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ScottB
07-11-2011, 09:38 PM
Thought this was worth a thread, given there seems to have been some clamour to get him involved in the club, and his views are interesting certainly...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
There's been little sunshine on Leith to warm Hibs supporters in recent times. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
With manager Colin Calderwood sacked a year into the job and Hibs languishing in ninth spot - a point off the bottom of the table - storm clouds are hovering menacingly over an icy Easter Road. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
Calderwood, Hibs' seventh boss in 10 years, was shown the door after a poor run of results. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
But former Hibs manager and captain Pat Stanton believes his departure offers the club the chance to begin the slow process of recovery. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
Calderwood's turbulent 12-month reign was brought to an end just days before chairman Rod Petrie was due to face disgruntled fans at the club's AGM. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
Billy Brown, 60, has been appointed caretaker boss and Stanton, who captained Hibs to their 1972 League Cup victory, told BBC Scotland that Brown will stabilise the situation at Easter Road. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
"Billy will be ideal for that (caretaker role). He's got a lot of experience of working without a lot of resources," he said.

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)Former Hibs midfielder Michael O'Neill, now in charge of Shamrock Rovers, appears to be the early frontrunner. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
But there has also been speculation that Brown could reunite with former Hearts boss Jim Jefferies at Easter Road. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
And Stanton believes Hibs fans shouldn't rule out a former Jambo taking up the managerial reins permanently. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
"You hear people talking about Jim Jefferies as well. We know Jim's connections with Hearts but you can't be too parochial about the whole thing," he said. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
"If you can get a man to come in and do the job then it doesn't matter to me. His background doesn't matter at all and he's proved himself that he can do things in this league. If that's the case then I don't see the problem. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
"Some Hibs supporters will, but I don't. I'd rather see the job given to a man who's capable and experienced rather than a newcomer." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
Attendances at Easter Road dwindled as Hibs fans voted with their feet; empty green seats became a regular feature during Calderwood's tenure. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
Derek Riordan and Liam Miller were among a host of stars who left the Scottish capital in the summer. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)
And although Garry O'Connor and Ivan Sproule returned for a second spell at Easter Road, Stanton believes the squad isn't up to scratch and should also shoulder some responsibility for the current plight.

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)"There've been far too many changes and the supporters start to lose a bit of heart," he said.
"However, they're still there and haven't emigrated. They're just waiting for the club to pick up again, which hopefully they will. The club needs some continuity to settle things down and push up the league.
"The fans are there to support them; they're disappointed but they're still there and will come back when things start to pick up."
Historically, Hibs have often favoured a cavalier approach to their managerial appointments: from Franck Sauzée and John Hughes to John Collins and Tony Mowbray.
But Stanton believes a pragmatic approach is crucial to the club's pursuit of silverware.
"Right now it should be about calming things down and winning football matches because, at the end of the day, that's what it's all about."
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)

bingo70
07-11-2011, 09:43 PM
Thought this was worth a thread, given there seems to have been some clamour to get him involved in the club, and his views are interesting certainly...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15628207.stm)

Disagree with him that it's all about winning football.

I consider football to be in the entertainment industry and for what we pay to watch it i want to be entertained, if it was all about winning football i wouldn't be a hibs fan, thats for sure

VivaPalmeiras
07-11-2011, 09:45 PM
Am I right in thinking that Pat didnt comment on CCs stewardship or our fortunes during this troublesome period? Don't recall an article but then again I was hardly looking them out after the capitulations and embarrassment.

ScottB
07-11-2011, 09:46 PM
Disagree with him that it's all about winning football.

I consider football to be in the entertainment industry and for what we pay to watch it i want to be entertained, if it was all about winning football i wouldn't be a hibs fan, thats for sure

Certainly, I would say in the short term though, it is going to be about winning and not much else, but long term, a boring team will cause us problems...

grunt
07-11-2011, 09:47 PM
Heard him interviewed on Sportsound tonight. He also said that he watched the Dunfermline game at the weekend, and was disappointed that no Hibs players were spoken to by the ref for losing their cool - he thought this indicated that the players weren't committed and didn't seem to mind losing, ther was no fight in them. I am paraphrasing, so maybe not got the words exactly right, but that's the gist of what I heard him say. He also said that when Celtic equalised in the cup game, the players reacted as if they'd gone behind.

bingo70
07-11-2011, 09:50 PM
Certainly, I would say in the short term though, it is going to be about winning and not much else, but long term, a boring team will cause us problems...

We're at an important crossroads in our future though so nows the time to address the lack of entertainment, not a year or so after appointing a new manager and then go back through the process again.

Thats why i want a young and up and coming manager that might just be brilliant instead of some old fart that will get us grinding out the odd 1 nil win but never ever bring the crowds back.

Andy74
07-11-2011, 10:03 PM
I was just a kid but Pat wasn't the greatest manager either, was he?

smurf
07-11-2011, 10:19 PM
I was just a kid but Pat wasn't the greatest manager either, was he?

Wasn't backed to the extent Hughes or CC were...

IberianHibernian
07-11-2011, 10:30 PM
I was just a kid but Pat wasn't the greatest manager either, was he?When fans and journalists look at managers' records especially 20 or more years after they tend to make great generalisations . With Hibs in last 35 years , opinion is that Turnbull , McLeish and Mowbray were great and others were between average and terrible . Fact that Turnbull`s team was relegated ( after ET left ) and Mowbray`s and McLeish`s teams were in decline tends to be forgotten . When supposedly failing manager has been a legend as a player ( and I do not include Yogi or Mixu as legends but Pat Stanton certainly ) criticism is often even more negative ( "great player but rotten manager " ) . I actually think Stanton was a reasonable manager but he was manager at a time when club had little money to sign to get out of terrible situation that had followed following decline which started during Turnbull`s time . I remember 3 big signings at the time ( Alan Rough who was definitely a good signing , Mike Conroy who was a quality player at Celtic but had lost confidence after injuries and striker Garry Murray a striker signed from Montrose who tried hard but was never really good enough so there only one was good big signing from three ) but great young players like Weir , Kane , McKee , were introduced and did well . The team played good football and certainly Stanton`s successors benefitted from group of young players he had introduced . Stanton`s time as manager also coincided with a Hearts revival so being 4th or 5th in league seemed terrible for Hibs fans who were used to the 70s when Hearts were usually well below us or even a division below us .

Tom Hart RIP
08-11-2011, 11:56 AM
When fans and journalists look at managers' records especially 20 or more years after they tend to make great generalisations . With Hibs in last 35 years , opinion is that Turnbull , McLeish and Mowbray were great and others were between average and terrible . Fact that Turnbull`s team was relegated ( after ET left ) and Mowbray`s and McLeish`s teams were in decline tends to be forgotten . When supposedly failing manager has been a legend as a player ( and I do not include Yogi or Mixu as legends but Pat Stanton certainly ) criticism is often even more negative ( "great player but rotten manager " ) . I actually think Stanton was a reasonable manager but he was manager at a time when club had little money to sign to get out of terrible situation that had followed following decline which started during Turnbull`s time . I remember 3 big signings at the time ( Alan Rough who was definitely a good signing , Mike Conroy who was a quality player at Celtic but had lost confidence after injuries and striker Garry Murray a striker signed from Montrose who tried hard but was never really good enough so there only one was good big signing from three ) but great young players like Weir , Kane , McKee , were introduced and did well . The team played good football and certainly Stanton`s successors benefitted from group of young players he had introduced . Stanton`s time as manager also coincided with a Hearts revival so being 4th or 5th in league seemed terrible for Hibs fans who were used to the 70s when Hearts were usually well below us or even a division below us .

Good point. Pat also swapped Bobby Flavell for Willie Irvine who scored 20 plus goals in one season. People forget that he was Fergie's first choice as assistant manager and may still have been with him had he not decided to try his hand at management. Pat is one of the few that Fergie did not insult in his autobiography and clearly holds him in the highest regard. If we had persisted with Pat as manager and given him half the resources as Alex Miller then we would have achieved much more.

Hamish
08-11-2011, 12:02 PM
Wasn't backed to the extent Hughes or CC were...

:agree: We think we have some poor players nowadays, but Pat had worse.

Bad Martini
08-11-2011, 12:32 PM
Canny disagree with anything Pat Stanton has said.

The man more than deserves to have his opinions heard for what he's done for Hibs.

The word legend is used to often these days showing a general acceptance of the mediocre when a hattrick or good few goals = legend.

Stanton IS a legend. And, he's a Hibby, with respect for the club and the shirt. That is something you dont find too often these days. If he were a few years younger, with the setup and cash we have now, I'd love to have seen him picking up the reigns as per what Kenny Dalglish has done at Liverpool. You cannot buy a bond like that and some teams/players and managers just work well together. Pat Stanton and Hibs = such a combo.

Anyways, the luke warm response to Pat's comments are purely down to the fact he dared to suggest the best man for the job is the best man for the job regardless of whether he happens to be a yam, hun or otherwise. Im wi Pat all the way here.

Dont care where the next manager comes from....MON THE HIBEES.

OxoHibby
08-11-2011, 12:41 PM
Good point. Pat also swapped Bobby Flavell for Willie Irvine who scored 20 plus goals in one season. People forget that he was Fergie's first choice as assistant manager and may still have been with him had he not decided to try his hand at management. Pat is one of the few that Fergie did not insult in his autobiography and clearly holds him in the highest regard. If we had persisted with Pat as manager and given him half the resources as Alex Miller then we would have achieved much more.

AFAIK Pat wasn't sacked. He walked away from management due to disciplinary run ins with the SFA and still has an unpaid fine that he would have to pay before he could manage again if he ever wanted to.

hibiedude
08-11-2011, 01:11 PM
Canny disagree with anything Pat Stanton has said.

The man more than deserves to have his opinions heard for what he's done for Hibs.

The word legend is used to often these days showing a general acceptance of the mediocre when a hattrick or good few goals = legend.

Stanton IS a legend. And, he's a Hibby, with respect for the club and the shirt. That is something you dont find too often these days. If he were a few years younger, with the setup and cash we have now, I'd love to have seen him picking up the reigns as per what Kenny Dalglish has done at Liverpool. You cannot buy a bond like that and some teams/players and managers just work well together. Pat Stanton and Hibs = such a combo.

Anyways, the luke warm response to Pat's comments are purely down to the fact he dared to suggest the best man for the job is the best man for the job regardless of whether he happens to be a yam, hun or otherwise. Im wi Pat all the way here.

Dont care where the next manager comes from....MON THE HIBEES.

100% agree with your comments some people want success but don't want it delivered by an ex Hearts Manager.

Pat Stanton comments might make uneasy reading for some but that's their problem.

Hibercelona
08-11-2011, 01:15 PM
Disagree with him that it's all about winning football.

Right now, winning is all that matters. It should be our number 1 priority.

If its not, then something is seriously wrong.