jimmy savile dies :-(

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15507374


Former DJ, TV presenter and charity fundraiser Sir Jimmy Savile has died, aged 84.



some guy he was :agree:



(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15507374)

[hibsbollah]

I was sitting along from him on the train once. He was alone in first class, cut a bit of a sad figure, had at large collection of whisky and green ginger empties on the table in front of him.

[Sean1875]

I was sitting along from him on the train once. He was alone in first class, cut a bit of a sad figure, had at large collection of whisky and green ginger empties on the table in front of him.
Read a quote from Tony Blackburn that he believed in his private life Jimmy was quite a lonely figure with not many friends, shame.

R.I.P Jimmy.

[Pretty Boy]

Raised £20M to help rebuild a spinal injuries unit destroyed in a storm and ran over 200 marathons for charity, deserves massive respect for that alone. RIP.

[steakbake]

Did a lot of good work in public but he was a Jekyll and Hyde character who had all sorts of shady goings on in his private life.

A slightly tragic figure.

[Geo_1875]

That'll come as a huge disappointment to hertz who had written to Jim about fixing the hole in their roof. :)

[heretoday]

Judging by comments made by fellow DJs nobody knew him very well. Blackburn said he never lit his cigars. Stewart said he did. Read said he didn't touch alcohol. Our post above suggests he did. Maybe that says more about the empty-headedness of disc jockeys really.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Playing rock n roll in heaven with the angels.

[steakbake]

Playing rock n roll in heaven with the angels.

Hmmm.... I'm wouldn't be so sure.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Hmmm.... I'm wouldn't be so sure.

His catchphrase, not mine, as it 'appens. Used to love his Old Record Club on a Sunday where him and Diggers used to give points for guessing the right name of songs (open brackets, close brackets)

Then there was the rumour that the necrophiliac character, who had his own room at a hospital where he did charity work in Ecstasy might have been based on Jimmy Saville. I don't think so though cos that guy had a West Country accent, and Jimmy was from Leeds.

A sinister man who wasn't quite as lovable as he liked people to think, IMO.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/2011/11/04/jimmy-savile-to-be-buried-at-45-degree-angle-in-gold-coffin-so-he-can-get-a-sea-view-86908-23536950/



SIR Jimmy Savile will be buried at a 45-degree angle - to give him a view of the sea.


b (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/2011/11/04/jimmy-savile-to-be-buried-at-45-degree-angle-in-gold-coffin-so-he-can-get-a-sea-view-86908-23536950/)izarre :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/2011/11/04/jimmy-savile-to-be-buried-at-45-degree-angle-in-gold-coffin-so-he-can-get-a-sea-view-86908-23536950/



SIR Jimmy Savile will be buried at a 45-degree angle - to give him a view of the sea.


b (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/2011/11/04/jimmy-savile-to-be-buried-at-45-degree-angle-in-gold-coffin-so-he-can-get-a-sea-view-86908-23536950/)izarre :greengrin

How will he be able to 'see' it through the wooden coffin and a ton of earth?

[Leicester Fan]

How will he be able to 'see' it through the wooden coffin and a ton of earth?

He's dead, I wouldn't worry about it.

[cabbageandribs1875]

How will he be able to 'see' it through the wooden coffin and a ton of earth?


gets worse

he will now have to 'see' it through concrete as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-15717221



(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-15717221)

[The Green Goblin]

How will he be able to 'see' it through the wooden coffin and a ton of earth?

Is there anyone we could write to to fix this?

GG

[Lucius Apuleius]

So now we have no Jobs, no Cash, no Hope and nobody to bloody fix it!!!! Sad times indeed.

[Pete]

If he has the ability to see right now I doubt he's looking any further than the top totty that surrounds him.

[seal]

There is a very slime Hibs connection. When he was very young he was not expected to live, his mother then went to Leeds Cathedral and found a prayer card to Margaret Sinclair( who was known to attend Easter Road with her brother). He survived...God is a Hibeee

[seal]

There is a very slime Hibs connection. When he was very young he was not expected to live, his mother then went to Leeds Cathedral and found a prayer card to Margaret Sinclair( who was known to attend Easter Road with her brother). He survived...God is a Hibeee

Sorry "slim" not "slime". :confused:

[--------]

Hmmm.... I'm wouldn't be so sure.

Nor would I. The public image didn't match the real person, I'm afraid.


Sorry "slim" not "slime". :confused:

I really think you got it right the first time. :rolleyes:

[Hibs Class]

Nor would I. The public image didn't match the real person, I'm afraid. I really think you got it right the first time. :rolleyes: I'm guessing you knew him?

[--------]

I'm guessing you knew him?

My father-in-law was a sleeping-car attendant on the Edinburgh-London night express.

Savile was a regular traveller on the train.

Suffice to say that JS wasn't one of Bill's favourite clients. Bill was an obliging sort of bloke, but there were certain services he wasn't prepared to (how shall I put it?) 'procure' for him.

[Greentinted]

Nor would I. The public image didn't match the real person, I'm afraid.



I really think you got it right the first time. :rolleyes:


:agree: Aye, just ask the residents of Fox Hayes. Vile scrap of human detritus.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Sorry "slim" not "slime". :confused:

It's not too late to reconsider this. :greengrin

Any chance we could merge the Saville threads?

[--------]

There is a very slime Hibs connection. When he was very young he was not expected to live, his mother then went to Leeds Cathedral and found a prayer card to Margaret Sinclair( who was known to attend Easter Road with her brother). He survived...God is a Hibeee


I believe Hitler was a sickly child as well.

The theological implications of this line of thought are mind-boggling.

"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea..." (Matthew 18.6)

A quote from the Man himself that a lot of his alleged 'servants' should take to heart ....

[Steve-O]

My father-in-law was a sleeping-car attendant on the Edinburgh-London night express.

Savile was a regular traveller on the train.

Suffice to say that JS wasn't one of Bill's favourite clients. Bill was an obliging sort of bloke, but there were certain services he wasn't prepared to (how shall I put it?) 'procure' for him.

Now it's all come out...tell us more :agree:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Now it's all come out...

Unfortunate choice of phrase given the subject matter :-o

[--------]

Now it's all come out...tell us more :agree:


Why?

[Steve-O]

Why?

I am interested to hear what Savile was up to. I can half guess the sort of thing you are inferring, just interested to provide more context to everything else I am reading.

[--------]

I am interested to hear what Savile was up to. I can half guess the sort of thing you are inferring, just interested to provide more context to everything else I am reading.


Fair enough - but I'd really rather not go onto more details. Suffice to say that Savile expected the attendants to provide a lot more than just a clean berth and a wake-up cup of tea at King's Cross.

[steakbake]

Fair enough - but I'd really rather not go onto more details. Suffice to say that Savile expected the attendants to provide a lot more than just a clean berth and a wake-up cup of tea at King's Cross.

Did he want a packet of biscuits and a newspaper with his cup of tea as well?

[Beefster]

Lots of 70's celebrities getting accusations thrown at them now. Saville, John Peel, Ed Stewart, Freddie Starr...

Lots of folk who kept their mouths shut have a lot of questions to answer too.

[(((Fergus)))]

Fair enough - but I'd really rather not go onto more details. Suffice to say that Savile expected the attendants to provide a lot more than just a clean berth and a wake-up cup of tea at King's Cross.

You mean he was hitting on your father-in-law?! :confused:

[One Day Soon]

I believe Hitler was a sickly child as well.

The theological implications of this line of thought are mind-boggling.

"But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea..." (Matthew 18.6)
A quote from the Man himself that a lot of his alleged 'servants' should take to heart ....


Which servants did you have in mind?

[One Day Soon]

Lots of 70's celebrities getting accusations thrown at them now. Saville, John Peel, Ed Stewart, Freddie Starr...

Lots of folk who kept their mouths shut have a lot of questions to answer too.


What have the non-Saville others been accused of?

[hibsbollah]

I refuse to believe anything bad about John Peel, even if its true.

[James70]

I think that it is important to bear something in mind here.

Whilst I am sure that Savile was not the only DJ carrying on with underage girls he was probably 20 years older than the majority of other Radio 1 DJs.

Without making any allegations or accusations here about anyone in particular many Radio 1 DJs then were in their early 20s and quite happy to take anything on offer and they went on to have normal relationships with women nearer their own age. Savile on the other hand seemed to be grooming young girls well into his 40s and probably longer and never seemed to become involved with older women.

John Peel actually married a 15yr old when he was in the States but he was still probably only 5 or 6 years older than her at most.

[(((Fergus)))]

I think that it is important to bear something in mind here.

Whilst I am sure that Savile was not the only DJ carrying on with underage girls he was probably 20 years older than the majority of other Radio 1 DJs.

Without making any allegations or accusations here about anyone in particular many Radio 1 DJs then were in their early 20s and quite happy to take anything on offer and they went on to have normal relationships with women nearer their own age. Savile on the other hand seemed to be grooming young girls well into his 40s and probably longer and never seemed to become involved with older women.

John Peel actually married a 15yr old when he was in the States but he was still probably only 5 or 6 years older than her at most.

John Peel was 26 when he was riding a 15-year-old girl. Paedophilia is a (moral) crime because of the age of the child, not the adult.

PS Saville was 13 years older than John Peel

[--------]

Which servants did you have in mind?


That would be an ecumenical matter. :greengrin

[James70]

I was not for one minute trying to condone the behaviour of other DJs which of course was quite unacceptable if underage girls were involved.

However it does seem that Savile, both by his own behaviour and by his comments regarding Gary Glitter was a serial paedophile over many years, cunning, clever and downright evil and fully aware that his actions if made public would end his career.

I'm sure that there will be more than a few individuals who will not be sleeping well these days worried about what further revelations will come out.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19856081


Former Radio 1 DJ Liz Kershaw has claimed she was groped while broadcasting in the 1980s.

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme she remembered the unnamed presenter fondling her breasts while she was on live radio.


wonder who the nawty boy was ? even in the 80's i'm sure most women would have slapped his coupon for him :dunno: anyway, name and shame Liz

[Betty Boop]

Julie Burchill article on John Peel, from 1999.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/1999/jan/23/weekend.julieburchill

[Phil D. Rolls]

John Peel was 26 when he was riding a 15-year-old girl. Paedophilia is a (moral) crime because of the age of the child, not the adult.

PS Saville was 13 years older than John Peel

This is where it gets a bit difficult for me. 15 yrs 364 days = nonce, 16 years and 1 day legal. It's possible for the girl to be mature and the guy immature. That said, the law is the law.

[Haymaker]

This is where it gets a bit difficult for me. 15 yrs 364 days = nonce, 16 years and 1 day legal. It's possible for the girl to be mature and the guy immature. That said, the law is the law.

Was it a legal marriage in the state he was in? If so - not a nonce by law.

They have some funny laws out here in some states, think most of the young marriage ones have gone now though.

[Hibs Class]

Was it a legal marriage in the state he was in? If so - not a nonce by law.

They have some funny laws out here in some states, think most of the young marriage ones have gone now though.

Didn't jerry lee lewis fall foul of these laws as well?

[Haymaker]

Didn't jerry lee lewis fall foul of these laws as well?

Only when he left his state IIRC.

[Beefster]

This is where it gets a bit difficult for me. 15 yrs 364 days = nonce, 16 years and 1 day legal. It's possible for the girl to be mature and the guy immature. That said, the law is the law.

John Peel is accused of also abusing girls of 13/14 in his heyday. In fact, it's not really an accusation as he pretty much admitted it himself. The fact that one of his wives was underage but might have been as mentally mature as a 16 year old is pretty much irrelevant IMHO.

[hibsbollah]

Julie Burchill article on John Peel, from 1999.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/1999/jan/23/weekend.julieburchill

A couple of contextless quotes, and a load of prejudice. Pretty standard Julie Burchill fare.
Unless theres any other evidence that he was up to no good, id say putting John Peel and Jimmy Saville in the same bracket is ridiculous.

[hibsbollah]

John Peel is accused of also abusing girls of 13/14 .



Link?

[marinello59]

A couple of contextless quotes, and a load of prejudice. Pretty standard Julie ABurchill fare.
Unless theres any other evidence that he was up to no good, id say putting John Peel and Jimmy Saville in the same bracket is ridiculous.

The article was written in 1999 so I don't think that is fair comment. Comparing Peel to Saville is not the point. She actually scores a few bullseyes there. Her summation of the legacy of punk was particularly good.

[degenerated]

A couple of contextless quotes, and a load of prejudice. Pretty standard Julie Burchill fare.
Unless theres any other evidence that he was up to no good, id say putting John Peel and Jimmy Saville in the same bracket is ridiculous.

The same Julie Burchill who said she was happy that John Lennon was dead, called ariel Sharon the enemy of the Jews when he pulled out of a couple of gaza settlements and thought condoleeza rice was the coolest black woman since cleopatra.
She spends as much time in her article on John peel attacking him for daring to like punk after she and her Bromley pals decided it was uncool. She's very difficult to ignore bit well worth the effort.

[hibsbollah]

The article was written in 1999 so I don't think that is fair comment. Comparing Peel to Saville is not the point. She actually scores a few bullseyes there. Her summation of the legacy of punk was particularly good.

It makes no difference when the article was written, its still full of innuendo that isnt substantiated.

[Sergio sledge]

Link?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213621/Claire-McAlpine-A-15-year-old-killed-leaving-diary-naming-DJs-abusers-Disturbing-questions-John-Peel-So-starts-WERE-involved.html

There's quotes in there from Peel himself, so I hardly think it's unsubstantiated.

[hibsbollah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213621/Claire-McAlpine-A-15-year-old-killed-leaving-diary-naming-DJs-abusers-Disturbing-questions-John-Peel-So-starts-WERE-involved.html

There's quotes in there from Peel himself, so I hardly think it's unsubstantiated.

I cant see the link, but if its the 'they were all queuing up to be abused, which of course I was happy to do' thing, I think thats more down to his self deprecating sense of humour than anything else. I heard him say that on Desert Island Discs and in the context I thought it was funny.

[Sergio sledge]

I cant see the link, but if its the 'they were all queuing up to be abused, which of course I was happy to do' thing, I think thats more down to his self deprecating sense of humour than anything else. I heard him say that on Desert Island Discs and in the context I thought it was funny.

Was he joking when he said that girls as young as 13 were queueing up to give him BJ's? And that he didn't ask their age? Odd thing to joke about if you ask me, but I guess some folk like that sort of joke.

[Beefster]

I cant see the link, but if its the 'they were all queuing up to be abused, which of course I was happy to do' thing, I think thats more down to his self deprecating sense of humour than anything else. I heard him say that on Desert Island Discs and in the context I thought it was funny.

Married a fifteen year old and joked on numerous occasions about abusing underage girls. Nothing to suggest any wrongdoing then...

[hibsbollah]

Married a fifteen year old and joked on numerous occasions about abusing underage girls. Nothing to suggest any wrongdoing then...


I agree with your last sentence.

[Beefster]

I agree with your last sentence.

Bit of a John Peel fanboi?

[hibsbollah]

fanboi?


:dunno:

I doubt hes a child rapist, if thats what you mean.

[marinello59]

I cant see the link, but if its the 'they were all queuing up to be abused, which of course I was happy to do' thing, I think thats more down to his self deprecating sense of humour than anything else. I heard him say that on Desert Island Discs and in the context I thought it was funny.

Doesn't your remark here illustrate the point she is making, that some 'celebs' are cut more slack than others. If Jimmy Saville had said that would your reaction be the same? I think it is fair comment.
Don't get me wrong though. As Burchill gets older her utterings get more and more insane. I generally can't read her stuff without getting angry. She isn't far off the mark here though

[hibsbollah]

Doesn't your remark here illustrate the point she is making, that some 'celebs' are cut more slack than others. If Jimmy Saville had said that would your reaction be the same? I think it is fair comment.
Don't get me wrong though. As Burchill gets older her uttering a get more and more insane. I generally can't read her stuff without getting angry. She isn't far off the mark here though

I suppose thats true re-celebs and cutting slack, although you have to take people as you find them. Im sure the original desert island discs that those quotes are from is still available online.

[Beefster]

:dunno:

I doubt hes a child rapist, if thats what you mean.

I don't think consensual sex with a minor exists, technically, so rape or otherwise is irrelevant.

[WeAreHibs]

He has "teenage dreams so hard to beat", on his tombstone.

[hibsbollah]

I don't think consensual sex with a minor exists, technically, so rape or otherwise is irrelevant.

Im not talking about a legal definition, im talking about a moral one. And if you cant grasp that there are different degrees of seriousness within a criminal offence you clearly dont understand law OR morality.

[Beefster]

Im not talking about a legal definition, im talking about a moral one. And if you cant grasp that there are different degrees of seriousness within a criminal offence you clearly dont understand law OR morality.

I don't really want to start debating the relative seriousness of differing types of child abuse.

[hibsbollah]

I don't really want to start debating the relative seriousness of differing types of child abuse.

Good idea, youve not done that well to this point.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I don't really want to start debating the relative seriousness of differing types of child abuse.

I don't think this is the place. I do think that somewhere there has to be some sort of common sense coming to bear on this issue. Currently MAPPA treat a guy that has made lewd remarks to a teenager whilst he was drunk, pretty much the same as the predatory paedophile.

IMO it is this failure to recognise shades of grey that will ultimately lead to attempts to track dangerous sex criminals ineffective. If they don't prioritise their effort, then it stands to reason that - with limited resources - they only have a random chance of being effective.

The other side of the coin is that the net for what could be considered sex crimes becomes ever wider. From what I can see there is a sort of Witchfinder General attitude developing. We are now at the stage where people are starting to take it on themselves to add names to the register retrospectively, even where no criminal conviction has ever been secured.

I won't go into this any further, but it is important that we are as vigilant of our protectors as we are of the people we are protected from. That means being very clear what we want. That in turn means an uncomfortable debate touching on areas that many people find difficult to talk about.

Have we really come that far in 40 years? Yeah society acknowledges a problem, but it's kind of a "famine in China" approach - it's not nice, I don't want to know about it, I want it to go away, do something about it and don't bother me any more.

[Twa Cairpets]

I don't think this is the place. I do think that somewhere there has to be some sort of common sense coming to bear on this issue. Currently MAPPA treat a guy that has made lewd remarks to a teenager whilst he was drunk, pretty much the same as the predatory paedophile.

IMO it is this failure to recognise shades of grey that will ultimately lead to attempts to track dangerous sex criminals ineffective. If they don't prioritise their effort, then it stands to reason that - with limited resources - they only have a random chance of being effective.

The other side of the coin is that the net for what could be considered sex crimes becomes ever wider. From what I can see there is a sort of Witchfinder General attitude developing. We are now at the stage where people are starting to take it on themselves to add names to the register retrospectively, even where no criminal conviction has ever been secured.

I won't go into this any further, but it is important that we are as vigilant of our protectors as we are of the people we are protected from. That means being very clear what we want. That in turn means an uncomfortable debate touching on areas that many people find difficult to talk about.

Have we really come that far in 40 years? Yeah society acknowledges a problem, but it's kind of a "famine in China" approach - it's not nice, I don't want to know about it, I want it to go away, do something about it and don't bother me any more.

No, I don't think that's think true.
I spend a lot of time coaching football to kids of both sexes. The awareness that coaches, clubs, kids and parents have about child protection is streets ahead of what it was even ten years ago. Systems such as Disclosure/PVG certification, while not foolproof, I am sure will have impacted on access to children for those of a predatory nature. It means that something is being done about it.

The willingness to have these things in the open must take away the culture of intimidation and fear surrounding it. It is analogous to society having much less acceptance of domestic violence.

It is vital that the risk is not over-dramatised, creating fear and suspicion where 99.9999999% of interactions between kids and adults are entirely without agenda or risk. However, for those small number of people who are affected, the impact is huge and avoiding brushing it under the carpet does keep people vigilant.

[--------]

No, I don't think that's think true.
I spend a lot of time coaching football to kids of both sexes. The awareness that coaches, clubs, kids and parents have about child protection is streets ahead of what it was even ten years ago. Systems such as Disclosure/PVG certification, while not foolproof, I am sure will have impacted on access to children for those of a predatory nature. It means that something is being done about it.

The willingness to have these things in the open must take away the culture of intimidation and fear surrounding it. It is analogous to society having much less acceptance of domestic violence.

It is vital that the risk is not over-dramatised, creating fear and suspicion where 99.9999999% of interactions between kids and adults are entirely without agenda or risk. However, for those small number of people who are affected, the impact is huge and avoiding brushing it under the carpet does keep people vigilant.


:agree: No one connected in any way with any of our children's or teens' clubs or organisations in the congregation here in the Caldera could have been taken on without going through Disclosure certification, and everyone involved is made very aware of the rules that are in place to protect both the children and the adults - the children from abuse, and the adults from spurious or mischievous accusations. We're also made aware of the signs to recognise when a child is in trouble.

It doesn't work 100% of the time - how can you calculate for the first-time, new offender? - but it means that parents can leave their kids at the Church Hall with a lot more confidence than previously. It also means that there is a statutory obligation on myself and the other office-bearers in the congregation to take people's concerns seriously. We can't any longer turn a blind eye and hope it just goes away.

And that's how it should be.

[Sparky9]

Know this was almost a year ago but, Paedophile!!

[heretoday]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19856081


Former Radio 1 DJ Liz Kershaw has claimed she was groped while broadcasting in the 1980s.

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme she remembered the unnamed presenter fondling her breasts while she was on live radio.


wonder who the nawty boy was ? even in the 80's i'm sure most women would have slapped his coupon for him :dunno: anyway, name and shame Liz

The Kershaw thing is a distraction really. Unfortunately, that groping culture was rife in every office and workplace in the land in those days. Obviously the BBC was no exception. Thankfully, much has been done to eradicate it.

We need to concentrate on the ****bags who were hitting on underage kids.

[LeighLoyal]

He gave a Jim'll Fix it badge to each one, too. Against BBC rules. :rolleyes:

[Beefster]

More allegations against John Peel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216453/John-Peel-got-pregnant-I-15-Woman-claims-month-affair-DJ.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19933274

[hibsbollah]

More allegations against John Peel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216453/John-Peel-got-pregnant-I-15-Woman-claims-month-affair-DJ.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19933274

Oh dear, its the 'Zemmama's marriage is the same as Craig Thomson' beefster parallel back again. Read that Mail article and read some of the Saville rape stories and try to argue youre talking about comparable scenarios.

Back to the OP...Have I got news for you just had some stunning footage of Saville on an old.episode saying he 'took whatever he could get his hands on' in his caravan. Shameless and supremely confident of his untouchability. Graham Linehan and Hislop on good form, I liked the exposong of the Daily Mails double standards as well.

[Hibs Class]

The Kershaw thing is a distraction really. Unfortunately, that groping culture was rife in every office and workplace in the land in those days. Obviously the BBC was no exception. Thankfully, much has been done to eradicate it.

We need to concentrate on the ****bags who were hitting on underage kids.

Sorry but that is pish. There may have been more instances of it in the 80s than now but I started working the 80s and if I'd groped anyone I worked with even then I'd have been fired the same day.

[Beefster]

Oh dear, its the 'Zemmama's marriage is the same as Craig Thomson' beefster parallel back again. Read that Mail article and read some of the Saville rape stories and try to argue youre talking about comparable scenarios.

I know you've got a man-crush on Peel and don't like folk posting any links/comments that are not positively glowing about him but...

You'll note that I didn't comment on the further allegations against Peel but at what point did I compare Peel to Saville? The fact that Saville was a total predator who seems to have abused kids of all ages doesn't diminish the allegations against Peel in any way IMHO. Arguing otherwise would be a bit like arguing that someone who beats the **** out of their missus isn't that bad because some other guy murdered his wife.

I've no idea what you're rambling on about with Zemmama's marriage though.

[hibsbollah]

I know you've got a man-crush on Peel and don't like folk posting any links/comments that are not positively glowing about him but...

You'll note that I didn't comment on the further allegations against Peel but at what point did I compare Peel to Saville? The fact that Saville was a total predator who seems to have abused kids of all ages doesn't diminish the allegations against Peel in any way IMHO. Arguing otherwise would be a bit like arguing that someone who beats the **** out of their missus isn't that bad because some other guy murdered his wife.

I've no idea what you're rambling on about with Zemmama's marriage though.

Man-crush? Fan-boi?
:hilarious

You must really start using vocab befitting your age. Or stop your wee brother using your account. Dont be disingenuous, youre obviously comparing Peel and Saville because youre posting about one story on a thread about another story. I know you like a bit of fishing, but try being honest eh?

[wpj]

Oh dear, its the 'Zemmama's marriage is the same as Craig Thomson' beefster parallel back again. Read that Mail article and read some of the Saville rape stories and try to argue youre talking about comparable scenarios.

Back to the OP...Have I got news for you just had some stunning footage of Saville on an old.episode saying he 'took whatever he could get his hands on' in his caravan. Shameless and supremely confident of his untouchability. Graham Linehan and Hislop on good form, I liked the exposong of the Daily Mails double standards as well.

That was quite a surreal part of the show, I'm sure the mail will be looking for payback for that

[hibsbollah]

That was quite a surreal part of the show, I'm sure the mail will be looking for payback for that

Along with the EU and asylum seekers, the BBC has always been top of the The Daily Mail's most hated list, hence their current feeding frenzy. Obviously an editorial decision from HIGNFY to fight back, and its a fair target really; the mail cant be publishing candid shots of a 14 yo by the pool, referring to her age with 'racy' text alongside it and then claim some kind of moral high ground.

[Beefster]

youre obviously comparing Peel and Saville because youre posting about one story on a thread about another story. I know you like a bit of fishing, but try being honest eh?

I posted it on this thread because I thought it was relevant that other DJs/celebrities of that era were being dragged into the scandal and were mentioned in the same articles as Saville. I thought that was pretty obvious.

By the way, you need to tell me what words I'm allowed to use because 'man-crush' and 'fan-boi' have been about since I was a youngster. Innit.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What exactly are the allegations against John Peel at the moment? I heard something on the news about a fifteen year old girl. How old was he at the time, and what were the circumstances?

John Peel a nonce? Surely not :no way:

[Haymaker]

What exactly are the allegations against John Peel at the moment? I heard something on the news about a fifteen year old girl. How old was he at the time, and what were the circumstances?

John Peel a nonce? Surely not :no way:


He married a 15 year old apparently. Now, AFAIK he did so in America where some states this was/is legal, if he married her in such a state he is therefore - not a nonce. Some states, such as New York, you can be married at 15/16 with parental consent. Some states allow lower then 16 with court approval.

However there are other allegations, comments and so on that suggest he may have been doing other things too.

[lapsedhibee]

He married a 15 year old apparently. Now, AFAIK he did so in America where some states this was/is legal, if he married her in such a state he is therefore - not a nonce. Some states, such as New York, you can be married at 15/16 with parental consent. Some states allow lower then 16 with court approval.

However there are other allegations, comments and so on that suggest he may have been doing other things too.

Is every rock star who ever romanced a groupie going to be brought into this too? I can't imagine that many lead guitarists would have asked to see birth certificates first.

[RyeSloan]

:agree: No one connected in any way with any of our children's or teens' clubs or organisations in the congregation here in the Caldera could have been taken on without going through Disclosure certification, and everyone involved is made very aware of the rules that are in place to protect both the children and the adults - the children from abuse, and the adults from spurious or mischievous accusations. We're also made aware of the signs to recognise when a child is in trouble.

It doesn't work 100% of the time - how can you calculate for the first-time, new offender? - but it means that parents can leave their kids at the Church Hall with a lot more confidence than previously. It also means that there is a statutory obligation on myself and the other office-bearers in the congregation to take people's concerns seriously. We can't any longer turn a blind eye and hope it just goes away.

And that's how it should be.


Careful Doddie you are in danger of suggesting that as a society we actually have progressed in the last 200 years :wink:

On a more serious note I agree this is not a problem that has been ignored and some substantial steps have been taken to protect children in this respect....sadly that cannot remove the problem but to suggest the issue of abuse and child abuse in particular has been subject to a 'famine in China' approach in not an accurate representation I would suggest.