is said to have taken place on May 9 last year, in which the former Sheffield United chief executive said: "I f*****g, I need money off you (Craig Whyte)" to cover the Field Fisher Waterhouse bill.
On Tuesday, STV contacted Rangers for comment in relation to the recorded conversation, but at the time of publication they had not responded.
The payment is believed to relate to the setting up of the off-the-shelf company, Sevco 5088 Limited, which was the vehicle that Mr Whyte claims he and Mr Green were using to takeover Rangers. Sevco 5088 was identified by administrators Duff and Phelps days later as being the newco that would purchase the club’s assets in the event of the failure of a company voluntary arrangement (CVA).
Mr Green told STV: "My Whyte didn't pay money into my bank account. £25,000 was put into my bank account. For legal costs. And three days later, the cheque bounced."
Mr Green stated that the cheque was from New Malden, the area of Surrey where Mr Earley is based. Mr Green stated it was "to cover the legal expenses that Aiden Earley and Mr Whyte had incurred in starting up the process with Field Fisher Waterhouse, who refused to do any further work without money up front."
Documentation seen by STV suggest that £25,000 was paid out of a business account associated with Mr Earley on May 15, six days after his meeting with Mr Green and Mr Whyte.
In the audio recording of the meeting, Mr Green is heard saying to Mr Whyte: "Well, the next step is, we've got to f*****g give them (Field Fisher Waterhouse) some money."
He is also heard saying that he will tell the legal firm "Oh, Craig's gone, Craig's gone" in relation to the £25,000 payment.
Mr Green adds: "I f*****g, I need money off you [Craig Whyte]." Mr Whyte is heard responding: "Yeah, if you, if you give me your details I'll cover whatever you’ve got to pay out. It's not a problem."
The recording shows that Mr Green responded: "What I'm saying is, there's no f*****g, there'll be no trace into my f*****g bank account. But I'll f*****g, but I'll do it now, I'll write it out now. I'll give them a cheque for £25,000 from me." He adds: "I'm the f*****g director of the company. I'm their client, I'll give them twenty-five grand."
Mr Whyte has instructed a London QC to prepare a writ to be served on the current Rangers regime, claiming they have carried out "unjust enrichment" through "deception". In a letter warning of legal action sent to Rangers, Mr Green and finance director Imran Ahmad last December, Mr Whyte alleges that the group were brought into the Rangers buyout process to act as a "front" for him.
He claims to have evidence that backs up his statements, while last week Mr Green stated in an interview with the Scottish Sun on Sunday that he and Mr Ahmad had told Mr Whyte "what he wanted to hear" because they wanted to "keep him sweet to prise the club away from him".
Mr Green told STV that he has spoken to Rangers’ lawyers and is planning on submitting a report to Police Scotland in relation to the conduct of Mr Whyte, who purchased Sir David Murray’s 85% stake for £1 in May 2011.


http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/220791-charles-green-agreed-to-receive-25000-from-craig-whytes-associate/




Link now up. Absolute dynamite stuff.

[StevieC]

while last week Mr Green stated in an interview with the Scottish Sun on Sunday that he and Mr Ahmad had told Mr Whyte "what he wanted to hear" because they wanted to "keep him sweet to prise the club away from him".

Charles Green is EXACTLY the sort of person that needs to be running things at The Rangers. :greengrin

[jodjam]

The stv journo on Scotland today seems to be doing some decent work here

[StevieC]

Link now up. Absolute dynamite stuff.

So Charles Green was brought in by Craig Whyte (which I think we all guessed anyway) in order to "grab" the assets on the cheap.

CG decided fairly early on that he could shaft CW, and make himself a tidy profit. He has now control over a nice piece of real estate and has pocketed a few million from a "mickey mouse" share issue. He's clearly the sort of person that will be saying one thing to The Rangers supporters whilst wondering how long he can keep his "cash cow" running.

Expect the other "investors" to be slowly shafted over the next year or so and then the whole process to start all over again, before they even manage to reach the SPL. :wink:

[green glory]

It seems it's happening again. This time I think it's going to be far worse for them.

[Onion]

Charles Green is EXACTLY the sort of person that needs to be running things at The Rangers. :greengrin

Fit and proper :rolleyes: You do really wonder what the **** the SFA/SPL do.

This is going to end with poeple going to jail :greengrin

[adhibs]

It seems it's happening again. This time I think it's going to be far worse for them.

Hopefully

[AlbertK86]

Fit and proper :rolleyes: You do really wonder what the **** the SFA/SPL do.

This is going to end with poeple going to jail :greengrin

Hopefully !!

[YehButNoBut]

The stv journo on Scotland today seems to be doing some decent work here

:agree: part of the interview here

http://sport.stv.tv/football/220759-charles-green-challenged-on-manchester-united-and-dallas-cowboys-claims/

[s.a.m]

Mike Farrell‏@mikefstv18m (http://www.hibs.net/mikefstv/status/321922994962329600)Ticketus wins £17.7m legal action against former Rangers owner Craig Whyte over Ibrox season tickets deal http://bit.ly/XrN5qh (http://t.co/9bgxxKePnB)

[Billy Whizz]

[QUOTE=s.a.m;3560500]Mike Farrell‏@mikefstv18m (http://www.hibs.net/mikefstv/status/321922994962329600)Ticketus wins £17.7m legal action against former Rangers owner Craig Whyte over Ibrox season tickets deal [URL="http://t.co/9bgxxKePnB"][COLOR=#0084b4]http://bit.ly/XrN5qh[/

Who pays this

[blackpoolhibs]

So where don't get get the money paid from

:confused:

[CropleyWasGod]

So where don't get get the money paid from

:greengrin

I'll go first.

If you mean "where does the money get paid from?", in theory it's CW. It was him who was sued.IIRC, CW is potless just now.

He is, of course, suing Green. That might help.

[s.a.m]

Can he afford to sue him, though?
Naive question here, but are the revelations about Charles Green's acquisition of The Rangers evidence of wrong-doing (legal, rather than moral), that the authorities would have an interest in following up? Or are you allowed to do that?

[CropleyWasGod]

Can he afford to sue him, though?
Naive question here, but are the revelations by and about Charles Green's acquisition of The Rangers evidence of wrong-doing (legal, rather than moral), that the authorities would have an interest in following up? Or are you allowed to do that?

He can get Legal Aid :greengrin

On your second point, no idea. Thus far, it's just been "he says that to me"/"naw I didny". No evidence, for me, of criminality... just wide-boys fighting in the playground. There may be civil issues, of course, but it's too early to judge whether any criminal law has been broken.

[s.a.m]

He can get Legal Aid :greengrin

On your second point, no idea. Thus far, it's just been "he says that to me"/"naw I didny". No evidence, for me, of criminality... just wide-boys fighting in the playground. There may be civil issues, of course, but it's too early to judge whether any criminal law has been broken.
:aok:

[Billy Whizz]

:confused:
Typo funny guy. Meant who pay this?

[CropleyWasGod]

Typo funny guy. Meant who pay this?

Craig pay this.

[Billy Whizz]

Craig pay this.

Hope he's insured

[CropleyWasGod]

Hope he's insured

See my explanation above.

I don't think many insurance companies write policies to cover one for devious duplicity. :cb

[EuanH78]

Craig pay this.

I found this post hilarious.

[CropleyWasGod]

I found this post hilarious.

Yer easy pleased. I didny. :na na:

[green glory]

@Pmacgiollabhain: What would you do if ,as a CEO,thought that your stadium was about to be padlocked by a legal wrangle? #DiscussTheSituationWithaBuddy

[Seveno]

:agree: part of the interview here

http://sport.stv.tv/football/220759-charles-green-challenged-on-manchester-united-and-dallas-cowboys-claims/

You can always tell if Chuckie is telling a lie...........................his lips aremoving.

[Speedway]

:agree: part of the interview here

http://sport.stv.tv/football/220759-charles-green-challenged-on-manchester-united-and-dallas-cowboys-claims/

Chuckles comes across shadier than a forest of pine trees.

[green glory]

@Pmacgiollabhain: What would you do if ,as a CEO,thought that your stadium was about to be padlocked by a legal wrangle? #DiscussTheSituationWithaBuddy

Chuckles was at the St Mirren v Celtic game recently, meeting Stuart Gilmore.

Sevco games being played in Paisley soon?

[Keith_M]

Chuckles was at the St Mirren v Celtic game recently, meeting Stuart Gilmore.

Sevco games being played in Paisley soon?


In an 8,000 capacity stadium?

If they did lose their stadium, I'm sure the SFA would step up to the plate and offer Hampden at a very reasonable rate.



I have to be honest, I was more suspicious about the fact that they met just before St Mirren made their official statement regarding league reconstruction. The statement said all the things most of us wanted to hear but the essence is that their vote is going the way that The Rangers would have wanted. Co-incidence? Possibly, but I now wouldn't discount anything in Scottish Football.

[StevieC]

I have to be honest, I was more suspicious about the fact that they met just before St Mirren made their official statement regarding league reconstruction. The statement said all the things most of us wanted to hear but the essence is that their vote is going the way that The Rangers would have wanted. Co-incidence? Possibly, but I now wouldn't discount anything in Scottish Football.

If, for once, the views of the majority of supporters match that of Rangers then there is even more of a chance that the proposals are not rail-roaded through. I think you may be being a bit harsh on Gilmour though, as he has openly (and loudly) stated his views in the past and doesn't really come across as anyone's lap dog. The Killie chairman on the other hand .. :rolleyes:

Rangers are only against it because it means another season of playing the same teams they've been playing this year, and I suspect their supporters wouldn't be too keen on signing up another years season ticket money to go through that again.

[grunt]

One of my friends has texted to say that there are sheriff's officers at Ibrox.
Anyone know anything about this, or is it just another Celtic fan on the wind up?

[green glory]

One of my friends has texted to say that there are sheriff's officers at Ibrox.
Anyone know anything about this, or is it just another Celtic fan on the wind up?

Have they got a big blue padlock?

[jgl07]

In an 8,000 capacity stadium?

If they did lose their stadium, I'm sure the SFA would step up to the plate and offer Hampden at a very reasonable rate.


The SFA do not own Hampden. Queens Park do.

[Since90+2]

And it continues.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22096954

[blackpoolhibs]

The SFA do not own Hampden. Queens Park do.

Are you sure, i thought the SFA took over the running of the ground many years ago?

[Since90+2]

Are you sure, i thought the SFA took over the running of the ground many years ago?

Queens Park own Hampden the SFA just rent office space in the south stand.

[blackpoolhibs]

Queens Park own Hampden the SFA just rent office space in the south stand.

Well i never, i was under the impression they sold the ground years ago and the SFA were now running it?

How do Queens park pay for the upkeep of the place, is it through the income from internationals and cup games?

[Since90+2]

Well i never, i was under the impression they sold the ground years ago and the SFA were now running it?

How do Queens park pay for the upkeep of the place, is it through the income from internationals and cup games?

I would imagine its a mix of rent from the SFA / SPL / SFL (who all have their own individual offices in the south stand) plus money from international games and semi finals & finals ect.

They will also get a decent wedge everytime a concert takes place at Hampden.

[VickMackie]

I would imagine its a mix of rent from the SFA / SPL / SFL (who all have their own individual offices in the south stand) plus money from international games and semi finals & finals ect.

They will also get a decent wedge everytime a concert takes place at Hampden.

If that were the case would they not have a hefty turnover.

I thought when it was revamped the SFA took control and the revenues and queens park play there for free.

[Since90+2]

If that were the case would they not have a hefty turnover.

I thought when it was revamped the SFA took control and the revenues and queens park play there for free.

From http://www.hampdenpark.co.uk/the-hampden-experience/hampden-history.html

"Queen’s Park, who still own the Stadium, are the only Amateur Club playing in the Scottish Football League and are currently in Division 2."

EDIT - After abit of investigation it appears that although Queens Park still own the stadium (and the 33 acres of land around it) they rent the stadium to the SFA on a 20 year lease.

[mglancy23]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22099662

[ancient hibee]

The raids finished with funny handshakes all round.

[green glory]

The raids finished with funny handshakes all round.

Not this time. It's now a major fraud investigation with Chuckles and Whyte in the eye of the storm.

Hilarious! :-D

[Hibrandenburg]

Chuckles was at the St Mirren v Celtic game recently, meeting Stuart Gilmore.

Sevco games being played in Paisley soon?

So let me get this right. Whyte and Green plotted the fall and rise of Rangers/Sevco through the Administrators Duff and Duffer who also have a connection to Whyte what they initially denied like Green and Whyte denied their connection until it became obvious that Green wasn't going to give Whyte his share of the spoils and now Whyte is crying about being ripped off?

Apart from sounding like the intro to an episode of the 70's sitcom Soap, it ****ing stinks!

What a farce of a club.

[LeighLoyal]

Regan seeking clarity from Green on Whyte. He may as well seek a sperm sample from pope benedict.

[Eyrie]

So let me get this right. Whyte and Green plotted the fall and rise of Rangers/Sevco through the Administrators Duff and Duffer who also have a connection to Whyte what they initially denied like Green and Whyte denied their connection until it became obvious that Green wasn't going to give Whyte his share of the spoils and now Whyte is crying about being ripped off?
Looks like it - there's no honour amongst thieves after all.

Apart from sounding like the intro to an episode of the 70's sitcom Soap, it ****ing stinks!
With one obvious exception, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

What a farce of a club.
Just like its predecessor.

[The Green Goblin]

And it continues.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22096954

Intetesting wording from Regan there - "we have to seek the facts". By implication I read into that "have to" that they might be obliged to but wish they didn't have to, for whatever reason.

Maybe just me though.