Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

Just read this piece from news stv, maybe someone with better knowledge than myself can answer the question regarding the big tax case and EBTs, why there has not been any mention of any attempts to recover the loan payments

HMRC’s argument revolved around the use of employee benefit trusts which were used by the companies, including the Rangers oldco, which they alleged were used as emoluments to employees. Murray successfully argued they were loans which remain recoverable.

The theory is that, in each case (and there is a separate Trust for each player/employee) the loan will be repaid out of that person's estate when they die, or when the Trust is wound up.

I had a "discussion" with a client on this very point recently. All they could see was the tax saving, but without any consideration for their estate, and the effects it might have on their successors.

[AndyM_1875]

Just read this piece from news stv, maybe someone with better knowledge than myself can answer the question regarding the big tax case and EBTs, why there has not been any mention of any attempts to recover the loan payments

HMRC’s argument revolved around the use of employee benefit trusts which were used by the companies, including the Rangers oldco, which they alleged were used as emoluments to employees. Murray successfully argued they were loans which remain recoverable.

There has been no attempt to recover because HMRC have so far not established any sort of legal precedent having failed at both First Tier Tax Tribunal and Upper Tier Tribunal.
EBTs whilst morally questionable were legal at the time and used by a number of companies. HMRC's gripe is in how the Murray Group companies applied them.

But they are not the reason for the liquidation of Murray's companies. That has much more to do with the level of indebtedness these companies were run into by Murray. This was mainly due an overly familiar and unhealthy relationship with the Bank of Scotland where his main man was Gavin Masterton who himself ran Dunfermline into the wall. After the financial crash Lloyds put an end to that.
What DM is doing now is disposing of them having moved or transferred all the profit making parts of his empire to his family.

http://www.scotsman.com/business/retail/former-rangers-owner-david-murray-liquidates-firms-1-3660075

[CropleyWasGod]

More good news:-

Rangers statement: "Further to the announcement on 17 December 2014, Rangers Football Club Limited (the "club") lost the appeal with the Judicial Panel of the Scottish FA on 13 January 2015 in respect of the EBT Commission fine of £250,000 levied on RFC 2012 PLC (previously The Rangers Football Club plc) (in liquidation). The club will now take the matter to arbitration."

[Moulin Yarns]

Football debt?

[wills]

The theory is that, in each case (and there is a separate Trust for each player/employee) the loan will be repaid out of that person's estate when they die, or when the Trust is wound up.I had a "discussion" with a client on this very point recently. All they could see was the tax saving, but without any consideration for their estate, and the effects it might have on their successors.Thanks for this, that's why I'm not an accountant

[wills]

There has been no attempt to recover because HMRC have so far not established any sort of legal precedent having failed at both First Tier Tax Tribunal and Upper Tier Tribunal.
EBTs whilst morally questionable were legal at the time and used by a number of companies. HMRC's gripe is in how the Murray Group companies applied them.

But they are not the reason for the liquidation of Murray's companies. That has much more to do with the level of indebtedness these companies were run into by Murray. This was mainly due an overly familiar and unhealthy relationship with the Bank of Scotland where his main man was Gavin Masterton who himself ran Dunfermline into the wall. After the financial crash Lloyds put an end to that.
What DM is doing now is disposing of them having moved or transferred all the profit making parts of his empire to his family.

http://www.scotsman.com/business/retail/former-rangers-owner-david-murray-liquidates-firms-1-3660075

Thanks for this. I was just thinking if all the loans had been made under EBTs why could these loans not be called in to pay of some debts, CWG put me right.

[CropleyWasGod]

Thanks for this. I was just thinking if all the loans had been made under EBTs why could these loans not be called in to pay of some debts, CWG put me right.

Another point, just to clarify.

It wasn't Rangers that made the loans. They made contributions to the Trusts. It was the Trusts that made the loans.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Meanwhile a lot of assets from his companies were transferred to his family trust.
He's no better than Robert Maxwell.




Indeed and a discussion this morning with a Glaswegian business chum (who also happens to be a bluenose) of mine alludes to that.

"Murray's a ****. But one that knows how to play the game. He's about to do what can only be called a rubbish dump. He's scooped out all the good stuff from his business empire (MIH) and transferred it away into his family basically leaving MIH as a shell with all the debt to get wound up. He leaves nothing but a trail of debt behind him and he's screwed Lloyds/Bank of Scotland good & proper.

You'd be a fool to write him off but I'd never ever do business with him. He's one of the most unethical people I have ever come into contact with."



and he has a knighhood as well...pffftt :bitchy:

[Weststandwanab]

It looks like Security over Ibrox has been granted !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7YiEGlIMAA27Jx.jpg

[bingo70]

What's the significance of Ashley having security over ibrox?

What's the worst case scenario for them now?

[Ozyhibby]

Ashley not going away then in the face of the 3 bears. :-)

[Ozyhibby]

What's the significance of Ashley having security over ibrox?

What's the worst case scenario for them now?

Ashley can now crash the bus and still own all the important stuff. Start new club again?

[Billy Whizz]

Ashley can now crash the bus and still own all the important stuff. Start new club again?

A 25 point penalty would leave them 16 points behind the 4th placed team, and unlikely to make the play off's.

[CropleyWasGod]

It looks like Security over Ibrox has been granted !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7YiEGlIMAA27Jx.jpg

Where are you getting that from? It's not Companies House.

[greenginger]

Where are you getting that from? It's not Companies House.


Looks like a Registers Direct document.

[marti1875]

Where are you getting that from? It's not Companies House.

It's an Registers of Scotland print by the looks of it. You can just see it at the bottom of the page saying ROS Direct.
Looks like some sort of search it seems.

[greenginger]

It looks like it is only valid for a month.

[worcesterhibby]

Where are you getting that from? It's not Companies House.

look at the bottom of the sheet https://www.eservices.ros.gov.uk

[s.a.m]

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/306606-mike-ashley-posts-intent-to-take-out-security-over-rangers-ibrox-stadium/

[Weststandwanab]

Where are you getting that from? It's not Companies House.

http://t.co/ZuSQ1AXqMp

[JimBHibees]

Will this not mean the fearless and impartial :greengrin footballing authorities in this country will need to take action given his increasing control of the club.

[robinp]

Looks like a Registers Direct document.

It is!

[Weststandwanab]

On the B.B.C. site now http://t.co/VNPo2HVoRQ

[robinp]

It looks like it is only valid for a month.

It a pre notice - looks to be an intention to lodge a security.

[robinp]

Both documents on the STV website are extracts from Registers Direct.

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure that this is all that significant, TBH.

The obvious short-term fix for Rangers is to get short-term finance, to buy time until the share issue can be organised.

If this application for security goes ahead, presumably it's a condition of a short-term loan by Ashley.

So, if that's the case, they're solvent and they will keep going pro tem.

[Weststandwanab]

Not sure that this is all that significant, TBH.

The obvious short-term fix for Rangers is to get short-term finance, to buy time until the share issue can be organised.

If this application for security goes ahead, presumably it's a condition of a short-term loan by Ashley.

So, if that's the case, they're solvent and they will keep going pro tem.

How long ago was it they said the would never grant security over Ibrox ?

[CropleyWasGod]

How long ago was it they said the would never grant security over Ibrox ?

That was playing to the gallery, IMO.

Now that they have been backed into a corner, business sense has prevailed over emotional grandstanding.

[Weststandwanab]

That was playing to the gallery, IMO.

Now that they have been backed into a corner, business sense has prevailed over emotional grandstanding.

Indeed it was but the bears will not be happy !

[CropleyWasGod]

Indeed it was but the bears will not be happy !

If you're meaning the 3 Bears, yeah, they won't be.

If you mean the generic species of HunBear, they bloody should be happy. It keeps them going for the moment. They don't seem to get it that King Davie will not be crossing the Clyde on his white horse for a wee while yet.

[AndyM_1875]

If you're meaning the 3 Bears, yeah, they won't be.

If you mean the generic species of HunBear, they bloody should be happy. It keeps them going for the moment. They don't seem to get it that King Davie will not be crossing the Clyde on his white horse for a wee while yet.

Keith Jackson has just stated that Mike Ashley has just "parked his tanks outside Ibrox."

I think King Davie & the 3 Bears are about to get a kicking. Liklihood is Rangers will stagger on till seasons end, LLambias will restructure & rebuild and Ashley will get Rangers as he will have sold Newcastle by then. The Bears will be beelin' and so will the Celtic Twitterati.

[Weststandwanab]

If you're meaning the 3 Bears, yeah, they won't be.

If you mean the generic species of HunBear, they bloody should be happy. It keeps them going for the moment. They don't seem to get it that King Davie will not be crossing the Clyde on his white horse for a wee while yet.

The latter.

And here it was http://t.co/3A2h6xawlp 6th May 2014

[jacomo]

How long ago was it they said the would never grant security over Ibrox ?

On the face of it, this is a resignation issue for David Somers is it not?

Saying you have 'no intention' of granting security gives you wriggle room if circumstances change, but how can a chairman categorically state that the company 'will not' grant security over specific assets, then do just that, and stay in post?

[Arthur Duncan]

It is a Register Direct document. New registration system from Dec 2014 allows advance notices (similar to england) which offers protection to the grantee (Sport direct ltd) for 30 odd days. it is almost certain the security will be signed and registered in the next couple of weeks.

[Weststandwanab]

On the face of it, this is a resignation issue for David Somers is it not?

Saying you have 'no intention' of granting security gives you wriggle room if circumstances change, but how can a chairman categorically state that the company 'will not' grant security over specific assets, then do just that, and stay in post?

Well you should never say never.


If RP had made that statement in May and then served notice he was going to grant security 8 months later can you imagine the meltdown there would be on here

I think most Bear know what is coming and it is inevitable.

[CropleyWasGod]

It is a Register Direct document. New registration system from Dec 2014 allows advance notices (similar to england) which offers protection to the grantee (Sport direct ltd) for 30 odd days. it is almost certain the security will be signed and registered in the next couple of weeks.

Cheers, Nijinsky, didn't know that. :aok:

[HFC 0-7]

It looks like it is only valid for a month.

I think its that only sports direct can get security for the next 35days. It may be that they dont get security but stops everyone else getting it?

[HappyAsHellas]

Reported that Ashley wants the security for a £10 million loan.

[Weststandwanab]

I think its that only sports direct can get security for the next 35days. It may be that they dont get security but stops everyone else getting it?

I does not look like it will take that long http://t.co/UccgPNc7k8

[HappyAsHellas]

Taken from Rangers media:

HE Board of Rangers Football Club have issued the following statement today:

"The Board of Rangers note with dismay the launch of the 'Ibrox 1972 fund' led by Dave King and Richard Gough.
"Attempting to create a fund that wishes to deprive revenue to the football club these men purport to love so much and create financial difficulty for Rangers, displays a twisted logic.
"For the avoidance of doubt and so that all Rangers fans are again reassured, the Board has stated that it has no intention of granting security over Ibrox to anybody. We have already shown in our actions - and not words - that our stadium is sacrosanct.
"Any supporters considering engaging with Ibrox 1972 Ltd should be clear that as the Club will not grant security over Ibrox to any such organisation, there is no prospect that any commitment to this new scheme will ever come to fruition and is therefore entirely meaningless. Nor will the Board enter into any agreement with a third party organisation on season ticket renewals, as is being suggested.
"Therefore this scheme is a worthless academic exercise created to serve the purposes of individuals and not the greater good of Rangers Football Club. It could never deliver the stability and security this football club and our supporters deserve.
"It is also important to note that should existing season ticket holders choose not to renew by the 16th May deadline, as is being encouraged, they could lose their seat allocation. The Club believes it must - as it always does at this time of the year - attempt to satisfy the requests we have received from current season ticket holders who wish to relocate to other available seats around the stadium.
"The absurd attacks made by individuals associated with this new scheme on Chief Executive Graham Wallace are disgraceful. Since Mr Wallace joined the Club he has worked tirelessly to create a Rangers fit for the future.
"Mr Wallace has brought his considerable business experience together with his extensive knowledge of top-level football operations and impeccable reputation to the Club and we continue to see the benefits of his work. To question his integrity, ability or professionalism as a means to discredit him personally and to undermine the Board generally is absolutely unacceptable.
"Mr Wallace has the Board's unequivocal support.
"We are only too aware that our incredibly loyal supporters have been through remarkably testing times in recent years, but Rangers has made significant progress in recent months, both on and off the field.
"A bright future awaits and we would respectfully ask our fans to support the Club and renew their season tickets. Season ticket sales are the largest single source of income for Rangers and only the Club and the team will suffer if some of this income is withheld.
"Any decision not to renew season tickets can only damage the Club. Such action would only serve to harm the very institution that is so dear to all of us."

[jacomo]

For the avoidance of doubt, never trust anything that comes out if that club.

[stokesmessiah]

If they take that loan off Ashley am I right in thinking that would be £13m of debt they have just to him alone?? There is quite clearly other debt in the background too. How the bloody hell is it even possible for them to screw themselves up so much in such a short space of time??

[Geo_1875]

If they take that loan off Ashley am I right in thinking that would be £13m of debt they have just to him alone?? There is quite clearly other debt in the background too. How the bloody hell is it even possible for them to screw themselves up so much in such a short space of time??

And that would only get them through another couple of months. They'll be hoping the new share issue gets them to the end of the season and into the PL. If they don't go up they'll die, again.

[Steve20]

Keith Jackson has just stated that Mike Ashley has just "parked his tanks outside Ibrox."

I think King Davie & the 3 Bears are about to get a kicking. Liklihood is Rangers will stagger on till seasons end, LLambias will restructure & rebuild and Ashley will get Rangers as he will have sold Newcastle by then. The Bears will be beelin' and so will the Celtic Twitterati.

He must see something in Rangers that I can't. With the money that clubs get in down south, why would he want to jump out the English Premier with Newcastle to buy a basketcase club like Rangers up here.

[CropleyWasGod]

He must see something in Rangers that I can't. With the money that clubs get in down south, why would he want to jump out the English Premier with Newcastle to buy a basketcase club like Rangers up here.

That's the thing, though. They're not a basket case, if they're run properly. They have the potential to be a massive brand, and MA knows that. They have been run badly for many years, but it doesn't have to be that way.

MA sees the potential in the brand, and the merchandising of that. He also, and this has been suggested by a few of us in recent weeks, sees the potential in having ownership of the assets without the hassle of owning and running a fitba club.

[PatHead]

That's the thing, though. They're not a basket case, if they're run properly. They have the potential to be a massive brand, and MA knows that. They have been run badly for many years, but it doesn't have to be that way.

MA sees the potential in the brand, and the merchandising of that. He also, and this has been suggested by a few of us in recent weeks, sees the potential in having ownership of the assets without the hassle of owning and running a fitba club.

Might have agreed with you a couple of years ago but once fans get an excuse not to go to the game it is very hard to get them back. Winning the Premiership or finishing second and getting pumped out of Europe before the group stages won't be enough.

Ashley is also seen as toxic by a lot of the support. They could be holed below the waterline and limp along for a long, long time to come.

[CropleyWasGod]

Might have agreed with you a couple of years ago but once fans get an excuse not to go to the game it is very hard to get them back. Winning the Premiership or finishing second and getting pumped out of Europe before the group stages won't be enough.

Ashley is also seen as toxic by a lot of the support. They could be holed below the waterline and limp along for a long, long time to come.

You might be right. In which case, the Plan B (owning the assets, and charging massive rents) becomes Plan A. :greengrin

[BH Hibs]

Just wondering if a Hertz victory tomorrow could see them consider admin2 to be a serious possibility?

[PatHead]

Just wondering if a Hertz victory tomorrow could see them consider admin2 to be a serious possibility?

Maybe if they win they might as they feel they will make the playoffs.

[Geo_1875]

Maybe if they win they might as they feel they will make the playoffs.

They need to win the play-offs or they will be seriously damaged for years to come.

[brog]

He must see something in Rangers that I can't. With the money that clubs get in down south, why would he want to jump out the English Premier with Newcastle to buy a basketcase club like Rangers up here.

Its possibly just the share value. Sevco shares are currently trading at about 25-30% of what they were a few months ago. If Ashley can assume control & even get them up get them up to about 70% of their previous value he can sell on & make millions.

[Arthur Duncan]

Cheers, Nijinsky, didn't know that. :aok:

Ha ha, boyhood hero galloping down the wing!

[jacomo]

Might have agreed with you a couple of years ago but once fans get an excuse not to go to the game it is very hard to get them back. Winning the Premiership or finishing second and getting pumped out of Europe before the group stages won't be enough.

Ashley is also seen as toxic by a lot of the support. They could be holed below the waterline and limp along for a long, long time to come.

Rangers must be one of the biggest football brands in terms of retail. Much like Newcastle. I am not sure if Ashley initially saw much more to it than that. But recurring problems have almost forced him to get involved.

[Iain G]

That's the thing, though. They're not a basket case, if they're run properly. They have the potential to be a massive brand, and MA knows that. They have been run badly for many years, but it doesn't have to be that way.

MA sees the potential in the brand, and the merchandising of that. He also, and this has been suggested by a few of us in recent weeks, sees the potential in having ownership of the assets without the hassle of owning and running a fitba club.

What they need is a non Rangers minded businessman like Ashley to come in and clear out the place and run it without the bigotted blue tinted specs

[jacomo]

What they need is a non Rangers minded businessman like Ashley to come in and clear out the place and run it without the bigotted blue tinted specs

:agree:

Say what you like about him, but Ashley sorted Newcastle out. He may even have learnt from his mistakes there, such as the public fall out with Keegan.

[hibs4life]

What they need is a non Rangers minded businessman like Ashley to come in and clear out the place and run it without the bigotted blue tinted specs

Surely those specs could be added to the club's merchandise, I'm sure they'd fly off the shelves...
On a serious note, sadly the Rangers' 'traditions' (blue nosery and Northern Irish Protestantism of the fundamental variety), are likely to continue to be linked to the football brand as it would seem to me this helps to define the brand, shift product and make money for them...

[cabbageandribs1875]

i see 'the union of fans' have called for a demonstration before KO tomorrow night



We have been campaigning for 18 months to try to secure our stadium. It is not yet too late but the only people who can stop this now are the fans and we would ask them to do two things. First of all please come to the ground tomorrow night, 45 minutes before kick-off and stage a mass demonstration at the front door of our Ibrox home. We would ask fans not to enter the game but if they feel they have to, in order to support the team in an important game, then we would ask them to make their feelings known in the strongest possible fashion to the board.



Derek Llambias and Barry Leach have been appointed by Mr Ashley to ensure he grabs the remaining assets of the club. Mr Ashley and his board stooges have shown a blatant disregard for the club and the fans. John Brown could not have been more accurate when he described them as “rats”.

[Spike Mandela]

Surely if we have learned anything over the last couple of years it's in the terms of a football insolvency event, that having security over a football stadium is virtually worthless. Sevco fans getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.

[CropleyWasGod]

Surely if we have learned anything over the last couple of years it's in the terms of a football insolvency event, that having security over a football stadium is virtually worthless. Sevco fans getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.
I just can't understand why they're getting so irate.

The club has no money. Ashley has. The 3 Bears have, but apparently not enough.
Ashley wants to lend....LEND...them enough money to get them through the season.

They are lucky they have assets to pledge. If and when the share issue happens, and the loan is repaid, the security is released.

Now.....has anyone got a better plan? Remember that the wages are due soon.

[scoopyboy]

I just can't understand why they're getting so irate.

The club has no money. Ashley has. The 3 Bears have, but apparently not enough.
Ashley wants to lend....LEND...them enough money to get them through the season.

They are lucky they have assets to pledge. If and when the share issue happens, and the loan is repaid, the security is released.

Now.....has anyone got a better plan? Remember that the wages are due soon.

Would a better plan not be once he has made the £13 million loan and has the security in place not just put them into administration later in the year?

When in admin he would own Ibrox, the car park and Murray Park.

He could then pick up the club for a relative song as nobody would buy Rangers when he basically owns all the assets.

I'm not in your league CWG but is there a flaw in my theory?

[bingo70]

I just can't understand why they're getting so irate.

The club has no money. Ashley has. The 3 Bears have, but apparently not enough.
Ashley wants to lend....LEND...them enough money to get them through the season.

They are lucky they have assets to pledge. If and when the share issue happens, and the loan is repaid, the security is released.

Now.....has anyone got a better plan? Remember that the wages are due soon.

They probably see the American boy as the better alternative but know as long as Ashleys men are in there then what's best for the club is secondary to what's really important.

[CropleyWasGod]

Would a better plan not be once he has made the £13 million loan and has the security in place not just put them into administration later in the year?

When in admin he would own Ibrox, the car park and Murray Park.

He could then pick up the club for a relative song as nobody would buy Rangers when he basically owns all the assets.

I'm not in your league CWG but is there a flaw in my theory?
He would get the first 13m from their sale. He wouldn't necessarily own them.

More later. ...at a gig :)

[ancient hibee]

I just can't understand why they're getting so irate.

The club has no money. Ashley has. The 3 Bears have, but apparently not enough.
Ashley wants to lend....LEND...them enough money to get them through the season.

They are lucky they have assets to pledge. If and when the share issue happens, and the loan is repaid, the security is released.

Now.....has anyone got a better plan? Remember that the wages are due soon.

Rangers fans are like all other fans.What they want is a sugar daddy(in their case Dave King)to put oodles into the club-never ask for it back-to be wasted on players who will let them lord it over Celtic(most Rangers fans ultimate wet dream).It has completely bypassed them that King was a component part of allowing Murray to get them in the mess that can't get out of.Incidentally I don't think Rangers are a big brand outside West of Scotland,Northern Ireland or parts of Canada.You can write them off in any Catholic part of the world-surely Ashley or one of his minions has remembered this.

[jodjam]

Today's the day the teddy bears had their pitch nicked

[bighairyfaeleith]

Apparently Kings bears where planning there move for next week so not surprised that Ashley has made his move.

Thing to remember is that both he and the easedales simply don't give a **** what the fans think, they will do what they want regardless. This plan has been in place for too long for them to just walk away because some rangers men bought shares. If anything, these rangers men losing there money on shares when the club is put into admin will help Ashley increase his grip in the long term.

Be interesting to see if whyte now drops his claims on rangers, a wee rumour I heard today suggests he will. No idea if it's true or not as the source wasn't great.

[FranckSuzy]

Today's the day the teddy bears had their pitch nicked

:tee hee: :top marks

[bighairyfaeleith]

Love this quote

Rangers Supporters Trust: "Quite frankly this latest move by the board is legalised theft and we will not stand by and watch it happen. If necessary we will instigate legal action against the directors both collectively and individually. We have also contacted several MPs and will be seeking political and government support to stop this attempted asset grab."

Legalised theft and they will use legal action to stop it. :greengrin

[bighairyfaeleith]

Today's the day the teddy bears had their pitch nicked

Jeffing brilliant:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Love this quote

Rangers Supporters Trust: "Quite frankly this latest move by the board is legalised theft and we will not stand by and watch it happen. If necessary we will instigate legal action against the directors both collectively and individually. We have also contacted several MPs and will be seeking political and government support to stop this attempted asset grab."

Legalised theft and they will use legal action to stop it. :greengrin

Imagine that, oh the irony? :greengrin

[Spike Mandela]

Phil's latest.....

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/gunfight-at-the-ibrox-corral/

[bighairyfaeleith]

Phil's latest.....

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/gunfight-at-the-ibrox-corral/

Boy is full of *****, however that was quite a funny wee blog on this occassion.

[Weststandwanab]

Today's the day the teddy bears had their pitch nicked

I like that comment


Apparently Kings bears where planning there move for next week so not surprised that Ashley has made his move.

Thing to remember is that both he and the easedales simply don't give a **** what the fans think, they will do what they want regardless. This plan has been in place for too long for them to just walk away because some rangers men bought shares. If anything, these rangers men losing there money on shares when the club is put into admin will help Ashley increase his grip in the long term.

Be interesting to see if whyte now drops his claims on rangers, a wee rumour I heard today suggests he will. No idea if it's true or not as the source wasn't great.

He will be "persuaded" to do so I hear


Love this quote Rangers Supporters Trust: "Quite frankly this latest move by the board is legalised theft and we will not stand by and watch it happen. If necessary we will instigate legal action against the directors both collectively and individually. We have also contacted several MPs and will be seeking political and government support to stop this attempted asset grab."

Legalised theft and they will use legal action to stop it. :greengrin

Legalised theft from Bears are they serious ?

[Tinribs]

Boy is full of *****, however that was quite a funny wee blog on this occassion.

Maybe, but still illiterate and with no sign of sentence structure.

[brog]

Today's the day the teddy bears had their pitch nicked

Superb! Is this your own work? :thumbsup:

[jodjam]

Superb! Is this your own work? :thumbsup:

I borrowed it from a mate :) it made me giggle

[Bishop Hibee]

:agree:

Say what you like about him, but Ashley sorted Newcastle out. He may even have learnt from his mistakes there, such as the public fall out with Keegan.

Any Mags I know hate Ashley but they know there is no alternative unless someone with deep pockets buys him out. There is no stomach for a boycott to get him out. Even in the Championship they got 45K on average.

If newco fans boycott in even greater numbers then they will surely go kaput again. :giruy2:

[brog]

I borrowed it from a mate :) it made me giggle

Very honest of you. It's amazing how someone dreams these things up!

[portycabbage]

"If you go down to ibrox today you're in for a big surprise. If you go down to ibrox today you'll never believe you're eyes. Cause super ally has no cash, and soon nowhere to sing the sash. Today's the day the teddy bears have their pitch nicked."

Full version, was flying about when they first went into admin!

[greenginger]

I just can't understand why they're getting so irate.

The club has no money. Ashley has. The 3 Bears have, but apparently not enough.
Ashley wants to lend....LEND...them enough money to get them through the season.

They are lucky they have assets to pledge. If and when the share issue happens, and the loan is repaid, the security is released.

Now.....has anyone got a better plan? Remember that the wages are due soon.


I see from the news feed on the PM board, some Rangers fans are going to court to stop Ashley ....... well saving them :confused:

[bingo70]

The three bears offer £5m loan to protect ibrox.

Protect it from what?

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/rangers/306703-three-bears-offer-to-up-5m-rangers-loan-offer-to-protect-ibrox/

[EdinMike]

"If you go down to ibrox today you're in for a big surprise. If you go down to ibrox today you'll never believe you're eyes. Cause super ally has no cash, and soon nowhere to sing the sash. Today's the day the teddy bears have their pitch nicked."

Full version, was flying about when they first went into admin!

T'was and Aberdeen fan that came up with it and Celtic stole it... Sound familiar ?! :hmmm:

[Moulin Yarns]

He would get the first 13m from their sale. He wouldn't necessarily own them.

More later. ...at a gig :)

What gig? I'M just out from the Glasgow concert hall, orchestra production of Grit by Martyn Bennett. wOW

[bingo70]

Very honest of you. It's amazing how someone dreams these things up!

It's tomorrow's daily records back page headline so you weren't the only one impressed!

[CropleyWasGod]

What gig? I'M just out from the Glasgow concert hall, orchestra production of Grit by Martyn Bennett. wOW
The very same.

Was pretty special, eh no?

[Iain G]

I see from the news feed on the PM board, some Rangers fans are going to court to stop Ashley ....... well saving them :confused:

Is there any chance they could just crawl off and go and die, please, and put us all out of our misery? :greengrin

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

I wish we were getting to play them tomorrow night

[Ronniekirk]

The very same.

Was pretty special, eh no?
Saw Martyn at The Old Fruit Market in Candleriggs in his prime that was something special but not sure how that raw energy and frenetic pipe playing could be captured by an Orchestra but that probably says more about me Saw a brief extract on the news but it sounded like they were tuning up,.

[jacomo]

It's tomorrow's daily records back page headline so you weren't the only one impressed!

Ah, so it's a copyright Keith Jackson Exclusive then? :wink:

[CropleyWasGod]

Saw Martyn at The Old Fruit Market in Candleriggs in his prime that was something special but not sure how that raw energy and frenetic pipe playing could be captured by an Orchestra but that probably says more about me Saw a brief extract on the news but it sounded like they were tuning up,.
Was less an orchestra, more a collection of musicians that reflected his incredible diversity. Jazz, classical, folk, pipers and the wonderful David Hayman.

[Ronniekirk]

Was less an orchestra, more a collection of musicians that reflected his incredible diversity. Jazz, classical, folk, pipers and the wonderful David Hayman.

David Hayman the Actor ? my son is rehearing with him for Slab Boys at the Citizens Theatre and said they had some down time yesterday as David was going to Celtic Connections ,but my son didn't mention he was performing . He has such a distictive voice

[CropleyWasGod]

David Hayman the Actor ? my son is rehearing with him for Slab Boys at the Citizens Theatre and said they had some down time yesterday as David was going to Celtic Connections ,but my son didn't mention he was performing . He has such a distictive voice
The same. Loved the Slab Boys. Once had a drunken afternoon with John Byrne in Clarindas.

[Ronniekirk]

The same. Loved the Slab Boys. Once had a drunken afternoon with John Byrne in Clarindas.
John is also directing this version Still painting and working 12 hours a day even at his age Therev aren't many Characters like that pair still around and it's good for the younger ones to be able to hear stories and have Thier experience passed down .

[jacomo]

Phil's latest.....

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/gunfight-at-the-ibrox-corral/

I have no idea if he is accurate or not but the picture he paints is extraordinary. If Rangers really has been paying off a large debt to an undisclosed party all this time it makes you think again about the shareholders and the reasons for their involvement.

Also, how can this possibly have not come to light until now?

[CentreLine]

Right! Enough is enough. If you guys want to discuss culture can you start a new thread somewhere appropriate. Every time I see CWG's name appear I get all excited expecting great words of wisdom about financial irregularities and I'm getting Celtic Connections all over the Rangers Meltdown Thread. Get a grip guys the tension is too much for some of us auld gits :rules::slipper:

[CropleyWasGod]

Right! Enough is enough. If you guys want to discuss culture can you start a new thread somewhere appropriate. Every time I see CWG's name appear I get all excited expecting great words of wisdom about financial irregularities and I'm getting Celtic Connections all over the Rangers Meltdown Thread. Get a grip guys the tension is too much for some of us auld gits :rules::slipper:

Hey.

I'm as scoobied as anyone as to what's going on inside the Big Hoose. So, whilst we await clarity, we can have some music.

:cb

[Ronniekirk]

I have no idea if he is accurate or not but the picture he paints is extraordinary. If Rangers really has been paying off a large debt to an undisclosed party all this time it makes you think again about the shareholders and the reasons for their involvement.

Also, how can this possibly have not come to light until now?
Nothing now surprises me about this sordid saga .It seems like anarchy at times and a free for all with the Easdales lurching from day to day , in Total Crisis and doing anything they can short term to cling on to Power . It really is a most unedifying spectacle .
Not being financially savvy myself I can understand how easy it is to get into Financial Difficulty, but there would come a point where I would realise I needed to have a plan to do something about it .

it just seems there is no bigger Strategic Plan apart from hang on ,borrowing more and more, hoping someone else will come in give them money to pay someone else back secured against goodness knows what .
There is a dangerous desparation for those in power wanting to hang on till they get back into the big league where they presumably think the real money can be made .
I know genuine Rangers fans who have just given up going and they despair at what's happening to thier Club .
If there is further wrong doing and financial irregularity it should be outed and there should really be someone looking into this sorry debacle to make sure it can't happen again

i don't want them to come up at our expense ,as to see Hearts and Sevco go up and us not would be a Bitter Pill To Swallow ,and confirm that for all both Clubs problems it all paid off at first time of asking

Both on and off the park the next month will go a long way to giving us some answers about exactly what State they are in ideally hearts Celtic and then us will dismantle them on the Pitch Although by then they might not even own thier Pitch

[jodjam]

It's tomorrow's daily records back page headline so you weren't the only one impressed!

Haha nice one. Usually the only thing the DR gets right is the date

[CentreLine]

Hey.

I'm as scoobied as anyone as to what's going on inside the Big Hoose. So, whilst we await clarity, we can have some music.

:cb

You're always music to me CWG, you need to know that :not worth

[Jim44]

Right! Enough is enough. If you guys want to discuss culture can you start a new thread somewhere appropriate. Every time I see CWG's name appear I get all excited expecting great words of wisdom about financial irregularities and I'm getting Celtic Connections all over the Rangers Meltdown Thread. Get a grip guys the tension is too much for some of us auld gits :rules::slipper:

Many a true word said in jest. There's a thread on FF where a number of punters are suggesting that this whole sorry affair was instigated and orchestrated by Desmond and his 'Celtic' connections.

[jacomo]

Many a true word said in jest. There's a thread on FF where a number of punters are suggesting that this whole sorry affair was instigated and orchestrated by Desmond and his 'Celtic' connections.

Wow. That's quite a conspiracy story.

[Weststandwanab]

Many a true word said in jest. There's a thread on FF where a number of punters are suggesting that this whole sorry affair was instigated and orchestrated by Desmond and his 'Celtic' connections.

This is much more likely http://t.co/gWlQgUXO4i Doncaster at his best

[Iain G]

This is much more likely http://t.co/gWlQgUXO4i Doncaster at his best

This Rob Petrie bloke sounds like a good guy ;-)

Fairly well written story though and opens more cans of worms!

[Billy Whizz]

This Rob Petrie bloke sounds like a good guy ;-)

Fairly well written story though and opens more cans of worms!

Don't have time to read it at the moment, what are the key points

[Liberal Hibby]

Don't have time to read it at the moment, what are the key points

Celtc are saints and it's all a Doncaster/Sevco plot to down the upstanding honourable fighters for truth and justice that are Celtc FC.

[AndyM_1875]

Celtc are saints and it's all a Doncaster/Sevco plot to down the upstanding honourable fighters for truth and justice that are Celtc FC.

The same Celtic whose hypocrite fans howl their outrage at Rangers on Twitter and on blogs but don't actually attend games as the top tier at Parkhead has seen more action from pigeons than actual bums on seats.
The very same Celtic whose owner Mr Desmond called Rangers a great club and wants back in the top flight.

The same Celtic who's CEO Peter Lawell states that every year Rangers are not in the top flight his club loses £10m. He's also had to rip up 2015's Financial Plan as the presence of both group stages Champions League football and Rangers in the Premiership are both looking like non starters meaning the sale of Virgil Van Dijk, the last asset worth a fee is an utter certainty to the first team who wafts 10m in his direction.

The same Celtic who cannot pay 250k to release Gary Mackay-Steven from his contract and have had to sign him on a pre-contract.

:greengrin

[Iain G]

Celtc are saints and it's all a Doncaster/Sevco plot to down the upstanding honourable fighters for truth and justice that are Celtc FC.

Ignoring the pro Celtic spin it paints a bad image of Doncaster in collusion with Craig Whyte...

[Spike Mandela]

The same Celtic whose hypocrite fans howl their outrage at Rangers on Twitter and on blogs but don't actually attend games as the top tier at Parkhead has seen more action from pigeons than actual bums on seats.
The very same Celtic whose owner Mr Desmond called Rangers a great club and wants back in the top flight.

The same Celtic who's CEO Peter Lawell states that every year Rangers are not in the top flight his club loses £10m. He's also had to rip up 2015's Financial Plan as the presence of both group stages Champions League football and Rangers in the Premiership are both looking like non starters meaning the sale of Virgil Van Dijk, the last asset worth a fee is an utter certainty to the first team who wafts 10m in his direction.

The same Celtic who cannot pay 250k to release Gary Mackay-Steven from his contract and have had to sign him on a pre-contract.

:greengrin

:music:Hello, hello we are the........:singing:

[jacomo]

Ignoring the pro Celtic spin it paints a bad image of Doncaster in collusion with Craig Whyte...

And that Doncaster and Regan predicted all sorts of catastrophe if Rangers were not allowed to stay in the top flight (true), that Sky would pull the TV deal if Rangers left the top flight (vehemently denied by Sky) and that their behaviour has harmed Scottish football, making it impossible thus far to attract a sponsor for SPFL (yup, I'll buy that).

Basically, Doncaster is an incompetent and should be sacked. :agree:

Also, that Petrie was the main man trying to push the new SPFL TV channel, prob backed by Celtic, but Rangers collapse scuppered that (again, sounds plausible).

[Bostonhibby]

Apparently Kings bears where planning there move for next week so not surprised that Ashley has made his move.

Thing to remember is that both he and the easedales simply don't give a **** what the fans think, they will do what they want regardless. This plan has been in place for too long for them to just walk away because some rangers men bought shares. If anything, these rangers men losing there money on shares when the club is put into admin will help Ashley increase his grip in the long term.

Be interesting to see if whyte now drops his claims on rangers, a wee rumour I heard today suggests he will. No idea if it's true or not as the source wasn't great.

:agree: Said all along that they are swimming with the sharks now that Ashley and his guys are running rings round the "The rangers men":lolrangers:

Hilarious that the newboy fans seem to intend to take legal action to prevent "legalised theft" as there doesn't actually seem to be anything they themselves can legally do to prevent the stadium being pawned and Ashley doing what he likes with that as well. Fat blokes in England tops F ing about religious leaders and singing about a long dead protestant king etc ain't going to be enough I fear.

Maybe even wee Wullie blue nose might have to do some walking away? http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+wee+wullie+bluenose&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=FC7F9DD3AE34A923106CFC7F9DD3AE34A923106C

[AndyM_1875]

:music:Hello, hello we are the........:singing:

Nope.
Seeing through the agendas and the moronic nonsense of one side of the Old Firm doesn't mean one is pro the other.
They can both stick their bigotry where the sun doesn't shine.

[Bostonhibby]

Nope.
Seeing through the agendas and the moronic nonsense of one side of the Old Firm doesn't mean one is pro the other.
They can both stick their bigotry where the sun doesn't shine.

:agree: Two cheeks, same erse

[grunt]

Basically, Doncaster is an incompetent and should be sacked. :agree:

I think they are saying that Doncaster is actually worse than incompetent.

[brog]

Celtc are saints and it's all a Doncaster/Sevco plot to down the upstanding honourable fighters for truth and justice that are Celtc FC.

The overall premise of the piece is Doncaster & others were aware long before Oldco went to the wall that this was happening & they basically lied or didn't inform interested parties in order to pursue their own agenda of limiting the football damage to Oldco.
TBFto the author he strongly suggests Lawwell was heavily involved in the conspiracy & he seems to abhor the whole concept of the Old Firm. I thought there were some parts of the article which required a leap of faith but I could accept the overall premise.

[Moulin Yarns]

The very same.

Was pretty special, eh no?

Absolutely stunning stuff. The interpretation of the music was incredible.

[blackpoolhibs]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=283087218563317&fref=nf



:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

Seems to be some breaking news with Dave king calling for the boards removal within 21 days

[bingo70]

Seems to be some breaking news with Dave king calling for the boards removal within 21 days

If he can do that, why did he no do that ages ago?

[Billy Whizz]

If he can do that, why did he no do that ages ago?

This is getting too complicated for me. Is this legal?

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/rangers/306704-dave-king-calls-for-rangers-egm-after-mike-ashleys-swoop-for-ibrox/

[bingo70]

This is getting too complicated for me. Is this legal?

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/rangers/306704-dave-king-calls-for-rangers-egm-after-mike-ashleys-swoop-for-ibrox/

It got too complicated for me about 3 years ago

[Andy74]

This is getting too complicated for me. Is this legal?

http://m.stv.tv/sport/football/clubs/rangers/306704-dave-king-calls-for-rangers-egm-after-mike-ashleys-swoop-for-ibrox/

Well there's no such thing as an EGM for starters.

[CropleyWasGod]

Great timing from him though, will stoke the fires a bit more tonight

Yeah, I deleted my post after I saw Andy's, and was going to reword it.

Not sure about the EGM bit... I will defer to Andy there, but it's getting hot.

[CropleyWasGod]

Well there's no such thing as an EGM for starters.

Is that the case, or is it just shoddy reporting from STV?

[Billy Whizz]

Yeah, I deleted my post after I saw Andy's, and was going to reword it.

Not sure about the EGM bit... I will defer to Andy there, but it's getting hot.

I've deleted my post

[CropleyWasGod]

In an aside....from Twitter.

"Hell will freeze over before Mike Ashley takes control of Ibrox".

.... pauses to look at the state of the pitch.... :greengrin

[Famous Fiver]

Was it our friend Mr Regan , or was it Mr Doncaster who predicted' social unrest?'

Seems to be coming true if current BBC reports from outside Ibrox are accurate.

Police horses called in. Horses 1 Crowd 0.

[jodjam]

The genteel patrons of ibrox causing a rammie outside the Ashley Dome just now

[Bostonhibby]

The genteel patrons of ibrox causing a rammie outside the Ashley Dome just now
Hope the newbies have paid glasgows finests bills this time around. Not that they will be too keen to act against their own.

[Andy74]

Is that the case, or is it just shoddy reporting from STV?

Any meeting that isn't an AGM is now just a GM.

[bingo70]

Any meeting that isn't an AGM is now just a GM.

Is there the power in these meetings to get rid of the board?

[Jack]

Any meeting that isn't an AGM is now just a GM.

How appropriate for them. Genetically Modified I assume?

[greenginger]

Whats with the Rangers fans getting their knickers in a twist because a security is being taken out over Ibrox ?

I'm sure LLoyds Bank would have had a security when they were owed £ 20 million + , before Craig Whyte came along.

[Ronniekirk]

Whats with the Rangers fans getting their knickers in a twist because a security is being taken out over Ibrox ?

I'm sure LLoyds Bank would have had a security when they were owed £ 20 million + , before Craig Whyte came along.
It's because it's Ashley that is looking for it Sispect if it was the three bears or King they wouldn't be trying to take the moral high ground .Thev whole situation is now getting cranked up with a view to forcing the Easdales out and letting real Rangers fans put thier money in and take control .

[Wee Scottie Dug]

Is there the power in these meetings to get rid of the board?

Yes, with enough shareholders backing the motion to get rid of the board it can be done ....... Will they get enough backing? Probably yes - with the anti Ashley campaign in full swing! Can they do it before he gets the security of ipox & Murray park? No idea of that one!

[Bostonhibby]

Whats with the Rangers fans getting their knickers in a twist because a security is being taken out over Ibrox ?

I'm sure LLoyds Bank would have had a security when they were owed £ 20 million + , before Craig Whyte came along.

Lloyds bank / HBOS were previously a lot more friendly to the now defunct Glasgow Rangers - not now though, no banks will be without massive guarantees, or massive guarantors in the case of Ashley. Mon big Mike, you know you want to :aok:

[hibees 7062]

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p296x100/10940606_909537565731327_902281387842625118_n.jpg? oh=e26bb0abfb7377223a7fab62c7703866&oe=55283FC3

[Oscar T Grouch]

Interesting article by Speirs on the rangers.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/18/how-the-mighty-glasgow-rangers-have-fallen

[jacomo]

Convicted fraudster and director during Craig Whyte's tenure vows to 'clean up' Rangers.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/rangers-dave-king-s-move-faces-taxing-questions-1-3664643

As article says, the idea that Dave King us the answer is a sick joke.

[Bostonhibby]

Convicted fraudster and director during Craig Whyte's tenure vows to 'clean up' Rangers.

http://m.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/rangers-dave-king-s-move-faces-taxing-questions-1-3664643

As article says, the idea that Dave King us the answer is a sick joke.
Indeed,but the real issue will be whether anyone can pass the new boy fans and the SPFL fat & protestant person test.

Fit & proper had been an irrelevance at the now defunct Glasgow rangers for decades.

[ACLeith]

Of the 2 articles the Scotsman is by far the best, by telling it a bit like it is. As for Spiers, he misses - deliberately or otherwise - the key issues.

"Once the great bastion of Scottish and British football" - I agree that they are a true bunch of "bastions".

"a diehard. Traditional Rangers fans embrace the Union Jack, not just for its colours but for its British/Union significance"
"The Ibrox club for decades practiced a sectarian signing policy, which just about everyone concedes today was embarrassing"
But he fails to mention the equally embarrassing sectarian singing (only one letter different!) - is that not embarrassing then GS? TBB sung before the start on Dec 27th hoping that the TV mics would not pick it up and also on Friday night after the abandonment, presumably hoping the same. Re-reading that, I realise it is probably just natural stupidity on their part

"leaves Wigtown in Scotland’s southwest with his fellow fans for the two-and-a-half hour bus ride up to Glasgow… " - highlights one of the age-old issues without realising he is stating the problem.

GS - a journalist who superficially seems to be clever with words, but is just another Rangers apologist.

[PatHead]

Of the 2 articles the Scotsman is by far the best, by telling it a bit like it is. As for Spiers, he misses - deliberately or otherwise - the key issues.

"Once the great bastion of Scottish and British football" - I agree that they are a true bunch of "bastions".

"a diehard. Traditional Rangers fans embrace the Union Jack, not just for its colours but for its British/Union significance"
"The Ibrox club for decades practiced a sectarian signing policy, which just about everyone concedes today was embarrassing"
But he fails to mention the equally embarrassing sectarian singing (only one letter different!) - is that not embarrassing then GS? TBB sung before the start on Dec 27th hoping that the TV mics would not pick it up and also on Friday night after the abandonment, presumably hoping the same. Re-reading that, I realise it is probably just natural stupidity on their part

"leaves Wigtown in Scotland’s southwest with his fellow fans for the two-and-a-half hour bus ride up to Glasgow… " - highlights one of the age-old issues without realising he is stating the problem.

GS - a journalist who superficially seems to be clever with words, but is just another Rangers apologist.

Also glosses over Murray by basically saying that was how you ran a business then and not that the bank insisted he sell Rangers, hints it was Murray's choice and highlights the Ayr policeman in saying he doesn't blame Murray.

I blame Murray for a lot of the mess our football is in by forcing clubs to overspend if they wanted to keep up.

[ACLeith]

Also glosses over Murray by basically saying that was how you ran a business then and not that the bank insisted he sell Rangers, hints it was Murray's choice and highlights the Ayr policeman in saying he doesn't blame Murray.

I blame Murray for a lot of the mess our football is in by forcing clubs to overspend if they wanted to keep up.

I agree PH. There were more points I could have made on GS but wanted to stop before I lost the will to live! He was NEVER duped by CW over the sale, SDM knew what he was but he had to sell up so would have even sold it to me for £1. Another missed opportunity in my life! Everything he did was to benefit SDM and he is still at it, all IMO of course!

[truehibernian]

Of the 2 articles the Scotsman is by far the best, by telling it a bit like it is. As for Spiers, he misses - deliberately or otherwise - the key issues.

"Once the great bastion of Scottish and British football" - I agree that they are a true bunch of "bastions".

"a diehard. Traditional Rangers fans embrace the Union Jack, not just for its colours but for its British/Union significance"
"The Ibrox club for decades practiced a sectarian signing policy, which just about everyone concedes today was embarrassing"
But he fails to mention the equally embarrassing sectarian singing (only one letter different!) - is that not embarrassing then GS? TBB sung before the start on Dec 27th hoping that the TV mics would not pick it up and also on Friday night after the abandonment, presumably hoping the same. Re-reading that, I realise it is probably just natural stupidity on their part

"leaves Wigtown in Scotland’s southwest with his fellow fans for the two-and-a-half hour bus ride up to Glasgow… " - highlights one of the age-old issues without realising he is stating the problem.

GS - a journalist who superficially seems to be clever with words, but is just another Rangers apologist.

Spiers sadly is no different to every other 'journalist' - Keevins, Jackson, Chick Young, Tom English..........they are all show, no substance. Really what they are, are bloggers and opinionists.......they are not journalists who investigate the issues, who dig deep into the bones of a story.......why........Channel 4 found out why and found them out........they are the strange but regular bedfellows of the Old Firm, players, management, boardroom........

It took the BBC and Mark Daly to uncover The Rangers mess - not one of the sports/football hacks dared to venture into their mirky waters. After all, why would they bite the hands that feed them :wink::agree:

[ACLeith]

It took the BBC and Mark Daly to uncover The Rangers mess - not one of the sports/football hacks dared to venture into their mirky waters. After all, why would they bite the hands that feed them :wink::agree:

I've still got his 2 programmes recorded, I looked at them last summer and it was instructive to view with the benefit of hindsight.

[greenlex]

Anyone giving them a loan that size would want security. What's the big deal? It's a loan. It will be paid back won't it?

[ScottB]

Anyone giving them a loan that size would want security. What's the big deal? It's a loan. It will be paid back won't it?

Owners should pour money in and be happy to never see it again. Certainly seems like that's the hope over there and why they are clamouring for rich fans to own them. Why else would anyone think King was a solution!

Say what you like about Hearts, but at least they turned to a sensible owner after their years of debt and madness. The Rangers support at large haven't learned that lesson, and dream of another Rangers man riding in to start flashing the cash.

[lapsedhibee]

Say what you like about Hearts
Thanks. They're *****.

[PatHead]

Owners should pour money in and be happy to never see it again. Certainly seems like that's the hope over there and why they are clamouring for rich fans to own them. Why else would anyone think King was a solution!

Say what you like about Hearts, but at least they turned to a sensible owner after their years of debt and madness. The Rangers support at large haven't learned that lesson, and dream of another Rangers man riding in to start flashing the cash.

That is almost like a Spiers comment. :tee hee:

She was the only show in town as was Romanov and before that Robinson who only had one other contender (Jim Glass who was a Hibby). Don't know who competed with FTB

[CropleyWasGod]

That is almost like a Spiers comment. :tee hee:

She was the only show in town as was Romanov and before that Robinson who only had one other contender (Jim Glass who was a Hibby). Don't know who competed with FTB
Kenny Waugh?

[lord bunberry]

Any meeting that isn't an AGM is now just a GM.

I've been to an EGM

[PatHead]

Kenny Waugh?

Wonder how life would have panned out if he had got them?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Delighted to say that Richard Gough has joined the RST as a Life Member and Buy
Rangers contributor.


"The RST is delighted to announce that Richard Gough has agreed to join the RST
as a Life Member and contribute to Buy Rangers. The iconic Nine-In-A-Row captain
has joined up to back the fans in their fight for the club ahead of a crucial
upcoming EGM to oust the current board."

[seanshow]

The board has 42 days from the point the EGM is called before any actual decision can be taken to remove them from the club.......spin it right oot Ashley :greengrin then hopefully der hun can go to the wall again.

And long after the transfer window is shut, which is the important thing as far as we are concerned. :wink:

[Andy74]

I've been to an EGM

So have I.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Delighted to say that Richard Gough has joined the RST as a Life Member and Buy
Rangers contributor.


"The RST is delighted to announce that Richard Gough has agreed to join the RST
as a Life Member and contribute to Buy Rangers. The iconic Nine-In-A-Row captain
has joined up to back the fans in their fight for the club ahead of a crucial
upcoming EGM to oust the current board."

Guilt trip

[Bostonhibby]

Delighted to say that Richard Gough has joined the RST as a Life Member and Buy
Rangers contributor.


"The RST is delighted to announce that Richard Gough has agreed to join the RST
as a Life Member and contribute to Buy Rangers. The iconic Nine-In-A-Row captain
has joined up to back the fans in their fight for the club ahead of a crucial
upcoming EGM to oust the current board."

Maybe they want someone with knowledge of EBT's on board?

Ashley must be terrified now though.

[bingo70]

So have I.

Did you not say earlier in the thread there's no such thing as an EGM?

Not for the first time on this thread I'm confused.

[Andy74]

Did you not say earlier in the thread there's no such thing as an EGM?

Not for the first time on this thread I'm confused.

They just aren't called Extraordinary General Meetings any more. The Companies Act 2006 now refers just to Annual General Meetings and General Meetings.

I've been to EGMs. Just not recently.

[CropleyWasGod]

To be fair to Dave King, it wasn't him who used the term. That's the way it's been reported, though.

They just aren't called Extraordinary General Meetings any more. The Companies Act 2006 now refers just to Annual General Meetings and General Meetings.

I've been to EGMs. Just not recently.

[ACLeith]

They just aren't called Extraordinary General Meetings any more. The Companies Act 2006 now refers just to Annual General Meetings and General Meetings.

I've been to EGMs. Just not recently.

Everything about this epic saga is extraordinary!

[Deansy]

Owners should pour money in and be happy to never see it again. Certainly seems like that's the hope over there and why they are clamouring for rich fans to own them. Why else would anyone think King was a solution!

Say what you like about Hearts, but at least they turned to a sensible owner after their years of debt and madness. The Rangers support at large haven't learned that lesson, and dream of another Rangers man riding in to start flashing the cash.

Hearts didn't 'turn to a sensible owner' - they had no say as they were basically up for auction prior to going to the scrapyard. Budge, so far, is doing okay with them but it's early-days yet. Time will tell if she can remain immune to their 'Big team' fantasy ?.

[TrinityHibs]

That is almost like a Spiers comment. :tee hee:

She was the only show in town as was Romanov and before that Robinson who only had one other contender (Jim Glass who was a Hibby). Don't know who competed with FTB

Wasn't just Jim Glass. He was part of a Harry's Bar consortium who cynics may have said were just pushing the price up for FTB

[Weststandwanab]

More fun and games to come





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[bighairyfaeleith]

More fun and games to come





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ha ha ya belter

[Bostonhibby]

More fun and games to come





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Will dodgy Dave even meet the legendary SPFL fit and proper person test?

[CropleyWasGod]

Will dodgy Dave even meet the legendary SPFL fit and proper person test?
It's an SFA test, which Paul Murray will struggle to pass, as he was on the Board of the Oldco.

King et al know all that, which makes me wonder why they're doing it.

[Ronniekirk]

More fun and games to come





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that depends on the content of that next announcement ,and wonder what the time line is .The word Shortly is a strange choice as that suggests imminently .
Wonder if there are plans afoot to up the protests and boycott next home game and put pressure on Easdales and others who have been prepared to prop them up that the tide has turned and this is a power struggle they can't win so let's sit down and thrash out a deal .
Or whether they have just noticed the clause that says they need to be fit and proper to be Directors and realise the criteria may not apply allegedley re King .
What would the cost of holding one of these general meetings ( note the word extraordinary isn't in there ).imagine it's not much in comparison to what else is going to have to be forked outb.
No seat proposed for any of the three Bears iether .
No point in speculating I suppose
as the next statement will maybe give us more of an indication what's going on .

[Bostonhibby]

It's an SFA test, which Paul Murray will struggle to pass, as he was on the Board of the Oldco.

King et al know all that, which makes me wonder why they're doing it.
Cheers cwg I also wondered if kings past could or should be an issue but it's the rangers we are talking about so if whyte and green were accepted why not king. The clowns bike that is the rangers trundles on, the wheels continue to look a bit shoogly though. Bring on the next wage bill

[greenginger]

Cheers cwg I also wondered if kings past could or should be an issue but it's the rangers we are talking about so if whyte and green were accepted why not king. The clowns bike that is the rangers trundles on, the wheels continue to look a bit shoogly though. Bring on the next wage bill


Rangers are an Aims listed company now. A whole new set of rules that can't be fudged.

SFA/SPFL also beefed up their fit and proper person rules after Craig Whyte, but these rules can be fudged or just ignored if required. :greengrin

[Weststandwanab]

It's an SFA test, which Paul Murray will struggle to pass, as he was on the Board of the Oldco.

King et al know all that, which makes me wonder why they're doing it.

I think they have to be seen to be going through the procedures before they come to the obvious conclusion.

[Bostonhibby]

Rangers are an Aims listed company now. A whole new set of rules that can't be fudged.

SFA/SPFL also beefed up their fit and proper person rules after Craig Whyte, but these rules can be fudged or just ignored if required. :greengrin
Ah yes, the "derogation" escape clause for big clubs [emoji1]

[Iain G]

It's an SFA test, which Paul Murray will struggle to pass, as he was on the Board of the Oldco.

King et al know all that, which makes me wonder why they're doing it.

So take out one lot of gorged, self centred, incompetant egomaniacs and swap em for another lot of self centered egomaniacs which includes one person who has already been proven to be incompetant at boardroom level with Rangers, how does this rate as things getting better?! Lol

[Weststandwanab]

And there's more !

Here's the SFA report on Whyte, Bain and SDM's claim of being "duped". I wonder who the "other board members" were


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[lord bunberry]

They just aren't called Extraordinary General Meetings any more. The Companies Act 2006 now refers just to Annual General Meetings and General Meetings.

I've been to EGMs. Just not recently.

It was 2 years ago I was at one

[lapsedhibee]

And there's more !

Here's the SFA report on Whyte, Bain and SDM's claim of being "duped". I wonder who the "other board members" were


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7s8r5vIEAATHMh.jpg

2001? :confused:

[Jim44]

And there's more !

Here's the SFA report on Whyte, Bain and SDM's claim of being "duped". I wonder who the "other board members" were


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7s8r5vIEAATHMh.jpg

You would have thought the SFA would have got their dates right. It states that Whyte was the 'mind' of Rangers from 2001. ?????

[jacomo]

Rangers are an Aims listed company now. A whole new set of rules that can't be fudged.

SFA/SPFL also beefed up their fit and proper person rules after Craig Whyte, but these rules can be fudged or just ignored if required. :greengrin

Dave King is barred from being a director twice over - he's a convict, and he was on the Board last time Rangers went bust. He also failed to raise concerns about Whyte (which he was obliged to do) despite the Rangers chairman signalling the alarm when he realised Whyte had no funds to back up his claims.

[ancient hibee]

Neither King nor Paul Murray can be accepted as a Director as they were Directors of a member club in an insolvency event within the last 5 years.

[JimBHibees]

Neither King nor Paul Murray can be accepted as a Director as they were Directors of a member club in an insolvency event within the last 5 years.

I am assuming David Southern isnt on the Dundee United board despite being General Manager at the club?

[Callum_62]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-board-defends-ibrox-stadium-5002238

Significant funds to enhance the squad

they better get a shifty on with that - 2 weeks to go

[Andy74]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-board-defends-ibrox-stadium-5002238

Significant funds to enhance the squad

they better get a shifty on with that - 2 weeks to go

Oh dear, its still all about investing to improve the squad.

They could try utilising the second biggest budget (by a mile) in Scotland a wee bit better?

[AndyM_1875]

Oh dear, its still all about investing to improve the squad.

They could try utilising the second biggest budget (by a mile) in Scotland a wee bit better?

There is no danger Rangers are going to challenge for promotion.

I firmly believe Hibs will finish second and if Rangers get past QoS/Falkirk we'll rip them apart in the play offs. Look rationally at it, consider the previous results and the fact that we have momentum behind us and they have a squad loaded with aging past it players who'll be out of contract and no chance they'll get a new one.

For Rangers it'll be another year in the championship and at least the chance to rebuild in the summer with a younger cheaper squad. If they do it right they'll go up in 2016.

[CropleyWasGod]

I am assuming David Southern isnt on the Dundee United board despite being General Manager at the club?

According to Companies House, Southern wasn't on the Board at Hearts.

[The_Todd]

Rangers are the original credit junkies. It doesn't matter how many times and how badly it blows up in their faces they just can't get enough of getting out the credit card and loan agreements.

[Bostonhibby]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-board-defends-ibrox-stadium-5002238

Significant funds to enhance the squad

they better get a shifty on with that - 2 weeks to go
Cos they haven't spent enough to get where they are now! Would have been cheaper to buy the yams 4 times over

[plhibs]

There is no danger Rangers are going to challenge for promotion.

I firmly believe Hibs will finish second and if Rangers get past QoS/Falkirk we'll rip them apart in the play offs. Look rationally at it, consider the previous results and the fact that we have momentum behind us and they have a squad loaded with aging past it players who'll be out of contract and no chance they'll get a new one.

For Rangers it'll be another year in the championship and at least the chance to rebuild in the summer with a younger cheaper squad. If they do it right they'll go up in 2016.

I would be really worried about anyone having to play the new team in a playoff. Certain people at the top are desperate to see them in the top league, plus you have the refs. to help them.

[Iain G]

I would be really worried about anyone having to play the new team in a playoff. Certain people at the top are desperate to see them in the top league, plus you have the refs. to help them.

Will be hard for them to lop off all eight of our goals in the away leg ;-)

[grunt]

Good to see @RangersTaxCase tweeting again.

[AndyM_1875]

I would be really worried about anyone having to play the new team in a playoff. Certain people at the top are desperate to see them in the top league, plus you have the refs. to help them.

I'm sure the likes of Doncaster,Regan & Lawell are desperate for Rangers to be back up so they can start flogging brand OldFirm again but the team simply isn't equipped to handle the play offs. Their team is old, full of disinterested has been players seeing out their contracts and there's a total lack of pace

Hibs will tear them apart and there's nothing the footballing establishment can do about that.

[Iain G]

Hibs will tear them apart and there's nothing the footballing establishment can do about that.

Assuming they get past Falkirk or QoS first :greengrin

[grunt]

alex thomson ‏@alextomo 31m31 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/557272794346823680) Can it really be that a convicted tax fraudster is seriously bidding to take over Rangers after everything Ibrox has been dragged thru?

[CB_NO3]

McDowall leaves Rangers 😃

[Ronniekirk]

Kenny McDowell just resigned Citing personal reasons Sky Sports

[silverhibee]

Kenny McDowall resigns as caretaker manager.

[God Petrie]

This really is amazing.

[Ronniekirk]

McDowall leaves Rangers 
Beat me to it

[Iain G]

Kenny McDowall resigns as caretaker manager.

Wonder if they have someone lined up, should we be worried its someone decent, or is Durrant about to take over :greengrin

[bingo70]

McDowall leaves Rangers 😃

Not sure if that's good news or bad news. I think he was going to be pretty ***** and sounds like he's quit so will be off the payroll.

If they can get someone like Ian cathro in on the same wage it'll probably be good for them.

[CB_NO3]

Not sure if that's good news or bad news. I think he was going to be pretty ***** and sounds like he's quit so will be off the payroll.

If they can get someone like Ian cathro in on the same wage it'll probably be good for them.
Who?

Edit: I know who your talking about, the valencia number 2? Would he leave Valencia to take over at Rangers?

[silverhibee]

Wonder if they have someone lined up, should we be worried its someone decent, or is Durrant about to take over :greengrin

Durrant was my first thought :greengrin

[God Petrie]

Thanks McDowell for that memorable first match as manager xx

[bingo70]

Who?

Valencia assistant manager, been linked with the Huns recently.

Never played to any standard but meant to be very good coach.

[Radium]

Durrant was my first thought :greengrin

Thought he had been demoted to U20s with Durie moved into Assistant post

[Ronniekirk]

Who?

Edit: I know who your talking about, the valencia number 2? Would he leave Valencia to take over at Rangers?
Assistant manager Valencia I think was reported a few weeks ago A lot of rangers fans I know have been saying that McDowell going was in the pipeline before end of month so beginning to wonder if some truth in what they were saying or whether it has been totally his decision .

[grunt]

It appears that this move is intended to strengthen McCoist's gardening squad.

[portycabbage]

BBC saying he'll serve his 12 month's notice!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30890967

[Iain G]

Thought he had been demoted to U20s with Durie moved into Assistant post

Durie not out too? :wink:

[silverhibee]

Dennis Wise

[Ozyhibby]

12 months notice :-)
Nice one Kenny.

[Iain G]

BBC saying he'll serve his 12 month's notice!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30890967

You just can't make this up!

Terry Butcher being mentioned anywhere yet, they could do a garden swap!

[bigwheel]

No real surprise . That "mad as a big of frogs" Board didn't give any sense that they were backing McDowall. They seemed to spend most of their time looking for his replacement

[Billy Whizz]

BBC saying he'll serve his 12 month's notice!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30890967

Playing a flanker. Another one on garden leave

[portycabbage]

A statement on the club website read: "Kenny McDowall has tendered his resignation as caretaker manager of Rangers Football Club, citing personal reasons for stepping down.
"Kenny, who has been a fantastic servant of the club, will serve his 12-month notice period, during which time he will remain 100% committed to his normal duties. The club respects Kenny’s decision and he will continue to have the full support of everybody at Rangers."

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9652845/Rangers-caretaker-boss-Kenny-McDowall-quits-citing-personal-reasons
(http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9652845/Rangers-caretaker-boss-Kenny-McDowall-quits-citing-personal-reasons)
You have to wonder what his "normal duties" are if he's stepped down - assisting someone else?

[Green Man]

I can't think of another time a caretaker manager has quit. Anyone?

[ChooseLife]

:faf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4unxbum9Pk

[SteveHFC]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2s1rh8p.gif

[OsloHibs]

:faf:

Fingers crossed we get Butcher of our pay role.

[Pretty Boy]

They really are just a great big joke now aren't they. What a shambles.

Hopefully we can take advantage and grab that 2nd spot

[Iain G]

A statement on the club website read: "Kenny McDowall has tendered his resignation as caretaker manager of Rangers Football Club, citing personal reasons for stepping down.
"Kenny, who has been a fantastic servant of the club, will serve his 12-month notice period, during which time he will remain 100% committed to his normal duties. The club respects Kenny’s decision and he will continue to have the full support of everybody at Rangers."

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9652845/Rangers-caretaker-boss-Kenny-McDowall-quits-citing-personal-reasons

Does that mean he stays on as caretaker manager?!

[matty_f]

Beat me to it

When were you going to leave Rangers?

[bingo70]

Does that mean he stays on as caretaker manager?!

Looks like it.

Shan *******s

[Billy Whizz]

They really are just a great big joke now aren't they. What a shambles.

Hopefully we can take advantage and grab that 2nd spot

I wish this was next month. Hoping Ashley doesn't give the dosh and they get to sign a few loan players this month. Really think the SPFL should be finding a way to hit them with a signing ban

[silverhibee]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2s1rh8p.gif

:faf:

[SteveHFC]

Rangers Media is comedy gold right now

http://i.imgur.com/DOqLXrt.gif

[Sergey]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2s1rh8p.gif

Quality, Steve.

[Bronson]

The sooner this tragic tribute act closes it's doors for the last time the better, what a laughing stock they've become.

[SteveHFC]

http://i33.tinypic.com/xpx8h3.gif

Step up and play

[NOLA]

A statement on the club website read: "Kenny McDowall has tendered his resignation as caretaker manager of Rangers Football Club, citing personal reasons for stepping down.
"Kenny, who has been a fantastic servant of the club, will serve his 12-month notice period, during which time he will remain 100% committed to his normal duties. The club respects Kenny’s decision and he will continue to have the full support of everybody at Rangers."

http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9652845/Rangers-caretaker-boss-Kenny-McDowall-quits-citing-personal-reasons
(http://www.football365.com/news/21554/9652845/Rangers-caretaker-boss-Kenny-McDowall-quits-citing-personal-reasons)
You have to wonder what his "normal duties" are if he's stepped down - assisting someone else?
someone has to lay out the cones :wink:

[Billy Whizz]

Thats Ashley got 2 clubs with no Managers.

[Jack]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2s1rh8p.gif

You really need that without the statue ;-)

... and the speech balloon pointing outside the photo.

Or one of these modern gif things with him jumping aff!

[Sergey]

Thats Ashley got 2 clubs with no Managers.

Yet he's paying for three.

They are certainly not on 'Zero Hour' contracts - unless that's in their goals scored terms.

[jacomo]

BBC saying he'll serve his 12 month's notice!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30890967

Has he just negotiated himself a pay rise? Did Swally talk him into it?

'Hey Kenny, it's brawl They'll put you on gardening leave and then you can come out drinking with me!'

[green glory]

There's going to be a hell of a lot of daffs in Govan this spring.

[Ronniekirk]

When were you going to leave Rangers?
Ha Ha Thought I was going to be first to post the news but the other guy beat me to it .

But looks like plenty folk want to Leave them in the Lurch and take money out the Club The greedy Directors have set a precedent and others are now following Seems everyone is doing walking away now :wink:

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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[Radium]

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Stan Collymore ‏@StanCollymore (https://twitter.com/StanCollymore) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/557318848920424450)
Beautiful arrangement at Kew last year. Gorgeous.
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[silverhibee]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-legend-ally-mccoist-banned-5001714

[jacomo]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-legend-ally-mccoist-banned-5001714

Or he could just make a modest donation from his enormous pay packet? Nah!

[SteveHFC]

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[Deansy]

And there's more !

Here's the SFA report on Whyte, Bain and SDM's claim of being "duped". I wonder who the "other board members" were


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7s8r5vIEAATHMh.jpg

Whyte in charge 2001 ? If this ends up in court, could this 'Error' be a purposeful-mistake as the GFA would be able to say they found them guilty but no action taken against them because the case could/would be stopped due to the wrong-date/technicality ??

[Iain G]

One of them Easedale boys buying up some more shares...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30893253

[spike220]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V0GSO3o5Ic

[Jim44]

alex thomson ‏@alextomo 31m31 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/557272794346823680) Can it really be that a convicted tax fraudster is seriously bidding to take over Rangers after everything Ibrox has been dragged thru?

King is reported saying that he will have no problems overcoming the question mark about his suitability to take the helm at the The Rangers. Having a person like him in control is like Myra Hindley becoming head teacher of the local primary school.

[Ronniekirk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V0GSO3o5Ic
Love the bit where he says even Hibs made an arse out of us .We used to have a saying No Surrender but now I do Srrender and scene cuts to a woman crying outside the room and the other woman puts her arm round her to console her and says He doesn't mean it We are Still The People brilliant

[Spike Mandela]

King is reported saying that he will have no problems overcoming the question mark about his suitability to take the helm at the The Rangers. Having a person like him in control is like Myra Hindley becoming head teacher of the local primary school.

Hopefully the SFA won't listen to a compliant Rangers friendly media but by the same token won't be swayed by forums and opinions of opposition fans but surely they will have to listen to the verdicts of the South African courts........

An appeal against the bulk of the tax debt was dismissed last October. In a devastating judgment, the court said King "has no respect for the truth and does not hesitate to lie ... if he thinks it will be to his advantage.

"He is a mendacious witness whose evidence should not be accepted on any issue unless it is supported by objective evidence.

"In our assessment he is a glib and shameless liar

[brog]

Hopefully the SFA won't listen to a compliant Rangers friendly media but by the same token won't be swayed by forums and opinions of opposition fans but surely they will have to listen to the verdicts of the South African courts........

An appeal against the bulk of the tax debt was dismissed last October. In a devastating judgment, the court said King "has no respect for the truth and does not hesitate to lie ... if he thinks it will be to his advantage.

"He is a mendacious witness whose evidence should not be accepted on any issue unless it is supported by objective evidence.

"In our assessment he is a glib and shameless liar

He sounds perfect!

[Bostonhibby]

He sounds perfect!

Yep, definitely warming to him, he could be the ideal man to hurtle The rangers towards their latest liquidation in around 6 months whilst simultaneously damaging their image further in the world outside that very special place that all fans of the new boys live in.

I was hoping Ashley got to annoy them for a bit longer but wouldn't be too upset if King knocks him out the way. How will the SFA/SPFL make this guy into a fit and proper person though? unless the test means are they fit and proper to the particular club, if so its job done.

[JimBHibees]

Love the bit where he says even Hibs made an arse out of us .We used to have a saying No Surrender but now I do Srrender and scene cuts to a woman crying outside the room and the other woman puts her arm round her to console her and says He doesn't mean it We are Still The People brilliant

Where do I go now? Tynecastle? :faf::faf:

[Bostonhibby]

Where do I go now? Tynecastle? :faf::faf:

He should be okay now that the Russians have gone.

[green glory]

According to Scotzine there are rumours Chuckles Green's been arrested. Not sure my bladder can take much more this week.

:hilarious:hilarious:hilarious

[EdinMike]

Love the bit where he says even Hibs made an arse out of us .We used to have a saying No Surrender but now I do Srrender and scene cuts to a woman crying outside the room and the other woman puts her arm round her to console her and says He doesn't mean it We are Still The People brilliant

I'm sure I watched this a few years back when it was done, but I still found that hilarious :greengrin