Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Deansy]

Can't see that the BDO action will have any effect on the Rangers accounts, or their financial situation.

The claim is against D&P. If it succeeds, it will probably be met by their PII.

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But isn't it the point or chance, that someone has obviously been naughty and that the whole thing reeks of fraud/scam/con etc, etc and, hopefully, the finger is at last, pointed at the one who started all this - Murray ??. I just struggle to believe that he hasn't been seriously questioned in this, either by the police and, obviously to a far lesser extent, the 'media' ??. A 'respected businessman' being conned - FFS ??

[CropleyWasGod]

But isn't it the point or chance, that someone has obviously been naughty and that the whole thing reeks of fraud/scam/con etc, etc and, hopefully, the finger is at last, pointed at the one who started all this - Murray ??. I just struggle to believe that he hasn't been seriously questioned in this, either by the police and, obviously to a far lesser extent, the 'media' ??. A 'respected businessman' being conned - FFS ??
The liquidation of the old company has got very little to do with the financial situation of the new one.

Charges were brought against the D&P guys, but dropped. I've always suspected, though, that new ones would be brought if BDO asked the right questions ....which they have been doing for months now. Depending on the outcome of the civil Case, we might see more criminal charges.

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[JackLadd]

Can't see that the BDO action will have any effect on the Rangers accounts, or their financial situation.

The claim is against D&P. If it succeeds, it will probably be met by their PII.

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Jonjames seems to think otherwise. I assume he’s thinking Duff and Phelps would have to raise an action against Sevco to pay the £20m if they lost BDO case.

[JeMeSouviens]

Can't see that the BDO action will have any effect on the Rangers accounts, or their financial situation.

The claim is against D&P. If it succeeds, it will probably be met by their PII.

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The effect of a successful challenge to a transaction as a gratuitous alienation is that the transfer is set aside, so that the transferred asset is returned to the company. However, if a third party has acquired the property in good faith, and for value, then the reduction of the transfer is probably pointless, and the restoration of the property to the company becomes impossible. The legislation therefore provides that “other redress” can be made by the transferee, typically paying the value of the property to the liquidator/administrator.


http://www.morton-fraser.com/knowledge-hub/gratuitous-alienations-and-adequate-consideration

Aren't the New Huns the transferee?

[ancient hibee]

Jonjames seems to think otherwise. I assume he’s thinking Duff and Phelps would have to raise an action against Sevco to pay the £20m if they lost BDO case.
He's wrong.

[hibs0666]

Jonjames seems to think otherwise. I assume he’s thinking Duff and Phelps would have to raise an action against Sevco to pay the £20m if they lost BDO case.

He's a slavering idiot.

[steakbake]

Funny, even if there was a whiff that the BDO situation might cause a problem for Sevco, we'd soon be hearing that they are not the same club.

[greenginger]

Funny, even if there was a whiff that the BDO situation might cause a problem for Sevco, we'd soon be hearing that they are not the same club.



Everyone knows they are not the same Club, except themselves.

The point is they ( Sevco ) were allowed to purchase assets at a gross under-valuation and I'm sure the dodgy dealing before D&P were appointed will be brought to the courts attention.

Keeping an existing company ( Rangers 1872 ) in business could have excused some of the D&P dealings, but after HMRC killed off that Club/Company, the only imperative should have been getting maximum return for the creditors.

Starting a new club and business was not part of an administrators remit.

But how BDO can accuse another insolvency practice of corruption is beyond me. Pots calling kettles black !

[CropleyWasGod]

http://www.morton-fraser.com/knowledge-hub/gratuitous-alienations-and-adequate-consideration

Aren't the New Huns the transferee?
The new company aren't being sued, though.

Way back a few hundred pages ago, the possibility of the new company having to stump up the actual value of the assets was discussed. It was Cav who suggested that the PII of the administrators would pay.

That fits in with what BDO have now done.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Jonjames seems to think otherwise. I assume he’s thinking Duff and Phelps would have to raise an action against Sevco to pay the £20m if they lost BDO case.
JJ doesn't understand PII 😊

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[Slavoj Zizek]

Just noticed this in the Daily Ranger. An article about the best selling replica tops in Scotland and a survey of over 500 retailers found that ".. [The] Rangers tops, aren’t shifting full stop..." Pleasing. Here's the link: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/most-popular-replica-kits-scotlands-9785066

[HoboHarry]

JJ doesn't understand PII 😊

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I do - its 3.14159

:wink:

[greenginger]

I do - its 3.14159

:wink:


That's only 5 decimal places.

This is Hibs.net, we need a bit more rigor.


http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/1000000

:greengrin

[fat freddy]

He's a slavering idiot.

But hes a funny slavering idiot, I go to his site every morning to see his latest plea for donations. He now claims that hes had to flee the country to a destination which cant be revealed, apparantly he is the victim of a contract maiming and his life is in danger, he says that money has been offered to pour acid in his eyes and chop his fingers off. He jumped on a plane and is hiding out somewhere exotic but hes skint and no one donates. No doubt that the guy has inside info as he hits the nail on many occasions but i have a feeling he lives in a tower block in East Kilbride and he dines out on bar lunches while taking calls from his brother in law who is married to a directors sister and has a loose tongue

[JackLadd]

Sounds a bit fanciful that the huns have squads after him but then you recall Lennon was seriously assaulted by two huns in a street, the bullets in post death threats he received and Tykecastle attack incident. The huns must have even more venom on him as he claims to be an ex fan that bought IPO shares. I don't think he's a fraud on that, for one he was pro Brexit and is firmly anti SNP, highly unusual positions for a Celtic supporter, plus he's clearly educated and informed way beyond any Celtic blogger, maybe with the exception of the late Paul McConville. The dude does sound a bit off, or in a spot, but he has done some real damage to King, Sevco and exposed SFA corruption especially. He's also posted two very critical blogs on the McCann's regards the Maddy case, again no Celtic minded blogger would rock that boat. 10m hits on his blog speaks for itself. I haven't donated but I don't rule it out.

[HoboHarry]

That's only 5 decimal places.

This is Hibs.net, we need a bit more rigor.


http://www.eveandersson.com/pi/digits/1000000

:greengrin
That's no Pi ya daftie - that's what my wife wants for a divorce settlement.......

[HFCdeb]

Warburton has resigned according to Talk Sport.

[Bostonhibby]

JJ doesn't understand PII 😊

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It's a PI claim subject to usual limits and deductibles so long as cover arranged and not voidable.

[portohibee]

Thanks for the best day out in my life time breadman

https://youtu.be/kBksfB-x_14

[Bostonhibby]

Warburton has resigned according to Talk Sport.
Are they keeping the hat or does it go with him?

[Deansy]

An incredibly funny and hilarious night just gets even better -

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/topic/304325-friend-of-a-friend-etc/

'Anyway mate who knows a guy who's dad works for the club in the youth setup says his dad has mentioned administration.
Happy to pm mods with a name and I'm not one to make up ***** unless in the ot'

Lets all pray ...................... it comes true !!!

[Ozyhibby]

An incredibly funnt and hilarious night gets even better -

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/topic/304325-friend-of-a-friend-etc/

'Anyway mate who knows a guy who's dad works for the club in the youth setup says his dad has mentioned administration.
Happy to pm mods with a name and I'm not one to make up ***** unless in the ot'

Lets all pray ...................... it comes true !!!

The people posting seem trusted as well. Interesting.


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[GreenLake]

Can't see that the BDO action will have any effect on the Rangers accounts, or their financial situation.

The claim is against D&P. If it succeeds, it will probably be met by their PII.

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I was thinking P2 as in the masonic lodge

[silverhibee]

Is this why Kenny Miller isn't getting a new contract, nae money and The The Rangers going down the tubes again.

[Is It On....]

The liquidation of the old company has got very little to do with the financial situation of the new one.

Charges were brought against the D&P guys, but dropped. I've always suspected, though, that new ones would be brought if BDO asked the right questions ....which they have been doing for months now. Depending on the outcome of the civil Case, we might see more criminal charges.

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Criminal charges...oh yes please.

[Thecat23]

Is this why Kenny Miller isn't getting a new contract, nae money and The The Rangers going down the tubes again.

🤔

[JackLadd]

Is this why Kenny Miller isn't getting a new contract, nae money and The The Rangers going down the tubes again.


New contract for a key player means a signing on fee, the only deduction can be Sevco can't afford to give him anything.This Warburton 'resignation' fiasco surely confirms that.

[northstandhibby]

The liquidation of the old company has got very little to do with the financial situation of the new one.

Charges were brought against the D&P guys, but dropped. I've always suspected, though, that new ones would be brought if BDO asked the right questions ....which they have been doing for months now. Depending on the outcome of the civil Case, we might see more criminal charges.

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What do you mean by that? Either it has or it hasn't surely?

glory glory

[silverhibee]

🤔

Here you, bigger smiley's eh, can't even see that with the gregory's on. :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

What do you mean by that? Either it has or it hasn't surely?

glory glory
Without hearing all of the evidence, one can't be certain about that. For example, it might clarify the exact nature (and valuation) of the amount that the new company paid for the goodwill of the old club.

(Insert stirring smiley)

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[northstandhibby]

Without hearing all of the evidence, one can't be certain about that. For example, it might clarify the exact nature (and valuation) of the amount that the new company paid for the goodwill of the old club.

(Insert stirring smiley)

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:agree:

I would certainly agree with what you say.

glory glory

[Haymaker]

🤔

Oh you naughty boy

[CropleyWasGod]

Criminal charges...oh yes please.
There already have been. Most were dropped.

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[HoboHarry]

There already have been. Most were dropped.

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Ferkin killjoy....

:greengrin

[BigKev]

Looks like they deleted the thread 😢😂

[Ozyhibby]

Looks like they deleted the thread [emoji22][emoji23]

That's disappointing, whether it's true or not, it fair had them worrying on there and that is always enjoyable to witness.


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[The Falcon]

Is this why Kenny Miller isn't getting a new contract, nae money and The The Rangers going down the tubes again.

If admin is a possibility, and it's an if, now would be the time to do it. Only downside might be they might lose out on a UEFA cup place depending on the points deduction. A few potential pitfalls but these should be easily bypassed iif previous events are anything to go by.

[Ozyhibby]

If admin is a possibility, and it's an if, now would be the time to do it. Only downside might be they might lose out on a UEFA cup place depending on the points deduction. A few potential pitfalls but these should be easily bypassed iif previous events are anything to go by.

Depending on FFP rules they may not have a UEFA place to lose.


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[Keith_M]

If admin is a possibility, and it's an if, now would be the time to do it. Only downside might be they might lose out on a UEFA cup place depending on the points deduction. A few potential pitfalls but these should be easily bypassed iif previous events are anything to go by.



Administration is a useful tool for unscrupulous companies to shed debt.

I'm not sure The Rangers have any debt to shed and can't see how it would solve any of their other issues, such as needing tens of millions to catch up with Celtc and to repair the Stadium.


The only thing that could help them is a move to the cash rich English Leagues, which doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

[Onion]

Administration is a useful tool for unscrupulous companies to shed debt.

I'm not sure The Rangers have any debt to shed and can't see how it would solve any of their other issues, such as needing tens of millions to catch up with Celtc and to repair the Stadium.


The only thing that could help them is a move to the cash rich English Leagues, which doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

Or find a sugar daddy with £30 mill to invest :wink: Nope, if competing with Celtic is still the bar for success, they are completely goosed.

[Joe6-2]

This and the Fannies Hat fiasco, is brilliant entertainment!

[Ozyhibby]

Administration is a useful tool for unscrupulous companies to shed debt.

I'm not sure The Rangers have any debt to shed and can't see how it would solve any of their other issues, such as needing tens of millions to catch up with Celtc and to repair the Stadium.


The only thing that could help them is a move to the cash rich English Leagues, which doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

I think admin will come from good old fashioned running out of money and not part of any grand plan. The idiots running Sevco are just not that smart.


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[The Falcon]

Administration is a useful tool for unscrupulous companies to shed debt.

I'm not sure The Rangers have any debt to shed and can't see how it would solve any of their other issues, such as needing tens of millions to catch up with Celtc and to repair the Stadium.


The only thing that could help them is a move to the cash rich English Leagues, which doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

I agree with most of that (and the UEFA place comment) but wonder about the possibility of extracting themselves from the Ashley contract and his involvement?

If they were considering admin as a possibility then now, 27 points behind Celtic and 25 ahead of ICT (new club/old club deductions? and 12 games to play), would seem as good a time as any.

They may, however, have no intentions in that direction.

[CropleyWasGod]

I agree with most of that (and the UEFA place comment) but wonder about the possibility of extracting themselves from the Ashley contract and his involvement?

If they were considering admin as a possibility then now, 27 points behind Celtic and 25 ahead of ICT (new club/old club deductions? and 12 games to play), would seem as good a time as any.

They may, however, have no intentions in that direction.
If they wait a couple of weeks, it will only be a 15 point deduction .

But they probably wouldn't get out of the contracts.

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[southsider]

If they wait a couple of weeks, it will only be a 15 point deduction .

But they probably wouldn't get out of the contracts.

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Is 2nd admin not 25 ?

[Jack Hackett]

Is 2nd admin not 25 ?

Only if within 5 years...which is due to end.

[southsider]

Only if within 5 years...which is due to end.
Cheers.

[Is It On....]

Or find a sugar daddy with £30 mill to invest :wink: Nope, if competing with Celtic is still the bar for success, they are completely goosed.

(One of) the fundamental problems they have is the size of the ground. Celtic can average 10,000 per home game more which means 19 home games x min £25 avg ticket x 10,000 = £4.75m extra per year. Therefore Disco Dave's £30m investment is required to catch up (hmmmm) and will be gone in 6 years..and then normal service is resumed. Bit like ER and the PBS though on a much bigger scale 🙂

[Ozyhibby]

(One of) the fundamental problems they have is the size of the ground. Celtic can average 10,000 per home game more which means 19 home games x min £25 avg ticket x 10,000 = £4.75m extra per year. Therefore Disco Dave's £30m investment is required to catch up (hmmmm) and will be gone in 6 years..and then normal service is resumed. Bit like ER and the PBS though on a much bigger scale [emoji846]

And that doesn't take into account Celtic have £19m in the bank and no debt and Sevco have zero in the bank and £15m debt.
Then you have the potential sale of Dembele which looks to be £20m and Tierney (£15m) compared with Barrie Mackay (£6m [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]).
On top of that, Celtic make about £5m a year on merchandising and Rangers make zero and will continue with that for the next 6 years.
And of course Celtic have Champions league income. Say it's every two years and that still works out at an extra £15m a year.
To turn this around is going to take a lot more than £30m and it has to happen quickly or the gap will become wider as the Sevconians will not accept being Espanyol to Celtics Barca and will just stop attending games.



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[Keith_M]

(One of) the fundamental problems they have is the size of the ground. Celtic can average 10,000 per home game more which means 19 home games x min £25 avg ticket x 10,000 = £4.75m extra per year. Therefore Disco Dave's £30m investment is required to catch up (hmmmm) and will be gone in 6 years..and then normal service is resumed. Bit like ER and the PBS though on a much bigger scale 🙂


That's no problem, David Murray announced plans to increase the size of the stadium to circa 60,000...


http://i13.tinypic.com/4uw26xj.jpg

[Ozyhibby]

http://mattleslie74.weebly.com/blog/for-kings-transparency-read-confusion



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[Keith_M]

http://mattleslie74.weebly.com/blog/for-kings-transparency-read-confusion



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Did you really have to post a link to that site, given the photo at the top?

[Ozyhibby]

Did you really have to post a link to that site, given the photo at the top?

Apologies, I hadn't even noticed it. [emoji3]


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[Is It On....]

Is 2nd admin not 25 ?

2nd admin is only if the original club was not liquidated.. interesting predicament for ra peepul

[Radium]

Statement on the Warburton farce has the following snippet, is it all loans?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170211/2ec25e766255c250e548b6a7125bba1e.jpg


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[Ozyhibby]

Statement on the Warburton farce has the following snippet, is it all loans?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170211/2ec25e766255c250e548b6a7125bba1e.jpg


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It certainly is all loans and it is nowhere near enough.


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[grunt]

Full R*ngers statement here: https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/statement-dave-king/

I see it is titled as "statement from Dave King" and it's got a 2016 Copyright.
Does that apply in 2017?

I think it can be summarised as, "it is all Warburton's fault".

[greenginger]

Full R*ngers statement here: https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/statement-dave-king/

I see it is titled as "statement from Dave King" and it's got a 2016 Copyright.
Does that apply in 2017?


That the unfit and improper bloke who the SFA black-balled so he only has a position with the Sevco holding company ?

[Billy Whizz]

Full R*ngers statement here: https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/statement-dave-king/

I see it is titled as "statement from Dave King" and it's got a 2016 Copyright.
Does that apply in 2017?

I think it can be summarised as, "it is all Warburton's fault".

So if is he saying they resigned on Monday, why did it only come out last night? Something isn't right here

[Joe6-2]

So if is he saying they resigned on Monday, why did it only come out last night? Something isn't right here

That's for sure, no surprise tho!

[silverhibee]

So if is he saying they resigned on Monday, why did it only come out last night? Something isn't right here

:agree:

Why was he allowed to do the press on Thursday, where he was saying he had just spoke with Wattie Smith and got good advice from him.

Something stinks.

[Billy Whizz]

:agree:

Why was he allowed to do the press on Thursday, where he was saying he had just spoke with Wattie Smith and got good advice from him.

Something stinks.

He denied the stories that McParland was leaving as well

It's just another bizarre twist in the story of The Rangers

[Dashing Bob S]

:agree:

Why was he allowed to do the press on Thursday, where he was saying he had just spoke with Wattie Smith and got good advice from him.

Something stinks.

My money is on Ibrox.

[JackLadd]

So if is he saying they resigned on Monday, why did it only come out last night? Something isn't right here


And why did Warburton take the press sitting on Thursday if he'd reigned with immediate effect on Monday? How does that work? What manager resigns from a job and waives substantial contract compensation when they don't have another offer officially in writing? I assume the Forest deal collapsed at the last minute says King. We can assume he has something in writing that Warburton relinquished his duties as manager. If not he owes him full contractual severance. Who would work for a snake like King after this stunt? Only a guy out the game like Davies.

[Since90+2]

Warburton took training on Friday yet they claim his employment was terminated immediately on Monday?

[Keith_M]

Apologies, I hadn't even noticed it. [emoji3]




:tsk tsk:

[silverhibee]

He denied the stories that McParland was leaving as well

It's just another bizarre twist in the story of The Rangers


Do the press/media not have the balls to ask the obvious questions from that statement.

[Keith_M]

King made a promise that 50 million would be invested into the club, 30 million of which would be his money.


The truth is that 18 million has been loaned to the club, the majority of which came from people other than King.



He's still a glib and shameless liar.

[Seveno]

So if is he saying they resigned on Monday, why did it only come out last night? Something isn't right here

I see that last season was 'an unqualified success'. Did I just dream 21 May 2016?

[CropleyWasGod]

2nd admin is only if the original club was not liquidated.. interesting predicament for ra peepul
That's not the case.

The 25 point penalty applies if there's a second event within 5 years, irrespective of who the owners of the club are.

The 5 years expires next week.

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[northstandhibby]

That's not the case.

The 25 point penalty applies if there's a second event within 5 years, irrespective of who the new owners are.

The 5 years expires next week.

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New owners of a new club? Can't be the old club it's being liquidated.

glory glory

[truehibernian]

Do the press/media not have the balls to ask the obvious questions from that statement.

Ever heard any of them, and I mean any of them, ask questions at pressers about sectarian singing or bigotry SH ?

My view on combatting it is actually confronting managers, asking them what their thoughts are - put them literally on the spot - that way the support know publically the thoughts. No one civilised agrees with it - not one journalist is brave enough to ask, not one.

Mind, Traynor would tamper with the microphones if a journalist ever took brave pills and asked such a question at a press conference.

Cant remember one 'journalist' asking Warburton or Traynor to name what players were assaulted ?

Football journalism shouldn't just be about the 90 minute game - they could make a very real difference, and in particular focus on The Rangers perpetuation of bigotry !

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170212/7cff366f0c617c6ebd1ab9fe67a20e02.jpg
Slight problem with the heating at the bottom of the marble staircase?


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[Jim44]

[/QUOTE=silverhibee;4939972]Do the press/media not have the balls to ask the obvious questions from that statement.[/QUOTE]

The muppets on FF don't like this contribution from Bill Leckie:


Another Jhourno taking a pot shot, this time its us the fans that are the target. He names King in the same breath as Whyte and Green. Not fit for purpose.

Hatchet job by Leckie

YOUR fully-fledged, true blue Rangers fan is amongst the most unshakeably loyal creatures on earth.

It’s just a pity that loyalty is as blind as Stevie Wonder with a lead-lined paper bag on his head

Rangers fans
They’re like the guy whose mates tell him from day one of a relationship that she’s no good, she’s a gold-digger, she’s putting it about behind his back, but he would rather square go the lot of them than admit he’s besotted with a wrong ‘un.

Keep up to date with ALL the latest news, transfers and goals from Scottish football plus fixtures, results and live match commentary

Then one day it all falls apart, she disappears with his brother and he’s left sitting on the floor of a living room with no furniture, the credit card company battering at his door and an unbearable itch in his pants.

Again.

Not that I’m suggesting this latest messy Ibrox break-up is all the fault of those fans. Course it isn’t.

All I’m saying is that by forever being more desperate to give two fingers to the outside world than they are to point one at the glaring issues within their own walls, they’ve enabled those in charge to screw them over for the umpteenth time.

Personally, I don’t give a toss whether Dave King and his goons succeed, fail or float forever on a beige cloud of mediocrity.

I don’t care whether Mark Warburton had a magic hat or exploding underpants.

But I do care about football fans — no matter who they support and even despite how unpleasantly that support too often manifests itself — having their lifelong devotion used against them as a means of silencing any form of protest.

At Charlton Athletic, Blackburn Rovers, Coventry City and Blackpool, punters have had enough of this passive-aggression torture.

They’ve had enough of financing rank-rotten regimes. So they stay away. They ask rival fans to stay away. They use the media to raise awareness of just how bad their exiled, don’t-give-a-damn owners are, not just for their own clubs, but for the game itself.

But your Rangers fan? He just rings up a phone-in and shouts about history and culture and 54 titles and how WeArraPeepel.

He creates a caricature of himself and turns a serious problem at an endangered sporting institution into a national joke.

In truth, I tired long ago of writing about all this, because it got a bit like shouting up to a guy on the tenth floor of a blazing building that he needs to get the hell out and him shouting back:

“DON’T TELL ME THIS BUILDING’S BURNING! YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT THIS BUILDING, THIS IS OUR BUILDING, IT’S A HISTORIC BUILDING AND YOU’LL NEVER BE FIT TO BURN IN IT!”

What can you do about an attitude like that? Knowing even if they escape and the building isn’t too badly damaged, they’ll be too proud to get the smoke detectors checked so the place doesn’t catch fire again?

They got burned under David Murray, they got burned under Craig Whyte, they got burned under Charles Green and now they’re getting burned under King.

They refused to see the smoke signals until it was too late when Ally McCoist was in charge and they refused to see them when Warburton was plainly toiling.

Who knows, maybe they go back to their boozers and tear his signing policies to bits, maybe they go home and kick Albertz the dog up and down the garden, but — and here’s the crux — what those in charge can always rely on is that they’ll always come back and they’ll always stump up their cash and they’ll always, always sing No Surrender so the world knows there’s nothing to see here, please disperse.

Except the world DOES know something’s wrong, very wrong. The world can see that without the amazing numbers who kept turning up in League Two, League One and The Ramsdens Cup and who now still turn up despite seeing their greatest rivals disappear over the horizon on a golden team bus, Rangers would be nothing. Dead. Gone.

The money handed over by those ever-loyal hordes allowed Whyte, Green and McCoist to make an almighty rick of getting back up through the divisions and it has allowed King and Warburton to put together a gang of overpaid, overvalued, underachieving mercenaries in the top flight.

See the link there, Bluenoses? Without your money, your £800,000 at the gate every other Saturday plus pies and programmes and whatever else — even with the THREAT of those fortunes drying up — none of these imposters could have operated.

If only you knew the power you had. It’s greater than just about any other major club, because if Man U or Liverpool or Arsenal fans stayed away they’d still have their £100million a skull from Sky and they could market themselves up new pretendy fans.

But you don’t get it. You think strength comes from roaring defiance at everyone outside Govan, from constantly reminding everyone Whit Ye Ur and what you stand for.

Well all I can say is, how you stand for the mess that club has become is way beyond most of us

I mean, Barton? Senderos? Hill? Kiernan? Kranjcar? Who’s kidding who? Between them, they’ll have soaked up the first 4,000 admission fees every week.

That money was meant to get Rangers off their knees, give them a future, not to build a time machine back to the era of idiotic spending that brought them down in the first place.

Truth is, with a squad full of guys who have no re-sale value and whose best years are long behind them, Rangers have turned back into everything they were under David Murray, except a Poundland version.

And if anyone is daft enough to argue the toss about that, think on this.

Moussa Dembele cost Celtic £500,000, has scored 26 goals in 40 and is now valued at £40million, a fortune they can afford to turn down.

Joe Garner cost £1.8million, has three in 15 and might make the next gaffer £500,000 back if he cuts his losses.

That’s it. That’s the story, right there. Forget all your boardroom politics and management double-talk, that’s the bottom line.

[Hibs Class]

[/QUOTE=silverhibee;4939972]Do the press/media not have the balls to ask the obvious questions from that statement.
The muppets on FF don't like this contribution from Bill Leckie:


Another Jhourno taking a pot shot, this time its us the fans that are the target. He names King in the same breath as Whyte and Green. Not fit for purpose.
.[/B]

They don't realise that by not liking it they are only proving him right!

[jacomo]

The MSM has woken up to Dave King and his dead-eyed scam.

Will the peepul though?

[Smartie]

Leckie is bang on the money and "re peepul" would do well to listen to him.

With Keith Jackson having now broken ranks though, it is starting to get interesting.

More popcorn required.

[JimBHibees]

Couldnt agree more with Bill Leckies comments absolutely spot on IMO. Albertz the dog :faf::faf:

[tamig]

What will the fat Traynor think of all this?

[JimBHibees]

Leckie is bang on the money and "re peepul" would do well to listen to him.

With Keith Jackson having now broken ranks though, it is starting to get interesting.

More popcorn required.

You can be sure Jackson will be saying what he is told to by Jabba.

[HoboHarry]

The Clumpany has a pretty funny take on last weeks events........

https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/a-confusing-week/

[Jack Hackett]

What will the fat Traynor think of all this?

The fat Traynor never thinks, he reacts...usually in the same manner as his target audience.

Super piece from Leckie btw

[JackLadd]

Amusing piece and highly accurate, unlike any RIFC statement from Je Suis Graham/Traynor/King. I'll be amazed if there is not a Sevco insolvency event before the season finishes. Just the 3m to find, plus Ashley's case and the Hat's pay off. A bare min of 5m.

[Ronniekirk]

Think its clear both parties wanted a Parting of the ways Bit farcical the way it has unfolded but King has been Ruthless and nodoubt behind closed doors a settlement figure will be reached
Alex Mceish appeared overly keen on T V talking the Job up and his chances of getting it ( quoting the Bookies have me favourite ) However he maintained he hadnt yet been approached
Be intetesting to see how that pans out

[HoboHarry]

Think its clear both parties wanted a Parting of the ways Bit farcical the way it has unfolded but King has been Ruthless and nodoubt behind closed doors a settlement figure will be reached
Alex Mceish appeared overly keen on T V talking the Job up and his chances of getting it ( quoting the Bookies have me favourite ) However he maintained he hadnt yet been approached
Be intetesting to see how that pans out
I will be genuinely surprised if they appoint a big name, or in the event that they do it will be a short term contract to avoid any possible major financial loss.

[O'Rourke3]

Think its clear both parties wanted a Parting of the ways Bit farcical the way it has unfolded but King has been Ruthless and nodoubt behind closed doors a settlement figure will be reached
Alex Mceish appeared overly keen on T V talking the Job up and his chances of getting it ( quoting the Bookies have me favourite ) However he maintained he hadnt yet been approached
Be intetesting to see how that pans out


He'd get the job a lot quicker hanging around in the club shop - but they don't exist anymore. Wonder what he'll do now....

[Jim44]

The fat Traynor never thinks, he reacts...usually in the same manner as his target audience.

Super piece from Leckie btw

Will Leckie become the new Chris McLaughlin?

[Is It On....]

That's not the case.

The 25 point penalty applies if there's a second event within 5 years, irrespective of who the owners of the club are.

The 5 years expires next week.

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I thought as they are a new entity (not according to the SFA) with new owners then they would be in the clear (to shaft everyone again). Anyway, in the event of administration, can debt holders force a debt for equity swap? As this would be a neat way for Disco Dave and the Three Bears to take complete control by converting their loans into equity and get rid of the Mike Ashley / minority shareholding problem.

[Bostonhibby]

The fat Traynor never thinks, he reacts...usually in the same manner as his target audience.

Super piece from Leckie btw
Spot on. When the average the hun wakes up to the latest reality they will have forgotten that Traynor and those like him were the ones that ushered in the present scam the huns are once again paying for and were equally culpable for the hype that surrounded their previous saviours.

As leckie brilliantly says, if the only ones that can't see it is the throwbacks who pay for it then the rest of us should sit back and laugh.

[northstandhibby]

The Clumpany has a pretty funny take on last weeks events........

https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/a-confusing-week/

Very good indeed. The hat wouldn't have knowing what day it was last week.

:greengrin

glory glory

[Deansy]

[/QUOTE=silverhibee;4939972]Do the press/media not have the balls to ask the obvious questions from that statement.

The muppets on FF don't like this contribution from Bill Leckie:


Another Jhourno taking a pot shot, this time its us the fans that are the target. He names King in the same breath as Whyte and Green. Not fit for purpose.

Hatchet job by Leckie

YOUR fully-fledged, true blue Rangers fan is amongst the most unshakeably loyal creatures on earth.

It’s just a pity that loyalty is as blind as Stevie Wonder with a lead-lined paper bag on his head

Rangers fans
They’re like the guy whose mates tell him from day one of a relationship that she’s no good, she’s a gold-digger, she’s putting it about behind his back, but he would rather square go the lot of them than admit he’s besotted with a wrong ‘un.

Keep up to date with ALL the latest news, transfers and goals from Scottish football plus fixtures, results and live match commentary

Then one day it all falls apart, she disappears with his brother and he’s left sitting on the floor of a living room with no furniture, the credit card company battering at his door and an unbearable itch in his pants.

Again.

Not that I’m suggesting this latest messy Ibrox break-up is all the fault of those fans. Course it isn’t.

All I’m saying is that by forever being more desperate to give two fingers to the outside world than they are to point one at the glaring issues within their own walls, they’ve enabled those in charge to screw them over for the umpteenth time.

Personally, I don’t give a toss whether Dave King and his goons succeed, fail or float forever on a beige cloud of mediocrity.

I don’t care whether Mark Warburton had a magic hat or exploding underpants.

But I do care about football fans — no matter who they support and even despite how unpleasantly that support too often manifests itself — having their lifelong devotion used against them as a means of silencing any form of protest.

At Charlton Athletic, Blackburn Rovers, Coventry City and Blackpool, punters have had enough of this passive-aggression torture.

They’ve had enough of financing rank-rotten regimes. So they stay away. They ask rival fans to stay away. They use the media to raise awareness of just how bad their exiled, don’t-give-a-damn owners are, not just for their own clubs, but for the game itself.

But your Rangers fan? He just rings up a phone-in and shouts about history and culture and 54 titles and how WeArraPeepel.

He creates a caricature of himself and turns a serious problem at an endangered sporting institution into a national joke.

In truth, I tired long ago of writing about all this, because it got a bit like shouting up to a guy on the tenth floor of a blazing building that he needs to get the hell out and him shouting back:

“DON’T TELL ME THIS BUILDING’S BURNING! YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT THIS BUILDING, THIS IS OUR BUILDING, IT’S A HISTORIC BUILDING AND YOU’LL NEVER BE FIT TO BURN IN IT!”

What can you do about an attitude like that? Knowing even if they escape and the building isn’t too badly damaged, they’ll be too proud to get the smoke detectors checked so the place doesn’t catch fire again?

They got burned under David Murray, they got burned under Craig Whyte, they got burned under Charles Green and now they’re getting burned under King.

They refused to see the smoke signals until it was too late when Ally McCoist was in charge and they refused to see them when Warburton was plainly toiling.

Who knows, maybe they go back to their boozers and tear his signing policies to bits, maybe they go home and kick Albertz the dog up and down the garden, but — and here’s the crux — what those in charge can always rely on is that they’ll always come back and they’ll always stump up their cash and they’ll always, always sing No Surrender so the world knows there’s nothing to see here, please disperse.

Except the world DOES know something’s wrong, very wrong. The world can see that without the amazing numbers who kept turning up in League Two, League One and The Ramsdens Cup and who now still turn up despite seeing their greatest rivals disappear over the horizon on a golden team bus, Rangers would be nothing. Dead. Gone.

The money handed over by those ever-loyal hordes allowed Whyte, Green and McCoist to make an almighty rick of getting back up through the divisions and it has allowed King and Warburton to put together a gang of overpaid, overvalued, underachieving mercenaries in the top flight.

See the link there, Bluenoses? Without your money, your £800,000 at the gate every other Saturday plus pies and programmes and whatever else — even with the THREAT of those fortunes drying up — none of these imposters could have operated.

If only you knew the power you had. It’s greater than just about any other major club, because if Man U or Liverpool or Arsenal fans stayed away they’d still have their £100million a skull from Sky and they could market themselves up new pretendy fans.

But you don’t get it. You think strength comes from roaring defiance at everyone outside Govan, from constantly reminding everyone Whit Ye Ur and what you stand for.

Well all I can say is, how you stand for the mess that club has become is way beyond most of us

I mean, Barton? Senderos? Hill? Kiernan? Kranjcar? Who’s kidding who? Between them, they’ll have soaked up the first 4,000 admission fees every week.

That money was meant to get Rangers off their knees, give them a future, not to build a time machine back to the era of idiotic spending that brought them down in the first place.

Truth is, with a squad full of guys who have no re-sale value and whose best years are long behind them, Rangers have turned back into everything they were under David Murray, except a Poundland version.

And if anyone is daft enough to argue the toss about that, think on this.

Moussa Dembele cost Celtic £500,000, has scored 26 goals in 40 and is now valued at £40million, a fortune they can afford to turn down.

Joe Garner cost £1.8million, has three in 15 and might make the next gaffer £500,000 back if he cuts his losses.

That’s it. That’s the story, right there. Forget all your boardroom politics and management double-talk, that’s the bottom line.[/QUOTE]

' The world can see that without the amazing numbers who kept turning up in League Two, League One and The Ramsdens Cup and who now still turn up despite seeing their greatest rivals disappear over the horizon on a golden team bus, Rangers would be nothing. Dead. Gone'

The 'amazing numbers' are due to the fact that your average Hun isn't bright enough to understand it was through cheating under Murray that they were 'successful' and imagined that when they got to the SPL they had a serious chance of winning it !. Watch their crowds next season when they go this one trophyless !

[Hibernia&Alba]

And Leckie is a hardcore Hun tae boot. The 'jhourno' patter doesn't hold water.

[silverhibee]

[/QUOTE=silverhibee;4939972]Do the press/media not have the balls to ask the obvious questions from that statement.

The muppets on FF don't like this contribution from Bill Leckie:


Another Jhourno taking a pot shot, this time its us the fans that are the target. He names King in the same breath as Whyte and Green. Not fit for purpose.

Hatchet job by Leckie

YOUR fully-fledged, true blue Rangers fan is amongst the most unshakeably loyal creatures on earth.

It’s just a pity that loyalty is as blind as Stevie Wonder with a lead-lined paper bag on his head

Rangers fans
They’re like the guy whose mates tell him from day one of a relationship that she’s no good, she’s a gold-digger, she’s putting it about behind his back, but he would rather square go the lot of them than admit he’s besotted with a wrong ‘un.

Keep up to date with ALL the latest news, transfers and goals from Scottish football plus fixtures, results and live match commentary

Then one day it all falls apart, she disappears with his brother and he’s left sitting on the floor of a living room with no furniture, the credit card company battering at his door and an unbearable itch in his pants.

Again.

Not that I’m suggesting this latest messy Ibrox break-up is all the fault of those fans. Course it isn’t.

All I’m saying is that by forever being more desperate to give two fingers to the outside world than they are to point one at the glaring issues within their own walls, they’ve enabled those in charge to screw them over for the umpteenth time.

Personally, I don’t give a toss whether Dave King and his goons succeed, fail or float forever on a beige cloud of mediocrity.

I don’t care whether Mark Warburton had a magic hat or exploding underpants.

But I do care about football fans — no matter who they support and even despite how unpleasantly that support too often manifests itself — having their lifelong devotion used against them as a means of silencing any form of protest.

At Charlton Athletic, Blackburn Rovers, Coventry City and Blackpool, punters have had enough of this passive-aggression torture.

They’ve had enough of financing rank-rotten regimes. So they stay away. They ask rival fans to stay away. They use the media to raise awareness of just how bad their exiled, don’t-give-a-damn owners are, not just for their own clubs, but for the game itself.

But your Rangers fan? He just rings up a phone-in and shouts about history and culture and 54 titles and how WeArraPeepel.

He creates a caricature of himself and turns a serious problem at an endangered sporting institution into a national joke.

In truth, I tired long ago of writing about all this, because it got a bit like shouting up to a guy on the tenth floor of a blazing building that he needs to get the hell out and him shouting back:

“DON’T TELL ME THIS BUILDING’S BURNING! YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT THIS BUILDING, THIS IS OUR BUILDING, IT’S A HISTORIC BUILDING AND YOU’LL NEVER BE FIT TO BURN IN IT!”

What can you do about an attitude like that? Knowing even if they escape and the building isn’t too badly damaged, they’ll be too proud to get the smoke detectors checked so the place doesn’t catch fire again?

They got burned under David Murray, they got burned under Craig Whyte, they got burned under Charles Green and now they’re getting burned under King.

They refused to see the smoke signals until it was too late when Ally McCoist was in charge and they refused to see them when Warburton was plainly toiling.

Who knows, maybe they go back to their boozers and tear his signing policies to bits, maybe they go home and kick Albertz the dog up and down the garden, but — and here’s the crux — what those in charge can always rely on is that they’ll always come back and they’ll always stump up their cash and they’ll always, always sing No Surrender so the world knows there’s nothing to see here, please disperse.

Except the world DOES know something’s wrong, very wrong. The world can see that without the amazing numbers who kept turning up in League Two, League One and The Ramsdens Cup and who now still turn up despite seeing their greatest rivals disappear over the horizon on a golden team bus, Rangers would be nothing. Dead. Gone.

The money handed over by those ever-loyal hordes allowed Whyte, Green and McCoist to make an almighty rick of getting back up through the divisions and it has allowed King and Warburton to put together a gang of overpaid, overvalued, underachieving mercenaries in the top flight.

See the link there, Bluenoses? Without your money, your £800,000 at the gate every other Saturday plus pies and programmes and whatever else — even with the THREAT of those fortunes drying up — none of these imposters could have operated.

If only you knew the power you had. It’s greater than just about any other major club, because if Man U or Liverpool or Arsenal fans stayed away they’d still have their £100million a skull from Sky and they could market themselves up new pretendy fans.

But you don’t get it. You think strength comes from roaring defiance at everyone outside Govan, from constantly reminding everyone Whit Ye Ur and what you stand for.

Well all I can say is, how you stand for the mess that club has become is way beyond most of us

I mean, Barton? Senderos? Hill? Kiernan? Kranjcar? Who’s kidding who? Between them, they’ll have soaked up the first 4,000 admission fees every week.

That money was meant to get Rangers off their knees, give them a future, not to build a time machine back to the era of idiotic spending that brought them down in the first place.

Truth is, with a squad full of guys who have no re-sale value and whose best years are long behind them, Rangers have turned back into everything they were under David Murray, except a Poundland version.

And if anyone is daft enough to argue the toss about that, think on this.

Moussa Dembele cost Celtic £500,000, has scored 26 goals in 40 and is now valued at £40million, a fortune they can afford to turn down.

Joe Garner cost £1.8million, has three in 15 and might make the next gaffer £500,000 back if he cuts his losses.

That’s it. That’s the story, right there. Forget all your boardroom politics and management double-talk, that’s the bottom line.[/QUOTE]


Good piece from BL, about time the press started calling out the big yins in the big hoose.

No sympathy for there fans though, they deserve all the s**t as well.

[Green Man]

That's a great piece from Leckie. I'd forgotten about Kranjcar.

[magpie1892]

And Leckie is a hardcore Hun tae boot.

He's no hun. He supports St Mirren, and not in a 'pretendy Chick Dung' way.

The piece is very mild compared to what he could have written but that's in his personality (he's OK, but there's more than a bit of 'I'm everybody's mate' about him) and also in the editorial direction (don't annoy the hun too much).

[Joe6-2]

He's no hun. He supports St Mirren, and not in a 'pretendy Chick Dung' way.

The piece is very mild compared to what he could have written but that's in his personality (he's OK, but there's more than a bit of 'I'm everybody's mate' about him) and also in the editorial direction (don't annoy the hun too much).

He's probably right not to 'upset' them too much, he will get enough sh*t from them for what he has written

[brog]

Bill Leckie has been a fine journalist for a long time. I also think Kenny Millar does a decent job but unfortunately i can't ever bring myself to buy the Sun. Would be nice if they both got proper recognition at a proper paper, not that im sure what that looks like nowadays.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170214/1f2d8c7b6577eb35be17c4c82484dbbc.jpg
Plan is obviously to put someone cheap in until the end of the season and try sell the season tickets based on made up stories about top European managers arriving in the summer before appointing a cheap real Rangers man.


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[mjhibby]

John geechan in the mail is usually very subtly digging at sevco. More about the way they handle things that the financial side. I get papers free at work so usually read the football editorials and in fairness most aren't afraid to challenge what king is doing. It's only with change at the sfa will they be held to account and we know that's not going to happen. Sevco make Hertz look like a superbly run operation.

[JimBHibees]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170214/1f2d8c7b6577eb35be17c4c82484dbbc.jpg
Plan is obviously to put someone cheap in until the end of the season and try sell the season tickets based on made up stories about top European managers arriving in the summer before appointing a cheap real Rangers man.


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This will be the same Frank de Boer who isn't working at the moment and the headline is based on his brother saying he won't decide his future until nearer the end of the season. Record journalism at its best. :faf::faf:

[Ozyhibby]

This will be the same Frank de Boer who isn't working at the moment and the headline is based on his brother saying he won't decide his future until nearer the end of the season. Record journalism at its best. :faf::faf:

And probably thinks Scotland is a tax haven.


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[Jpdhfc]

The muppets on FF don't like this contribution from Bill Leckie:


Another Jhourno taking a pot shot, this time its us the fans that are the target. He names King in the same breath as Whyte and Green. Not fit for purpose.

Hatchet job by Leckie

YOUR fully-fledged, true blue Rangers fan is amongst the most unshakeably loyal creatures on earth.

It’s just a pity that loyalty is as blind as Stevie Wonder with a lead-lined paper bag on his head

Rangers fans
They’re like the guy whose mates tell him from day one of a relationship that she’s no good, she’s a gold-digger, she’s putting it about behind his back, but he would rather square go the lot of them than admit he’s besotted with a wrong ‘un.

Keep up to date with ALL the latest news, transfers and goals from Scottish football plus fixtures, results and live match commentary

Then one day it all falls apart, she disappears with his brother and he’s left sitting on the floor of a living room with no furniture, the credit card company battering at his door and an unbearable itch in his pants.

Again.

Not that I’m suggesting this latest messy Ibrox break-up is all the fault of those fans. Course it isn’t.

All I’m saying is that by forever being more desperate to give two fingers to the outside world than they are to point one at the glaring issues within their own walls, they’ve enabled those in charge to screw them over for the umpteenth time.

Personally, I don’t give a toss whether Dave King and his goons succeed, fail or float forever on a beige cloud of mediocrity.

I don’t care whether Mark Warburton had a magic hat or exploding underpants.

But I do care about football fans — no matter who they support and even despite how unpleasantly that support too often manifests itself — having their lifelong devotion used against them as a means of silencing any form of protest.

At Charlton Athletic, Blackburn Rovers, Coventry City and Blackpool, punters have had enough of this passive-aggression torture.

They’ve had enough of financing rank-rotten regimes. So they stay away. They ask rival fans to stay away. They use the media to raise awareness of just how bad their exiled, don’t-give-a-damn owners are, not just for their own clubs, but for the game itself.

But your Rangers fan? He just rings up a phone-in and shouts about history and culture and 54 titles and how WeArraPeepel.

He creates a caricature of himself and turns a serious problem at an endangered sporting institution into a national joke.

In truth, I tired long ago of writing about all this, because it got a bit like shouting up to a guy on the tenth floor of a blazing building that he needs to get the hell out and him shouting back:

“DON’T TELL ME THIS BUILDING’S BURNING! YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT THIS BUILDING, THIS IS OUR BUILDING, IT’S A HISTORIC BUILDING AND YOU’LL NEVER BE FIT TO BURN IN IT!”

What can you do about an attitude like that? Knowing even if they escape and the building isn’t too badly damaged, they’ll be too proud to get the smoke detectors checked so the place doesn’t catch fire again?

They got burned under David Murray, they got burned under Craig Whyte, they got burned under Charles Green and now they’re getting burned under King.

They refused to see the smoke signals until it was too late when Ally McCoist was in charge and they refused to see them when Warburton was plainly toiling.

Who knows, maybe they go back to their boozers and tear his signing policies to bits, maybe they go home and kick Albertz the dog up and down the garden, but — and here’s the crux — what those in charge can always rely on is that they’ll always come back and they’ll always stump up their cash and they’ll always, always sing No Surrender so the world knows there’s nothing to see here, please disperse.

Except the world DOES know something’s wrong, very wrong. The world can see that without the amazing numbers who kept turning up in League Two, League One and The Ramsdens Cup and who now still turn up despite seeing their greatest rivals disappear over the horizon on a golden team bus, Rangers would be nothing. Dead. Gone.

The money handed over by those ever-loyal hordes allowed Whyte, Green and McCoist to make an almighty rick of getting back up through the divisions and it has allowed King and Warburton to put together a gang of overpaid, overvalued, underachieving mercenaries in the top flight.

See the link there, Bluenoses? Without your money, your £800,000 at the gate every other Saturday plus pies and programmes and whatever else — even with the THREAT of those fortunes drying up — none of these imposters could have operated.

If only you knew the power you had. It’s greater than just about any other major club, because if Man U or Liverpool or Arsenal fans stayed away they’d still have their £100million a skull from Sky and they could market themselves up new pretendy fans.

But you don’t get it. You think strength comes from roaring defiance at everyone outside Govan, from constantly reminding everyone Whit Ye Ur and what you stand for.

Well all I can say is, how you stand for the mess that club has become is way beyond most of us

I mean, Barton? Senderos? Hill? Kiernan? Kranjcar? Who’s kidding who? Between them, they’ll have soaked up the first 4,000 admission fees every week.

That money was meant to get Rangers off their knees, give them a future, not to build a time machine back to the era of idiotic spending that brought them down in the first place.

Truth is, with a squad full of guys who have no re-sale value and whose best years are long behind them, Rangers have turned back into everything they were under David Murray, except a Poundland version.

And if anyone is daft enough to argue the toss about that, think on this.

Moussa Dembele cost Celtic £500,000, has scored 26 goals in 40 and is now valued at £40million, a fortune they can afford to turn down.

Joe Garner cost £1.8million, has three in 15 and might make the next gaffer £500,000 back if he cuts his losses.

That’s it. That’s the story, right there. Forget all your boardroom politics and management double-talk, that’s the bottom line.

' The world can see that without the amazing numbers who kept turning up in League Two, League One and The Ramsdens Cup and who now still turn up despite seeing their greatest rivals disappear over the horizon on a golden team bus, Rangers would be nothing. Dead. Gone'

The 'amazing numbers' are due to the fact that your average Hun isn't bright enough to understand it was through cheating under Murray that they were 'successful' and imagined that when they got to the SPL they had a serious chance of winning it !. Watch their crowds next season when they go this one trophyless ![/QUOTE]

I remember being in ibrox with 11000 there there fans will disappear when the trophies do

[HibernianJK]

John geechan in the mail is usually very subtly digging at sevco. More about the way they handle things that the financial side. I get papers free at work so usually read the football editorials and in fairness most aren't afraid to challenge what king is doing. It's only with change at the sfa will they be held to account and we know that's not going to happen. Sevco make Hertz look like a superbly run operation.

As much as I ****ing HATE Hearts, I feel they handled their Admin and financial strife with a lot more dignity than Der Hun and we can see that on the park with lack of ability compared to pre Admin. The Rangers just don't seem to have learned their lesson.

[Bill Milne]

Bill Leckie has been a fine journalist for a long time. I also think Kenny Millar does a decent job but unfortunately i can't ever bring myself to buy the Sun. Would be nice if they both got proper recognition at a proper paper, not that im sure what that looks like nowadays.

Even more so with Kenny Millar being a diehard Hibby!! I know his dad from years ago, the family hail from Campbeltown.

[tamig]

He's no hun. He supports St Mirren, and not in a 'pretendy Chick Dung' way.

The piece is very mild compared to what he could have written but that's in his personality (he's OK, but there's more than a bit of 'I'm everybody's mate' about him) and also in the editorial direction (don't annoy the hun too much).

He is indeed a proper Buddie.

[Billy Whizz]

He is indeed a proper Buddie.

I went to high school with Bill

[tamig]

I went to high school with Bill

He's a good writer and I think he tells things from a true supporter's perspective.

[JimBHibees]

And probably thinks Scotland is a tax haven.


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Indeed. :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

As much as I ****ing HATE Hearts, I feel they handled their Admin and financial strife with a lot more dignity than Der Hun and we can see that on the park with lack of ability compared to pre Admin. The Rangers just don't seem to have learned their lesson.

There is no dignity in ripping people off for millions of quid. They stole, they cheated and benefitted from the cheats charter of administration and **** knows what kind of corrupt deals were done in Lithuania to keep thei ****hole of a stadium.

Many things down Gorgie way but dignity isn't one of them.

[Jack Hackett]

There is no dignity in ripping people off for millions of quid. They stole, they cheated and benefitted from the cheats charter of administration and **** knows what kind of corrupt deals were done in Lithuania to keep thei ****hole of a stadium.

Many things down Gorgie way but dignity isn't one of them.

This...100%

[Bostonhibby]

There is no dignity in ripping people off for millions of quid. They stole, they cheated and benefitted from the cheats charter of administration and **** knows what kind of corrupt deals were done in Lithuania to keep thei ****hole of a stadium.

Many things down Gorgie way but dignity isn't one of them.
Yep, you've only got to look at their absolute indifference to the actions that caused their downfall and not a backwards glance to their victims as they celebrate their tainted cup wins.

Only difference is the now defunct Glasgow rangers couldn't find a way to fiddle the numbers and avoid liquidation but their Edinburgh based cousins did. So to that extent the Yams cheated for longer than the new boys.

[poolman]

As much as I ****ing HATE Hearts, I feel they handled their Admin and financial strife with a lot more dignity than Der Hun and we can see that on the park with lack of ability compared to pre Admin. The Rangers just don't seem to have learned their lesson.


DIGNITY, well that's one word I would never associate with that lot

[Hibs Class]

As much as I ****ing HATE Hearts, I feel they handled their Admin and financial strife with a lot more dignity than Der Hun and we can see that on the park with lack of ability compared to pre Admin. The Rangers just don't seem to have learned their lesson.

Fairer to say that the huns managed their liquidation with even less dignity than hearts handled their administration, and that overall there was very little dignity or contrition in either place, and certainly no shame from either regarding the tainted trophies won as a consequence of their cheating.

[ehf]

Yep, you've only got to look at their absolute indifference to the actions that caused their downfall and not a backwards glance to their victims as they celebrate their tainted cup wins.

Only difference is the now defunct Glasgow rangers couldn't find a way to fiddle the numbers and avoid liquidation but their Edinburgh based cousins did. So to that extent the Yams cheated for longer than the new boys.

The difference was that the Huns were unable to get a CVA because HMRC were their major creditor and were determined to take a hard line. With the Yams, the major creditor was effectively the Lithuanian Government. As Spike has alluded to, it remains a mystery how they were persuaded to write off 10s of millions and accept a pay-out that, even on a prudent estimate, was worth circa 10% of the value of the real estate asset. It is also notable that, while the Sevco saga is endlesly raked over, the great Tynecastle heist was immediately forgotten about: there must be a story there but, at the end of the day, the only real victims were the Lithuanian taxpayers...

[greenginger]

The difference was that the Huns were unable to get a CVA because HMRC were their major creditor and were determined to take a hard line. With the Yams, the major creditor was effectively the Lithuanian Government. As Spike has alluded to, it remains a mystery how they were persuaded to write off 10s of millions and accept a pay-out that, even on a prudent estimate, was worth circa 10% of the value of the real estate asset. It is also notable that, while the Sevco saga is endlesly raked over, the great Tynecastle heist was immediately forgotten about: there must be a story there but, at the end of the day, the only real victims were the Lithuanian taxpayers...


The Yam main creditor was the Ukio Bankas, a " connected creditor " whose vote should not have counted in the non-connected creditor CVA vote.

HMRC voted against the CVA and their vote should have consigned the Yams to the same fate as their Weegie cousins.

But, somehow, their administrators, BDO, forgot to have a non-connected creditor vote.

And BDO are the administrators accusing Duff and Phelps of dodgy dealing. :confused:

[Geo_1875]

The difference was that the Huns were unable to get a CVA because HMRC were their major creditor and were determined to take a hard line. With the Yams, the major creditor was effectively the Lithuanian Government. As Spike has alluded to, it remains a mystery how they were persuaded to write off 10s of millions and accept a pay-out that, even on a prudent estimate, was worth circa 10% of the value of the real estate asset. It is also notable that, while the Sevco saga is endlesly raked over, the great Tynecastle heist was immediately forgotten about: there must be a story there but, at the end of the day, the only real victims were the Lithuanian taxpayers...

And UK taxpayers and Edinburgh residents who pay their council tax and the NHS and charities and local businesses and individuals who were all bumped.

[Bostonhibby]

And UK taxpayers and Edinburgh residents who pay their council tax and the NHS and charities and local businesses and individuals who were all bumped.

Plus a special mention for Heriot Watt's generosity with someone elses money, had they not been so amenable as to neither pursue unpaid rent (which eventually was allowed to reach £145,655) or kick them out for non payment who knows what might have been discovered earlier?

Almost as accommodating as your city council over business rates. Makes you wonder.

[greenginger]

Plus a special mention for Heriot Watt's generosity with someone elses money, had they not been so amenable as to neither pursue unpaid rent (which eventually was allowed to reach £145,655) or kick them out for non payment who knows what might have been discovered earlier?

Almost as accommodating as your city council over business rates. Makes you wonder.

And our Council continues to accommodate them.

Hearts have demolished two council properties behind their asbestos stand and are starting the foundation work for the new stand on the ground , never mind that the ground has not yet been bought by Hearts.

Seems they are still haggling over the price although they've been offered it at a value about 1/10th of what had been agreed with Vlad back in 2008.

Our Council must have so much cash to spare they can give away our assets.

[Bostonhibby]

And our Council continues to accommodate them.

Hearts have demolished two council properties behind their asbestos stand and are starting the foundation work for the new stand on the ground , never mind that the ground has not yet been bought by Hearts.

Seems they are still haggling over the price although they've been offered it at a value about 1/10th of what had been agreed with Vlad back in 2008.

Our Council must have so much cash to spare they can give away our assets.
Sometimes you get what you vote for[emoji6]

As an observer, over the years it does appear that the relationship between the two organisations shows more and more disregard for everyone else because they've got used to not being exposed. What a waste of council tax payers assets

[HoboHarry]

And our Council continues to accommodate them.

Hearts have demolished two council properties behind their asbestos stand and are starting the foundation work for the new stand on the ground , never mind that the ground has not yet been bought by Hearts.

Seems they are still haggling over the price although they've been offered it at a value about 1/10th of what had been agreed with Vlad back in 2008.

Our Council must have so much cash to spare they can give away our assets.
Have you raised this with someone with a Parliamentary position?

[greenginger]

Have you raised this with someone with a Parliamentary position?


I got to speak with someone from the Upper House.

Lord Foooks or something like that.

Couldn't make out a word he was saying. Sounded pi$hed to me and it was 11.00 in the morning :greengrin

[GreenLake]

As much as I ****ing HATE Hearts, I feel they handled their Admin and financial strife with a lot more dignity than Der Hun and we can see that on the park with lack of ability compared to pre Admin. The Rangers just don't seem to have learned their lesson.

A bit like saying Kim Jong Il handled his rule with more dignity than Stalin.

[GreenLake]

And our Council continues to accommodate them.

Hearts have demolished two council properties behind their asbestos stand and are starting the foundation work for the new stand on the ground , never mind that the ground has not yet been bought by Hearts.

Seems they are still haggling over the price although they've been offered it at a value about 1/10th of what had been agreed with Vlad back in 2008.

Our Council must have so much cash to spare they can give away our assets.

EUFA ought to investigate this as clubs are not supposed to get help via public funding.

[Ozyhibby]

EUFA ought to investigate this as clubs are not supposed to get help via public funding.

You need evidence and so far there hasn't been any.


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[Deansy]

The Yam main creditor was the Ukio Bankas, a " connected creditor " whose vote should not have counted in the non-connected creditor CVA vote.

HMRC voted against the CVA and their vote should have consigned the Yams to the same fate as their Weegie cousins.

But, somehow, their administrators, BDO, forgot to have a non-connected creditor vote.

And BDO are the administrators accusing Duff and Phelps of dodgy dealing. :confused:

I know SFA about business-law but -

1) Even if BDO genuinely 'forgot', isn't there a law/procedure covering these events ?. I'd have thought that all/any of the other creditors who stood to lose of money would've known about how these things are dealt with and would've highlighted BDO's 'error' at the time ?

2) Isn't there a governing-body who monitors these events and makes sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed ?


I did have a 3rd question but it was going to be 'Why wasn't this highlighted in the media' - but then I remembered this is Scotland.

[greenginger]

I know SFA about business-law but -

1) Even if BDO genuinely 'forgot', isn't there a law/procedure covering these events ?. I'd have thought that all/any of the other creditors who stood to lose of money would've known about how these things are dealt with and would've highlighted BDO's 'error' at the time ?

2) Isn't there a governing-body who monitors these events and makes sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed ?


I did have a 3rd question but it was going to be 'Why wasn't this highlighted in the media' - but then I remembered this is Scotland.


I was joking when I suggested the administrator forgot. BDO were appointed by the court and had the court's support . BDO's man was Bryan Jackson and I think his reputation of being " savior of football clubs " got the better of him so he pulled a fast one.
HMRC who voted against the CVA could have gone to court to challenge the actions of BDO and Jackson , but there was nothing in for the taxman or any other creditor. Ukio Bankas as secured creditor was always going to take the whole creditor pot, so the taxman's costs in starting a court action was just chucking away taxpayer's money.
I got that view from someone quite high up in HMRC , he also said the adminstrator's actions had been fully noted and, in the future when the working of the insolvency industry is under review, don't be surprised if this case is quoted as one of the reasons why the taxman thinks there is too much power given to companies like BDO and other checks and balances are needed.
Of course Bryan Jackson no longer works for BDO, he now works for Heart's auditors.

[GreenLake]

You need evidence and so far there hasn't been any.


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You investigate to discover evidence.

[southern hibby]

Plus a special mention for Heriot Watt's generosity with someone elses money, had they not been so amenable as to neither pursue unpaid rent (which eventually was allowed to reach £145,655) or kick them out for non payment who knows what might have been discovered earlier?

Almost as accommodating as your city council over business rates. Makes you wonder.

Was informed by a passenger in I picked up from Heriot Watt who is an employee there, that actually it worked out for them better in the long run Hearts owing them money, as they applied for a grant towards building Oriam ( if that's what it's called) and because of their help in the community gesture it helped secure the win for them rather than it going to another application.
According to this person the Grant was for Millions. Not sure if true or not, just passing on what I was informed.

GGTTH

[WhileTheChief..]

None of this stuff was done by the present board at Rangers or Hearts. Why should Budge or King pay for the crap that was left behind by Romanov etc?

When you are blaming Hearts for stiffing the council etc. who are you actually blaming? As far as i can see it was Romanov and his crew., nothing to do with Budge, Levein or anyone else there now?

[GreenLake]

I was joking when I suggested the administrator forgot. BDO were appointed by the court and had the court's support . BDO's man was Bryan Jackson and I think his reputation of being " savior of football clubs " got the better of him so he pulled a fast one.
HMRC who voted against the CVA could have gone to court to challenge the actions of BDO and Jackson , but there was nothing in for the taxman or any other creditor. Ukio Bankas as secured creditor was always going to take the whole creditor pot, so the taxman's costs in starting a court action was just chucking away taxpayer's money.
I got that view from someone quite high up in HMRC , he also said the adminstrator's actions had been fully noted and, in the future when the working of the insolvency industry is under review, don't be surprised if this case is quoted as one of the reasons why the taxman thinks there is too much power given to companies like BDO and other checks and balances are needed.
Of course Bryan Jackson no longer works for BDO, he now works for Heart's auditors.

It might be a bit of Karma if he has his pension invested with the next Lehman Brothers and you are put in charge of their administration.

[Eyrie]

None of this stuff was done by the present board at Rangers or Hearts. Why should Budge or King pay for the crap that was left behind by Romanov etc?

When you are blaming Hearts for stiffing the council etc. who are you actually blaming? As far as i can see it was Romanov and his crew., nothing to do with Budge, Levein or anyone else there now?

That depends on whether you think it's the same club or not.

Sevco are a new club, which puts them in the clear.

Hearts are still the same club, which makes it fair game to point out that they used the money they stole to buy players they couldn't afford to win trophies which they are still entitled to claim. They can't have the trophies without the shame of the debt however.

[Bostonhibby]

That depends on whether you think it's the same club or not.

Sevco are a new club, which puts them in the clear.

Hearts are still the same club, which makes it fair game to point out that they used the money they stole to buy players they couldn't afford to win trophies which they are still entitled to claim. They can't have the trophies without the shame of the debt however.

Dave King was involved with the now defunct Glasgow Rangers pre liquidation (?) some would say he's just trying to get some money back this time around.

You are spot on about the unliquidated, and therefore still the original Hearts, they'd like it both ways, there's different bums on the deck chairs but its the same ship. Well old steamer anyway.

[Eyrie]

You are spot on about the unliquidated, and therefore still the original Hearts, they'd like it both ways, there's different bums on the deck chairs but its the same ship. Well old steamer anyway.

Some excellent references to their support in there, and a little dig at Budge at the end :thumbsup:

[Bostonhibby]

Some excellent references to their support in there, and a little dig at Budge at the end :thumbsup:

These things don't just happen, you have to work at it:greengrin

[Deansy]

None of this stuff was done by the present board at Rangers or Hearts. Why should Budge or King pay for the crap that was left behind by Romanov etc?

When you are blaming Hearts for stiffing the council etc. who are you actually blaming? As far as i can see it was Romanov and his crew., nothing to do with Budge, Levein or anyone else there now?

Hearts as a club, started to run up debt when Mercer took them over and Robinson and Romanov carried it on and increased it - different owners/boards but same intent . Time will tell re Budge but signing an entire new football team in January (Which Levein admitted 'is a bit of a gamble') just 2 years after administration, still stinks of their 'Big team' fantasy !

[Kaiser1962]

As much as I ****ing HATE Hearts, I feel they handled their Admin and financial strife with a lot more dignity than Der Hun and we can see that on the park with lack of ability compared to pre Admin. The Rangers just don't seem to have learned their lesson.

There was zero credibility or dignity to the way Hearts handled their insolvency event. What they did do very well was abdicate any responsibilty for acrued debts, whilst pretending to be a victim in the whole scenario ably abetted by Bryan Jackson and the non connected creditor decision. Lots of people were out of pocket by the behaviour of HoMFC. The timing couldnt have been engineered better with all eyes on their big brothers in Govan. But dignity? Sorry.......


Dave King was involved with the now defunct Glasgow Rangers pre liquidation (?) some would say he's just trying to get some money back this time around.

You are spot on about the unliquidated, and therefore still the original Hearts, they'd like it both ways, there's different bums on the deck chairs but its the same ship. Well old steamer anyway.


"original" Hearts were wound up in 1905 although they are still regarded as the version that rose from those embers but there are those that believe that Rangers are still the same version pre 2012 so not sure what difference being liquidated makes in the long run

Hearts were also the first Scottish club to be suspended from all competitions in October 1884 for making "underhand payments" to players.

It's in their genes.....

[Hibernia&Alba]

There was zero credibility or dignity to the way Hearts handled their insolvency event. What they did do very well was abdicate any responsibilty for acrued debts, whilst pretending to be a victim in the whole scenario ably abetted by Bryan Jackson and the non connected creditor decision. Lots of people were out of pocket by the behaviour of HoMFC. The timing couldnt have been engineered better with all eyes on their big brothers in Govan. But dignity? Sorry...

Hear hear. Nae shame nor remorse at all. Just pretend the cheating never happened.

[greenginger]

Hearts as a club, started to run up debt when Mercer took them over and Robinson and Romanov carried it on and increased it - different owners/boards but same intent . Time will tell re Budge but signing an entire new football team in January (Which Levein admitted 'is a bit of a gamble') just 2 years after administration, still stinks of their 'Big team' fantasy !


Don't forget the new stand and now a new pitch to be paid for too.

[brog]

Was informed by a passenger in I picked up from Heriot Watt who is an employee there, that actually it worked out for them better in the long run Hearts owing them money, as they applied for a grant towards building Oriam ( if that's what it's called) and because of their help in the community gesture it helped secure the win for them rather than it going to another application.
According to this person the Grant was for Millions. Not sure if true or not, just passing on what I was informed.

GGTTH

Not quite sure how Yams stiffing HW Uni would help HW's bid to host Oriam. You would have thought that the lack of financial governance displayed by HWU over the Yams debt would have damaged their cause. IIRC the other bidders were Stirling & Dundee & I don't think grants were involved. Rather the Scottish Government partially funded the development in conjunction with the City of Edinburgh & HWU. Total cost was I think about £35m, original budget was £25m.

[Bostonhibby]

There was zero credibility or dignity to the way Hearts handled their insolvency event. What they did do very well was abdicate any responsibilty for acrued debts, whilst pretending to be a victim in the whole scenario ably abetted by Bryan Jackson and the non connected creditor decision. Lots of people were out of pocket by the behaviour of HoMFC. The timing couldnt have been engineered better with all eyes on their big brothers in Govan. But dignity? Sorry.......




"original" Hearts were wound up in 1905 although they are still regarded as the version that rose from those embers but there are those that believe that Rangers are still the same version pre 2012 so not sure what difference being liquidated makes in the long run
Agreed re the huns. They allowed that entity to go into liquidation(they did do walking away!). Uniquely they seem to flit between the two states depending on what's expedient at the time. I guess if the SPFL weren't so keen to accommodate them we'd be able to call them the new team and that would be it.

The liquidation happened, we know why, so like any other business that goes down that path I am happy to regard them as gone.

It's a bit like the monty python dead parrot sketch with Johnny Hun playing the Michael Palin role.

[gordonced18]

Big Eck McLeish doing the Yosser Hughes impression on Sunday was an embarrassment.....Has the ginger prick forgotten he was deemed not good enough back when they were almost as deluded as they are now......Can you imagine the interview?

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[JackLadd]

That 1.7m EBT must be concentrating his mind to be fair to McLeish. Decision gets upheld and he might get away with a £2.5m settlement once the penalties are added, or the jail if he prefers that.

[lapsedhibee]

That 1.7m EBT must be concentrating his mind to be fair to McLeish. Decision gets upheld and he might get away with a £2.5m settlement once the penalties are added, or the jail if he prefers that.

Would penalties be added where there's no evidence that employees acted in bad faith? I think it was the employers that were up to no good, and that the likes of Yosser McLeish would, if he eventually has to repay, be charged interest only.

[CropleyWasGod]

Would penalties be added where there's no evidence that employees acted in bad faith? I think it was the employers that were up to no good, and that the likes of Yosser McLeish would, if he eventually has to repay, be charged interest only.
Things are changing in the HMRC penalty sphere.

Up until recently, the employer bore the brunt of any dodgy tax scheme. The employee escaped punishment. However, they have recently started to instigate proceedings against employees or beneficiaries of such schemes.

The regime is very new, so there are bound to be appeals against any assessments....until Court case law is established, it's difficult to know how things might go. My own view is that it's unfair to tax both the payer and payee... IMHO double the tax would be collected that way. That will.be the position of the recipients, I'm sure...but how that plays with the Courts remains to.be seen.

If McLeish is held to be liable, he'll be due tax and NI at the top rates in force when he received the payments. He'll also be due interest..which is set down in statute...and penalties...which will be negotiable. I'd doubt that jail time will be a consideration.

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[southern hibby]

Not quite sure how Yams stiffing HW Uni would help HW's bid to host Oriam. You would have thought that the lack of financial governance displayed by HWU over the Yams debt would have damaged their cause. IIRC the other bidders were Stirling & Dundee & I don't think grants were involved. Rather the Scottish Government partially funded the development in conjunction with the City of Edinburgh & HWU. Total cost was I think about £35m, original budget was £25m.

Exactly what I thought, but only passing on what I was informed.

GGtTH

[Geo_1875]

There was zero credibility or dignity to the way Hearts handled their insolvency event. What they did do very well was abdicate any responsibilty for acrued debts, whilst pretending to be a victim in the whole scenario ably abetted by Bryan Jackson and the non connected creditor decision. Lots of people were out of pocket by the behaviour of HoMFC. The timing couldnt have been engineered better with all eyes on their big brothers in Govan. But dignity? Sorry.......




"original" Hearts were wound up in 1905 although they are still regarded as the version that rose from those embers but there are those that believe that Rangers are still the same version pre 2012 so not sure what difference being liquidated makes in the long run

Hearts were also the first Scottish club to be suspended from all competitions in October 1884 for making "underhand payments" to players.

It's in their genes.....

The worst part was delaying announcing insolvency until after their last game to avoid penalties which would have seen them relegated instead of Dundee. Everybody knew they were in trouble for months before that but authorities turned a blind eye to the lying and cheating.

[Bostonhibby]

Was informed by a passenger in I picked up from Heriot Watt who is an employee there, that actually it worked out for them better in the long run Hearts owing them money, as they applied for a grant towards building Oriam ( if that's what it's called) and because of their help in the community gesture it helped secure the win for them rather than it going to another application.
According to this person the Grant was for Millions. Not sure if true or not, just passing on what I was informed.

GGTTH

Thanks for sharing, suspect your passenger was either Bryan Jackson or the finance director of HWU:wink:

It's a bit like the yam saying what happened to the smaller creditors did them a favour as they'd only have wasted the money on food and paying their way anyway, or lord George saying that it was alright because the Lithuanian government had a pension protection scheme.

[lapsedhibee]

Things are changing in the HMRC penalty sphere.

Up until recently, the employer bore the brunt of any dodgy tax scheme. The employee escaped punishment. However, they have recently started to instigate proceedings against employees or beneficiaries of such schemes.

The regime is very new, so there are bound to be appeals against any assessments....until Court case law is established, it's difficult to know how things might go. My own view is that it's unfair to tax both the payer and payee... IMHO double the tax would be collected that way. That will.be the position of the recipients, I'm sure...but how that plays with the Courts remains to.be seen.

If McLeish is held to be liable, he'll be due tax and NI at the top rates in force when he received the payments. He'll also be due interest..which is set down in statute...and penalties...which will be negotiable. I'd doubt that jail time will be a consideration.



Ta. Wouldn't sit right with me if after paying what's due in tax, NI and interest, the little people at the bottom of the chain also get hit with penalties. (Even though the little people in this instance are ridiculously overpaid huns.)

[calumhibee1]

The worst part was delaying announcing insolvency until after their last game to avoid penalties which would have seen them relegated instead of Dundee. Everybody knew they were in trouble for months before that but authorities turned a blind eye to the lying and cheating.

A lie which cost me a couple grand. I had a bet on them being relegated that I put on purely incase they had points deducted!

[greenginger]

A lie which cost me a couple grand. I had a bet on them being relegated that I put on purely incase they had points deducted!


At first I thought you were going to say you had joined their creditor's role of shame. :greengrin

Taken in by the spin of Self-sufficient Southern and All is Barry@EEN.

[Prof. Shaggy]

A lie which cost me a couple grand. I had a bet on them being relegated that I put on purely incase they had points deducted!

...and which may have had an impact on the duration of our own stay in the second tier?

[southern hibby]

Thanks for sharing, suspect your passenger was either Bryan Jackson or the finance director of HWU:wink:

It's a bit like the yam saying what happened to the smaller creditors did them a favour as they'd only have wasted the money on food and paying their way anyway, or lord George saying that it was alright because the Lithuanian government had a pension protection scheme.

Not sticking up for them in any way shape or form, but told that to stand a chance of getting financial help they had to prove what facilities they offer general public and what financial help they offer too. Was also told that helping out a major football club ( not sure if this was ment as financial or with training facilities, though the way it came over to me was training facilities ) it would be a major tick in the box for HW Uni.

GGTTH

[MrSmith]

Not sticking up for them in any way shape or form, but told that to stand a chance of getting financial help they had to prove what facilities they offer general public and what financial help they offer too. Was also told that helping out a major football club ( not sure if this was ment as financial or with training facilities, though the way it came over to me was training facilities ) it would be a major tick in the box for HW Uni.

GGTTH

From recollection, public monies and or funding to FE/HE cannot be used to support private industry as it cannot be seen to be helping one private company against another. So for a football club, I don't think the tick would apply. Local and community engagement would.

[HoboHarry]

Maybe CWG will have some good insight into this question as this is the bit that I just don't get. The following is copied from JJ's article this morning and I too have wondered many times why they are continuing to rack up debt:

"However word reaches me that Warburton has retained counsel from the top drawer of employment law litigators. A remittance demanding the entire amount of his contract, and his £500,000 bonus from last year, was sent by courier to Stewart Robertson. This robustly worded missive is soliciting £2.2m. If the matter is settled in court, as per the threat by Warburton’s counsel, there won’t be much change out of £2.5m. There is also the embarrassment of an attempt to ring-fence the £2.5m, only to find that the cupboard is bare.

It’s something of a desperate gamble by a desperate board as Warburton’s counsel has King bang to rights. The circa £300,000 of both sides’ court costs will not deter King. He will fancy his chances with the Scottish judiciary. A wink is as good as a bared nipple to this august body of Freemasons.

Is King playing for time until next season’s ticket revenue kicks in? Given that £3.75m has to be found to keep the lights on, would a full settlement and a £6m debt bring the curtains down? There are those in the know who are whispering administration, but this would not be sufficient to get the Ashley monkey off their backs."

So why would they continue towards ST time if there is going to be no money left anyway? What exactly is in it for King to continue down this ridiculous financial path?

[Seveno]

Re the story that Warburton resigned because he thought he was getting the Notts Forest job, only for that to be pulled at the last minute, seems nonsense to me.

i cannot believe that the Magic Hat would throw away a winning lead in injury time. :agree:

[JackLadd]

Is going to be a race between Big Mike and the Hat to get their money from the career criminal. Methinks liquidation will ensue; I can't see either party voting for a few pennies in the pound. That will mean a feeding frenzy on the Sevco corpse. Regan and Dungcaster of course will exclaim same club on whatever monstrosity emerges and warn of civil disturbances if the reanimated newco are not parachuted into the prem while they confer 54 titles. They should all be jailed.

[Ozyhibby]

Is going to be a race between Big Mike and the Hat to get their money from the career criminal. Methinks liquidation will ensue; I can't see either party voting for a few pennies in the pound. That will mean a feeding frenzy on the Sevco corpse. Regan and Dungcaster of course will exclaim same club on whatever monstrosity emerges and warn of civil disturbances if the reanimated newco are not parachuted into the prem while they confer 54 titles. They should all be jailed.

I can't see them not getting a CVA, although who would put together the offer would be interesting. And Ashley would still be there.


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[GlesgaeHibby]

It's only a matter of time before the **** really hits the fan at Ibrox.

Total revenue for the years ended June 2015 and 2016 was £38.5m with total expenditure at £51.7m.

With a supposed £3.75m required to keep the lights on until the end of the season, Warbo and his cronies £2.2m payoff likely to hit at some point in the next few months and the potential £5m court case win for Mike Ashley it's surely a matter of when, not if, they go bust again.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's only a matter of time before the **** really hits the fan at Ibrox.

Total revenue for the years ended June 2015 and 2016 was £38.5m with total expenditure at £51.7m.

With a supposed £3.75m required to keep the lights on until the end of the season, Warbo and his cronies £2.2m payoff likely to hit at some point in the next few months and the potential £5m court case win for Mike Ashley it's surely a matter of when, not if, they go bust again.

Posts like these arouse me more than any porn site ever could. :top marks

[Eyrie]

From the Scotsman gossip column


Rangers want director of football

Rangers will look to appoint a director of football along with a new manager to replace Mark Warburton.

MD Stewart Robertson told Rangers TV that the Ibrox outfit should be looking to act like a “modern football club” which retains an identity between managers. (Daily Record)

They'll find it impossible to drag their support kicking and screaming out of the 90s (1690s, that is).

But retaining an identity between managers will be a doddle after "retaining" an identity between two very separate football teams.

[GreenLake]

Warburton vs King - a tragic spat.

[GlesgaeHibby]

Posts like these arouse me more than any porn site ever could. :top marks

I got strange looks in work yesterday when I cheered loudly reading twitter on my phone - read a tweet that said 'Rangers enter Administration' not realising it was a special 5 year anniversary tweet. Still funny though, and can't wait for the next time.

[Ozyhibby]

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Handy court case guide


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[Is It On....]

I can't see them not getting a CVA, although who would put together the offer would be interesting. And Ashley would still be there.


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MA should only stand to lose the value of his shares as Rangers Retail is a separate legal entity in which Sevco own shares along side MA. As such, I don't think it can be included in any administration and therefore MA will continue to trouser £millions whilst SEVCO get buttons for another 5 or 6 years ☺️

[JackLadd]

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Handy court case guide


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What happened to the Big Mike case? Postponed indefinitely? Wi-fi mob 802 still not paid I see.

[mjhibby]

It's only a matter of time before the **** really hits the fan at Ibrox.

Total revenue for the years ended June 2015 and 2016 was £38.5m with total expenditure at £51.7m.

With a supposed £3.75m required to keep the lights on until the end of the season, Warbo and his cronies £2.2m payoff likely to hit at some point in the next few months and the potential £5m court case win for Mike Ashley it's surely a matter of when, not if, they go bust again.

I'm sure yet more loans will be sorted and they will hobble on to the end of the season. Maybe they will copy Hertz way and owe it too themselves

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170216/22983e72f93619b362908f0da41bca4b.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170216/a402cfecebf3f45c2428c9839cbb8090.jpg

Interesting how the record covers these two stories.


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[Is It On....]

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Interesting how the record covers these two stories.


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That is about as blatant as you can get in double standards. Really, really poor reporting on 2 clubs in the SAME city by a newspaper based in the city concerned.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Aye cause frank De Boer, a guy who according to wiki played a grand total of 15, yes FIFTEEN games for the mighty Glasgow Rangers is just itching to take over the manager reigns in Govan.

As usual, a pipe dream from the MSM hanging on to the coat tails and the final pay days from the absolutely ****ed establishment club.

Please die. And die soon. With some grave you horrible basturds

[Is It On....]

Aye cause frank De Boer, a guy who according to wiki played a grand total of 15, yes FIFTEEN games for the mighty Glasgow Rangers is just itching to take over the manager reigns in Govan.

As usual, a pipe dream from the MSM hanging on to the coat tails and the final pay days from the absolutely ****ed establishment club.

Please die. And die soon. With some grave you horrible basturds

Remember they were paying him something like a basic of £15,000 per week which McLeish described in an interview as "peanuts".

[hibee_nation]

Loved it when his penalty hit the post.

[Ozyhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/fa34b19a3cd81f5767e3909485531d31.jpg
On a thread titled 'How do we win this league'.
Absolute morons.


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[steakbake]

Today they are playing in shirts minus the club badge.

As Phil mentioned, there's £ problems with Puma.

I think we will see admin2 possibly liquidation again.

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/fa34b19a3cd81f5767e3909485531d31.jpg
On a thread titled 'How do we win this league'.
Absolute morons.


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WTF?

Cannae see what difference playing a team full of pomegranates will make. Up to them I suppose.

They cannae be meaning protestant /the rangers men bull****** surely, they've tried that already with Halliday and look how that's worked out.

[greenlex]

Today they are playing in shirts minus the club badge.

As Phil mentioned, there's £ problems with Puma.

I think we will see admin2 possibly liquidation again.
They are playing in a strip that has the badge on it. WTF is he on about?

[matty_f]

They are playing in a strip that has the badge on it. WTF is he on about?

There's a photo of one player without a badge on his shirt.

[Callum_62]

There's a photo of one player without a badge on his shirt.

where?

[greenlex]

There's a photo of one player without a badge on his shirt.

Well it must have been photoshopped as I've just watched the game and every player I saw had one.

[Smartie]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/fa34b19a3cd81f5767e3909485531d31.jpg
On a thread titled 'How do we win this league'.
Absolute morons.


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If they could somehow get their hands on players with the ability of Maurice Johnston and Lorenzo Amoruso then they'd be on the right track to winning the league.

Idiots.

[Eyrie]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/fa34b19a3cd81f5767e3909485531d31.jpg
On a thread titled 'How do we win this league'.
Absolute morons.


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Croatia is overwhelmingly Catholic, so that moron has named himself after a player who he wouldn't want in his team.

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/fa34b19a3cd81f5767e3909485531d31.jpg
On a thread titled 'How do we win this league'.
Absolute morons.


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When everything else has failed, revert to naked bigotry to boost morale. Despicable people.

[Radium]

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How bad do things have to be behind the scenes for a player to wear a strip without a badge


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[JackLadd]

the death of Sevco is going to be joyous.

[Hibernia&Alba]

the death of Sevco is going to be joyous.

Will it then be The Sevco or The The Rangers?

[greenlex]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/02205dbb31af188df8045c636eb750a1.jpg

How bad do things have to be behind the scenes for a player to wear a strip without a badge


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I can guarantee you 100% that boy had a badge on his top when he played today.

[jacomo]

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How bad do things have to be behind the scenes for a player to wear a strip without a badge


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Fake news.

[greenlex]

Fake news.

He may have changed at half time. Defo had one on in the second half.

[grunt]

I can guarantee you 100% that boy had a badge on his top when he played today.


Fake news.The SNSPix site has photos of him playing with a shirt and no crest. I don't think they would be involved in fake news.

http://www.snsgroup.co.uk/191217-ladbrokes-premiership-dundee-v-rangers-2-1/print/13296341.html

[Hibby70]

This is the "meltdown thread" after all. No wonder it's disappeared using that stuff to stitch the badges.

[jacomo]

The SNSPix site has photos of him playing with a shirt and no crest. I don't think they would be involved in fake news.

http://www.snsgroup.co.uk/191217-ladbrokes-premiership-dundee-v-rangers-2-1/print/13296341.html


OK if so I stand corrected.

But the insinuation is that this was due to some contractual / financial dispute. That seems far fetched to me.

[grunt]

But the insinuation is that this was due to some contractual / financial dispute. That seems far fetched to me.I just thought they were implying that Rangers were disorganised, and couldn't even arrange matching kit.

[jacomo]

I just thought they were implying that Rangers were disorganised, and couldn't even arrange matching kit.


Fair enough.

[Radium]

Fake news.

from the DR twitter feed, chose not to post the link

[Captain Trips]

The only thing fake about the news about the Rangers badge are the 5 stars around it.

Perhaps each star represents a company that was shafted.

[BullsCloseHibs]

I can guarantee you 100% that boy had a badge on his top when he played today.

With or without badge, it's still a losers kit 😊

[steakbake]

Sorry if I stirred anything. Looks like it was just one player.

Reckon they are goosed though - payweek this week and they needed a directors loan for last one. The Ibrox Three have a pretty strong employment case, they're up against Ashley in court again this month, they've got volunteers doing stewarding work...

Would love it if they imploded again. Points deduction, the lot. Liquidation would also be pretty amusing but I don't reckon they'd manage back again.

[keep the faith]

A The rangers fans Facebook page is tonight claiming cummings is a done deal at 1.3M.
They have no management team.....
You can't make it up!! 😁

[oneone73]

A The rangers fans Facebook page is tonight claiming cummings is a done deal at 1.3M.
They have no management team.....
You can't make it up!! 😁
Somebody did!

[JackLadd]

A The rangers fans Facebook page is tonight claiming cummings is a done deal at 1.3M.
They have no management team.....
You can't make it up!! 😁


Like wee Barry McKay to Leipzig for £6m was a done deal. In the mind of Jabba and Radar Jackass.

[Bostonhibby]

A The rangers fans Facebook page is tonight claiming cummings is a done deal at 1.3M.
They have no management team.....
You can't make it up!! 😁
They've definitely made it up. Jason is much taller than 1.3M

[Leithenhibby]

they've definitely made it up. Jason is much taller than 1.3m

😀
ggtth

[Is It On....]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/fa34b19a3cd81f5767e3909485531d31.jpg
On a thread titled 'How do we win this league'.
Absolute morons.


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The thread on Brigton was alot worse than that...I have clearly led a very sheltered life.

[Deansy]

Sorry if I stirred anything. Looks like it was just one player.

Reckon they are goosed though - payweek this week and they needed a directors loan for last one. The Ibrox Three have a pretty strong employment case, they're up against Ashley in court again this month, they've got volunteers doing stewarding work...

Would love it if they imploded again. Points deduction, the lot. Liquidation would also be pretty amusing but I don't reckon they'd manage back again.

Sadly, the likes of Regan, Doncaster et al will once again, bend over backwards to help them !

[hibees 7062]

Today they are playing in shirts minus the club badge.

As Phil mentioned, there's £ problems with Puma.

I think we will see admin2 possibly liquidation again.


https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16683820_1915719981995662_4100687493624002234_n.jp g?oh=3e26414d543645c4b13ec800dad7bd01&oe=5942DCAF

[CropleyWasGod]

What price the Oldco buying the assets of the Newco?

😈

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[southern hibby]

Will it then be The Sevco or The The Rangers?

I'm going for rangers²


GGTTH

[JackLadd]

Has to be The Rang3rs.

[Ozyhibby]

A The rangers fans Facebook page is tonight claiming cummings is a done deal at 1.3M.
They have no management team.....
You can't make it up!! [emoji16]

Keep this on the Sevco thread, there will be Hibs.netters wanting to drive him along the m8 themselves for that money.


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[The Leith Dutch]

The only thing fake about the news about the Rangers badge are the 5 stars around it.

Perhaps each star represents a company that was shafted.

They'd need the ****ing Milky Way on there if that was the case.....

[Scorrie]

The only thing fake about the news about the Rangers badge are the 5 stars around it.

Perhaps each star represents a company that was shafted.

Nah, each star represents each year the Rangers have been in existence

[southern hibby]

Has to be The Rang3rs.

Beats my suggestion hands down.

GGTTH

[Bostonhibby]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170219/fa34b19a3cd81f5767e3909485531d31.jpg
On a thread titled 'How do we win this league'.
Absolute morons.


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If this is the limit to their aspirations, why don't they just form a flute band?

They'll be able to afford it and it's a chance to meet like minded people from the same century and regions.

Got to cause them less seethe than their costly attempts at football over the last 5 years.

[fat freddy]

Johnjames reporting that Walter Smith and John Brown have flown to South Africa for a meeting with GASL, hes stuck between the view that Walter is either going to be offered the DOF role or perhaps be asked for a loan to pay this months wage bill.

[Bostonhibby]

Johnjames reporting that Walter Smith and John Brown have flown to South Africa for a meeting with GASL, hes stuck between the view that Walter is either going to be offered the DOF role or perhaps be asked for a loan to pay this months wage bill.
Stick two "the rangers men" up front for a couple of months to appease the hordes. Flog a few season tickets on the back of it and stumble on to the next crisis without touching the "warchest".

The vast majority of the huns will swallow this just like when the Record told them Green Whyte and GASL were all Messiah's.

[grunt]

Johnjames reporting that Walter Smith and John Brown have flown to South Africa for a meeting with GASL, hes stuck between the view that Walter is either going to be offered the DOF role or perhaps be asked for a loan to pay this months wage bill.I haven't read his post, I've given up on JJ.
But there would seem to be a simple flaw in the idea that Walter would fly to SA in order to loan money to the club.

[greenginger]

JJ has added a short post.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Says Morton still due £ 150,000 from their cup-tie.

Maybe just resting in their account, and fell asleep ! :greengrin

[Ringothedog]

JJ has added a short post.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Says Morton still due £ 150,000 from their cup-tie.

Maybe just resting in their account, and fell asleep ! :greengrin

I believe they get 28 days to send the money to Morton

[greenginger]

I believe they get 28 days to send the money to Morton



http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/SFAPublications/ScottishFAPublications2016-17/Scottish%20FA%20Handbook%202016-17.pdf


Rule 41 e, page 151.

They have 5 working days to make payment.

[GreenLake]

Has to be The Rang3rs.

Hullo, Hullo, we are the Trilly Boys.

[JackLadd]

I noted the front page of the Sun today is all about an ex hun coach engaged in historical paedophile activity with the hun youth set up. Beasts!

[Geo_1875]

I noted the front page of the Sun today is all about an ex hun coach engaged in historical paedophile activity with the hun youth set up. Beasts!

No doubt they'll claim they didn't buy that piece of the old club.

[JackLadd]

Jonjames is saying that Morton haven't been paid the £150k they were due due for Ibroke cup game. Now overdue and nobody picking up phone at ra big hoose. I still remember when that oldco crook Murray sunk Airdrie with an interdict for £30k.

[greenlex]

😂😂

[Bostonhibby]

JJ has added a short post.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Says Morton still due £ 150,000 from their cup-tie.

Maybe just resting in their account, and fell asleep ! :greengrin

Nae problem for dodgy Dave, it's only 0.5% of the legendary, nay mythical warchest - and its new money. As you say, resting Father Ted like in the accounts.

[Dub]

JJ has added a short post.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Says Morton still due £ 150,000 from their cup-tie.

Maybe just resting in their account, and fell asleep ! :greengrin

That's a lot of money for Morton to be without. It's obviously an error and Schrodinger FC have got the money :wink:

Morton should do to them what Murray did to Airdrie. As I recall at the time he was quoted as saying "It's just business"

[hibs0666]

Jonjames is saying that Morton haven't been paid the £150k they were due due for Ibroke cup game. Now overdue and nobody picking up phone at ra big hoose. I still remember when that oldco crook Murray sunk Airdrie with an interdict for £30k.

He's a fantasist and a blether who knows nowt.

[grunt]

JJ has added a short post.

https://johnjamessite.com/

Says Morton still due £ 150,000 from their cup-tie.

Maybe just resting in their account, and fell asleep ! :greengrinKeevins saying this is not true.

And now

Greenock Morton ‏@Morton_FC 9m9 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Morton_FC/status/833723281119264769)

We would like to clarify that contrary to rumours circulating, all monies due from Rangers from our Scottish Cup tie have been received.

[JackLadd]

Keevins saying this is not true.

And now

Greenock Morton ‏@Morton_FC 9m9 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Morton_FC/status/833723281119264769)

We would like to clarify that contrary to rumours circulating, all monies due from Rangers from our Scottish Cup tie have been received.



No comment by them whether they were five days late and if Sevco just paid up today. Doesn't entirely discredit JJ.

[Treadstone]

No comment by them whether they were five days late and if Sevco just paid up today. Doesn't entirely discredit JJ.

Couldn't be five days late the tie was only played eight days ago.

[grunt]

No comment by them whether they were five days late and if Sevco just paid up today. Doesn't entirely discredit JJ.Keevins is saying: "The money was paid today. I'm happy with my source!"

[JackLadd]

Couldn't be five days late the tie was only played eight days ago.


I would have thought they should have been paid next day after the game. Why should there be any delay at all? If they got paid today Sevco had a week of interest on the money.

[Ozyhibby]

If they paid today then they were late.


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[tamig]

I would have thought they should have been paid next day after the game. Why should there be any delay at all? If they got paid today Sevco had a week of interest on the money.

Interest rates are very poor these days and who knows what kind of rate the hun will enjoy from whoever their bankers are now.

[Aldo]

The victims are at it again. This time caught signing sickening songs about him dying of cancer.

Video has since been removed and I'm struggling to find it!

Shows you exactly what their supported are all about once again


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[JackLadd]

Interest rates are very poor these days and who knows what kind of rate the hun will enjoy from whoever their bankers are now.


Maybe 1.2% PA for a business account, tiny, but every penny counts when you are potless new hun.:greengrin

[tamig]

The victims are at it again. This time caught signing sickening songs about him dying of cancer.

Video has since been removed and I'm struggling to find it!

Shows you exactly what their supported are all about once again


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Who are you talking about Aldo? Who were they singing about?

[tamig]

Maybe 1.2% PA for a business account, tiny, but every penny counts when you are potless new hun.:greengrin

Any idea who provides their banking services now?

[Ozyhibby]

Any idea who provides their banking services now?

Metro bank I think.


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[JackLadd]

Any idea who provides their banking services now?


Sproggit and Sylvester.

[Aldo]

The victims (Newco) they portray themselves as always being the victim.

Sorry I must have deleted a bit.... Tommy Burns. They were singing about him dying of cancer.

Sorry folks brain fart this evening!!


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[tamig]

The victims (Newco) they portray themselves as always being the victim.

Sorry I must have deleted a bit.... Tommy Burns. They were singing about him dying of cancer.

Sorry folks brain fart this evening!!


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Cheers bud.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The victims (Newco) they portray themselves as always being the victim.

Sorry I must have deleted a bit.... Tommy Burns. They were singing about him dying of cancer.

Sorry folks brain fart this evening!!


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Was this yesterday?

[fat freddy]

Was this yesterday?

Naw, it was about 9 years ago.

[greenginger]

If they paid today then they were late.


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Yep, exact wording of the rule " .....and shall pay the amount within five working days of the match. "

[Aldo]

Naw, it was about 9 years ago.

No it's was written today but it has since been removed. It was on a friend Social media page and it has been written today by Mark McDougall. Daily record has pulled the video however Mirror is still running it


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rangers-fans-captured-singing-disgusting-9854801.amp?client=safari




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[greenginger]

Another clause I read in the SFA Scottish Cup rules was the holders have to return the trophy by the end of March.

We'll still be the Cup Holders no matter Wednesday's result ! :thumbsup:

[brog]

No comment by them whether they were five days late and if Sevco just paid up today. Doesn't entirely discredit JJ.

I suspect they were paid today, at the last possible moment. Mind you it would be at the expense of non footy creditors who don't have the same punitive leverage enjoyed by football clubs.

[JackLadd]

I suspect they were paid today, at the last possible moment. Mind you it would be at the expense of non footy creditors who don't have the same punitive leverage enjoyed by football clubs.


Yep, Sevco know if they hadn't paid up it would have been Morton vs Hamilton.

[silverhibee]

The victims (Newco) they portray themselves as always being the victim.

Sorry I must have deleted a bit.... Tommy Burns. They were singing about him dying of cancer.

Sorry folks brain fart this evening!!


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There partners in crime "Celtc" have a wee ditty about Davie Cooper.

[Deansy]

No it's was written today but it has since been removed. It was on a friend Social media page and it has been written today by Mark McDougall. Daily record has pulled the video however Mirror is still running it


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rangers-fans-captured-singing-disgusting-9854801.amp?client=safari




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'Football fans captured singing disgusting deth chants about Celtic legend Tommy Burns'

'Football fans' ?? Once again the media excels in its forelock-tugging towards the Hun - we all know exactly which club these s*um support and 'Football' comes 2nd in importance there, singing songs about battles in another country is their 'Reason for existence' !

Just another example of the double-standards our 'media' like to operate with, the Mirror's sister-rag, the 'Daily Rectum' (ok admins - nicked from JJ ??) deemd it fit to label a fight outside the 'International Bar' as a 'fight between Hibs and Hearts hooligans' when, like this sickening article, there are no colours, scarfs, football-tops etc to identify the culprits - thank God their sales are plummeting !