London Cyclist - what a dick

[easty]

Anyone else had a look at this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087312/How-cyclist-got-away-jumping-red-light-tongue-tied-policeman-failed-arrest-grab-head-camera-filming-row.html

That cyclist is a tit.

[RyeSloan]

Anyone else had a look at this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087312/How-cyclist-got-away-jumping-red-light-tongue-tied-policeman-failed-arrest-grab-head-camera-filming-row.html

That cyclist is a tit.


One of the comments on the story:

Whilst I agree the cyclist is am arrogent sod, this is a prime example of a well below par police officer who clearly does not know the law he is meant to uphold. He should be versed in the rules of the road traffic act and be able to recite and apply them precisely to an offender such as this idiot cyclist. If he had done so the smarl alec would not have got away with and be free to carry on break the rule of road usage. As in all walks of life merely putting on the uniform does not make you a policeman you have to know your business othewise you are just an empty vessel.....


Have to agree, if the Policeman doesn't know what he is meant to be enforcing nor what requirement is placed on the cyclist by law in terms of giving details etc then it's not the cyclist who is the d*ck but the policeman.

[CropleyWasGod]

Anyone else had a look at this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2087312/How-cyclist-got-away-jumping-red-light-tongue-tied-policeman-failed-arrest-grab-head-camera-filming-row.html

That cyclist is a tit.

He may be, but the polisman is an even bigger one. IDCOPPLAN indeed. :rolleyes:

[easty]

The policeman knows the guy has broken the law, the fact he doesnt know the exact wording of the law, word-for-word, is unfortunate but he was still in the right.

My work has countless policies I have adhere to and use daily. I don't know the exact wording in them, nor am I expected to. Are the police expected to know every law, word-for-word? That's a serious question and I genuinely don't know. I would assume not though.

[easty]

He may be, but the polisman is an even bigger one. IDCOPPLAN indeed. :rolleyes:

That was probably pretty foolish of him.:agree:

[Lofarl]

Fair play to the guy. Most people would brick it and do anything a policeman would tell them to do. So what he allegedly ran a red light. Big deal. Maybe some people could learn from this guy next time you are at a football game and some jumped up mini Hitler steward or policeman starts baring orders.

What do you think would happen to any of us if we whacked a policeman's head camera like that. We'd get a punch in the ribs faster than you can say Newspaper vendor.

[Elephant Stone]

If a policeman couldn't tell me what authority he had for telling me to do something I think I'd be telling him to **** off as well. If the police were all completely honest and applied the law perfectly to their jobs then there would be no issue but this isn't the case and some police will expect you do something because they wear a uniform, not necessarily because you're legally obliged to. They're not law makers.

[Beefster]

Fair play to the guy. Most people would brick it and do anything a policeman would tell them to do. So what he allegedly ran a red light. Big deal. Maybe some people could learn from this guy next time you are at a football game and some jumped up mini Hitler steward or policeman starts baring orders.

What do you think would happen to any of us if we whacked a policeman's head camera like that. We'd get a punch in the ribs faster than you can say Newspaper vendor.

About twenty years ago, a cyclist that I used to work beside cycled straight through a red light and caused an accident that resulted in a couple of folk (none of them being the cyclist) requiring hospital treatment. I'm fairly sure that was considered a big deal.

[easty]

If a policeman couldn't tell me what authority he had for telling me to do something I think I'd be telling him to **** off as well. If the police were all completely honest and applied the law perfectly to their jobs then there would be no issue but this isn't the case and some police will expect you do something because they wear a uniform, not necessarily because you're legally obliged to. They're not law makers.

In what way was this policeman making the law up himself? The cyclist went through a red light, the policeman pulled him up for it.

[Elephant Stone]

In what way was this policeman making the law up himself? The cyclist went through a red light, the policeman pulled him up for it.

I'm saying that if I was asked by a policeman who didn't know what the law was I'd do the same thing, I'm not saying this policeman was making the law up in this case, although maybe he is, I'm pretty sure there's no law called IDCOPPLAN which says that cyclists need to produce their passports on request by a policeman, or is there?

[speedy_gonzales]

Fair play to the guy. Most people would brick it and do anything a policeman would tell them to do.
Aye, maybe that's what I should have done a few years back.
Not bicycle related in anyway, but I was walking home down Broomhouse Road on my way to Corstorphine on a Friday night after a few beers. I had just passed what 'was' the high rise flats when I was aware of a car pull off the road and onto the pavement, I moved over but it kept coming up behind me. Eventually I turned around to see it was a Police car, both occupants got out and started asking the questions.
"Where have you been?",,"Out" was the reply,
"Where you going?",,"Home" was the answer,
"What's your name?",,"John"
"John what",,"no, just John."
They started to get very, VERY frustrated, I refused to give them any more details, which I'm entitled to do unless they offer to arrest me, they didn't,
They then wanted to search me under section 44, I asked for a written record, they refused so I refused to comply with the search.
The 2 PC's proceeded to throw me to the ground, with very little resistance from me, one then knelt on my back and pulled my right arm straight then up. In doing so they 'burst' my shoulder and were made aware of that by me screaming(not ashamed to admit it).
Then, a 2nd vehicle arrived, single PC stepped out, said "That's not him", first 2 PC's stood me up and told me to go straight home but advised that the next time I was stopped I should comply?!?
1 hospital visit later with confirmed 'ac joint' damage, was off work for 7 weeks. I put in a complaint about the officers behaviour but apparently there was no Police in the area at that time according to the radio logs. It was Sighthill, Friday around half 11 at night, yer, that sounded plausible!?!
Nothing ever came of it but everyone, and I mean EVERYone that I have mentioned this to say I was in the wrong.
I wasn't anti-police then and am not anti-police now but just feel we should make more of an effort to stand up for our basic rights. I reckon I was only treated that way because of where I was stopped, no other reason.

[stoneyburn hibs]

They were both dicks , the horny for not having a scooby on how to have properly dealt with situation , and the cyclist simply for running the red light , that really grinds me .

Good example of the police alienating themselves , reminds me of an "incident" i/family had a couple of years ago , im not anti-police , but the officer involved certainly made an impression on my sons.

[Peevemor]

Fair play to the guy. Most people would brick it and do anything a policeman would tell them to do. So what he allegedly ran a red light. Big deal. Maybe some people could learn from this guy next time you are at a football game and some jumped up mini Hitler steward or policeman starts baring orders.

What do you think would happen to any of us if we whacked a policeman's head camera like that. We'd get a punch in the ribs faster than you can say Newspaper vendor.

:rolleyes:

[Wembley67]

Fair play to the guy. Most people would brick it and do anything a policeman would tell them to do. So what he allegedly ran a red light. Big deal. Maybe some people could learn from this guy next time you are at a football game and some jumped up mini Hitler steward or policeman starts baring orders.

What do you think would happen to any of us if we whacked a policeman's head camera like that. We'd get a punch in the ribs faster than you can say Newspaper vendor.

Difference being you clearly do not have a basic understanding of the law.

[Sir David Gray]

Fair play to the guy. Most people would brick it and do anything a policeman would tell them to do. So what he allegedly ran a red light. Big deal. Maybe some people could learn from this guy next time you are at a football game and some jumped up mini Hitler steward or policeman starts baring orders.

What do you think would happen to any of us if we whacked a policeman's head camera like that. We'd get a punch in the ribs faster than you can say Newspaper vendor.

Astonishing...:confused:

You do realise that going through a red light is an offence for a reason?


Aye, maybe that's what I should have done a few years back.
Not bicycle related in anyway, but I was walking home down Broomhouse Road on my way to Corstorphine on a Friday night after a few beers. I had just passed what 'was' the high rise flats when I was aware of a car pull off the road and onto the pavement, I moved over but it kept coming up behind me. Eventually I turned around to see it was a Police car, both occupants got out and started asking the questions.
"Where have you been?",,"Out" was the reply,
"Where you going?",,"Home" was the answer,
"What's your name?",,"John"
"John what",,"no, just John."
They started to get very, VERY frustrated, I refused to give them any more details, which I'm entitled to do unless they offer to arrest me, they didn't,
They then wanted to search me under section 44, I asked for a written record, they refused so I refused to comply with the search.
The 2 PC's proceeded to throw me to the ground, with very little resistance from me, one then knelt on my back and pulled my right arm straight then up. In doing so they 'burst' my shoulder and were made aware of that by me screaming(not ashamed to admit it).
Then, a 2nd vehicle arrived, single PC stepped out, said "That's not him", first 2 PC's stood me up and told me to go straight home but advised that the next time I was stopped I should comply?!?
1 hospital visit later with confirmed 'ac joint' damage, was off work for 7 weeks. I put in a complaint about the officers behaviour but apparently there was no Police in the area at that time according to the radio logs. It was Sighthill, Friday around half 11 at night, yer, that sounded plausible!?!
Nothing ever came of it but everyone, and I mean EVERYone that I have mentioned this to say I was in the wrong.
I wasn't anti-police then and am not anti-police now but just feel we should make more of an effort to stand up for our basic rights. I reckon I was only treated that way because of where I was stopped, no other reason.

They were clearly looking for someone at the time and perhaps if you had just given your full name, instead of being awkward, they would have quickly realised that you were not the suspect they were after, they would have moved on and left you to get on your way and you wouldn't have been off your work for 7 weeks with shoulder damage.

Surely you must appreciate that with you being difficult, when they asked you what your name was, that must have raised their suspicions a bit that you were the person that they were after?

[Lofarl]

Of course I do. The point I'm making is that everyone has broken the law in someway either big or small. I'd hardly call running a red light that had no consequence the crime of the century. If and this is a purely hypothetical if here. If you ran a red light and thought you had a chance of getting away with a fine. Would you take it?

I could be wrong and he's a Islamic fundamentalist pedophile asylum seeker. Oh and also a Man City fan.

[speedy_gonzales]

They were clearly looking for someone at the time and perhaps if you had just given your full name, instead of being awkward, they would have quickly realised that you were not the suspect they were after, they would have moved on and left you to get on your way and you wouldn't have been off your work for 7 weeks with shoulder damage.

Surely you must appreciate that with you being difficult, when they asked you what your name was, that must have raised their suspicions a bit that you were the person that they were after?
That seems to be the general consensus, BUT, out of the 4 persons (3 police + me), I was the one playing within the law. The police have no right to ask you details without reason, if they want to clarify identity then there are ways of doing this, citing S44 is not one of them. Had they went about their jobs properly I would have complied as much as I was duty bound to.
Regardless, the attempt at physical restraint was not commensurate with the preceding verbal exchange, I was not resisting as at no point was I told I was under arrest, I had however frustrated the 2 police officers as they had shown themselves up. They thought that by being in uniform alone was enough to stop and harass an innocent(we are all innocent off course:agree:) member of the public. They did not follow procedure and seem surprised that someone in Sighthill might know more about procedure than them.
Would I be 'awkward' again, probably, I'm not anti-establishment, I just like people to follow the rules!

[Hainan Hibs]

I've got to 1 minute 7 seconds. What a total twat the cyclist is.

Edit: Watched a bit more. The guy ran a red light, he should take the rap and get on with it. Instead, he decides to act the smug knob that the majority of cyclists are in the this country.


Tit.

[CropleyWasGod]

I've got to 1 minute 7 seconds. What a total twat the cyclist is.

Edit: Watched a bit more. The guy ran a red light, he should take the rap and get on with it. Instead, he decides to act the smug knob that the majority of cyclists are in the this country.


Tit.

Stereotype much?

[Hainan Hibs]

Stereotype much?

It's best to leave that use of language to 14 year old girls:agree:

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Of course I do. The point I'm making is that everyone has broken the law in someway either big or small. I'd hardly call running a red light that had no consequence the crime of the century. If and this is a purely hypothetical if here. If you ran a red light and thought you had a chance of getting away with a fine. Would you take it?

I could be wrong and he's a Islamic fundamentalist pedophile asylum seeker. Oh and also a Man City fan.

It also depends how he ran the red light. If he went flying through while people were crossing the road then that's quite different to skipping a red light on an empty street. I cycle to work through London and see cyclists skipping red lights on a daily basis. It's fine unless it's dangerous and common sense should dictate whether a fine is given, not simply because a law is broken. The guy in the video does sound like a bit of a tit though and I can understand the policeman being reluctant to arrest him while being filmed as its there's probably some ridiculous law that means the cyclist can sue him.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's best to leave that use of language to 14 year old girls:agree:

Sure. And I'll leave you to use the knobs and tits. :aok:

[lyonhibs]

Fair play to the guy. Most people would brick it and do anything a policeman would tell them to do. So what he allegedly ran a red light. Big deal. Maybe some people could learn from this guy next time you are at a football game and some jumped up mini Hitler steward or policeman starts baring orders.

What do you think would happen to any of us if we whacked a policeman's head camera like that. We'd get a punch in the ribs faster than you can say Newspaper vendor.

Does a red light not mean "Stop" if you're on the road, be that in a car or a bike?? Must just be me then. As a pedestrian, it drives me nuts when I'm crossing a road at a green man and I have to bodyswerve an ignorant cyclist (generally not wearing a helmet either I hasten to add)

Do they think they are above the Highway Code??

In this case, the policeman is clearly a clueless incompetent, but - in general - a percentage of cyclists act like ********s with seemingly no consequence.

[Sir David Gray]

That seems to be the general consensus, BUT, out of the 4 persons (3 police + me), I was the one playing within the law. The police have no right to ask you details without reason, if they want to clarify identity then there are ways of doing this, citing S44 is not one of them. Had they went about their jobs properly I would have complied as much as I was duty bound to.
Regardless, the attempt at physical restraint was not commensurate with the preceding verbal exchange, I was not resisting as at no point was I told I was under arrest, I had however frustrated the 2 police officers as they had shown themselves up. They thought that by being in uniform alone was enough to stop and harass an innocent(we are all innocent off course:agree:) member of the public. They did not follow procedure and seem surprised that someone in Sighthill might know more about procedure than them.
Would I be 'awkward' again, probably, I'm not anti-establishment, I just like people to follow the rules!

I would say that, given the details you've provided here, they did have a valid reason for stopping you. It would appear that they were obviously looking for someone who had been suspected of committing a crime and you had matched the description of this guy in some way.

I've never been stopped and searched myself, however I can understand how it must be very inconvenient and it can't be nice to be thought of as being a suspected criminal, if you're entirely innocent.

However, if you haven't done anything wrong, two minutes should be enough to prove your innocence and then you get on your way and allow the police to try and catch the real bad guys.

Two minutes of inconvenience and a bit of embarrassment vs 7 weeks off work with a busted shoulder and all the pain that goes with it.

It's surely a no-brainer.

[RyeSloan]

I would say that, given the details you've provided here, they did have a valid reason for stopping you. It would appear that they were obviously looking for someone who had been suspected of committing a crime and you had matched the description of this guy in some way.

I've never been stopped and searched myself, however I can understand how it must be very inconvenient and it can't be nice to be thought of as being a suspected criminal, if you're entirely innocent.

However, if you haven't done anything wrong, two minutes should be enough to prove your innocence and then you get on your way and allow the police to try and catch the real bad guys.

Two minutes of inconvenience and a bit of embarrassment vs 7 weeks off work with a busted shoulder and all the pain that goes with it.

It's surely a no-brainer.


So although the guy was innocently walking along the road, had nothing to do with any crime and only gave the responses he is required to it's his fault he got a busted shoulder for 7 weeks....:confused:

[wpj]

Was stopped in Liverpool Lime St station and asked for ID, when i refused i was told i would be taken to the police cells until i did. Not sure if they could or not but my train was due so i gave my details and they ran a check on me, was P'd off but couldn't be bothered with the hassle, also there was a few of them there not just one who couldn't communicate like the one in the video. The reason was one thought they recognised me from a robbery, what i could never understand was just because i didn't have a record didn't mean i couldn't have done it!!

Anyways, i think the cop was dim but the cyclist was an arrogant nob, unfortunately he's not the only one here in London

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Found the link below on the BBC London website...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24028810-cyclist-says-hes-sorry-over-film-of-run-in-with-pc.do

[Peevemor]

Found the link below on the BBC London website...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24028810-cyclist-says-hes-sorry-over-film-of-run-in-with-pc.do


... my tone was not loving and compassionate and for that I apologise.

Very sincere.

[Speedy]

It also depends how he ran the red light. If he went flying through while people were crossing the road then that's quite different to skipping a red light on an empty street. I cycle to work through London and see cyclists skipping red lights on a daily basis. It's fine unless it's dangerous and common sense should dictate whether a fine is given, not simply because a law is broken. The guy in the video does sound like a bit of a tit though and I can understand the policeman being reluctant to arrest him while being filmed as its there's probably some ridiculous law that means the cyclist can sue him.

It doesn't stop them on night cops, and if you've ever watched that you'll know what happens to people that touch the police camera.

[The Green Goblin]

I would say that, given the details you've provided here, they did have a valid reason for stopping you. It would appear that they were obviously looking for someone who had been suspected of committing a crime and you had matched the description of this guy in some way.

I've never been stopped and searched myself, however I can understand how it must be very inconvenient and it can't be nice to be thought of as being a suspected criminal, if you're entirely innocent.

However, if you haven't done anything wrong, two minutes should be enough to prove your innocence and then you get on your way and allow the police to try and catch the real bad guys.

Two minutes of inconvenience and a bit of embarrassment vs 7 weeks off work with a busted shoulder and all the pain that goes with it

It's surely a no-brainer.

Would you say the actions of the officers in busting the boy's shoulder were justified under the circumstances then? Can we all reasonably expect similar treatment if we don't answer questions to their satisfaction whilst making our way back to our homes of an evening?