Hibs transfer rumours

[truehibernian]

Does anyone other than PF rate Doyle?

Doyle reminds me of Kenny Miller. He (Eion) is a very intelligent off the ball footballer. Watch his movement closely in games, in particular watch how he always plays with his head up and remains onside. Makes use of space well, loses markers, looks across the line, gets in behind.

Against Dunfermline he also ran into the channels, picking up the ball, and importantly retaining it. He needs however a quicker player than GOC to play alongside, and a player who holds the ball up better. Leigh and Doyle would be a terrific partnership, however this would rely on a good, quick passing game - neither will win very many ariel battles.

Doyle will be a mainstay next season I think.

[The Sea-gull]

He'll likely get many better offers than anything we'd be willing/able to give him.

Besides, don't think I have ever known a player to become so entrenched in yammishness and yammery so quickly over such a short period of time. Nothing against us signing ex-yams but there are certain ones that I could not face having to support and despite his short stay there, he is one of them.

Yeah, he has decent pedigree and would do well in the spl and did well enough for them though can't help but feel his contribuation has been a bit over stated by many yams and non-yams alike. He was there for about 3 months and scored three goals albeit a derby goal and a semi final winner (a penalty though, most professionals can score them) among them but he hardly charged them towards a top finish in the league and single handedly got them to the cup final.

Plus, he is another player who seems to spend more time on the treatment table than the pitch. He'd take up too much of our budget and I'd rather strengthen in a couple more positions than pay over the odds for the likes of him.

[J-C]

Obvious problem, wages.

[At The Edge]

Gaz won't be back this season...

http://en.rsport.ru/football/20120712/604653270.html

[steakbake]

Gaz won't be back this season...

http://en.rsport.ru/football/20120712/604653270.html

Ah well. Good luck to him.

[greenginger]

Gaz won't be back this season...

http://en.rsport.ru/football/20120712/604653270.html


O'Connor better not step out of line over there. Its not community service they get its the Gulag ! :greengrin

[Jim44]

Craig beattie

I think the Huns are keen to get him. especially after his tweets on Twitter this morning when he was going on about the Glorious 12th.

[seven nowt]

Does anyone other than PF rate Doyle?

Me. I think he's one of our best players. Great vision and movement off the ball and believe it or not has a good goalscoring record when you look at the amount of minute's he's played. Definitely one to hold on to.

[BoltonHibee]

Me. I think he's one of our best players. Great vision and movement off the ball and believe it or not has a good goalscoring record when you look at the amount of minute's he's played. Definitely one to hold on to.

What are his goal scoring/ minutes played stats? ( if you have them to hand)

[NAE NOOKIE]

Does anyone other than PF rate Doyle?

Once he is up to speed with the SPL he could be a good player for us. Good movement and awareness, just needs a wee bit more pace and strength and he will do for me.

[Big90inOz]

The guy will be a star, he makes space for himself in the box, he runs the line and the channels very well, we just don't have the players to find him.

I remember the game where Kenny Dalglish told Keith Wright, " you run the channels and I'll find you" result was 4 goals to Keith that day.

[Stevie Reid]

What are his goal scoring/ minutes played stats? ( if you have them to hand)

Don't know the goals-minutes ratio but Doyle has started 8 times and scored 3 goals - he has come off the bench 8 times.

I really believe that he will be excellent for us next season.

[BoltonHibee]

Don't know the goals-minutes ratio but Doyle has started 8 times and scored 3 goals - he has come off the bench 8 times.

I really believe that he will be excellent for us next season.

Cheers SR

[Stevie Reid]

Cheers SR

:aok:

[Golden Bear]

I think the Huns are keen to get him. especially after his tweets on Twitter this morning when he was going on about the Glorious 12th.

He's always grousing on about something right enough.

:wink:

[silverhibee]

The guy will be a star, he makes space for himself in the box, he runs the line and the channels very well, we just don't have the players to find him.

I remember the game where Kenny Dalglish told Keith Wright, " you run the channels and I'll find you" result was 4 goals to Keith that day.

It's been like that for seasons now.

[Stevie Reid]

It's been like that for seasons now.

:agree:

Whilst admirable (and possibly unavoidable) the club allowing Zemmama to go on loan for the 2008-09 season robbed us of having him supply a front 3 of Riordan, Fletcher and Nish (in his best period with us). That was sore.

Would like to see us add width on both sides.

[J-C]

I think the Huns are keen to get him. especially after his tweets on Twitter this morning when he was going on about the Glorious 12th.


Is he not a Celtic lad, probably can't wait to see the real demise of the once mighty Rangers. :greengrin

[PatHead]

Is he not a Celtic lad, probably can't wait to see the real demise of the once mighty Rangers. :greengrin

No, family all supported the now defunct Rangers. Wonder who they follow now?

[Franck Stanton]

Does anyone other than PF rate Doyle?

This HAS to be a tongue-in-cheek question. Doesn't it ? Doyle will be a big hit bthis season. He showed great pace/positional sense/movement etc etc last season to suggest that with a full pre-season under his belt would be more than capable in holding his own in the SPL. We now just need to find someone to compliment him, someone like ....Sutton would be ideal imo

[Macaroon]

This HAS to be a tongue-in-cheek question. Doesn't it ? Doyle will be a big hit bthis season. He showed great pace/positional sense/movement etc etc last season to suggest that with a full pre-season under his belt would be more than capable in holding his own in the SPL. We now just need to find someone to compliment him, someone like ....Sutton would be ideal imo

We need someone with pace next to him imo. The target man system just doesn't work with Hibs. Let's cast our minds back to, Konte, Donaldson, Trakys, Sodje... Hardly big hits!

Someone like Leigh next to ED will be a great partnership IMO. As long as the ball is kept on the ground and we go back to the JC/CIS Final play style.

[J-C]

No, family all supported the now defunct Rangers. Wonder who they follow now?

I assumed because he was a Celtic player but after checking his Wiki it does say he played youth level for Rangers, his boyhood team.

[mon the cabbage]

We need someone with pace next to him imo. The target man system just doesn't work with Hibs. Let's cast our minds back to, Konte, Donaldson, Trakys, Sodje... Hardly big hits!

Someone like Leigh next to ED will be a great partnership IMO. As long as the ball is kept on the ground and we go back to the JC/CIS Final play style.


I agree with every thing else but it was tony mowbray that we had that style with not John Collins, I think he was poor in charge of us and that is when we went downhill


Doyle has a brilliant football brain and I could see cairney being a midfield player who will find his runs and link up well with him.

[Andy74]

We need someone with pace next to him imo. The target man system just doesn't work with Hibs. Let's cast our minds back to, Konte, Donaldson, Trakys, Sodje... Hardly big hits!

Someone like Leigh next to ED will be a great partnership IMO. As long as the ball is kept on the ground and we go back to the JC/CIS Final play style.

Actually Trakys was an example of how it does work, although he only played about 3 games the Rangers and Motherwell games I think they were, were about the most complete centre forward performances we've had for some time - he was holding it up and it allowed midfield players to get forward and score goals.

Chris Killen comes to mind as well, Mixu would be another.

[BSEJVT]

Actually Trakys was an example of how it does work, although he only played about 3 games the Rangers and Motherwell games I think they were, were about the most complete centre forward performances we've had for some time - he was holding it up and it allowed midfield players to get forward and score goals.

Chris Killen comes to mind as well, Mixu would be another.

If you mean complete in the sense of no goals, shots at goal or headers on goal I would agree:greengrin

Failing these attributes you are correct in that he did hold the ball up well and link the play

[Springbank]

If you mean complete in the sense of no goals, shots at goal or headers on goal I would agree:greengrin

Failing these attributes you are correct in that he did hold the ball up well and link the play

Yes, I must be getting on, and becoming less charitable by each passing year.

He reminds me of the Paul Wright years…flatters to deceive and punchless.
My main thing for strikers is simply put the white spherical thingy inside that net past that man in the garish jersey.

[Stevie Reid]

Actually Trakys was an example of how it does work, although he only played about 3 games the Rangers and Motherwell games I think they were, were about the most complete centre forward performances we've had for some time - he was holding it up and it allowed midfield players to get forward and score goals.

Chris Killen comes to mind as well, Mixu would be another.

And Brewster, the best of the lot.


Yes, I must be getting on, and becoming less charitable by each passing year.

He reminds me of the Paul Wright years…flatters to deceive and punchless.
My main thing for strikers is simply put the white spherical thingy inside that net past that man in the garish jersey.

Paul Wright wasn't punchless, he was a constant danger and had a superb strike on him. He had been an excellent signing until that monster Neil Berry blatantly injured him - he was also torturing Hearts that day, until he went off. Were winning 1-0 and lost 2-1 IIRC - think it may also have been the game that Goram had an injured finger and Wayne Foster found an excuse to follow through on him with a challenge. Cue Goram letting a soft Robertson free kick slip through.

From what I have seen Doyle is nothing like Paul Wright, looks good in a different way.

[RickyS]

Actually Trakys was an example of how it does work, although he only played about 3 games the Rangers and Motherwell games I think they were, were about the most complete centre forward performances we've had for some time - he was holding it up and it allowed midfield players to get forward and score goals.

Chris Killen comes to mind as well, Mixu would be another.

:agree:

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Chris Killen: complete firward

[Aldo]

Chris Killen: complete firward

Would agree. Prior to his Achilles snapping the guy was outstanding. 15 goal by xmas and could do loads... Hold it up, pass, header and run the channels.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Doyle is one of the few members of the squad that fill me with much optimism, theres a lot of potential there, whether we will have enough other decent players is open to debate.

[Northernhibee]

I can see Doyle sticking around with us and also scoring a shedload of goals. Very, very clever player and will link well with a decent attacking midfielder like Cairney.

[HoboHarry]

This is supposed to be a rumours thread, where are all the rumours? Hasn't anyone "got a pal in the know" anymore? No sightings of Thierry Henry getting off the train in Edinburgh and getting into Rod Petrie's car?

[Aldo]

I can see Doyle sticking around with us and also scoring a shedload of goals. Very, very clever player and will link well with a decent attacking midfielder like Cairney.

I am very optimistic bout Cairney... I mentioned before that I would be delighted if he could become Hibs very own version if Paul Scholes... Got totally laughed at.

As for Doyle expecting much from this lad. Cracking headed goal against Kille at ER... Took up great position. Sure he will do ok for us this season.

[muirhousehibby]

This is supposed to be a rumours thread, where are all the rumours? Hasn't anyone "got a pal in the know" anymore? No sightings of Thierry Henry getting off the train in Edinburgh and getting into Rod Petrie's car?

Francisco Sandaza is this guy still not signed for anyone yet?


mark kerr is not training with hibs now,but maybury is still there .

James mcfadden has not been training with hibs either false rumour that 1 which is a pity.:agree:

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Graeme Smith signs for Pars.

[scoopyboy]

I am very optimistic bout Cairney... I mentioned before that I would be delighted if he could become Hibs very own version if Paul Scholes... Got totally laughed at.

As for Doyle expecting much from this lad. Cracking headed goal against Kille at ER... Took up great position. Sure he will do ok for us this season.

Except he didn't score with a header against Killie!!!!!

[HibbyAndy]

Except he didn't score with a header against Killie!!!!!


Dunfy, And he really couldn't miss.

[Barney McGrew]

Graeme Smith signs for Pars.

God help them

[Aldo]

Except he didn't score with a header against Killie!!!!!

Sorry yes your right but took up excellent position for right foot finish from Soares cut back

[scoopyboy]

Sorry yes your right but took up excellent position for right foot finish from Soares cut back

Agreed.

[Pretty Boy]

Graeme Smith signs for Pars.

God help them.

Get rid of one terrible keeper and replace him with about the only keeper in the world whos worse.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Isn't Murray Davidson (St Johnstone) now a free agent?

[R'Albin]

Graeme Smith signs for Pars.

I think I maybe dreamed things.. but was he not pretty good for us until Yogi dropped him? Obviously I'd never want to sign him again - just the though of the 6-6 game makes me want to cry - but with less of a fanbase and less pressure, he could maybe be a decent signing?

Oh yes, my tin hat is firmly on :greengrin

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

[Aldo]

I think I maybe dreamed things.. but was he not pretty good for us until Yogi dropped him? Obviously I'd never want to sign him again - just the though of the 6-6 game makes me want to cry - but with less of a fanbase and less pressure, he could maybe be a decent signing?

Oh yes, my tin hat is firmly on :greengrin

Thing was he was decent fur well but was dropped fur Brighton after conceding , I think 5 or 6 in one game and was never back in the side.

[Aldo]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

And....

[ozzie]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

Any idea who else is on his books?
Maybe he was asking Rod about the newco situation before he holds talks with them, word is rods the man in the know ;-)

[LancsHibs]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

:hmmm:who else could he be the agent for?

[Pretty Boy]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

Was he not the agent that secured new deals at Hibs for Kevin Thomson and St Scott Brown only to be dumped a short time later when Willie Mackay turned their heads.

[Aldo]

Was he not the agent that secured new deals at Hibs for Kevin Thomson and St Scott Brown only to be dumped a short time later when Willie Mackay turned their heads.

KT has been training up north for a few weeks... Or so I've been told... Not at EM but with EOS team

[truehibernian]

KT has been training up north for a few weeks... Or so I've been told... Not at EM but with EOS team

He was in Edinburgh last week. His other half also looked 'ready to drop'. Seems ice cream is her craving at present :-)

[Part/Time Supporter]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

I think there is a whole bunch of players who were going to sign for Zombie Huns, on the assumption of them being in the second tier, who will now be available.

[SteveHFC]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

Source :cb

[CRAZYHIBBY]

He haw to do with me! ..a couple of the guys in the office.....one a st johnstone fan and in fact the only st johnstone fan ive ever met said they saw him there on wednesday

[HibeeBigFly]

Isn't Murray Davidson (St Johnstone) now a free agent?

No idea, would be a tremendous signing though!

[Part/Time Supporter]

Isn't Murray Davidson (St Johnstone) now a free agent?

No.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/2010/05/17/murray-davidson-heartened-by-new-deal-at-st-johnstone-86908-22265328/

[Col2]

Zemmama. ;)

[EHZERO7]

Any idea who else is on his books?
Maybe he was asking Rod about the newco situation before he holds talks with them, word is rods the man in the know ;-)

Alan O'Brien is on his books, but doubt it would be him :faf:

[California-Hibs]

Could be something in the Beattie rumor. On Monday one if the Hearts trainers that comes into David Lloyds with the Hearts team regularly, was in.

We were chatting away (hes a Hibs fan so thats why we chat haha) and I asked him about the Beattie to Hibs rumor. His reply was a smile followed by 'all I'm going to say is that hes still in Edinburgh and looking for a team' and with a smile walked away.

Who knows, just passing it on, could be nothing and a load of rubbish but then again could be a go ahead..

[#FromTheCapital]

On Monday one if the Hearts trainers that comes into David Lloyds with the Hearts team regularly..

Must of sold his SOLE to be involved with that mob

[Albion Hibs]

Beattie is a decent player no doubt, but if we are going to have a fairly thin squad up front I am not to sure if someone so injury prone is the answer. A fit Craig Beattie could get a better club than hibs so it makes me think his injury problems are a little more significant.

On another note heard today that Wotherspoon was going out on loan, I have heard that one before so not too sure how realiable.

[Vault Boy]

Beattie is a decent player no doubt, but if we are going to have a fairly thin squad up front I am not to sure if someone so injury prone is the answer. A fit Craig Beattie could get a better club than hibs so it makes me think his injury problems are a little more significant.

On another note heard today that Wotherspoon was going out on loan, I have heard that one before so not too sure how realiable.

I think I'm right in saying that Fenlon rates Wotherspoon quite highly, add on what you mentioned about the thinned out squad I think this would be an unlikely move. We'll see what happens on the 'Spoony front soon enough though.

[Wotherspiniesta]

Wotherspoon's not going on loan.

He's looking forward to the new season at Hibs.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Wotherspoon's not going on loan.

He's looking forward to the new season at Hibs.

Source?

[Bostonhibby]

Alan O'Brien is on his books, but doubt it would be him :faf:

Is he any good? we could do with a pacey, direct goal scoring winger with great distribution and the heart of a lion.

[Andy74]

Rod Petrie seen talking to scott fisher who is craig beatties agent....

It's a pity Rod doesn't work for Hibs day to day now though.

[Andy74]

Graeme Smith signs for Pars.

Which one?

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Which one?

6-6

[Andy74]

6-6

Good. Hope they end up back in SPL then!

[blackpoolhibs]

Good. Hope they end up back in SPL then!

Has to be very doubtful now.

[bingo70]

Are people going to cut any new signings a bit more slack if they're not the exciting names we were hoping for?

We wanted the huns out, we got them out, now we need to live with the reality of the situation that our already smaller budget will likely be cut further so players we previously turned our nose up at might now have to become targets. I'm thinking of the reaction from some to Kerr and Maybury training with us, IMO these are the sort of guys we may have to start going for as it'll be even harder to compete with lower league English sides.

[blackpoolhibs]

Are people going to cut any new signings a bit more slack if they're not the exciting names we were hoping for?

We wanted the huns out, we got them out, now we need to live with the reality of the situation that our already smaller budget will likely be cut further so players we previously turned our nose up at might now have to become targets. I'm thinking of the reaction from some to Kerr and Maybury training with us, IMO these are the sort of guys we may have to start going for as it'll be even harder to compete with lower league English sides.

The two things are not related, all clubs are in this situation. If the team give 100% and punch its weight, and are not outplayed by clubs spending half of what we do, that will be a start.

If they continue to play like a sunday league side, they will be criticised, and rightly so.

[bingo70]

The two things are not related, all clubs are in this situation. If the team give 100% and punch its weight, and are not outplayed by clubs spending half of what we do, that will be a start.

If they continue to play like a sunday league side, they will be criticised, and rightly so.

It's maybe cos i had a few beers too many last night but i don't follow what you mean?

I'm talking about peoples opinion on so called 'underwhelming signings' when they sign, not after a few games, i realise it's all relative and other teams will likely be worse than last year as well, thats my point (i think), players who we might previously have thought not good enough might now actually be good enough as other teams will be weaker as well.

[LeighLoyal]

Stating the obvious, but we need to bring in several more players to make a sustained/realistic challenge for second/third place. Griffiths, Deano, Riordan... look at these guys please!

[bingo70]

Stating the obvious, but we need to bring in several more players to make a sustained/realistic challenge for second/third place. Griffiths, Deano, Riordan... look at these guys please!

What about casting our net further than ex-players?

I'd be interested to see if there was any value in players from poorer countries where a move to Scotland would be appealing, got to think there must be a few Greek players for example out there that aren't getting paid or concerned about earning a decent wage as a footballer over there.

[blackpoolhibs]

It's maybe cos i had a few beers too many last night but i don't follow what you mean?

I'm talking about peoples opinion on so called 'underwhelming signings' when they sign, not after a few games, i realise it's all relative and other teams will likely be worse than last year as well, thats my point (i think), players who we might previously have thought not good enough might now actually be good enough as other teams will be weaker as well.

Maybe i picked you up wrong, i agree any new players should be given a chance. No player should be berated during the games.

We have been crap, and yes this rangers fiasco has taken over the minds of scottish football fans, but hopefully thats over now and we can get back to concentrating on Hibs.

When the teams bad, we talk about that. When they are good, some of us are happy. This team need to start punching their weight, they need to start performing better, much better than they have been doing.

If they dont, then they will get stick, thats the name of the game now. The Hibs support have had enough crap, and voted with their feet over the last couple of seasons, that was bugger all to do with the Rangers situation.

We are all in this mess, but there's no reason at all why we should be at the bottom of this mess, other than bad management from the top.

Its time for them to lead us out of this mess, if they dont the result will be more folk walking away.

[TornadoHibby]

It's a pity Rod doesn't work for Hibs day to day now though.

Do you think that Beattie might be heading to work for one of STF's other businesses (other than Hibs) then Andy? :dunno: :hmmm: :wink: :greengrin

[Future17]

Byron Moore signs a new contract with Crewe.

[soupy]

He was in Edinburgh last week. His other half also looked 'ready to drop'. Seems ice cream is her craving at present :-)

His girlfriend had a a wee boy this week, the ice cream must have worked :-)

[yekimevol]

Stating the obvious, but we need to bring in several more players to make a sustained/realistic challenge for second/third place. Griffiths, Deano, Riordan... look at these guys please!

Griffiths - yeh maybe had a ok season last year.

Deano - yeh he was great last season, even in the player of the year for the spl.

riordan - never want to see him in a hibs top again, after his last year and a half in a hibs top.

[Wotherspiniesta]

Source?

The guy himself.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Michalik turns us down it seems

[truehibernian]

His girlfriend had a a wee boy this week, the ice cream must have worked :-)

Must be something they put in the mint choc chip at Luca's.

[SaulGoodman]

Michalik turns us down it seems

No Hibs class anyway :agree:

[Tyler Durden]

Michalik turns us down it seems

Has he signed for someone else?

I notice the Sun reporting that ex Dundee Utd full back Michael Kovacevic has joined Ross County for a weeks trial. I'd be happy if we made a move for him. Can also play centre back, proven in SPL, within our budget, much better option than Maybury IMO.

[NAE NOOKIE]

What about casting our net further than ex-players?

I'd be interested to see if there was any value in players from poorer countries where a move to Scotland would be appealing, got to think there must be a few Greek players for example out there that aren't getting paid or concerned about earning a decent wage as a footballer over there.

Posted this a few weeks ago .... not sure why we dont appear to be looking in that direction.



Maybe we are

[R'Albin]

Michalik turns us down it seems

If we sign Maybury and play Clancy in Centre Half then we don't need him anyway IMO.

[blackpoolhibs]

If we sign Maybury and play Clancy in Centre Half then we don't need him anyway IMO.

Have you based that opinion on 1 game against East Fife?

[hibbybrian]

Have you based that opinion on 1 game against East Fife?

C'mon G. you know that players have often been castigated on here without even playing 1 game :greengrin

[bingo70]

Michalik turns us down it seems

I'm not bothered about this one, everything i read about him from previous clubs said he was pish so there were alarm bells ringing.

Ideally i wanted a new defensive partner for Mcpake but if the budget is going to be much reduced i'd rather we stuck with what we've got defensively and brought in another midfielder, winger or forward

[hibsbollah]

I think I'm right in saying that Fenlon rates Wotherspoon quite highly, add on what you mentioned about the thinned out squad I think this would be an unlikely move. We'll see what happens on the 'Spoony front soon enough though.

I'll be hoping for one of two things, 1. He gets a chance in the hole behind the strikers or 2. We move him on. He hasnt done a thing in a wide position for about 18 months.

[blackpoolhibs]

C'mon G. you know that players have often been castigated on here without even playing 1 game :greengrin

:wink:

[Iggy Pope]

Have you based that opinion on 1 game against East Fife?

Are you doubting his opinion based on not seeing 1 game against East Fife?
:wink:

[heretoday]

What about casting our net further than ex-players?

I'd be interested to see if there was any value in players from poorer countries where a move to Scotland would be appealing, got to think there must be a few Greek players for example out there that aren't getting paid or concerned about earning a decent wage as a footballer over there.

Good thinking. I sometimes wonder if clubs ever use their imaginations at all or if they are happy just to let agents and scouts do the work.

[Franck Stanton]

If we sign Maybury and play Clancy in Centre Half then we don't need him anyway IMO.

Understand what you are saying but , hasn,t that been a bit of a downfall for us in recent seasons, signing a player for a certain position and then trying to play him somewhere else thereby having a player giving a sub-standard performance througfh no fault of his own as the position is alien to him. Clancy was bought for r/b, has stated himself he likes/plays better there so, imo, keep him there and turn our attention for another c/b elsewhere.

[blackpoolhibs]

Are you doubting his opinion based on not seeing 1 game against East Fife?
:wink:

:greengrin

Yip, we need to judge just how strong we are defensively in a few weeks time, when all the comings and goings have been done, or after i have seen the team on Wednesday. :wink:

A back 4 of Clancy McPake Hanlon and Maybury does not fill me with much hope if i'm honest, especially with what we have in front of them. We are well short of quality, even from what we had at the end of last season imo.

[R'Albin]

Have you based that opinion on 1 game against East Fife?

No I wasn't meaning that it was Maybury in particular that I wanted, I meant that if we sign a right back and play Clancy in the centre then we don't need another centre back. I didn't make that very clear in my last post.

[R'Albin]

Understand what you are saying but , hasn,t that been a bit of a downfall for us in recent seasons, signing a player for a certain position and then trying to play him somewhere else thereby having a player giving a sub-standard performance througfh no fault of his own as the position is alien to him. Clancy was bought for r/b, has stated himself he likes/plays better there so, imo, keep him there and turn our attention for another c/b elsewhere.

I never knew that actually. Though he's been a pretty good CB in the past has he not? It's not like playing Scott/Osbourne out wide for example, he's actually proven to be competent there. Plus maybe Fenlon did sign him to be a CB ?

[Iggy Pope]

:greengrin

Yip, we need to judge just how strong we are defensively in a few weeks time, when all the comings and goings have been done, or after i have seen the team on Wednesday. :wink:

A back 4 of Clancy McPake Hanlon and Maybury does not fill me with much hope if i'm honest, especially with what we have in front of them. We are well short of quality, even from what we had at the end of last season imo.

Well, if Maybury is as keen and fit looking on Wednesday as he was today, you might be surprised.
Be Saturday before I can take another look
:cheers:

[Iggy Pope]

I never knew that actually. Though he's been a pretty good CB in the past has he not? It's not like playing Scott/Osbourne out wide for example, he's actually proven to be competent there. Plus maybe Fenlon did sign him to be a CB ?

I'd rather see him at CB than I would say, David Stephens.

[R'Albin]

I'd rather see him at CB than I would say, David Stephens.

How did he play today? But ditto anyway :agree:

[Iggy Pope]

How did he play today? But ditto anyway :agree:

Erratic would be the kindest description. He may have taken a knock as he was getting a bit of attention from the physio at the end, but when the change was made at half time the back 4 looked more settled and the backs got forward far more effectively.

[R'Albin]

Erratic would be the kindest description. He may have taken a knock as he was getting a bit of attention from the physio at the end, but when the change was made at half time the back 4 looked more settled and the backs got forward far more effectively.


:aok:

[sesoim]

Dunfy, And he really couldn't miss.


He (Doyle) also missed an open goal in that game. He tries hard, but I doubt he could score regularly for us. If we don't sign at least a couple of forwards that are better than him then I will be worried.

[erin go bragh]

Kenny Shiels saying Dean is training and nearly ready to play - but not for Killie-
Killie have no money ,so cant sign any players :cb

Petrie ,, get it sorted :agree:


ggtth

[YehButNoBut]

Looks like Fenlon would like to offer Maybury a deal but is not sure yet if Hibs can afford to as the financial impact of the Rangers situation will reduce his budget and likely lead to him bringing in 2 fewer players than he would have liked.


http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hibernian/110968-pat-fenlon-unsure-whether-hibernian-can-offer-deal-to-alan-maybury/

Pat Fenlon still hopes to be in a position to offer Alan Maybury a deal to stay at Hibernian but concedes he can’t offer the defender any guarantees.

Former Hearts player Maybury is a free agent after leaving St Johnstone at the end of last season. The 33-year-old has been training with the Easter Road side in pre-season and featured in the second half of the club’s 2-0 friendly win over East Fife. Hibs boss Fenlon says the financial impact of Rangers being in Division Three will reduce his budget, meaning he will bring in two fewer players than he would have liked.

Speaking to Hibernian TV he said: "We have had Alan in training for a week.

"He's a great professional and a very, very good player. He's probably someone we could do with around the place.

"Whether we are able to do it at the moment, I'm not too sure with the way things are. So we'll just have to wait and see."

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Is it greedy and or realistic to want Maybury, Deano, another striker and another midfielder?!

Would like to see David Stephens played in the midfield. Big, strong and pretty decent with the ball at his feet. We could mature him into that role.

[California-Hibs]

Is it greedy and or realistic to want Maybury, Deano, another striker and another midfielder?!

Would like to see David Stephens played in the midfield. Big, strong and pretty decent with the ball at his feet. We could mature him into that role.

:faf: Behave!

[skipster7]

Is it greedy and or realistic to want Maybury, Deano, another striker and another midfielder?!

Would like to see David Stephens played in the midfield. Big, strong and pretty decent with the ball at his feet. We could mature him into that role.

no,we couldnt.from what ive seen he might be big but is murder on the ball and has no positional awareness.bombscare.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

It is rather scary that we we STILL have not addressed our issues with width. We still have no wingers or guys who can take somebody on. I am not excited at all about starting the season. Aberdeen sorted this out by signing two wingers, they will be strong all be it without fyvie now. Us on the other hand have *****ed all our budget on one player. Hearts, despite losing players still look strong with a good front three of Sutton, driver and templeton. We still are persisting with mostly the same clowns who got pumped by hearts, summer of change??? Not really!!!

[MSK]

It is rather scary that we we STILL have not addressed our issues with width. We still have no wingers or guys who can take somebody on. I am not excited at all about starting the season. Aberdeen sorted this out by signing two wingers, they will be strong all be it without fyvie now. Us on the other hand have *****ed all our budget on one player. Hearts, despite losing players still look strong with a good front three of Sutton, driver and templeton. We still are persisting with mostly the same clowns who got pumped by hearts, summer of change??? Not really!!!One player ..Cairney, McPake, Williams & Clancy ? :confused:

Hearts want rid of Sutton ..Templeton blows hot & cold & Driver apart from being injury prone is ***** !!!

[Cocaine&Caviar]

It is rather scary that we we STILL have not addressed our issues with width. We still have no wingers or guys who can take somebody on. I am not excited at all about starting the season. Aberdeen sorted this out by signing two wingers, they will be strong all be it without fyvie now. Us on the other hand have *****ed all our budget on one player. Hearts, despite losing players still look strong with a good front three of Sutton, driver and templeton. We still are persisting with mostly the same clowns who got pumped by hearts, summer of change??? Not really!!!

McGinn is being deployed as a striker though remember.

[Hibspirational]

It is rather scary that we we STILL have not addressed our issues with width. We still have no wingers or guys who can take somebody on. I am not excited at all about starting the season. Aberdeen sorted this out by signing two wingers, they will be strong all be it without fyvie now. Us on the other hand have *****ed all our budget on one player. Hearts, despite losing players still look strong with a good front three of Sutton, driver and templeton. We still are persisting with mostly the same clowns who got pumped by hearts, summer of change??? Not really!!!

:dunno:

[AlbertK86]

One player ..Cairney, McPake, Williams & Clancy ? :confused:

Hearts want rid of Sutton ..Templeton blows hot & cold & Driver apart from being injury prone is ***** !!!

Think they may keep Sutton now.

Only experienced striker who started and scored for them yesterday.

[ScottB]

Reality has changed, if folk are going to throw hissy fits if we don't sign another 4 players, then we might as well not bother!

How many times in the last few years have we tried to bring in a ton of players all at once, and how often has it worked? I've got a lot of time for Pat and I think he is going about this the right way; sorting out our obvious problems from last season one by one, we have a much stronger defence already, and we've added some creativity to the midfield. If we don't manage to get much else in in this window then so be it, I'd rather we get the right players in, be that now or January, than quickly add in a load of last minute stop gaps, and with the financial reality what it is, that seems unlikely anyway.

A striker and a winger would probably do as further signings. Perhaps adding Maybury with a last minute 'take it or leave it' deal. I'm happy to have the young guys as back up to Williams, We have Booth, Smith, Hanlon and Kujabi who can all play Left Back, I wonder if Booth could be tasked as a left winger. The young guys and Doyle will do upfront alongside a new man. It's going to be a case of leaning on the youngsters and who we already had alongside the new guys.

[YehButNoBut]

I know this is from Hibs football rumours page but I would so love this to be true. :aok:


16 Jul 2012 11:11:39
Gary Twigg, Dean Shiels & leigh Griffiths will join before the start of the season. Alan Maybury will sign if Pat can move on Sean O'Hanlon.

[Andy74]

Reality has changed, if folk are going to throw hissy fits if we don't sign another 4 players, then we might as well not bother!

How many times in the last few years have we tried to bring in a ton of players all at once, and how often has it worked? I've got a lot of time for Pat and I think he is going about this the right way; sorting out our obvious problems from last season one by one, we have a much stronger defence already, and we've added some creativity to the midfield. If we don't manage to get much else in in this window then so be it, I'd rather we get the right players in, be that now or January, than quickly add in a load of last minute stop gaps, and with the financial reality what it is, that seems unlikely anyway.

A striker and a winger would probably do as further signings. Perhaps adding Maybury with a last minute 'take it or leave it' deal. I'm happy to have the young guys as back up to Williams, We have Booth, Smith, Hanlon and Kujabi who can all play Left Back, I wonder if Booth could be tasked as a left winger. The young guys and Doyle will do upfront alongside a new man. It's going to be a case of leaning on the youngsters and who we already had alongside the new guys.

Just about where I am too.

I'd love to see a pacy winger though or at least one that can use some ability to go past people. An experienced striker is also a must. I'm also not sure i'd rely on kinds as goalkeeping back up.

However, if that's our lot then fine, as you say, if we can do the same sort of job each window for the next wee while then that will do.

It'll take a while to turn over the guys we don't want and to get the kids up to speed.

It's the current reality though and to be fair, most people seem pretty open in accepting that now which is refreshing.

We've let 15 players go, some high earners, including two good goalscorers. There isn't the same type of demands to replace all of these guys with better players than there would usually be.

[.Sean.]

I'll be hoping for one of two things, 1. He gets a chance in the hole behind the strikers or 2. We move him on. He hasnt done a thing in a wide position for about 18 months.
I think he could definately play up front. I know you can say it was 'only East Fife' we played but I was very impressed with him. Totally different player from the one we've seen in recent times. He was brilliant.

[cabbageandribs1875]

good to see young scott taggart get himself fixed up with morton

[SouthMoroccoStu]

I know this is from Hibs football rumours page but I would so love this to be true. :aok:


16 Jul 2012 11:11:39
Gary Twigg, Dean Shiels & leigh Griffiths will join before the start of the season. Alan Maybury will sign if Pat can move on Sean O'Hanlon.

Would be very happy with this :pfgwa

[Dinkydoo]

Would be very happy with this :pfgwa

Me too, shame it seems too good to be true though.

[Speedway]

Given that expectations need to be realistic, I'd like to be able to see Hibs line up like this at Elsie Tanner's Dice:

Williams

Clancy
McPake
Hanlon
Maybury

Sproule
Osbourne
Crusher Mc*********
Cairney

Griffiths
Caldwell

[--------]

Reality has changed, if folk are going to throw hissy fits if we don't sign another 4 players, then we might as well not bother!

How many times in the last few years have we tried to bring in a ton of players all at once, and how often has it worked? I've got a lot of time for Pat and I think he is going about this the right way; sorting out our obvious problems from last season one by one, we have a much stronger defence already, and we've added some creativity to the midfield. If we don't manage to get much else in in this window then so be it, I'd rather we get the right players in, be that now or January, than quickly add in a load of last minute stop gaps, and with the financial reality what it is, that seems unlikely anyway.

A striker and a winger would probably do as further signings. Perhaps adding Maybury with a last minute 'take it or leave it' deal. I'm happy to have the young guys as back up to Williams, We have Booth, Smith, Hanlon and Kujabi who can all play Left Back, I wonder if Booth could be tasked as a left winger. The young guys and Doyle will do upfront alongside a new man. It's going to be a case of leaning on the youngsters and who we already had alongside the new guys.

:agree: Last window we needed players - any players, almost - to make up a team that would give us a fighting chance of staying up. I don't think Pat got the players he really wanted; I think he had to make do with what was available, and some of those, by definition, were players who were less than vital to their own clubs, players whom their own clubs were looking to move on. Not the top of the market, in other words. And even when we got a decent player, the odds were that he wouldn't be very deeply committed to the cause of Hibernian FC. (I'm thinking of Claros, Soares and Doherty here - I don't doubt their ability; I'd just have liked to see them play once in a while.)

Two other thoughts.

First, now that we finally know who's playing where and when, there's a possibility that certain SPL players may become available between now and the end of the window. If I understand the situation correctly, while Hibs are certainly going to be strapped for cash, others may well be a lot more strapped for cash and we MAY be able to take advantage of this. So Pat's caution amy yet pay us a dividend.

Second, I agree totally with you about him. I met him face-to-face last week for the first time, and he impressed me as a man who knows what he's trying to do. The only way young players progress from the youth teams to the reserves to the first team is by playing. Our youngsters ahven't really been given the opportunity to play these last few seasons - most of our multitude of managers have preferred to bring in huddies from the Twilight Zone than give a chance to the kids they've praised so highly to the press. Pat seems to be prepared to do this - maybe we'll find we don't need to sign quite as many new guys as we think?

And Dundee will need SPL-experienced players. Any chance they'd take O'Hanlon and Galbraith? It'd be a huge wrench to lose two such fine professionals, and I know Pat would miss them from the squad, but sacrifices must be made for the long-tern good of the club ....

:wink:

[--------]

I know this is from Hibs football rumours page but I would so love this to be true. :aok:

16 Jul 2012 11:11:39 Gary Twigg, Dean Shiels & leigh Griffiths will join before the start of the season. Alan Maybury will sign if Pat can move on Sean O'Hanlon.




If this proves true, I would be delighted.

But unfortunately, I don't think so.

[MyJo]

I know this is from Hibs football rumours page but I would so love this to be true. :aok:


16 Jul 2012 11:11:39
Gary Twigg, Dean Shiels & leigh Griffiths will join before the start of the season. Alan Maybury will sign if Pat can move on Sean O'Hanlon.

Yes please.

_________________williams

Clancy_____mcpake_______hanlon_____maybury

________sheils____Osborne____cairney

Sproule___________Twigg____________griffiths

Subs: antell, stevens, Stevenson, claros, smith, handling, doyle

[Vault Boy]

Yes please.

_________________williams

Clancy_____mcpake_______hanlon_____maybury

________sheils____Osborne____cairney

Sproule___________Twigg____________griffiths

Subs: antell, stevens, Stevenson, claros, smith, handling, doyle

Now THAT looks like a dangerous team, I'd maybe have Doyle in for Sproule as an inside forward though, he used to play on the wing for Sligo and I think he could be a real asset next season.

[LancsHibs]

Yes please.

_________________williams

Clancy_____mcpake_______hanlon_____maybury

________sheils____Osborne____cairney

Sproule___________Twigg____________griffiths

Subs: antell, stevens, Stevenson, claros, smith, handling, doyle

Like the look of that, much improved team on what we finished last season with:thumbsup: Sill midfield looks a bit light, could do with a hard tackling midfielder:aok:

[.Sean.]

We'll still be well short of a good squad if we're going into the season with Sproule, Osbourne and Kujabi in the first 11 IMO.

[S4uzee]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11781/7904531/Forbes-weighs-up-options

Would think we could do better?

[Stevie Reid]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11781/7904531/Forbes-weighs-up-options

Would think we could do better?

Wouldn't mind trying him on trial, looked a real prospect a couple of years ago, and scored a lot of goals.

[SteveHFC]

Ross Forbes is amazing on Football Manager :wink:

[AlbertK86]

Yes please.

_________________williams

Clancy_____mcpake_______hanlon_____maybury

________sheils____Osborne____cairney

Sproule___________Twigg____________griffiths

Subs: antell, stevens, Stevenson, claros, smith, handling, doyle

Yep. Like it but tweak slightly as follows

Back 4 jiggled to Maybury McPake Clancy Hanlon

Doyle swap with Sproule who drops out completely

Caldwell on bench

Stanton on bench instead of Stevenson

If twigg ain't signed Caldwell starts and Booth on bench

[LancsHibs]

I believe Blackpool are looking to loan (or possibly offload) one of their young strikers Craig Sutherland, he's a left sided winger/forward and a Hibs fan. Might well be worth taking a look at:agree: Some might remember this lad playing for Spartans before his family moved to America!

[AlbertK86]

Hibs rumours saying Bbc midlands have Adam Rooney signing but cannae see that in a month of Sundays

Update - never mind a month of Sundays cannae see it on BBC Midlands either !!!!!!!

[LancsHibs]

Hibs rumours saying Bbc midlands have Adam Rooney signing but cannae see that in a month of Sundays

Still has a year left on his contract at Birmingham so would cost ££££, therefore, no chance!! However, if there is any truth in this would be a top signing:aok:

[Pretty Boy]

I believe Blackpool are looking to loan (or possibly offload) one of their young strikers Craig Sutherland, he's a left sided winger/forward and a Hibs fan. Might well be worth taking a look at:agree: Some might remember this lad playing for Spartans before his family moved to America!

Good player.

Spartans had to fight hard to get the money they were due for him, Blackpool were very difficult to deal with and used a fair few bullying tactics if what I was told is true.

[Squealing pig]

no doyle in any starting teams?

[Littlest Hobo]

I like the look of Ross Forbes, I hope we can sign him up.

[DC_Hibs]

scored a lot of goals.

Unless wikipedia is wrong he's scored 6 goals in over 70 games??

The sky link says he allowed his contract to run out which is different from the STV one which confirmed that Motherwell didnt offer him a new deal and he'd hardly played last season. There were no hard feelings on his part as he understood why he was being released.

Even with Jennings leaving from their midfield there was no deal on the table which doesn't fill me with great hope.

We have a stack of midfield players already so we should be looking to sign better quality than what we have there and this boy isn't in my view.
Despite people being impressed with Maybury on Saturday I have the same view about him and Kerr.

Before anyone starts moaning about the type of player we can attract on our wages etc etc, there are definitely better players available within budget - other SPL teams sign them for less - and its up to Fenlon to identify them.....and then the board to sign them.

I don't expect 8 new arrivals on 2k a week or more but the three names I mention fall short of what we need.

Based on the transfer activity of other SPL clubs this pre season - and no Huns - there's a great chance to improve massively from the last two seasons so lets take it.

[Stevie Reid]

Unless wikipedia is wrong he's scored 6 goals in over 70 games??

The sky link says he allowed his contract to run out which is different from the STV one which confirmed that Motherwell didnt offer him a new deal and he'd hardly played last season. There were no hard feelings on his part as he understood why he was being released.

Even with Jennings leaving from their midfield there was no deal on the table which doesn't fill me with great hope.

We have a stack of midfield players already so we should be looking to sign better quality than what we have there and this boy isn't in my view.
Despite people being impressed with Maybury on Saturday I have the same view about him and Kerr.

Before anyone starts moaning about the type of player we can attract on our wages etc etc, there are definitely better players available within budget - other SPL teams sign them for less - and its up to Fenlon to identify them.....and then the board to sign them.

I don't expect 8 new arrivals on 2k a week or more but the three names I mention fall short of what we need.

Based on the transfer activity of other SPL clubs this pre season - and no Huns - there's a great chance to improve massively from the last two seasons so lets take it.

I should have clarified, I meant that he looked a real prospect and scored a lot of goals in the early part of the season when Motherwell were managed by Jim Gannon. I can count 8 here, incidentally: -



Match
Day
Date
Opponent
H/A
Score[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Motherwell_F.C._season#cite_note-Motherwell_score-27)
Motherwell scorer(s)[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Motherwell_F.C._season#cite_note-Motherwell_scorers-28)
League
Position[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Motherwell_F.C._season#cite_note-29)
Attendance
Report


1
15 August 2009
St. Johnstone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Johnstone_F.C.)
A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDiarmid_Park)
2–2
Hutchinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Hutchinson) (55), Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Forbes) (65)
5
5,220
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8200795.stm)


2
22 August 2009
Kilmarnock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilmarnock_F.C.)
H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fir_Park)
3–1
Sutton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sutton_(footballer)) (14), Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Forbes) (45) (pen. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_kick)), Hutchinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Hutchinson) (68)
3
5,093
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8210733.stm)


3
29 August 2009
Aberdeen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_F.C.)
A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittodrie_Stadium)
0–0

5
11,320
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8226515.stm)


4
12 September 2009
Rangers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangers_F.C.)
H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fir_Park)
0–0

5
9,355
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8249342.stm)


5
19 September 2009
Dundee United (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundee_United_F.C.)
A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannadice_Park)
1–0
Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Forbes) (65)
4
7,196
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8261583.stm)


6
26 September 2009
Hibernian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernian_F.C.)
H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fir_Park)
1–3
Reynolds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Reynolds_(footballer)) (35)
6
5,221
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8274089.stm)


7
3 October 2009
Falkirk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkirk_F.C.)
H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fir_Park)
1–0
Jutkiewicz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukas_Jutkiewicz) (18)
5
4,337
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8285398.stm)


8
17 October 2009
Celtic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_F.C.)
A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Park)
0–0

5
58,000
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8309965.stm)


9
24 October 2009
St. Mirren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mirren_F.C.)
A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mirren_Park)
3–3
Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Forbes) (49) (pen. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_kick)), Jutkiewicz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukas_Jutkiewicz) (74, 81)
5
4,327
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8319165.stm)


10
31 October 2009
Hearts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Midlothian_F.C.)
H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fir_Park)
1–0
Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Forbes) (55)
4
4,830
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/8333671.stm)




UEFA Europa League

Main article: UEFA Europa League 2009–10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_League_2009%E2%80%9310)


23 July 2009
SQR
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Flag_of_Albania.svg/22px-Flag_of_Albania.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania) Flamurtari Vlorë (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KS_Flamurtari_Vlor%C3%AB)
H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_Stadium)
8–1
Murphy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Murphy_(footballer_born_1989)) (16, 19, 34) Slane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Slane) (25) Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Forbes) (pen 28, 50) Shaun Hutchinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Hutchinson) (37) McHugh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McHugh) (72)
4,641
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8164957.stm)


30 July 2009
TQR
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Flag_of_Romania.svg/22px-Flag_of_Romania.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania) Steaua Bucharest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Steaua_Bucure%C5%9Fti)
A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadionul_Steaua)
0–3

25,000
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8175035.stm)


6 August 2009
TQR
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Flag_of_Romania.svg/22px-Flag_of_Romania.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania) Steaua Bucharest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Steaua_Bucure%C5%9Fti)
H (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excelsior_Stadium)
1–3
Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Forbes) (17)
4,975
BBC Sport (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8185154.stm)






I'm happy for us to have a look at him, if indeed that's what's happening.

[DC_Hibs]

I believe Blackpool are looking to loan (or possibly offload) one of their young strikers Craig Sutherland, he's a left sided winger/forward and a Hibs fan. Might well be worth taking a look at:agree: Some might remember this lad playing for Spartans before his family moved to America!

16 games for Blackpool and Plymouth and no goals - is he a winger as opposed to centre forward?

Plymouth in bottom league of English football opted not to extend his loan deal beyond the few months and he didn't seem to play anywhere else after that at end of last season.

Not for me thanks.

[IanM]

Gary Twigg - Wikipedia made me chuckle..

In 2011, he was again Rovers' top league goalscorer with 15 goals, helping the club to another title, their 17th. Twigg also played in the Shamrock Rovers team that reached the group stages of the Europa League (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Europa_League), the first Irish team ever to do so. The highlight of Twigg's season came when he scored an unprecedented four goals against Barcelona in a fierce contest between the sides which saw Shamrock Rovers win 4-3 in dramatic fashion. It is said that the four goals gave everyone a boner, even the girls.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Twigg

[Part/Time Supporter]

I should have clarified, I meant that he looked a real prospect and scored a lot of goals in the early part of the season when Motherwell were managed by Jim Gannon: -

In reality, three goals from open play plus two converted penalties. He's done almost nothing in 2.5 years since.

[Stevie Reid]

In reality, three goals from open play plus two converted penalties. He's done almost nothing in 2.5 years since.

There's 8 goals there, I've edited my post.

Regardless, he looked good back then and is only 23 - IF we are looking at him, I have no problem with it.

[DC_Hibs]

There's 8 goals there, I've edited my post.

Regardless, he looked good back then and is only 23 - IF we are looking at him, I have no problem with it.

If we were short of numbers in midfield then I might agree.

The (unofficial) news that O'Hanlon has been told he can go might well free up a decent wage to help Fenlon if we can get rid. Hopefully there will be interest in him from down south although we might have to make it worth his whileas seems the norm with Hibs and their clear outs of late. Galbraith leaving would also create some space albeit he'll be on a lower wage.

The 4 signings we've made so far seem promising so it would be good to build on that.

[Stevie Reid]

If we were short of numbers in midfield then I might agree.

The (unofficial) news that O'Hanlon has been told he can go might well free up a decent wage to help Fenlon if we can get rid. Hopefully there will be interest in him from down south although we might have to make it worth his whileas seems the norm with Hibs and their clear outs of late. Galbraith leaving would also create some space albeit he'll be on a lower wage.

The 4 signings we've made so far seem promising so it would be good to build on that.

I agree that I would, and I'd be far from bothered if nothing were to come of this - similarly, if Fenlon decided that there was something worth pursuing on our terms, I'd be happy to trust his judgement.

[Andy74]

I see Kerr is away training elsewhere, Maybury isn't going on tour and Fenlon may get a couple of trialists in while we are over there.

[Del Boy]

What about getting Scott Robertson who left dundee utd in summer but hasn't got a new club yet? Scores a few goals and better than what we have at the moment.

[bubblesmorrison]

I believe Blackpool are looking to loan (or possibly offload) one of their young strikers Craig Sutherland, he's a left sided winger/forward and a Hibs fan. Might well be worth taking a look at:agree: Some might remember this lad playing for Spartans before his family moved to America!

I remember playing with him at Dunedin decent player think he was at Plymouth before he moved to blackpool duno if he is really a hibs fan?

[Speedway]

I see Kerr is away training elsewhere, Maybury isn't going on tour and Fenlon may get a couple of trialists in while we are over there.

I know that's what the EEN says however, I'm led to believe that Kerr is away because he wants a deal pronto and we can't give him that, but that Maybury may have made the trip after all.

[PeterboroHibee]

What about getting Scott Robertson who left dundee utd in summer but hasn't got a new club yet? Scores a few goals and better than what we have at the moment.

I think he was with Birmingham on their tour but has since return home. I think hes a good player, and would improve one of our weakest positions, but with the number of midfielders we already have, we might not be able to afford to offer him a deal.

[Billychaotic182]

I think he was with Birmingham on their tour but has since return home. I think hes a good player, and would improve one of our weakest positions, but with the number of midfielders we already have, we might not be able to afford to offer him a deal.

I worked with his sister last year. When I asked her if he ever fanced a move to hibs he said no chance. The boy wants to play in England

[BoltonHibee]

I worked with his sister last year. When I asked her if he ever fanced a move to hibs he said no chance. The boy wants to play in England

Did his sister say that in a really deep voice?

[PeterboroHibee]

I worked with his sister last year. When I asked her if he ever fanced a move to hibs he said no chance. The boy wants to play in England

Fair play to him, thats where all the money is I guess. He doesnt seem to be particularly in demand however, hes been available on a free for months after being a mainstay in a very good United team, and noone has offered him a deal.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Fair play to him, thats where all the money is I guess. He doesnt seem to be particularly in demand however, hes been available on a free for months after being a mainstay in a very good United team, and noone has offered him a deal.

There was actually talk of him returning to Dundee FC if they got SPL football...

[Mikey]

I know that's what the EEN says however, I'm led to believe that Kerr is away because he wants a deal pronto and we can't give him that, but that Maybury may have made the trip after all.

Well if Ozzy is indeed away that may make room for Kerr.

[Andy74]

Well if Ozzy is indeed away that may make room for Kerr.

hold me back...

[Wilson]

hold me back...

That is more than Ozzy would have done...

[ferry hibby]

With Ozzy away I would not mind someone like Kevin McDonald who was with Burnley and has not yet taken up Sheffield Utd offer of new contract. Someone who can add a bit of bite to the midfield.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

With Ozzy away I would not mind someone like Kevin McDonald who was with Burnley and has not yet taken up Sheffield Utd offer of new contract. Someone who can add a bit of bite to the midfield.

Completely disagree. He's 100% Mr. Unfulfilled Potential simply die to his attitude, it was only about 3 years ago he was making a real impression in the prem for his attacking play. But his absence of getting stuck in severely cost him, a bit like a few of our recent midfielders.

[IWasThere2016]

With Ozzy away I would not mind someone like Kevin McDonald who was with Burnley and has not yet taken up Sheffield Utd offer of new contract. Someone who can add a bit of bite to the midfield.

He has an improved offer from SU - which we couldnt match.

[Steven_Hibs]

Alan Maybury flew out to Holland today, I spoke to him, and he's hopeful that a deal will be done in the next few days. Says he's really keen to sign and would have no worries about playing for the Cabbage! Seems a geniune guy and he's defo not a Jambo :rolleyes:. Yes he has played for them, but he's Liverpool through and through :greengrin. I think he would be a great signing for us. Can play left or right back.

Maybury - McPake - Clancy - Booth Back 4! We have a winner :greengrin:thumbsup::agree::flag::cb

[Spike Mandela]

Well if Ozzy is indeed away that may make room for Kerr.

Can't believe anyone is seriously considering Mark Kerr as somebody to improve our midfield. A journeyman midfielder whose status is diminishing year on year in Footballing terms. Time to widen the search Pat.

[Hermit Crab]

Alan Maybury flew out to Holland today, I spoke to him, and he's hopeful that a deal will be done in the next few days. Says he's really keen to sign and would have no worries about playing for the Cabbage! Seems a geniune guy and he's defo not a Jambo :rolleyes:. Yes he has played for them, but he's Liverpool through and through :greengrin. I think he would be a great signing for us. Can play left or right back.

Maybury - McPake - Clancy - Booth Back 4! We have a winner :greengrin:thumbsup::agree::flag::cb

Interesting that he seems to want to sign. Was it the wages that were the hold up?

[S4uzee]

Can't believe anyone is seriously considering Mark Kerr as somebody to improve our midfield. A journeyman midfielder whose status is diminishing year on year in Footballing terms. Time to widen the search Pat.
Agree with this, doesn't offer more than claros IMO

[Macaroon]

Can't believe anyone is seriously considering Mark Kerr as somebody to improve our midfield. A journeyman midfielder whose status is diminishing year on year in Footballing terms. Time to widen the search Pat.
:top marks:agree::agree::agree::agree:

[DC_Hibs]

Interesting that he seems to want to sign. Was it the wages that were the hold up?

Just released by St Johnstone and 34 in a few weeks so its no surprise he wants to sign for us.
Fenlon was widely quoted recently that we're not in a position to offer him a deal right now but he would like to.

We have bigger priorities than Maybury hopefully. He did OK on Saturday from what I hear and is a good experienced pro but I'd suggest 3 or 4 other positions are more important right now. We have already signed Clancy who Fenlon stated was seen as a right back for us and that is Maybury's main position.
Yes he can be back up there with Clancy in centre and he could possibly play left back but again thats not a priority.
Quality over Quantity Patrick FFS.

I had hoped he was just getting training facilities when we first heard he was at East Mains.

Stay positive......

[DC_Hibs]

Alan Maybury flew out to Holland today, I spoke to him, and he's hopeful that a deal will be done in the next few days.

Did Ozzy make the flight Stevo?
Big black guy...looks a bit like a Pelican with a beak full of fish?

[The_Horde]

Just released by St Johnstone and 34 in a few weeks so its no surprise he wants to sign for us.
Fenlon was widely quoted recently that we're not in a position to offer him a deal right now but he would like to.

We have bigger priorities than Maybury hopefully. He did OK on Saturday from what I hear and is a good experienced pro but I'd suggest 3 or 4 other positions are more important right now. We have already signed Clancy who Fenlon stated was seen as a right back for us and that is Maybury's main position.
Yes he can be back up there with Clancy in centre and he could possibly play left back but again thats not a priority.
Quality over Quantity Patrick FFS.

I had hoped he was just getting training facilities when we first heard he was at East Mains.

Stay positive......

Did I not read a quote on here from the man himself saying saints had offered him a contract but he was weighing up his options?

[Walter]

;3298118']Did I not read a quote on here from the man himself saying saints had offered him a contract but he was weighing up his options?


Well if somebody offers you two bags of sweets it's wise to take a look in both before making your choice:cb

[Fisherrow Harp]

Petrie get it sorted :grr:

Sorry just always wanted to do that :cb.... ( oh and that :lips seal)

[GGTTH07]

Can't believe anyone is seriously considering Mark Kerr as somebody to improve our midfield. A journeyman midfielder whose status is diminishing year on year in Footballing terms. Time to widen the search Pat.

Spot on mate.

[J-C]

Can't believe anyone is seriously considering Mark Kerr as somebody to improve our midfield. A journeyman midfielder whose status is diminishing year on year in Footballing terms. Time to widen the search Pat.

He brought him in for a wee look, didn't show enough to get a deal and has moved on, at least PF is looking and not just sitting on his erse.

[Aldo]

I am more than certain that PF will have a few trialists in mind for the coming games.

I also believe that PF never stops trying to get folk in to try and improve the team... He's just been given a wee added bonus with the Ozzy windfall, albeit not that much but hopefully enough to bring in a replacement.

Let's see what develops this week... Hopefully LG in he next few days.

[HH81]

Alan Maybury flew out to Holland today, I spoke to him, and he's hopeful that a deal will be done in the next few days. Says he's really keen to sign and would have no worries about playing for the Cabbage! Seems a geniune guy and he's defo not a Jambo :rolleyes:. Yes he has played for them, but he's Liverpool through and through :greengrin. I think he would be a great signing for us. Can play left or right back.

Maybury - McPake - Clancy - Booth Back 4! We have a winner :greengrin:thumbsup::agree::flag::cb

Booth is not the answer at left back. Gets caught out too much.

[Aldo]

Booth is not the answer at left back. Gets caught out too much.

Agreed. If we sign may bury I have a funny feeling we might see him play there??

[NAE NOOKIE]

Booth is not the answer at left back. Gets caught out too much.

Agree ..... but I always thought there was a decent midfield player in the making there. Likes to get forward, has good movement and is decent on the ball.

[lucky]

Agree ..... but I always thought there was a decent midfield player in the making there. Likes to get forward, has good movement and is decent on the ball.

He is good going forward but I'm not sure about his defensive qualities in midfield and especially at the the back. This season is his last chance at Hibs or he will fall down the leagues. Successive managers have not picked him as a regular. I hope he can kick on and learn his trade and serve Hibs well but have my doubts

[PeterboroHibee]

He is good going forward but I'm not sure about his defensive qualities in midfield and especially at the the back. This season is his last chance at Hibs or he will fall down the leagues. Successive managers have not picked him as a regular. I hope he can kick on and learn his trade and serve Hibs well but have my doubts

Im sure he could play on the left of midfield if he had a decent LB and someone in midfield barking orders at him all game and keeping him focused. The majority of younger players, unless they are really special, will need that sort of experience around them, guiding them through games, which is something we seem to have lacked recently (look at the difference McPake made on Hanlon for example). Its a shame that he hasnt pushed on like we all would have hoped for, but hes only 21, and theres still plenty of time for him to turn things around.

[Golden Bear]

This thread on Hibs transfer rumours has already diversified from the original topic so here's another couple of snippets from today's Daily Express.

First of all, Gareth Evans has been appointed first team coach at Livingston and secondly Mark Kerr is now trying to win a contract with Carlisle United so it looks increasingly unlikely that he will be offered any deal with Hibs.

[Speedway]

Just to address the posts that are along the lines of 'We still need to sign 6/12/19/33/17 players' etc.

We know we're 2500 ST's down. Let's say we're on 6000 STs on that basis. Allowing for concessions, let's say we're seeing £275 for each ST paid over a looooooong time.

Hibs are then saying, right Paddy, we've lost money deluxe style but whatever is ST is coming in this year so although we're not actually seeing the money from the punters yet, we'll put up the equivalent.

So there you go Patricia, 6000 x 275 = £1.65m. Don't spend it all at once.

Now lets' say that when you adjust our squad for the likes of McPake and Williams who will be on reasonable money and Stanton/Caldwell who will be on nowt AND us still paying money to Jimmy Scott, let's say that every player is on around £1k a week or £52k a year, averaged out.

Stick on 12.8% N.I. contribution and every player gets paid, on average, approx £58.5k per year.

Now, we've got 24 players listed on the fishy. 24 players x £58.5k = £1.4m (this is all without goal and win bonuses - where's that cash coming from if it's needed?)

So, Fenners, you've bnow got circa £250k left to play with at best.

That leaves room for 2 £2k+ a week players when you add in other expenses.

We've said there will be 2-3 more coming in.

We apparently don't want cheap journeymen.

So how are we funding an extra 5-6-7-8-9 etc signings?

[silverhibee]

Booth is not the answer at left back. Gets caught out too much.


Maybury is not the answer at right back either, gets caught out too much. :greengrin

[The Sea-gull]

Really don't want us to sign Maybury or Kerr. A bit embarassing that we have even had them on trial. I know there is not a lot of money swirling around the SPL but I can't help but feel Dundee United and Aberdeen (teams who I believe we should be aiming to be as good as if not better season in season out) are managing to assemble far better squads than ours.

Maybury has journeyed around the SPL for a few years now. Deemed not good enough for Aberdeen 4 years ago and hardly a regular in the last two years at St Johnstone.

Kerr was bombed out of Aberdeen a couple of years back, went abroad and was available in January and signed for the mighty Dunfermline and hardly shone as they went down. If he was half decent still he would not have ended up there.

I do understand that times are hard but is it really that bad of me to think we can do better than these two guys?

The only way signing either (Maybury more so than Kerr) would be acceptable is to have as squad players but we have enough of those, we need some real quality of next season will be a struggle. Again.

Maybe I have to be realistic though and say that I really wanted the Huns down the leagues so now we have got that maybe this will be our level of signings.

[silverhibee]

Just to address the posts that are along the lines of 'We still need to sign 6/12/19/33/17 players' etc.

We know we're 2500 ST's down. Let's say we're on 6000 STs on that basis. Allowing for concessions, let's say we're seeing £275 for each ST paid over a looooooong time.

Hibs are then saying, right Paddy, we've lost money deluxe style but whatever is ST is coming in this year so although we're not actually seeing the money from the punters yet, we'll put up the equivalent.

So there you go Patricia, 6000 x 275 = £1.65m. Don't spend it all at once.

Now lets' say that when you adjust our squad for the likes of McPake and Williams who will be on reasonable money and Stanton/Caldwell who will be on nowt AND us still paying money to Jimmy Scott, let's say that every player is on around £1k a week or £52k a year, averaged out.

Stick on 12.8% N.I. contribution and every player gets paid, on average, approx £58.5k per year.

Now, we've got 24 players listed on the fishy. 24 players x £58.5k = £1.4m (this is all without goal and win bonuses - where's that cash coming from if it's needed?)

So, Fenners, you've bnow got circa £250k left to play with at best.

That leaves room for 2 £2k+ a week players when you add in other expenses.

We've said there will be 2-3 more coming in.

We apparently don't want cheap journeymen.

So how are we funding an extra 5-6-7-8-9 etc signings?



:faf:

[Speedway]

:faf:

:greengrin Assuming they ever become applicable. We better not score or win - we can't afford it.

[BEEJ]

Now, we've got 24 players listed on the fishy. 24 players x £58.5k = £1.4m (this is all without goal and win bonuses - where's that cash coming from if it's needed?)

So, Fenners, you've bnow got circa £250k left to play with at best.

That leaves room for 2 £2k+ a week players when you add in other expenses.

We've said there will be 2-3 more coming in.

So how are we funding an extra 5-6-7-8-9 etc signings?
The fishy stilll lists Mark Brown and Isaiah Osbourne in that 24.

So probably room for 4 players yet to be brought in. That would make it 15 departures and 8 signings in this window.

[Speedway]

The fishy stilll lists Mark Brown and Isaiah Osbourne in that 24.

So probably room for 4 players yet to be brought in. That would make it 15 departures and 8 signings in this window.

Talks are still ongoing with our 'shot-stopper' Brown.

[Hibs7]

Would let Brown go .... bye bye

[GreenOnions]

Just to address the posts that are along the lines of 'We still need to sign 6/12/19/33/17 players' etc.

We know we're 2500 ST's down. Let's say we're on 6000 STs on that basis. Allowing for concessions, let's say we're seeing £275 for each ST paid over a looooooong time.

Hibs are then saying, right Paddy, we've lost money deluxe style but whatever is ST is coming in this year so although we're not actually seeing the money from the punters yet, we'll put up the equivalent.

So there you go Patricia, 6000 x 275 = £1.65m. Don't spend it all at once.

Now lets' say that when you adjust our squad for the likes of McPake and Williams who will be on reasonable money and Stanton/Caldwell who will be on nowt AND us still paying money to Jimmy Scott, let's say that every player is on around £1k a week or £52k a year, averaged out.

Stick on 12.8% N.I. contribution and every player gets paid, on average, approx £58.5k per year.

Now, we've got 24 players listed on the fishy. 24 players x £58.5k = £1.4m (this is all without goal and win bonuses - where's that cash coming from if it's needed?)

So, Fenners, you've bnow got circa £250k left to play with at best.

That leaves room for 2 £2k+ a week players when you add in other expenses.

We've said there will be 2-3 more coming in.

We apparently don't want cheap journeymen.

So how are we funding an extra 5-6-7-8-9 etc signings?

This is a useful exercise and I agree with the general picture you're painting.

However, I feel that there are a number of the figures you use which, if amended, could change the picture dramatically.

You pointed out yourself the issue of win bonuses etc and it is very difficult to estimate the actual earnings of those already under contract.

However, if we take your figure of an average basic of £1kpw and also use your assumption of 6,000 ST holders I think it might be more accurate to use an average ST value of above the level you have used. The figure of £275 seems on the low side to me.

If we use £325 (still well below the cost of many tickets that will have been sold) and also assume that Osbourne has left - the picture looks a little different:

6,000 x £325 = £1,950,000. That is £300k more than your estimate. Let's say 23 players (now OZZY has gone) at the rate you used (£58.5K) = £1.35m

That leaves available budget of £600k for squad additions instead of the 250k you suggest and perhaps gives Pat a bit more to play with?

It's all speculation, I know, but ...........

[heretoday]

Really don't want us to sign Maybury or Kerr. A bit embarassing that we have even had them on trial. I know there is not a lot of money swirling around the SPL but I can't help but feel Dundee United and Aberdeen (teams who I believe we should be aiming to be as good as if not better season in season out) are managing to assemble far better squads than ours.

Maybury has journeyed around the SPL for a few years now. Deemed not good enough for Aberdeen 4 years ago and hardly a regular in the last two years at St Johnstone.

Kerr was bombed out of Aberdeen a couple of years back, went abroad and was available in January and signed for the mighty Dunfermline and hardly shone as they went down. If he was half decent still he would not have ended up there.

I do understand that times are hard but is it really that bad of me to think we can do better than these two guys?

The only way signing either (Maybury more so than Kerr) would be acceptable is to have as squad players but we have enough of those, we need some real quality of next season will be a struggle. Again.

Maybe I have to be realistic though and say that I really wanted the Huns down the leagues so now we have got that maybe this will be our level of signings.

You're right. It's embarrassing that we are chasing this standard of player and even more so that we apparently can't afford them!

[Part/Time Supporter]

This is a useful exercise and I agree with the general picture you're painting.

However, I feel that there are a number of the figures you use which, if amended, could change the picture dramatically.

You pointed out yourself the issue of win bonuses etc and it is very difficult to estimate the actual earnings of those already under contract.

However, if we take your figure of an average basic of £1kpw and also use your assumption of 6,000 ST holders I think it might be more accurate to use an average ST value of above the level you have used. The figure of £275 seems on the low side to me.

If we use £325 (still well below the cost of many tickets that will have been sold) and also assume that Osbourne has left - the picture looks a little different:

6,000 x £325 = £1,950,000. That is £300k more than your estimate. Let's say 23 players (now OZZY has gone) at the rate you used (£58.5K) = £1.35m

That leaves available budget of £600k for squad additions instead of the 250k you suggest and perhaps gives Pat a bit more to play with?

It's all speculation, I know, but ...........

You have to take £300K VAT out of your £1.9M income estimate.

[Mikey]

Didn't SL say that 6,800 ST's had been sold and that Hibs got an average of £200 per ST?

[Mikey]

A bit embarassing that we have even had them on trial.

I wonder how embarrassed the 2500 who haven't renewed are.

[BoltonHibee]

I think it was stated a few weeks ago that sales had been at 6,800 at that point and that after taking Vat etc out the average value was £200 per ticket

[GreenOnions]

You have to take £300K VAT out of your £1.9M income estimate.

I didn't think that football clubs had to pay tax .............. oh, sorry - I should be on the follow, follow board :wink:

[matty_f]

This is a useful exercise and I agree with the general picture you're painting.

However, I feel that there are a number of the figures you use which, if amended, could change the picture dramatically.

You pointed out yourself the issue of win bonuses etc and it is very difficult to estimate the actual earnings of those already under contract.

However, if we take your figure of an average basic of £1kpw and also use your assumption of 6,000 ST holders I think it might be more accurate to use an average ST value of above the level you have used. The figure of £275 seems on the low side to me.

If we use £325 (still well below the cost of many tickets that will have been sold) and also assume that Osbourne has left - the picture looks a little different:

6,000 x £325 = £1,950,000. That is £300k more than your estimate. Let's say 23 players (now OZZY has gone) at the rate you used (£58.5K) = £1.35m

That leaves available budget of £600k for squad additions instead of the 250k you suggest and perhaps gives Pat a bit more to play with?

It's all speculation, I know, but ...........
We average £200/season ticket.

[Sergio sledge]

Didn't SL say that 6,800 ST's had been sold and that Hibs got an average of £200 per ST?

Didn't Petrie say on that TV debate that BBC Scotland had that the average price for a season ticket at ER last season was £12 per game, so £228 total?

[eastmainsmsh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kky_DP00yTM signed for livi looks a player :agree:

we could do with a similar sort of player mustve been recommended to Collins

[Mikey]

Didn't Petrie say on that TV debate that BBC Scotland had that the average price for a season ticket at ER last season was £12 per game, so £228 total?

SL's figure is much more recent and comes after a lot of "kids" renewed so they could get a cup final ticket :wink:

[matty_f]

Didn't Petrie say on that TV debate that BBC Scotland had that the average price for a season ticket at ER last season was £12 per game, so £228 total?
The average has come down because a lot of people bought kids' season tickets to get cup final tickets.

[Smidge]

I wonder how embarrassed the 2500 who haven't renewed are.

Not embarrassed at all.

I haven't renewed due to a substantial change in my circumstances since the beginning of last season and it is not a luxury that I can afford. Didn't even use my ST for half the games last year, so would have been struggling to justify it even if I had the money. Given the current economic conditions, there will probably be others in the same situation. Had plenty of occasions during my time as an ST holder when I could have not bothered because the football was p1sh, but this isn't one of them.

[scoopyboy]

This thread on Hibs transfer rumours has already diversified from the original topic so here's another couple of snippets from today's Daily Express.

First of all, Gareth Evans has been appointed first team coach at Livingston and secondly Mark Kerr is now trying to win a contract with Carlisle United so it looks increasingly unlikely that he will be offered any deal with Hibs.

Good news for us Evans got Livi job, we were still paying him!!!!!

I think we might go for Kerr, until he signs a deal with someone else he is still gettable.

[Macaroon]

Not embarrassed at all.

I haven't renewed due to a substantial change in my circumstances since the beginning of last season and it is not a luxury that I can afford. Didn't even use my ST for half the games last year, so would have been struggling to justify it even if I had the money. Given the current economic conditions, there will probably be others in the same situation. Had plenty of occasions during my time as an ST holder when I could have not bothered because the football was p1sh, but this isn't one of them.

Someone who can't afford a ticket is much different to someone who can and chooses not to as they expect the team to do well without their money.

[Sergio sledge]

SL's figure is much more recent and comes after a lot of "kids" renewed so they could get a cup final ticket :wink:


The average has come down because a lot of people bought kids' season tickets to get cup final tickets.

:aok:

[ruthven_raiders]

Surely given the economic situation throughout Europe we should be having loads of trialist from Spain Greece etc as there must be many players struggling to get clubs? We seem to be getting names banded about from Ireland Scotland England, any rumours that PF is spreading his net wide and far?

[SneakersO'Toole]

Maybury and Kerr are about inspiring as a kick in the nads.

Surely we can afford better than SPL journeymen.

[McPake6]

Just wandering if anyones heard any news on strikers coming in? Heard that Griffiths in Edinburgh at the moment... GGTTH:flag:

[The Sea-gull]

I wonder how embarrassed the 2500 who haven't renewed are.

It is the board that should be embarrassed as it is they who did not invest enough when attendances were good circa 2004 to 2010. And what they did invest was invested in poor managers who in turn bought poor players. The fans were just taken for granted and nobody should feel embarrassed for not wanting to fork out at a time when money is tight when their money has been ill spent in the past.

[Andy74]

Didn't SL say that 6,800 ST's had been sold and that Hibs got an average of £200 per ST?

That's right. They get about £200 on average for each ST.

[IWasThere2016]

Just to address the posts that are along the lines of 'We still need to sign 6/12/19/33/17 players' etc.

We know we're 2500 ST's down. Let's say we're on 6000 STs on that basis. Allowing for concessions, let's say we're seeing £275 for each ST paid over a looooooong time.

Hibs are then saying, right Paddy, we've lost money deluxe style but whatever is ST is coming in this year so although we're not actually seeing the money from the punters yet, we'll put up the equivalent.

So there you go Patricia, 6000 x 275 = £1.65m. Don't spend it all at once.

Now lets' say that when you adjust our squad for the likes of McPake and Williams who will be on reasonable money and Stanton/Caldwell who will be on nowt AND us still paying money to Jimmy Scott, let's say that every player is on around £1k a week or £52k a year, averaged out.

Stick on 12.8% N.I. contribution and every player gets paid, on average, approx £58.5k per year.

Now, we've got 24 players listed on the fishy. 24 players x £58.5k = £1.4m (this is all without goal and win bonuses - where's that cash coming from if it's needed?)

So, Fenners, you've bnow got circa £250k left to play with at best.

That leaves room for 2 £2k+ a week players when you add in other expenses.

We've said there will be 2-3 more coming in.

We apparently don't want cheap journeymen.

So how are we funding an extra 5-6-7-8-9 etc signings?

I thought it was clearly established on another thread that the payroll is c£4m and the cost of the squad is more than the STs income.

[BEEJ]

Good news for us Evans got Livi job, we were still paying him!!!!!
:Ummm:

Just how many former members of our coaching staff are we still paying, or have we been paying months after their departure from ER?

Yogi was in the same boat, as I recall?

[Tyler Durden]

He is good going forward but I'm not sure about his defensive qualities in midfield and especially at the the back. This season is his last chance at Hibs or he will fall down the leagues. Successive managers have not picked him as a regular. I hope he can kick on and learn his trade and serve Hibs well but have my doubts

Calderwood did pick Booth regularly, he was our best player from Jan-May 2011.

Booth is one of the few players we have who's shown he can dribble, pass, cross and score goals. The managers job is to get the best of his resources, not just sign players for every role. If we can't make a player out of Booth, Hibs may as well pack in.

[Eyrie]

I thought it was clearly established on another thread that the payroll is c£4m and the cost of the squad is more than the STs income.
Bear in mind that the £4m shown in the accounts is for all employees and so includes youths, coaching staff, grounds, admin, directors, shop, hospitality etc as well as the first team squad.

[Tyler Durden]

And also that the £4m was at our last financial year. We've since lost about 15 players.

[Mark79]

Bear in mind that the £4m shown in the accounts is for all employees and so includes youths, coaching staff, grounds, admin, directors, shop, hospitality etc as well as the first team squad.

Thats just Tam McCourts salary.

[--------]

Calderwood did pick Booth regularly, he was our best player from Jan-May 2011.

Booth is one of the few players we have who's shown he can dribble, pass, cross and score goals. The managers job is to get the best of his resources, not just sign players for every role. If we can't make a player out of Booth, Hibs may as well pack in.


Callum had problems with injuries last season but according to PF is back fit and training hard. It may be that Pat sees him as an option for the midfield rather than LB - he wouldn't be the first to start off in defence and move forward into midfield. We're looking for someone to run at the opposition - I could see him doing just that thing rather effectively.

Alan Maybury can play in a number of defensive positions and is IMO a proven seasoned pro, if a tad long in the tooth - he WOULD give us cover in defence, though. The thing about his training full-time with the squad is that it's given Pat the opportunity to assess his fitness as a full-time member of the squad rather than just running the eye over him in a couple of bounce games where he might look OK but be struggling to following day.

One thing which occurred to me - we're now talking about a League re-org. Maybe we won't have to worry about relegation at all next May ....

[scoopyboy]

:Ummm:

Just how many former members of our coaching staff are we still paying, or have we been paying months after their departure from ER?

Yogi was in the same boat, as I recall?

Alistair Stevenson is the only one now I believe.

[BoltonHibee]

Good news for us Evans got Livi job, we were still paying him!!!!!

I think we might go for Kerr, until he signs a deal with someone else he is still gettable.

How is that good news for us SB?

I guess you are saying that we don't have to pay him any more, but is that actually the case in this instance?

[scoopyboy]

How is that good news for us SB?

I guess you are saying that we don't have to pay him any more, but is that actually the case in this instance?

Correct my friend.

[SMAXXA]

Callum had problems with injuries last season but according to PF is back fit and training hard. It may be that Pat sees him as an option for the midfield rather than LB - he wouldn't be the first to start off in defence and move forward into midfield. We're looking for someone to run at the opposition - I could see him doing just that thing rather effectively.

Alan Maybury can play in a number of defensive positions and is IMO a proven seasoned pro, if a tad long in the tooth - he WOULD give us cover in defence, though. The thing about his training full-time with the squad is that it's given Pat the opportunity to assess his fitness as a full-time member of the squad rather than just running the eye over him in a couple of bounce games where he might look OK but be struggling to following day.

One thing which occurred to me - we're now talking about a League re-org. Maybe we won't have to worry about relegation at all next May ....

I was thinking the exact same thing earlier on today. I wonder if Rod has a sneaky wee inside heads up that there will be no relegation (League restructure next season and the return of the huns possibly, who knows with the fools running our game) this season and we will not be signing anyone notable and just going with what we have with a few cheap freeby options. Also would make sense why we are selling Ozzy to get some much needed income as im sure he would have been on a decent wage comming from Villa.

Hope im wrong though as would be a right p*sh season if this is the case. Other teams probs wont be signing players either but at least most of thenm have a relitvley decent squad, we dont.

Can see it now Rods got his speach written out, the demise of Rangers prevented us from signing players :greengrin

[BEEJ]

Alistair Stevenson is the only one now I believe.
Well I guess it's an alternative to handing them a lump-sum in compensation. But they do seem to stay on the payroll for some considerable time.

If the rumours are true there would have been a point late in 2011 when the following former employees would have all still been on the payroll - John Hughes, Colin Calderwood, Gareth Evans and Alistair Stevenson.

Do you know if the plan is to keep AS on the club payroll until he gets another job; or have they put an end date on the arrangement?

[Iggy Pope]

Alistair Stevenson is the only one now I believe.

Questions like this are raised regularly at each AGM with stupefyingly vague response from the board.

Given your obvious knowledge of the goings on at East Mains have you ever been tempted to stand and challenge 'good news' like this at such gatherings, rather than keep it for this somewhat secluded forum?

[IWasThere2016]

Bear in mind that the £4m shown in the accounts is for all employees and so includes youths, coaching staff, grounds, admin, directors, shop, hospitality etc as well as the first team squad.

I'm very aware of that, thanks. But there is no way the playing staff are just 40% of the payroll.

[Hibby 2005]

Questions like this are raised regularly at each AGM with stupefyingly vague response from the board.

Given your obvious knowledge of the goings on at East Mains have you ever been tempted to stand and challenge 'good news' like this at such gatherings, rather than keep it for this somewhat secluded forum?

Conspiracy theories ha, ha, ha!

[SouthMoroccoStu]

With a reported £250k coming in for the sale of Osbourne, would this be enough to secure the signings and services of Sandaza, Griffiths and Shiels?

I genuinely believe it would be.

Add this to the signing of Maybury And Another midfielder and we ll be ready of the start of the season. This can also be the season to put some faith in the youth. A mixture a budget and reward I hope.

I see the transfer fee as for Osbourne as bonus money so should be PF to spend.

These 3 signings would restore some faith from the walk up suppoters.

[jodjam]

Just curious as not read much last couple of days but is the 250k you mention true? I would have guessed somewhere in the 75-100k region.

[easty]

With a reported £250k coming in for the sale of Osbourne, would this be enough to secure the signings and services of Sandaza, Griffiths and Shiels?

I genuinely believe it would be.

Add this to the signing of Maybury And Another midfielder and we ll be ready of the start of the season. This can also be the season to put some faith in the youth. A mixture a budget and reward I hope.

I see the transfer fee as for Osbourne as bonus money so should be PF to spend.

These 3 signings would restore some faith from the walk up suppoters.

You're in dreamland mate.

[Sumner]

Sadly this is as real world as Disneyland..
Rod won't be writing cheques now his plan
to let the Govan Stealers in Div.1 has folded
faster than Superman on laundry day.

[PeterboroHibee]

With a reported £250k coming in for the sale of Osbourne, would this be enough to secure the signings and services of Sandaza, Griffiths and Shiels?

I genuinely believe it would be.

Add this to the signing of Maybury And Another midfielder and we ll be ready of the start of the season. This can also be the season to put some faith in the youth. A mixture a budget and reward I hope.

I see the transfer fee as for Osbourne as bonus money so should be PF to spend.

These 3 signings would restore some faith from the walk up suppoters.

You have us signing 5 players a few days after Fenlon came out saying that a strikers priority, and hes unsure whether he will even be able to sign Maybury? He also said that the money from Osbourne will hopefully let him bring in another player. I like what you have suggested but we, along with everyone else in the SPL, just cant manage that sort of thing anymore.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Just curious as not read much last couple of days but is the 250k you mention true? I would have guessed somewhere in the 75-100k region.

Sky Sports believes.....

Link (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11728/7912434/Osbourne-talks-underway)

This is where I'm coming from. The fee is much higher than I would have thought.

More money, more players.

[easty]

Sky Sports believes.....

Link (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11728/7912434/Osbourne-talks-underway)

This is where I'm coming from. The fee is much higher than I would have thought.

More money, more players.

Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!

[matty_f]

Sadly this is as real world as Disneyland..
Rod won't be writing cheques now his plan
to let the Govan Stealers in Div.1 has folded
faster than Superman on laundry day.
Rod voted against Sevco, and Scott Lindsay deals with the transfers, but apart from that your post is spot on.

[--------]

Sadly this is as real world as Disneyland..
Rod won't be writing cheques now his plan
to let the Govan Stealers in Div.1 has folded
faster than Superman on laundry day.


I really don't think so. :bitchy:

Unlike a lot of the fans who were calling for Sevco to be put into Div Three (I was one of them, btw) RP had done the sums and knew what the cost to Hib and the rest of the SPL was likely to be. But as far as I'm aware, he voted for Sevco to be barred from the SPL which, since he hasn't a vote in any meeting of SFL chairmen, was as much as he could do.

[Peevemor]

Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!

He's a first team regular that will have to be replaced if/when he's sold. Blackpool obviously rate him so, within reason, Hibs hold all the cards.

[DC_Hibs]

Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!

They've got as much of a clue about the fee as you and me - none. It's a total guess and does Hibs no favours as it will be adopted as gospel by many (like Riordans 20k a week wage in China) and we've now got someone that reckons we should sign shiels, sandaza and griffiths!!!

Holy **** indeed.

[J-C]

Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!


Probably because he'll thrive in English footie, compared to the 100mph football we have here, more time on the ball = better football played.

[Hibee87]

Callum had problems with injuries last season but according to PF is back fit and training hard. It may be that Pat sees him as an option for the midfield rather than LB - he wouldn't be the first to start off in defence and move forward into midfield. We're looking for someone to run at the opposition - I could see him doing just that thing rather effectively.

Alan Maybury can play in a number of defensive positions and is IMO a proven seasoned pro, if a tad long in the tooth - he WOULD give us cover in defence, though. The thing about his training full-time with the squad is that it's given Pat the opportunity to assess his fitness as a full-time member of the squad rather than just running the eye over him in a couple of bounce games where he might look OK but be struggling to following day.

One thing which occurred to me - we're now talking about a League re-org. Maybe we won't have to worry about relegation at all next May ....


Not being funny but i must be the only one who cant see what booth has thats so amazing? Dont get me worng i like seeing our youth players come thorough the ranks and excel in the team but booth to me has never done any of the things I keep hearing. - except for one goal, a brilliant goal at that, but nothing else.
He cant tackle and doesnt have a great positional sense to play left back.
Left midfield people keep telling me he would be better at but I have yet to see him beat a man or even have a qucik turn of pace youd expect form a winger. The only thing ive ever seen him do is run at a player then cut inside onto his right foot where he then has to pass to one of the CM's. His pace looks nothing out of the ordinary, infact sometimes he seems to run on treacle

I hope im wrong and am not seeing what everyone else is but for me I dont see anything in there, and I know he was fit for good parts of last season under Fenlon and failed to make the bench so I dont think im alone in this view.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Probably because he'll thrive in English footie, compared to the 100mph football we have here, more time on the ball = better football played.

That will be why he hardly ever got a game for Villa and bumped around a few lower division teams on loan?

[scoopyboy]

Questions like this are raised regularly at each AGM with stupefyingly vague response from the board.

Given your obvious knowledge of the goings on at East Mains have you ever been tempted to stand and challenge 'good news' like this at such gatherings, rather than keep it for this somewhat secluded forum?

Although I am a shareholder I haven't attended an AGM for many years.

I never changed my address when I moved house in 2002 so I don't get Annual report and bumff that goes with it.

I must do so actually and start going back to AGMs.

Not sure if I would stand up and challenge them on it as they don't like people challenging them with info they are not meant to have.

Would depend on how I felt on the night.

[scoopyboy]

Well I guess it's an alternative to handing them a lump-sum in compensation. But they do seem to stay on the payroll for some considerable time.

If the rumours are true there would have been a point late in 2011 when the following former employees would have all still been on the payroll - John Hughes, Colin Calderwood, Gareth Evans and Alistair Stevenson.

Do you know if the plan is to keep AS on the club payroll until he gets another job; or have they put an end date on the arrangement?

Don't honestly know.

AS was in a strange situation. He was employed by HTC as opposed to HFC. The idea being that if a management team at HFC was removed (Hughes / Rice / CC etc) then HTC employees would avoid the cull.

However I believe CC "promoted" him to HFC and therefore he bit the dust.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17608735

Available on a free from Burnley

Looked a great prospect at Hamilton, 6ft 3 with a fair bit of pace about him, also covered CB at times...

[HibbyKeith]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17608735

Available on a free from Burnley

Looked a great prospect at Hamilton, 6ft 3 with a fair bit of pace about him, also covered CB at times...

We currently have Booth, Kujabi & Hanlon all available to play at left back, and McPake, Hanlon, O'hanlon, Stephens & Clancy all able to play at CB.

it's Right back cover (suppose wotherspoon could play there if the poop hit the fan), midfielders and strikers we are really crying out for.

[Iggy Pope]

We currently have Booth, Kujabi & Hanlon all available to play at left back, and McPake, Hanlon, O'hanlon, Stephens & Clancy all able to play at CB.

it's Right back cover (suppose wotherspoon could play there if the poop hit the fan), midfielders and strikers we are really crying out for.

Clancy and Maybury both played RB at East Fife on Saturday.

[NOLA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17608735

Available on a free from Burnley

Looked a great prospect at Hamilton, 6ft 3 with a fair bit of pace about him, also covered CB at times...
wages.

[scoopyboy]

wages.

Isn't getting any.

[HibbyKeith]

Clancy and Maybury both played RB at East Fife on Saturday.

yeah, but maybury is not a hibs player yet.

[SteveHFC]

@AgentScotland: Gary Kenneth has attracted interest from both Aberdeen and Hibs, he wants to go to England but offers are scarce so SPL now showing interest

[MyJo]

@AgentScotland: Gary Kenneth has attracted interest from both Aberdeen and Hibs, he wants to go to England but offers are scarce so SPL now showing interest

Mcpake and Kenneth at centre back, hanlon at left back?

[franco]

@AgentScotland: Gary Kenneth has attracted interest from both Aberdeen and Hibs, he wants to go to England but offers are scarce so SPL now showing interest

He's training with Dundee at the moment