BBC 3, Exposed: Groomed For Sex

[Elephant Stone]

There's a pretty disturbing program on BBC 3 just now about Muslim men grooming underage white girls. It seems to be quite a taboo topic of discussion, Jack Straw got a rough time earlier in the year for suggesting there was a problem. It seems pretty clear there is a problem and hopefully it can be discussed without fear of cries of racism.

Anyone see it?

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There's a pretty disturbing program on BBC 3 just now about Muslim men grooming underage white girls. It seems to be quite a taboo topic of discussion, Jack Straw got a rough time earlier in the year for suggesting there was a problem. It seems pretty clear there is a problem and hopefully it can be discussed without fear of cries of racism.

Anyone see it?


Sorry I missed that.

Is it too cynical to suggest that this is one documentary that won't be repeated? I'm surprised they were allowed to air it at all.

[Betty Boop]

Sorry I missed that.

Is it too cynical to suggest that this is one documentary that won't be repeated? I'm surprised they were allowed to air it at all.

Why don't ypu watch it on the BBC I player ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0183jpb/Exposed_Groomed_for_Sex/

[SRHibs]

Just what we need in this era of growing intolerance of Islam.

[steakbake]

I saw it. Not really sure what to make of it. Apart from all the difficulties in securing convictions in sexual assault and rape cases, there is the added factor of things being hushed up within the community. It's not uncommon for offenders to flee the country to other parts of the world, often aided and abetted by their families. I thought the use of an UK-Asian reporter was very important and I must say, he's a brave man to turn the mirror in that way.

The wider issue though is a society in the UK which is sexualised at a very early age and where sexual objectification of people - primarily teenage girls - is actually very blatant. Who can forget the tabloids classy countdown to Charlotte Church's 16th birthday and the same treatment that Emma Watson got?

Similarly, young Asian women are not objectified in this way. It would be dishonourable from a Brit-Asian point of view and the White culture I think, wouldn't dare. So what messages does the dominant White "working class" mainstream culture give out to those who might hold alternative views, especially where those views are most different and pronounced in relation to attitudes towards to gender and sex?

[Pete]

How many days was this thread up before it was replied to?
I think lots of people with left wing views had their guns trained and were just waiting to pull the trigger.



I think this is a complex issue that simply can't be swept under the carpet or put down to "islamaphobia"...and it must be tackled head on.
This is an underclass of racists that are trying to "get back" at the people who they believe have oppressed their grandparents and the people who have marginalised them in the present day. They're stuck in the past and bigoted because it suits them and their "gangster" lifestyle.

These people are at least third generation British so why do they feel so detached from normal society that they have to discriminate and racially manipulate in the most abhorrent way?

I have some answers to that but they cant excuse these peoples behaviour and they have to be punished as racist criminals.

The borders are open and people in Britain are worried about immigration. Why are tens of millions of pounds not ploughed into projects that remove the fears that people have regarding immigration? Racism stems from fear and fear comes from unfamiliarity.
There shouldn't be a chinese community or an asian community...there should be one collective community comprised of people. This is the sort of message that I feel needs to hammered home and tens of millions spent on this will save so much more in the long term. I'm not sure it can be done under the "British" banner though. We're doing it in Scotland to an extent but maybe the English have to go down a similar road.

There are countless amounts of Eastern Europeans over here and even though they're "invisible", we cant afford to make the same mistake twice by alienating a certain group of people. Full and welcoming integration is the only way forward or they will retreat and try and fight back against what they percieve as an injustice either now or in the future via future generations.

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Why don't ypu watch it on the BBC I player ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0183jpb/Exposed_Groomed_for_Sex/

Will do.

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Just what we need in this era of growing intolerance of Islam.


So if this is happening, we ignore it for fear of annoying certain sections of the Muslim population?

I've just finished watching the program. Excellent, balanced piece of reporting.

It deals with one specific set of offences - kerbside grooming of young teenage girls by groups of men in big, expensive cars - which happens to be disproportionately applicable to a certain section of the Muslim community.

Significantly it would appear that a number of imams and Muslim community leaders are more open and ready to confront the issue than some white liberals are to really ask why British society has such serious and growing problems in the area of sexual exploitation.

[Phil D. Rolls]

How many days was this thread up before it was replied to?
I think lots of people with left wing views had their guns trained and were just waiting to pull the trigger.



I think this is a complex issue that simply can't be swept under the carpet or put down to "islamaphobia"...and it must be tackled head on.
This is an underclass of racists that are trying to "get back" at the people who they believe have oppressed their grandparents and the people who have marginalised them in the present day. They're stuck in the past and bigoted because it suits them and their "gangster" lifestyle.

These people are at least third generation British so why do they feel so detached from normal society that they have to discriminate and racially manipulate in the most abhorrent way?

I have some answers to that but they cant excuse these peoples behaviour and they have to be punished as racist criminals.

The borders are open and people in Britain are worried about immigration. Why are tens of millions of pounds not ploughed into projects that remove the fears that people have regarding immigration? Racism stems from fear and fear comes from unfamiliarity.
There shouldn't be a chinese community or an asian community...there should be one collective community comprised of people. This is the sort of message that I feel needs to hammered home and tens of millions spent on this will save so much more in the long term. I'm not sure it can be done under the "British" banner though. We're doing it in Scotland to an extent but maybe the English have to go down a similar road.

There are countless amounts of Eastern Europeans over here and even though they're "invisible", we cant afford to make the same mistake twice by alienating a certain group of people. Full and welcoming integration is the only way forward or they will retreat and try and fight back against what they percieve as an injustice either now or in the future via future generations.

I think that it is racist to ignore the possibilty that the culture and affluence of some communities within our country can lead to the suspicions raised by this programme. It seems that anyone who tries to raise the issue is immediately branded a racist.

I have no experience to base an opinion on, but I think we should encourage debate on the issue.

[Alec Splode]

...There shouldn't be a chinese community or an asian community...there should be one collective community .. .

That aint ever going to happen.
Of course there should be a chinese community, an asian one, a polish community and a leith community.

The problems not racial or geographic, it's religious .

If slavish doctrine dictating boundaries on sex and marriage wasn't so predominant in certain religions, grooming and sexual abuse would be substantially reduced..

[Phil D. Rolls]

That aint ever going to happen.
Of course there should be a chinese community, an asian one, a polish community and a leith community.

The problems not racial or geographic, it's religious .

If slavish doctrine dictating boundaries on sex and marriage wasn't so predominant in certain religions, grooming and sexual abuse would be substantially reduced..

Good point. :agree:

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This clip might be relevant here - sexual harassment and abuse occur in every culture. I doubt it's any different in constitutionally secular societies either.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16172815 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16172815)




BTW - on a totally lighter note - check out the shirt the wee guy's wearing around about 25 seconds in ...

[Alec Splode]

This clip might be relevant here - sexual harassment and abuse occur in every culture. I doubt it's any different in constitutionally secular societies either.


(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16172815)http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16172815

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The clip's relevant to what I was getting at.

Although India may be constitutionally secular it's also incredibly religious; with caste laws and marital traditions playing what I'd reckon's an important role in it's disproportionate examples of domestic abuse and sexual harassment of women - as shown in the article.

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The clip's relevant to what I was getting at.

Although India may be constitutionally secular it's also incredibly religious; with caste laws and marital traditions playing what I'd reckon's an important role in it's disproportionate examples of domestic abuse and sexual harassment of women - as shown in the article.


:agree:


It's a sad thing, but many men don't need an excuse to act abusively towards women, but if they can point to something in their culture or religion to justify their attitude ...

I have to say I've come across "christian" men who used selective quotes to justify their domineering attitude towards their wives and daughters, and didn't appreciate being told how unacceptable their behaviour was.

But then I've also come across guys with no religious affiliation at all who were absolutely vile in their behaviour towards their womenfolk and children.

[Alec Splode]

:agree:


It's a sad thing, but many men don't need an excuse to act abusively towards women, but if they can point to something in their culture or religion to justify their attitude ...

I have to say I've come across "christian" men who used selective quotes to justify their domineering attitude towards their wives and daughters, and didn't appreciate being told how unacceptable their behaviour was.

But then I've also come across guys with no religious affiliation at all who were absolutely vile in their behaviour towards their womenfolk and children.

Yep. Sadly it happens everywhere.
However, as the well-balanced BBC 3 documentary suggested, the particular instances of grooming by Pakistani men in the Midlands seems to be down to religious background and sexual repression. :furious: