Theresa May

[Future17]

Worrying that the Home Secretary can be incompetent or ill-informed regards matters relating to her job. Hardly a good basis on which to be lecturing others on immigration issues and human rights legislation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15160326

:rolleyes:

[Jack]

Too close to the fat cats.

[Hiber-nation]

Don't you just love the way the words "illegal immigrant" trip off her tongue in exactly the same way that "rapist" or "peadophile" would.

[steakbake]

Idiot.

If the immigration rules she presides over weren't so impenetrably stupid, things might work better.

[lucky]

If Cameron has any scruples he will dump her. But we know he hasn't and won't

[bighairyfaeleith]

I'd like to say I'm shocked, but....

[hibsbollah]

An antidote to the Tory Party conference and the Daily Mail. The HRC is a good thing.

http://blogs.amnesty.org.uk/blogs_entry.asp?eid=7953&utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=SWHR&utm_content=blogHRA031011

[Future17]

An antidote to the Tory Party conference and the Daily Mail. The HRC is a good thing.

http://blogs.amnesty.org.uk/blogs_entry.asp?eid=7953&utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=SWHR&utm_content=blogHRA031011

Some scary folk amongst the comments on that blog posting.

[One Day Soon]

I watched her speech and thought to myself "What would Theresa May look like naked?". Just morbid curiosity. It did not take me to a happy place.

Anyway, I'm sure that the Liberal Democrats feel proud of themselves propping this mob up as their worst xenophobic tendencies are given a nice conference outing and their excessive hairshirt economic policy drives us back into recession.

[Twa Cairpets]

I watched her speech and thought to myself "What would Theresa May look like naked?". Just morbid curiosity. It did not take me to a happy place.

Anyway, I'm sure that the Liberal Democrats feel proud of themselves propping this mob up as their worst xenophobic tendencies are given a nice conference outing and their excessive hairshirt economic policy drives us back into recession.

Why? Why would you do that? I've just looked too and I need to go and scrub my brain with wire wool to lose the image. And it's your fault. You *******.

[One Day Soon]

Why? Why would you do that? I've just looked too and I need to go and scrub my brain with wire wool to lose the image. And it's your fault. You *******.

I know. I'm sorry about that. It happens with other people too. It's not good. Try Prescott, Salmond, Feltz and McCririck. Make it stop.

[Hibs Class]

I know. I'm sorry about that. It happens with other people too. It's not good. Try Prescott, Salmond, Feltz and McCririck. Make it stop.

All at the same time? :shocked: I'm not sure who I'd feel most sorry for in that foursome.

[greenlex]

Samantha Cameron. yes or no?

[greenlex]

Samantha Cameron. yes or no? Just me then? :greengrin

[Bayern Bru]

Samantha Cameron. yes or no?

Only if I got pissed on the Harvey Nick's champagne (that I wasn't supposed to buy in the first place) beforehand.

[Dashing Bob S]

Nutjob. Scary to think of that posh old dragon and her ilk running the country.

[One Day Soon]

Nutjob. Scary to think of that posh old dragon and her ilk running the country.

Actually reminded me of the Little Britain sketch with the old bat who keeps vomiting whenever anyone mentions or suggests black people, poor people or anything else generally not 'upper class'.

[steakbake]

Fox is getting his comeuppance. In public it's all very supportive but the Cameron v Fox showdown is the frontline in Cameron's fight with the right of his party.

Clarke will be similarly sidelined for criticising May.

[One Day Soon]

Fox is getting his comeuppance. In public it's all very supportive but the Cameron v Fox showdown is the frontline in Cameron's fight with the right of his party.

Clarke will be similarly sidelined for criticising May.

Interesting. I hadn't picked up on that. The Tory right wing does revenge eaten cold better than almost anyone else. If he manages to fillet or just neuter Fox and Clarke they will not forgive it.

[Hibs Class]

Actually reminded me of the Little Britain sketch with the old bat who keeps vomiting whenever anyone mentions or suggests black people, poor people or anything else generally not 'upper class'. I watched Harriet Harman on Andrew Marr's programne this morning and thought that there was very little difference between her and May. Both devoid of any originality and both little more than predictable indignant soundbites.

[steakbake]

I watched Harriet Harman on Andrew Marr's programne this morning and thought that there was very little difference between her and May. Both devoid of any originality and both little more than predictable indignant soundbites.

I think like football management in Scotland, it's pretty much a revolving door. If not of the same old faces, but the same soundbites. The vast majority of politicians play karaoke to the tabloid's favourite tunes. The colours and parties change, but the record, I'm afraid, often has a familiar ring to it.

[One Day Soon]

I think like football management in Scotland, it's pretty much a revolving door. If not of the same old faces, but the same soundbites. The vast majority of politicians play karaoke to the tabloid's favourite tunes. The colours and parties change, but the record, I'm afraid, often has a familiar ring to it.

Just so. Harman is just terrible. The worst kind of preachy holier than thou type.

I think the current generations of politicians both sides of the border and of all parties are pretty third rate. I worry that the politicians are incapable of relating to the electorate in either language or ideas and that the electorate are so crap at being engaged in politics and political ideas that they enable the politicians to continue to be useless.

In the age we are living through and the scope of the challenges faced, spin politicians instead of substance will get our futures screwed.

[steakbake]

Just so. Harman is just terrible. The worst kind of preachy holier than thou type.

I think the current generations of politicians both sides of the border and of all parties are pretty third rate. I worry that the politicians are incapable of relating to the electorate in either language or ideas and that the electorate are so crap at being engaged in politics and political ideas that they enable the politicians to continue to be useless.

In the age we are living through and the scope of the challenges faced, spin politicians instead of substance will get our futures screwed.

Yes, we are limited by the people who run us - and I would agree on both sides of the border.

Part of the problem to me anyway, seems to be the "professionalisation" of politics. The continual churn of ambitious party members who become party apparatchiks who become researchers who become advisers who become candidates who become MPs who become ministers and recently, Prime Ministers. The pursuit of self-interest through self-aggrandising, self-delusion and ultimately, held in place by self-preservation and self-righteousness. Come the revolution, they'll be first against the wall! :wink:

I don't know who said it (I think it might be Orwell) but it goes along the lines of: the very last people who should hold high office are those who actually want to be there in the first place.

[One Day Soon]

Yes, we are limited by the people who run us - and I would agree on both sides of the border.

Part of the problem to me anyway, seems to be the "professionalisation" of politics. The continual churn of ambitious party members who become party apparatchiks who become researchers who become advisers who become candidates who become MPs who become ministers and recently, Prime Ministers. The pursuit of self-interest through self-aggrandising, self-delusion and ultimately, held in place by self-preservation and self-righteousness. Come the revolution, they'll be first against the wall! :wink:

I don't know who said it (I think it might be Orwell) but it goes along the lines of: the very last people who should hold high office are those who actually want to be there in the first place.

Yup, exactly right. All parties guilty of that. It's like a religious sect comes to town whenever the conferences take place these days. Gangs of monotonously identical yes men and women mouthing the party platitudes and expecting people to be taken in. No wonder so few people either trust or are interested in politics these days.

I see that Fox has Jim Murphy on his tail now. He should survive then.

[hibsbollah]

No wonder so few people either trust or are interested in politics these days.



An excellent programme on just now about this very subject. Alastair Campbell and David Blunkett in particular spoke very well...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015n05j

Prof Matthew Flinders questions the drive to decry politics and exclude politicians from certain decisions. He explores the obstacles for those who might want a career in politics. And he argues that politics is a force for good.
Interviewees include Tony Blair, Boris Johnson, John Bercow, John Redwood, William Waldegrave and Alastair Campbell.
Matthew Flinders is Professor of Politics at Sheffield University. This is the third part of his series in which he presents his personal viewpoint challenging political cynicism and defending the role of politics in our society.
Producer: Martin Rosenbaum.

[One Day Soon]

An excellent programme on just now about this very subject. Alastair Campbell and David Blunkett in particular spoke very well...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015n05j

Prof Matthew Flinders questions the drive to decry politics and exclude politicians from certain decisions. He explores the obstacles for those who might want a career in politics. And he argues that politics is a force for good.
Interviewees include Tony Blair, Boris Johnson, John Bercow, John Redwood, William Waldegrave and Alastair Campbell.
Matthew Flinders is Professor of Politics at Sheffield University. This is the third part of his series in which he presents his personal viewpoint challenging political cynicism and defending the role of politics in our society.
Producer: Martin Rosenbaum.

Pretty much everything is politics. Get rid of the politicians and the people who replace them to run the country become...........politicians. Its not the business of politics that's the problem, its the people and parties feeding the political system that let us down.

[hibsbollah]

Pretty much everything is politics. Get rid of the politicians and the people who replace them to run the country become...........politicians. Its not the business of politics that's the problem, its the people and parties feeding the political system that let us down.

The programme is more about the unwillingness of talented, mostly young, people to enter politics because its now seen as deeply undesireable.

[One Day Soon]

The programme is more about the unwillingness of talented, mostly young, people to enter politics because its now seen as deeply undesireable.

No wonder. Look at their role models and what the media tells them is valuable and important. If Skidelsky is right in the New Statesman then the shock that may be coming is the only thing that will reintroduce proper politics and if it does it will make politicians of everyone.

[hibsbollah]

No wonder. Look at their role models and what the media tells them is valuable and important. If Skidelsky is right in the New Statesman then the shock that may be coming is the only thing that will reintroduce proper politics and if it does it will make politicians of everyone.

Quite so, although id hesitate to blame the professional media cynic industry (I find Ian Hislop deeply funny but he doesnt do much for the citizenship syllabus) any more than the politicians' own behaviour in recent times for the collapse in respect and deference the public has for politicians.

I didnt read the NS article but id imagine it will be what Krugman and the other Keynesians have been saying since 2008...deficit reduction won't work without growth stimuli, or 'you can't accelerate when theres no gas in the tank'. Krugman thinks we are doomed to stagnate for at least 20 years.

[One Day Soon]

Quite so, although id hesitate to blame the professional media cynic industry (I find Ian Hislop deeply funny but he doesnt do much for the citizenship syllabus) any more than the politicians' own behaviour in recent times for the collapse in respect and deference the public has for politicians.

I didnt read the NS article but id imagine it will be what Krugman and the other Keynesians have been saying since 2008...deficit reduction won't work without growth stimuli, or 'you can't accelerate when theres no gas in the tank'. Krugman thinks we are doomed to stagnate for at least 20 years.

No it's much gloomier than that. Protectionism, war and societal political breakdown. That sort of thing.

[Dashing Bob S]

I watched Harriet Harman on Andrew Marr's programne this morning and thought that there was very little difference between her and May. Both devoid of any originality and both little more than predictable indignant soundbites.

Agreed. I find this woman so painfully exasperating. At least as obnoxious as May in her own way.