New SPL TV deal has been agreed [Archive]

iwasthere1972

21-11-2011, 03:42 PM

Details to be announced over the next wee while.

Midnight kick-offs anyone? :wink:

New kick off times have been planned with the worker in mind. The new initiative involves 3 different kick off times.

Day Worker. 7.45pm Monday

Back Shift. Midnight Friday

Night Shift. 9.00am Sunday

It's the way forward

You heard it here first. :aok:

R'Albin

21-11-2011, 03:44 PM

Bring back 1805 on a Sunday, they were good times :thumbsup:

The police don't allow it as folk will have had more time to booze before a game. Stupid theory because surely if it's a 1230 KO then folk get up earlier so will probably end up boozing for longer :confused:

YehButNoBut

21-11-2011, 03:52 PM

SteveHFC

21-11-2011, 03:55 PM

5.30 Kick offs on saturday please:agree:

Billy Whizz

21-11-2011, 03:58 PM

5.30 Kick offs on saturday please:agree:

Or 6.05pm on a Sunday. A famous victory was achieved at this ko time

PatHead

21-11-2011, 04:04 PM

Wouldn't bet against Friday night football due to trials being carried out.

iwasthere1972

21-11-2011, 04:14 PM

@scotzine (https://twitter.com/#%21/scotzine) Andy M @ Scotzine
SPL TV deal is worth around £80 million over five seasons - improved from previous £65 million deal

Hopefully more evenly distributed outwith the Old Firm. :agree:

So that's an extra £3 million a year (£16 million compared to £13 million). A 23% rise. Not too bad considering the product on offer and the financial climate. There are costs to be taken out of that before we even see a share.

All revenues generated by the SPL are effectively put into one pot. A support payment to the SFL and parachute payments to recently relegated clubs are then deducted from that pot. All associated costs of running the SPL are also deducted.

The remaining amount is split two ways to the member clubs: 48% is divided equally between all 12 clubs while 52% is distributed to teams dependent upon their final league position. The higher up the table that a club finishes, the more money they will receive.

I haven't really got the energy or the desire to try and guess what this deal could mean for Hibs but if someone wants to then feel free.

Stuff it. All clubs should give the difference to the "Keep us afloat Yam Appeal"

Mikey

21-11-2011, 04:26 PM

The remaining amount is split two ways to the member clubs: 48% is divided equally between all 12 clubs while 52% is distributed to teams dependent upon their final league position. The higher up the table that a club finishes, the more money they will receive.

I haven't really got the energy or the desire to try and guess what this deal could mean for Hibs but if someone wants to then feel free.

We're all guranteed 4% each season and the remainder is split according to league placings. Does anyone know what the split of that 52% is? One thing's for sure, there'll be a big gap between 1st/2nd and the rest :rolleyes:

PaulSmith

21-11-2011, 04:31 PM

I'm not going to knock it as its on the face of it a good deal..if I were a shareholder in SKY or ESPN I'd be asking why they didn't give it a £20m take it or leave it though!

HH81

21-11-2011, 04:32 PM

iwasthere1972

21-11-2011, 04:36 PM

We're all guranteed 4% each season and the remainder is split according to league placings. Does anyone know what the split of that 52% is? One thing's for sure, there'll be a big gap between 1st/2nd and the rest :rolleyes:

Something like this. The first column is the initial payment and the second the placing payment. I don't know how much each placing is worth but each .5% is about £80K. In other words if we finish in 11th place we will get £80K more than the Yams in 12th. :greengrin Hope that makes sense.

1 4.0% 13.0% 17.0%
2 4.0% 11.0% 15.0%
3 4.0% 5.5% 9.5%
4 4.0% 4.5% 8.5%
5 4.0% 4.0% 8.0%
6 4.0% 3.5% 7.5%
7 4.0% 3.0% 7.0%
8 4.0% 2.5% 6.5%
9 4.0% 2.0% 6.0%
10 4.0% 1.5% 5.5%
11 4.0% 1.0% 5.0%
12 4.0% 0.5% 4.5%

marinello59

21-11-2011, 04:37 PM

That is still a very poor deal.

How much do you think the TV rights are actually worth then? (I have no idea whatsoever.)

Aldoo

21-11-2011, 04:44 PM

I think we can kiss goodbye to league expansion to 16 teams for the next 5 years as you have to
assume in the t&c that sky have insisted on 4 old firm games a season.

iwasthere1972

21-11-2011, 04:44 PM

I'm not going to knock it as its on the face of it a good deal..if I were a shareholder in SKY or ESPN I'd be asking why they didn't give it a £20m take it or leave it though!

Well if they did then there is absolutely no way that even the SPL would have considered it. It would be interesting to see what increase in attendances we would get if none of the games were televised. Obviously this would not have any affect on Tynecastle as they are sold out for every match. :wink:

This is my dig at the Yams day.

PISTOL1875

21-11-2011, 04:47 PM

The police don't allow it as folk will have had more time to booze before a game. Stupid theory because surely if it's a 1230 KO then folk get up earlier so will probably end up boozing for longer :confused:

No its not.. It is infact a good idea so we don't have a repeat performance of this............

http://youtu.be/Sorv6BOHf9c

WhileTheChief..

21-11-2011, 04:48 PM

So despite fans up and down the country saying they want Saturday 3pm football, once again we are treated like crap and have this forced on us for another 5 years. Grim.

Mikey

21-11-2011, 04:55 PM

1 4.0% 13.0% 17.0%
2 4.0% 11.0% 15.0%
3 4.0% 5.5% 9.5%

Funny that eh!

Saorsa

21-11-2011, 05:09 PM

Funny that eh!Nothing funny about it, everybody agrees tae it knowing full well who 99 times out of 100 is going tae finish 1 & 2 so I guess you get what you deserve when you keep bending over and taking it up the jacksie from the OF time and again.

RyeSloan

21-11-2011, 05:38 PM

Well everybody agrees tae it knowing full well who 99 times out of 100 is going tae finish 1 & 2 so I guess you get what you deserve when you keep bending over and taking it up the jacksie from the OF time and again.

Or you could be realistic and say that SKY and ESPN are prepared to pay what they have only due to the OF.

So first and second take 32% of the total...that leaves 68% for the rest...I'm pretty confident that the draw of the OF for the broadcasters adds more than a 32% premium to what they would offer for the rights without the OF included and the current split is probably beneficial to the league as a whole compared to what could be brought in if each team were to sell their rights individually.

The fact the OF have significantly larger turnovers than the rest has little to do with the SPL TV money and even taking the whole £5m or so that goes to 1st and 2nd would only increase the other 10 teams turnover by £0.5m each....hardly enough to 'close the gap' is it!

Not saying there shouldn't be something done to level the playing field and encourage more competition but TV money distribution is not the primary driver of the OF and the rest gap.

Saorsa

21-11-2011, 05:54 PM

Or you could be realistic and say that SKY and ESPN are prepared to pay what they have only due to the OF.

So first and second take 32% of the total...that leaves 68% for the rest...I'm pretty confident that the draw of the OF for the broadcasters adds more than a 32% premium to what they would offer for the rights without the OF included and the current split is probably beneficial to the league as a whole compared to what could be brought in if each team were to sell their rights individually.

The fact the OF have significantly larger turnovers than the rest has little to do with the SPL TV money and even taking the whole £5m or so that goes to 1st and 2nd would only increase the other 10 teams turnover by £0.5m each....hardly enough to 'close the gap' is it!

Not saying there shouldn't be something done to level the playing field and encourage more competition but TV money distribution is not the primary driver of the OF and the rest gap.They also agree tae nae OF hame games on TV (except v each other) so OF gates/ST holders aren't affected while agreeing tae their own hame gates being affected and their own ST holders tae be ****ed about left right and centre, with games moved tae stupid days and times that some folk who have paid cannae make. 1 game missed makes a ST almost pointless, with the excess capacity and stupid KO times it's little wonder fewer folk buy ST's

Personally I'd rather have nae TV and go back tae Saturday 3PM kick offs.

BEEJ

21-11-2011, 06:03 PM

Personally I'd rather have nae TV and go back tae Saturday 3PM kick offs.
:top marks Spot on.

Confine televised football to highlight packages, live coverage of special fixtures (that are likely to be sold out anyway) and internationals. That would get match attendances rising once again.

R'Albin

21-11-2011, 06:06 PM

No its not.. It is infact a good idea so we don't have a repeat performance of this............

http://youtu.be/Sorv6BOHf9c

Okay don't have the Old firm in these matches, nobody else seems to cause much bother(this won't happen; of course.)

Dashing Bob S

21-11-2011, 06:07 PM

They also agree tae nae OF hame games on TV (except v each other) so OF gates/ST holders aren't affected while agreeing tae their own hame gates being affected and their own ST holders tae be ****ed about left right and centre, with games moved tae stupid days and times that some folk who have paid cannae make. 1 game missed makes a ST almost pointless, with the excess capacity and stupid KO times it's little wonder fewer folk buy ST's

Personally I'd rather have nae TV and go back tae Saturday 3PM kick offs.

I'm with you, DD. Scottish football is such a poor product it can't be promoted by television, it just diminishes it. I'd rather see clubs going back to nurturing young talent for about five years, then, when we have a product worth getting excited about, go to TV companies and try and get a decent deal.

Zondervan

21-11-2011, 06:14 PM

Reading the Sky website, it looks like it is the same old deal albeit with extra money - 60 games a season, split 50/50 bewteen Sky & ESPN.

I would be very surprised if kick-off times will change from what they are now, as it would mean Sky/ESPN having to reschedule live EPL games.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11789/7324070/Sky-s-new-SPL-deal

And with attitudes like this from SPL chairmen, there is absolutely no hope of change:

Kick off times for live SPL matches have attracted criticism, particularly the noon or 1230 starts on Saturdays.

However, St Mirren chairman Stewart Gilmour believes it is a compromise worth making.

"We have to fit into the schedule," he told BBC Scotland. "There have been a lot of moans and groans but the players quickly get used to it.

"For a club like St Mirren, the TV deal is a huge part of our income and this five-year deal is fantastic news."

marinello59

21-11-2011, 06:22 PM

Personally I'd rather have nae TV and go back tae Saturday 3PM kick offs.

Agreed. I think that we should be taking a realistic look at where our place is in the game compared to other countries and rather than entering in to areas where we can't compete finding our own niche. If that means accepting lower standards due to the prevalence of lower paid young players looking to earn a move to the ''big'' leagues then so be it. We may find that the connection between those who play for our club and the fans is reborn. We need revolution, not tinkering at the edges.

down the slope

22-11-2011, 06:34 AM

It seems the new deal has wrecked any chance of a bigger league as the majority of the SPL teams agreed to sign up for it !, did no one think of asking the fans ?. No wonder the game is going down the tubes.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/3950642/TV-deal-kills-16-team-league.html

Tou can see why this grinning erse got the sack from Norwich.

bingo70

22-11-2011, 07:06 AM

Remember its not just the tv deal this effects, if we'd played hardball for more cash or if we held out for better kick off times and the deal fell through completely it'd have a major impact on sponsorship deals and I imagine that could leave a lot of teams unable to meet their commitments and would see teams going into administration.

Perhaps relying on youth and not TV deals is something to work towards over the next 5 years but as it stands now I'm not sure clubs are able to take the loss of income and remain full time

down the slope

22-11-2011, 07:16 AM

Any new league size is now dead in the water due to the teams signing up to the new deal, they have bypassed the fans by using backdoor tactics , So much for our "best ever chairman" consulting the people who matter, ie, us the fans. So thats it, we have surrendered to the OF once again without so much as a by your leave and all we have to do is roll up week after week, stand up and be counted , be part of the Hibernian family crap that they spout to us . Well maybe naw !.

killie-hibby

22-11-2011, 07:29 AM

down the slope

22-11-2011, 07:36 AM

This new TV deal provides more evidence that SPL club directors and Doncaster have a higher regard for those who sit at home or in the pub than for supporters who go to the games and hand over their hard earned cash directly to whatever club they support.
I would have preferred a total TV blackout, and every game in an 18 team premier league with a 3pm Saturday KO.

Never a truer word said, it seems we , the customers count for nothing as long as the directors/administrators keep their fiefdoms in the manner they are accustomed !.

StevieC

22-11-2011, 08:11 AM

Or you could be realistic and say that SKY and ESPN are prepared to pay what they have only due to the OF.

And Hibs and Hearts are a bigger pull than Motherwell and Inverness so should we automaticallyget more than them?
It shouldn't be about who pulls the deal in, it's about what is fair and beneficial for the game. Absolutely no need for the huge jump between 2nd and 3rd, especially given that the 3rd team will be looking to strengthen for a UEFA campaign.

It seems the new deal has wrecked any chance of a bigger league as the majority of the SPL teams agreed to sign up for it.

Has it though? We should still be able to change league structure outwith any deal.

If we estimate the deal to be worth £800,000 on average to each team per season then it would equate to a £200,000 loss each season. That's the equivalent of attracting 500 new/lapsed season ticket holders on the back of a fresh (and presumably more competitive) league.

Doncaster's sound bites are once again nothing more than pampering to the OF because it is them, due to the current unfair distribution, that will get hit the most.

Barney McGrew

22-11-2011, 08:29 AM

If we estimate the deal to be worth £800,000 on average to each team per season then it would equate to a £200,000 loss each season. That's the equivalent of attracting 500 new/lapsed season ticket holders on the back of a fresh (and presumably more competitive) league

Hibs could probably cover that, but the likes of St Mirren or Killie would be struggling to get another 500 season sales so would vote against it.

I'd much rather games were at 3pm on a Saturday every week, but the reality is that's never going to happen now. Even the OF's home attendances are down and they're always on at that time and are at the top of the league as usual.

bingo70

22-11-2011, 08:39 AM

If we estimate the deal to be worth £800,000 on average to each team per season then it would equate to a £200,000 loss each season. That's the equivalent of attracting 500 new/lapsed season ticket holders on the back of a fresh (and presumably more competitive) league.
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Does that figure take into account the hit clubs would take in sponsorship, both from their own sponsorship and also league sponsorship?

We'd also have less money to spend on players so we'd lose a lot of players to the english leagues so the standard would be reduced even more so to attract more fans with a poorer standard than we have already would be a big ask.

Gingertosser

22-11-2011, 10:30 AM

Apparently, we can't move to a league of 16 because the deal means the OF have to play each other 4 times a season.
Doncaster stated that withouth this, the deal would be £20m less.

I wonder how much more than £20m will be lost over the turnstiles in the next 5 years as more apathy sets in with supporters of all teams. :rolleyes:

Its starting to really grate with me how our own club, and others, pay us lip service but still expect us to cough up......it should be quite interesting when they come back in 4 years time telling us how we are needed, unfortunately for them the majority will have found other things to do with their time :bye:

StevieC

22-11-2011, 11:42 AM

I wonder how much more than £20m will be lost over the turnstiles in the next 5 years as more apathy sets in with supporters of all teams. :rolleyes:

Exactly.

I mentioned needing an additional 500 season tickets to cover a £200k shortfall to go to a larger league .. but how many season ticket holders have we lost over the last 3 years due to the apathy from the current league set-up?

People talk about "needing" the money and predict an implosion, and poorer standard without it, but I'm not convinced.

patlowe

22-11-2011, 11:54 AM

I can just about understand clubs voting for the stability that this deal offers but the prospect of the status quo for the next five years is hugely underwhelming. I agree with Steven Pressley on this, it's not healthy to be at the mercy of TV and once again the views of the fans have been ignored.

Dashing Bob S

22-11-2011, 02:52 PM

It's sad that Scottish football is driven by ******s in OF replica strips in one-horse towns who want to get liquored up before chibbing each other. The sooner the game becomes extinct in this country, and is replaced by curling or bowls as the national sport, the better.

Gingertosser

22-11-2011, 03:29 PM

I can just imagine the Weegie ****.......so whit ice rink did you go tae?

greenginger

22-11-2011, 04:30 PM

Eyrie

22-11-2011, 07:21 PM

What happens to the 4 Old Firm league games Sky are demanding if the Huns get relegated for their Tax Evasion or even just finish in the bottom 6.

Too Big to fail or even miss the top 6 it would seem !
Nobody can be too big to fail or miss the bottom six, so to keep within the terms of the TV deal Celtic would just have to join them in Division One or the bottom six.

ancient hibee

22-11-2011, 08:20 PM

And Hibs and Hearts are a bigger pull than Motherwell and Inverness so should we automaticallyget more than them?
It shouldn't be about who pulls the deal in, it's about what is fair and beneficial for the game. Absolutely no need for the huge jump between 2nd and 3rd, especially given that the 3rd team will be looking to strengthen for a UEFA campaign.

Has it though? We should still be able to change league structure outwith any deal.

If we estimate the deal to be worth £800,000 on average to each team per season then it would equate to a £200,000 loss each season. That's the equivalent of attracting 500 new/lapsed season ticket holders on the back of a fresh (and presumably more competitive) league.

Doncaster's sound bites are once again nothing more than pampering to the OF because it is them, due to the current unfair distribution, that will get hit the most.

Don't understand your figures -how does a deal worth £800K per season equate to a £200k loss per season?

Beefster

23-11-2011, 07:04 AM

iwasthere1972

24-11-2011, 10:55 PM

It's probably closer to 1200 new STs sold. The average price paid for an ST is way below £400.

I read on the Hibs official site that the average per match was about £12 so on that basis it would be £228.

StevieC

29-11-2011, 09:05 AM

Don't understand your figures -how does a deal worth £800K per season equate to a £200k loss per season?

The figures were based on expanding the size of the league and the £20m hit that Doncaster said we would take for just 2 OF games a season.

A bigger league would mean £600k TV money instead of £800k. Not an unsurmountable figure to give the fans what they actually want.