Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[jonty]

This is the same Chuckie who claimed he wasn't being paid and wasn't making a thing from this excercise - except the shares?


edit:
that was then, this is now.

He was also allowed to claim that: “I’m now for the first time, last month and the month before, on a salary… I’ve had no wages since February,” as if this was some sort of sacrifice. But he’s been on a salary since August, when his company first owned a football team that had a licence to play football. And what wages should he have had “since February” – and from whom? Another unasked question. Indeed, his very opening remark, “it started in February,” should have started a train of questions, given that he said three weeks ago that he’d only met the administrators “in a Chinese restaurant in May.”
http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=21039

[Sergio sledge]

I read it as promotion from the SFL, ie promotion to the SPL, rather than just promotion from Div.3.

Doh, I see, makes a bit more sense now.

[Caversham Green]

Sally McCoist gets £700,000 per year to manage in Div 3? I wonder what the total annual wage bill/expenses payments of all the div 3 clubs apart from Rangers is? It can't be much more than that you would think.

If Rangers get promoted, Green gets £720,000 plus expenses for the year? That seems crazy. He'll make his £5.5m back in no time....

I know that Brechin City's total turnover a couple of years back was £350k - exactly half of what Sally's paid.


I read it as promotion from the SFL, ie promotion to the SPL, rather than just promotion from Div.3.

That's how I read it - I took the wording straight from the prospectus. There's a notable difference in the wording re Stockbridge's salary though....

He also gets the bonus if they transfer to another league so the EPL dream is obviously still there. I wonder if that's why he's trying to alienate his club from the rest of the Scottish football establishment.

[grunt]

Naismith was on SSN commenting on being poorly treated by SevCo. Unless I missed it, he was very vague about the exact way in which he was badly treated, and of course, no "journalist" bothered to ask him to explain.

[PatHead]

The year so far according to Tom English

IN THIS space every year we do an alternative review of the previous 12 months in the madhouse that is Scottish football.
It’s not so much an examination of what happened on the field but an exploration some of the gobsmacking sideshows that you find in the game in this country.
The quality of the product might be plummeting, but if you’re interested in ­peculiar characters and berserk ­goings-on then this is the place.
For instance, the top ten off-your-rocker moments from the past two years featured bombs in the post at Celtic, a sex offender at Hearts, two kidnappings, the whodunit involving Allan McGregor lying in a pool of his own blood outside his Glasgow flat, a bitter dispute between an evolutionary biologist and the media man of the Catholic church in Scotland over Hugh Dallas, a row between Charlie Mulgrew and bra boss Michelle Mone, Kyle Lafferty mistaking Charlie Nicholas for a cricketer and Craig Brown getting involved in a touchline punch-up with a mouthy Dane.
This year we’re making the review the alternative to the alternative. By that we mean it’s all about Rangers this time. And it’s not a top ten either. In an attempt to round up as many snapshots from the most historic, and most mental, year in the life of ­Rangers, we’ve made it a top 20 – and still we’re leaving stuff out.
At Ibrox, the year is ending pretty much as it began, with controversy and head-scratching puzzlement, the latest episode being this spat between the club and PFA Scotland that is mystifyingly complex and a small bit bonkers. Fitting, that, because complex and bonkers are two words that could easily summarise what has happened and what is continuing to happen at Rangers.
So here we are, then. A sideways look at the Rangers story in 20 vignettes.

20. James Traynor exits journalism to become the Malcolm Tucker of Ibrox, wooed by Charles Green who rewards his new communications fixer with an eye-watering salary and as much as succulent lamb as he can possibly eat.

19. A day in June when John Brown, outside the front door at Ibrox, did his own unique version of Martin Luther King’s I Have A Dream as he attacks Charles Green and declares that he’s putting together his own consortium to “buy them oot”. His audience is agog at his oratory. “People ask me who’s yer investors. Youse! My 
investors are youse!” Cue rapturous 
applause, much swearing and lots more Bomber.

18. Tennessee Tow-Truck tycoon Bill Miller, made preferred bidder by Duff and Phelps, only to change his mind when he finally realised what the hell he was letting himself in for. He claimed he didn’t like the look of the finances, but some abusive emails might also have had something to do with it. He can’t have been best pleased to be door-stepped by a Scottish tabloid either. We can only imagine his reaction when he realised that the Daily Record had stuck him on page one under the headline: “GERS TYCOON, 65, DATES BECKY, 37 – BILL’S BEAUTY QUEEN LOVER”. That was the last we heard from Mr Miller.

17. The rise and fall of rangerstaxcase, the blogging phenomenon that led the way on the reporting of Rangers’ EBT travails, only to get so emboldened by its own success that it misread the judgment when it finally arrived, tweeting about his victory only to realise shortly after that it was actually a defeat. Where has he gone? And will he return?

16. From June, the story of the two Glasgow businessmen, Allan Stewart and Stephen McKenna, who were reported as being ready to launch an £11 million bid for the club, only to do a Miller within 24 hours. Scandal upon scandal. One of them was outed as a Celtic fan.

15. Dave King swans into Glasgow in February after the club falls into administration, threatens to sue everybody and then goes away again to continue his fight with the South 
African Revenue Services.

14. The battle of the Lords as Carloway upholds the findings of the SFA’s judicial panel report into how Craig Whyte got his hands on Rangers and what, precisely, he got up to during his brief reign, and then gets undermined by Lord Glennie, who reckons the transfer embargo is out of order.

13. Walter Smith’s comedy bid to take over the club that came and went in the blink of an eye. Smith reckoned that Charles Green should have handed him the club for £6m, despite the fact that Green had already shelled out considerably more than £6m to buy it in the first place. Smith launched his “bid” on the day it was announced that the club would be liquidated, a delay that rather begged the question: “If the club meant so much to you, why didn’t you act sooner?” As we said at the time, it was akin to busting in on a funeral with a defibrillator.

12. Charles Green and his phantom transfer targets, five of whom were supposed to be playing in Euro 2012. We could do a top 20 on Green alone.

11. Duff and Phelps, paid a fortune to do not a whole lot from what we can make out, could also be the subject of a separate top 20. From a long list of contenders we pick just one cameo – their constant statements that HMRC would probably seek to do a deal for a CVA rather than play hardball and plunge the club into liquidation. “They [HMRC] have never, ever, suggested that they are going to be belligerent,” said the administrators. And for that sage analysis they were paid millions.

10. Ally McCoist reacts to the transfer embargo by demanding to know the identities of the judicial panel that handed down the verdict, despite his club agreeing that their identities should remain private for fear of reprisals, which came soon enough when the three-man panel was named. “Make no mistake about it,” said the Rangers manager. “This panel is not totally to blame for the death of our football club if it happens, but this particular decision could kill our football club.” Not McCoist’s finest hour.

9. Brian Kennedy’s involvement in the takeover story was always bizarre. “I’ll take it or leave it,” he said about his interest in buying the club. “I know this sounds a bit smarmy, but I feel a social responsibility to make sure this great institution doesn’t disappear. Maybe I’ve suffered a lobotomy without realising it.”

8. The plot against Ally McCoist. In the beginning, Charles Green was a baddie who was reported to be 
plotting to get rid of his manager, who did nothing to shoot down the story when it first emerged, the story being written by James Traynor, who is 
now Green’s big mate. At that point, Green’s goose looked well and 
truly cooked. You couldn’t see him recovering from this apparent act of treachery.

7. Charles Green makes Lazarus look like a warm-up act. He had John Brown baying for his head, he had the fans in a state of rebellion, he had 
McCoist refusing to come to his rescue and from that impossible position he was won everybody over. The man is a marvel. He’s even got Walter Smith in the door. Not long ago, Smith saw him as bad news.

6. The SFA’s judicial panel report and the things it said about Sir David Murray, some of them via Martin Bain. Bain said he expressed concern to Murray about his lack of due diligence on Craig Whyte before selling the club to him. He presented Murray with a copy of an investigation into the business background of Whyte but if Murray read it then he didn’t place much store in it. Later, Murray said Whyte duped him.
5 Clip art and Craig Whyte’s homemade invoices. You couldn’t make it up. Er...

4. The strange case of Mr Red as told in the FTT report. Mr Red was a senior member of the Murray Group’s tax function and the scourge of the tribunal. “The protracted and chequered course of the enquiry was largely due to a lack of candour and co-operation from Mr Red,” writes Dr Heidi Poon, the dissenting voice on the panel. A few days later, Rangers fans were still slamming the delays in the case being resolved. Murray’s man Mr Red was part of the reason.

3 Craig Whyte comes clean about Ticketus, kind of. Having said for months and months that he had lodged his own money in an account to buy Rangers, he finally admits that he didn’t, and that the money was from Ticketus. In the same statement he said he was considering donating his shares to a Rangers foundation and that he still saw himself as something of a hero in this farrago. Bonkers.

2. The porn star. Needs no further 
explanation.

1. The laugh out loud moment to beat them all. Whyte’s assertion that Prince Albert of Monaco was poised to invest in Rangers. Yes, Craig. Of course he was.

That’s the top 20. The sad truth is that you could do a top 100 and still not to get to the bottom of the craziness of the Rangers story this past year. God knows what awaits them in 2013.

[LeighLoyal]

Sevco crossing :hahaha:

http://i.imgur.com/9YLVb.jpg

[Mr White]

cheeky chappy ally stirs the hordes again, this time about lafferty and naismith, in the scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/kyle-lafferty-and-steven-naismith-can-t-expect-warm-welcome-back-says-mccoist-1-2693486).
cant help himself referencing the clubs *ahem* 140 year history. Him and green definitely believe that if you shout loud and long enough about something then it'll become true.

[grunt]

From the Montrose programme notes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-O8LRxCIAALpsI.jpg

[Mr White]

Ally McCoist will be demanding the identity of montrose programme editor be revealed. In the interests of transparency of course, because the fans deserve that.

[Jim44]

From the Montrose programme notes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-O8LRxCIAALpsI.jpg

That'll be Montrose FC off the The Rangers Christmas card list. :-)

[LeighLoyal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-O8LRxCIAALpsI.jpg





http://z5.ifrm.com/5902/57/0/e5032433/e5032433.gif

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A-O8LRxCIAALpsI.jpg





http://z5.ifrm.com/5902/57/0/e5032433/e5032433.gif

I get the feeling from this thread that you don't like them very much!

[grunt]

Ally McCoist will be demanding the identity of montrose programme editor be revealed. In the interests of transparency of course, because the fans deserve that.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-fans-call-for-apology-after-montrose-programme-s-newco-jibe-1-2694792


FURIOUS Rangers fans have demanded an apology from Montrose FC after yesterday’s matchday programme notes poked fun at the Ibrox club’s financial troubles earlier this year.
The introduction to the Rangers team reads: “Playing their first season in Division Three, The Rangers are a newco of the now defunct Glasgow Rangers.

“Currently top of the table, they will be hoping to go on to seal the title and clinch their first silverware.”

Fans of the Ibrox club took to internet forums to express their views, with one fan commenting: “To continue our PR drive I would be asking Montrose to issue a retraction/apology for printing incorrect information’.

Another supporter added: “The powers that be recognise our long and illustrious history and that’s all that matters.”

Not all fans were enraged, however, with one pointing out: “The author has been smart enough to use the old ‘some people say, but that’s not my opinion’ routine to get the dig in and stay off the hook. But other than that, the piece is quite respectful. There’s plenty more about Rangers throughout the programme and it’s all pretty respectful.”

It is not the first time that a club has poked fun at Rangers. Earlier this year, the Falkirk stadium announcer was relieved of his duties for referring to the Ibrox club as the ‘Sevco Franchise’ whilst reading out half-time scorelines.

Rangers defeated Montrose 4-2 at Links Park, cementing their position at the top of the Third Division.

[VickMackie]

The best thing about the statement in the programme is the refusal to say what they want with the constant threat of boycotts and threats hanging over EVERY club who isn't perceived to dislike the newco.

[Spike Mandela]

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-fans-call-for-apology-after-montrose-programme-s-newco-jibe-1-2694792



What has it come to that stating the 100% factual truth is considered poking fun at 'The Rangers'?:confused: Have our media become Pravda and refusing to acknowledge actual events that happened?

[Mr White]

What has it come to that stating the 100% factual truth is considered poking fun at 'The Rangers'?:confused: Have our media become Pravda and refusing to acknowledge actual events that happened?

Pretty much. Revisionism is alive and well and thriving in Scotlands media. Ably assisted by rangers pr machine, though I suppose those 2 things are no longer separate entities.

[blackpoolhibs]

I suppose thats another club that will be boycotted by the rangers?

[Eyrie]

I suppose thats another club that will be boycotted by the rangers?

It's a good way for clubs to cut policing costs.

[LeighLoyal]

Interesting read here from a hun with half a brain cell who has read the Sevco prospectus and found it wanting. Paints a picture of very shady people eager to fill their pockets with tax breaks, bonuses, free stock and telephone number salaries, Mr Charles Green included. Essentially the newco turnover does not equal the level of remuneration going on. Sally wants no names here of course.



http://www.gersnet.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/106-a-sceptical-review-of-the-prospectus

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting read here from a hun with half a brain cell who has read the Sevco prospectus and found it wanting. Paints a picture of very shady people eager to fill their pockets with tax breaks, bonuses, free stock and telephone number salaries, Mr Charles Green included. Essentially the newco turnover does not equal the level of remuneration going on. Sally wants no names here of course.



http://www.gersnet.co.uk/index.php/latest-news/106-a-sceptical-review-of-the-prospectus

Interesting stuff and, given that it's from a Hun, very refreshing. Most of the points raised have already been so by others, on here and elsewhere. However, this is the paragraph that stuck out for me:-

The paragraph titled “Exposure to litigation” raises other risk factors the main one being in relation to the purchase of assets from the administrators of RFC plc, the Directors while conceding that any action raised could have “a material adverse effect” with regards to “business growth, prospects, sales, results of operations and/or financial condition” and that any claim may not be covered by insurance, are of the opinion that time has mitigated the risk and any material liabilities would be known by know.

That says to me that Green & Co. are concerned about that particular transaction, even although Cav and I reckon that D&P's Indemnity Insurance might pick up the tab for any proven shortfall. Where I disagree with them, though, is in their opinion that " time has mitigated the risk and any material liabilities would be known by know (sic)" That is nonsense, since BDO have barely got their shoes under the table.

[LeighLoyal]

Interesting stuff and, given that it's from a Hun, very refreshing. Most of the points raised have already been so by others, on here and elsewhere. However, this is the paragraph that stuck out for me:-

The paragraph titled “Exposure to litigation” raises other risk factors the main one being in relation to the purchase of assets from the administrators of RFC plc, the Directors while conceding that any action raised could have “a material adverse effect” with regards to “business growth, prospects, sales, results of operations and/or financial condition” and that any claim may not be covered by insurance, are of the opinion that time has mitigated the risk and any material liabilities would be known by know.

That says to me that Green & Co. are concerned about that particular transaction, even although Cav and I reckon that D&P's Indemnity Insurance might pick up the tab for any proven shortfall. Where I disagree with them, though, is in their opinion that " time has mitigated the risk and any material liabilities would be known by know (sic)" That is nonsense, since BDO have barely got their shoes under the table.



Signs are the Sevco/T'Rangers holding company share issue scam is going to flop.

Those 'institutional investors', if they exist, better get their tin hats on because the value of what they paid is going to drop like an effed lift. If they exist that is, have my doubts anybody would be that dumb to commit to such a dodgy prospectus without guarantees.

[CropleyWasGod]

Signs are the Sevco/T'Rangers holding company share issue scam is going to flop.

Those 'institutional investors', if they exist, better get their tin hats on because the value of what they paid is going to drop like an effed lift. If they exist that is, have my doubts anybody would be that dumb to commit to such a dodgy prospectus without guarantees.

Chuckie said on STV the other night that, if the shares aren't fully taken up, he'll buy 'em.

He also said recently that no one person would own more than 10% of the shares.

:rolleyes:

[grunt]

This lady was the editor of the book about Rangers, "Downfall".
Interesting and clear blog post.

http://angelahaggerty.com/why-the-word-sevco-matters/

[Mr White]

This lady was the editor of the book about Rangers, "Downfall".
Interesting and clear blog post.

http://angelahaggerty.com/why-the-word-sevco-matters/
She's absolutely spot on with all of that.

[LeighLoyal]

Chuckie said on STV the other night that, if the shares aren't fully taken up, he'll buy 'em.

He also said recently that no one person would own more than 10% of the shares.

:rolleyes:




LOL if he says he's underwriting the issue! :greengrin A shame for Chuckie that he doesn't have Skinty's old connections in Bank of Scotland to give him £50m like they did with Skinty's last failed oldco issue. A situation the Halifax called 'horrific' when they afterwards merged with Skinty's old cash cow. In fact, Chuckie has no credit line at all, hence why he's launching a desperate bid at Christmas to secure 'working capital' from an entity with no published accounts.

[Just Alf]

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/why-rangers-share-issue-might-be-useful-for-an-alienation-rainy-day/#more-2769

oh dear ...... :cb

[Since90+2]

http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/why-rangers-share-issue-might-be-useful-for-an-alienation-rainy-day/#more-2769

oh dear ...... :cb

In short what does it mean?

[Just Alf]

In short what does it mean?

sorry got to run but in short

Sevco may need to prove they did not buy Ibrox etc at too cheap a price otherwise the transaction can be reversed OR they could pay a larger amount.


witness one against Sevco is Sevco who've said its worth more.

witness two against Sevco is Sevco who've said it's worth even more again! (numbers are in the blog).

Paul's view is that it's not unreasonable to expect Green to use the Share money as part of some deal to reduce the impact this could have.... there's apparently a bit in the prospectus that leaves this possibility open!

[CallumLaidlaw]

They really do have no shame - http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/ally-mccoist-set-for-talks-with-charles-green-over-rangers-signing-funds-1-2696699

So theyll sign players on pre-contracts in January - cant register them until the 1st September BUT they'll just play them as trialists anyway! Surely if the player had already signed for them they shouldn't be allowed to play as a trialist??

[Spike Mandela]

They really do have no shame - http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/ally-mccoist-set-for-talks-with-charles-green-over-rangers-signing-funds-1-2696699

So theyll sign players on pre-contracts in January - cant register them until the 1st September BUT they'll just play them as trialists anyway! Surely if the player had already signed for them they shouldn't be allowed to play as a trialist??

This was always going to be the case. When the SFA issued this sanction it was just a horrible, tawdry deal with Rangers which gave the SFA the get out they always wanted in other words a punishment that wasn't actually a punishment. The initial independent SFA hearing punishment was immediate and should have started in April but was reversed on appeal in the courts but when The Rangers finally 'accepted' the punishment it started at the end of the transfer window.Scandalous, brazen corruption that just gets accepted in the crazy world of Scottish football.

[PatHead]

With the badly failing share issue (which is a real story rather than a "we are still a big club and will do what we like story here") I doubt there will be much in the way of funds anyway. Looks like a last ditch attempt to try and get more shares sold down the lodge.

Couldn't believe STV last night saying Hearts share issue was a flop whilst The Rangers had managed to raise £2 million and Ally was buying shares. The spin Scottish media put out for The Rangers is incredible. Wish they would only report something when it is actually newsworthy and can someone tell me why Montrose had to apologise?

FWIW I think that the Hearts board have done a great job in getting £800,000 out of their mug supporters with nothing in return.

[CropleyWasGod]

They really do have no shame - http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/ally-mccoist-set-for-talks-with-charles-green-over-rangers-signing-funds-1-2696699

So theyll sign players on pre-contracts in January - cant register them until the 1st September BUT they'll just play them as trialists anyway! Surely if the player had already signed for them they shouldn't be allowed to play as a trialist??

Sorry, this is another PR job to try and drum up share money from fans. We have just seen it over the road.

[JimBHibees]

With the badly failing share issue (which is a real story rather than a "we are still a big club and will do what we like story here") I doubt there will be much in the way of funds anyway. Looks like a last ditch attempt to try and get more shares sold down the lodge.

Couldn't believe STV last night saying Hearts share issue was a flop whilst The Rangers had managed to raise £2 million and Ally was buying shares. The spin Scottish media put out for The Rangers is incredible. Wish they would only report something when it is actually newsworthy and can someone tell me why Montrose had to apologise?

FWIW I think that the Hearts board have done a great job in getting £800,000 out of their mug supporters with nothing in return.

Also heard some Sevco clown put the guys name and address on the net. Nice. Bullies of the worst sort.

[Leithenhibby]

Also heard some Sevco clown put the guys name and address on the net. Nice. Bullies of the worst sort.


:rolleyes: I hope not, this sort of thing can gather pace...............

[johnrebus]

Also heard some Sevco clown put the guys name and address on the net. Nice. Bullies of the worst sort.


This sort of stuff started at the top with McCoist.

As Ian Archer once said, 'Scotland would be a better country if Glasgow Rangers had never existed'.

:timebomb:

[PatHead]

Chuckie now blaming HMRC for their miserable flop of a share issue. Wonder if The Rangers will ever accept responsibility for anything?

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-fans-expected-to-fall-short-of-10m-share-issue-target-as-charles-green-attacks-hmrc-for-awful-timing-1-2697314

[CropleyWasGod]

Chuckie now blaming HMRC for their miserable flop of a share issue. Wonder if The Rangers will ever accept responsibility for anything?

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-fans-expected-to-fall-short-of-10m-share-issue-target-as-charles-green-attacks-hmrc-for-awful-timing-1-2697314

Let's deconstruct this :greengrin

“We tried to get this done earlier. I’m frustrated that we lost two months at the start of the process expecting a CVA to go through but HMRC at the last minute decided not to go ahead with it."

1. So, Mr. Green, you seriously expected HMRC to agree to a CVA?

2. HMRC didn't decide "at the last minute" to object. There was a time limit for the process, which is laid down by law. They complied with that.

“Then we’ve seen recently the Big Tax Case thrown out. I’m particularly frustrated that if we had been allowed a free rein this could have been done months earlier.”

Um.. that has nothing to do with your company, remember?

[Mr White]

22m they say.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20773142

[greenginger]

Let's deconstruct this :greengrin

“We tried to get this done earlier. I’m frustrated that we lost two months at the start of the process expecting a CVA to go through but HMRC at the last minute decided not to go ahead with it."

1. So, Mr. Green, you seriously expected HMRC to agree to a CVA?

2. HMRC didn't decide "at the last minute" to object. There was a time limit for the process, which is laid down by law. They complied with that.

“Then we’ve seen recently the Big Tax Case thrown out. I’m particularly frustrated that if we had been allowed a free rein this could have been done months earlier.”

Um.. that has nothing to do with your company, remember?

Last week I was talking to an old school pal who had just retired from 30 odd years working in the HMRC courts dept. Don't worry CWG, he is still sworn to secrecy, so I did'nt get any client information out of him. :wink:
What he did tell me though, was the last couple of years at work were hell for himself and colleagues. Different parties trying to influence how the Rangers and Hearts cases have been handled and everyone watching their backs. Seems there was strong support for the Rangers CVA from some quarters in the HMRC and it was a late ruling from the " Top " that forced the liquidation.
Chuckie might well have been getting signals that the CVA was in the bag, but he must have been listening to the Monkey and not the Organ Grinder.
I would loved to have heard the Yorkshire pr!ck when news of the extinction of Rangers 1872 filtered through. :greengrin

[Jack Hackett]

Let's deconstruct this :greengrin

“We tried to get this done earlier. I’m frustrated that we lost two months at the start of the process expecting a CVA to go through but HMRC at the last minute decided not to go ahead with it."

1. So, Mr. Green, you seriously expected HMRC to agree to a CVA?

2. HMRC didn't decide "at the last minute" to object. There was a time limit for the process, which is laid down by law. They complied with that.

“Then we’ve seen recently the Big Tax Case thrown out. I’m particularly frustrated that if we had been allowed a free rein this could have been done months earlier.”

Um.. that has nothing to do with your company, remember?

When was it 'thrown out'? My understanding was that some of the money claimed by HMRC was classified by the Tribunal as loans, and not subject to tax, but that an appeal would be lodged...not out of the woods yet :no way:

[johnbc70]

Anyone thinking it would be worthwhile 'shorting' The Rangers shares when they float on the stock market i.e. you bet that the share price will go down.

[LeighLoyal]

These 'institutional investors' must be delighted at the zombie's take up. :greengrin

[greenginger]

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/prices-search/stock-prices-search.html?nameCode=rangers+int&page=1

Anyone interested in the Rangers International share price ?

[Part/Time Supporter]

Chuckie now blaming HMRC for their miserable flop of a share issue. Wonder if The Rangers will ever accept responsibility for anything?

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-fans-expected-to-fall-short-of-10m-share-issue-target-as-charles-green-attacks-hmrc-for-awful-timing-1-2697314

They wouldn't have got anything near £17M from pension funds, etc if they hadn't received approval from HMRC for EIS and VCT status.

[Ozyhibby]

Anyone thinking it would be worthwhile 'shorting' The Rangers shares when they float on the stock market i.e. you bet that the share price will go down.

To be able to go short on a stock you need someone else to go long on it.
Good luck finding someone.

[Iain G]

What is this 140 year old institution Green is referring to?!

[cocteautwin]

Looking at it from an objective point of view, it might be an alright investment.

Next season they'll probably be playing in a restructured football league, being placed in "Division 2" which will be 18 teams and the season after that they'll get promoted to the top division of 16 teams. By this restructuring they'll avoid one extra season out of the top division. They'll have had 2 seasons on the cheap with near full support and then enter the top division as the strongest team financially. First season back, it's likely that they will emerge winners of the restructured top division.

Are the Chairmen of the other clubs in the Scottish league going to have the bottle to turn down the 16/18 team stucture of the top 2 divisions? I doubt it.

First season after they ar back, watch for another league restructure back to 4 divisions with the top division being 12 teams only.

[CropleyWasGod]

Looking at it from an objective point of view, it might be an alright investment.

Next season they'll probably be playing in a restructured football league, being placed in "Division 2" which will be 18 teams and the season after that they'll get promoted to the top division of 16 teams. By this restructuring they'll avoid one extra season out of the top division. They'll have had 2 seasons on the cheap with near full support and then enter the top division as the strongest team financially. First season back, it's likely that they will emerge winners of the restructured top division.

Are the Chairmen of the other clubs in the Scottish league going to have the bottle to turn down the 16/18 team stucture of the top 2 divisions? I doubt it.

First season after they ar back, watch for another league restructure back to 4 divisions with the top division being 12 teams only.

Devil's Advocate on the "sound investment".

1. I am pretty sure that the new League won't be in place for next year.

2. of the £22m apparently raised, just under half is earmarked for improvements to Ibrox.

3. from various sources, it looks like a loss of £10m is expected this year. I can't see next year being any different. They pay their manager more than any of their current competitors turn over. :greengrin

4. the directors of the new company are concerned about possible action by BDO over the apparent undervaluing of the assets which they bought from the Oldco.

[cocteautwin]

Devil's Advocate on the "sound investment".

1. I am pretty sure that the new League won't be in place for next year.

2. of the £22m apparently raised, just under half is earmarked for improvements to Ibrox.

3. from various sources, it looks like a loss of £10m is expected this year. I can't see next year being any different. They pay their manager more than any of their current competitors turn over. :greengrin

4. the directors of the new company are concerned about possible action by BDO over the apparent undervaluing of the assets which they bought from the Oldco.

Actually, to be quite honest, I wasn't really serious about the investment potential, I was just hoping to start a debate on the league restructure that The Rangers are hoping for. I think it will happen before the start of next season and it will be engineered to allow them one less season out of the top division. It's something that's not really talked about generally and I, for one, am frightened that fans are sleep walking in to it happening. Can we start a national campaign from here to protest this happening before it's even suggested by the Scottish football authorities? :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Actually, to be quite honest, I wasn't really serious about the investment potential, I was just hoping to start a debate on the league restructure that The Rangers are hoping for. I think it will happen before the start of next season and it will be engineered to allow them one less season out of the top division. It's something that's not really talked about generally and I, for one, am frightened that fans are sleep walking in to it happening. Can we start a national campaign from here to protest this happening before it's even suggested by the Scottish football authorities? :wink:

Rod said at the AGM, without prompting, that the new proposals were not a means of getting Rangers back in the top league quicker.

One has to believe him at this stage. However, QED, the club chairmen would be wise not to ignore their fans if they do have other intentions.

On reflection, having just scribbled some stats down, I still don't see how RFC could get back in to the top League any quicker than they would under the current system.

[proud_and_green]

What is this 140 year old institution Green is referring to?!

This is a competition isn't it.........?

Is it the one he gets taken off to at the end of each day out in the community......?

[ballengeich]

Devil's Advocate on the "sound investment".

1. I am pretty sure that the new League won't be in place for next year.

2. of the £22m apparently raised, just under half is earmarked for improvements to Ibrox.

3. from various sources, it looks like a loss of £10m is expected this year. I can't see next year being any different. They pay their manager more than any of their current competitors turn over. :greengrin

4. the directors of the new company are concerned about possible action by BDO over the apparent undervaluing of the assets which they bought from the Oldco.

Another point about the current value of the club at around £45 million is that for institutional investors that has to be justified by dividend payments of £4 million a year or so. Where's this to come from in the foreseeable future given a likely current loss and use of much of the funds for Ibrox improvements (quite possibly long-neglected essential maintenance not making much addition to revenue)?

While investment in small companies is inherently a high risk area, I'm surprised they got so much institutional money given the history of non-dividend payments by football clubs, the track record of some of the individuals behind Sevco and above all the prospectus.

Possibly they've bought into Green's pitch of strict cost control and participation in a revised structure of European football. I expect a renewed drive for a UK league, probably starting in 2016-17 as Rangers are likely to be back in the SPL in 2015-16. A bit off topic, but the result of the 2014 independence referendum could have a significant effect on the debate.

[cocteautwin]

On reflection, having just scribbled some stats down, I still don't see how RFC could get back in to the top League any quicker than they would under the current system.

Rangers finish top of Div 3 this year, effectively becoming the the 33rd best team in Scotland.

New Top Division includes 16 teams, being 12 from Premier League and 4 from Division 1.

New second Division includes 18 teams, being 6 from Division 1, 10 from Division 2 and the top 2 in Division 3.

New Division 3 includes . . . . . . . . . actually, SFA/SFL/SPL doesn't care about division 3 now that the crooks at the top of Scottish football have achieved their crooked aim of getting Rangers up there a year quicker.

Or am I missing something?

[CropleyWasGod]

Rangers finish top of Div 3 this year, effectively becoming the the 33rd best team in Scotland.

New Top Division includes 16 teams, being 12 from Premier League and 4 from Division 1.

New second Division includes 18 teams, being 6 from Division 1, 10 from Division 2 and the top 2 in Division 3.

New Division 3 includes . . . . . . . . . actually, SFA/SFL/SPL doesn't care about division 3 now that the crooks at the top of Scottish football have achieved their crooked aim of getting Rangers up there a year quicker.

Or am I missing something?

I was working on this plan, which I thought was the favoured one:-

Two leagues, an SPL1 and SPL2, would be formed, both consisting of 12 teams respectively. Each team would play each other twice in their respective divisions, creating 22 fixtures.

After two rounds, the leagues would then merge and split into three groups of eight. Each team would again play each other twice, leading to a total of 36 games being played across the course of the campaign.

The clubs in the top eight at the split would contend for the title and European spots, and would be guaranteed a place in SPL1 in the new season.

The middle group would arguably be the most competitive. The teams finishing in the top four positions would play in SPL1 in the new campaign, with the bottom four playing in SPL2.

The bottom group would fight it out to avoid relegation to the SFL. It is not clear at this stage how many relegation spots would be opened up.

[southsider]

Now that newcorfc are again flush with cash will Green be a man and payback all those they chose not to pay ? No he will continue to be a rat and never will have any class or scruples.

[CropleyWasGod]

Now that newcorfc are again flush with cash will Green be a man and payback all those they chose not to pay ? No he will continue to be a rat and never will have any class or scruples.

Like who? :confused:

[greenginger]

I take it the £ 22 million raised would be the Gross amount. The £ 17 million which was placed with the institutions would be subject to the Stockbrokers commission of 5 - 7 % and they would have to be discounted to the institutions. I have heard figures of up to 15 % for certain placements.

Don't suppose Chuckie will be forthcoming on the actual cash figure the New Club is enriched by.

[southsider]

There were lists of creditors who went unpaid and who will never receive a penny. The Limited Company laws are outdated and directors should be made to take full responsibility for their companies failings even if it means selling every asset they have, in order to pay the creditors. While i am at it the creditor who is due the least should be paid first and work from the bottom up. The corner shop and the window cleaner need the cash a lot more than ticketus, if you get my drift. Newco should never have been allowed in any league untill all oldco debts were paid.

[cocteautwin]

I was working on this plan, which I thought was the favoured one:-

Two leagues, an SPL1 and SPL2, would be formed, both consisting of 12 teams respectively. Each team would play each other twice in their respective divisions, creating 22 fixtures.

After two rounds, the leagues would then merge and split into three groups of eight. Each team would again play each other twice, leading to a total of 36 games being played across the course of the campaign.

The clubs in the top eight at the split would contend for the title and European spots, and would be guaranteed a place in SPL1 in the new season.

The middle group would arguably be the most competitive. The teams finishing in the top four positions would play in SPL1 in the new campaign, with the bottom four playing in SPL2.

The bottom group would fight it out to avoid relegation to the SFL. It is not clear at this stage how many relegation spots would be opened up.

Ah yes. The "Official" plan. Meanwhile, in the background, . . . . . . . . . . . :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

There were lists of creditors who went unpaid and who will never receive a penny. The Limited Company laws are outdated and directors should be made to take full responsibility for their companies failings even if it means selling every asset they have, in order to pay the creditors. While i am at it the creditor who is due the least should be paid first and work from the bottom up. The corner shop and the window cleaner need the cash a lot more than ticketus, if you get my drift. Newco should never have been allowed in any league untill all oldco debts were paid.

There are laws in place which allow for directors to be pursued personally in the event of wrongful trading. BDO may yet go down that route.

However , Green will not be affected directly by that; those debts are none of his concern. It would only be those directors in the SDM and CW dynasties who might be open to prosecution.

As for your Ticketus point, Pathead will be along in a minute to explain exactly why those small investors in Ticketus would disagree. :wink:

[PatHead]

There are laws in place which allow for directors to be pursued personally in the event of wrongful trading. BDO may yet go down that route.

However , Green will not be affected directly by that; those debts are none of his concern. It would only be those directors in the SDM and CW dynasties.

As for your Ticketus point, Pathead will be along in a minute to explain exactly why those small investors in Ticketus would disagree. :wink:

Essentially any EIS is full of smaller investors, many of whom will have a lesser debt than some of these middle ranking creditors. Why should they lose out as they wouldn't have chosen to invest in the Rangers ticket deal, that was the choice of the fund manager.

To be fair they were aware it was a high risk investment and did receive a very good tax incentive for making the investment. Still don't see why they should go to the bottom of the list though.

[Keith_M]

Chuckie now blaming HMRC for their miserable flop of a share issue. Wonder if The Rangers will ever accept responsibility for anything?

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/sfl-division-three/rangers-fans-expected-to-fall-short-of-10m-share-issue-target-as-charles-green-attacks-hmrc-for-awful-timing-1-2697314


Sorry but how is it a 'miserable flop' if they've raised 22M?



:confused:

[PatHead]

Sorry but how is it a 'miserable flop' if they've raised 22M?



:confused:

At the time I posted it was being reported that they had sold approx £2m to their fans. If I am correct I think this increased to £5m by closing time. With regard to the £22m I still am not convinced they have raised £22m. They may have "sold" £22m worth of shares and it wouldn't surprise me if this figure includes the freebies to Green, McCoist and other directors and finally to Mike Ashley for buying the rights to all The Rangers sports gear. In addition there will be large discounts applied to instituional investors, costs of the share issue etc. But to be fair if Chuckie told me today was Wednesday I would be check. I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth and I bet he gets more out it than The Rangers will in the long term.

Probably models himself on the directors of Comet.

[Spike Mandela]

Sorry but how is it a 'miserable flop' if they've raised 22M?



:confused:

Still less than the amount they swindled out of ticketus.:cb

[Iain G]

This is a competition isn't it.........?

Is it the one he gets taken off to at the end of each day out in the community......?

I can only assume he is using the same accountants as the old defunct Rangers football team who still cant manage to do the math properly; or he is counting in 'hun' years which are like dog years, and one hun year equals about one day in normal time...?!

[bathhibby]

According to the latest Private Eye Green and the original investors only paid 1P for their shares so a tidy profit for them.

I wonder if this was his original goal or maybe he is really a knuckle dragging bigot ?

[cabbageandribs1875]

poor wee lambs

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-fans-call-for-apology-after-montrose-programme-s-newco-jibe-1-2694792

“Currently top of the table, they will be hoping to go on to seal the title and clinch their first silverware.”


that article in the montrose programme is correct, so wtf are they moaning about now...

[VickMackie]

I was working on this plan, which I thought was the favoured one:-

Two leagues, an SPL1 and SPL2, would be formed, both consisting of 12 teams respectively. Each team would play each other twice in their respective divisions, creating 22 fixtures.

After two rounds, the leagues would then merge and split into three groups of eight. Each team would again play each other twice, leading to a total of 36 games being played across the course of the campaign.

The clubs in the top eight at the split would contend for the title and European spots, and would be guaranteed a place in SPL1 in the new season.

The middle group would arguably be the most competitive. The teams finishing in the top four positions would play in SPL1 in the new campaign, with the bottom four playing in SPL2.

The bottom group would fight it out to avoid relegation to the SFL. It is not clear at this stage how many relegation spots would be opened up.

I was pretty sure the new leagues would be created on an invite basis. Therefore, rangers would be invited.

[BarneyK]

I was pretty sure the new leagues would be created on an invite basis. Therefore, rangers would be invited.

Stewart Milne has denied that's the case.

[neilmartinrocks]

I was pretty sure the new leagues would be created on an invite basis. Therefore, rangers would be invited.

The rangers would have to be invited.....coz they would be well ****ed if it was on merit.

[CropleyWasGod]

I was pretty sure the new leagues would be created on an invite basis. Therefore, rangers would be invited.

No they wouldn't, according to Rod at the AGM.

[VickMackie]

No they wouldn't, according to Rod at the AGM.

Good.

[Jim44]

No they wouldn't, according to Rod at the AGM.

In the interests of accuracy, Petrie said that reconstruction was not intended to facilitate the early return of Sevco to the top lesgue/s, he didn't say it wouldn't happen tho'.

[CropleyWasGod]

In the interests of accuracy, Petrie said that reconstruction was not intended to facilitate the early return of Sevco to the top lesgue/s, he didn't say it wouldn't happen tho'.

From the firmness of his tone, I understood his intentions though.

[Bostonhibby]

According to the latest Private Eye Green and the original investors only paid 1P for their shares so a tidy profit for them.

I wonder if this was his original goal or maybe he is really a knuckle dragging bigot ?

not a bad punt is it? :wink: If the eye have got it wrong they are easy to sue , looking forward to seeing cheeky Charlie pursuing the Eye on this one, they are rarely wrong and always get their costs back. The Eye has been excellent at picking the right pompous and hypocritcal targets down the years and this looks like no exception.

[Sir David Gray]

poor wee lambs

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-fans-call-for-apology-after-montrose-programme-s-newco-jibe-1-2694792

“Currently top of the table, they will be hoping to go on to seal the title and clinch their first silverware.”


that article in the montrose programme is correct, so wtf are they moaning about now...

The article in the programme is completely accurate, they are a brand new club and they will be going for their first piece of silverware.

The fact that the media and those at Sevco fail to recognise this, by going on about the 140th anniversary etc is really irrelevant.

Montrose have absolutely nothing to apologise for.

[LeighLoyal]

The article in the programme is completely accurate, they are a brand new club and they will be going for their first piece of silverware.

The fact that the media and those at Sevco fail to recognise this, by going on about the 140th anniversary etc is really irrelevant.

Montrose have absolutely nothing to apologise for.




Cannot wait for Sevco 2012 to roll up for their first ever game at Easter Road. I trust our programme writers will welcome them just as Montrose did. :aok: The in denial zombie b's. :aok:

[Jim44]

Green is seriously mentally deranged. First he says that as a club and at the behest of their supporters, they will refuse the allocation of away tickets for the Dundee United v Sevco cup tie (presumably an attempt to reduce income to United). Now that United are selling tickets to Sevco supporters he is prattling on about the potential crowd trouble, ( laying the blame at D Utd. supporters? ) As a solution he is now saying that Sevco should take the whole of the allocation - “People have said that it won’t look good to have a televised game with an empty stadium. But I have made the gesture, give us all the tickets. Let’s have no Dundee United fans at the game and we’ll fill the stadium.” Would that not defeat the purpose of your original stupid gesture, yah bampot? This idiot is a dangerous man who hopefully will leave or be kicked out of Scottish football ASAP.

[Carheenlea]

Green is seriously mentally deranged. First he says that as a club and at the behest of their supporters, they will refuse the allocation of away tickets for the Dundee United v Sevco cup tie (presumably an attempt to reduce income to United). Now that United are selling tickets to Sevco supporters he is prattling on about the potential crowd trouble, ( laying the blame at D Utd. supporters? ) As a solution he is now saying that Sevco should take the whole of the allocation - “People have said that it won’t look good to have a televised game with an empty stadium. But I have made the gesture, give us all the tickets. Let’s have no Dundee United fans at the game and we’ll fill the stadium.” Would that not defeat the purpose of your original stupid gesture, yah bampot? This idiot is a dangerous man who hopefully will leave or be kicked out of Scottish football ASAP.
That is just flabbergasting if that is what he is suggesting. I agree that this is a dangerous individual, and one of the most obnoxious characters that our game has seen (and there have been a few..) this guy is seriously bad news.

[Golden Bear]

Green is seriously mentally deranged. First he says that as a club and at the behest of their supporters, they will refuse the allocation of away tickets for the Dundee United v Sevco cup tie (presumably an attempt to reduce income to United). Now that United are selling tickets to Sevco supporters he is prattling on about the potential crowd trouble, ( laying the blame at D Utd. supporters? ) As a solution he is now saying that Sevco should take the whole of the allocation - “People have said that it won’t look good to have a televised game with an empty stadium. But I have made the gesture, give us all the tickets. Let’s have no Dundee United fans at the game and we’ll fill the stadium.” Would that not defeat the purpose of your original stupid gesture, yah bampot? This idiot is a dangerous man who hopefully will leave or be kicked out of Scottish football ASAP.

He's suggesting that other teams supporters could masquerade as Sevco fans in a deliberate attempt to start bother and blacken the name of THE RANGERS.

Seriously - it's time this guy was reigned in before he causes serious trouble with his ridiculous outbursts.

[Keith_M]

Green is seriously mentally deranged. First he says that as a club and at the behest of their supporters, they will refuse the allocation of away tickets for the Dundee United v Sevco cup tie (presumably an attempt to reduce income to United). Now that United are selling tickets to Sevco supporters he is prattling on about the potential crowd trouble, ( laying the blame at D Utd. supporters? ) As a solution he is now saying that Sevco should take the whole of the allocation - “People have said that it won’t look good to have a televised game with an empty stadium. But I have made the gesture, give us all the tickets. Let’s have no Dundee United fans at the game and we’ll fill the stadium.” Would that not defeat the purpose of your original stupid gesture, yah bampot? This idiot is a dangerous man who hopefully will leave or be kicked out of Scottish football ASAP.


His utterances become more bizarre every time he opens his mouth. The guy has yet to make one single statment of intent or of his viewpoint on a matter and stick to it. What's worse is that he sounds more like some drunk guy in some Rangers Social Club in the back streets of Govan than a Chairman of a football club.


He looks to be doing very well out of his 'purchase' and The Rangers seem to be on a very easy road to the SPL so I actually don't understand why he has such a problem with everything and everybody. I can only presume that he knows something that we don't that has got him very worried.

[Mr White]

He's testing how far he can push it in the knowledge that down the line his club will hold as much if not more power than the spl and sfa, just like the original rangers did. They should have carpeted him months ago and questioned his fit and proper suitability to run a club after he joined in a song about Stuart Regan with his clubs fans at Brechin.

[Jim44]

I've said before and I'll keep saying it, 'Sevco, especially under the control of Green, by their selective, malicious attitude and behaviour towards their fellow teams, must be unconditionally disqualified from inclusion in the top leagues of Scottish football. Green, while his words can't be believed or trusted, has said that Sevco will never play in the SPL ( or presumably any league made up from SPL teams).If he continues to 'attack' the Scottish game, ( and remember that his attitude and actions are supported 100% by his cohorts, McCoist, Smith etc.) I think UEFA will have to step in and sort them out. Look at what they've done to Malaga, for what, it seems, are milder offences than Sevco ( I admit to not knowing the details of that case).

[LeighLoyal]

He's testing how far he can push it in the knowledge that down the line his club will hold as much if not more power than the spl and sfa, just like the original rangers did. They should have carpeted him months ago and questioned his fit and proper suitability to run a club after he joined in a song about Stuart Regan with his clubs fans at Brechin.


But they seem unwilling to act against this semi deranged clown, unlike with Romanov. Funny that. :confused:

[VickMackie]

Green is seriously mentally deranged. First he says that as a club and at the behest of their supporters, they will refuse the allocation of away tickets for the Dundee United v Sevco cup tie (presumably an attempt to reduce income to United). Now that United are selling tickets to Sevco supporters he is prattling on about the potential crowd trouble, ( laying the blame at D Utd. supporters? ) As a solution he is now saying that Sevco should take the whole of the allocation - “People have said that it won’t look good to have a televised game with an empty stadium. But I have made the gesture, give us all the tickets. Let’s have no Dundee United fans at the game and we’ll fill the stadium.” Would that not defeat the purpose of your original stupid gesture, yah bampot? This idiot is a dangerous man who hopefully will leave or be kicked out of Scottish football ASAP.

Can they not take the full allocation then refuse to sell them. Enforced boycott.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I've said before and I'll keep saying it, 'Sevco, especially under the control of Green, by their selective, malicious attitude and behaviour towards their fellow teams, must be unconditionally disqualified from inclusion in the top leagues of Scottish football. Green, while his words can't be believed or trusted, has said that Sevco will never play in the SPL ( or presumably any league made up from SPL teams).If he continues to 'attack' the Scottish game, ( and remember that his attitude and actions are supported 100% by his cohorts, McCoist, Smith etc.) I think UEFA will have to step in and sort them out. Look at what they've done to Malaga, for what, it seems, are milder offences than Sevco ( I admit to not knowing the details of that case).

Fair points Jim.....I know Greene is fully playing the hordes of huns, but his digs at everyone and anyone outside of Ibrox, are shocking....I think playing the "everyone hates us" card, is foolish at best, but dangerous at the same time......

[grunt]

Happy Christmas from Charles Green!

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/2983-a-christmas-message


CHARLES GREEN has the following Christmas message for the club's fans:

'TWAS the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.
Except of course Ally McCoist, whose been banging on my door asking: “When can I spend that £10m?”.

Right behind him was Jim Traynor, the man with the perfect face for radio. Not content with being the forthcoming star of Rangers TV, he still thinks he should be playing for the team.

All of us at Ibrox are enjoying the season of goodwill but there must be something wrong with the postman. No Christmas cards have arrived from Dundee United, the SFA or the SPL. Never mind, maybe they’ll be in the last post.

I’d love to be able to toast every Rangers fan with something special but as a teetotaller, it’s lemonade or nothing. All the same the supporters of this club deserve a toast more than ever.

Before I came to Ibrox I had no idea how much pain our fans were enduring. With the torment of administration and all that followed, there seemed no end to it with our fans taking it on the chin from everyone and their auntie baying for blood in the name of sporting integrity. Take it on the chin they did and they did not flinch.

I doubt there’s another club in the world where the supporters could take everything thrown at them and yet stand so tall and proud. The outstanding efforts of our fans in supporting this club this year has been shown to audiences around the world by the many foreign TV stations who have visited Ibrox to chart the fall and rise of Rangers.

It is quite a story and we are glad that we are ending this year on a high note. Attendances at Ibrox have been breathtaking. We are also delighted to be made welcome in the SFL Division 3 and know we’re making a difference to the league. We've also been pleased to fill the stockings financially of all the clubs we've played this season.

The club is on the way back and our admission to the London Stock Exchange last week was yet another important milestone on that journey.
I would, on behalf of the board of directors of Rangers, like to express our deep gratitude to every Rangers fan. You are the greatest and we wish you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Oh there’s a delivery from the SFA and it’s a big bundle. Either it is thanks for rejuvenating and refreshing Scottish football or it’s another pile of disrepute charges. See you at Ibrox on Boxing Day.

[Jim44]

Happy Christmas from Charles Green!

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/2983-a-christmas-message

What a coniving, vomit-inducing scunner. He doesn't seem to realise the continual and permanent harm he piles upon his vile football club with his vitriol.

[JoeTortolanoFanClub]

Happy Christmas from Charles Green!

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/2983-a-christmas-message

Quite unbelievable. Surely he cannot get away with that.

[Leithenhibby]

Happy Christmas from Charles Green!

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/item/2983-a-christmas-message


What a coniving, vomit-inducing scunner. He doesn't seem to realise the continual and permanent harm he piles upon his vile football club with his vitriol.


Quite unbelievable. Surely he cannot get away with that.

What a horrible twisted little man!.. :rolleyes: "man" I use that term loosely.

[Spike Mandela]

What a horrible twisted little man!.. :rolleyes: "man" I use that term loosely.

Jim Traynor script writing in full floww Ha Ha. Rangers looking an embarrassingly amateur organisation now. Any sensible Rangers fan should be very, very worried.

[Leithenhibby]

Jim Traynor script writing in full floww Ha Ha. Rangers looking an embarrassingly amateur organisation now. Any sensible Rangers fan should be very, very worried.


:agree:

Are there no depths this lot won't plunge tae! and will the SFA/ SPL/ SFL pull him up for his childish behaviour, don't think so :rolleyes:

[Mr White]

:agree:

Are there no depths this lot won't plunge tae! and will the SFA/ SPL/ SFL pull him up for his childish behaviour, don't think so :rolleyes:

Openly taunting the sfa now- effectively saying "go on i dare you".

[Jim44]

Openly taunting the sfa now- effectively saying "go on i dare you".

If the Scottish football authorities don't have the b@lls (maybe Sevco is holding them too tightly) or the desire to deal with Green's nonsense, they should seek the help of UEFA.

[CropleyWasGod]

If the Scottish football authorities don't have the b@lls (maybe Sevco is holding them too tightly) or the desire to deal with Green's nonsense, they should seek the help of UEFA.

I think they should rise above what is playground stuff. That way, they can't be painted as "humourless Scrooges" at this time of year.

That reaction will probably wind up CG/Traynor to the extent that, next time, they'll be more outrageous.... at which point the SFA can justifiably hammer them.

[adhibs]

Cant wait untill we play these *****. I try and avoid this thread but have a look atleast once a week and my hatred just grows more and more.

That message from Green is unbeleivable although no doubt the spinless sfa wont do anything about it.

[The Green Goblin]

I think the problem the SFA have is that any action against Zombiehuns will be used as fuel by Green to say "see? This proves they are against us!" and another statement follows and things may only get worse. What Green is doing may one day end up in tragedy, when he stirs the pot too much and someone gets hurt. So to some extent at least, the SFA have to be the bigger man.

My own opinion is that they should hammer Green personally (banned/fined/charged with bringing the game into disrepute/inciting hatred etc) to such an extent that he is seriously inconvenienced and deterred from doing this. I don't know if they can do that, or how they could do that, but sooner or later, they will have to act decisively and put this dangerous fool in his place. I'm not convinced the current leadership have the bottle to do it though.

[LeighLoyal]

I think the problem the SFA have is that any action against Zombiehuns will be used as fuel by Green to say "see? This proves they are against us!" and another statement follows and things may only get worse. What Green is doing may one day end up in tragedy, when he stirs the pot too much and someone gets hurt. So to some extent at least, the SFA have to be the bigger man.

My own opinion is that they should hammer Green personally (banned/fined/charged with bringing the game into disrepute/inciting hatred etc) to such an extent that he is seriously inconvenienced and deterred from doing this. I don't know if they can do that, or how they could do that, but sooner or later, they will have to act decisively and put this dangerous fool in his place. I'm not convinced the current leadership have the bottle to do it though.


So much for their fit and proper person new rules. Green makes Cwaig look sane. The same Cwaig they banned for life and fined £200k. All they've given this con merchant and troublemaker is a slap on the wrists.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Greene, Traynor and Fat Sally, are odious men, who are well suited to running one of the vilest, bigotted Clubs in the land......I really hope they get what's coming to them. Every statement generates excitement for the huns, but alienates every other person within the Scottish game, he should be hauled over the coals for this latest petulant outburst.

[Hibs Class]

When Rangers FC died, as they undeniably did, they created a space in Scottish football which I hoped might be filled by something decent, something better, or something at least a little less poisonous. Instead, newco sevco have actively sought to take their brand new club and use it to not only replicate every single vile feature associated with the extinct club that was Rangers, but to actually magnify it. Organisations frequently reflect the tone at the top, and when the man at the top is an ill-educated moron who actually seems to regard bigotry as a personal trait to be developed rather than a cancer to be exorcised, then what you end up with is sevco. Quite sad that a once in a lifetime opportunity should have been so gleefully spurned.

[Billy Whizz]

Why do sky sports keep giving this idiot air time

[CropleyWasGod]

Why do sky sports keep giving this idiot air time

He's good for business.

[Hibrandenburg]

When Rangers FC died, as they undeniably did, they created a space in Scottish football which I hoped might be filled by something decent, something better, or something at least a little less poisonous. Instead, newco sevco have actively sought to take their brand new club and use it to not only replicate every single vile feature associated with the extinct club that was Rangers, but to actually magnify it. Organisations frequently reflect the tone at the top, and when the man at the top is an ill-educated moron who actually seems to regard bigotry as a personal trait to be developed rather than a cancer to be exorcised, then what you end up with is sevco. Quite sad that a once in a lifetime opportunity should have been so gleefully spurned.

When he eventually walks/gets pushed he can return to England and watch from a safe distance how his monster that he created destroys Scottish football. The only ties that he has in Scotland are financial ones.

[SmashinGlass]

He's good for business.

And therein lies my problem with the horrible brand of capitalism that modern British society has allowed develop.

[jonty]

After his lack of humour regarding the Falkirk stadium announcer, and the Montrose program, they continue to show how pathetic they are.

[Baldy Foghorn]

After his lack of humour regarding the Falkirk stadium announcer, and the Montrose program, they continue to show how pathetic they are.

He is a hypocritical court jester......Best ignored.....

[Baldy Foghorn]

And therein lies my problem with the horrible brand of capitalism that modern British society has allowed develop.

Sad but true......

[SurferRosa]

Why do sky sports keep giving this idiot air time

Because he`s from Yorkshire....a mining family. He may have mentioned it once or twice...Now he`s dictating to Scottish football and nobody that supposedly runs the game here is doing anything to stop him. Ee, the lad`s done grand. That`s the sort of feelgood story SKY love....

[Waxy]

Why do sky sports keep giving this idiot air timeBecause they are the same.Sky/The tabloids.Twisting the world with lies so they can make money.Rangers are part of them.It's just all corrupt and until everyone stands together against it all we will keep on getting shafted.

[The Green Goblin]

So much for their fit and proper person new rules. Green makes Cwaig look sane. The same Cwaig they banned for life and fined £200k. All they've given this con merchant and troublemaker is a slap on the wrists.

So much indeed, yes. It is going to take something serious, maybe tragic, to force them to be seen to be doing something. Spineless to a fault.

[Bostonhibby]

He's good for business.

Am ditching the entire SKY package in the New Year and whilst their continued patronage of Green and ongoing adressing of the Hun as if they were the original club is part of my reason, I will blame it all on their fawning to cheeky charlie, if 500 Hibbies do the same ...........

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I remember posting a few months ago that Green was becoming a dangerous individual, nothing he has said since has changed my mind. Unfortunately his dangerous rhetoric is going to influence one of the knuckledraggers to take things too far sooner rather than later I fear.

[johnbc70]

When Rangers FC died, as they undeniably did, they created a space in Scottish football which I hoped might be filled by something decent, something better, or something at least a little less poisonous. Instead, newco sevco have actively sought to take their brand new club and use it to not only replicate every single vile feature associated with the extinct club that was Rangers, but to actually magnify it. Organisations frequently reflect the tone at the top, and when the man at the top is an ill-educated moron who actually seems to regard bigotry as a personal trait to be developed rather than a cancer to be exorcised, then what you end up with is sevco. Quite sad that a once in a lifetime opportunity should have been so gleefully spurned.

Good summary and how I feel.

Big test for the SFA, do they have the balls to stand up to Green? Doubt it, which is a shame.

Some might say I am being over dramatic but I think the way he is going and building up this 'them and us' attitude is going to cause a very serious incident. Hard to put into words what I mean, but I just think this is heading towards something really bad happening and Green needs to be very careful. I have not decided if he genuinely does not understand what is he playing with in terms of the hatred and bigotry that exists in Glasgow and the West Coast (and not just there other parts of the country as well) and that someone needs to have a quiet word with him and he will stop, or, and I hope this is not the case, he knows exactly what he is doing and is doing it in a calculated way.

Whatever he needs to stop, and the SFA or dare I suggest the Government need to step in.

[PatHead]

A fantastic blog tracking how The Rangers are a newco funny how Traynor and Green called themselves a newco when it suited


http://itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/not-new-club-then-by-retroscot-140.html?m=1

[The Green Goblin]

Good summary and how I feel.

Big test for the SFA, do they have the balls to stand up to Green? Doubt it, which is a shame.

Some might say I am being over dramatic but I think the way he is going and building up this 'them and us' attitude is going to cause a very serious incident. Hard to put into words what I mean, but I just think this is heading towards something really bad happening and Green needs to be very careful. I have not decided if he genuinely does not understand what is he playing with in terms of the hatred and bigotry that exists in Glasgow and the West Coast (and not just there other parts of the country as well) and that someone needs to have a quiet word with him and he will stop, or, and I hope this is not the case, he knows exactly what he is doing and is doing it in a calculated way.

Whatever he needs to stop, and the SFA or dare I suggest the Government need to step in.

Said this in my previous post too, and others have said likewise. Of one thing you can be sure- if a life/lives are lost or something terrible happens, the last person in the world to reflect or admit any kind of responsibility will be Green and co.

[LeighLoyal]

A fantastic blog tracking how The Rangers are a newco funny how Traynor and Green called themselves a newco when it suited


http://itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/not-new-club-then-by-retroscot-140.html?m=1



Some good stuff there. If they were they same club they'd pay the debts they owe, they don't pay because no court will call them Rangers FC and give justice to the hundreds of unpaid creditors. They are not Rangers FC, they are Sevco. ... Sevco then Sevco now Sevco always. No titles, no trophies, no history except this season in SFL3.

[iwasthere1972]

Just seen his interview on SSN. What an absolute clown of a man. Kept referring to Dundee United as Dundee and his offer to fill Tannadice with Huns version 2 is laughable. Keep this man off the telly. He's stranger than Vlad.

[Mr White]

Good summary and how I feel.

Big test for the SFA, do they have the balls to stand up to Green? Doubt it, which is a shame.

Some might say I am being over dramatic but I think the way he is going and building up this 'them and us' attitude is going to cause a very serious incident. Hard to put into words what I mean, but I just think this is heading towards something really bad happening and Green needs to be very careful. I have not decided if he genuinely does not understand what is he playing with in terms of the hatred and bigotry that exists in Glasgow and the West Coast (and not just there other parts of the country as well) and that someone needs to have a quiet word with him and he will stop, or, and I hope this is not the case, he knows exactly what he is doing and is doing it in a calculated way.

Whatever he needs to stop, and the SFA or dare I suggest the Government need to step in.
I think its calculated. He felt the wrath of the hordes when he first arrived so he knows full well what he's inciting and the effect that could have.

[VickMackie]

A fantastic blog tracking how The Rangers are a newco funny how Traynor and Green called themselves a newco when it suited


http://itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/not-new-club-then-by-retroscot-140.html?m=1

Brilliant.

I'd like to wish the The Rangers a happy day on their first Christmas. :tee hee:

[Moulin Yarns]

A fantastic blog tracking how The Rangers are a newco funny how Traynor and Green called themselves a newco when it suited


http://itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/not-new-club-then-by-retroscot-140.html?m=1

And then there is the other side of the coin, presumably the one with the Queen's head on it.

http://davidleggat-leggoland.blogspot.co.uk/

[degenerated]

And then there is the other side of the coin, presumably the one with the Queen's head on it.

http://davidleggat-leggoland.blogspot.co.uk/

That boy is a 24 carat rasper, constantly pished by the sounds of it. Presumably why he finds himself out of work.

[Mr White]

And then there is the other side of the coin, presumably the one with the Queen's head on it.

http://davidleggat-leggoland.blogspot.co.uk/

what a bellend. :crazy:

[PatHead]

And then there is the other side of the coin, presumably the one with the Queen's head on it.

http://davidleggat-leggoland.blogspot.co.uk/

Wish you hadn't posted that I feel sick. Maybe someone should remind him that The Rangers play in the 3rd Division and no-one outside of his new club or other Division 3 club's supporters is interested. Wonder what club he supported before The Rangers were formed?

[LeighLoyal]

http://willievass.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gifClyde fans offer Sevcoites season greetings. Happy returns ya deid B*******S :aok:


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_DuFUVCUAAIRVF.jpg

[Moulin Yarns]

Does anybody know how to complain about a threatening website?

http://davidleggat-leggoland.blogspot.co.uk/

And when Rangers and Rangers supporters are back on top once more and looking down again on Dundee United, on Hearts, on Hibs, on St Mirren , on Motherwell and on all the others who have behaved in such a horrible twisted, warped and bigoted way, let Rangers and let Rangers supporters take a terrible and deadly revenge on them.

[lapsedhibee]

Does anybody know how to complain about a threatening website?

http://davidleggat-leggoland.blogspot.co.uk/

And when Rangers and Rangers supporters are back on top once more and looking down again on Dundee United, on Hearts, on Hibs, on St Mirren , on Motherwell and on all the others who have behaved in such a horrible twisted, warped and bigoted way, let Rangers and let Rangers supporters take a terrible and deadly revenge on them.

He was the boy that Alex Thomson :not worth complained about. For a fair, measured summary of how that complaint went, see here (http://williampoole.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/alex-thompson-the-nuj-corrupt-and-irresponsible-bullies/).

[Moulin Yarns]

He was the boy that Alex Thomson :not worth complained about. For a fair, measured summary of how that complaint went, see here (http://williampoole.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/alex-thompson-the-nuj-corrupt-and-irresponsible-bullies/).

One hun apologist backing up another hun apologist!!! Who'd have thought it. Leggat and Poole both tarred with the same brush.

What I want to know is how to make a complaint about the explicit threat from Leggat to incite "Rangers supporters take a terrible and deadly revenge on" supporters of, among others, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibs, St Mirren , and Motherwell.

[CropleyWasGod]

One hun apologist backing up another hun apologist!!! Who'd have thought it. Leggat and Poole both tarred with the same brush.

What I want to know is how to make a complaint about the explicit threat from Leggat to incite "Rangers supporters take a terrible and deadly revenge on" supporters of, among others, Dundee United, Hearts, Hibs, St Mirren , and Motherwell.

The police or the NUJ, if he is still a member.

[LeighLoyal]

He's not inciting deadly revenge on the pitch, he's talking about other clubs supporters and suggesting the zombie huns will exact some sort of extreme retribution when Sevco have their first spl season. No doubt he won't be leading the zombie charge with chib in hand personally of course, stupid old fart.

[Bostonhibby]

He's not inciting deadly revenge on the pitch, he's talking about other clubs supporters and suggesting the zombie huns will exact some sort of extreme retribution when Sevco have their first spl season. No doubt he won't be leading the zombie charge with chib in hand personally of course, stupid old fart.

:agree: TBF he does imply some sort of deadly vengeance on supporters, which could be seen as incitement, but given who this roaster actually is, Shouldn't we just send him a dog turd in a box and be done with it?

[Cropley10]

Does anybody know how to complain about a threatening website?

http://davidleggat-leggoland.blogspot.co.uk/

And when Rangers and Rangers supporters are back on top once more and looking down again on Dundee United, on Hearts, on Hibs, on St Mirren , on Motherwell and on all the others who have behaved in such a horrible twisted, warped and bigoted way, let Rangers and let Rangers supporters take a terrible and deadly revenge on them.

I heard from a reliable source that Leggat has already had is collar felt by the Polis over comments made about a perceived enemy of The Rangers.

Call your local cop shop and ask them about this comment.

[Billy Whizz]

Thought they had joined the English league when I noticed they were playing Queens Park on TV.
Have they moved the camera's to the other side of the stadium?

[MrSmith]

Done and reported:

http://www.centralscotland.police.uk/contact_us/force_forms/contact_us_email.aspx


The only way to stop these people is at source and all of us doing so!
(http://www.centralscotland.police.uk/contact_us/force_forms/contact_us_email.aspx)

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Lucky b's.....injury time winner vs QP.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

For a professional side playing in their first season, a 1 0 at Hampden isnae bad, the players must've been right up for it!

[JoeTortolanoFanClub]

Done and reported:

http://www.centralscotland.police.uk/contact_us/force_forms/contact_us_email.aspx


The only way to stop these people is at source and all of us doing so!
(http://www.centralscotland.police.uk/contact_us/force_forms/contact_us_email.aspx)


Well done. That was the right thing to do.

[Hibs07p]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/undisclosed-payments-investigation-unaffected-by-death-of-former-rangers-director-adam.19808072

....An independent commission headed by Lord Nimmo Smith convenes on January 29 and will later make a ruling on the alleged payments to players at Rangers via EBTs between 2000 and 2010.

If it is found that Rangers failed to disclose contractual payments to the SPL and the Scottish Football Association, a range of punishments could be applied, including stripping of titles and Scottish Cups. An initial inquiry found that Rangers had a case to answer....

I hope Oldco is found guilty of all charges and the relevant titles etc are taken from them, which in effect really means nothing to Newco, as they don't have the history of Oldco. If the titles are removed, Newco have no legitimate right to appeal that decision, and that alone, must go a long way in proving Newco has no legal claim, to Oldco heritage. Newco will still claim to be Oldco, and the media will back them up, but a legal ruling, if it can be called that, will finally destroy that myth.

GGTTH

[LeighLoyal]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/undisclosed-payments-investigation-unaffected-by-death-of-former-rangers-director-adam.19808072

....An independent commission headed by Lord Nimmo Smith convenes on January 29 and will later make a ruling on the alleged payments to players at Rangers via EBTs between 2000 and 2010.

If it is found that Rangers failed to disclose contractual payments to the SPL and the Scottish Football Association, a range of punishments could be applied, including stripping of titles and Scottish Cups. An initial inquiry found that Rangers had a case to answer....

I hope Oldco is found guilty of all charges and the relevant titles etc are taken from them, which in effect really means nothing to Newco, as they don't have the history of Oldco. If the titles are removed, Newco have no legitimate right to appeal that decision, and that alone, must go a long way in proving Newco has no legal claim, to Oldco heritage. Newco will still claim to be Oldco, and the media will back them up, but a legal ruling, if it can be called that, will finally destroy that myth.

GGTTH


If there's any justice oldco will be found guilty, and as you say the outcome is not applicable to, or appealable by, newco. Same club myth fully expelled!

[marinello59]

If there's any justice oldco will be found guilty, and as you say the outcome is not applicable to, or appealable by, newco. Same club myth fully expelled!

If there is any justice they will be given a fair hearing and the right decision will be reached based on the facts whether that be innocent or guilty. Blind hatred towards them doesn't mean that they are guilty..............although I think they are.
If you believe football clubs are simply a business then they are not the same club. If you believe that the main spirit of a football club exists in the hearts and minds of its supporters then they are still Rangers. They are certainly as unlikeable as always. Don't complain that the money men have stolen our game if you are only to happy to let account sheets and business law decide the form our clubs take.
The myth here is the whole sporting integrity crusade. If it really was an over riding concern of Scottish football fans and not just a slogan for the mob to batter Rangers with then where is the concerned moral outrage on other clubs forums being whipped up about Hearts financial shenanigans? Apart from on Hibs forums there has been very little. Rangers got what they deserved but lets not pretend they no longer exist. They will be back bigger and stronger than ever. Rather than concentrating on petty spiteful revenge we should be arguing about how we stop the old duopoly taking a grip of our top league when they eventually get back there.

[CropleyWasGod]

If there's any justice oldco will be found guilty, and as you say the outcome is not applicable to, or appealable by, newco. Same club myth fully expelled!

As far as justice is concerned, I am with M59.... the evidence has to be heard and tested first.

The outcome is indeed applicable to the Newco. That was one of the conditions set as part of their SFA licence. And, if we are applying natural justice, then they will be entitled to appeal if it goes against them. For example, if the commission decide to set a financial penalty (which, in itself, would have a certain justice to it), the Newco would be required to pay it; equally, it would be fair if they were allowed to appeal against that.

[Spike Mandela]

New Tomoblog...........

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/happy-year-rangers-fans/3598

[CropleyWasGod]

New Tomoblog...........

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/happy-year-rangers-fans/3598

A reasonable summary, but I would take issue on a couple of points:-

"the bizarre world of EBT loans needs sorting via the public accounts committee, Treasury and parliament." It already has been. EBT loans of the type RFC indulged in were outlawed a few years ago.

"we now know from the FTTT that Rangers Football Club copped to dodgy tax arrangements for several players which is an unfair financial advantage. This is cheating.Sanctions from the taxman must presumably follow from that, as we would all agree."

HMRC can't punish the new club. Any punishment on the old club, conversely, harms the ordinary creditors.

This one will ruffle a few feathers on here :greengrin "Rangers won’t die, and all the claptrap about zombies and dead clubs needs immediate deletion. A club is – must be – its culture and fanbase,"

[PatHead]

Wee bit backtracking by Thommo re The Rangers history.

As someone said to me "When Bobby Moore sold his medal the guy who bought it didn't become a World Cup winning captain."

[ano hibby]

In Downfall book Phil Mac says if Rangers did field ineligible players it was in 700 matches!

[CropleyWasGod]

In Downfall book Phil Mac says if Rangers did field ineligible players it was in 700 matches!

Can we get the 7-0 result reversed then? :greengrin

[ano hibby]

Can we get the 7-0 result reversed then? :greengrin

A 10 goal swing!

[jgl07]

I heard from a reliable source that Leggat has already had is collar felt by the Polis over comments made about a perceived enemy of The Rangers.

Call your local cop shop and ask them about this comment.

It could be worse than that!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dunfermline-man-david-leggatt-admits-1450354

[grunt]

Bit of a twitter fuss about this article on Rangers' website.
Seems the Rangers are upset at something.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3056-jibe-only-motivates-more#.UOlXn6uid5U.facebook

[CropleyWasGod]

Bit of a twitter fuss about this article on Rangers' website.
Seems the Rangers are upset at something.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3056-jibe-only-motivates-more#.UOlXn6uid5U.facebook

Who are the ECA?

[ScottB]

Bit of a twitter fuss about this article on Rangers' website.
Seems the Rangers are upset at something.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3056-jibe-only-motivates-more#.UOlXn6uid5U.facebook

Surely UEFA and the ECA don't recognise them as the same club, hence them not being allowed to play in Europe...


Who are the ECA?

European Club Association I think.

[CropleyWasGod]

Surely UEFA and the ECA don't recognise them as the same club, hence them not being allowed to play in Europe...



European Club Association I think.

IIRC, they are not allowed to play in Europe because of the insolvency.

[Part/Time Supporter]

IIRC, they are not allowed to play in Europe because of the insolvency.

They weren't allowed to play in Europe this season because of the insolvency event last season.

They're not allowed to play in Europe next season (even if they win the SC) because it's a new company with no accounting history.

[CropleyWasGod]

They weren't allowed to play in Europe this season because of the insolvency event last season.

They're not allowed to play in Europe next season (even if they win the SC) because it's a new company with no accounting history.

Is the "insolvency ban" not for 3 years?

Oh, there are so many bans!! :greengrin

[banchoryhibs]

"When Rangers were at their lowest ebb a few months ago, the likes of Celtic, Dundee United and Hibernian seemed to be most keen to keep them pinned down." http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/opinio...uid5U.facebook

I wonder if there is any link with this statement to the fact that all three of these clubs were started by Irish Catholic immigrants? Surely you'd not expect this from such a loyal club:cb:cb

[green glory]

It could be worse than that!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dunfermline-man-david-leggatt-admits-1450354

I'm familiar with this guy's comedy blog, but is this definitely the same guy?

[grunt]

Surely UEFA and the ECA don't recognise them as the same club, hence them not being allowed to play in Europe...
I don't know what UEFA's view on Rangers is, but you just need to look at FIFA's website to see what they think ...

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=1977017.html


Rangers’ perilous financial position had been an open secret but there was still shock when, after 140 years of history and a world record 54 league titles, the club was consigned to liquidation in mid-June. The Glasgow giants were subsequently reformed as a new company and granted entry to the Third Division, Scotland (http://www.hibs.net/associations/association=sco/index.html)’s fourth tier, which they currently lead by nine points with a game in hand.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Just reading some nutter on twitter (@maestromccall) saying that sevco should demand an apology fromFIFA otherwise they will boycott European competition and this will cause European football to crumble apparently!! :greengrin

[LeighLoyal]

Just reading some nutter on twitter (@maestromccall) saying that sevco should demand an apology fromFIFA otherwise they will boycott European competition and this will cause European football to crumble apparently!! :greengrin




Aye, and Sally o'ra Deed wants ti ken the names ay these FIFA peepul!




http://s19.postimage.org/6jjldlm77/fat_zombie.jpg


Hey Sally! Yir pure deed by the way! :greengrin

[jgl07]

I'm familiar with this guy's comedy blog, but is this definitely the same guy?

I doubt it given the Fife address for this David Leggat.

[PatHead]

I have heard that Mr Green is subject to an investigation by the tax man in relation to Zeus Capital (the firm who arranged the Share issue).

Two points on this

1. Will this affect his fit and proper test at the SFA which has still not been completed or satisfied?

2. How would this affect The Rangers International or whatever their real name is if he has been naughty?

On a seperate note I notice that another of Craig Whyte's companies (Merchant Investors Structured Deposit arm) has jumped before they were shut down by the FSA and closed to new deposits over the past week.

[aDONis]

Is the "insolvency ban" not for 3 years?

Oh, there are so many bans!! :greengrin

Hi Cropley.

The trigger for the exclusion was the insolvency. The reason for the exclusion is that because there was no transfer of the share, Newco (according to Waffa's Article 12) was neither:

"a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated
league (hereinafter: registered member); or
b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member."

The three year bit, is because for item one or two to stand.

"The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at
the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any
alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example,
changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings
between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on
sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a
competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual
relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision."

Hence the death of OldCo triggered the "interruption of membership" so no europe for a while.

Yours
aDONis

[CropleyWasGod]

I have heard that Mr Green is subject to an investigation by the tax man in relation to Zeus Capital (the firm who arranged the Share issue).

Two points on this

1. Will this affect his fit and proper test at the SFA which has still not been completed or satisfied?

2. How would this affect The Rangers International or whatever their real name is if he has been naughty?

On a seperate note I notice that another of Craig Whyte's companies (Merchant Investors Structured Deposit arm) has jumped before they were shut down by the FSA and closed to new deposits over the past week.

Investigations by HMRC can take many forms, and be for many reasons. Sometime they are just random. It's one of my bits of advice to clients that, at some point in their business life, they will have an "investigation".

What I'm trying to say is that the existence of one doesn't mean that someone is dodgy. So, in short, the answer to (1) is NAW.

On (2), if he has been "naughty" (and remember that HMRC transgressions are unlikely to get into the public domain), it may affect the attitude of potential investors.

[grunt]

Unbelievably crass article from Traynor, in his new role at The Rangers. Honestly, words fail me.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3085-remember-sporting-integrity?


THE shape of things to come, three divisions of 12-12-18, has been agreed in principle.

This abomination will now be pulled and stretched by selected members of the SPL and SFL in a desperate attempt to make it more presentable. Good luck with that. It would be easier trying to iron out the lines on the face of the old broad, Madge, in Benidorm.12-12-18. It’s ridiculous, especially when you remember the two 12s will fragment into three eights.

Yet this time supporters will just have to buy into it. Whatever happened to that new and bold notion that fans were all important?
It isn’t that long ago clubs, particularly those in the top flight, were solemnly insisting that ignoring the views of fans would be akin to financial suicide. Remember? It was when the game was wrestling with the problem of what to do with Rangers.
All the clubs were squealing that the wishes of fans had to be granted. If you swallowed any of that bilge you probably also believed in sporting integrity.

Of course it was all nonsense. Sporting Integrity was a cloak of convenience, albeit a rather thin, practically transparent one, behind which club leaders huddled together to come up with sanctions. Rangers had to be punished, they deserved to be punished but it seemed as if additional penalties were being randomly introduced depending on who was in which meeting.

Many Rangers fans like to think the frenzy to cause the club as much additional pain as possible was driven by one club but that wasn’t strictly the case. Many fans of many clubs waded in but this is not to say Celtic fans or their club didn’t attempt to influence the outcome of debates on Rangers and possible sanctions. Of course they did. And they are still at it on social media sites and on blogs clattered out by individuals who are no better than semi-literate.

The sheer hypocrisy of what is happening within Hampden’s corridors of power right now will be lost on them but let’s not pretend sporting integrity or the wishes of supporters really are important to all those clubs pushing for this change. If they were listening to fans they wouldn’t be sticking with a top division of 12 , and if there was any integrity there would be no rush to bring in changes for the start of next season.
If, as seems likely, the structure is altered for 2013-14 supporters won’t get what they’ve already paid for, especially those following teams striving for promotion. Actually this entire season will be rendered meaningless.

Sporting integrity won’t merely be compromised, it’ll be crushed but this is what happens when desperation slips in and throttles reason.
This belief won’t sit well with the few who are more or less running the SPL and influencing thinking within that desperate organisation but they can’t complain. After all, they’ve dismissed Rangers’ views completely.

This club, the biggest one in the country, were not invited to take part in talks which will shape the game’s future. We are then entitled to conclude that this club are not important, which is strange indeed when so many fans of other clubs continue to be obsessed by Rangers, who are simply getting on with their own affairs asking no favour from anyone. We do, however, expect commonsense to be applied, along with fair play.

Look, Rangers will return to the top flight, which will of course have to be rebranded. Rangers will take a seat at the head of the table where, despite the latest insult of being shut out of reconstruction talks, we will act with the good of Scottish football in mind. We’ll work through the divisions and we will return stronger and better than ever before. This club accepted their sanctions and moved on but too many others have been unable to do the same. They continue their assaults and while the deranged, who are using social media sites as conduits for their twisted agendas, should be ignored there are more than a few in the mainstream still maligning the club at every opportunity.

In a BBC radio debate last Saturday night one pundit, in a matter-of-fact manner, said Charles Green speaks with ‘forked tongue.’ No attempt to explain or justify the statement, just as no explanation was offered when another radio voice claimed there was a dishonesty about Walter Smith when he went public with a late bid for the club.

Word of advice gentlemen. From now on be very careful when talking or writing about this club.

To paraphrase something said about another club, Rangers will not be treated less than others. And although there is no desire to pick fights, be assured that no one will attack Rangers with impunity. Better, however, to quote Bill Struth: ‘Never fear, inevitably we shall have our years of failure and when they arrive, we must reveal tolerance and sanity. You do that, you will emerge stronger than before.’

Tolerance and sanity. That’s what Rangers will demonstrate and maintain, especially when back at the summit. After all, someone has to. 12-12-18. Dear God.

[Sergio sledge]

" Tolerance and sanity. That’s what Rangers will demonstrate and maintain..."

After that article?

" Word of advice gentlemen. From now on be very careful when talking or writing about this club."

Tolerance and sanity Jim? More like irresponsible posturing and winding up the masses Jim. Let me ask you this, when your club has a known problem with some of its fans behaviour, what's the best way of encouraging them to continue to act like this? Oh yeah, by writing articles like this....

[Hibs Class]

Unbelievably crass article from Traynor, in his new role at The Rangers. Honestly, words fail me.

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/opinion/item/3085-remember-sporting-integrity?

Unfortunately the crass-ness is all too believable. Precisely what I'd expect from traynor, the old rangers and the club sevco that replaced them when they died.

[lucky]

Was not necessary a fan of 12-12-18 but since Traynor and rest at Castle Greyskull are against it so much I'm warming to it.

[LeighLoyal]

Was not necessary a fan of 12-12-18 but since Traynor and rest at Castle Greyskull are against it so much I'm warming to it.


Means it matters not what Sevco International do in SFL 3 :na na:


Might explain Traynor's pain!

[speedy_gonzales]

Means it matters not what Sevco International do in SFL 3 :na na:


Might explain Traynor's pain!
Whilst through west this evening I was listening to Clyde 1 superscoreboard or whatever it's called.
It's a bit like The Real Radio Football Phone In,,,well, I say a bit, in that Old firm fans phone in and dominate the topics.
Anyhoo, tonight, a The Rangers fan called in and said the league reconstruction was created by other teams to prevent The Rangers getting to their rightful place. He just didn't get it when one of the panelists said that any potential reconstruction would not change the plan for The Rangers to be back in the top flight for 2015/16. If nothing changes, next season The Rangers will more than likely be in the 2nd division, if it changes, and as things stand, The Rangers will be in the 3rd tier of any reconstructed league.
No difference, but it's all a conspiracy apparently, The Rangers are starting to sound a bit like The Celtic:wink:

[grunt]

BBC Sportsound ‏@bbcsportsound The Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green will recommend Rangers try to leave Scotland if 12-12-18 reconstruction plans are pushed through

[Hibee87]

BBC Sportsound ‏@bbcsportsoundThe Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green will recommend Rangers try to leave Scotland if 12-12-18 reconstruction plans are pushed through

:dummytit:

[silverhibee]

BBC Sportsound ‏@bbcsportsound The Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green will recommend Rangers try to leave Scotland if 12-12-18 reconstruction plans are pushed through


:bye::bye::bye::bye::bye::bye::bye:

[Hibby70]

BBC Sportsound ‏@bbcsportsound The Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green will recommend Rangers try to leave Scotland if 12-12-18 reconstruction plans are pushed through
I wasnt too sold on the new structure but for some reason it now seems like a great idea.

[silverhibee]

They don't see any point now in finishing the season off.


Awwwwwwwwwwwwww

:na na::na na::na na::na na:

[blackpoolhibs]

Traynor says look The Rangers will return to the top flight, not according to Green they wont? Erse.

[Jim44]

Where is Green coming from? At first he said there was no way that Newco would ever return to the SPL. Now that proposed reconstruction will not expedite their return to the top division he takes the powder puff and says they are looking for an escape route from Scottish football. He should feel relieved that they can take their proposed escape route without upsetting anyone. He's a comlete f@nny.

[Saorsa]

BBC Sportsound ‏@bbcsportsoundThe Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green will recommend Rangers try to leave Scotland if 12-12-18 reconstruction plans are pushed throughCheerio now :bye::bye::bye::bye::bye::bye:


:flag:

[marinello59]

Where is Green coming from? At first he said there was no way that Newco would ever return to the SPL. Now that proposed reconstruction will not expedite their return to the top division he takes the powder puff and says they are looking for an escape route from Scottish football. He should feel relieved that they can take their proposed escape route without upsetting anyone. He's a comlete f@nny.

He is merely playing to the gallery. He ain't daft, the guy will walk away in a couple of years with his pockets full of cash. And the ******* he is playing like a fiddle will still be singing his praises.

[Sylar]

Gotta give the man some credit...he doesn't half know how to install the siege mentality amongst the Ibrox faithful :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

As they are only associate members of the SFA maybe it's time to say cheerio. They are obviously unhappy and show no inclination to become full members like the old Rangers.

[deekster]

I wonder if Green could say hand on heart that Rangers would vote against the proposal if they where still in the SPL? Just sour grapes cause there quick fire return to the top flight is not going to be as quick and easy as they though .
Hope they do one as they won't be missed.

[SteveHFC]

BBC Sportsound ‏@bbcsportsoundThe Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green will recommend Rangers try to leave Scotland if 12-12-18 reconstruction plans are pushed through

Cheerio now you absolute fud :aok:

A quote from rangers media:


8watp8


Posted Today, 04:31 PM
lets get the **** out of here, the funniest thing in all this is we ARE scottish football - most successful biggest fanbase in this country but under our "dignified" reign we have let the tarriers in too far. lets move this british club south of the border and let them rot up here.

:faf:

[Hibercelona]

This is grand news!

If they leave Scottish Football, they'll simply cease to exist as nobody else will welcome them anywhere.

:bye:

[Hibercelona]

He is merely playing to the gallery. He ain't daft, the guy will walk away in a couple of years with his pockets full of cash. And the ******* he is playing like a fiddle will still be singing his praises.

There's a couple of clubs you could be talking about here.

No guess to who the other club are. :agree:

[Hibercelona]

Cheerio now you absolute fud :aok:

A quote from rangers media:

:faf:

I wonder if they'll still be singing the queens praises when England give them a big round GTF.

:lolrangers:

[Saorsa]

Cheerio now you absolute fud :aok:

A quote from rangers media:

:faf:

dignified :hilarious they wouldnae ken dignity if it walked up and smacked them in the puss 10 times with the butt of an AK47

[Pete]

All the rangers fans in Belfast are going mad about this. Taking to the streets even!

[Mr White]

All the rangers fans in Belfast are going mad about this. Taking to the streets even!

Now those boys know how to organise a proper flag debate.

[Hibercelona]

All the rangers fans in Belfast are going mad about this. Taking to the streets even!

First the restriction of the Union Jack and now this!

It's those evil caths I tell you! They're taking over the world!

[Hibbyradge]

BBC Sportsound ‏@bbcsportsound The Rangers Chief Executive Charles Green will recommend Rangers try to leave Scotland if 12-12-18 reconstruction plans are pushed through

Wow, what a clever, innovative idea.

I wonder why no club has thought about leaving Scotland before?

Good luck with that, Charles. Let us know how you get on.

Fud.

[DaveF]

Charles Green in talking ***** shocker :rolleyes:

Move over Vlad, there's a new idiot in the village.

[rcarter1]

Is Charles Green a secret weapon in David Camerons anti Independence strategy? - divide and conquer... :hmmm:

[degenerated]

Is Charles Green a secret weapon in David Camerons anti Independence strategy? - divide and conquer... :hmmm:

He's a weapon alright and there's nae secret about it!

[Pete]

Seriously, I don't understand what problem sevco have with this. Is it because they aren't being catapulted up the league? Is it because they weren't instrumental in talks...where they would have used their presence to make sure they were catapulted up the league? I really do hope they go away. I'd be willing to watch a Sunday league standard of football if thats what it took.

I think we had better prepare ourselves for them boycotting our ground when they do come up. Reading between the lines, I think we will be the main focus for their anger. Change the pricing and get it marketed so we get hibs fans filling the place.

[JeMeSouviens]

Seriously, I don't understand what problem sevco have with this. Is it because they aren't being catapulted up the league? Is it because they weren't instrumental in talks...where they would have used their presence to make sure they were catapulted up the league? I really do hope they go away. I'd be willing to watch a Sunday league standard of football if thats what it took.

I think we had better prepare ourselves for them boycotting our ground when they do come up. Reading between the lines, I think we will be the main focus for their anger. Change the pricing and get it marketed so we get hibs fans filling the place.

They thought they'd be given a place in the 2nd of 3 divisions, assuming that they'll have "won" a promotion irrespective of the fact that they'd be jumping past most of the current Div2. Fannies. :na na:

[The_Todd]

Charles Green and Rangers probably have no beef with any of the proposals, he's just playing to the gallery as per usual.

[lapsedhibee]

They thought they'd be given a place in the 2nd of 3 divisions, assuming that they'll have "won" a promotion irrespective of the fact that they'd be jumping past most of the current Div2. Fannies. :na na:

No reason to complain at all. They're currently in the fourth tier, they'll win that league this year, and next year they'll be in the third tier. Couldn't be fairer. Fannies.

[lucky]

Bye bye Chucky

[ballengeich]

I see two things about Green's comments, given that the proposed change makes virtually no difference to The Rangers' future :-

a) he'll try to put pressure on to get The Rangers into the second tier next season. This must be resisted.

b) the drive to get The Rangers out of Scotland will intensify as a belief that it'll happen is the only explanation I've thought of for the success in selling shares to institutional investors. It's also his group's way of maximising their profit.

[ancient hibee]

He's just playing to the numpties.Getting humped by Port Vale is not going to endear him to investors.

[Seveno]

Send us a postcard, Charles.

On second thoughts, don't bother. :na na:

[CropleyWasGod]

Seriously, I don't understand what problem sevco have with this. Is it because they aren't being catapulted up the league? Is it because they weren't instrumental in talks...where they would have used their presence to make sure they were catapulted up the league? .

It's because, as an Associate Member, they don't even get a vote on the matter......:greengrin

[greenginger]

It was also good to hear a reporter on the Scottish News say something like, " we are all getting used to Charles Green making bizarre and meaningless statements and this is another one ".

Mind you, it took a wee lassie with a microphone rather than any senior sports reporter.

Will Rangers demand an apology ? :greengrin

[Hibercelona]

It was also good to hear a reporter on the Scottish News say something like, " we are all getting used to Charles Green making bizarre and meaningless statements and this is another one ".

Mind you, it took a wee lassie with a microphone rather than any senior sports reporter.

Will Rangers demand an apology ? :greengrin

And I thought she got the sack the first time round. :hmmm:

[fat freddy]

Im going to be careful here as James Traynor has warned the semi literate using social network sites that he, as the recently appointed guardian of all things sevconian, wont stand by and watch his new paymasters have nasty things written about them...so i will return the threat with a cherry on top and declare that as a fully paid up member of the semi literate social network community i will be watching every utterance that James makes and if i dont like what he says i will do exactly the same to him as he would do to me....Nothing.


The guy is full of his own self importance but he is utterly impotent...History will view him as an insignificant, opportunist from a cultural backwater that jumped on a sectarian gravy train in a vain attempt to ingratiate himself to an army of bigots whilst lining his pockets with their money.

Remember James...Im watching you:na na:

[MrSmith]

Im going to be careful here as James Traynor has warned the semi literate using social network sites that he, as the recently appointed guardian of all things sevconian, wont stand by and watch his new paymasters have nasty things written about them...so i will return the threat with a cherry on top and declare that as a fully paid up member of the semi literate social network community i will be watching every utterance that James makes and if i dont like what he says i will do exactly the same to him as he would do to me....Nothing.


The guy is full of his own self importance but he is utterly impotent...History will view him as an insignificant, opportunist from a cultural backwater that jumped on a sectarian gravy train in a vain attempt to ingratiate himself to an army of bigots whilst lining his pockets with their money.

Remember James...Im watching you:na na:

This is my feelings too!

I'll be watching him as well!

[Famous Fiver]

fat freddy

Post of the day!!!

[Niffy]

Huns are taking the huff as it means all their hard work in winning Div 3 will be a waste of time and they'll be in the new 3rd teir just like everyone else in their class.
Then they'll have even more ****ty grounds to go to in the new super 2nd division.

[Hibercelona]

Huns are taking the huff as it means all their hard work in winning Div 3 will be a waste of time and they'll be in the new 3rd teir just like everyone else in their class.
Then they'll have even more ****ty grounds to go to in the new super 2nd division.

But shouldn't they be happy?

After all, they did say that they never wanted to be in the top tier of Scottish football ever again.

[LeighLoyal]

Had a right belly laugh at Green's outbursts the day. Sevco will 'leave' Scottish football. That'll be after 4 months of associate membership then. Don't forget to shut the door on your way out ya flat capped drivel merchant. :thumbsup:

[ballengeich]

Huns are taking the huff as it means all their hard work in winning Div 3 will be a waste of time and they'll be in the new 3rd teir just like everyone else in their class.
Then they'll have even more ****ty grounds to go to in the new super 2nd division.

I feel their pain. They thought they'd be at Ochilview twice next season to play Stenhousemuir. Instead they'll be at Ochilview twice playing Stenhousemuir once and East Stirlingshire once. What a difference!

As a more serious point, why not make it a 12-12-10-10. The remainder of division 3 will not be meaningless and two extra teams get to join the national setup next season.

[shagpile]

I feel their pain. They thought they'd be at Ochilview twice next season to play Stenhousemuir. Instead they'll be at Ochilview twice playing Stenhousemuir once and East Stirlingshire once. What a difference!

As a more serious point, why not make it a 12-12-10-10. The remainder of division 3 will not be meaningless and two extra teams get to join the national setup next season.

Too many clubs already. We should be looking to reduce the number, not increase it.

[ballengeich]

Too many clubs already. We should be looking to reduce the number, not increase it.

Why? What adverse effect do the lower league teams have on Hibs?

[grunt]

Why? What adverse effect do the lower league teams have on Hibs?

The more clubs in the league, the less money available for each club?

[grunt]

I see Green is on the tv again, being interviewed on STV.
That man is on telly more often than Ant and Dec.

[lord bunberry]

Why? What adverse effect do the lower league teams have on Hibs?

they knock us out the cup

[ballengeich]

The more clubs in the league, the less money available for each club?

I can see a possible marginal drop in the income from central sponsorship, but how much of Hibs' income is influenced by the number of teams in divisions 2 and 3? Our gate money and club sponsorship is not affected, SPL sponsorship and tv income is not affected, so what remains? The amounts which lower division teams receive is fairly small. There's not much that's divided equally among all 42 clubs now so dividing it among 44 instead of 42 would make next to no difference to us.

[fat freddy]

Charles Green has just been interviewed on talkSPORT by sycophantic duo Keyes and Gray...he said that he will consider taking the English F.A. to the European court in Strasbourg if he isn't allowed to take the rangers into the English league...he also said that Swansea and Cardiff should be kicked out of the Premiership if the rangers aren't allowed to move south....bizzarely Keyes and Gray never pointed out that Cardiff aren't in the premiership and they allowed him to waffle away to his hearts content...there was one or two very long pauses in the conversation as the presenters digested the nonsense uttered by the straight talking yorkshireman (his words not mine)...he seems to be obsessed with his yorkshire background as he gave us yet more homegrown yorkshire philosophy...apparantley Scotland is the home of the one eyed man and he's 'just a simple yorkshireman'....Vlad, you can leave Scotland, we've found your replacement

[lapsedhibee]

Vlad, you can leave Scotland, we've found your replacement

Would much prefer if Green would just **** off back to his own country.

[fat freddy]

Would much prefer if Green would just **** off back to his own country.

is that you Leigh?

[lapsedhibee]

is that you Leigh?

:giruy:

[greenginger]

Charles Green has just been interviewed on talkSPORT by sycophantic duo Keyes and Gray...he said that he will consider taking the English F.A. to the European court in Strasbourg if he isn't allowed to take the rangers into the English league...he also said that Swansea and Cardiff should be kicked out of the Premiership if the rangers aren't allowed to move south....bizzarely Keyes and Gray never pointed out that Cardiff aren't in the premiership and they allowed him to waffle away to his hearts content...there was one or two very long pauses in the conversation as the presenters digested the nonsense uttered by the straight talking yorkshireman (his words not mine)...he seems to be obsessed with his yorkshire background as he gave us yet more homegrown yorkshire philosophy...apparantley Scotland is the home of the one eyed man and he's 'just a simple yorkshireman'....Vlad, you can leave Scotland, we've found your replacement


I heard a bit of it as well.

Green says " we have been forced to pay bills which wer'nt ours " and in the next sentence says "everybody recognises we are the same club as the old Rangers ".

And neither Keyes or Gray point out the conflict in those two sentences and ask Green to justify his position.

Can anyone with access to the English Parish records see if a certain Charles Alexander Green born 1/5/1953 was baptised a Catholic !

Its the sure way to ensure a speedy exit from Greyskull. :greengrin

[SurferRosa]

I heard a bit of it as well.

Green says " we have been forced to pay bills which wer'nt ours " and in the next sentence says "everybody recognises we are the same club as the old Rangers ".

And neither Keyes or Gray point out the conflict in those two sentences and ask Green to justify his position.

Can anyone with access to the English Parish records see if a certain Charles Alexander Green born 1/5/1953 was baptised a Catholic !

Its the sure way to ensure a speedy exit from Greyskull. :greengrin

He says they`re an old club or a new club depending on what point he`s trying to make. If it`s about escaping their debts and their cheating, then they are a new club. If its about their history and titles, then they are the old club. I`ve yet to hear an interviewer anywhere actually stop him and question him about it. They all just let him carry on his slavering without challenge.

As an aside, on his ridiculous nonsense about taking UEFA to court on the sex-discrimination ticket......how is it possible that this idiot is seen as a fit and proper person to be in control of a football club? The dribbling buffoon should be getting sectioned for that rant alone...

[deek]

Anyone else seen this statement from this nutter??

1832:
FOOTBALL
Rangers chief executive Charles Green claims he could use sex discrimination laws to sue UEFA if they try to block the club's moves to join a cross-border league.

He told TalkSport: "You have a UEFA-sanctioned professional women's league in Belgium and Holland, so we have a precedent there.

"If there was an opportunity to join a cross-border league and that was challenged by UEFA, I would go to Strasbourg and challenge the sexual equality."

[PatHead]

The Rangers/Green/McCoist are like an annoying little brother/sister who thinks they know everything and have an opinion on everything which is almost always wrong. They seem to forget they are only associate members of the Scottish League and have no right to change anything. I just wish they would show a bit humility and remember how they got fast-tracked into the Scottish League unlike other new clubs such as Gretna, Clydebank or Third Lanark.

[Ozyhibby]

They're sounding increasingly desperate. Could be they have worked out they have not got enough cash to complete their great adventure.

[magpie1892]

Anyone else seen this statement from this nutter??

1832:
FOOTBALL
Rangers chief executive Charles Green claims he could use sex discrimination laws to sue UEFA if they try to block the club's moves to join a cross-border league.

He told TalkSport: "You have a UEFA-sanctioned professional women's league in Belgium and Holland, so we have a precedent there.

"If there was an opportunity to join a cross-border league and that was challenged by UEFA, I would go to Strasbourg and challenge the sexual equality."

Honestly, this fud is best ignored. We all know why he's there, and we all know why he's spouting ***** non-stop like a muck spreader. It's going to go mammaries skyward at Rangers (old/new/whatever) again regardless. I'm kind of warming to him as I didn't think Vlad could be outdone in the 'wibble' stakes.

[blaikie]

Who are rangers? Some wee diddy third division team making noises let them go south, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one offering to hire a minibus to drive the ****ers south!

[Hibs Class]

Who are rangers? Some wee diddy third division team making noises let them go south, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one offering to hire a minibus to drive the ****ers south!

Easy mistake to make. Rangers were a big fish in a little pond before their death in 2012. I think you are confusing them with the rangers, a different entity altogether albeit one which tries to emulate the deceased club whenever it can. You are quite right that there would be no shortage of volunteers to drive the buggers out.

[BarneyK]

I heard a bit of it as well.

Green says " we have been forced to pay bills which wer'nt ours " and in the next sentence says "everybody recognises we are the same club as the old Rangers ".

And neither Keyes or Gray point out the conflict in those two sentences and ask Green to justify his position.

Can anyone with access to the English Parish records see if a certain Charles Alexander Green born 1/5/1953 was baptised a Catholic !

Its the sure way to ensure a speedy exit from Greyskull. :greengrin

Simply referring to them as "the old Rangers" in itself is an admission that they are not the same though...surely to goodness. :na na: Confused auld duffer.

[Bostonhibby]

No quite the EPL and Championship fighting over them then,:faf:

Please be true

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/scottish-football-rangers-join-english-non-league-152103868.html

[Sylar]

It's NEVER going to happen.

The English FA don't want them and reiterated that earlier this week.

Move on and quit trying to peddle a story which is pure fantasy (the collective media, not you BH).

[LancashireHibby]

Luckily it isn't up to the Blue Square Premier (or any other) clubs to decide to change the rules.

The only way they could play in England is if they were based in England and would have to apply to a step 7 league at the bottom of the ladder, just as any other new club has to do so. Even then, special dispensation has to be given to any clubs wishing to apply to join that level without playing in an existing feeder league.

[greenginger]

Small obstacle to the plan. Check rule 2.2

http://www.footballconference.co.uk/rules.php


All clubs will be based and play in England or Wales.

Ground share with Carlisle then ? :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Good **** them!

[Godsahibby]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?

[hibsbollah]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?

:hilarious

[JimBHibees]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?

Brilliant. :top marks

[Saorsa]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?:hilarious

[BroxburnHibee]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?

:hilarious

I'm having that :greengrin

[ballengeich]

Small obstacle to the plan. Check rule 2.2

http://www.footballconference.co.uk/rules.php


All clubs will be based and play in England or Wales.

Ground share with Carlisle then ? :greengrin

Could they buy, build, rent or steal a ground in England then join the English FA? That way the fans as well as the club would be out of Scotland every time there was a game.

[LancashireHibby]

Could they buy, build, rent or steal a ground in England then join the English FA? That way the fans as well as the club would be out of Scotland every time there was a game.
No reason why not, but they'd need a minimum of 5 consecutive promotions to even reach the Conference.

[ballengeich]

No reason why not, but they'd need a minimum of 5 consecutive promotions to even reach the Conference.

Lots of opportunities to set world records for tiers 6-10! I think they should go for it. (Sorry if they base themselves in your area though).

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

When we heard this tiresome bleating when they were still unexposed cheats, it was easy to say, do one if you like, but start at the bottom tier that will have you. That would have meant no cups for a while, no european football, reduced tv money, playing in pokey grounds against a mixture of journeymen and youngsters.
How different is that, from where they are just now?

[Keith_M]

As the rules prohibit being based anywhere except England or Wales, they really should buy out a club in England, that way they literally would be leaving Scotland.

Although, that would mean them having to sell Ibrox and pay for a brand new stadium down south but that's a price I'm prepared to accept :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?

Brilliant! :faf:

[Golden Bear]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?

:tee hee:

After a wee bit of thought it's got to be said!

[JoeTortolanoFanClub]

Small obstacle to the plan. Check rule 2.2

http://www.footballconference.co.uk/rules.php


All clubs will be based and play in England or Wales.

Ground share with Carlisle then ? :greengrin

Perhaps they could play in the Northern League then ? Gretna used to !

[Drem]

Total crap again from the huns.
As for The SFA saying they can go, who writes this pish.
England has made it quite clear that they do not want any smaller teams than they already have.

[Hibercelona]

Surely their beloved queen could pull some strings to ensure they're playing EPL football next season? :confused:

[easty]

Conference football? I didn't think they did Woking away?

That's simply excellent!!