Pat Fenlon now favourite

[B'Briggs Hibee]

Just a few facts on this...

Bohs agreed the sale of their stadium for €60 million euro + a new stadium about four years ago, part of the deal included annual payments (deposits) of 2 million per year while all the legal stuff was sorted out, at that time everything seemed rosey in the garden and Pat was given a very healthy playing budget of €1.9 million, It is important to note that even though that was a very good budget by LOI standards it was still not the highest in the League at the time, it was actually 3rd highest, Cork City at the time were spending well over 2 million a year on wages (with famously one player Joe Gamble on 3k a week) and Drogheda United were spending big in a quest for European glory, both Cork and Drogheda went bust and both were relegated and reformed as new companies.

The Bohs deal to sell the ground collapsed as did pretty much every major property deal at the time in Ireland, this culminated in Bohs having to release all its highly paid players at the end of last season (anyone who wasnt released took substantial pay cuts) Bohs borrowed heavily based on the sale of the ground including a 4 million loan to Zurich bank which is the creditor most likely to close the club.

Despite this Fenlon stayed on to rebuild a team from scratch on a fraction of previous budgets with a mixture of the few experienced pro's who stayed and brought through a talented bunch of kids, the team ended up finishing 5th which was regarded a major achievement by Fenlon, considering he had no team at all and no pre-season games. Many Bohs fans regard what he achieved last season even higher than the Double winning seasons and League wins, because he had always been unfairly tagged as a "cheque book manager" his success last season with a bunch of unknown kids getting to a cup semi final and finishing 5th put that myth to bed.


What type of football could we expect if he is appointed mate ? A step aside from the eye gouging,shutting the curtains if they were in your back garden type stuff we have been witnessing would be most welcome .

[Andy74]

Yeah, he has to work within the budget, however if your budget is 3 times more than another club you are also expected to be above this team etc.

Which he seems to have done.

[Andy74]

I'm certainly warming to Fenlon the more I read and see of him. Some good interviews and things on YouTube.

No appointment can guarantee anything so hopefully people can look past the desire for some 'name'. People will return if the football and the wins return. Simple as that.

[smurf]

This hibsforchange mouthpiece (Keith Sands?) appeared on STV news saying Pat who? and reckons the board lack ambition. I want it made clear this trumpet does not speak for me.

He doesn't speak for me but most other Hibby's i know are asking "Pat who?". And i feel his point re it being like appointing a Scottish First Division Manager was pretty spot on.

Our club is at a crossroads. The thought of appointing this guy leaves me feeling as i did at the thought of us appointing CC. It's an appointment that will hardly captivate the support...

And i'm therefore refusing to believe he's going to be appointed.:wink:

[Kaiser1962]

He doesn't speak for me but most other Hibby's i know are asking "Pat who?". And i feel his point re it being like appointing a Scottish First Division Manager was pretty spot on



Dosent speak for me either Smurf.

And I find it strange that they issue a statement wanting Michael O'Neil on the strength of what he's done in the LOI but dosent want Pat Fenton who has, ahem, done even more in the LOI.


Thats why he's fronting the Petrie Peoples Front I suppose.

[Andy74]

He doesn't speak for me but most other Hibby's i know are asking "Pat who?". And i feel his point re it being like appointing a Scottish First Division Manager was pretty spot on.

Our club is at a crossroads. The thought of appointing this guy leaves me feeling as i did at the thought of us appointing CC. It's an appointment that will hardly captivate the support...

And i'm therefore refusing to believe he's going to be appointed.:wink:

If there was a first division manager who had won the trophies he had we would be all over him I'd imagine.

[yekimevol]

i dont see the sense in hiring a gaffer who has not managed in the spl, who has not had managerial nor playing experience outside of Ireland. fare enough he has had success at 2 out of his three.

i would rather see someone more sold in the role. if i was to get my first choice it would be billy davis. But were not getting him. I could understand given jimmy calderwood the job he has done his job at, dunfermline, aberdeen, killie and ross county. Infact i kind of like the man. I could even stomach fat jim but not sure that many others could.

[Dashing Bob S]

No.

The Yams thread on the other hand...

[Hamish]

STV reporting a decision will be announced on Friday whilst BBC Scotland online reports no decision this week. Very surprising that the journalists don't know what's going on.:coffee:

[Franck Stanton]

To be honest have never heard of Pat Fenlon prior to reading on these Forums he was now quoted for the job.

Inspiring choice ? Nope.

Could/would he do a job for us ? Only time will tell I suppose. When the Club appointed Mowbray, I said / thought the same as I do now about Fenlon and he certainly did us a turn whilst here.

Who would I have ? Michael O'Neil ticks all the boxes for me, [and quite a few other hibbys it would appear], but the one thing I am certain about is, Hibs have to get it right this time, get someone who will show quickly an improvement in playing style, team formation, players attitudes and points gained. If the new guy , whoever he is, can show this, we as supporters have to be patient with him, support the team and the Board have to give him a decent level of backing and time to develope the team/Club.

[Twa Cairpets]

i dont see the sense in hiring a gaffer who has not managed in the spl, who has not had managerial nor playing experience outside of Ireland. fare enough he has had success at 2 out of his three.

i would rather see someone more sold in the role. if i was to get my first choice it would be billy davis. But were not getting him. I could understand given jimmy calderwood the job he has done his job at, dunfermline, aberdeen, killie and ross county. Infact i kind of like the man. I could even stomach fat jim but not sure that many others could.

Wjy this obsession with having experience in the SPL? I dont care where he comes from as long as he is a good football manager. If experience in Scotland is a pre-requisite it kind of massively limits the potential pool does it not? Nowt against Tango, but that would just be the dullest appointment.

[marinello59]

He will be a disaster. :grr:
(Actually unlike many on here I don't know enough about him to form any sort of judgment but just in case I want to be able to say I told you so.:greengrin)

[Greenheart]

The bookies & the sun newspaper seem to have pat fenlon as odds on favourite
To land the top job at hibs . Is this really the man to take us forward and develop
The new crop of youth players coming through the ranks ???? .mr Petrie said he would deliver
A manager that would put bums on seats and unite the fans ??? Could this be him ??????????

As excited as I was when Caldwell was appointed

[Bohstron]

What type of football could we expect is he is appointed mate ? A step aside form eye gouging,shutting the curtains if they were in your back garden would be most welcome .

One thing is for sure his team's dont concede many goals he is meticulous in his organisation, as a creative midfielder in his day himself he likes players with a bit of flair, and he doesnt stray from 4 4 2 too often, except when we played in Europe he was accused of being too cautious at times but against a higher standard of player it's difficult to make a call wether he was right or wrong on that one.

if he gets the job he'll most likely bring Liam O'Brien (ex Man U and Newcastle) with him, he has been his assistant for years and is highly regarded as a coach.

Fenlon as a person is not known as a particularly "nice bloke" he is very moody and can be stropy with the media especially, but puts 100% of himself into the job, anyone who has ever played under him stays loyal to him and his contacts in Irish football are second to none, so expect to enjoy the benefits of that. I dont think he would be the type to make sweeping changes at Hibs but he would certainly stamp his authority in the dressing room from early on.

Scottish Football is a natural progression for him after doing everything he can in Irish Football, no suprise to many this side of the Irish Sea another Scottish Club has come in for him, he's been punching below his weight here for a while now and really should have been allowed go to Dundee United but there loss will be Hibs gain if he gets the gig.

[greenlex]

I hope I am wrong but I am getting a Stephen Kenny vibe about This guy.

[Hamish]

As excited as I was when Caldwell was appointed

We'd all be excited if Gary Caldwell got the job - sorry meant to type we'd all have exited.

[yekimevol]

Wjy this obsession with having experience in the SPL? I dont care where he comes from as long as he is a good football manager. If experience in Scotland is a pre-requisite it kind of massively limits the potential pool does it not? Nowt against Tango, but that would just be the dullest appointment.

i just want someone who understands the scottish game and how to succeed in it. jimmy has at everyone of the scottish clubs he was at, look at cc ok record but failed. I dont know how yogi got the jobs in hindsight look at falkirk.

[BEEJ]

hibsforchange (whoever they are?) issued a statement asking RP and the board to appoint Michael O'Neil. Bizarre.
And just what qualifies Keith Sands as a so-called supporter-representative, to call for particular managerial candidates to get the post? :bitchy: Stepping way beyond the original remit of that group (as I understood it, anyway).


One thing is for sure his team's dont concede many goals he is meticulous in his organisation, as a creative midfielder in his day himself he likes players with a bit of flair, and he doesnt stray from 4 4 2 too often, except when we played in Europe he was accused of being too cautious at times but against a higher standard of player it's difficult to make a call wether he was right or wrong on that one.

if he gets the job he'll most likely bring Liam O'Brien (ex Man U and Newcastle) with him, he has been his assistant for years and is highly regarded as a coach.

Fenlon as a person is not known as a particularly "nice bloke" he is very moody and can be stropy with the media especially, but puts 100% of himself into the job, anyone who has ever played under him stays loyal to him and his contacts in Irish football are second to none, so expect to enjoy the benefits of that. I dont think he would be the type to make sweeping changes at Hibs but he would certainly stamp his authority in the dressing room from early on.

Scottish Football is a natural progression for him after doing everything he can in Irish Football, no suprise to many this side of the Irish Sea another Scottish Club has come in for him, he's been punching below his weight here for a while now and really should have been allowed go to Dundee United but there loss will be Hibs gain if he gets the gig.
That's some very helpful background on Fenlon.

Thanks! :aok:

[eastmainsmsh]

No Ambition from the board If Pat Fenlon is their choice ....No disrespect there but its hardly what the majority of the fans want

[Holmesdale Hibs]

I've never heard of him so I can't say he inspires me. Doesn't mean he's a bad choice though, had anyone heard of Arsene Wenger. Given some of the other names that I have heard of, I'm not that bothered about an unknown. I don't think SPL experience is a prerequisite.

[Eyrie]

Bohstron - thanks for the info. I'm honest enough to admit I'd never even heard of Fenlon until he was touted for the Hibs job so some background is very helpful.

[tamig]

Just a few facts on this...

Bohs agreed the sale of their stadium for €60 million euro + a new stadium about four years ago, part of the deal included annual payments (deposits) of 2 million per year while all the legal stuff was sorted out, at that time everything seemed rosey in the garden and Pat was given a very healthy playing budget of €1.9 million, It is important to note that even though that was a very good budget by LOI standards it was still not the highest in the League at the time, it was actually 3rd highest, Cork City at the time were spending well over 2 million a year on wages (with famously one player Joe Gamble on 3k a week) and Drogheda United were spending big in a quest for European glory, both Cork and Drogheda went bust and both were relegated and reformed as new companies.

The Bohs deal to sell the ground collapsed as did pretty much every major property deal at the time in Ireland, this culminated in Bohs having to release all its highly paid players at the end of last season (anyone who wasnt released took substantial pay cuts) Bohs borrowed heavily based on the sale of the ground including a 4 million loan to Zurich bank which is the creditor most likely to close the club.

Despite this Fenlon stayed on to rebuild a team from scratch on a fraction of previous budgets with a mixture of the few experienced pro's who stayed and brought through a talented bunch of kids, the team ended up finishing 5th which was regarded a major achievement by Fenlon, considering he had no team at all and no pre-season games. Many Bohs fans regard what he achieved last season even higher than the Double winning seasons and League wins, because he had always been unfairly tagged as a "cheque book manager" his success last season with a bunch of unknown kids getting to a cup semi final and finishing 5th put that myth to bed.

Thanks for all the info bud. Certainly sounds like a talented guy and one I'd hope would be able to turn things round pretty quickly with us. I'm liking the sound of this guy.

[heretoday]

Who can say? It's in the lap of the gods. We could be back here this time next year.

Or we could be flying high.

[Eyrie]

The only advantage of SPL experience is having an idea about the players available in Scotland. Both O'Neill and Fenlon would lack that, but much would depend on their choice of assistant. On the other hand, either would be well placed to pick up two or three good players from Ireland.

[Bohstron]

I seen on another thread somebody said they wanted someone with a knowledge of "Scottish Football" to get the Job they must have been assuming Fenlon was ignorant of the Scottish game, well I can assure you his knowledge of the Scottish game is undoubted, he is a well known as a Celtic supporter and season ticket holder and travels to watche games on a regular basis....If you think having a Celtic supporter as a Manager is going to be a problem...he is also known famously as a Shamrock Rovers supporter but nobody enjoyed beating Rovers more than Fenlon and we did on most ocassions under him!

[tamig]

Based on everything bohstron has said on the other Fenlon thread I'd actually say I would be inspired by this appointment - if he gets the job. I really hope he does get it.

Can't believe some of the dismissive comments across the two threads by people who know absolutey f all about the guy. Still, that's the wonder of hibs.net.

[IWasThere2016]

Shamrock Rovers beat Copenhagen and Hadjuk Split as well as the Estonian team to qualify for the Europa group stage, notable scalps for a tea Shamrocks size

Yup. Bohs doing MON/Shamrock a dis-service


Michael for me, from what i have heard BOH's are in real trouble of going into admn and this is partly due to the fact that Fenlon has some players on 3 times the salary of most players at Shamrock.


You better watch stokesmessiah will be efter you! :greengrin

[Kaiser1962]

Thanks for all the info bud. Certainly sounds like a talented guy and one I'd hope would be able to turn things round pretty quickly with us. I'm liking the sound of this guy.


Seconded :agree:

[IWasThere2016]

I think either Fenlon or MON will do a job. It is a step up for them, and I'm sure they can bring young/hungry players here with the same attitude and ambition.

[Bohstron]

Yup. Bohs doing MON/Shamrock a dis-service



You better watch stokesmessiah will be efter you! :greengrin

I stand corrected Quiet Man they did beat Partizan Belgrade alright, but lost 3-0 to Copenhangan in the Champions League before they went into the Europa League.

[degenerated]

And just what qualifies Keith Sands as a so-called supporter-representative, to call for particular managerial candidates to get the post? :bitchy: Stepping way beyond the original remit of that group (as I understood it, anyway).


That's some very helpful background on Fenlon.

Thanks! :aok:

if that picture of them at the agm is anything to go by then flange is probably a better collective noun than group.

[MrRobot]

Somebody stole my name.

[Andy74]

Based on everything bohstron has said on the other Fenlon thread I'd actually say I would be inspired by this appointment - if he gets the job. I really hope he does get it.

Can't believe some of the dismissive comments across the two threads by people who know absolutey f all about the guy. Still, that's the wonder of hibs.net.

Yep. You'd think we'd have learned from the Mowbray thing! Most of thes comments would mean he'd never have been appointed whereas Bobby W would be top of the list.

I'm more confused by those that would dismiss Fenlon but think O'Neill would be good.

[Aubenas]

Good to see a thread containing information rather than 'gut feelings' and igmorance. FWIW I would imagine SL/RP may well have a had a wee chat and look at Fenlon when he brought Bohs over last March - so he won't be an unknown quantity to them, even if he is to the support

[tamig]

Yep. You'd think we'd have learned from the Mowbray thing! Most of thes comments would mean he'd never have been appointed whereas Bobby W would be top of the list.

I'm more confused by those that would dismiss Fenlon but think O'Neill would be good.

Indeed. And especially with the excellent background info bohstron has taken the time to give us. It wouldn't be the same though if folk here didn't have something to moan about.

[SteveHFC]

Another Cheap Option by the Board. But willing to back him :aok:

[tamig]

Another Cheap Option by the Board. But willing to back him :aok:

Sorry. How do you mean - another cheap option? :confused:

[woodythehibee]

Another Cheap Option by the Board. But willing to back him :aok:

We paid over 400k for CC which is hardly a "cheap option"

[Speedway]

And just what qualifies Keith Sands as a so-called supporter-representative, to call for particular managerial candidates to get the post? :bitchy: Stepping way beyond the original remit of that group (as I understood it, anyway).


That's some very helpful background on Fenlon.

Thanks! :aok:

Where is Keith Sands? Is it nice there?

[nortonhibby]

Yep. You'd think we'd have learned from the Mowbray thing! Most of thes comments would mean he'd never have been appointed whereas Bobby W would be top of the list.

I'm more confused by those that would dismiss Fenlon but think O'Neill would be good.

Blobby W a name from the past lol i forgot all about him till now.:taxi

[nortonhibby]

We paid over 400k for CC which is hardly a "cheap option"

We refused 400k for him ?

[Kato]

I'll wait and see what the product on the pitch is like before I start feeling inspired or anything else.

Hands up who was inspired on the days our last three managers were appointed?

[handsdownsmiley]

[woodythehibee]

We refused 400k for him ?

only because it was less than what we paid for him...

[Kato]

No Ambition from the board If Pat Fenlon is their choice ....No disrespect there but its hardly what the majority of the fans want

Who do the majority of fans want and what does matter who we want?

[Persevere80]

Yep. You'd think we'd have learned from the Mowbray thing! Most of thes comments would mean he'd never have been appointed whereas Bobby W would be top of the list. I'm more confused by those that would dismiss Fenlon but think O'Neill would be good. I agree, i have kept quiet on my opinion between the two of them but one poster on another thread made a good point that Fenlon has had more experince over a longer period of time than mon. They are maybe not the big names some people are looking for, but they are realistic.

[Sas_The_Hibby]

I agree, i have kept quiet on my opinion between the two of them but one poster on another thread made a good point that Fenlon has had more experince over a longer period of time than mon. They are maybe not the big names some people are looking for, but they are realistic.

:agree: Exactly. There's no way an 'inspiring' manager, i.e. someone famous who's achieved major success elsewhere, is coming to Easter Road so what are some fans expecting?

I've no idea whether MON or Fenlon would be any good but we have to face the fact that on our budget whoever we appoint will be a gamble to a certain extent.

I'd suggest, too, that finishing top of the non OF teams in the SPL is not too dissimilar to winning the League of Ireland and that MON and Fenlon's success in Ireland might be a positive indicator.

[jdships]

Where is Keith Sands? Is it nice there?

Is he related to Fife Sands :greengrin:wink:

[ScottB]

He doesn't speak for me but most other Hibby's i know are asking "Pat who?". And i feel his point re it being like appointing a Scottish First Division Manager was pretty spot on.

Our club is at a crossroads. The thought of appointing this guy leaves me feeling as i did at the thought of us appointing CC. It's an appointment that will hardly captivate the support...

And i'm therefore refusing to believe he's going to be appointed.:wink:

So?

Did any of us know who Tony Mowbray was? What history did the likes of Owen Coyle or Derek McInness have as managers before their first gigs in Scottish football? If Premiership clubs can appoint SPL managers, are we so high and mighty that we can't take 'First Division' level managers?

I couldn't care less if we appoint some total unknown or a fancy 'big' name that meets whatever requirements for that folk have on here, all that matters is that we get someone in that does the job. On paper Fenlon sounds a better bet than the likes of Strachan, who people seem to want purely because they know who he is.

[God Petrie]

[QUOTE=dryan;2990478]Where is this guff coming from that Hibs pick the "cheap option" when it comes to managers?

CC was on £285k a year and at the AGM the board said in a league table of manager's wages, Hibs were "nowhere near" the bottom 6 so presumably 4th after Hertz and the Old Firm.

Our appointments have been poor recently but they certainly haven't been cheap or underpaid.

Im sorry if you didnt understand what Im on about, its not Monitary value im on about its the standard of manager Im on about the Cheap Option regards they wont appoint the Big Names required to give us all a boost. FOR EXAMPLE, STRACHAN,Stark, Davis. When JC was the manager he had a few players lined up and the tash would not give him the money. Hope I have explained my Point.

Ah that list of players JC had was funny. Who was it again? Naismith was definitely mentioned and he only cost Rangers £1.9m.

If you are incapable of comprehending Hibs financial means, don't comment on their ability to sign players or managers.

[smurf]

So?

Did any of us know who Tony Mowbray was? What history did the likes of Owen Coyle or Derek McInness have as managers before their first gigs in Scottish football? If Premiership clubs can appoint SPL managers, are we so high and mighty that we can't take 'First Division' level managers?

I couldn't care less if we appoint some total unknown or a fancy 'big' name that meets whatever requirements for that folk have on here, all that matters is that we get someone in that does the job. On paper Fenlon sounds a better bet than the likes of Strachan, who people seem to want purely because they know who he is.

Speak to the THOUSANDS of stay away 'supporters'. Not me...

[ScottB]

Speak to the THOUSANDS of stay away 'supporters'. Not me...

I would imagine the way to get them back is to win. Wheeling out a 'name' would be a temporary blip if the same eye bleeding crap remained on offer...

[NAE NOOKIE]

Lets face it. Nobody has any idea what a manager will do until he has had a chance to do the job.

Mowbray was lucky in that he had as talented a group of players than any Hibs manager since the 70s. He did know how to get them playing great football at times though.

Collins was a rubbish man manager and quit when the going got tough. No surprise he aint in management any more.

I watched Falkirk under Yogi play the Huns off the park in the Scottish cup final without the ball ever leaving the deck and yet he couldn't get the Hibs to do anything like that.

Mixu couldn't get them to play either and yet got tons of praise for the way Killie played in the short time he was there.

Perhaps appointing the right manager is 30% going on what you know about the guy beforehand and 70% pure luck. Sure seems that way to me. We could appoint Alex Ferguson and he would be a total dud. Or appoint Danny Lennon who would be head hunted by Man Utd 3 years later.


Who knows ?

[stokesmessiah]

Yup. Bohs doing MON/Shamrock a dis-service



You better watch stokesmessiah will be efter you! :greengrin

Toys still out your pram? :aok:

[SteveHFC]

Roberts warned the Hibs players their potential new manager can go from training-ground pal to dressing room enemy if things aren't done the way he wants them.
He said: "He's got a hot temper. I saw it a few times and you don't want to be on the receiving end.
"He has high standards and is quick to praise players if things are going well. But if things aren't being done to the standards he wants, he's first to give people a kick up the a**e.
"The Hibs players will know exactly where they stand with him — he tells it to you straight and moves on."


Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/3940416/Caldo-was-too-laidback-for-Hibs-fans-but-they-will-NEVER-accuse-Nutsy-of-that.html#ixzz1duydpDxR

[Sir David Gray]

Is he related to Fife Sands :greengrin:wink:

Not sure but I've definitely heard that Seton's his sister. :agree:

[Sean1875]

I would imagine the way to get them back is to win. Wheeling out a 'name' would be a temporary blip if the same eye bleeding crap remained on offer...
Spot on. Hibs could appoint my dad as manager but if he went on to win 10 games in a row no doubt in my mind crowds would come flooding back in their droves. Not gonna judge a manager purely because i might not have heard of them. For the record I would be happy with either MO'N or Fenlon :agree:

[Sean1875]

Roberts warned the Hibs players their potential new manager can go from training-ground pal to dressing room enemy if things aren't done the way he wants them.
He said: "He's got a hot temper. I saw it a few times and you don't want to be on the receiving end.
"He has high standards and is quick to praise players if things are going well. But if things aren't being done to the standards he wants, he's first to give people a kick up the a**e.
"The Hibs players will know exactly where they stand with him — he tells it to you straight and moves on."


Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/3940416/Caldo-was-too-laidback-for-Hibs-fans-but-they-will-NEVER-accuse-Nutsy-of-that.html#ixzz1duydpDxR

Sounds exactly what the current team need just now really, for too long our players have just taken a wage and done complete jack!

[Lucius Apuleius]

[QUOTE=Lucius Apuleius;2990629]

i would define you as all talk and no action, someone who is happy to settle for second, third or fourth best in life. as for Hibs i want the best for Hibs and i will always state my case whether anyone, especially you is happy or unhappy about it. I'm afraid you are one of the people on this site who when he knows he has lost the argument you go in a huff and make silly comments like "if you don't like a difference of opinion dont post messages" My goodness my daughter used to carry on like that when she was young, mind you she was only 5 years old. I have stated my case clearly and my opinion that Strachan would be my choice, the vast majority of hibs fans would support him and the crowds would return to ER in numbers. i think i will close now as you don't even want to share your opinion who you would want at ER could this be that you dont want anyone else to give their opinion regards your choice. :thumbsup:

You just have no idea do you? You don't know me or what I do. Your first sentence is so stupid that ridicule would not do justice to it. I have stated quite clearly who I do not want. I am not that familiar with English, Irish or any other football to feel qualified to make comments on how good their leagues, ergo their managers actually are. You obviously seem to have all that knowledge, good on you. I really do not see what argument I have lost to be honest. I have a difference of opinion with you and that is it. I am afraid you are giving yourself delusions of grandeur if you think I would even bother arguing with you. Your opinion is that anyone else is a cheap option, I disagree. Obviously, being out of the country, I am not in touch with the "vast majority" of Hibs fans that you obviously are. Again, well done you, please enlighten us as to how you have come to this conclusion as there is certainly not a vast majority on hibs.net who are shouting for Strapon, but as I said, that and my family are the only eans at my disposal to judge. To be honest my younger son would like Strachan, my elder son O'Neill. See, no arguments with them either. Reasoned debate. Define the cheap option instead of going off on childish rants. Anyway, must be off, sitting in my office settling for 2nd 3rd or 4th best whilst trying to juggle my in excess of 1,000 staff. :wink:

[Lucius Apuleius]

Sorry. How do you mean - another cheap option? :confused:


We paid over 400k for CC which is hardly a "cheap option"

Now now, you will have someone else telling you that you are a loser and happy to accept 2nd 3rd or 4th best as the vast majotity of us want Strapon. Anyone else is the cheap option, again!:wink:

[bingo70]

I'm a million times happier after reading that story about him in the sun this morning, sounds exactly the type of guy we need to put a rocket up the players *****.

[IWasThere2016]

Toys still out your pram? :aok:

Don't do that - you'll need them :wink:

Read your link and only saw one post backing up your statement (would insert confused smiley if cba)

Did you see UltraHibee's posts? Watch the blood pressure!

[California-Hibs]

I have to admit, i'm liking the sound of this Pat Fenlon more and more. After the information that our Boh's friend on here has provided and after reading a few articles about him in the Sun he sounds ideal. I never realized he has won so maybe league Titles before, or that he had led Shelbourne into a Champions League Qualifying game!

Definatly wouldn't be as underwhelmed with this appointment as i first thought i'd be! :agree:

[Spike Mandela]

Spot on. Hibs could appoint my dad as manager but if he went on to win 10 games in a row no doubt in my mind crowds would come flooding back in their droves. Not gonna judge a manager purely because i might not have heard of them. For the record I would be happy with either MO'N or Fenlon :agree:

I want your dad as manager, he sounds the business!!

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InnerCityBohs wrote:
How much compensation would we be due if Fenlon went to Hibs




None. Fenlon is the favourite according to BBC.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15744981.stm


Even if he doesn't get this one it puts his name out there as available.

If he does get this job, go to the bookies and back him to be Celtic Manager within 2 years http://www.hibs.net/images/smilies/001.gif


This was taken from The Bohs Forum. Seems thet rate him very highly

[Stevie Reid]

This hibsforchange mouthpiece (Keith Sands?) appeared on STV news saying Pat who? and reckons the board lack ambition. I want it made clear this trumpet does not speak for me.


Dosent speak for me either Smurf.

And I find it strange that they issue a statement wanting Michael O'Neil on the strength of what he's done in the LOI but dosent want Pat Fenton who has, ahem, done even more in the LOI.


Thats why he's fronting the Petrie Peoples Front I suppose.


And just what qualifies Keith Sands as a so-called supporter-representative, to call for particular managerial candidates to get the post? :bitchy: Stepping way beyond the original remit of that group (as I understood it, anyway).


:agree:

If I had had time to come on here last night I would have made exactly the same points - was raging that someone so ignorant was seemingly used as a spokesperson for the Hibs support.

Incidentally, the more I hear about Fenlon the more I like about him.

[Beefster]

If anyone from the club is looking in, can I just make it clear that this Keith Sands (whoever he is) and his three pals (and the dog) don't speak for me?

If Sands had the balls to identify himself on here, I'd make it clear to him too.

[Stevie Reid]

One thing is for sure his team's dont concede many goals he is meticulous in his organisation, as a creative midfielder in his day himself he likes players with a bit of flair, and he doesnt stray from 4 4 2 too often, except when we played in Europe he was accused of being too cautious at times but against a higher standard of player it's difficult to make a call wether he was right or wrong on that one.

if he gets the job he'll most likely bring Liam O'Brien (ex Man U and Newcastle) with him, he has been his assistant for years and is highly regarded as a coach.

Fenlon as a person is not known as a particularly "nice bloke" he is very moody and can be stropy with the media especially, but puts 100% of himself into the job, anyone who has ever played under him stays loyal to him and his contacts in Irish football are second to none, so expect to enjoy the benefits of that. I dont think he would be the type to make sweeping changes at Hibs but he would certainly stamp his authority in the dressing room from early on.

Scottish Football is a natural progression for him after doing everything he can in Irish Football, no suprise to many this side of the Irish Sea another Scottish Club has come in for him, he's been punching below his weight here for a while now and really should have been allowed go to Dundee United but there loss will be Hibs gain if he gets the gig.

Thanks for the info :aok:

I remember O'Brien as a player, always looked shear class whenever I saw him - I remember him playing for Tranmere Rovers in the league cup semi final against Aston Villa in the 1990s, he was superb.

[HibeeMG]

:agree:

If I had had time to come on here last night I would have made exactly the same points - was raging that someone so ignorant was seemingly used as a spokesperson for the Hibs support.

Incidentally, the more I hear about Fenlon the more I like about him.

I see they have their website just about up and running now. Feel free to go on there and leave a message (http://www.hibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk. I just did.

They've also got an e-mail address - [email protected]

[SteveHFC]

One thing is for sure his team's dont concede many goals he is meticulous in his organisation, as a creative midfielder in his day himself he likes players with a bit of flair, and he doesnt stray from 4 4 2 too often, except when we played in Europe he was accused of being too cautious at times but against a higher standard of player it's difficult to make a call wether he was right or wrong on that one.

if he gets the job he'll most likely bring Liam O'Brien (ex Man U and Newcastle) with him, he has been his assistant for years and is highly regarded as a coach.

Fenlon as a person is not known as a particularly "nice bloke" he is very moody and can be stropy with the media especially, but puts 100% of himself into the job, anyone who has ever played under him stays loyal to him and his contacts in Irish football are second to none, so expect to enjoy the benefits of that. I dont think he would be the type to make sweeping changes at Hibs but he would certainly stamp his authority in the dressing room from early on.

Scottish Football is a natural progression for him after doing everything he can in Irish Football, no suprise to many this side of the Irish Sea another Scottish Club has come in for him, he's been punching below his weight here for a while now and really should have been allowed go to Dundee United but there loss will be Hibs gain if he gets the gig.

Cheers for the info :aok:

[Darth Hibbie]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371

L (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371)ooks like the decision is far from being made. Over 90 applicants!!!!!!

[jdships]

I'll wait and see what the product on the pitch is like before I start feeling inspired or anything else.

Hands up who was inspired on the days our last three managers were appointed?

[handsdownsmiley]

My feelings exactly
Let's judge the new man , whoever he is, on what happens on the park not on what we are being fed by the media
:flag:

[Stevie Reid]

I see they have their website just about up and running now. Feel free to go on there and leave a message (http://www.hibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk. I just did.

They've also got an e-mail address - [email protected]

Cheers mate, I will do.

EDIT: Just have

[HibeeMG]

Cheers mate, I will do.

EDIT: Just have

I'm thinking we should have a protest against their protest! :greengrin

I'll away and set up the website. www.hibsfansagainsthibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk. Rolls off the tongue!

[offshorehibby]

MON is my first choice but the bits and pieces i'm reading on other threads are starting to interest me as an option. I think some Hibs fans are expecting a Trapatoni type character to ride in and take us to the champions league.
Who's to say this big name manager that some crave is capable of working wonders at ER

[Dibben]

I'm thinking we should have a protest against their protest! :greengrin

I'll away and set up the website. www.hibsfansagainsthibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk. Rolls off the tongue!

:thumbsup:

[Golden Bear]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371

L (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371)ooks like the decision is far from being made. Over 90 applicants!!!!!!

:agree:

They can take as long as they need as far as I'm concerned. It seems as though the Board are enlisting the help and advice from real fitba' folk cos' they know you know.

[Andy74]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371

L (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371)ooks like the decision is far from being made. Over 90 applicants!!!!!!

I'd say the not only have the shortlist (the board first met about 10 days ago) but now have the permissions for from the clubs required and probably have held initial discussions with those on the list.

I'd expect an announcement on Monday or Tuesday. It's right to get the game out the way and then finalise it.

[Stevie Reid]

I'm thinking we should have a protest against their protest! :greengrin

I'll away and set up the website. www.hibsfansagainsthibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk (http://www.hibsfansagainsthibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk). Rolls off the tongue!

:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm thinking we should have a protest against their protest! :greengrin

I'll away and set up the website. www.hibsfansagainsthibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk (http://www.hibsfansagainsthibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk). Rolls off the tongue!

Rubbish, the link doesn't work :wink:, your just as bad as www.Keithsandsisaloner.co.uk (http://www.Keithsandsisaloner.co.uk) when it comes to web publishing :greengrin

[RedandBlack]

Yeah, he has to work within the budget, however if your budget is 3 times more than another club you are also expected to be above this team etc.

No we didn't. Rovers had the biggest budget in the league, not Bohs, we have slashed our budget over the last couple of years.

Also your comment about Bohs players being on 3 times that of Rovers players is false.

Fenlon would be an excellent appointment for you, he seems to have a lot of connections in the game and I think he would love the challenge.

[erin go bragh]

I'd say the not only have the shortlist (the board first met about 10 days ago) but now have the permissions for from the clubs required and probably have held initial discussions with those on the list.

I'd expect an announcement on Monday or Tuesday. It's right to get the game out the way and then finalise it.

What would happen if with bb in charge , we play a slick ,crisp passing game and totally destroy killie say 5 , 1 [ would that put bb in with a shout of getting the job full time ]



ggtth

[HibeeMG]

Rubbish, the link doesn't work :wink:, your just as bad as www.Keithsandsisaloner.co.uk (http://www.Keithsandsisaloner.co.uk) when it comes to web publishing :greengrin

Don't you know that setting up a website takes two weeks?

Protesting-type folk ken whit's going on! :wink:

[stokesmessiah]

Don't do that - you'll need them :wink:

Read your link and only saw one post backing up your statement (would insert confused smiley if cba)

Did you see UltraHibee's posts? Watch the blood pressure!

I am confused because you backed your side up with nothing at all!?

Apart from the link i sent there was also substantial posts from a Bohs fan backing it up.

Anyway, i am bored of this trivial argument and have better things to fill my day up with. Take care, god bless :aok:

[offshorehibby]

Another snipet over on ReakHibs from PC Stamp


Spoke with my mate Les over by, who writes for the Shamrock Rovers prog. He reckons Fenlon would be a much better appointment for us than O'Neill. Fenlon has won something like 5 titles with 3 different clubs as well as cups and league cups. Reckons he'd play more of a style of football that Hibs fans associate with whilst tightening us up defensively as his teams don;t lose goals easily. Michael he likened more to Alex Miller, safety first ... effective but not always pretty. Also reckons Fenlon is a guy who throws himself into a job 110% and doesn't suffer fools gladly. Anyone taking the pish would do it once and never again. They had hoped he'd get the Rovers job before O'Neill got it but again Bohs were playing funny buggers over letting him go. Reckons that won't be the case now and that Dundee Utd's and Motherwell's loss could be Hibs gain.

Bear in mind this is all from a die hard Rovers fan ... and Rovers/Bohs is like Hibs/Hearts!

http://www.realhibs.net/forum/showthread.php/544-Pat-Fenlon

[blackpoolhibs]

I knew nothing about the man, and still know little about him, so no he does not inspire me . It does not mean he's not a good manager, if he wins games he will bring fans back, its as simple as that.

[IWasThere2016]

Yep. You'd think we'd have learned from the Mowbray thing! Most of thes comments would mean he'd never have been appointed whereas Bobby W would be top of the list.

I'm more confused by those that would dismiss Fenlon but think O'Neill would be good.

:agree: Surely both merit consideration - and both are capable of doing a job if supported.

[Bohstron]

Guys, seriously who are these "hibsforchange" idiots? the press over here are having a good laugh at them making a statement demanding Michael O'Neill getting the job ahead of "2nd best manager in Ireland" Fenlon!!


2nd Best Manager?? Fenlon 8 major trophies as a manager 10 as a player.......medals on the table Michael?

O'Neill - 3 as a manager (including one league title won on goal difference over Fenlon) 4 as a player (most won in Northern Ireland which is much lower standard then even the LOI)

FACT - Fenlon is the most succesful and consistant manager of his generation in League of Ireland Football, Michael O'Neill has done well with Shamrock Rovers but hasnt had any real competition for the title as many of the previously succesful clubs are licking their wounds and rebuilding after financial turmoil of the past 5 years. and if "Hibsforchange" had bothered to do any research they would find that not all Shamrock supporters want O'Neill in charge due to his style of play and there have been many times they called for his head over the past 2 seasons, even they know they have had it easy over the last 2 seasons with no threat from the previous big guns (bohs, derry, cork, shelbourne, st pats etc)

[Dan Sarf]

From the Scotsman:

THE managerial vacancy at Hibernian could hardly have come at a more opportune time for Pat Fenlon. The Easter Road club have given no sign yet that they favour the Bohemians boss over any other candidate, but there is every sign that the 42-year-old would welcome a move to Edinburgh – and an escape from the financial crisis that has engulfed his present employers.

Good. That's what we need - a LUCKY Manager! (Who was the last Hibs gaffer who you could describe as lucky?)

[FranckSuzy]

This thread reminds me of Ryehill Avenue and his Jim Gannon posts :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

This thread reminds me of Ryehill Avenue and his Jim Gannon posts :greengrin

There's an appointment that would be so leftfield it would be far right

[NeilOrrSquareBa]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371

L (http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20111117/manager-update_2262950_2518371) Over 90 applicants!!!!!!

Pah! That's nuthin'. Primark got over 2000 applications when they advertised for staff for the Edinburgh store!!
:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin :greengrin:greengrin

[scuttle]

From the statement on the official website I think we can rule out Strachan, Billy Davies etc as they would just have been appointed.If we are seeking advice from experts in the game its safe to say its going to be someone we dont know ,so that rules out somebody Scottish. IMO its now a straight fight between the two Irish candidates.May the best man win

[Andy74]

From the statement on the official website I think we can rule out Strachan, Billy Davies etc as they would just have been appointed.If we are seeking advice from experts in the game its safe to say its going to be someone we dont know ,so that rules out somebody Scottish. IMO its now a straight fight between the two Irish candidates.May the best man win

You may be right about the outcome but even out of work managers would have been shortlisted and interviewed and other interviews would still have taken place to asess the potential candidates.

They wouldn't just have decided on a target and appointed him without going through the process.

[Melvin Hibs]

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http://www.hibs.net/styles/acidtechred/imageset/icon_topic_latest.gif (http://www.hibs.net/viewtopic.php?p=373078#p373078) Re: Pat Fenlon
Well if he does go, the league has lost a class manager. It takes someone with a lot of talent to do what he has done this season. 2 weeks before the setanta cup we had 3 players training and yet we finish with a solid 5th!


The more I read about Fenlon the more I think this may be the right candidate for us. When I originally heard his name being touted over MON my reaction was similar to most on here, but I am most definately warming to him!

:thumbsup:

[scuttle]

You may be right about the outcome but even out of work managers would have been shortlisted and interviewed and other interviews would still have taken place to asess the potential candidates.

They wouldn't just have decided on a target and appointed him without going through the process.
If there was an outstanding candidate that they wanted why go through the process of interview surely you just go and get him

[Andy74]

If there was an outstanding candidate that they wanted why go through the process of interview surely you just go and get him

You don't know if they are the outstanding candidate until you go through the process though.

Strachan and Davies ain't going anywhere in the next few days (even if they are on the list).

[judas]

Thanks for the info :aok:

I remember O'Brien as a player, always looked shear class whenever I saw him - I remember him playing for Tranmere Rovers in the league cup semi final against Aston Villa in the 1990s, he was superb.

Please enroll me as a member.

This Hibs for change nonsense is doing my head in and certainly not representative of my views.

[B'Briggs Hibee]

The more I have read about this guy the more I think he could do wonders for us. I really wanted oneill at first but after the in depth posts from bohstron I think I have been converted. I would still take oneill and I think its out of those 2 so delighted either way.

On a side note many thanks to bohstron for his views.

[scuttle]

You don't know if they are the outstanding candidate until you go through the process though.

Strachan and Davies ain't going anywhere in the next few days (even if they are on the list).
They aint going to Easter Road

[Stevie Reid]

Please enroll me as a member.

This Hibs for change nonsense is doing my head in and certainly not representative of my views.

You can tell them so by leaving a comment on the website: -

http://www.hibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk/

(http://www.hibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk/)

[yekimevol]

i don't want either after reading this in the evening news

"“Pat has been successful in Ireland and built very strong squads,” said Kenny. “There are many similarities between him and Michael: both go for very hard-working, well-drilled, well-organised teams. Neither’s team would be very open, with a team ethic and a sense of teamwork rather than individuals. Both have shown they can manage large squads of players, keeping many players happy. [O’Neill’s] Rovers have 25-26 first team players, and in the past Shelbourne [where Fenlon enjoyed some of his greatest success] have had squads of that ilk.

sounds like there both very defensive minded coaches we just had one and it never turn out to well.

http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/other-sport/post_with_sleeping_giant_would_be_dream_job_for_o_ neill_and_fenlon_claims_ex_pars_boss_kenny_1_19711 73

[CentreLine]

It is a shame that the Hibsforchange people were outside the North Stand and not inside at the AGM where we heard STF make the very valid and resounding speech in which he acknowledged the passion of all Hibs fans regardless of their point of view.

I will not join the chorus of criticism for Hibsforchange people for their passion but I will criticise them for their failure to acknowledge that they only speak for themselves and not for other Hibs fans. Certainly they do not represent my views.

A split in the fanbase is probably the worst thing that could happen at Easter Road. Someone needs to sit down with these guys and bring them back onside. Our club needs every supporter behind the team and not pointless and IMHO unjustified protest.

[HNA12]

Apologies folks. I didn't mean to merge the two longer Pat Fenlon threads. Whoops.

[ancient hibee]

Apologies folks. I didn't mean to merge the two longer Pat Fenlon threads. Whoops.


You're fired.

[Sean1875]

I want your dad as manager, he sounds the business!!
Hes done a barry job at the stirling highland hotel, PETRIE! :aok::flag:

[brog]

IMO this whole Fenton bandwagon may have started from a misconception, namely that when Hibs did Bohs the courtesy of advising that they wanted to speak to him this was interpreted as he, Fenton, was getting the job. Per the website now the interview process has not been completed.
FWIW I think Fenton could be a very good manager but I think MON's prior experience of Scottish football may just give him the edge.

[Spike Mandela]

Hes done a barry job at the stirling highland hotel, PETRIE! :aok::flag:

What a coincidence I got married there 15 years ago. Does he do discounts for Hibbies?:wink:

[--------]

i don't want either after reading this in the evening news

"“Pat has been successful in Ireland and built very strong squads,” said Kenny. “There are many similarities between him and Michael: both go for very hard-working, well-drilled, well-organised teams. Neither’s team would be very open, with a team ethic and a sense of teamwork rather than individuals. Both have shown they can manage large squads of players, keeping many players happy. [O’Neill’s] Rovers have 25-26 first team players, and in the past Shelbourne [where Fenlon enjoyed some of his greatest success] have had squads of that ilk.

sounds like there both very defensive minded coaches we just had one and it never turn out to well.

http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/other-sport/post_with_sleeping_giant_would_be_dream_job_for_o_ neill_and_fenlon_claims_ex_pars_boss_kenny_1_19711 73


On the contrary - that paragraph seems to me to be a very high recommendation for either. Hibs are crying out for someone to organise the team and get the players playing for one another. At times they've looked as if they'd only just met in the dressing-room an hour before the game.

A team ethic, strong teamwork, and an unwillingness to let the other team play aren't qualities that mean dour, defensive football.

And I would rather see the team being hard-working, well-drilled and well organised as opposed to shiftless, clueless and shambolic as they were the last couple of times I've seen them.

I don't know whether either of these guys is the man for the job - I do know that whoever gets the job will have his work cut out to turn things around. March 2007 saw us lift the League Cup 5-1 against Killie - what do we expect the score to be against Killie on Saturday? And when do we next expect to see silverware at ER? Think how far we've fallen.

I don't want to see Hibs become a boring, negative team grinding out 1-0 and 0-0 results regardless of the quality of the opposition.

But I would say that a team can only attack successfully from the basis of a sound defence, and equally can only defend successfully if the defence are supported by the attack tracking back. And that requires effort, teamwork, and organisation.

Right now we don't have a sound defence; the forwards and midfield players too often fail to track back to support the back four, and teamwork and a sense of pride in the jersey hardly figures.

[Spike Mandela]

On the contrary - that paragraph seems to me to be a very high recommendation for either. Hibs are crying out for someone to organise the team and get the players playing for one another. At times they've looked as if they'd only just met in the dressing-room an hour before the game.

A team ethic, strong teamwork, and an unwillingness to let the other team play aren't qualities that mean dour, defensive football.

And I would rather see the team being hard-working, well-drilled and well organised as opposed to shiftless, clueless and shambolic as they were the last couple of times I've seen them.

I don't know whether either of these guys is the man for the job - I do know that whoever gets the job will have his work cut out to turn things around. March 2007 saw us lift the League Cup 5-1 against Killie - what do we expect the score to be against Killie on Saturday? And when do we next expect to see silverware at ER? Think how far we've fallen.

I don't want to see Hibs become a boring, negative team grinding out 1-0 and 0-0 results regardless of the quality of the opposition.

But I would say that a team can only attack successfully from the basis of a sound defence, and equally can only defend successfully if the defence are supported by the attack tracking back. And that requires effort, teamwork, and organisation.

Right now we don't have a sound defence; the forwards and midfield players too often fail to track back to support the back four, and teamwork and a sense of pride in the jersey hardly figures.

You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

No matter who comes in, no matter what style they try to play I don't thing we have enough good players at the club to become a force this season.

[blackpoolhibs]

You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.

No matter who comes in, no matter what style they try to play I don't thing we have enough good players at the club to become a force this season.

:agree: We are no better today than when Hughes left. We need ANOTHER mass clearance, and another side built imo. Not great, but any new man whoever it is, needs to get this bunch more organised, fitter and better balanced.

Any decent manager worth his salt should be able to do those 3 basic things easily.

[Lucius Apuleius]

What a coincidence I got married there 15 years ago. Does he do discounts for Hibbies?:wink:

My Mum went to school there!!!!!


(Thankfully built a new one before I went though :greengrin)

[Sean1875]

What a coincidence I got married there 15 years ago. Does he do discounts for Hibbies?:wink:
I promise if my dad is the next Hibs manager I will get every hibs.net member a free weekend in the hotel :greengrin

[Speedway]

I hope the board pull a manager out who we've either never heard of or never considered but as soon as we hear him speak, think 'you'll do for me'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2379547/Hibs-hope-Mowbray-can-restore-past-glory.html

[bingo70]

I hope the board pull a manager out who we've either never heard of or never considered but as soon as we hear him speak, think 'you'll do for me'.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2379547/Hibs-hope-Mowbray-can-restore-past-glory.html

Agreed, we need someone that talks a good game too.

on a sidenote i take it our interest in Fenlon means we can put to be the theory we wouldn't be interested in Micahel O'neill if he wasn't an ex player?

[YehButNoBut]

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Henning Berg
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Franck Sauzee
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Phil Brown
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Paul Sturrock
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John Hartson
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Gordon Strachan
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Paul Cook
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Tony Mowbray
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Paul Hartley
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Iain Dowie
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John Hughes
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Jim Magilton
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John McGlynn
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Henrik Larsson
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Billy Davies
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Aidy Boothroyd
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Martin O'Neill
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Gary McAllister
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Jim Gannon
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Neil Lennon








[/QUOT

Danny Lennon currently 5/1 with Paddy Power from 20/1. :hmmm:

[Wellbankhibby]

[QUOTE=Wellbankhibby;2990793]

You just have no idea do you? You don't know me or what I do. Your first sentence is so stupid that ridicule would not do justice to it. I have stated quite clearly who I do not want. I am not that familiar with English, Irish or any other football to feel qualified to make comments on how good their leagues, ergo their managers actually are. You obviously seem to have all that knowledge, good on you. I really do not see what argument I have lost to be honest. I have a difference of opinion with you and that is it. I am afraid you are giving yourself delusions of grandeur if you think I would even bother arguing with you. Your opinion is that anyone else is a cheap option, I disagree. Obviously, being out of the country, I am not in touch with the "vast majority" of Hibs fans that you obviously are. Again, well done you, please enlighten us as to how you have come to this conclusion as there is certainly not a vast majority on hibs.net who are shouting for Strapon, but as I said, that and my family are the only eans at my disposal to judge. To be honest my younger son would like Strachan, my elder son O'Neill. See, no arguments with them either. Reasoned debate. Define the cheap option instead of going off on childish rants. Anyway, must be off, sitting in my office settling for 2nd 3rd or 4th best whilst trying to juggle my in excess of 1,000 staff. :wink:

Im afraid its you who has no idea about what our Club requires, Both your Sons are on the right lines a Manager who will take the club forward and lead us to silverware and back into Europe, Strachan & O'Neil are Sound. If you look at polls on this site past and present you will see that Strachan is always ahead of the field, so I would once again openely inform you that your wrong again about our Fans, I would accept not all fans would want him that is obvious we wont all agree 100%, Where we disagree is My Valid Point that recently the Hibs Board have always gone for the less known name except for past Players such as Yogi Mixu and Collins. You lost credibility when you resort to childish comments as I said before your still at it " I could be Nasty" tut tut, As for me having delusions of Grandeur Your comment regards your excess of 1000 Staff really made me laugh I think your mixing me up with your own feelings. I would give you one bit of advice instead of wasting your time on Hibs net making a total fool of yourself get back to your work as your workforce propably cant do without you, You dont want your company going into recession now. Hope to have a good laugh with you again but not for a few years. Glory to the Hibees. :wink:

[jonny]

I see they have their website just about up and running now. Feel free to go on there and leave a message (http://www.hibsforchangeeasterroad.co.uk. I just did.

They've also got an e-mail address - [email protected]


Done :flag:

[Lucius Apuleius]

[QUOTE=Lucius Apuleius;2991532]

Im afraid its you who has no idea about what our Club requires, Both your Sons are on the right lines a Manager who will take the club forward and lead us to silverware and back into Europe, Strachan & O'Neil are Sound. If you look at polls on this site past and present you will see that Strachan is always ahead of the field, so I would once again openely inform you that your wrong again about our Fans, I would accept not all fans would want him that is obvious we wont all agree 100%, Where we disagree is My Valid Point that recently the Hibs Board have always gone for the less known name except for past Players such as Yogi Mixu and Collins. You lost credibility when you resort to childish comments as I said before your still at it " I could be Nasty" tut tut, As for me having delusions of Grandeur Your comment regards your excess of 1000 Staff really made me laugh I think your mixing me up with your own feelings. I would give you one bit of advice instead of wasting your time on Hibs net making a total fool of yourself get back to your work as your workforce propably cant do without you, You dont want your company going into recession now. Hope to have a good laugh with you again but not for a few years. Glory to the Hibees. :wink:

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin Oh dear oh dear oh dear. You cannot even edit your edits correctly. Methinks you should actually go back to school and learn grammar. However that is also just my viewpoint. You do come over as a bit of a tosser, but that also is OK. The world needs all sorts to survive and act. You are probably correct that I should not have mentioned the number of staff working for me. That was a tad crass and totally unlike me. I should add, it is not my company, but I can assure you of one thing, it will not be affected by any recession. I would take issue with me making a fool of myself, not something I have ever done and really does show you up for what you are. We have a difference of opinion over the way forward for the club we both purport to love so it makes me a fool? Too insular for me. Strange words indeed. Anyway, you are corect, you have now bored me so toddle off to wherever it is you toddle off to when you are not here. Put me on ignore or something and give us some peace. I will just add as a finale that I really hope I do not have a laugh with you as I don't think you know what a laugh means.

Byeeeee

[stokesmessiah]

[QUOTE=Wellbankhibby;2992597]

:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin Oh dear oh dear oh dear. You cannot even edit your edits correctly. Methinks you should actually go back to school and learn grammar. However that is also just my viewpoint. You do come over as a bit of a tosser, but that also is OK. The world needs all sorts to survive and act. You are probably correct that I should not have mentioned the number of staff working for me. That was a tad crass and totally unlike me. I should add, it is not my company, but I can assure you of one thing, it will not be affected by any recession. I would take issue with me making a fool of myself, not something I have ever done and really does show you up for what you are. We have a difference of opinion over the way forward for the club we both purport to love so it makes me a fool? Too insular for me. Strange words indeed. Anyway, you are corect, you have now bored me so toddle off to wherever it is you toddle off to when you are not here. Put me on ignore or something and give us some peace. I will just add as a finale that I really hope I do not have a laugh with you as I don't think you know what a laugh means.

Byeeeee

I am confused are you arguing with yourself???

[Lucius Apuleius]

[QUOTE=Lucius Apuleius;2993083]

I am confused are you arguing with yourself???

Probably the only person I usually do argue with :greengrin Obviously the quoted part was from W'ankhibby but he has somehow got my name on it. Boogered if I know how.

[Speedway]

We've got to remember that whoever gets the job won't be good enough until they start winning. I remember .net in the early Mowbray era. I remember the 'Ally Brown in goals? WTF?' I remember the 'He had the chance of Dale Gordon and he's gone for some middlesborough kid called Murphy who's played 1 senior game? WTF?' I remember losing the opener to Kilmarnock and the Mowbray WTF, GTF, OFGTF, FFF, STF, DFS, EMF, MFI, TFIF etc etc.

Then he started winning games and was a demi god.

The new man will be clueless until proven cluefull.

[YehButNoBut]

Terry Butcher seems to be the biggest mover today currently 11/2 from 20/1, Pat Fenlon out to evens & O'Neill 6/5.

Think it's between the 2 Irishmen. :dunno:

[PatHead]

Wonder if Butcher was the man meeting Rod today. One thing is for sure. We won't know who has got job until the last minute. I remember when Alex Miller got the job everyone was expecting Terry Christie to be the man and I would have loved to know the odds on Tony Mowbrey.

[Steve20]

We've got to remember that whoever gets the job won't be good enough until they start winning. I remember .net in the early Mowbray era. I remember the 'Ally Brown in goals? WTF?' I remember the 'He had the chance of Dale Gordon and he's gone for some middlesborough kid called Murphy who's played 1 senior game? WTF?' I remember losing the opener to Kilmarnock and the Mowbray WTF, GTF, OFGTF, FFF, STF, DFS, EMF, MFI, TFIF etc etc.

Then he started winning games and was a demi god.

The new man will be clueless until proven cluefull.

I don't remember after the Killie game people saying that about Mowbray. In fact, we played quite well that day.

[PatHead]

I don't remember after the Killie game people saying that about Mowbray. In fact, we played quite well that day.

Remember Hibs attacking straight from the kick off. Couldn't believe it after the Williamson years.

[Andy74]

I don't remember after the Killie game people saying that about Mowbray. In fact, we played quite well that day.

I remember the MFI bit.

[Matty_Jack04]

Jim Spence tweets

Neither pat fenlon or Michael o'neill have been interviewed
At this stage bbc Scotland understands.

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I don't remember after the Killie game people saying that about Mowbray. In fact, we played quite well that day.


Nor I. My son and I had been at the Leeds pre-season (which we lost 3-1) and came away agreeing that in spite of the result there were lots of signs that as soon as he got things organised we'd be a more than decent side.

I think that that was the general feeling after the Killie match, too.

Of course Mowbray had the 'advantage' of starting off with almost no playing-staff at all - he could bring in his own men and build the team according to his own ideas.

The new guy has a staff of players assembled by his predecessor - who didn't seem to know what to do with them when he got them...

BUT - as Blackpool says, anyone worth his salt should be able to put a bit of stick about and get more out of them than Calderwood managed to.

Billy Brown, come on down and prove yourself!

[PatHead]

Michael O'Neill now 4/7 odds on favourite on Paddy Power

[Stevie Reid]

Nor I. My son and I had been at the Leeds pre-season (which we lost 3-1) and came away agreeing that in spite of the result there were lots of signs that as soon as he got things organised we'd be a more than decent side.

I think that that was the general feeling after the Killie match, too.

Of course Mowbray had the 'advantage' of starting off with almost no playing-staff at all - he could bring in his own men and build the team according to his own ideas.

The new guy has a staff of players assembled by his predecessor - who didn't seem to know what to do with them when he got them...

BUT - as Blackpool says, anyone worth his salt should be able to put a bit of stick about and get more out of them than Calderwood managed to.

Billy Brown, come on down and prove yourself!

:agree:

Our style of play v Leeds and v Killie was such a breath of fresh air after Williamson's time that I can only remember people being overwhelmingly positive about our performances, despite the results.

Though FWIW, we only fielded 3 new signings v Killie (though Shiels and Morrow came off the bench): -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/3538056.stm

[yekimevol]

On the contrary - that paragraph seems to me to be a very high recommendation for either. Hibs are crying out for someone to organise the team and get the players playing for one another. At times they've looked as if they'd only just met in the dressing-room an hour before the game.

A team ethic, strong teamwork, and an unwillingness to let the other team play aren't qualities that mean dour, defensive football.

And I would rather see the team being hard-working, well-drilled and well organised as opposed to shiftless, clueless and shambolic as they were the last couple of times I've seen them.

I don't know whether either of these guys is the man for the job - I do know that whoever gets the job will have his work cut out to turn things around. March 2007 saw us lift the League Cup 5-1 against Killie - what do we expect the score to be against Killie on Saturday? And when do we next expect to see silverware at ER? Think how far we've fallen.

I don't want to see Hibs become a boring, negative team grinding out 1-0 and 0-0 results regardless of the quality of the opposition.

But I would say that a team can only attack successfully from the basis of a sound defence, and equally can only defend successfully if the defence are supported by the attack tracking back. And that requires effort, teamwork, and organisation.

Right now we don't have a sound defence; the forwards and midfield players too often fail to track back to support the back four, and teamwork and a sense of pride in the jersey hardly figures.

i could handle a defensive team (i love serie a) it would be fine by me a squad that chases every ball battles every game. but is that what the fans want to see a squad that fights for 1-0 games every game. i remember mixu going one nil up in many games then losing them as they never went in for the kill.

what is the hibernian football philosophy get the ball down and attack the opponent to quote a ex manager "fast flowing attacking football" that is what hibs fans want to see.

[SHODAN]

i could handle a defensive team (i love serie a) it would be fine by me a squad that chases every ball battles every game. but is that what the fans want to see a squad that fights for 1-0 games every game. i remember mixu going one nil up in many games then losing them as they never went in for the kill.what is the hibernian football philosophy get the ball down and attack the opponent to quote a ex manager "fast flowing attacking football" that is what hibs fans want to see. In Mixu's only full season, we never lost a game in which we scored first. We also never won a game in which the opposition scored first.

[Frazerbob]

Fenlon out to 3/1 and O'Neill in to 4/9 with Paddy Power :thumbsup:

[RyeSloan]

I don't think the front runners in this annual circus have ever got the job have they?

Would not be surprised in the slightest if the new man will be someone who has not been mentioned on this thread :greengrin

[Makaveli]

Fenlon out to 3/1 and O'Neill in to 4/9 with Paddy Power :thumbsup:

And yet Fenlon is 1/2 and O'Neill 6/5 at skybet (http://www.skybet.com/betting/football/manager-specials/t10002896.html)!

Prices always fluctuate, but the odds for the frontrunners being so far off is a dead giveaway that the bookies don't have a clue. Each bookie seems to be purely basing it on the bets they themselves have taken.

[Frazerbob]

And yet Fenlon is 1/2 and O'Neill 6/5 at skybet (http://www.skybet.com/betting/football/manager-specials/t10002896.html)!

Prices always fluctuate, but the odds for the frontrunners being so far off is a dead giveaway that the bookies don't have a clue. Each bookie seems to be purely basing it on the bets they themselves have taken.

Totally agree. You could actually see MON's odds move with every bet my mates placed last week. He went from 4/1 to 1/2 in the space of a few bets totalling around £500. For fenlon to move in from 20/1 to 1/5 would have taken a bet of only £100 or so. It really doesn't take much for a big move in this market.

[tamig]

Done :flag:

Just put a message on as well. What a pish statement from them. Remove Petrie - and??? Bunch of tubes.

[jonny]

Just put a message on as well. What a pish statement from them. Remove Petrie - and??? Bunch of tubes.

:top marks:flag:

[E10 Rifle]

Any odds on George Burley coming in from the cold to take the hot seat?

[Hibby70]

I think its going to be a surprise, someone in the Solsjkaer mold(e) who will get us all excited. No inside knowledge just a feeling that he's not going to be on the bookies list.

[offshorehibby]

Noticed Butcher as low a 3/1 and Strachan 8/1 from about 16/1 last week

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/hibernian-specials/next-permanent-manager

[PatHead]

Noticed Butcher as low a 3/1 and Strachan 8/1 from about 16/1 last week

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/hibernian-specials/next-permanent-manager

Fenlon still favourite though 10/11 with MON 11/10 next (Paddy Power)

Can't wait on appointment though to try and get some feelgood factor about the club and fans though

[The Hurricane]

Noticed Butcher as low a 3/1 and Strachan 8/1 from about 16/1 last week

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/hibernian-specials/next-permanent-manager

Strachan wants too much wages

[mrdependable]

i havent a clue who it might be but i do know that Scott Lindsay called Sir Alex Ferguson last week to ask his opinion on a few of the applicants.

[Kammy1875]

i havent a clue who it might be but i do know that Scott Lindsay called Sir Alex Ferguson last week to ask his opinion on a few of the applicants.

Paul Ince? :greengrin

[smurf]

i havent a clue who it might be but i do know that Scott Lindsay called Sir Alex Ferguson last week to ask his opinion on a few of the applicants.

How would you know that?

Wonder if the story of Strachan was raised that Sir Alex tells in his 1999 autobiography...

[The Hurricane]

i havent a clue who it might be but i do know that Scott Lindsay called Sir Alex Ferguson last week to ask his opinion on a few of the applicants.

If true that rules out Strachan

[--------]

Any odds on George Burley coming in from the cold to take the hot seat?


Shorter odds on George Smiley, IMO.